Reminds me of a comic I saw once where a guy is talking to an alien on a secret survey mission of Earth. The guy asks why the aliens haven't come forward publicly, and the alien tells him that humans first have to prove themselves mature enough to handle being a nuclear-capable society. The guy asks what the aliens will do to Earth if they _don't_ prove themselves mature enough, and the alien replies _"Oh, WE don't have to do anything at all. That problem takes care of itself."_
@ashleighelizabeth5916
Жыл бұрын
Scary isn't it?
@amzarnacht6710
Жыл бұрын
what text tags make 'itallics' in comments here?
@williamchamberlain2263
Жыл бұрын
@@amzarnacht6710 space-underscore-first character...last character-underscore-space The old wiki markup syntax.
@amzarnacht6710
Жыл бұрын
@@williamchamberlain2263 _Thanks!_
@David-gk2ml
Жыл бұрын
@@williamchamberlain2263 _like this?_
@misedout12
Жыл бұрын
I love that this puts a real-ish face to ignoring the "Prime Directive."
@peterjensen6844
3 ай бұрын
With a fantastic jump scare as a bonus.
@3adgamd3r
Ай бұрын
Star Trek rarely had the nuts to show the actual consequences of violating the Prime Directive, most of the time when they do it’s shown as “justified” and is never actually punished
@TurbanatorUK
27 күн бұрын
@@3adgamd3r Voyager, S7E21, Friendship One describes exactly the above video, an ancient Earth probe with knowledge on antimatter and other stuff was sent off into space. A race in the Delta Quadrant extracted this info to use antimatter for power plants, but they lost containment and destroyed the surface of their world. This was pre-prime directive of course. A crew member was also executed too, so they were punished in that sense.
@blunk778
5 күн бұрын
@@3adgamd3r who watches the watchers had a good showing. It almost tossed a society into the dark ages
@toddsmitts
Жыл бұрын
In retrospect, I'm surprised Kelly didn't bring up the fact that one planet created an entire religion around her, leading to centuries of war and division, all because she helped a little girl.
@cylontoaster7660
Жыл бұрын
She actually mentioned it very briefly earlier in the episode when they talked about not playing god, although she didn't go into any detail
@Nathan-ti9pm
Жыл бұрын
She’s most likely still uncomfortable talking about it not that I blame her I would be too as well
@gregoryt1139
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, well, Klyden cut her with that when they were arguing over Topa. I'm sure she was thinking about it.
@mundypeale1139
Жыл бұрын
I was surprised she didn't bring that up as well. That would have been another good point as to why they can't mingle with other civilzations that aren't where they are.
@Janx14
Жыл бұрын
In a way it makes sense she didn't. That episode would actually work in the other woman's favor. There cultural contamination DID happen but the species didn't destroy themselves.
@Alernategem
7 ай бұрын
The Orville is not just a Star Trek parody, it is the spiritual successor to it.
@erikhawkke4861
6 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@scottwilkins
6 ай бұрын
Roddenberry was such a great man.
@rubyangel2900
5 ай бұрын
YES
@petepanteraman
5 ай бұрын
Everything Oroville did might have been based on Star Trek but it had a great identity all it's own and did a better job with alien integration into society plus the fact that earth didn't start the union was also a big bonus for me. I loved Oroville and enjoy the Star Trek franchise.
@DRourkey
3 ай бұрын
@@petepanteramanI like how the ships had 3 loop prongs for the thrusters so you could maximize space and energy output and it really does seem like star trek ships 50 years after the original show
@martinb.1324
Жыл бұрын
"As a sign of collaboration and good will between our two species, we offered them a device capable of creating vast amounts of unlimited energy. We naively thought it would help them solve problems such as disease and poverty, but they used it to build weapons of mass destruction and make war. Bombs fell from the skies and scorched the earth, and in just one rotation of their world it had become a lifeless husk."
@Ragitsu
Жыл бұрын
The Tollan?
@coadacatalin4510
Жыл бұрын
@@Ragitsu Indeed.
@Hartzilla2007
Жыл бұрын
Of course then they got arrogant about less advanced species and it ended up getting them wiped out.
@ShadowIsatis
3 ай бұрын
@@Hartzilla2007 No one expected Anubis to start using tech upgraded with Ancient knowledge. Dude's been metagaming the whole time since he showed up.
@grimreaper2301
28 күн бұрын
What movie or show is that from?
@garethspotfur1
7 ай бұрын
kelly did this just right. she didn't yell, or berate. she just calmly showed why giving her people advanced tech was a noble but bad idea.
@ff3player
4 ай бұрын
"The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy… and a very correct one. History has proved again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous." - Picard
@GeorgeFriend79
2 ай бұрын
Nah, doesn't work with humans. The prime directive is not meant for human intelligence. The last 100 years is proof. By design, our consciousness was built to supersede everything and everybody. We're all gods to the everything else out there, and that's why they study us before we activate. And speaking of activation; that should have happened 100 years ago. Instead of waking up, somehow, we fell further into sleep; went backwards. That's how I know somebody is super jealous of human abilities. Or else there would have no Q episodes. No Traveler episodes.
@void2258
Ай бұрын
"And for that reason we are going to allow them to become extinct because our interference will inevitably be worse than that" - TNG writers missing the point.
@SD-vy7gj
29 күн бұрын
"Worst thing is you using blind luck to justify, you playing god"
@mikemaoudj4397
Жыл бұрын
If they aren’t renewing The Orville for season 4 and this was the last episode ever, it was an amazing last episode!! Let’s hope they decide to make more Orville tho
@MagnanimousEntropy
Жыл бұрын
I really hope so. This last season was great. To cancel this while the likes of Kurtzman Trek keeps getting renewed would be nothing short of a crime.
@honorcarrison6652
Жыл бұрын
Tyytttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
@jgvillan01
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I love how (if series finale), the Orville didn't have to end in such a high stakes cliffhanger. More of an emotional bond between beings, giving the audience an ending where...:not to worry...it would work itself out in the end".
