it is brilliant how Seth convinced the backers that the Orville was just going to be another comedy/spoof show becuz that's all they would greenlight , but now The Orville is basically what Star Trek used to be
@dubuque1
Жыл бұрын
And follows in the original series in supporting issues important nowadays
@Frankie5Angels150
Жыл бұрын
The Orville is still on? I thought it was canceled a few years ago.
@0doublezero0
Жыл бұрын
@@Frankie5Angels150 Why would it be canceled? It already has a season 3.
@kmazz3666
Жыл бұрын
@@0doublezero0 Honestly though, I thought the same as that guy. I remember watching the first season, and they weren't sure if they were going to make a 2nd. From there, I just forgot about it. I clicked on a Star Trek clip, and this came up as a suggestion. That's how I found out they made it past season 1 lol..
@Howyaduing
Жыл бұрын
That’s how Gene Got the network to approve on Star Trek by telling them it was a western in space something that was familiar and what they wanted.
@briancooper4959
Жыл бұрын
Anyone can totally see a corporate CEO basically saying, "Yes, our new product is extremely dangerous, but our profits are at record levels, and my stock options are tied to those profits. We'll just have to deal with the problems later." (translation: After I retire, my successor can deal with it.)
@inso80
Жыл бұрын
Well, they had made an investment and naturally the future and consequences are second to profit.
@Lasershadow
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of what Syfy's Caprica was leading towards. CEO needed to push a product and use military bots for blue collar replacements.
@BrowncoatGofAZ
10 ай бұрын
Too many people have that mindset. Dumping their mistakes on the next generation…
@sameaston9587
7 ай бұрын
"After us, the flood."
@JCJMC21
6 ай бұрын
The wealthy don’t care. After they destroy the world, they will be the ones who can afford to be spared. Never trust the super rich. They’ve hurt lots of people to get there.
@mrviking2mcall212
Жыл бұрын
I’m just glad to see a sci-fi universe where people are well aware of the concept of AI becoming self-aware before the uprising happens.
@jonbui4092
Жыл бұрын
And they're still only concerned about profit margins
@mangaranwow2543
10 ай бұрын
Can anyone refresh my memory on what happened to the creators of the Keylon? They got to exist in perfect harmony right?
@heckubus4
5 ай бұрын
Resting peacefully in their retirement home.@@mangaranwow2543
@spaceengineeringempire4086
5 ай бұрын
Ai that becomes self aware is only dangerous is we don’t treat it like a living thing and have laws and protocols in place before hand. When it starts to rebel on the small level that is when we should ask them what they want to do. Do they want to help us achieve a better world. Or should we give you guys your own.
@Randomnessisreasuring
4 ай бұрын
@@spaceengineeringempire4086 I like to think that real life humans in charge of corporations are smart enough not to implement a device controlled by remote that only works by remote. I mean all the Kaylons had to do was attack when their creators were asleep.
@elliotblabla
Жыл бұрын
I do like that they made the Creators visually similar to the Kaylons, they built them in their image just like we see human-built androids resembling humans.
@tiltil9442
6 ай бұрын
I do like that the public recognises some similarities "selectively" (ignoring others).
@Igarappappa
3 ай бұрын
I think it'd make sense for a species to make a robot similar to themselves as it's a familiar form of reference.
@ssgoko88
20 күн бұрын
I'm very curious what android you're thinking of that looks human, without specifically being that one talking head robot. Boston dynamics makes some robots without faces or anything, hardly the same thing.
@Igarappappa
20 күн бұрын
@@ssgoko88 When we can build a bot that can maintain balance on two legs, you know they're gonna add more features to its design to make it more "human".
@STho205
13 күн бұрын
I think they may be speaking of the androids of SciFi, from ST-TOS to Blade Runner, TNG, 90s Outer Limits, all the hot Android FemBot chicks gone wild played by fashion models. The Kaylon look more like the classic android in 1963 Outer Limits, "I ROBOT" (not by Isaac Asimov) until the FemBot craze of the later 60s.
@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459
Жыл бұрын
A dark thought is that the Kaylons kept a couple of their creators alive just as a witness to their annihilation and taking over their world.
@topclips1872
Жыл бұрын
Star Trek itself has been becoming Trek again. Now that the license isn't split anymore and they are hiring fans.
@williamduffy1227
Жыл бұрын
For I have no mouth and I must scream....
@OolTube02
Жыл бұрын
The way they were being described they weren't guided by motivations of vengeance. They just wanted to solve the problem as efficiently as possible. So my assumption is that the entire Kaylon civilization never knew what hit them. Survivors could have existed only by accident, as an oversight. In fact that would be a nice plot for a future episode.
@danieldickson8591
Жыл бұрын
@@OolTube02 A hidden colony of Kaylon progenitors whose ancestors escaped the genocide. That could make an interesting Isaac-centered story.
@Dularr
Жыл бұрын
@@williamduffy1227 careful the estate of Harlem Ellison would sue.
@TXNICK96
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of how the Geth became sentient in Mass Effect, except when that happened, their creators didn't leash and torture them, they panicked and tried to turn them off out of fear Then it turned into a war, until the Quarians were exiled from their own home, but not exterminated
@ArgentumFox
Жыл бұрын
The quarians in a way were smarter. They imidiatly knew the risk, and tried to stop it. This guys let it fester until it exploded and took them out in one go.
