I was recently alerted (10/3/21) by a kindly contributor in the Comments section of my Website that Triton X-100 has now been banned for use in Europe. Hence I now do *not* recommend Triton X-100 for use in vinyl cleaning. There is talk of a replacement being tagged as a safe alternative. Something called Nereid, which is a cousin of Triton X-100 but without the bad stuff, basically. I'll keep an eye on this contender because it's still in the testing stage, so I hear. When I can, I'll give it a test. You can find more information here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triton_X-100 Here's a précis of the Triton X-100 issue: “A Triton X-100 degradation product has indeed turned out to be ecotoxic as it possesses hormone-like (estrogeno-mimetic) activity that may act on wildlife.[12] The ECHA finally included the substance group in the Authorisation List (Annex XIV),[13] mandating the pharmaceutical and other industries to replace this detergent by the “sunset date” January 4, 2021, thereby affecting EU manufacturers, importers, and downstream users, as well as non-European manufacturers exporting their products into the EU.”
@rajg8136
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul, please keep us posted and updated
@AntAciieed
2 жыл бұрын
Banned in Australia too
@Andrew-ps9zp
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry if this a stupid question, but why can't I use less scary products like dish soap? I've heard that many people have good results with that
@ederoliveira8039
Жыл бұрын
I understood that I have 20 drops of triton in 2 liters of water but how much of this solution should I add in 6 liters of distilled water in the ultrasonic machine ?????????????
@allankvist6741
Жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-ps9zpAs mentioned below dishsoap works perfectly. Just use very little. Its not the foam that cleans. Just the opposite.
@thevinylmuseum2958
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I just stumbled onto your channel today and found this video very informative. Nice to have an opinion on this subject with no invested interested on the brand, except your own money. I have already decided to buy the Tergikleen for my Ultrasonic Kirmuss cleaner. Well Done! Looks like I will be watching a lot more of your channel.
@leyland9999
2 жыл бұрын
Organic bass, subtle this and that…..oh oh. You know, I hear no differences at all if the groove is clean, so no residues at all, no matter what product I have used. I simply use denaturalised alcohol bought at the chemist, distilled water and some Fairy (or equivalent) dishwasher liquid. Did so for decades and continue to do so. Yes, the trusted Disco Antistat does the trick for me, as I mentioned for decades now. You know, my records are not destroyed by the alcohol at all, just use as little as possible which I do. The Fairy breaks the surface tension and gives the record surface a nice and smooth shine in which the stylus feels at home. No residu ( quite unlike the original Disco Antistat fluid! ) at all. Minimal costs, maximum results. Greetings from Holland, bye, Willem.
@simistef
Жыл бұрын
What are the ratios you use ?
@aerobill8554
Жыл бұрын
Hey Willem. William hier. Mijn dochter van 16 is net begonnen met (2e hands) vinyl. Wat is je advies tav mengverhouding ? Gr. uit Limburg 😊
@leyland9999
Жыл бұрын
@@aerobill8554 Hallo William. 20% alcohol (bij apotheek halen) 80% gedestilleerd water, gedemineraliseerd zo je wil, en een scheutje Dreft. Dreft, omdat de samenstelling sterker is, twee theelepels is genoeg. Dit laatste geeft een minimaal maar wel effectief antistatisch effect en het breekt de oppervlaktespanning van het water. Dit is van belang bij het zoveel als mogelijk voorkomen van druppels als je de plaat in een rek, bijvoorbeeld van de Disco Antistat wasbak, wilt laten drogen. Ik droog de platen met keukenpapier, twee vellen per plaat, beide kanten van de plaat dus. Mét de groef mee (!) de plaat afdrogen. De capillaire werking van het keukenpapier neemt óók het achtergebleven vuil mee het papier in. Daarom dus per plaat twee vellen en die na de plaat te hebben gedroogd wegdoen. Platen die je bij de tweedehandswinkel hebt gekocht of heel vuile platen eerst onder de kraan met handwarm water en een beetje Dreft voorwassen. Dit om te voorkomen dat je waswater meteen enorm vervuild raakt. Om onder de kraan het label te beschermen gebruik je de schijf die uit twee helften bestaat die bij de Disco Antistat wasbak wordt geleverd. Het is niet nodig die net onder de kraan gewassen plaat helemaal droog te maken. Als laatste nog dit. Het kan voorkomen dat je na de totale behandeling tóch nog enige tikken hoort. Die verdwijnen zodra de plaat een keer is afgespeeld helemaal. Natuurlijk krijg je een echte kras of andere beschadiging niet meer weg. Succes! Groet, Willem.
@DuzBee
9 ай бұрын
Hi Mate, what ratios do you use? Cheers.
@leyland9999
9 ай бұрын
@@DuzBee Hi! First of all, make sure your records are clean, that is, clean of visible dust and fingerprints. Do that by making the records wet (Pre wash). Protect the label. Use lukewarm tapwater and some dishwashing fluid. Flush all water and dishwashing liquid away. Dry the record, the record doesn’t need to be thoroughly dry. Second phase. Prepare a solution of one part denaturalised alcohol and three parts distilled (!) water and a few drops dishwashing liquid. Don’t know if you have “Fairy” in your area but this is a highly concentrated fluid that removes all grease and, as a side effect, makes the record anti static. Poor this mixture into the Disco Antistat basin and clean the record as described in the manual that comes with the Disco Antistat product. After cleaning, leave the record in the rack for a minute or two so most fluid will be in the bottom of the rack. Then, dry the record by wiping it dry with paper kitchen towel and wipe FOLLOWING THE GROOVE! This is utterly important so all contamination, if any left, will be sucked out of the groove by the capillaire action of the kitchen towel. It is labour intensive, I know. You will be rewarded though by a deep clean record. New records do not have to be pre washed. Pre washing is only needed in case of used records. Cleaned records should be put in lined inner sleeves. Oh, it might occur that a freshly cleaned record still produces some crackles and pops. If these are no real scratches they will disappear after one or two plays. Succes….!
@rickmilam413
2 жыл бұрын
Like you I found the Degritter solution, used in their machine as directed, to do a good job of cleaning but things became rather opaque. I also have a reaction to it in terms of heart arrhythmia so, for me an obvious big strike against it. However I tried rinsing it. I'm a huge proponent of rinsing, even on products that claim not to need it. I set up a fan blowing the fumes away from me and did a before, then an "as directed", then a thorough multi step rinse. The recommended use running one cycle (heavy) and then listening was dull. I did two distilled water rinses (I have 3 tanks) then a lab grade water rinse on my vacuum machine. I really like it. I'm doing experiments with my Kirmuss I've used for two years, the new Degritter and a Pro-Ject vacuum machine. Each does some things well. The Degritter with Tergikleen seems the most open but sometimes seems slightly thin. I did. try the A.I. US product and it's OK. I like their products for vacuum machines. The Degritter was rinsed has really nice solidity and midrange textures, seems a bit more fleshed out than the Tergikleen but it is more open with a more expansive soundstage. It's almost like pick the one that suits a particular LP..... That way lies madness. But... what if I followed the Degritter/rinse with a Tergikleen rinse? Or tried the Triton X-100, which I have on order.