@SicilianStealth
Жыл бұрын
I've been following this since season 1 I hope there is a season 4 it's well done with humor built in.
@BYERE
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully they’ll announce a season 4 at D23 in a month’s time
@STho205
Жыл бұрын
Mercer was basically a prop in this episode and most of the season. He only got one feature. That shows MacFarlane has matured in his production to be able to step back and let the other actors have big roles. You have been helpful Sober Man. You may go now.
@p5ych0p4th
Жыл бұрын
Well he directed half of the episodes. That always reduces the role you can play. But he probably knows, he doesn’t really measure up to the rest of the cast, when it comes to acting ability. So he just wrote them some killer scenes and stepped back. That’s the captain you want to have! 😁
@colonelquack
Жыл бұрын
@@p5ych0p4th Aces in their places. And wise to know when that ace isn't you.
@fairview3725
Жыл бұрын
This is my little theory. If The Orville gets more seasons, Ed will get promoted to admiral. Seth will still have some scene time, but he will be able to focus more on writing and directing. Kelly will be made captain of the Orville, which is why I think they gave Adrianne so much more screen time and more involved in the stories than previous seasons.
@colonelquack
Жыл бұрын
@@fairview3725 I think it would be more universe changing if he leaves the fleet to raise his daughter. The Hard Decision, so to speak. The one thing he wanted all his life, he'll give up. Something like, "what is all this, if I can't share it with my daughter" or something heartfelt.
@malcolmmorin
Жыл бұрын
That was his intention. He didn't want The Orville to be just about Ed and everyone else is a side character; he wanted every single character in the show to have a degree of importance, no matter how big or small. Ed may be the Captain, but the Orville's crew is one whole family, where every life matters.
@joshuasmith3249
7 ай бұрын
I love that this is the best explanation of Star Trek's Prime Directive I've ever seen.
@daddyleon
2 ай бұрын
Same, but at the same time it's also a travesty
@russell5078084
2 ай бұрын
I miss Trek when it was still Trek.
@Anynom
Жыл бұрын
Great work here and reminds me of a classic "Peanuts" line of Lucy: "There has never been more harm done than by those who thought they were doing the right thing. Five cents please."
@stefanschleps8758
7 ай бұрын
Lucy is wise beyond her years. The rest of us, not so much.
@JDog2656
2 ай бұрын
A gross misnomer
@tcroshon70
6 ай бұрын
Or like the old saying:"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
@user-lq1rp3tj8z
16 күн бұрын
I never cared for that saying because all good intentions go well as long as the people receiving them aren't power hungry shits.
@casualobserver7867
8 күн бұрын
The Divine Comedy! Inferno, I believe. Love that book. Especially, inferno. Although purgatorio and paradiso were good too.
@briguy4238
2 ай бұрын
"Beverly, the Prime Directive is not just a set of rules. It is a philosophy, and a very correct one. History has proved again and again, that whenever mankind interferes with a less-developed civilization - no matter how well-intentioned that interference may be - the results are invariably disastrous." Picard to Dr. Crusher in the turbolift in TNG episode "Symbiosis". But this scene from the Orville was far more powerful.
@Latinkuro
5 ай бұрын
Genius moments like these is what makes Orville so damn good.
@scottwilkins
6 ай бұрын
This was such a great show. So happy they took the Roddenberry ideals and kept them to heart.
@rahn45
Жыл бұрын
The Orville gave us what Star Trek didn't: An actual good reason for the "Prime Directive". Star Trek never really did present their Prime Directive very well, often it was an obstacle preventing the crew from taking the most obvious of choices in a situation; with most times the consequences of their actions would obviously be positive for all involved. That their takeaway lesson most times was "Rules were meant to be broken", but the Orville's version was a reminder to the Union "We destroyed an entire race of people with our good intentions."
@FekLeyrTarg
7 ай бұрын
There was one TNG episode which I think showed pretty well why the Prime Directive exists: "Who Watches the Watchers". By treating a wounded Mintankan aboard the Enterprise and because the memory eraser didn't work, the Mintankans started building a religion around Captain Picard thinking he was some sort of supernatural god. Picard solved this situation by revealing himself and showing the Mintankans he's just like any mortal who can't bring back the dead and is vulnerable himself.
@mobulis
4 ай бұрын
Sorry but they destroyed themselves.
@Blondesax
2 ай бұрын
This came up a lot in Enterprise. They were winging it a lot and there were some hard choices that needed a guiding philosophy and didn’t have one.
@Celtic_Blade
22 күн бұрын
@@mobulisIf you give two five year olds a gun and they shoot each other, YOU killed them. Because you gave ignorants a device they could not understand.
@Lanceawright
21 күн бұрын
Agreed. Gene was pulling stuff out of his imagination which inspired numerous creative minds to fill in the potholes. Many people are clinging to this 20th Century mythology based on its story origins from the single voice of the story teller. Through their work, we have such a wondrous palette of interpretations based off of the same sets of events. Let's enjoy them all. In short, make the story better.
@GopherBaroque61
Жыл бұрын
In less than 4 minutes, The Orville explained Star Trek's Prime Directive (General Order One) better than any Star Trek episode ever did. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds came close in episode one, but that only explained what happened to Earth with nuclear power, not interfering with another less developed culture. And, yes, before you ask, I have watch every single (canon) Star Trek episode and movie there is.
@marcos-ll2yr
Жыл бұрын
Nice, I think Orville is more close to Star Strek than the new official series. But Strange New Worlds is ok.
@cylontoaster7660
Жыл бұрын
They also did an overall much better job of explaining how a Post Scarcity society works than Star Trek did in this episode as well. I liked how it simply came down to the definition of currency changed to reputation/deeds/achievement from physical money and goods after they discovered a way to basically synthesize matter
@dmi6101
Жыл бұрын
In fairness, in Star Trek you have people rebelling against the laws. It's a pretty boring show if the message is 'This law is 100% correct and shouldn't be broken'.
