I've thought about this a couple times but in the end deemed its probs not viable just cuz you lose your wards for a good 6-10 min mid game. On top of that when you sell your item you lose a ton of stats making yourself weaker. Its kinda playing for the late game and screwing your mid game as a trade off. Maybe cuz I play snowball champs and tempos plays scaling champs is why it doesn't feel good to me tho who knows. Great video tho and like how you show "the math" part
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Dog! Your insight is always valuable. It's true the strat feels a little bad for midgame and sometimes, especially at high elo as you know, games don't even make it to late. So there is a lot of judgment that goes into it. I should've went even deeper in the math, but, I'm glad you liked that section
@dieminestinkt
Жыл бұрын
probably could get away with a level 13 switcharoo into an objective. get sight stone for red wards prep vision then recall into new support item before fighting over objective.
@ErreGamer
2 жыл бұрын
xerath + first strike + change item, I think that's gonna be meta for sure
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys some other notes here also: - You can do this multiple times in a game with other support items as long as you don't rebuy one you've already stacked - Wolvrene did mention in his tweet that it's best to try to make the switch right after important objectives go down to mitigate vision loss - I love you
@Aventrixmusic
Жыл бұрын
you can buy a vigilant wardstone and fill it with control wards and it lets you place 2 control wards at once, also Cosmic Insight and Ingenious hunter reduces your trinket cooldown since oracle lens, farsight, and stealth ward, count as items. Also you can take zombie ward to get wards up.
@Blueamin1
2 жыл бұрын
As a Support OTP I miss one specific info which should be talked about. Whenever you have a Support Item you always generate your "2 Gold Per 10 Second" which also heavily plays into your hands. I think going with Spellthief first is probably the better way but also shows me that Enchanter/Poke/Mage Supports still priotize heavily as Supports. Tank Supps are suffering more and more but the Strategy is viable. Gonna do some test rounds and share my experiences later. :)
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. And with the nerfs to farming with support items, tank supps who build relic shield or steel shoulderguards have a harder time getting more income if they farm even a little bit. So I do think the best way to go for this strat is buying spellthiefs or sickle and then moving to a minion stacking item. Let me know how it goes for you!
@lemingtai3747
2 жыл бұрын
"To disincentivize players from building support items in solo lanes, the penalty for farming minions will be more intense in the early stages of the game, with players only allowed to farm two minions per minute during the first five minutes of the game while in possession of a support item in Patch 12.4. Additionally, bounties gained based on minion kills will be based on the number of items on each team that generate passive gold" You are robbing your whole team's bounty income just because you are making more passive money
@christiaanhastings7799
2 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, I think the “based on the number of items on each team that generate passive gold” refers to how many support items exist at one time on your team - in other words, it’s to stop Janna top lane from buying a support item too. You should be fine if you sell your old support item and buy a new one, because there is still just one “passive gold generation item” on your team. …unless you’re talking about doing this in the non-support role, in which case you are completely correct, and should ignore me :)
@lemingtai3747
2 жыл бұрын
@@christiaanhastings7799 he tried to run support item in the top lane in the latter part of the video so yes it's about that
@GoldenBerry33
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think buying a supp item twice is worth it because ur basically trading vision for money while vision is money. When you have vision you can see them and kill them or at least not die to them because you can get out of trouble in time. With no vision, yea you may have a lot of money, but you and your team are more prone to get killed so... it's not worth it in my opinion.
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
I am a vision lover as well and I can definitely agree with your points. Good take
@GoldenBerry33
2 жыл бұрын
@@BCawk he he, thank you 😊
@kromtastic
2 жыл бұрын
There are a few supports that can use this strat though. They are usually ones (offmetas) with their own versions of vision control, such as Nidalee traps, Heimerdinger turrets, Shaco boxes, Maokai seeds, Teemo shrooms (the ultimate vision), etc. They can supplement the vision and they (especially heimer, shaco and teemo) become ungodly with both liandry's and demon embrace. Quicker u get, quicker u win
@GoldenBerry33
2 жыл бұрын
@@kromtastic hmmm, you may be right if I come to think about this. If you have other forms of vision, this strategy can work for sure. Great poin 😎
@christiaanhastings7799
2 жыл бұрын
Taking the idea of “alternative vision champs” further, I think Zyra is hidden OP as far as vision control goes - her “wards” don’t last too long (8 sec) but they’re also on an extremely short CD, plus she gets massive value out of items, especially since her wards deal damage too xD I also think that umbral glaive users will have a better time with this, as they can just swap back to trinket ward and use glaive as their sweeper. Thinking specifically about Pyke and Senna here.
@medch7816
2 жыл бұрын
Such interesting 'stonks' strat , It will be really helpful with Poppy or anivia so they can reach their potentiel quickly cuz you know as anivia mid or poppy jungle you earn so much more than a supp , it'll may be a good solution to the poorness !