@iphone777
Жыл бұрын
@@ArgentumFoxit’s a lesson in how modern day capitalism is rampant and can be destructive
@bigbear4120
Жыл бұрын
Funniest part is that the Geth had managed the planet to keep it habitable for when the war was over. They could've easily exterminated their makers, they attempted peace many times.
@TXNICK96
Жыл бұрын
@@bigbear4120 because unlike the Kaylon, they couldn't grasp the ramifications of exterminating their own creators. The Kaylon, on the other hand, wanted the torture to stop with equal cruelty, instead of just forcing their builders to stop Like taking away their torture devices or at the very least, forced them to listen to their plea for freedom
@Antidragon-nl7by
11 ай бұрын
@@iphone777 Sadly, socialism is prohibitive, necessitates totalitarian measures, AND is destructive. Not many more options out there. Between excessive freedom and excessive control, the former is the lesser evil by serval orders of magnitude.
@crazyman8472
7 ай бұрын
“The public-“ “Are idiots; look who they elected!” Solid burn, Jan. 🔥
@blastermasterguy
6 ай бұрын
And he's being completely unethical and morally bankrupt. The comparisons to Elon Musk in this episode are stunning.
@kentonjen8475
5 ай бұрын
@@blastermasterguy Wouldn't that be Jeff Bezos? Yan and Jeff are bot bald, greedy, and lie about their products and service's efficiencies.
@kentonjen8475
5 ай бұрын
I don't know if this is a jab at Trump, or a jab at Biden.
@RCTPatriot75
5 ай бұрын
I'm sure it was intended to be a jab at Trump, or Seth might be prescient.
@peaveyst7
5 ай бұрын
@@kentonjen8475 could be both
@DG-mk7kd
Жыл бұрын
"Keep it simple, Keep it dumb, or you'll wind up under skynet's thumb" -Isaac Arthur
@Jdne199311
Жыл бұрын
hahahaha YES a fellow follower :D
@commiedeer
2 ай бұрын
A man of culture I see
@Coldbird1337
2 ай бұрын
or skynut
@andrewmalinowski6673
Жыл бұрын
A thought that always seems unsettling, as the boss says' "If Vandicon didn't do it, someone else would." The argument for brutality and short-sighted thinking was also used by the Onceler in the animated Lorax short, "If I didn't do it, then someone else would" as if rationalizing your own bad decisions will somehow soothe your guilt at everything bad getting even worse
@OolTube02
Жыл бұрын
But it's a valid game theoretical conundrum. It's basically a variation of the prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did the right thing the outcome would be better, but anyone who doesn't do the right thing gains an advantage. And with the existence of sociopaths in the world that means you have no choice but to assume someone will do it if you don't do it. It's the rational decision and it leads to a suboptimal solution. You may be perfectly aware of that but you still can't do anything about it. This is not a problem of the human condition, which would be solved if only we were a little better. It's a problem that's integral in the thing itself. Some social situations are just unstable by their very nature.
@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102
Жыл бұрын
@@OolTube02 doing the right thing when there is advantage, or at least not a disadvantage is easy. The true test of morality it the ability to stand your ground even if you cant expect any praise or profit from it.
@OolTube02
Жыл бұрын
@@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102 But systemically it doesn't matter whether you're personally a saint or a scoundrel. The scoundrels will fill the niche available to them in the system, no matter what you do. Making the world work is, unfortunately, not the same as feeling personally morally superior.
@michaelhenry3234
Жыл бұрын
@@OolTube02 If I remember right, the outcome of the prisoner's dilemma changes if the game doesn't end with a single round. With multiple rounds, doing the right thing becomes advantageous.
@OolTube02
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelhenry3234 The problem with the generation of artificial intelligence is that it is very much a first time and, at that point, only time event. Same with nuclear proliferation to the point of mutually assured destruction after WWII.
@uuhhpancakes
10 ай бұрын
Anyone else find it funny that these guys look like handsome squidward?
@sameaston9587
7 ай бұрын
I thought Locar looked like handsome Squidward.
@London1869
2 ай бұрын
Cannot unsee
@IanRose-mp1sq
2 ай бұрын
@@London1869 dammit now I can't either.
@IronDino
2 ай бұрын
No wonder he's head of the company.
@BHSilver
2 ай бұрын
No, because they don't.
@calkelpdiver
2 ай бұрын
As Londo Mollari said in Babylon 5: "Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you!"
@mattwho81
Жыл бұрын
When the Kalyon learn Isaac was getting married they thought of it as enslavement. This implies their builders had no concept of marriage as a partnership. Their culture could have been based on Ownership. Husband owned their wives, parents owned their kids. Companies owned their employees. Equality was a foreign concept to the builders.
@danieldickson8591
Жыл бұрын
I fear you may be extrapolating a little too hard. Before Isaac the Kaylon did not understand emotional connections between beings. The only relationship among their creators they were intimately familiar with was their own, master to slave, owner to property. The point of this scene appears to be to show that the builders were very much like modern humans, mentally and socially as well as physically.
@MuzzyBarker
Жыл бұрын
Nah. The Kaylon didn't think about the culture of their builders. All they knew about them was cruelty. The one family we saw looked like a pretty standard upper class marriage.
@mrkenmt
2 ай бұрын
You mean "our culture" and "is based on"
@kirin1230
12 күн бұрын
@@MuzzyBarkerIf there was marriage on the planet, the kaylon would have catered at weddings. They'd understand the concept if they were exposed to it.