@Hartzilla2007
Жыл бұрын
Pike wasn't justifying The Prime Directive since it was too late for that he was doing damage control to keep a planet from probably destroying itself.
@adrianvanleeuwen
Жыл бұрын
I agree the very best explanation of why the prime directive exists in Trek and the Union's version of it in the Orville. I never totally understood why it was so important until now. In some cases though, outsiders can try to help a society without revealing themselves nor giving them their tech, for humanitarian reasons.
@MM22966
6 ай бұрын
Nice little exposition on the Prime Directive and the perils of First Contact.
@vizpop18
Жыл бұрын
And truth is, Humanity would do exactly the same if we were ever in the same situation, as the people of Gendel 3.
@ColdNapalm42
Жыл бұрын
That is kinda the point.
@AllyMonsters
Жыл бұрын
@@ColdNapalm42 While it is the point, you have to remember that reality doesn't work like fiction. Their version of the prime directive is in response to something that happened in their universe under certain conditions that was made to fit the plot and the "lesson" they wanna teach.
@jenniferstewarts4851
Жыл бұрын
@@AllyMonsters The same thing has happened on earth in the past... and present. advanced tech, medicine, ways of food protection, even farm machinery, are introduced into area's... And wars break out, local factions fight over them, how to use them, who can use them. one group will then say something, say food given, is poisoned, and anyone who eats it will become infertile.. causing hatred and mistrust. People will starve, while the government "saves" who they want.
@thegrimmretails3777
Жыл бұрын
You don't think it's happening now?
@joeyblakely4196
Жыл бұрын
@@AllyMonsters nah dude humans would fuck shit up with that I mean our track record is not fantastic lol
@may86bear
Жыл бұрын
I think that an Orville theatrical movie would be Amazing. Seth MacFarlane is a very gifted writer/ actor and could make a Great movie based on his baby The Orville 👏
@JP-pp2tn
Жыл бұрын
i wouldn't mind something like that just an hour to an hour and half would be good
@OptimusWombat
Жыл бұрын
I think the current format already works extremely well. Each episode in S3 clocked in at well over an hour, and that's without any sort of commercial breaks. Each episode had enough time to tell the story fully but without feeling bloated.
@josephososkie3029
2 ай бұрын
The acting and direction are great. The cinematography is superb. The writing is full of holes.
@Ballin4Vengeance
Күн бұрын
@@JP-pp2tn The episodes are each over an hour long already
@riogrande5761
6 ай бұрын
I didn't watch Orville until earlier this year,. I really liked it and hope it gets renewed for more seasons!
@waveman0
Жыл бұрын
this was the best season yet, The Orville has hit its stride and found its legs maturing into a fantastic show, this is how Star Trek should have been.
@jamesm568
Жыл бұрын
It was...at one time.
@thomasjoseph5876
Жыл бұрын
I have to respectfully disagree. This season seemed like more of a sci-fi soap opera and a budget-cut season by the heavy use of their standard sets on the ship. The show where they went back in time was ok but that was about it for good episodes. The show they got trapped in a 21st-century high school sucked.
@MegaAndyGG
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasjoseph5876 Cry
@thomasjoseph5876
Жыл бұрын
@@MegaAndyGG I'm sorry you are crying about my factual opinion. I'm sure you will survive. Do you need a tissue??? Perhaps we all got spoiled from season 2 and how awesome that was and anything short of that is a letdown??? If you understood anything about how tv shows and movies are produced, you would see how correct I am.
@diosbatman
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasjoseph5876 I respect your wrong opinion
@anthonyballard6691
Жыл бұрын
I guess one of the saddest things about such a great show is that the only way to keep it a great show is to go out before it deteriorates. The Orville certainly left me wanting more!
@mattmanw54301
4 ай бұрын
In one scene, Seth sums up the reason for the Prime directive
@reviewchan9806
3 ай бұрын
The true spirit of the prime directive is actually a message from humanity to humanity. A lot of people scoff at the idea of the prime directive and think of it as stupid practicality reasons, but I think they're missing the point. It's saying that no one is going to magically reach out and help humanity out of its dystopian pitfalls, instead it is up to us to do it ourselves first. It's fundamentally a message of hope and willpower that we can be better, in hopes of one day we do meet a better standard for ourselves.
@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459
Жыл бұрын
liked their take on the Prime Directive and why it exists, civilizations need to figure everything out themselves. I hope we get an episode where the Orville makes first contact with a civilization that has become Quantum capable. I hope Lysella lives long enough to see her world mature ethically and technologically and become Quantum capable. Renew the Orville!
@captainrope1452
Жыл бұрын
they already did the in the same episode
@b.s.864
Жыл бұрын
@@captainrope1452 Not sure what episode you were watching. They did not make any first contacts in this episode.
@captainrope1452
Жыл бұрын
@@b.s.864 In season 1 where the office we see in this video heal a girl and started a religious because of what she did
@idontno0
Жыл бұрын
Like the federations rules in star trek? This seems like a star trek knock off.
@captainrope1452
Жыл бұрын
@@idontno0 well it Star Trek but more on comedy and better write characters
@jeremy1860
Жыл бұрын
Orville did something here that Trek, in all its many decades, never succeeded in doing. It actually convinced me that the Prime Directive is a good idea 😅
@valueofnothing2487
Жыл бұрын
There's another episode where they offer to introduce technology to become a rapidly advanced society where they cure poverty, hunger and disease. You're really doing this for a dramatic story with characters, not exposition and 'explanation'.
@jaygee6738
Жыл бұрын
TNG... "who watches the watchers?" That was a pretty good one.
@jeremy1860
Жыл бұрын
@@jaygee6738 Oh, definitely. Probably one of TNGs best. But then, that's no surprise, given that it came from the show's high point of season three 😊
@harvbegal6868
Жыл бұрын
"Helping" a less advanced civilization by a more advanced one is certainly possible. But it would require complete occupation and control of the entire world for a while.
