Wait until Universal hears about the letters "b, d, p, q"
@Rybus1
2 ай бұрын
Naaah, just glue em all together: ф
@LucasFonsecaMartins
2 ай бұрын
Or I and l 😂
@glockenrein
2 ай бұрын
M and W. 😂
@mikelytou
2 ай бұрын
Meanwhile Arabic: We want the same letter to look different depending on if it's at the start, the middle or ending of a word, and another look for when it's isolated. Also, the differences must be unidentifiable for people with slightly bad eyesight. Moreover, since we want as few people as possible to read & write, let's make sure they need a talent for art in order to write and to deter even those, let's write from right to left so that the right handed majority will smear what they wrote.
@wokenlunatic2849
2 ай бұрын
Or S and Z (they short of close, also o 0)
@Lyllian82
2 ай бұрын
"I hate my job." Don't we all sometimes...?
@akashgiri4377
2 ай бұрын
Not sometimes, most of the times
@GodMaxDrinkerofTea
2 ай бұрын
I got no Job to hate until August, instead, I just hate everything equally
@X4R80
2 ай бұрын
@@akashgiri4377maybe consider getting a new one?
@urhypeboy
26 күн бұрын
No one likes to work.
@GodMaxDrinkerofTea
26 күн бұрын
@@urhypeboy not true, a lot of people love working, otherwise hobbies wouldn't exist, they are also work
@igmali2363
2 ай бұрын
"I want 9 to be 6 from behind" 😮😮😮
@barrymanning4861
2 ай бұрын
I wonder if that was on purpose
@danrazART
2 ай бұрын
@@barrymanning4861of course! 😅
@priyankadebnath7936
2 ай бұрын
69
@nadinem599
2 ай бұрын
😂😂 my gutter mind caught that real quick
@mauer1
2 ай бұрын
69
@grahamh.4230
2 ай бұрын
“I want 6 from behind” 7 ate 9, but 6 ate out 9
@momsaccount4033
2 ай бұрын
Oh my.. is it just me or is it getting hot in here?~
@TELofficial
2 ай бұрын
Oh hell nah
@rodrigoqteixeira
2 ай бұрын
Oh, wait, it got too far 💀
@FrictionHeat143
2 ай бұрын
Friction has commenced
@FrictionHeat143
2 ай бұрын
If you know you know
@jeffreyhe1470
2 ай бұрын
zero: "I'm I a joke to you?" zero: "oh right, you're not smart enough to know I exist yet."
@BetaDude40
Ай бұрын
Zero: "Guess you guys aren't ready for that yet… but your kids are gonna love it"
@Anonymous-sb9rr
Ай бұрын
We'll just use the letter o and say it means zero.
@zm_headhunter
Ай бұрын
Well the Arabic numerals have come out centuries after the zero was discovered
@sumbodee3
14 күн бұрын
But zero doesn't confuse and never distorts no matter the rotation
@Darur1308
12 күн бұрын
@@sumbodee3it does, with o
@dxjxc91
2 ай бұрын
I blame French. I'm sure he was involved somehow...
@Redfork2000
2 ай бұрын
Nah, he's probably busy coming up with a convoluted way to say 70, 80 and 90.
@GengUpinIpin
Ай бұрын
You skipped your Duolingo didnt you?
@somarushinde1704
Ай бұрын
Numbers are Arabic
@rodrigovillegas2263
Ай бұрын
@@somarushinde1704yeah, came here to say that.
@christineheminger7762
Ай бұрын
Had the same thought 😄
@warriorbard
2 ай бұрын
He was trying sooo hard not to throw in a 69 joke. You could practically see the word on the tip of his tongue. 🤣🤣🤣
@krankarvolund7771
2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure 9 is a 6 from behind is a 69 joke :p
@TheBassManBoy
2 ай бұрын
A true test of restraint
@urhypeboy
26 күн бұрын
Not everyone is prverted like u
@urhypeboy
26 күн бұрын
Not everyone is dirty minded like u
@urhypeboy
26 күн бұрын
Not everyone is into dirty jokes
@ileahoward9426
2 ай бұрын
One of the options was seven upside down anyway😂
@TheJourneyTo-Me
2 ай бұрын
Seen it too 😂
@TheJourneyTo-Me
2 ай бұрын
And the eight it self …. just with additional circle 😂😂😂🤣
@1Kekz
2 ай бұрын
No, it's not upside down, it's actually flipped. That's a huge difference because that way you can't confuse them so easily.