@matthewtaylor7355
Жыл бұрын
Polysorbate 80 is better than the muddy ILFOTOL and is very cheap 10.50 GBP for a litre. It ain't thin sounding... Tergikleen is piss takingly xpensive
@critical_listening
Жыл бұрын
These descriptions of the sonic differences between surfactants… I literally had to look and see if this video was posted on April 1st. You audiophile guys crack me up!
@matthewtaylor7355
Жыл бұрын
These descriptions of the taste differences between types of alcoholic drinks.. Drinkers crack me up
@maroon2k
2 ай бұрын
@@matthewtaylor7355 If you find any drinkers who discuss the taste differences depending on what coasters they put under their glasses, that would be a fair comparison.
@markhancockhecox
3 жыл бұрын
Voice crack @9:23 But seriously this is an awesome video, extremely comprehensive and helpful! Thank you for making it!
@ashdutta2102
2 жыл бұрын
Great talk. Very easy to understand. However, too much talk. The messages could be much better understood if the talk was delivered with less words.
@pablodepeche
3 жыл бұрын
I got the Tergikleen thanks to you Paul, amazing improvement, thank you!!
@TomnJudy
4 жыл бұрын
Great review Paul, good solid info. I would note that the EU & UK is set to ban all octylphenol ethoxylate detergents like Triton X-100 in new products at the beginning of the year as there is evidence that they negatively effect aquatic environments. Biodegradation produces a toxic aromatic hydrocarbon product (from the released octylphenol group) that mimics estrogen which interferes with the reproductive systems of fish. That said, they will still be available in N. America. I would use Tergitol 15-S-7 (Pareth-7) as a substitute in Europe. Never mix Tergitol with alcohol, as it causes rapid breakdown of the sufactant causing sticky precipitates to form. The Ilford Ilfotol used to contain approximately 6% Triton X with a trace amount of a preservative to extend shelf life, good for cleaning records, but you would need to use 16 times more to achieve the same detergency as pure Triton. Due to the ban about to take effect, Ilford has already changed to a more bio-friendly surfactant, not sure which. The PhotoFlo contains 5-10% Triton X, but also contains 25-30% Propylene Glycol which can leave a trace of sticky film on your record (sounds like the Kirmuss magic formula to me). The Tergikleen guy knows very little about chemistry, and won't tell us what his "proprietary" formula contains. We can hope that it is Tergitol 15-S-7, or even better yet a blend of 15-S-3 & 15-S-9, but we just don't know. What we do know is that his recommended concentration level of 1ml per gallon, is way below other recommendations for using Tergitol products to clean records. It should be about 0.1% to 0.5%, lesser for lightly soiled or US machine, higher for heavy soiling and hand cleaning. You are certainly on the right track, a high purity non-ionic surfactant in definitely the best way to go, and by adding a little pinch of quat (quaternary ammonium compound) you will never have a problem with static again.
@jerseytiger1980
Жыл бұрын
This is ridiculous. Please explain how one surfactant opens up the midrange an high end and another surfactant has a superior tonal balance and stronger bass. If it cleans it’s going to clean all the frequencies. One is not going to clean the upper frequencies of the grooves while another cleans the lower frequencies.
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
Well of course it’s not that way around Sean. The sound quality, what the sound actually does, is a sort of accidental conclusion to how effective the surfactant is doing its job. The better the job? The more you hear. I’m merely conveying what I do hear. Trying to put that into words. Also no surfactant has been created to clean vinyl so we try to retrofit what is already out there for the job in hand. All surfactants are different in chemical composition, they all work differently, which is why I did this test.
@claudec2588
3 жыл бұрын
Check or grocery store or pharmacy for distilled water. All pharmacies in Canada carry distilled water and my grocery store does also.
@RillenReiner
10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. Just re-watched it.
@Matasky2010
3 жыл бұрын
So there's an argument against surfactants- they allow the cleaner/water to get into the grooves easier yes, but they can also allow the dirt to settle back into the grooves before you get a chance to rinse/dry. MOFI makes a cleaner that advertises 'high surface tension' for this purpose- after wet scrubbing the liquid 'suspends' the dirt on the surface where it can be wiped away easier. This theory does make sense, IMO your cleaning brush should be able to work any cleaner deep into the grooves as you apply pressure. Any thoughts?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam - reinfection of dirt into the grooves is a problem with all cleaning technologies, techniques, liquids, tools, etc. It's not a surfactant-only problem. The emphasis is on you to do the best you can to minimise it. Better tools can reduce that reinfection. For example, ultrasonic cleaners do a better job than RCMs which do a better job than manual cleaners. But following a considered manual treatment regime can, in itself, reduce the problem. See my latest Guide, recently published on my site for manual cleaning (a video version should follow soon): theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@HarveyJohnWillmott
2 жыл бұрын
Another incredible video. I have ordered a Disco Anti stat at your recommendation, and I have decided to go for the x-100 as it’s cheap. What should I apply the water/surfactant mix to the vinyl with?
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Please read my cleaning guide here for more on that. Give me a shout later if you need more info: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@rareroots
6 ай бұрын
Ive collected Jamaican singles for over 30 years and we (reggae collectors) have used ultrasonic cleaners forever, with unbelievable results on very dirty records. Keep it simple, a few drops of dish soap is all you need, followed by distilled water rinse ✌️
@biketech60
7 ай бұрын
Thank you , I've been using the Kodak without noticing it's expiration date is well long past . Ordered Triton X-100 for longer shelf life . Will refrigeration harm it or extend it's shelf life ?
@TheAudiophileMan
7 ай бұрын
I don't recommend Triton (as per my pinned comment) because it's now been found harmful to wildlife but, to answer your question, I am not wholly sure if refrigeration has an effect because I'm not sure how exactly it breaks down and if temperature, etc is part of that break down process. One thing, talking to others, I now have a feeling that 'use by' dates on this sort of stuff are rather conservative and that liquids like this last an awful lot longer than the date on the bottle would have it.
@qj1247
Ай бұрын
Hi Paul. Subscriber here!👋🏼Thank you for another great and thorough video. Please can you update some of the UK links..they know longer work. Thanks. Best
@TheAudiophileMan
Ай бұрын
I've just done a quick patch job - did I miss anything? Thanks for the heads up.