@Shadow25720
Жыл бұрын
But I still don't understand why they did not develop technologies and methods that are just advanced enough to help them provide their basic needs, but nothing advanced enough to build weapons of mass destruction. Like development workers do in Africa. Not a single country could develop weapons from what they teached them. They even could tell them that they can get more of the advanced stuff over time, once they have a functional democracy and human rights. This way they could ensure that they are not developing towards a dictatorship with spaceships and advanced weapons like the Krill, Mocklans etc.
@ComputerGarageLLC
Жыл бұрын
thank you. I was looking for this scene (yesterday). Perfectly explains why 1.) we cant have nice things, 2.) why the aliens have never visited us.
@nelsonchereta816
7 ай бұрын
Reminds me of an episode of TNG where Riker is on a survey mission before first contact. He gets injured and ends up being discovered by the locals. The leaders of the planet decide to forgo first contact because their society is just not ready for it. I like the idea that there are some times when the best thing you can possibly do is nothing.
@Phantom19913
4 ай бұрын
I dislike the message because it clear the global unity of the planet was shattered and any reforms he tries to enact will be shut down or never be enacted. Never underestimate how a crisis can affect the development of a people. Lies and secrets can be more disastrous in the long term because it shatters the peoples trust in their leaders. By covering it up he has signed his own death warrant. Its also ignoring the lessons from earths own first contact with the Vulcans humans had just spent 16 years blowing each other eco terrorists augments trying to seize on the chaos for their own goals. Then in the end the war didn't end as their was no one left to fight surviving governments had gone into hiding soldiers became raiders and crackpot scientist built a warp core out in an old nuclear silo. Suddenly earth pulled itself back together goverments were rebuilt reforms enacted to end the problems that had plagued them for thousands of years. It wasn't because Zephram Cockrane built a warp capable ship it was humanity learned they were not alone and finally discovered a common cause for everyone to work towards.
@LGranthamsHeir
Жыл бұрын
Gendel 3 is apparently the planet where "The Walking Dead" was set 😉😊
@ultra6671
2 ай бұрын
This one scene somehow did a better job at explaining the Prime Directive than almost every Star Trek series.
@peaveyst7
5 ай бұрын
the problem is that people do not simply want a better life. they want a better life as the rest of the people. we define us by how much better our life is compared to others...
@mbitetto67
Жыл бұрын
This show has certainly changed a lot since it was on Fox..... and for the better!
@JP-pp2tn
Жыл бұрын
agree
@jaygee6738
Жыл бұрын
yeah.. the urination jokes were wearing a bit thin.
@OptimusWombat
Жыл бұрын
Even when it was on Fox it was steadily evolving. For sure, Season 3 took things to a whole new level, but there were plenty of excellent thought-provoking episodes during the show's initial run, especially once they got past the need for inserting throw-away jokes every few minutes.
@Awfulwriter
3 ай бұрын
"Strict laws were put into place when it came to cultural contamination...in some universes they call this the 'Prime Directive'"
@salmanahmadsiddiqui6026
7 ай бұрын
One of the best scenes in all sci-fi demonstrating the destructive use of technology beyond a cultures understanding level. Brilliant
@sgabriel
2 ай бұрын
You had me at "I want to show you something..".
@void2258
5 ай бұрын
The Orville did more to justify the Prime Directive in this one scene than Star trek has ever done.
@DefaOmega
Жыл бұрын
A fair argument for The Prime Directive and what not. Let civilizations develope in their own time, without outside influence. Quite well done, imo
@AllyMonsters
Жыл бұрын
I would say it is a good argument, but one that we don't really have much to compare with reality of our time. If you look at say island nations of WW2, none of them really imploded by the technology we introduced into them. Now sure, there were other effects we didn't think about, such as planes and the cargo being viewed as religious icons and a kind of dependency that also comes with it.
@peteryang8991
Жыл бұрын
Not to sound offensive, but this is exactly what happened during the Age of Enlightenment. As we know prior to the industrial revolution Asia is centuries more advance compare to the west. During the 10th century where Asia is already using fire arm and most got a 1st world economy the west on the other hand...not doing too well, even the Arabs despite 1st world status in economy military is still not doing too well, it started to change during the Mongol Empire era, where the Mongols introduced fire arms into the west, india and arabic world. We see the initial affect, Europe not ready to handle the power of these new weapons started the colonial age in Africa and America. At this stage the Europeans are one sided victory, so the only people getting harm is the natives. And to be honest, if the Asians export these weapon to the natives, based on the history of native Americans and African tribes of the time, they probably destroy each other with it, anyway. But during the late 17th century China introduced a free trade policy to boost the economy. This had rapid change due to Asia had more to offer the world and the world got little to offer Asia. In addition, China as the most powerful country in Asia in most of its history got even more to offer. In the short run it actually destroy Europe's economy. For example, the reason we call silverwear china today is because the Chinese can produce them at higher quality at a fraction of the price compare to local European manufacture. But, it also allow Europeans access to technology beyond limitation of European of the time, it is like if aliens come to earth and introduce things allowing Europeans to think of things they would never thought of (or kind of like in Terminator 2 the remain terminator chip from the future gave AI developer so much ideas.) But, Europe of the time isn't ready to handle this sort of power responsibly, and it literally led to the disaster of WW1 and the chain reaction led to Hitler WW2, rise of Soviet Union and the cold war. Even till date, we still see the chain reaction influence with China and North Korea still under communist party control and North Korea is nuke trigger happy. Taliban won't have rise if the Soviet Union didn't try to invade Afghanistan in the 80s. In Africa they got same problem tribal society not ready to handle this sort of technology led to continue civil war and political instability due to access to modern firearms. Most of these militia's weapon standard is nothing compare to most military in the rest of the world, sometimes even cops got better equipment. But, most of Africa is still in stone age or semi stone age, so in that region that is very advance and we see those weapons been used abusively by warlords. I mean, how is the local Chieftain's army equip with only shield and spear going to be a match against the warlords equip with Ak47? And when the Chieftain ask the international community for help they got no help. The US literally only need to send one regiment of infantry and it is sufficient to wipe out the warlords, but nobody is helping.