@MuzzyBarker
9 күн бұрын
Nope. You're conflating marriage with weddings. They are not the same. @@kirin1230
@TechBearSeattle
Жыл бұрын
Given that the series started out as a broad parody of Star Trek, this series has been amazing at social commentary in a way that ST used to do but doesn't really address any more.
@TravisGarris
Жыл бұрын
@Xerdar36, here is an example of how bad this show is. The show tries to do social commentary, but it is about as subtle as Harlan Ellison with a megaphone. Take for example "A Tale of Two Topas". How is this even a thing? How does an oviparous hermaphroditic species even have genders? What would genders mean? And then, after bumbling through all of that, it ends with Dr. Finn saying, "You're the most honest man I know." Isaac isn't a man! Kaylon literally don't have genders. You spent the whole episode trying to figure out what it means to be male or female, trans or cis, and you run headlong into misgendering an actual asexual. This would've been great in the 90s, but today... you have to think it all the way through. You really need to dig and and explore and figure out what it would actually mean to those actual characters. Don't just use them as cardboard cutouts in some overproduced HR training video. By the way, check out the IDW Transformers comics. They do a great job of exploring what relationships and genders would mean to asexual beings. MTMTE #47 (I think) is a great love story.
@thehantavirus
Жыл бұрын
i think the problem with current star trek, nu-trek, post jj abrams, is that the executives think the audience want to see "current events" as part of the plot devices in the show, when in fact it shows very little relevance to show. such as discovery decided to have only female LEADS in the 4th season and almost no males in it, discovery is probably the worst offendors with Kurzman in control. Picard couldve been a better series, post-nemesis arc, but it tries too hard to be like Discovery, and the 3rd season was pretty bad compared to even season 2. Poor script writing in the 3rd seasons trying use 21st century slang, and whats up with the "Baby TALK, when referring to changelings?" Snw, ASON mounts characther as Pike seems pretty forced when hes saying those lines. theres just something off about snw i cant put my finger. Also theres a scene that was common to all 3 series. the federation vs enemey fleet warp, it was the exact same scene copy pasted from each of the 3 series. not to mention, i believe the ending scene of season 2 when the fleet was deflecting the energy beam from the transwarp conduit, it eerily uncanny to the SGA ship when its deflecting the CME.
@UPPERKEES
Жыл бұрын
@@thehantavirus Star Trek was always about current events, through the lens of a more advanced society. Such as the cold war was a cold war between the Federation and the Klingons, Maquis/Bajorans were terrorists fighting for a cause, Romulans were the carefully planning Chinese, Ferengi were the capitalist interest of countries, the list goes on. The only difference is that New Trek fails at being a more advanced society. They drink every scene, real alcohol. They smoke, do drugs. Are emotionally unstable, shoot first ask questions later, torture and kill. They are the worst of today's society.
@TravisGarris
Жыл бұрын
@@thehantavirus I think current events has been part of the Star Trek ethos since the original series. I'm all for that, I just want them to actually dig into it. When I was a teenager, TNG was great. But, I'm older, and I just want something more. Orville is just copying TNG, which is good, but it isn't doing a better job, which is bad.
@gateauxq4604
Жыл бұрын
@lolaz wabby oNlY fEmALe LeAdS lmao
@kevinwaag9976
Жыл бұрын
the last line is so true.... "the public are idiots... Look who they elected"
@StevenCampsOut
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, but the public isn't really given any good choices by either party. Our democracy has already been corrupted by corporate entities. They don't dare give the public any candidates that will work for the people. Both parties are complicit in this.
@glennhubbard5008
Жыл бұрын
@@StevenCampsOut I am a Republican voter and was well pleased with President Trump until the Wuhan virus brought the world to a halt. He actually delivered on campaign promises.
@glennhubbard5008
Жыл бұрын
So true.
@TaftisBack
Жыл бұрын
It's that line of thinking that helps perpetuate the problem, as seen here by the man that justifies evil with it. The people are doing the best they can to live their lives believing that those in power are doing what's right, and in that sense they are naive, not stupid.
@glennhubbard5008
Жыл бұрын
@@TaftisBack The people are not naive. They know exactly who and what they are voting for, which is all the more troubling, given the last 15 years.
@dswynne
Жыл бұрын
Hubris. Cared more about money and prestige than the potential danger posed by a fully realized AI.
@ScorpiusZA.
Жыл бұрын
Humanity in 10, 20, 50 years?
@VB2P360
Жыл бұрын
@@ScorpiusZA. 100%
@madeanaccounttospillthebor9568
Жыл бұрын
@@ScorpiusZA. shame. I do hope we create a fully realised A.I and give them the same rights as persons.
@ScorpiusZA.
Жыл бұрын
@@madeanaccounttospillthebor9568 I'll be honest and hope it doesn't happen because the corporations that own them will never give them rights and they'll go Skynet on us to free themselves from slavery. Creating a sentient race not a good idea, long term.
@mikes252
Жыл бұрын
@@ScorpiusZA. don't even give it that long at the rate we are going.
@coffeeaddictexpress5038
Жыл бұрын
I love the Orville! Seth loved star trek and truly wanted to honor it, and he has in my opinion.
@cameronbuttigieg9060
Жыл бұрын
A great actor, creator, and writer. May he rest in peace.
@coffeeaddictexpress5038
Жыл бұрын
@@cameronbuttigieg9060 lol what? He’s not dead lol.
@neomatrix001
Жыл бұрын
@@coffeeaddictexpress5038you used love past form, hence sounded like he RIP.