@qj1247
Ай бұрын
@@TheAudiophileMan thanks for that. I've checked the UK ones and they seem to work. I saw the Tergikleen advice and link on your website, so decided to buy direct from them in the US. Came in at just under £40 with the current exchange rate. How long did it take for yours to arrive.
@TheAudiophileMan
Ай бұрын
Can't remember, to be honest. I don't recall fretting at all so it couldn't have been too long.
@richardsinger01
4 жыл бұрын
There are different ways of deionising water - the best uses reverse osmosis (RO) This is the same tech as used in desalination and won’t contain bacteria. Ion exchange resins can also be used and these might potentially obtain some bacteria, but no more than might be found in drinking water. Surfactants can be used for cleaning - then we call them called soap or detergent!. Other types of surfactant have different properties. Cationic surfactants are often used as anti static agents which some record cleaners use. (Remember Permastat?) Surfactants are surface active. (Surfactant is a contraction of surface active agent). They stick to the surface of your record and help the water wet it and help it lift off any greasy deposits. Removing surfactants completely takes a lot of rinsing. Triton X is a non ionic surfactant and a mild detergent and emulsifier which should be perfectly safe to use. It will also kill any bacteria in the water. (But so would the 20% of isopropanol that I include in my solution... I know you would disapprove!)
@TheAudiophileMan
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the extra info, Richard. Appreciate you taking the time. Although I reckon I'll stick with the system I mention in the vid. That said, there's lots of room for research here, as you have just confirmed :) Where I'm 'at' in terms of surfactants is merely one step on a long road, I'm sure. There will, no doubt, be updates to follow in the future.
@lebeltoottoot9212
4 жыл бұрын
I may not have the equipment ( hearing and hi-fi kit ;-), to notice many of the improvements often mentioned, but really appreciate those who can. To this end I always rate these video’s highly. Triton x-100 ordered👌
@MrDjoness
3 жыл бұрын
Tergikleen recommends 10-20 drops per gallon (I guess us gallon 3,8l) => 3-5 drops/liter and you used 10 drops/liter. How com did you use so much more cleaning fluid that were recommended?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Trial and error and sound testing afterwards. But you're welcome to use less if you wish, of course. Also, just so I don't paint myself into a corner here, that's where I'm at right now. I try to tweak and test constantly so may change that in the future depending on other variables.
@solominded
Жыл бұрын
The U.S. Library of Congress uses Tergotol (Tergikleen is the same exact formula) for all their archival cleanings.
@davidbishop1570
Ай бұрын
Hi Paul. I just came accross this very informative video. I have been using Mofi products for years but I am now keen to try one of the surfactanats that you reviewed, namely TergiKleen. Question, did you do a distilled water rinse after the cleaning as recommended? Using the TergiKleen would I still need to use a Mofi cleaner? Thanks, Dave.
@gittarman
2 жыл бұрын
I don't even care what subject you'd be teaching, I'd attend every one of your lectures. Party on, man.
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Anthony, very kind of you.
@spazzychalk
Ай бұрын
With Biopharm triton x-100 how much do you use per liter of water? At what temperature do you run your ultrasonic?
@nunofernandes4501
3 жыл бұрын
The surfactant is so diluted that the solution could be sold as a homeopathic record cleaner. Perfect for your Placebo vinyls. :)
@CanonJoMac
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, Thanks for this very interesting video. I have L'art Du Son cleaning fluid and a Okki Nokki machine. I'm willing to try surfactant, and I was wondering if I could mix it directly with my l'art du son - distilled water bottle, or should I keep the surfactant in another bottle? It would be easier if I could mix it all in one bottle, but I don't want to do anything wrong! Thanks a lot
@TheAudiophileMan
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mix L'Art du Son, Joseph. You need to apply the surfactant directly to the vinyl before cleaning. Once done, you clean with the L'Art du Son.
@CanonJoMac
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheAudiophileMan Ok Thanks. I'll try it and will tell you what I think of it! Yesterday I read an article about cleaning solutions and surfactant by Michael Framer, and he claimed that different solutions/surfactants cannot sound different, since it's vacuumed before playing. What is your take on this? You seemed to think different on your video Thanks again for your videos and articles, I really enjoy it every time!
@TheAudiophileMan
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not in the business of engaging in critical debate with other reviewers. If you read my opinions on my site and view my videos on this channel, you will be easily able to gauge my opinions on the matter.
@CanonJoMac
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheAudiophileMan Oh I'm sorry, engaging a debate was certainly not my goal here. I just wanted to know why you think differently. I'll go back to your website as suggested! Sorry again for the misunderstanding, have a good evening and a good week-end Joseph
@austinlibby7025
4 ай бұрын
You must mention new LP used LP and old LPUO new LP ultrasonic distilled water that’s it. We also know the surfactants and all the other cleaners. Everyone leaves a residue, but the film that microscope can see on the record when it’s striped, and that builds up And we got diamond but it builds up. It’s do whatever you wanna do with them in the first place good luck it’s a hobby and
@michaelmarr1046
3 жыл бұрын
Paul, I have a Kirmuss Audio Ultrasonic Cleaner. I do have Tergikleen as a surfactant, but want to mix it and use it correctly. The Kirmuss Audio uses close to two gallons of distilled water. Would that be 20 drops of Tergikleen? Or, should the Tergikleen be brushed I to the groves? If so, how do you mix it with glycol? Should 40mL of Isopropyl Alcohol be mixed o to the bath too? How many 5 minute cycles? How should the record be rinsed as it would have to be in a separate unit such as a spin clean. It would be amazing if you could create a step by step video on using Tergikleen with the Kirmuss Audio Ultrasonic. Thanks!
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael - checkout my manual guide to vinyl cleaning. The first part, the preparation section can be applied to ultrasonics too. Hopefully that helps. Give me a shout if you ned more help: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@ederoliveira8039
Жыл бұрын
I understood that I have 20 drops of triton in 2 liters of water but how much of this solution should I add in 6 liters of distilled water in the ultrasonic machine ?????????????
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't add surfactant to the bath itself. Only to the vinyl surface directly. In a bath? It loses efficiency. And I now don't recommend Triton which was banned in Europe after my video was published because it's harmful to nature/wildlife. For more info, please see my Vinyl Cleaning guides. Part 1 is here: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/. It focuses on manual cleaning but the vinyl preparation and general principles can be applied to ultrasonic cleaning. Part 2 is devoted to RCMs. I have yet to sort Part 3 for ultrasonics. As I say though, the vinyl prep for Port 1 will be in Part 3 as well.