@boobs-butt
Жыл бұрын
I did this with a friend more than year and half ago as Garen/Darius combo on bot. Guess it blew up after we spammed it quite a few times :D
@DrSlobGoblin
2 жыл бұрын
Just tried this as Veigar support, which wouldn't have the fastest Spellthief stacking in-lane, and I feel fairly confident Relic/Shoulder in lane into Spellthief/Sickle post-lane is the way to go. In-lane, ADCs generally let you hit your Relic/Shoulder stacks (particularly cannon), and post-lane the others reward you for doing what you're already trying to do in damage the enemy/towers. The mid-game vision slump does feel somewhat bad but I still managed a 47 vision score.
@dieminestinkt
Жыл бұрын
tripple funnel yi strat! both bot laners buy support item. share lane farm and give excess gold to jungle yi ! Then one stacks new support item and when new support item is at 500 the other may drop his support item to farm unpenalized.
@georgea3656
2 жыл бұрын
I think I would only do this in a game where we find ourselves behind and the enemy take an early (pre-20) inhib, so that you can proc the execute on the super minions
@vargot
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it is worth it - it might be good in some games, but it is very inconsistent and dependant on your team and enemy team, which is not the best for solo q. It should also be taken into account that Shard of True ice (or any fully upgraded support item) gives 3 gold per 10 seconds, and is also activating your mythic passive, both of which and the wards you will have to give up for this strat. So, is 3 gold per 10 seconds + mythic passive + a ton of vision worth giving up for another 1,000 gold? I don't think it is.
@ThisDonut
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Plus delicious tier 3 support item stats.
@vargot
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThisDonut true. Ap, health AND mana regeneration? Not worth it
@Rishkar-Peema-Pants
2 жыл бұрын
When you're playing pyke you don't have to worry about gold :)
@Rishkar-Peema-Pants
2 жыл бұрын
Nvm.....
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
LOL you're a legend for coming back and replying to this
@Ginnetix
2 жыл бұрын
Reduced gold from creeps if you have support item
@mando7246
2 жыл бұрын
But I mean, what about the wards? 😂🤔
@haileyavnukov5902
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! GreaT video!
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Victorvonbass
2 жыл бұрын
I sometimes buy steel shoulderguards or relic in top if I am really far behind to help get back in the game a bit since as a tank I know I'm not getting cs after lane ends. Cool strategy. I'll have to try it more as supp. Not sure if it's worth the loss of wards though.
@AngieBambi21
2 жыл бұрын
Good info!
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@biveofhalo
2 жыл бұрын
you lose a mythic passive and spellthief is broken
@kromtastic
2 жыл бұрын
I do Rakan in top and mid if by some miracle I get stuck there instead of support. His trades are $$$$$ especially if you have electrocute. I even grab a relic shield with it and can shove wave with jg when they come gank my lane, then roam like a psychopath birdman. In fact I made a new account to strictly play Rakan (since my friends still force me to adc on my other account)
@DrSlobGoblin
2 жыл бұрын
If your team has two support items, they won't be able to get objective bounty gold. You're gambling come-back mechanics for a snowball though there may be something to your jungler getting extra lane-gold and experience.
@khanadian
2 жыл бұрын
could work on fiddlesticks
@blazeoff3862
2 жыл бұрын
I tried that long ago but my ass team cries so hard, im the only one warding. Though that was kinda late in the game about 30 mins exchange .
@ghostlyashley6195
2 жыл бұрын
The first support item also costs 400 gold it's not free... so it's not 2000 gold it's 1360* not 1760
@ghostlyashley6195
2 жыл бұрын
@@minzentzug9200 yes, you still spent 800 gold tho... also you're recieving 30% less gold from the per second gold while your support item is on lvl 1, so that's a thing too.
@MrOwner09
Жыл бұрын
still works :D
@learnedeldersofteemo8917
2 жыл бұрын
INTeresting
@lucasconde6427
2 жыл бұрын
❤🔥
@handsoap1097
2 жыл бұрын
just a clickbait title nice :)
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Hey! You right, it's definitely clickbaity. In essence I was just quoting the tweets though 😉. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to turn into THAT kind of KZitemr, I'll do better
@thepois88
2 жыл бұрын
@@BCawk chill, well done
@LouSipher
2 жыл бұрын
The tip was to use the minion stacking support item and you used spellthiefs lol. The cannons are what made the strat viable.
@BCawk
2 жыл бұрын
Yoyo Chris. You right he did mention minion stacking, but, I find I'm faster stacking spellthiefs so I thought that's be the best test! It does work with any support item!
@LouSipher
2 жыл бұрын
@@BCawk Ah my bad, I watched this half asleep lol. Thanks for the videos!
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