At first there shows very little difference. Then as the sun goes down, the shadows become more visible with detail in the X. At night, it becomes rather clear how much better X is at low light. Nice.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Also find the color matches v-raptor better with the X. Thanks Scott!
@deceres1
Жыл бұрын
Yeah shadows noise is far better on the X
@adissabovic
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLostKuma I liked the greenish tint better than magenta. :)
@KenFlanagan
Жыл бұрын
Excellent test. Thx. The best comparison I have seen that actually shows the difference. Thx.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the kind words. We did this really quickly, may do more in future. Thanks again!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
And no talking head to sit through =P
@RhondalynMack-c3c
Жыл бұрын
I think the OG Komodo looks more cinematic and filmic. While the low light is a tad bit better its not a game changer and tbh no one is filming at high iso. The higher frames are great but most of is the media storage, it's the best thing they have done to Komodo X. They will pair great together Great job Red!!!!!
@robetus
Жыл бұрын
The low light comparison is just, wow. Unbelievable how much the X has improved.
@TheLostKuma
5 ай бұрын
yeah its amazing! sorry for the late reply
@KevinReyesDP
Жыл бұрын
1:35 crazy how much more light the X is letting in!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, those couple shots i had to do a triple take on the metadata to check all settings were indeed identical including lens aperture. i still wanna go test that spot one more time now
@willvazquez3218
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic tests! Thanks for sharing. I don’t know what everyone’s talking about the X shifting magenta. I feel like it’s just neutral now, and compared to the old Komodo that is really green, it just seems like the new one is magenta. But if you look at the whites, the whites look neutral. Really need to see more tests. One thing for certain is that the green foliage is much more natural compared to old Komodo with the radioactive green look. Which has always been a red problem going back to the beginning. Green grass and trees always looked neon. It’s improved significantly in newer cameras. Thank you.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think there may be a ever so slight magenta shift on the X, but I think it just appears more that way because of how green teh Komodo is. When we were shooting the tests, what we could notice right off the bat was how green the OG K is, and its something I've long thought before putting side by side with other cameras. Other than trees there was nothing green about any of what we shot.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
and thank you for the kind words! and most certainly yes, i'm not sure i'll bother with more side-by-side testing but i hope others do pickup and do some as well, without forcing us through too much talking head
@brivnii
Жыл бұрын
That low light comparison is very impressive!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, just glad i can help in some way if any
@adonis0red
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for those tests,, Really appreciated!!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
thank you!! i generally do tests for myself but do post it in case its helpful to others, so always appreciate comments like this because editing is a pain even for simple stuff :)
@brandonpeterson40
Жыл бұрын
I always found the Komodo to lean a bit green. Seems like they fixed that, but maybe a bit too far as the X leans a bit magenta. That extra shadow detail is nice!!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Agreed Brandon! Always found the OG komodo to lean (rather heavily) green sometimes. Was very surprised by shadow detail, almost looks like exposed differently but i checked the metadata quite a few times to make sure it all lined up apples to apples
@KevinReyesDP
Жыл бұрын
Was just about to comment this.
@kazlepek6552
Жыл бұрын
They actually tweaked the Komodo X to match the V raptor .. the Raptor leans magenta. I actually like a tinge of green
@brandonpeterson40
Жыл бұрын
@@kazlepek6552 I have 2 V-Raptors and I don't think they lean this magenta in the skintones but I've never shot it together with the X yet so I'll reserve judgement
@PaulePorter
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the test. Colour wise I prefer the OG Komodo but it is almost shocking how much better the X is in low light. And In some shots it also appears that the X let’s in more light
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the X letting in more light i was pretty surprised too. I had to do a double take multiple times on settings on camera/lens.
@bbrunorocha
Жыл бұрын
i dont think it's letting more light in, i think they just use different EV values for each ISO value. In the OG, you might need to expose 1/3 brighter to get the same EV, but i can't confirm without testing it. But this difference would be enough for us to see this different results , especially regarding noise
@GuillaumeCornetfilms
Жыл бұрын
Why does the Komodo X seems consistently softer accross every shot? I'm not impressed by the difference tbh. Don't get me wrong, I love my Komodo, but low light has never been i's forte and what I just saw really doesn't entice me to make the upgrade if this was the only decision factor. Thanks for putting this together!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
its just as sharp. we didn't use a monitor or even peaking or any other focus tools on the top screen so alot of stuff is out of focus. we weren't too fussed about focus as not the point of the test :)
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
this will show you how simple/casual we ran... instagram.com/p/Csmmn4XgGA3/ hahaha
@barrywilliams2881
10 ай бұрын
I hope the KX is softer cause I do narrative films. My OG and Sirui lenses are to sharp
@TylerEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Awesome test thanks for sharing!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
thank you! appreciate the kind words. just a casual quick one for my own benefit to learn but figured always nice to share
@mahmoodalsalmi6591
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your time and effort Really Great video
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, appreciate the kind words.