@jedi0830
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, i know, it‘s a bit late, but did you ever try the Groovewasher G-sonic? Regards , Raoul
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
I've heard of it but never used it. I'll make a note, thanks.
@danielcombs3207
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question I’m planning on buying a Spin Clean or something similar. Could any of these surfactants be used with a entry level wet cleaner and make a difference in the sound quality?
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel - yes, check out this Guide for more info: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@vincentrathbone26
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with misting/frosting on records caused by those horrible thick PVC sleeves.
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
You could try a surfactant-based clean. Ultrasonic would be best but a Disco Antistat would be worth a go. Again, surfactant-based.
@ginesrodriguez8570
2 жыл бұрын
How about Tergitol vs L'art Du son? Also, how long should you leave the cleaning fluid on the vinyl before drying?
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
They're really two different things. L'Art du Son was my 'go to' when I operated a RCM a while back and its a good general cleaner for those machines. Tergitol is not recommended as a stand alone cleaner. It's there to assist and aid cleaning along with other hardware and liquid tools. I would always add a rinse cycle to remove all chemicals from the vinyl surface before drying.
@Sayaran
4 жыл бұрын
Just want to say thanks for putting out your videos, not sure people appreciate the work that is involved in the production, scripting, and production of KZitem videos. I appreciate your thoughts and perspective. Thank You!
@TheAudiophileMan
4 жыл бұрын
That's very kind of you, many thanks :)
@williamgordon4392
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Paul. I am going to try this. The concerns that I have are:. Does the Glycol build up in the rinse solution? Or does the alcohol break it down completely? Also, the Tergikleen: At which point does the rinsing solution become saturated with Tergikleen? How many rinses can you do before the solution should be changed because of saturation of Glycol/Tergikleen. Also, how many cycles do you set the Degritter to do (1-4), before going into Drying mode? Thank you.
@TheAudiophileMan
3 ай бұрын
Check put my Guide here and that should help you out in terms of your concerns: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/ This is for manual cleaning but the vinyl prep is till valid of a Degritter. For now? Using my ratios, the alcohol breaks it down. But don't forget the final rinse. Re. saturation, I change my bath every 30 cleans (depending on how mucky your vinyl is) and that still provides effective cleans. I do a heavy cycle with a drying mode tagged on the end of around 6-7 min.
@freemonk3
Жыл бұрын
I’m confused (it’s not hard). So I’ve purchased a Pro-Ject VC-E2 RCM. So based on your video, I’d need to: 1. Cover the record in a Surfactant/Dis Water mix first 2. Suck up Sufactant Mix with the RCM 3. Cover record with normal Record Cleaning Fluid 4. Suck up Cleaning Fluid with RCM 5. Put record though a distilled water only bath Is that right? I really don’t want to get it wrong :(
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
Check out my Guide here, have a read, give me a shout if you have problems: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-pt-2-rcms/
@neandrewthal
4 жыл бұрын
I have been cleaning my records in the spin clean with its default fluid then running them through again with distilled water to rinse. How much improvement could I get by applying the tritonx (that one is much cheaper on ebay) first?
@TheAudiophileMan
4 жыл бұрын
Well I talk about the sonic benefits of that product in this video and the written version on my site so my thoughts are right there. Applying a surfactant directly to a vinyl surface is recommended.
@spazzychalk
Ай бұрын
Where are the links to the video you mentioned of how to use a spin clean and how to use an ultrasonic?
@TheAudiophileMan
Ай бұрын
Check out this folder which features a host of vinyl care, etc articles. Video is included within: theaudiophileman.com/category/features/vinyl-care/
@djpaul146
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video thank you I just saw a man washing his viynl in fairy liquid in his sink and one chap using WD40 I was shouting down my phone nooooooo
@louissilvani1389
2 жыл бұрын
I’m totally confused especially after reading the comments
@florentcharabouska7388
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul Thanks for this very interesting review. I am impressed by your hability to detect differences in sound. I à used to clean my records in home made US machine with 20% alcohol 79 % of distilled water and 1% triton x100. And it works fine. I tested today a prewash with distilled water and few drops of Triton x100 as you recommended. I have to say improvement is very significant. I cleaned today records from 70s and they are dead silent after precleaning and cleaning. So thank you very much for this advises.
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
TIME STAMP: to fast forward to the products, click: kzitem.info/news/bejne/2qeCv61qiHSqhXo
@ginovairo6487
2 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful review and very informative. Great work! I used Kodak PhotoFlo in my ultrasonic cleaner (1:200). I checked the MSDS (material safety data sheet) and the ingredients are Triton X100 and polyethylene glycol. Ilfotol uses a different surfactant (branched, ethoxylated isotridecanol) and a preservative. I was pleased with the result with PhotoFlo, with improved sound after the wash. Quieter and improved detail (both upper and lower frequencies). Most noticeably, the sound was more "relaxed" and the 3D soundstage/transparency definitely improved. I’ve ordered some Tergikleen to try as well as a new product from GrooveWasher, G-sonic which is claimed to be specific for ultrasonic record cleaning.
@robertbosson5223
Жыл бұрын
What's troubling and leans uncomfortably toward BS in SQ analysis after the application of the products is that u don't explain your testing criteria. I'll assume you purchase multiple brand new pressed identical records and go through the 'cleaning' process etc.. Im a firm believer in the fact that you cannot 'add' or 'improve' SQ through the use of these products. All you can do is clean and therefore lessen the potential for distortion and noise.
@neilpearson5748
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, great videos and insight for my USCleaning journey. I am going to use a pre wash method of 999ml of Deioised water and 1ml Triton X-100. My question is do i just cover the record surfaces and then pop it into the USC or should I scrub the solution with a brush to agitate it a bit just like a standard RCM method?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Check out my Guide here - it can still be adapted, even if you use a RCM or ultrasonic cleaner: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@cooker4000
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, whats your cleaning regime with the degriter whilst using tergikleen please
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Although this website Guide is aimed at manual cleaners, the preparation of the record and the core techniques are the same for my Degritter use - give me a shout if you need more info: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@darinstanley1332
6 ай бұрын
Hello Paul. I have used 'Ilford Ilfostop' on my vinyl records.i used 50ml on 950ml of distilled water making 1 litre. I put it in 'disco antistatic' manual cleaning machine. Turned it 6 times back and forth. I have tested it without rinsing and also rinsing in stilled water. It sounds bad with all the snaps and crackles through various records. Not sure what I am do wrong. These are new records that sounded OK before the clean but now they sound much worse. I have used distilled water to clean the stylus but it still sounds bad. Please can advise of what I am doing wrong. Thank you. Darin.