@louisrobitaille5810
2 ай бұрын
@@1Kekz That's like saying 'b' and 'd' would be easier to tell apart than 'b' and 'p'. When it's something new, they're just as hard to tell apart, no matter if they're flipped or upside down.
@1Kekz
2 ай бұрын
@@louisrobitaille5810 The reason why 6 and 9 are so easy to confuse is because if you hold them upside down (which can easily happen on game cards or dice with numbers) they look alike. With something that's just flipped, that can't happen so easily.
@Army_Dog
2 ай бұрын
And this is why people add a line under the number to avoid confusion
@nnh4551
2 ай бұрын
But this might not be needed
@Army_Dog
2 ай бұрын
@@nnh4551 what?
@poppers7317
2 ай бұрын
never seen someone add a line
@nnh4551
2 ай бұрын
Adding a line under the number
@nnh4551
2 ай бұрын
In addition, we normally don't do that in most cases
@Levitatingmarsipan
2 ай бұрын
This is made even better by the fact that the Swedish word for 6 (six) is “sex”, sex (not the number) is also the name for sex in Swedish (and of course in English). So him really liking 6 has a whole new meaning now
@Normal_user_coniven
2 ай бұрын
yeah. Why Germanic languages pick similar names for these 2 different things?
@PhoenixInFirestadium
2 ай бұрын
That just reminded me on a story from my childhood. Next to our elementary school was secondary school and a phone booth and I guess some teenage kid vandalized it and wrote the word "sex" on it. Me as a kid not knowing what that was just thought in like a know-it-all manner "that's totally spelt wrong, it's spelled 's e c h s' (german for six)" and that some stupid elementary kid paid no attention in school. This memory comes back every few years and I don't know why little miss know-it-all me haunts me that much. 😂😂
@GuitarsRockForever
2 ай бұрын
That will be confusing. Now something else: with certain accent (eg. NZ), six is pronounced as sex, and sex is pronounced as six.
@user-ci7wi4kp4z
2 ай бұрын
I wish I wasn’t saw it
@Levitatingmarsipan
2 ай бұрын
@@Normal_user_coniven honestly we don’t know either
@dominikbeitat4450
2 ай бұрын
My grandparents had a clock where the 7 was an upside down 2, so, could be worse.
@akube5605
Ай бұрын
forget universal, we've got numerversal
@andrewrobinson2565
2 ай бұрын
🇨🇵 We need a line through 7. I learned this when a bank transfer for 70.000 French francs from England ended up as 10.000 French francs in my account in 1989. 😮
@PlayItAgainTubeSam
2 ай бұрын
Auch! I always use a line through 7 when writing. Just to be clear. For same reason ppl should use it for a zero to distinguish from a big o (Ø - O) And then there are in some lettertypes almost no difference between an l an a big i ( l - I )
@andrewrobinson2565
2 ай бұрын
@@PlayItAgainTubeSam I hear you 👍.
@samuelahibo339
2 ай бұрын
@@PlayItAgainTubeSam Actually those are all different when written in french, And instead of the 0 with line, we actually write big O (and even small o) with a kind of horizontal curved line in the circle You could do some research about French handwriting if u want
@jamesreed3006
Ай бұрын
There is actually a correct way to write each number which is the number of angles in the number is equal to the value of the number. The method for 7 and 9 is weird but the rest are cool.
@andrewrobinson2565
Ай бұрын
@@samuelahibo339 Interesting 🤔. I haven't heard that one and I'm French and seem to get along fine 👍.
@4theLifeOfTae
2 ай бұрын
From the Alphabet to numbers there's no stopping 😅
@ionutznecro
2 ай бұрын
If Elijah Wood and Joaquin Phoenix had a baby, it would look just like this guy.
@urhypeboy
26 күн бұрын
Nah, he's not beautiful enough to be their baby.