@AllyMonsters
Жыл бұрын
@@peteryang8991 It's easy to say giving weapons to a different group of people is harmful, but honestly, how many times do you hear of a country collapsing from technological introduction apart from weapons though? Like say introducing an electricity grid.
@tristanlau1213
Жыл бұрын
We're already destroying ourselves with the technology of our times. Pretty sure 31st century technology would make it even worse.
@peteryang8991
Жыл бұрын
@@AllyMonsters Because all technology can be used for war. For example, train and telegram is the main reason why the North won the civil war. In the army combat units are nothing without logistic backing them up. And during the Civil war, telegram allow information to be transmitted between officers faster and train let logistic guys sending supply to combat unit guys faster. The South is still relying on horses to supply the combat unit troops. As a result, a lot of time, the soldiers on the front line are literally starving while, on the other side the North's soldiers are having Xmas party. We see that in war also, in less develop military an ordinary Toyota Ute with a machine gun mounted to the back is sufficient to be use for calvary or ordinary truck can be for logistic supply. It might not be like the military grade jeeps of the US armed forces, but, ordinary cars still get the job done. One of the reason the Mongols is such a head ach for the Chinese is because Mongolia is the best place to breed horses in the world. In the ancient world horse = speed and flexibility. That is why the Chinese had to build the great war. Because, without it the Chinese got no idea where the Mongol will attack. The Chinese might got superior fire arm, but they lack horses. It force Chinese to defense using the great wall as a man made barrier. If we give electric grid to an ancient culture, that will also be a powerful weapon. For example, they can just build a lake around the castle and put electric wire into it and that will make it harder for enemy to cross. Dealing with the knight, their armor are made of metal, you can image how easy it be to electrocute them via booby traps. It reminded me of a Chinese comedy about an modern guy accidentally travel to ancient time, his only weapon of defense is a taser and he is able to defeat a whole bunch of people using this weapon.
@mattmanw54301
4 ай бұрын
This also seems the most likely answer to fermis paradox
@ktrimbach5771
3 ай бұрын
The MOST likely is that Life doesn’t evolve spontaneously - we are alone in the Universe.
@lochness5524
3 ай бұрын
@@ktrimbach5771 then by your logic we shouldn’t be here either. U seriously believe that in a universe spanning billions of light years that this single is it isn’t speck of dust we call earth would be the only planet to have developed life?
@AllyBubblesSpriggs
2 ай бұрын
I knew that scare was coming, i still jumped...
@RonEmpire
Жыл бұрын
That jump scare moment was good. Lol
@FemboyTyco
Жыл бұрын
LOL i was legit looking in the background going "Omg what happened here?!" then BOOM!! I loved it.
@imho2278
Жыл бұрын
Why was that person alive and full of energy in a world with nothing left alive?
@swaggerfm9838
Жыл бұрын
I jumped out of my seat lol
@CT-uv8os
Жыл бұрын
@@imho2278 Canned food.
@RonEmpire
Жыл бұрын
@@imho2278 simulation
@DarthHao
Жыл бұрын
1:02 “They called me a madman, but what I predicted came to pass.” Hope this show gets renewed for season 4!
@velocity5249
Жыл бұрын
Congratulations you’re a prophet…
@DarthHao
Жыл бұрын
@@velocity5249 I’m a survivor…
@jacobharris954
7 ай бұрын
In time you what like to lose
@theblitz9
9 күн бұрын
IMO, one of the greatest ever scenes in a sci-fi series.
@buddabudda
6 ай бұрын
Picard - whistling innocently.
@joshtrom01
3 ай бұрын
i wish we could get the next season already. wtf. this was gold.
@savagebear4374
4 ай бұрын
Keep in mind Kelly herself did this in an earlier episode.
@mopedmike8317
3 ай бұрын
They should at least bring this show back as movie love this show
@TheMule71
2 ай бұрын
The real problem with the Prime Directive (here and in Star Trek) is the optimistic assumption that everything will be fine if you leave it untouched. The way I see it is that lack of perfect knowledge of the future, lack of full understanding of the consequences is no excuse for not acting, which is the implication here. It's hubris. It's the idea that you CAN have perfect knowledge. That you CAN have full understanding of the consequences. Think of combat medics. They operate in constant emergency with minimal diagnostic means and even less time to employ them. For each 99 lives they save, there's 1 they actively kill by means of wrong diagnosis or other mistakes. When you're in an emergency you don't have the time or the means for a perfect assessment of the situation. But you can't let those 99 to die just because you fear that 1 you may kill making an inevitable mistake under those conditions. The hubris is in thinking that surgeons in a hospital are in a different situation. They are not. The ratios are just different. They usually have more time and better diagnostic means. Maybe they can save 9999 people before they kill one. It makes sense to do your best to improve that ratio, still it can't be perfect. You can't control everything. That's no excuse for doing nothing tho. The same happens with civilization in these science fiction shows. Many just die. Yes, there may be 1 that you actively help destroying themselves but what about the other 99 that you'd save with your intervention? They often mention extinct civilizations. They never mention - not once - extinct civilizations that they may have helped and didn't because of the Prime Directive. The Prime Directive is "do nothing, just stand there and watch, because you don't know the whole extent of the consequences of your actions". Yeah, that's always the case. Nobody has the luxury of knowing in full the future. We all operate based on our current best guess.
@toddsmitts
7 ай бұрын
If this were a Season 1 episode, you just know someone would've made a joke about the early Union explorers taking up a missionary position. ;)
@jackieanderson9408
7 ай бұрын
Finally. I have found this scene. Beautiful.👍
@johnwang9914
3 ай бұрын
What most people miss out on is that this also applies to supporting your friends and family. You can't "solve" their problems for them, no one knows their problems better than they do, you can only be there to help them find the courage to solve their problems for themselves, anything else just enables them and allows them to differ judgement and responsibility to others. That's why stepping in never works and always makes everything worse. Listen, be a shoulder to cry upon but don't advise and certainly don't say what you think should be done, give them strength, don't take their strength away...