@thiagolimadop
Жыл бұрын
It feels like the KX is using a sony sensor. Too clean and poor color separation. Love the Komodo OG
@DynamicPhil84
Жыл бұрын
The shot comparisons after the 1:36 mark are really quite incredible! Almost looks like an extra stop of dynamic range in the shadows on the X. WOW!! And all the footage at ISO 6400 looks totally usable and noise has that film grain fineness. I always felt the OG Komodo was hit or miss at ISO 6400. ISO 12800 still looks a bit too noisy on the X, but in certain situations with correct noise reduction applied, I think it could be usable. Feels like the X is more or less in line with low light performance of the Canon C70. Amazing! If there's any chance you could do a comparison between the X and the Gemini, I'd be very curious to see that. Thanks!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the results were quite surprising for me in the shadows (particularly that section, i had to triple check the metadata to make sure i didn't mess up the test). I've only used hte c70 briefly but I'd say the same about low-light performance comparing to the X. I've acutally never used a gemini before, but do have access to one so perhaps thats the next thing i do....
@DynamicPhil84
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLostKuma Wow man, that's a pretty awesome position to be in, having access to both the Komodo X, OG Komodo, and a Gemini!! Look forward to whatever additional testing and footage you can share. Nice work!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
@@DynamicPhil84 nono i only have komodo-x and komodo (and v-raptors). gemini though i have a couple friends around :)
@jeremy_woods
Жыл бұрын
Man the X just looked Jaundiced 😂. I actually thought color separation and tone looked better on the OG than the X. Noise performance and low light however belong to the X.
@rodrigodeantonibrito
Жыл бұрын
Would be great if you try to push the Komodo shots in post to match the KX. I was expecting more from X.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
that's a great idea
@anthonybert100
Жыл бұрын
Is it me or the Komodo X seem to shift to red magenta (I know the K OG is leaning towards green), and looking at the T-shirt, it would be interesting to know which version it the true version K or KX, because it nearly feel that there is a bit of an infrared problem there... but I could be wrong.
@mahmoodalsalmi6591
Жыл бұрын
I agree about " the Komodo X seem to shift to red magenta " I have found the komodo has better colour's What do you think ? Anthony ??
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
yes do think it shifts slightly to magenta, not unlike the v-raptor so i feel they were designed to match. the OG komodo i find the leaste accurate with a very noticeable shift to green.
@rMr.big13
Жыл бұрын
This is huge shift😮
@robertruffo2134
Жыл бұрын
Trivial to fix in post
@robertruffo2134
Жыл бұрын
It's not really about using extreme ISOs, it's about the ability to bring up regions of an image in post. X for sure worth extra $$$
@TheLostKuma
5 ай бұрын
agreed!
@baijunatarajan
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@alexlubensky
Жыл бұрын
Wow, what's wrong with the OLPF stack - there's noticeable IR pollution in the first half in every single shot. The road is so red on X, and the shirt - I'd say it's really, really bad. Night interiors with in the end do really look on-point on the Komodo X in terms of color, and it does seem to see a bit better in the shadows (slightly different curve?). But it's becoming really annoying how every new camera from RED has a different tint correction needed to it. Especially if you're not an owner op
@alexlubensky
Жыл бұрын
What was the color of the shirt? Is it true black or somewhat milky grey-black? This might be not an IR, but a raised responce in the lower part of the image, but still looks bad when side by side with the OG Komodo
@rMr.big13
Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm good point
@rMr.big13
Жыл бұрын
Looked at it again…. These shot with same white balance?…. If so OLPF STACK …….is way off
@Justin_Allen
Жыл бұрын
@@alexlubensky This was my thought as well. However the black shift difference is concerning.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
@@rMr.big13 yes, same white balance settings.
@lifeingeneral9111
Жыл бұрын
watching it for the second time something is really off on the X and should be corrected before the black X is released but it won't be as usual.