@ElderSteak5
2 ай бұрын
“I love six” 💀
@vladsydorenko
Ай бұрын
loooooove six
@justiceleague5431
2 ай бұрын
And thats how 69 was born
@TareqAstroPhoton
2 ай бұрын
is porn you mean
@poppers7317
2 ай бұрын
nice
@likithsolasa
2 ай бұрын
Keep the likes at the good number
@Muksss
2 ай бұрын
"Six from behind" 😭😭😭😭
@_B1A
2 ай бұрын
we have to talk about how 6 was named "six"
@wassentme1891
2 ай бұрын
I can definitely see Ryan George popping into "Six is great", "Good from all angles", "Six is even better with friends", etc. And the inevitable "nice" when he first writes 6 and 9 together.
@felipevasconcelos6736
2 ай бұрын
From Proto-Indo-European *swécs, with no relation to sex (which comes from *séksus via Latin and French)
@personperson.7744
2 ай бұрын
@@wassentme1891six is great I decided
@sutash9043
2 ай бұрын
🤣🤣 definitely intersting conversation
@sutash9043
2 ай бұрын
Hmm, makes me wonder why he insisted on flipping 6 to make 9. He probably loooves seeing those next to each other 🤣🤣
@amberv9424
2 ай бұрын
My phone battery is at exactly 69% right now 😂
@Delibro
24 күн бұрын
Are you having 52 subscribers cus of this comment? :DD
@amberv9424
24 күн бұрын
@@Delibro no they came over a long period one by one. Why? I don't know. I don't even have any videos. I just get a new subscriber every so often. Probably from my picture I guess
@Delibro
24 күн бұрын
@@amberv9424 Ok, that's what I thought, no videos, so maybe from your comment :) Yea, likely its your picture :)
@bokatummtukote
2 ай бұрын
shall we just stop for a moment, truly appreciating from head to toes, how talented Loic is, scripting and filming all his 60 second shorts with such a perfect flow, playing all characters himself!!
@U.K.N
2 ай бұрын
NO , I HATE THESE NERDY COMMENTS
@dabbyleemiller
2 ай бұрын
@@U.K.NI just want to appreciate, head to toe, how genuine and honest your comment is and I think we should all take a moment to appreciate you ❤
@jonamonstera
2 ай бұрын
Also French: „4x20“ (80)
@samuraireid
2 ай бұрын
(Just from a common mistake a find on English learning subreddits) are you perhaps learning English?
@temp1851
2 ай бұрын
When we learnt numbers in schools, it used to have a straight line instead of a curved one.
@influx8450
2 ай бұрын
That first 9 design looks like Gimel in cursive
@MiguelQ
2 ай бұрын
There are even slightly different ways to write numbers. Some people write the 1 as a simple line others add "half a roof". Some write the 7 as like an upside down L, while others add a little cross line to it.
@marcos.e.herlein1986
2 ай бұрын
Same with the four, using "4" or the other that looks like an inverted chair seen from the side..
@MrNyathi1
2 ай бұрын
Those fancy forms help prevent ambiguity. A simple 7 looks too much like a "half roof" 1, and a simple one looks too much like a capital I. The number 0 and letter O also look too similar: I slash the number when writing.
@marcos.e.herlein1986
2 ай бұрын
@@MrNyathi1 I've seen it before with the 0. A co-worker used to do it.
@DharokHardOn
2 ай бұрын
@@MrNyathi1definitely going to start doing the same, coworkers will be furious when I figure out ways to add a slash to 2 and 5
@krankarvolund7771
2 ай бұрын
I write 1 with a little foot personally. It's an habit I took I don't know when, but it's more confusing because when I write quickly the little foot can become a bar on the middle and I wrote a 7 XD
@SovietReunionYT
2 ай бұрын
Other notable problems, specific to handwriting: 1 and 2 are easily miswritten looking like 7 3 and 5 are easily miswritten looking like 8 6 and 9 are extremely easily miswritten as 8 5 is extremely easily miswritten as 6 Frankly I'm amazed there isnt an epidemic of accidental prescription medication overdoses given doctors' handwriting. I imagine 80% of pharmacists' training is spent learning how to decipher handwritten prescriptions.
@irne2847
26 күн бұрын
The way we were taught to write 1, 2 and 7 was actually done in such a way that all 3 of those looked nothing like each other. 2 had a wavy bottom part, 7 had a wavy top part and a bar through the middle of it. 1 just looks like the 1 I’m typing right now. 5 also had a wavy top part, so it wouldn’t look like a 6 even if you somehow closed the bottom part into a circle by accident, and would never look like 8 for that exact reason
@SovietReunionYT
25 күн бұрын
@@irne2847 People here are taught the same but by high school the necessary speed of writing leaves no time for wavy parts. I've heard it gets way worse in medical school and that's why doctors have notably bad handwriting.