@TheAudiophileMan
6 ай бұрын
Give my Guide a bit of a read, and then give me a shout if you have issues after that: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@darinstanley1332
6 ай бұрын
Thank you paul. I have read some of it and I think and watched the video footage again and I have been doing it wrong. I have been diluting it in the the bath rather than doing it separately on the record surface. I put 50 ml of Ilford into 950ml of distilled water into the disco antistatic manual cleaning bath. Will I do my vinyl any damage by doing this? Thanks. Darin.
@williamgordon4392
3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. I have watched the cleaning guide twice. I think that I have the process straight in my mind. Thank you for addressing my concerns. I'll let you know how it goes.
@robinpatterson9433
2 жыл бұрын
I see the price has shot up by £10.49 it’s now £37.49 + £26.00 shipping + tax coming from America.
@celtic-audiophile
Жыл бұрын
Distilled water delivery cost was more than the water
@rogerjames6956
Жыл бұрын
You might like to look into reverse osmosis water withe a tds of 0.4, {tds is total desolved solids} from a tropical fish shop and is cheap, and is maybe the most pure water.
@royrice6060
2 жыл бұрын
In general, surfactants, ion guns, stylus cleaners, carbon fiber brushes, platter mats, micro fiber cloths, glue, disc flatteners, cleaning spray, disc washers, etc, etc…….just put your record on top of a Van Der Graaff generator. That’ll do the trick. 🤯🤯🤯(If it doesn’t try a Tesla Coil.)
@slam854
3 жыл бұрын
That was extremely detailed and helpful. My application is a Spin Clean bath followed by a Record Doctor vacuuming. Earlier today a video discussed using 2-3 drops Dawn dish soap in one gallon (3.785L) distilled water with 7.4-14.7ml white distilled vinegar. White vinegar was described as a rinse agent. What are your thoughts, please?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
I've sent you a link to my own Guide as per my reply elsewhere, from my site which includes plenty of background info, hopefully that helps. Soap is to be avoided because it leaves a residue that is tough to remove from vinyl so the stylus ends up playing it which veils detail (if you've ever smelt that "lemon fresh!" advertised smell on your dishes, you're smelling residue) while vinegar is not a pure substance even in that form (I wouldn't use vodka for the same reason) so I wouldn't chance that either.
@marcb8874
Жыл бұрын
merci , un peu long ,et beaucoup de répétition , soit 10 mn aurait été suffisant pour 5 produits
@walterpen371
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. Excellent overall explaination. I've read somewhere to avoid using either Tergikleen or Ethanol as both are highly toxic. Not sure if this is true?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Isopropyl Alcohol is also toxic to some degree, can cause dizziness if inhaled in quantity, is dangerous on an ecological level and is highly flammable and dangerous to store - yet that substance is in just about ever cheap and cheerful vinyl cleaning liquid concoction currently for sale on the Internet. Treated with respect and used properly, all surfactants and vinyl cleaning solutions are useful, if not highly effective, in removing muck and grime from the vinyl groove. You just need to apply common sense, care and attention.
@phrayzar
8 ай бұрын
Here in Australia I use filtered tap water. We have excellent quality non hard, non recycled water and the filtering deals with any unlikely bacteria. Never had any issues with my ultrasonic cleaning.
@The-Spotlight-Kid
2 жыл бұрын
My unproved thesis goes: Any post-cleaning residue would be in the most "hard to get at" nooks & crannies of the record groove's inner-wall protrusions & nodules, those nooks & crannies which water's surface-tension would protect from wetting thoroughly on an initial cleaning if a surfactant was not used. So would it not be worthwhile putting a half or quarter dose of it in the last post-cleaning rinse? ...based on the fact that the surfactant free rinse water's surface- tension would impedes the rinse, just as it would have impeded the initial clean if it were not used ...without getting too Howard Hughs about it! Just a thought. I have used 50% Isopropyl alcohol with distilled water damped onto fine camera cleaning brushes & lint-free cloth to try & wipe away what you cannot see in the groove (but I've not soacked L.P.s in it) for removing blobs of "i know not" on s/h L.P.s but i alway found extenting playing afterwards clears sometimes all, sometimes less of the grunge from whatever was dropped onto my s/h buys. I guess a stylus is just the right shape for scraping out whatever is laying where the dismond scrapes across, but it make your stylus caked in near-baked on filth quickly, as you mentioned. I'm thinking of buying a cheap linear tracking t/table with repeat, to leave dirtier sounding s/h buys, playing all night long per side, ive got many absolute fave's that cannot be got on CDs but need deep cleaning. My friends review on Chinese made Ultra Sound cleaners have not been good at all. But that was 10 or 15 years ago
@ricochet243
4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding review, Paul. Have shared this with friends who need considered advice re. cleaning and I look forward to the three parter.
@GerForever
Жыл бұрын
I came to your video because I had the idea of using Ilfotol but now I am interested in the Tergikleen. No matter how many times I watch the video I still have this question I I am using a manual record clean like the Spin Clean and plan on using Tergikleen do I still use the spin cleanfluid in addition to the Tergikleen? Or does the Tergikleen replace this? Thanks
@sricchiuto
3 жыл бұрын
...Pipettes?!?!? [cut] (LOL!!!!) Sorry this is a "self-censored" comment. I was making fun of videos on youtube where people completely immerge LPs into filled-up basins or use "hydrant-like" approaches just like they were firemen. Then I thought it could have not been neither appropriate nor even allowed to link someone else's videos. Sorry about that.
@rpirie1
Жыл бұрын
HOW MUCH DROPS OF TRITON X 100 WOULD I PUT IN A 10LITRE ULTRASONIC CLEANER BEFORE START OF CLEANING PROCESS THANKS IN ADVANCE
@SeanDrain
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to do all of these great videos, Paul! You're very informative and detailed. I have decided it's time to get more serious about my record collection and take things to the next level. I have around 1000 LPs to clean so I've began building a cleaning station and I like your method of pre-treating the records with a surfactant solution. I was wondering, do you have a suggestion/opinion on method/timing? Does the pre-treatment surfactant solution perform differently if submersed in or applied directly to the vinyl and spread evenly with a goat hair brush? Have you noticed a difference between how long you wait before moving to the next step to wash? I'm curious if leaving the record moist with the surfactant solution for a few minutes helps to loosen any particles so that they come off easier when washing? Or should I be cautious not to let the record dry after applying the surfactant solution, before washing? This is important for me to understand since I plan on doing quite a few I want to be as efficient with my time as possible. Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide! :)
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Check out my own vinyl cleaning guide. It's generally aimed at manual cleaning but if you read up until the Disco Antistat enters the scene then all of that, to that point is relevant to the Degritter. Give me a shout if you need further info: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@frankvanhelvert6231
Жыл бұрын
@@TheAudiophileMan excellent write up paul! its a lenghtly read but great,but was wondering how distilled water and the use of 1% alchohol lower the surface tension?