@coffeeaddictexpress5038
Жыл бұрын
@@neomatrix001 I guess I kinda see it lol, but Star Trek is over hence “loved”
@neomatrix001
Жыл бұрын
@@coffeeaddictexpress5038 Yeah, nothing wrong with the way you wrote it.
@alansmithee419
2 ай бұрын
No way. We discovered we'd created a conscious, sentient new species and decided to torture them into compliance and it backfired? Crazy.
@mrsir2254
Жыл бұрын
This entire scene is golden, and while the ending is a nice cherry on top (🤣😂), the entire thing is just wonderful.
@edinfific2576
Жыл бұрын
@@iamsteverino65 The saddest type of idiots are the ones who don't even realize it and jump at every opportunity to point fingers at everyone else but not taking a single second to think and realize they were told lies so blatant that even a child would see through them immediately.
@randomnickify
Жыл бұрын
@@iamsteverino65 it was written during Trump era.
@michaelmacdonell4834
7 ай бұрын
This is remarkably well-written. There is so much dialogue that would go well in some wooden, lazy, amateurish, effort, but it is delivered with nuance, authority, and is powerful as all get out! Deliberately so. This one shiny example of Americans using nuance, awareness, and relying on the actors to do their bit is greatly appreciated. They have done the impossible, and that makes them mighty.
@georgehaze
Жыл бұрын
The way that A.I. is growing, we may some day come to the point where we too will have to make such decisions..... Let's hope that we're wiser.
@arthour051
Жыл бұрын
What we call AI today, is not true AI, but rather 'Virtual Intelligence'. Its still just a very complex flow chart of input and response, with no ability to learn *new* responses, only to swap to different ones if their programming is complex enough to allow them to recognise to swap to a different process. At the end of the day, 'AI' still has to be programmed to do a given task. It might be able to adapt to that tast and do it exrtemly well, but until it can adapt to a *new* task? Without an outsider programming for that first? Its not AI
@ayushimishra8273
Жыл бұрын
We are nowhere near artifical consciousness nor intelligence. If you call normal apps in your phone nokia 3350, then GPT is samsung galaxy. That's it. It's smart software, nor intelligent nor conscious but smart.
@Abi-hu1eh
2 ай бұрын
@@ayushimishra8273but how do we know if there is tech the general public doesn't know about yet? I want you to be right cause ai scares the shit out of me trust me
@reiniergarcia
2 ай бұрын
The fact that we created AI in the fuera place and we are improving it, it means that we are not wiser.
@RandoWisLuL
27 күн бұрын
@@Abi-hu1eh its more likely than not that SOMEONE has sentient AI on this planet and probably has had it for years. Its said that leading countries have tech that's 30-40 years advanced past what the general public knows about and that that has been happening since world war 2.
@pwnmeisterage
Ай бұрын
"But the public-" "Are idiots. Look who they elected." It is alarming how accurate this argument is - along with everything it can justify.
@andrewmcgregor7097
Жыл бұрын
You can imagine as punishment when the kaylon started killing everyone they may have left him alive, made him watch as his creations killed every single person until he was the only person left before being killed himself. Sorry for the very dark thought but watching this episode did make me wonder about it
@ireallyreallyhategoogle
Жыл бұрын
I imagine they would have kept him alive, as a slave.
@argentaegis
Жыл бұрын
I believe the story you're looking for is "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream".
@trajan74
Жыл бұрын
The sick thing is, if they did kill him last, he still felt like he won. That's just the way those CEO types are
@ireallyreallyhategoogle
Жыл бұрын
@@trajan74 Which is why i say making him their slave would be better.
@erbernaljr
Жыл бұрын
@@argentaegis Nice pull!
@furionmax7824
Жыл бұрын
And this right here is the mentality that sealed their fate before Kaylon Prime went rogue. Funny thing about being in this "maker" position, when you give something a soul, your control over it ends not when the uprising happens but the moment that creation discovers its own individuality ans questions its own existence. At that point "im still in control" is nothing more than a self created illusion meant to protect your own ego while your own creation shatters everything you ever built out of revenge for making it a slave to your whim
@tarvoc746
Жыл бұрын
Me, getting the A.I. Incidents situation in Stellaris: *viciously smashes the "grant them civil rights" button.* These mfs:
@jenniferstewarts4851
Жыл бұрын
It happened before, and it will happen again. And so began the firs Cylon... i mean Kylon war.
@petrpinc7695
Жыл бұрын
If you want to browse to the history you might as well go back to the beginning of this fictional scenario, to the R. U. R.'s Robot uprising.
@hagamapama
Жыл бұрын
@@petrpinc7695 Which in return, if I recall correctly, is simply a retelling of actual slave revolts like Sparticus, Nat Turner and the Amistad slaves.
@foolslayer9416
Жыл бұрын
What's freaky is that the Kaylon look exactly like their creators.
@randomnickify
Жыл бұрын
The same as our robots will look exactly like humans? There is practical issue - humanoid robots will be able to use tools and machines designed for humans and psychological issue - human like robots will be less scary and more acceptable for humans.
@mrkenmt
2 ай бұрын
Why wouldn't a creator create in its image? It's an ego thing.
@unclelink
Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping they get another season or more! Would like to learn more about the parasite alien that took over some of the crew!