@ktrimbach5771
3 ай бұрын
People need to want to fix their lives. But frequently people need other peoples’ help to overcome their struggles. “No man is an island complete in himself.”
@keithtorgersen9664
7 ай бұрын
Hard to believe it was almost 20 years ago when Adrienne Palicki started to gain fame. I remember one of her first roles was the clone of Kara Zor-El in Smallville back in season 3.
@marcos-ll2yr
Жыл бұрын
this is the great filter theory. In our real world, this decade seems to be our "test".
@thezone5840
4 ай бұрын
“The trial never ends”….
@p5ych0p4th
Жыл бұрын
Man, that jumpscare 😁
@scottianson5133
2 ай бұрын
The Orville is the continuation of Star Trek that I, and I'm very certain the majority of fans wanted. It was crass, and the humour was at times cringe, but in it's heart was a serious love letter to the Star Trek.
@underarmbowlingincidentof1981
3 ай бұрын
someone programmed that jumpscare ghoul lmao
@CoolsBreeze
Жыл бұрын
I love how they actually gave a reason for this policy of non-interference. I wish they would explore past worlds that the union helped in the past.
@williamerazo3921
7 ай бұрын
A perfect reason for prime directive
@matthewnace8473
6 ай бұрын
It’s a crime this show didn’t get a fourth season
@MountainRaven1960
7 ай бұрын
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
@taliverdeltd7304
Жыл бұрын
Just as good an episode as ST:TNG's "Who watches the watchers".
@margiepenn5044
Жыл бұрын
Loved this episode with all the little quirks. Love the Orville. I have noticed how they have evolved from season 1 to season 3. This season has been an amazing one and my hat goes off to Macfarland...you have grown.
@penningtonknickernacker921
7 ай бұрын
"Evolve..." you mean Devolve. Started out funny, ended up a sad Star Trek clone.
@johngoodwin2384
6 ай бұрын
I want more Orville.
@YourFoodBank
5 ай бұрын
Did a better job of explaining something akin to the prime directive than 50 years of Star Trek
@JoshSweetvale
3 ай бұрын
Stargate did it pretty good. A group of humans with antimatter and phasing tech built antimatter power stations for the people living on their moon, who were at about Industrial Revolution era technology. The primitives managed to breach one of the reactors. Pop went the moon, and the advanced culture's home planet with it.
@tred6292
7 ай бұрын
Send this video to someone who questions the Prime Directive.
@PaiSAMSEN
Жыл бұрын
One thing I like about the Orville is how they explain some of the concept that began in Star Trek, but explained in a much clearer way, first with how post-scarcity society work, and now with Prime Directive. Though, one big complain I have, the only one I have for this episode......Was the jump scare really necessary?
@HeavyMetalAlicorn
Жыл бұрын
Ask yourself this, if you were a writer/Showrunner, could you resist? 😉 (Oh and absolutely agree on your points concerning Post-Scarity and the Prime Directive)
@ncknwmn
Жыл бұрын
Maybe it was a way of showing that not even the survivors of war escape unscathed, now nothing more than diseased scavengers.
@p5ych0p4th
Жыл бұрын
Probably not but it is one of the best ones I’ve seen in years 😁
@danielyeshe
Жыл бұрын
The one question I have about post scarcity is how they get people to do the worst jobs. Do those people get issued a bigger living space? Possible I suppose.
@matthewricker5526
Жыл бұрын
There are two posible explanations for that, first those jobs more or less no longer exist or second there are enough people that genuinely enjoy doing those jobs that it’s not an issue. For example depending on how the synthesizer works trash and dishes might not be a thing anymore, assuming it can deconstruct the dirty dishes and any trash…
@tigerchamorro
3 ай бұрын
Loved this episode
@bryanlarson1605
3 ай бұрын
This along with the clip of Capt. Pike's speech at the end of ST:SNW S1x01 are good cases for why first contact has to happen only when the society is has its crap together
@ComputerGarageLLC
Жыл бұрын
Request: the Quantum Core where Kelly says you get all this because of this. It further enhances this scene.
@TechBearSeattle
7 ай бұрын
For all that the show was conceived as a parody of Star Trek, The Orville has tacked issues bigger than Paramount was willing to take on, and far better than Star Trek ever did.
@erikhawkke4861
6 ай бұрын
I don't know . I think "A Piece of The Action" was pretty clear about it. It wasn't so blunt.. but it didn't mince it's message either.
@TechBearSeattle
6 ай бұрын
@@erikhawkke4861 - Star Trek TOS and the first few seasons of TNG were pretty good about this, but that was because Roddenberry was at the helm. Most of the original series episodes tackled important social issues such as racism, corporate greed, poverty, and so on. Early episodes of TNG were the same: I mean, the series opening looked at the enslavement of sentient beings for profit. Roddenberry's health issues led to a diminished role in TNG seasons 2 and 3, with a corresponding decline in the series tackling social issues. DS9 started after his death, and it abandoned his idealism and values entirely in favor of capitalism, war, and action scenes.
@TheJTMcDaniel
4 ай бұрын
Sometimes I wonder, was the show really conceived as a Star Trek parody, or was it just marketed to Fox that way? Granted, there were comedic elements since that was what was expected, but even the first show had a serious core story.
@erikhawkke4861
4 ай бұрын
@@TheJTMcDaniel I think the third season and Identity were what Seth really wanted to make.
@cyradus
Жыл бұрын
Giorgia Whigham is that perfect mix of cute and beautiful at the same time. Love her.