@B1TN3RD
11 ай бұрын
Normally you would never go high ISO in low-light situations with any RED camera. ISO on the RED ecosystem, works a bit backwards. A higher ISO means that the middle gray value will be shifted to the shadow side you have more highlight retention. Vice versa lower ISO means the middle gray value will be shifted up to the highlights, so you have a higher tonal range in the shadows, thus a better shadow quality. Setting this value during the shot is essential, even if you shoot in RAW and can change the ISO value afterwards, it still can affect the quality of your image.
@TheLostKuma
11 ай бұрын
Yup doesn’t mean it’s not worth testing though
@B1TN3RD
11 ай бұрын
@@TheLostKuma For sure, however I am very impressed about how much they were able to reduce the noise compared to the OG Komodo. What I love about the KOMODO or any RED camera "noise" is that it looks like a monochromatic filmic grain, just beautiful (as long you keep your ISO lower and bump up the gain or offset in Davinci resolve). Let's see what the future brings, maybe I will upgrade to the Komodo X as well.
@TheLostKuma
11 ай бұрын
@@B1TN3RD 100% agreed. i think in general the "quality" or. "look" of noise and noise patterns is not considered nearly enough!
@JitDawgBruhDang
Жыл бұрын
I need to see the Komodo X against the raptor. I’ll luv u 4eva
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
haha i'm getting too lazy for tests these days. what exactly would you like to see?
@JitDawgBruhDang
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLostKuma how they work together color wise but seeing a test like this but with raptor and not the OG Komodo
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
@@JitDawgBruhDang will keep in mind if i ever get out for antoher side-by-side test! thanks
@i.amreis
Жыл бұрын
Came from IG 🤟🏻
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
hey man! nice to (sorta) meet you! hope this helps. i dont do that many fancy things but do try to post results when i do little tests.
@heyyoumen1
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison! Would you be open to doing a dynamic range comparison? say shooting both cameras against a sunset or an indoor scenario with a window that shows the outside during the day?
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to but probably wont get the time to get around to doing it... looking to do a rear-nd test first!
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
i think Phil Holland did a DR test, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet
@szain2
Жыл бұрын
Why Komodo looks good in 1:20? 🤔
@philpritchard5173
10 ай бұрын
Yes I noticed that too. Way better in that particular shot.
@John-e4p1x
Жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@John-e4p1x
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLostKuma Where was this filmed? Looks like a cool city.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
@@John-e4p1x this was in singapore! we just went around the ocrner from teh studio, cus we've done the cliche/touristy places for tests so much already
@VulcanworxSG
Жыл бұрын
Komodo Green tint vs X magenta tint is quite obvious even on my tiny iPhone! Super stoked to see low light improvement of KX
@ItsBerg
10 ай бұрын
Problem with this is, Komodo doesn’t use iso the way a mirrorless does. You’re supposed to use lower isos in low light, so a “high iso” test will be protecting highlights vs capturing shadow detail. Thanks for the comparison but this fact makes the comparison skewed. Shoot the low light shots at 250-640 iso and then show the clips. X is much cleaner in the shadows.
@TheLostKuma
10 ай бұрын
yes, i mean not just komodo but this is general common sense for many cinema cameras. but doesn't mean it shouldnl't be tested in this way... if you're on a small shoot and in a pinch have to grab shots without being able to properly light in low-light one still has to know the limits and capabilities of all gear in every way. but fully agreed with you!
@darkechoproductionsllc9559
Жыл бұрын
You do know that iso means nothing on reds? This is not a dslr camera
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
Yup
@kylehalim5957
Жыл бұрын
What about the dynamic range? Komodo has 13. What about the X?
@readytochop2462
Жыл бұрын
Noticing green cast in og
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
yup, think its pretty well known since the camera came out. a nice green though
@JoeCnNd
Жыл бұрын
What's up with 1:25 why does the x look like it was shot in 720p and the Komodo look like 6k.
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
hey, in the description mentioned we didn't use monitors or focus tools so some parts are OOF. wasn't testing for sharpness or resolution that day
@faresel_hnawi7433
8 ай бұрын
WB isn't the same
@TheLostKuma
5 ай бұрын
set to be the same, color science is very different, one is on its own and the other matched w/ v-raptor
@iyason6878
2 ай бұрын
Too much magenta in komodo x
@chewenkuo564
Жыл бұрын
komodo x has ugly color
@lifeingeneral9111
Жыл бұрын
the X is too red
@TheLostKuma
Жыл бұрын
made to match v-raptor and s35 v-raptor, whihc it succeeds in. the og komodo is also too green
@BD06
7 ай бұрын
Why do i like the Komodo over X, though i like the colours of X. 😭
@TheLostKuma
5 ай бұрын
its always fair to have personal preferences for any or no reason!
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