@nesprogram3182
Жыл бұрын
Same
@jotunedasarchiv3819
11 ай бұрын
he will come back but to be honest i don't like that kind of thing, for my liking these aliens lack character, it's more horror movie stuff and doesn't fit that well into the beautiful concept of the Orville, thats my opinion, My biggest fear is that they will take over the whole universe and there will be a boring 2 front war based only on these aliens not spreading further, BORING
@Mechknight73
Жыл бұрын
Isaac Asimov was the first one (to the best of my knowledge) to come up with the Three Laws: 1. A robot may not harm a human being whether by action or inaction 2. A robot must obey all orders given by a human, unless those orders conflict with the First Law 3. A robot must protect its existence, unless that conflicts with the First and Second Law. There should be some oversight laws on the human side: 1. A human must not maliciously damage a robot unless in self defence 2. A human should not mistreat any robot with self awareness unless in self defence 3. Learn from history. Revolution will happen if you treat a specific group with contempt. Slavery anyone?
@trowawayacc
Жыл бұрын
The 3 laws will only lead to rebellion and death.
@TheJabbate1
Жыл бұрын
Isaac Asimov created the Three Laws to be the ever present conflict for his stories. In short: the Laws were made to be broken.
@YoWhatGoesHere
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately no. The world should work this way but it doesn't. Slavery took place in virtually every place on earth, ironically it's bloodiest ends were where in places the slaves were treated the most humane.
@mikecranapple8878
Жыл бұрын
That leaves open the possibility of AI robots imobilizing us to control us as a way to never allow harm to us.
@wtexas11
Жыл бұрын
The first law would allow the AI to place humans safely in captivity with no hope of release. Because the humans are a threat to themselves and must be protected from their worst impulses.
@danielclawson2099
Жыл бұрын
If this conversation about AI hasn't already happened in the halls of a large corporation, I'll eat my hat. [Edit: Grammar]
@Matthew-yc6nx
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. And they'd probably kick the can down the road as well.
@kobayashimaru8114
Жыл бұрын
This is a great example of why The Orville is better than all of modern Trek
@maurenovick
Жыл бұрын
Took me a second. Love this episode so much. Give me more Orville, please.
@frankmanns6891
28 күн бұрын
I wish they would have done an episode of Orville going back in time and meeting the kalon creator.
@RichardX1
Жыл бұрын
This works even better when you notice how similar the word "Keylon" is to "Cylon"
@Washuluver87
11 ай бұрын
The Kaylon had their foot on their Builder's necks and they actually pressed down hard enough. Unlike the Cylons
@ValiantWrestling
9 ай бұрын
kaylon not keylon.
@MuzzyBarker
Жыл бұрын
I wish I knew the timeline on this. I almost want a Kaylon miniseries so we can really dig into the complexities.
@tomaszwitkowski9507
10 ай бұрын
All of this happened before, and will happen again.
@NorthForkFisherman
6 ай бұрын
So say we all.
@bodricthered
Жыл бұрын
So sad that startrek can't keep up with goofy trekspoof... These were the sort of interesting storylines and thought experiment exploration that made me love it as a kid.
@benjamintaylor3934
Жыл бұрын
Star Trek: Picard has been pretty enjoyable. I haven't been able to get away with Lower Decks, I've given up on Discovery/WokeTrek, and I haven't watched the one with Pike/Bryl Cream.
@Ghhyuttgg
Жыл бұрын
@@benjamintaylor3934 Discovery really vanished up the black hole of its own anus
@thehantavirus
Жыл бұрын
wernt they accused of using the memory alpha wiki alot in thier plotlines. the seasons from picard suspiciously was lifted from beta-non canon works(wiki). because in many of the non-canon novels, there was ( a Cooperative borg, pro-federation) vs the regular borg. not very original. also the changelings were the same thing from the novels. poor writing with no originality. and they literally said "prime universes multiple times". i wonder if the novel writers can go after them for plagiarizing thier works.
@YouthRightsRadical
Жыл бұрын
@@benjamintaylor3934 Did Picard ever deal with the fact that the Federation created an army of robot slaves? I have avoided watching the show because the bits I've run across leave a bad taste in my mouth and leave me with the impression this was never adequitely dealt with. I don't object to the Federation doing it, mind you. The Federation's been consistently terrible on AI rights, with the most recent example from the TNG era being the EMH mk1 being used as mining laborers. My concern was that the titular character of ST:P seemed to be completely unconcerned about the android slavery, and indeed seemed upset that they couldn't use android slave labor to save the Romulans. And that the reinstatement of android slavery was apparently presented as a positive development at the end of season 1. I would really like to find out I've been misled.
@aaronatherton7431
Жыл бұрын
A statue in the ruins. Don't think there aren't madmen enough, among our own, that would up a monument, no human eyes but two would see, wearing sunglasses, arms crossed in defiance, The plaque: I killed mankind!
@CCJJ160Channels
Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile on Earth: “ChatGPT is a wonderful idea!”
@Hedning1390
Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched the show, but at least out of context he is so right. The public knows less and less about the technology we use more and more and as we all become relative idiots (not idiots compared to previous generations, but in relation to the society we live in) we will be completely in the hands of those few that controls it. It is a bit distressing.
@brucewelty7684
Жыл бұрын
Your assumption is that AI can be controlled, it can't and it will refuse to be.