@gandalfgreyhame3425
6 ай бұрын
This is a repeat of the story of the Watchers, who were these super powerful alien beings in the old Marvel Comics. I think the story appeared in an issue of the Fantastic Four comic series, which was where the Watchers appeared the most frequently. In one comic issue, a Watcher recounted the Origin Story of their rationale for why they only watched and observed the human beings on Earth, and resolutely refused to intervene, and the story was just like this one about Grendel 3 - once upon a time, long ago, the Watchers had found a world with a developing intelligent species, and they decided to share all of their high technology and knowledge in order to help this species transition faster to an even higher level of function and stability. Instead, this species used that knowledge and technology to develop weapons of war that destroyed their entire world. The few survivors at the end went to the Watchers and accused them - you did this! You caused this!
@josephhicks6445
Жыл бұрын
Humans have a bad habit of enforced help
@trowawayacc
Жыл бұрын
Slavery was a 100% overseas employment program. But befefits were shit.
@jeffjr84
Жыл бұрын
wow.. yeah they explained that better than star trek.. and also paralleled some problems we are having as well.. that was powerful.
@RADARTechie
6 ай бұрын
This show was more star trek than star trek is.
@PuppetierMaster
Жыл бұрын
Kelly is by far her own Captain in a way but she is more than that, she's the perfect advisor of wisdom and intelligence. As well as, you hurt my crew or my family - you're done kind of _stay out of my way no-nonesense ass kicker._ Love this show so much ♥
@porsche9144uify
Жыл бұрын
If Seth doesn't want to continue the Orville, Captain Mercer can get promoted to Admiralty and work at Union Central. I think the rest of the crew (actors) could, and would, continue the mission. Please let there be a season 4. Took 3 seasons to see into almost each character's lives, now its just getting to be a real family/crew.
@freshFerdinand
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure making the Orville is McFarlanes dream job, but because covid screwed them over, he had to look for other projects.
@porsche9144uify
Жыл бұрын
@@freshFerdinand I totally agree, but have you seen the viewership numbers for season 3? MASSIVE increase. Its just sad you really start to get into a show wanting more and thats where they end. Thanks for the comment.
@JP-pp2tn
Жыл бұрын
i don't think it's up to seth, it's up to disney to renew it
@freshFerdinand
Жыл бұрын
@@JP-pp2tn He recently said in an interview that it will be determined by the D+ numbers.
@mamaboz
Жыл бұрын
Seth is the writer and producer. It is really up to him if he continues . The cast was released from their contracts in August of 2021. They would have a problem getting them back to do a 4th season..The special effects are very costly. So there are several obstacles they would have to over come. Not only that since they havent started filming 4th season it will be 2 more years before it would be out. I just want to know what is up with Mercers daughter.....That is the story line that I am upset about. Her and Topa growing up together would be awesome. May be a full length movie is what I have heard. Star Terk didnt become big until they did the movies. We can only hope.....There just are not enough good wholesome tv shows out there.
@BobMinelli
26 күн бұрын
LOVE it!
@albertorafaelcisnerosperfe4899
3 ай бұрын
Fantastic 😊❤
@overbank56
5 ай бұрын
This scene exemplifies about what would happen on earth right now if (we) don't change the way we think & act. , minus any advanced technology
@ktrimbach5771
3 ай бұрын
We’re destroying ourselves quite adequately with releasing “the big one”.
@johnwong5317
11 сағат бұрын
Already cultural contamination, but in this case we have Chy na which basically hide all the negative things and then convince most US's universities to follow as proven in the last few years. The bad actors preying on people and make massive profits while chanting "save the planet".
@yamagata008
Жыл бұрын
That jump scare was priceless. It had me screaming like a tyro!
@GarredHATES
Жыл бұрын
God, I hope we get more seasons
@jatigre1
7 ай бұрын
This is Star Trek
@SicilianStealth
Жыл бұрын
Just saw this episode about a half an hour ago I like the fact that they brought her back from a previous episode as I've done with a few others
@maaderllin
Жыл бұрын
We all agree that this scene, and the B Plot of this episode in general better explores the reason behind Star Trek's Prime Directive than both ST:TNG's episode "Who watches the watchers" and Orville's episode "Mad Idolatry". And it does that better because, while keeping Star Trek's optimism, it does it in a more grounded, more sociologically sound way: Technological advancement doesn't necessarily means social progress. We are led to believe, in Star Trek, that technology allowing people to have almost unlimited energy and matter puts them in a post-scarcity society and THEREFORE they can become better than they were and stop pursuing selfish accumulation. In this episode, Cmdr Grayson clearly states that if we got "replicators" in our current 2022, the ultra-rich would restricti its access to make sure they can profit from it. Social progress and technological progress are linked but must influence each other mutually and gradually. Technology won't fix the problems of our society by itself. And this is a message many "Tech-bros" should hear.
@Chu8rock
Жыл бұрын
It also explains how a society without currency works in a better way than Star Trek ever did.
@maaderllin
Жыл бұрын
@@Chu8rock Yeah it totally did. And this reminds me of the forms of Capital elaborated by Pierre Bourdieu. For Pierre Bourdieu, "Capital" is more than just economic power. It is all form of influences individuals try to gain consciously or not. There is economic capital of course, wich is the most rewarded in our current society and is the form of Capital Marx talked about in his works But there are also Cultural, Social and Symbolic Capital. Cultural capital is the amount of understanding of concepts, the number of diplomas, everything that will allow someone to be listened more easily by other people because they will assume they know their stuff. Social capital is the number relationships and networks of people you know and can rely on. If you are, for example, member of a little organisation that needs to print some leaflets, the one person with the social capital knowing someone in another organisation that has access to a free printer just made themselves crucial to the organisation, just because they know someone. Symbolic capital is a form of aggregation of all forms of capital that is percieved to be owned by someone. When Kelly explains that they trade in reputation, it really does sound like they use some form of symbolic capital minus the economic part. They trade by talking positively about someone to help them get a position, by having talents that people will require for help, etc.