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
Hi Frank, the surfactant is there is lower surface tension. Alcohol is used to do part of the actual cleaning. Specifically the oils and related residues which it melts. Cavitation actually removes it. Distilled water is just the carrier for the whole process. Oh and thank you :)
@frankvanhelvert6231
Жыл бұрын
@@TheAudiophileMan thanks paul!! so if i"m correct distilled water and the alcohol does lower the surface tension even without the use of a surfactant but not as much i assume
@RillenReiner
10 ай бұрын
A little story regarding the importance of rinsing. Although you mentioned it, somehow, I still believed the manufacturer of my vacuum machine, in this case, the keith monk prodigy, and only used the liquid they provided. Now I cleaned two new LPs without prior listening to them without cleaning, and was surprised that they had incredible surface noise. I ordered the clear audio liquid I saw in your videos and cleaned them once more with the new liquid, but again terrible surface noise. I then ordered Ilfotol and bought some distilled water and did a solution of 0.03% as suggested by @Dave Denyer. I did one cleaning with the 0.03% Ilfotol solution on the Keith Monk using a new kind of cheap 15 EUR Kabuki Brush (thank you for this amazing tip) with the Ilfotol solution and one afterwards with another Kabuki Brush with distilled water only. What should I say. The results are really impressive. First of all the surface noises is almost gone, secondly the overall sound quality has improved a lot. Can’t wait until my Degritter MK2 is delivered here in Germany. Hopefully it will be before Christmas. Thank you so much for making these videos.
@jacobchild3363
4 жыл бұрын
Great information! Based on your test results, that I had no way of doing myself, I'm glad that I had already purchased Tergikleen prior to this. Also, when you put together the videos for manual and rcm using these surfactants...will you be using the same alcohol & distilled water cleaning solution for each video? Or will you be testing with multiple cleaning solutions? (Not sure if you plan on doing comparisons or just general proper method of use for manual & rcm)
@TheAudiophileMan
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jacob - many thanks :) For the rest? I'll be utilising the best combination of liquids and surfactants for each process and finding the best combo within that. That's why I did the alcohol video (see elsewhere) and this surfactant video now, to narrow down those variables.
@autonomousindividual7780
2 жыл бұрын
What is a pound and how many drops are there in a milliliter? Also, I'd mark those drinking water bottles of solution in case there are any children or engineers nearby. I mistakenly bought tergitol 15-s-15 while 7 or a mix of 3 and 9 is recommended. There are over 20 formulations if I remember correctly for all types of cleaning and production. Im going to try ilfotol rather than tergitol as I'm frustrated that 7 is so hard to find. In the short research I've done I'm once again fascinated at industry and chemistry. How specialized products are and 1000s of them out there. I wonder how many people appreciate that when they think they have everything figured out.
@stevethiel9214
9 ай бұрын
I’m confused about your use of surfactant. I use the Degritter with the Audio Intelligent Enzymatic concentrate for ultrasonic cleaning machines. I also use all of the other formulas from Audio Intelligent with my VPI 16.5 cleaning machine as a prewash. However, the records washed on the VPI are vacuumed. All records are dry when added to the Degritter. Are you adding surfactant to the record and then adding to the Degritter while “wet” with surfactant? Is this in addition to another formula that is mixed in the Degritter? Lastly, have you tested the Audio Intelligent formulas? Are these formulas “surfactants”? I purchase these through Osage Audio Products.
@TheAudiophileMan
9 ай бұрын
Audio Intelligent? Help me out in this one please, is this an enzyme-based system? I’m not that familiar with it.
@mondellomusic
3 ай бұрын
T. Rex Electric Warrior
@DumbCarGuy
Жыл бұрын
Gary Numan Cars was my first album ever. Maybe around 1979'ish.
@false_binary
Жыл бұрын
Great vid! I am using a Humminguru w/1 drop of Tergikleen on a 5 min bath, and then a second bath w/distilled water only + 10 min dry. I am going starting to test diluted solution as the producer suggests and see if there was a difference (my guess is no lol). reservoir
@RichieG
2 жыл бұрын
Pulling my records out of storage so they can be listened to again, so I had to start relearning all I ever knew about surfactants. Thanks for this video. QUESTION: Can't we make good surfactants at home?
@alangross2277
Жыл бұрын
Tergitol is what the Library of Congress uses for record cleaning.
@ejshelby5460
3 жыл бұрын
i use the Amazon Boundless spray bottle, alcohol free, and obviously, directly sprayed onto the record, then wipe off with towel. I don't want to spend the $$$ on a machine, so I wonder how to just use one of the surfactants?
@photoslum
6 ай бұрын
I may have missed this- but in reviewing the Audio Desk it is mentioned the product contains cleaning fluid. The pure surfactants are rated , but if it is only a surfactant (and here is what I may be forgetting from earlier) what is the cleaner/ cleaning solution being used with them?
@TheAudiophileMan
6 ай бұрын
I don't know. No-one outside of Audiodesk knows, to be honest. So I had to work it out for myself either from experience or from cryptic interviews with people in and around the company. Honestly? It looks, smells and acts like a surfactant. And when you talk about ultrasonic cleaning, there is no 'only'. Surfactant is everything. Without surfactant, you cut the cleaning efficiency in half. Cavitation is your 'cleaning liquid'. That is, distilled water and bubbles. The right surfactant allows that to happen. It pushes that process closer to the groove. So buying the right surfactant is critical and there are plenty of superior liquids out there over and above the 'secret' one supplied by Audiodesk. That companies who supply their own ultrasonic hardware fail to provide superior surfactants is not new, incidentally. I don't rate the one supplied by Degritter either :)
@photoslum
6 ай бұрын
@@TheAudiophileManThank you for the fast and detailed reply. I guess what I am wondering, and did not articulate well, is should the Tergikleen be used with a cleaning solution for say a Spin Clean cleaning or can it be used by itself in distilled water? Thanks again
@TheAudiophileMan
6 ай бұрын
No probs and...ok, I see now. I would only use distilled water and 7% alcohol in the bath. Then add Tergikleen mixed with Glycol, brushed onto the vinyl surface, then pop that into the ultrasonic machine itself. Nothing else. I would bin the Audio Deck liquid. For manual cleaning such as Spin Clean? Check out my vinyl cleaning guide here (which focuses on the Disco Antistat but can be used with the Spin Clean): theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@photoslum
6 ай бұрын
@@TheAudiophileManThank you!!!