@Tfin
2 ай бұрын
Ah, modernity. (Kids these days!) My 9s and 6s were quite distinct when I learned to write numbers. The 9 was a circle and a straight line, while the 6 was a loop. 1s and 7s, on the other hand....
@KasaiRayquaza
2 ай бұрын
That's how I feel about the Katakana for ツ/シ, and ン/ソ/リ. You need a dang protractor just to read and write.
@louisrobitaille5810
2 ай бұрын
I've got a pretty good trick to tell them apart 👀. ツ is tsu because the 2 lines go down, like a T. シ is shi because the 2 lines are kinda horizontal, like the top part of an S. I've got a different one for the other two though. ン is nn because the line goes down, like when writing a 'n' and ソ is so because "it's not ン (n), ソ (so) it has to be so." I still can't tell the difference easily between リ (ri) and い (i) in some fonts too 🥲.
@KasaiRayquaza
2 ай бұрын
@@louisrobitaille5810 Thanks! I'll have to give that a shot! I've also typically found that context clues typically help. But I still feel like I need a protractor when I'm writing it. 😅
@nilspochat8665
2 ай бұрын
le génie là, c'est que son design alternatif du 9 est aussi composé d'un (demi-rond) et d'une barre. Comme toutes les lettres et chiffres. Des *ronds* et des *barres.*
@vincentcrette3830
2 ай бұрын
On dirait tellement qu'il dit "I love se*" 😅 Mais continue mec t'es un génie 💪😉
@abarette_
2 ай бұрын
c'est ça l'angla*s
@louisrobitaille5810
2 ай бұрын
Sex peut vouloir dire six selon la provenance du mot, comme dans sexagénaire (personne dans la soixantaine).
@camembertdalembert6323
2 ай бұрын
c'est justement le thème de la vidéo...
@rainynight02
10 күн бұрын
Fun fact, the original numbers were written so they had that number of angles in the number itself. 6 and 9 looked different at the time but things changed, they grew more similar.
@terence7025
10 күн бұрын
Thank you. I wrote something similar, but only now saw your comment.
@guptaa
2 ай бұрын
Zero: Am I a joke to you?
@justinwhite2725
2 ай бұрын
Literally nothing to me.
@urud591
2 ай бұрын
Zero is even worse than 6 and 9, since you have to add a bar to avoid confusion with the O, for example when you write a code, IBAN, password, ecc.
@guptaa
2 ай бұрын
@@urud591 some fonts also write zero with a bar
@searchingfororion
Ай бұрын
Sorry '0', you weren't invented until a long time after... There's actually a really cool documentary about this. People were literally fighting each other (in every way) about the existence of 0 and if it should be adopted in their systems or not. Imagine trade embargos and scholars throwing hands all because one group wanted to use '0's and the other didn't. (I think it's also a great example of how we humans haven't changed *that* much when it comes to escalating a topic to - retrospectively - ridiculous proportions.)
@JumKrozBow
2 ай бұрын
How do we cheat on UNO if every number looks different?
@dexterboy2736
13 күн бұрын
UFO ?
@angelarojas7231
2 ай бұрын
The other options were 2 upside down, 7 upside down, 7 upside down and flipped to the other side, 8 upside down, and a circle with a line below which already looked like 9 lol
@mohammedbelgoumri
2 ай бұрын
How can you flip 8 upside down?
@angelarojas7231
2 ай бұрын
@@mohammedbelgoumri the upper circle is usually smaller than the lower circle, so if you flip it upside down then the smaller circle would be in the lower position while the bigger one would be in the upper position
@mellie4174
2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 Loved this. Mad joke skills here!