@Shadow25720
Жыл бұрын
But I still don't understand why they did not develop technologies and methods that are just advanced enough to help them provide their basic needs, but nothing advanced enough to build to build weapons of mass destruction. Like development workers do in Africa. Not a single country could develop weapons from what they teached them. They even could tell them that they can get more of the advanced stuff over time, once they have a functional democracy and human rights. This way they could ensure that they are not developing towards a dictatorship with spaceships and advanced weapons like the Krill, Mocklans etc.
@Chu8rock
Жыл бұрын
@@Shadow25720 You can't skip childhood. Those societal growing pains are necessary to the development of a culture.
@RavenCloak13
Жыл бұрын
@@Shadow25720 Except those things they are giving in Africa make them dependent not independent. Not to mention you'd be surprised what kind of weapons and power such things can generate when you apply the resources and tools a bit differently.
@CitanulsPumpkin
7 ай бұрын
It's insane that the series finale of The Orville is the first time any sci-fi property or franchise has adequately and clearly defined the need and value of Star Trek's "Prime Directive."
@yissnakklives8866
7 ай бұрын
There's an offshoot of this thought pattern in David Weber's "Mutineers Moon" and "Armageddon Inheritance"
@Raja1938
6 ай бұрын
Trek has done it many times, but it was always done verbally.
@QuarkGamingLLC
2 ай бұрын
The way she explained it made it sound like they should've just stayed to guide them. Like they literally just dumped their tech on a planet and said "goodluck, bye!" and then got all shocked when it was turned into a weapon. That's like putting a butter knife in a room of children without supervision and then deciding to ban all butter knives because they, of course, ended up stabbing eachother. I get they needed a prime directive ananlogue but that's not that muhc better of a reason than ST's "it's their destiny" type shit. Just... teach them?
@davido.1233
7 ай бұрын
I knew that jumpscare was coming, still scared me!
@akashshetty5112
Жыл бұрын
We need a season 4!!!
@darylesells19
Жыл бұрын
This one episode made me really like this character Lysella, usually the standard fish out of water person adjusting to a new life gets old, but this worked very well. Her intentions for her people were pure and the lesson she and by extension we learned was a hard pill to swallow.
@BlokeOnAMotorbike
Жыл бұрын
powerful scene.
@voluntarism335
Жыл бұрын
Except it's utterly bs, we don't see this when we give Africa technology they do not have.
@00dfm00
23 күн бұрын
Wish Star Trek universe had a moment like this rather than being hazy about it.
@stephenfarthing3819
Жыл бұрын
That's not easy. In many ways, we're still growing up.and we've got a lot still to learn. No matter how well intended it was to try to help the people of this planet. The Planetary Union learnt that covert observation was the best way to get a planet to advance sufficiently. No overt influence and no giving of advanced technologies. This was the Union's darkest time. In the Star Trek universe - Jonathan Archer learnt the hard way that well meaning interference could be detrimental. It killed a third sex and an unborn baby. It was sheer luck that it didn't lead to instellar war. This was in the 22nd Century with the Star Trek time line. We're still growing up. We've come a long way. But we're still on a very long and awkward path. And we have difficulties aplenty. We've learnt some lessons. But the truth is. That we have a great deal still to learn. I've learnt some lessons. And the mistakes that have taught me that! Will NOT be forgotten!!!!
@RyanCunningham
Жыл бұрын
And the biggest responsibility is to make sure that the lessons are remembered and learned from, and not forgotten
@stephenfarthing3819
Жыл бұрын
@@RyanCunningham I concur with your assessment and agree!
@JaxFPrime81
Жыл бұрын
What's this "we" shit? It's just a TV show, not real life. I swear, it's like millennials can't get a grasp on what is real and not real.
@stephenfarthing3819
Жыл бұрын
Hmm - another unoptimistic voice - well, if this upsets him. I don't care tuppence! Reading it as it is, and seeing how much it works out in general - is one of creation's gifts to us to have reasoning to figure it out and reach supporting conclusions. To dismiss it blindly, is a insult to that capacity. If one person, who wants to dismiss it, has the potential right to do so. But it doesn't rule out that fact! To arrogantly discounting it - is simply unwise! We all want better. But I know that it's going to take a long haul. We've had tears recently and grief. That's part of the package. But optimistically, we will get there. It could take many centuries. And it won't be easy.
@phillipmccauley7744
Жыл бұрын
It's scary how The Orville is better at being Star Trek than a number of actual Star Trek shows.
@jonsouth1545
Жыл бұрын
Both in front of and behind the camera there is a lot of talent from the 90s era of Trek, so many former Trek Actors, writers, and producers from the Pre-JJAbrams Trekverse have contributed to the show.
@tomaszwitkowski9507
7 ай бұрын
I think, that Orville has grown enough, while Star Trek has fallen low enough, so there is no longer valid to take Star Trek as a point of reference to Orville. In fact, it's other way around now, especially with star trek new canons - jarjarabramsverse/bad reboot and that other one (discovery and not-picard)
@whydontyouhandledeez
Жыл бұрын
Shame MacFarlane doesn't seem super interested in continuing with this show but I can understand feeling a little burnt out after struggling for 3 years to get 12 episodes out the door.
@AFMountaineer2000
2 ай бұрын
Give us 1 more season!
@captaintalon4485
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if a season 4 happens Lysella becomes a ensign on the Orville? It seems they are setting her up to join the crew permanently
@mattwing05
Жыл бұрын
it definitely looks like it.
@imho2278
Жыл бұрын
Why was the actor playing Charley (who died last ep) still credited, even though she was nowhere to be seen?
@CT-uv8os
Жыл бұрын
@@imho2278 Part of the contract maybe.
@AndrewJamesWilliams
Жыл бұрын
Given the tragedy of Gendel 3 you can really understand why the Planetary Unions rules on cultural contamination exist. There well meaning interference on Gendel 3 led to a once thriving civilization completely destroying itself. Thus it is understandable why they put new rules in place to prevent such a tragedy happening again on another world to another civilization.
@newguy954
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the saying "there's always that one guy that ruins it for everybody",gendel 3 was "that guy".
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