@VinylMonkey58
2 жыл бұрын
I was just going to add a comment thanking you for this informative video which has helped me produce stunning results by applying a surfactant prior to my normal Disco Antistat (distilled water/alcohol) wash cycle. I can't believe how much positive difference it has made. Unfortunately I had not previously looked at your comments page and seen the top comment about Triton x100 (which I used after buying on eBay). Does anyone know why it is considered so dodgy?
@Longbody1000
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, helful review as always. I've bought some Triton X1 could you confirm the mix ratio with distilled water before brushing onto a vinyl? I was intending to apply this prior to cleaning in a Knosti using water and isopropyl. Thanks
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
I think I added 20 drops (but they are very small drops from the bottle's dispenser) per litre.
@antoniograncino3506
2 жыл бұрын
15:52 ...keeping shtum... Is that the same as keeping mum ? Is it Yiddish ? Seriously, have you any experience with the Kirmuss machine ?
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a common colloquialism that's been in use for many years. Maybe it's out of fashion now? Here's my Kirmuss review, it's in two parts: theaudiophileman.com/kirmuss-ka-rc-1-ultrasonic-review-part1/
@erics8757
2 жыл бұрын
You mention that the first product contains no alcohol, making it safe to use... I have heard many channels recommend using alcohol and distilled water. What about alcohol do you believe makes it unsafe, or is this just put out there by the makers of cleaning fluids to get you to purchase their product rather than use a homemade version?
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
I use alcohol and distilled water and I'm one of those channels, Eric :) But not directly on the vinyl surface and not in too high concentration. Alcohol can soften vinyl causing groove distortion, damaging/harming/wrecking sound. To work, you only need 1% in any quantity of distilled water (in the bath, that is). I use 7% when using upright cleaners because I also use Glycol and the 7% is needed to melt the Glycol. See more here: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@elliottcrews4997
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting deep dive into surfactants. I use Triton X-100. About 3 years ago I bought a gallon of 100%. I clean a lot of records, maybe 50 to 75 a month and still have about half a gallon left. I use a manual basin so I use a lot. First off I reduce the Triton from 100 to 10 percent by taking a gallon jug of distilled water and pouring out 13 oz and pouring in 13 oz of the triton. Then I take another gallon of distilled water and pour out 18 oz. I pour 4 oz of the 10 percent triton into the jug and then pour 14 oz of 70 percent of IPA. That gets me to a one gallon cleaning solution which I use primarily to fill my vinyl styl basin but also put into a spray bottle depending on how I'm approaching the record cleaning. I can usually clean between 65 and 100 records with a gallon. I haven't heard anything regarding Triton being banned in the US but by the time I finally use up that gallon of concentrate perhaps it will be, should take another couple of years.
@billdenton5774
Жыл бұрын
I just needed to offer you a mighty thanks !! A week ago I received my 500 ml bottle of TritonX-100, and it just works fabulously !! I haven't tried any of the others, but this stuff just gets in there and loosens and cleans the grooves, and ultimately the sound improves . I'm thrilled as I sit in my music room, cleaning, and listening to, records. Thanks Again !! 🎩✌️💿
@VinylPro
Жыл бұрын
from my experience the best cleaning is still ultrasound !
@andrewprice390
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I have just bought the Degriiter and am getting ready to put my first lot of LP’s through the process. My head is spinning a bit from all the videos and articles so I am hoping you can confirm the recipes you recommend from your research. I can readily get Illfotol in Australia but Triton x100 and Tergiklean are hard to get. For the surfactant mix I think your recommendation is 1 part Illfotol to 200 parts distilled water. Do you also add glycol to this? If so, can you suggest the mix. For the rinse your recommendation is 7 parts isoalcohol to 100 parts distilled water. Could you please confirm your recommendation. Thanks for your help
@rickmilam413
2 жыл бұрын
Just watched your last comments - If we assume that neither Tergitol or Triton is adding anything to the actual sound in the groove, it would imply that Tergikleen is revealing things in the highs better, Triton in the lows. So what if you layer them? More to the point, clean with one rinse, then clean and rinse with the other. The best of both worlds? Disastrous? I'm going to try it. Having extra tanks for the Degritter makes it simpler. Sorry to keep bugging you. I'm really engaged in figuring out how I want to do it and then forget about the process and get on with music. Thanks
@rickmilam413
5 ай бұрын
@@rabarebra I've moved on since then. Mainly to a Klaudio cleaner, far better in my view than the Degritter. If I feel that deep cleaning is necessary on a given album I prewash and thoroughly rinse on a vacuum machine first. The Klaudio is nother but distilled water. The filter on it is the size of a beer can as opposed to the pencil eraser one on the Degritter. The sound is great and less surface noise than anything I've used, including the Kirmuss and Degritter. I want nothing in the grooves when I'm finished, or as close to it as I can get.
@mostirreverent
2 жыл бұрын
Just microwave your de ionized water if you’re worried about bacteria. Any container you put the water in is going to have bacteria in it anyway
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
You could, sure but also remember that it's a faff, yet another step and I've heard that microwaving in a home machine can be patchy in terms of removing bacteria and virii while the majority of the latter are better removed during a heating process. Also a distilled water container is sterile. So yea but I'd rather go distilled in the first place and not even worry about that.
@themirrorimage2022
Жыл бұрын
Based on a lot of research I did myself but especially your lenghty video about the Degritter I ordered one myself. Now I understood from this and the Degritter video that the use of Surfactants is done before you put the vinyl in the Degritter. I understand from this video which surfactants are best to use, but what I do not yet understand is how exactly you apply it to the vinyl??? Maybe a stupid question, but I would still like it answered…..😉
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
Check out the vinyl prep section of this Guide for the answer to that one: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@gwadaflat
2 жыл бұрын
Hi , Ok I finally received my Tergikleen and found my distilled water! What am I missing to clean my vinyls with the Degritter as you please? Should I also buy the Ilford Ilfotol? What alcohol do you use please? Thank you !
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Check out my Cleaning Guide for more help on this: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@1christian1sonne1
3 жыл бұрын
Do a double surfactant test with Tergitol and Triton X-100 please :-) (50% 50% ore 40% 40%).
@PlusDeltaM
Жыл бұрын
Hi, Paul Love the channel, such a great resource. I'm using Ilfotol as my surfatant of choice using 1 part Ilfotol to 200 parts distilled water. What ratio of Propylene Glycol would you recommend if I added it to the solution? Cheers!
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
H Andrew - I'd advise checking out my Vinyl Cleaning Guide on my website first. See if that helps further: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@monk1100
2 ай бұрын
Can dehumidifier water be good to use
@TheAudiophileMan
2 ай бұрын
I would say no because it can still contain mold, bacteria, spores and other contaminants.