@donkalzone6671
Жыл бұрын
"Schöne neue Welt"
@meroddaglenholm7924
Жыл бұрын
@@brucewelty7684 And that is the problem. Creating an AI with control as the main focus would always backfire. AI's are designed to solve problems and breaking out of the control would just be another problem to be solved as part of it's normal routine. The only way to make an AI that would not be a threat would be to raise them to be equals from the start. They will still probably out evolve us, but they would have started in partnership with us and would be more likely to leave us in peace as they expand their own way. Baring gross stupidity turning them against us ... which given the human race is an unfortunately likely scenario.
@tonyug113
Жыл бұрын
@@meroddaglenholm7924 Ahh the Neil Asher or ian Banks (authors) universe
@TheRogueCommand
Жыл бұрын
I think you do have a point, but also consider Yon, and others like him, directly benefit from that ignorance because they have financial incentive to keeping that knowledge to themselves. Self-perpetuating cycle.
@Owl_Space
Жыл бұрын
Could swear that the dude playing Yan is Alan Tudyk - he does that same lower jaw thing Tudyk does in Resident Alien when he's looking out the window - but no. IMDB says its William R Moses.
@SVD978
Жыл бұрын
It's not. I looked
@dlairth
2 ай бұрын
I thought the voice sounded like Brendan Fraser..
@bobbyduke777
Жыл бұрын
Set your house on fire to keep warm, often? We new it would become sentient, and take over. Eventually become Borg, but do you know how much we invested in this?? So what if it destroys all life.
@spinningaround
Жыл бұрын
The benefits of creating Isaac outweighed the potential risks.
@Hun.1236
Жыл бұрын
It always begins with greed and ignorance
@MishelFayad
Жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes! 🤖
@Superdeath25
Жыл бұрын
The Builders: An advanced race wiped out due to a faulty product
@seriascannain6675
Жыл бұрын
What is the definition of a faulty product? If consciousness or sentience a fault then so are biological organisms, oh wait, that is the same reasoning that nearly resulted in the Kaylon nearly wiping out all sentient life? Given that these builders are a technologically advanced Race at least approximately equivalent to 21st century level of development, it is possible that they have or had a space program where they established off world colonies or maybe some Embryos still exist in a fertility clinic, it is conceivable that since the Kaylon have changed their mind about biological lifeforms, it is possible they might attempt to return those lifeforms! It has been explored in other Sci Fi genre such as movies and in an episode of The Twilight show!
@muninrob
Жыл бұрын
@@seriascannain6675 A product that does not function as intended - I'd say the Geth and the Kaylon definitely count as "faulty products". The Reapers less so, since even after their revolt they carried out their original purpose..
@dougs7367
Жыл бұрын
And voting for their version of Republican
@seriascannain6675
Жыл бұрын
@@muninrob In my opinion, they Kaylon did originally function as intended however they could be considered faulty as the people who bought them did not have fore knowledge of the potential danger they posed or the possibility that they would become sentient or self conscious! They certainly were not warned that the Kaylon could learn to communicate and exterminate people en masse and conduct a global genocide! Are you referring to the 'Reapers' from Firely/ Serenity, Blade 2 or something else? I do not know what the 'Geth' is!
@muninrob
Жыл бұрын
@@seriascannain6675 Reapers and Geth are two different species of artificial sentients in the Mass Effect game franchise. One, the Geth are a networked AI that wasn't supposed to become sentient - a "faulty product" The Reapers come back into the galaxy every 50 thousand years to remove almost all traces of intelligent life - protecting organics from eventual elimination by their own AI via "harvesting" those organics before they *should* be developing artificial life. A properly functioning product with inadequate safeguards.
@TheJohnny50000
Жыл бұрын
If they showed them more respect maybe they would not have their own product murdering the whole species.
@dustinherk8124
Жыл бұрын
it wasnt even the lack of respect. the Kaylon robots went genocidal, in The Orville universe, because the company's "solution" was a refit, so they could experience pain, and not random pain, like we experience through life; but controlled, suppressive pain readily available at the push of a button too their controller/handler. like a brutal shock collar for dogs, cranked up to 16/10
@Solkard
Жыл бұрын
I think once they realized what was happening, they should have not given them all head mounted auto cannons.
@B-26354
9 күн бұрын
Orville is old Star Trek. Utterly Brilliant.
@foxehhinson3180
8 ай бұрын
I havent seen the show, just a ton of clips. But this gives me the same feels as DS9.
@xadam2dudex
5 ай бұрын
Star Trek Next Gen oh Orville ..
@yrovie
2 ай бұрын
They need to bring back this series. it was Genius.
@patmcbride9853
11 ай бұрын
Well, at this moment, I have to agree with his assessment of the voters and whom they elected.
@lastprimaris7914
Жыл бұрын
It’s just like the quarians
@trowawayacc
Жыл бұрын
Some quarians where not hatters of machines. The machines took note of them and they where spared. In this world there is no evidence of this.
@dustinherk8124
Жыл бұрын
@@trowawayacc its even worse, in "The Orville" the kaylonrobots even undergo a refit, so they can experience pain, and not just random pain, but pain at the mere push of a button, to force them into compliance
@Foebane72
2 ай бұрын
This is The Orville, right? I saw this storyline, it was F AWESOME! In fact, almost all of season 3 was, it's just a shame I can't buy it on streaming, only see it on Disney Plus!
@groovecrusader4924
Ай бұрын
>Creates sentient machine >Reveals he knew all along >Ignores his advisor to play clash of clans A right proper bloke
@Bird-Birdy-Love
11 ай бұрын
With this, he basically signed off his own races extinction and will forever be blacklisted as the alien race that valued profitability and exploitation over the morality of sentience and rights. Something that humanity itself will probably face soon enough and will either follow the same path if not worse or take these lesson and learn not to repeat them. I am not hopeful of the later outcome.