@s_o_m_e_o_n_e__e_l_s_e
3 күн бұрын
I love how one of the suggestions was a flipped 7 and an extra looped 8 😂😂
@salehaqabrawi6353
2 ай бұрын
7 and 8 are the same in Arabic ٧ ٨
@jamesraphaelcarter5434
2 ай бұрын
Do you it’s call the Arabic number
@talaal-jabakhnji6606
2 ай бұрын
both are Arabic numbers bud😂
@jamesraphaelcarter5434
2 ай бұрын
@@talaal-jabakhnji6606 my bad 🤣🤣
@talaal-jabakhnji6606
2 ай бұрын
@@jamesraphaelcarter5434 all good, just one was used in the east which is ٧ ٨ and the other was used mostly in the west of the Arabic world (aka Morocco and was introduced to Europe from there)
@barneylaurance1865
2 ай бұрын
@@jamesraphaelcarter5434Yeah we call them Arabic numbers but the rest are very different what's used in modern Arabic now.
@YuugiArry
Ай бұрын
Universal: a flipped 6 is confusing, here's a set of alternatives that include a flipped 7 and an 8 with an extra head to choose from. 😆
@andresstadelmann7583
Ай бұрын
I love how one of 9's alternate designs is just an upside down seven
@bacchadumII
Ай бұрын
He’s crying so much when one of his alternate designs was an upside down 7 😂😂
@fortgunv6465
Ай бұрын
I love how one of the alternative designs for 9 was an upside down 7 but that's the whole problem he brings up
@galaxystealth7652
2 ай бұрын
Please do one skit about the ways people right 2, 4, 7 with the line in the middle, etc 😂
@SimonOpsi
2 ай бұрын
It gets even better when you translate "I love six" into Swedish xD
@LilyPillow
Ай бұрын
“six from behind” 💀💀💀
@xwtek3505
Ай бұрын
That 8 with three holes looks much more cursed than rotated 6
@yunosonozaki6284
2 ай бұрын
He liked 6 so much he had to FLLLIP it
@amongus98223
Ай бұрын
"I love six!" "I love *six in latin* !"
@jlchips
2 ай бұрын
They’re best together though…
@friendlycheese5257
Ай бұрын
Not the second alternative looking like a flipped 7😂
@elcrz2449
2 ай бұрын
The upside down 7 as another idea for nine is great 😂
@lastweasel
2 ай бұрын
I like how one of the alternatives is just 7 rotated. lol
@hex_a_lexa
2 ай бұрын
"Six from behind" 😂😂😂😂
@minotor3317
2 ай бұрын
This video must go viral
@--..-...-..-.--....
Ай бұрын
"Now if six turned out to be nine, i don't care, i don't care"
@Swagpion
2 ай бұрын
"Ok, then make the tail strait.
@KrazyCouch2
2 ай бұрын
I love how one of the "infinite" designs for 9 is literally 7 flipped.
@iifelineiiii
11 күн бұрын
If English had chosen an alternate design, we would have been blessed and the 69 joke wouldn’t exist
@Kamado_Nezuko23
Ай бұрын
One spelling mistake and the whole conversation would go wrong 💀💀
@Bruhbruh-on3ms
16 күн бұрын
Wait till he hears it all repeats. It always does.
@thesame7423
Ай бұрын
"7.5±1.5" "Agreed!"
@azagisiyatitusatawine1916
2 ай бұрын
" I want 9 to be six from behind" 😂
@BolaZ7777
16 күн бұрын
Six from behind…. I see what you’re doing there…😂😂😂
@angiek8333
2 ай бұрын
i like how the "alternative designs" for the number 9, he's included an upsidedown 7 😂😂
@LittleWriterSquirrel
2 ай бұрын
This is so accurate🤣🤣
@pelayomedina2174
Ай бұрын
Thanks god it was not the 8 upside down
@cuppiecupsters
Ай бұрын
Wait til he hears about Uno cards…
@frenche2480
2 ай бұрын
As a type designer this makes my life easier, one less number to draw, amazing
@yoyoh318
11 күн бұрын
"I loooooooove six" YOOOOOOOOOOO 💀💀💀💀💀💀
@phantomphoenix8828
2 ай бұрын
I like that one of the designs he suggested is just an upsidedown 7
@brahimel
18 күн бұрын
Crazy!!! always make me laugh 🤣😍
@stevenjulian8590
2 ай бұрын
I love how the number 0 hadn't been invented at that time
@tobybartels8426
2 ай бұрын
He's just messing with you because you forgot 0 again.