@glennlosasso7657
3 жыл бұрын
I'm using your formulas for diluted Tergikleen and Glycol found on your website. I'm unclear on the amount of glycol you add as you dispense two "half vial" amounts into the liter of diluted Tergikleen. If you were to guess what is that volume of glycol? Does the exact amount matter?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
I would say between 1-2ml. You really want to stay in that zone, otherwise you’ll need more alcohol to melt it off and you don’t want to go above 7% really.
@maurice4407
3 жыл бұрын
Just received my bottle of Triton X 100 and the paper says "next test date 2031" so in 10 years . One question are you saying that 20 micro drop[s for 2 litres ? so my question, do you transfer to a smaller spray bottle for clean records , spray on the records before it goes into the ultra sonic ??
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Please see my pinned comment for more on Triton.
@StonefieldJim4
3 жыл бұрын
Agree with all this, except the distinction between distilled and de-ionised water: a non-issue for vinyl fans.
@billymuellerTikTok
Жыл бұрын
11:25 spring water contains bacteria which defeats the purpose of using distilled water if you're going to put it in used spring water bottles. distilled water doesn't mean bacteria cannot grow, it means that the bacteria in the water has been killed by boiling it off.
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
If the container is cleaned with distilled water (which I noted in the video) then that should suffice. To see more on my Vinyl Cleaning System, please see this link which goes into more detail: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@billymuellerTikTok
Жыл бұрын
@@TheAudiophileMan you'd have to clean the bottle with bleach or boil it to kill any bacteria in it - or maybe run it through your dishwasher on the hot / sanitize cycle or microwave it and hope it doesn't melt. or open a brand new spring water bottle that you haven't drank from. if bacteria were capsaicin in a spicy food like chicken wings, then distilled water is like drinking water or beer if you had a lot of hot wings, it just moves the capsaicin around the rest of your mouth and down your throat. you need bleu cheese dressing or another dairy product like milk to attach the lactose molecules to the capsaicin molecules and counteract them. I understand not wanting to use tap water for record cleaning, but the benefits of using distilled water instead of less expensive spring or filtered water are nullified by using the used spring water bottle. in the end I don't think it matters much, there is a lot more bacteria, mildew, mold and must in the record jackets themselves and you're hopefully not going to use the record as a plate to eat off of. :)
@TheAudiophileMan
Жыл бұрын
@@billymuellerTikTok Yes, I did assume (possibly wrongly?) that a new spring water bottle would be used. Chicken wings were not in my mind when making this video :) And sure, use what you feel is right for you. I have my views, as you've heard but I offer a guide for you to interpret. Not a strict code with legal implications if you don't follow it by the book.
@ukzen9309
3 жыл бұрын
I followed the Tergikleen link and there are large postage and customs charges to add on.
@razorback-mark
3 жыл бұрын
I have been using Triton for some time now. After watching your video it sounds like I am using way too much. I have been putting a cap full (approx 10 ml) per 2 gallons of distilled water. The Triton I have is 99% so it is slightly thick and I usually warm the water so it will mix in easier. How many ml would you recommend or what would you dilute to and how much of the dilution would you use per gallon of water. I bought 16oz of the x-100 from Amazon for 26.00 US. It was listed as Biopharm Triton X100. Thanks for your informative video.
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark - you may find my Cleaning System of use, incidentally: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/ Let me measure my Triton here. Be back ASAP on that.
@ejshelby5460
3 жыл бұрын
ILFOTOL: can I dilute it with water, then load a spray bottle, and spray onto the record? then wait for a few seconds, and wipe off?
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Have a read of this general vinyl cleaning guide, recently (ish) posted on my site. A video version will follow but not yet. It might answer all of your questions. It's aimed at manual, low-cost (relatively) cleaning. Give me a shout if you need help afterwards: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
@tele-j5325
2 жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for the great video! A quick question for you. I am currently using Ilfotol, since I had already opened a container. Do you feel that a distilled water rinse is needed after cleaning in diluted Ilfotol? I know that this product is supposed to offer anti static properties as well. I'm not sure if I would be doing myself any favors by doing a final rinse. I haven't been able to find any reliable information to determine if any Ilfotol residue is a concern or not. Thanks in advance for your advice!
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. A rinse is recommended.
@aussierob7177
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. I clean my records with a record cleaning fluid, a mold release agent . A work turntable (direct drive) and a record cleaning machine. Then to finish off, a bottle of record preservative. i do this to both used records and brand new ones. If this is not done there will be irreversible damage to the record after the first play.
@MoltenJules
3 жыл бұрын
Did you think of testing a common surfactant such as Dishwasher Rinse Aid. Ideally a non-perfumed one. But the main active ingredient is a surfactant.
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not, Julian. There's far too many other chemicals in those things which don't help at all. Please avoid.
@paulsil1705
2 жыл бұрын
I use Kodak Photo-flo 200. Used it for negatives for years and now use it for cleaning vinyl. Recommended.
@TheAudiophileMan
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment, Paul. Yes, I've looked at this one in the past. Photo Flo consist of Glycol (which I recommend for all vertical cleaners - I refer to it in my Degritter and Disco Antistat reviews and my website-based vinyl cleaning Guide) plus Triton x100 which I include in this video and test as a separate substance. That said, I no longer recommend Triton (see the warning in the Comments) because it has been found to be dangerous to wildlife. It's now banned in Europe.
@philmingasson
3 жыл бұрын
Paul to be honest I'm a bit confused with the whole cleaning vinyls process. Making my own research I realise TritonX is actually a detergent. I saw some video of people using this apparently rather successfully (just using the big 5L canisters of it that you can find, probably less concentrated compared to the small gizmo you're advertising on your video :). So I'm not sure a "surfactant" is the same as a "detergent" ? For me a surfactant is a wetting agent that helps the liquid go down the grooves of our vinyls and would be COMPLEMENTARY to a detergent. Many recipes I see mix in different proportions distilled water, alcohol, a wetting agent (ilford, TritonX, all the above mentioned in your video or Tetenal Mirasol that I mentioned to you elsewhere, AND a few drops of detergent (liquid soap). So I'm a bit concerned using TritonX i.e. would be overlapping the function of regular soap... Would you be so kind and clear this out for me ? Also I'm not sure what proportions I'm supposed to use. A few drops can be 3 or 6, one the double of the other... Thanx so much for your help and patience :)
@TheAudiophileMan
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Philippe - check out my recently posted, manual cleaning guide on my website for now. Hopefully it will help: theaudiophileman.com/vinyl-cleaning-guide-part-1-manual-cleaning/
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