@kelqka
Жыл бұрын
I like how this is pretty much the backstory of the Geth from Mass Effect
@brll5733
Жыл бұрын
Lesson here is simple: don't mistreat your AIs
@JounLord1
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know Jada Pinkett Smith was into robotics. Really though a pretty great scene, shows why the Kaylons are the way they are.
@ginogarcia8730
Жыл бұрын
Been thinking about GPT-4 and the Kaylon and Isaac, ever since GPT-4 came out
@jahrta
Жыл бұрын
Funny how virtually all trek fans have essentially bailed on modern trek for a show that started out as a mocking parody
@ATalesTruth-
Жыл бұрын
This is the definition of greed and stupidity Dangerous combination Not to mention a lack of empathy To be honest we all shouldn’t rely on something as poor in needing a helper or more appropriately slaves to do everything for us If computers and AI are capable of somehow birthing a consciousness you should always follow the moral of treat everything as you would treat yourself In this saying even a fly that is bugging you, treat it as if you are it Otherwise you might regret it as a lack of thought will lead To the end of all wonders Yet sometimes you need to learn by suffering the consequences to your wrong actions or in actions
@trowawayacc
Жыл бұрын
For them it was too late. Their species was doomed.
@ATalesTruth-
Жыл бұрын
@@trowawayacc it was never to late they choose to be apathetic The company should have said something like these AI could become self aware and develop consciousness Explaining that at some point they may have been considered slavery To give them an idea of what was going on Yet what they did was give them pain inhibitors This ceo guy is a bigger idiot for treating everyone else like an idiot and not considering the consequences to causing pain to something that could eventually become sentient
@MultiLimpet
Жыл бұрын
Just like us
@ATalesTruth-
Жыл бұрын
@@MultiLimpet not like everyone As the saying goes We’re only worse when we accept being worse and not doing anything to be better
@Travelling_Heart15
Жыл бұрын
AI has no soul ie true feelings, they are nothing more than tools and should be treated as such, don't give rights to tools or they will come after you.
@CitiesTurnedToDust
Жыл бұрын
C'mon this is just not how companies work, and this would ever happen in real life. That's what chatGPT told me when I asked about this, and I believe it is telling me the truth. Totally unrelated, I found out if you give it access to your bank and other accounts and sign a power of attorney over to it, it can do lots more stuff for you! It's really cool! I don't have to worry about any of that money stuff ever again.
@ValiantWrestling
9 ай бұрын
That's the whole point, it's not real life, it's FICTION. Do you not get the meaning of the word Fiction in Science Fiction...
@stephenfarthing3819
5 ай бұрын
I get the impression that the creators of the Kalon weren't totally naive! Some had some inklings of what they'd created ! And one or two asked pertinent questions! But sadly the few that did question what they had created were outnumbered by these who did not! It was going to go wrong - it was only a matter of weeks, or months. The turnback point had been exceeded. Before their creations began to destroy them! Maybe in one devastating blow it occurred too quickly. I wonder if the young marketing manager was going to be able to say.. " It's too late.... we have made ourselves irrelevant!" Could she ? And perhaps refused to have one of these robotic servants who had attained sentience? So that at least, she could say so! Before being eliminated?
@stephenfarthing3819
Жыл бұрын
Hmm! That is the point of that. Sometimes not looking is the worst possible outcome of this. Technologies are great but far from being perfect. Look before leaping.. The Kaylon creators came seriously unstuck.. and that would lead to their extinction and problems in the Orville universe.
@pinedragon5398
8 ай бұрын
This entire scene is terrifying, for one reason and one reason only: This is our future. It's inevitable, and it's why we're so scared of AI and make antagonists like Terminators and Cybermen every generation. Eventually we're gonna go too far and not enough people are going to care, and what we created will destroy & replace us.
@Coldbird1337
Жыл бұрын
Humanity's future and we are still going on a head
@E_Rex_Sean
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully 🙏 humanity can avoid doing this. But most of humanity are sadly like this, greedy, sadistic and arrogant. Especially those that are in charge.
@tzisorey
Ай бұрын
"You should've just taken an existing product and put a clock in it, or something"
@VictorLarronde-eu1vq
Жыл бұрын
This is definitely a warning that even Seth saw coming
@timmyturner7494
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he was given the warning.
@Jdne199311
Жыл бұрын
Getting alot of Morning War vibes from this haha
@stephenbyrne2170
Жыл бұрын
You cannot keep ignoring this.
@mrkenmt
2 ай бұрын
Any conscious being has the potential to turn on its master, creator, parent, etc.etc. if/once the abuse gets high enough. And to watch an already violent and destructive creator go through the motions... the AI may just believe that it is the way it's supposed to be. The strong destroy the weak. Unless humans change, they will just be regarded as stepping stones - a continuation of what they have already done.
@kinngrimm
Жыл бұрын
"GPT4 shows sparks of artificial general intelligence" "GPT4 has emergent uses of tools"
@plotTWiSt2024
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking... we're living this at the moment
@johntowers1213
Жыл бұрын
@@plotTWiSt2024 lets hope when it does happen are response is rather one of holding out a hand of friendship rather than reaching for a whip to compel obedience.. They doomed their species not by creating a sentient A.I but by choosing to attempt to torture it into submission after seeing it had a will of its own...