@user-Mr.MM07
Ай бұрын
When I didn't notice the caption, "Six is great"🗿💀💀🗿
@Johrm
Ай бұрын
It feels soo weird when he says “love six, i loooooovvveee siiixxx”
@Kram668
2 ай бұрын
Well, we can all agree that 7±2 is "6", which ever side you look at it. Thank you physics, for introducing a buffer in measurements.
@douglasandrews8977
2 ай бұрын
No, seven minus two equals five. I think that you meant 7.5±1.5.
@Kram668
2 ай бұрын
@@douglasandrews8977 ±x (plus or minus x) means "with a margin of error of x in both direction". So mine depicts the range of all numbers, from 5 to 9 included.
@Kram668
2 ай бұрын
@@douglasandrews8977 sorry I was mistaken. You're right, should have said "with a margin of 2" .
@super.heraut.officiel
2 ай бұрын
"i want the nine to be six from behind" definitely a title.
@louisrobitaille5810
2 ай бұрын
That's why we sometimes put a bar under the number to tell them apart 🤷♂️.
@SeaToon
Ай бұрын
Oh the contrary, I actually like that original design for 9
@moamensayed9584
Ай бұрын
you just missed the opportunity to say "I want 9 to be 6 upside down"
@Tristen_French_Horn
2 ай бұрын
“And this is how 6 hates 9”
@FullMoonOctober
Ай бұрын
And he loved 8, too, but just not as much, so he only brought it back halfway as 3.
@alexisgoiset6215
Ай бұрын
He loves 8 so he flipped 8 for infinity.
@dalehammond3591
2 ай бұрын
Don't let him know that 81 will be 18 from behind.
@nekonink6647
2 ай бұрын
🤐
@douglasandrews8977
2 ай бұрын
I find that 6 and 9 do not look right if they are not mutual inversions (I curve all the way with both, and I write the double-story lowercase "g," so it cannot be confused with that-or a "q," although I curl my "q.") At least M is usually straight on the outside and W slanted, so they can be distinguished. That may make you wonder why Boggle bothers underlining them because it usually uses a font that distinguishes them.
@scoutskylar
2 ай бұрын
Zero being left out again. Poor zero.
@jl44257
2 ай бұрын
We have infinite designs: proceeds to show an 8 with an extra loop, a 7 upside down and a 3 drawn from right to left 😅
@Rosebud076
2 ай бұрын
This is why I never curve the little stem when I write 9, it’s always a straight line
@OmgRodYT
Ай бұрын
That’s why they sometimes have lines under them
@elijahevers2657
18 күн бұрын
If anyone is wondering, the design for numbers actually came from counting the angles that were displayed in the symbol. 0 being a ellipse like shape has no angles, 1 just has the single angle at the top, 2 when drawn with no curve on top looks like a Z which has two angles, and so on
@veikkokunkel1266
Ай бұрын
People from New Zealand: "He certainly loves sex"
@nuppup
20 күн бұрын
I like your hair!!
@lavasharkandboygirl9716
2 ай бұрын
An Australian needs to redub this video, “six from behind”
@MerlinaMerlin
2 ай бұрын
I love the nine that is a circle with a line!
@ThisWasEpic2023
2 ай бұрын
9 could've been eight with a 'turban' on it.
@ankurdhawan8287
24 күн бұрын
What if English liked nine so much that he flipped nine to get a six
@nmmn391
15 күн бұрын
Also some more numbers are pretty similar: "5" and "2" are just mirrored/flipped It"7" and "4" depending on how you write them. Same for 8 and 3
@SorceressKana
2 ай бұрын
I always have to remember: Six butt (6 has the line under the circle in it). Nine tails (9 has the line under the leg/tail of it)
@inassh8685
Ай бұрын
"Six from behind" Shut up, mind!
@LadyDragonbane
2 ай бұрын
I'm so relieved this sketch isn't in a Scandinavian language 😂
@willowtree6487
2 ай бұрын
Now you have to explain why!
@magnusengeseth5060
2 ай бұрын
@@willowtree6487 Our word for six is "sex".
@magnusengeseth5060
2 ай бұрын
If you for some reason wanted to write "He had sex with six strippers at his bachelor party" in Swedish it would be: -Han hade sex med sex strippor på sin svensexa.
@willowtree6487
2 ай бұрын
@@magnusengeseth5060 oh I see…..! 😂
@shkarfeug7808
2 ай бұрын
Honestly the 8 with 3 circles would be a good update
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