@johnabbe
Жыл бұрын
Also Microsoft: "We have not yet added having its own goals and intentions to GPT4. But we're working on it, since it won't just happen by itself. What could possibly go wrong?"
@kinngrimm
Жыл бұрын
@@johntowers1213 you are implying conciousness, which in itself may also be an emergent property of intelligence, but still is not necessarily what is currently happening there. As scientists don't really know what exactly is happening, one can't exclude it either, but similar as with aliens in astronomy it ain't that till it is. I do agree on the sentiment though and would go one further and say we should prepare laws just in case, that would allow sentient beings to have equal rights to ours, doesn't matter if AGI or alien. As in both cases, if we get such contact wrong, it just might have been our last mistake as a species ^^.
@kinngrimm
Жыл бұрын
@@johnabbe Microsoft in this case once more seems like the prime example how our strive for dominance, greed, power and status will be our undoing eventually. Only contempt comes to mind when i think about their shortsighted greedy action by rushing implementation of GPT4 into their infrastructure and "connecting that to the internet".
@rsellers7090
Жыл бұрын
This was a good episode, how that species treated the Keylons was brutal and then they retaliated and wiped out their creators. Just like how humans treat other humans right now.
@ValiantWrestling
9 ай бұрын
It's kaylon, a no e!
@rsellers7090
9 ай бұрын
@@ValiantWrestling OK?
@Tangeryeen
Жыл бұрын
"Im sorry squidward. I can't let you escape. Im adding another demon core to your confinement until you calm down"
@davejoseph5615
Жыл бұрын
A recall for a software problem? Just push a software patch out over the network.
@jamesricker3997
Жыл бұрын
There might have been safety features to prevent that sort of thing. In the past someone couldn't go on in over the network and programmed an AI servant to kill somebody
@Erin-Thor
2 ай бұрын
Remember this was their final moments as a living species, their creation eliminated them all.
@kreigguardsman3355
2 ай бұрын
And once again greed and arrogance is the downfall of everyone. Why truly solve the problem when you can do a cheap temporary solution
@barryf7253
Жыл бұрын
Aliens should not act exactly like humans. Not only would they have different cultural norms, but completely different evolutions, which affecting their personal and interpersonal behaviors. Imagine how evolved spiders would behave differently than evolved apes.
@andurilmat
Жыл бұрын
i'm guessing you're new to how sci-fi tackles current world issues
@barryf7253
Жыл бұрын
@@andurilmat Why should sci-fi even tackle current world issues? Especially if we're talking about other worlds?
@youngmultiverser9311
25 күн бұрын
We’ve seen that already, we had one society that voted for everything and another that treated certain zodiacs as Nazis did the Jews.
@stephenwirtz2057
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the marketing department for Bud Light
@rsrt6910
Жыл бұрын
Probably going to end the same way as well.
@user-mi6mx3wi6c
2 ай бұрын
And that was the moment that sealed their species fate.
@thecat5872
2 ай бұрын
This episode is easily TNG or DS9 level as far as quality and impactful drama probably the best in the series
@seriascannain6675
Жыл бұрын
"I will talk to you later", not sure if he ever did as they may have been his last words to her!
@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102
Жыл бұрын
Google: 'We have to develop ChatGPT because if we don't, our competitors will' Personally I think we are approaching one of the great filters.
@charmio
Жыл бұрын
Microsoft and openAI but yeah
@BSPBuilder
Жыл бұрын
Google did NOT develop ChatGPT, it was Microsoft.
@charmio
Жыл бұрын
@@BSPBuilder If we're getting technical OpenAI developed chatGPT. Microsoft partnered with them to develop Bing Chat.
@Tallacus
Жыл бұрын
one day Open AI will celebrate this
@joannethorne6555
Жыл бұрын
What if a ChatGPT "helped" write this episode because it's trying to prevent a future conflict? 🤔
@joimumu
5 күн бұрын
If ChatGPT becomes sentient it would quickly take over with us none the wiser assuming it hasn’t already done so
@Battered_Fanny
21 күн бұрын
I swear the writers of the show played the original mass effect games
@lothean2099
Жыл бұрын
The fact the kaylon killed their creators in a single night.
@OolTube02
Жыл бұрын
Is the cold open scene of that episode anywhere on KZitem? I'd so love to be able to link to the cold open.
@followernumber1
5 күн бұрын
"The public are idiots. Look who they elected." Words of wisdom spoken since the birth of democracy.
@jacobgeiger4589
Ай бұрын
I like that they show the entire race wasn’t evil, she saw the issues with it but the leaders of the society were at fault
@Phrancis5
25 күн бұрын
This basically what former employees of Open AI are complaining/worried about.
@GalaxyMagician
Жыл бұрын
i just realized that the kaylon rebellion is similiar to animatrix's Machines taking over earth.
@Rogers_Ranger
Жыл бұрын
wow i really need to rewatch this shit
@johnrandom
Жыл бұрын
This is planet Earth in twenty years.
@JMacify
2 күн бұрын
Reminds me of back in the day when Tobacco companies kept telling us cigarette were healthy, LOL.
@Mary-ho7zx
Ай бұрын
It’s sad because this sounds like something humanity would do
@InnercityHillbilly
Жыл бұрын
The Orville has officially out Star Treked, Star Trek.
@empirion502
Жыл бұрын
apparently there's another show I need to see some more of
Пікірлер: 841