TIMESTAMPS: 1. 5:13 Other religious traditions are unreliable therefor hadiths probably are too. 2. 16:10 Hadith collections were made long after the Prophet (pbuh)'s death. 3. 23:42 Hadiths have contradictions + Joshua debunks himself. 4. 28:39 Hadiths were fabricated for political motives. 5. 34:03 Hadiths speak of later events. 6. 45:35 Supernatural explanations for reports are unlikely. 7. 49:39 Reports that hadiths were being mass-fabricated. 8. 54:18 Isnads were created long after Prophet (pbuh)'s death. 9. 1:02:27 Meaning of the word "Sunnah" changed over time. 10. 1:10:32 Growth in number of hadiths over time. 11. 1:23:19 Lack of hadiths in early sources. 12. 1:28:34 Reattribution of hadith/isnads were extended back. 13. 1:45:28 Hadiths were fabricated to settle legal debates. 14. 1:59:11 Hadiths contradict earlier sources. 15. 2:07:07 Oral tradition is unrelaible. 16. 2:19:43 Variations between multiple narrarations of a hadith + hadiths = game of telephone! 17. 2:25:17 Hadith use literary devices. 18. 2:32:38 Hadiths could be the product of storytelling. 19. 2:37:30 Conflicting understandings of Quran verses. 20. 2:44:58 Disconnect between apparent meaning of Quran verses and exegesis from commentators in the hadith + argument against Islam turns into a proof for Islam! 21. 2:54:50 Methods for grading hadiths don't work. Super beneficial stream, may Allah reward you Farid ❤.
@snpddl8540
6 ай бұрын
May Allah bless you I was doing the timestamps aswell but it seems you beat me in terms of formating and in terms of speed lol One piece of advice I give is to include the start of each wave The first wave being from points 1 -7 Second wave from 8-13 Third wave being from 14-21
@WeWillAllReturnToAllahSoon
6 ай бұрын
10 points for u, this time brother Farid will definitely nod in agreement. truly though, jazak Allah khair
@battekyake6107
6 ай бұрын
@@snpddl8540 Thanks, ill add the waves. Edit: i tried to add them but it seems like you cant edit pinned comments :/
@snpddl8540
6 ай бұрын
@@battekyake6107 did you do the time stamps manually or use ai? I
@lightofilm6228
6 ай бұрын
Jazakallahu Khairan
@agp4580
6 ай бұрын
From the bottom of my heart, jazakallahu khayr for your efforts. May Allah grant you al-firdous
@badvibes2568
6 ай бұрын
Jazzak allah kier aki. Thank you for doing my request. May Allah grant you the best reward. شكراً جزيلاً
@snpddl8540
6 ай бұрын
*This list is incomplete, refer to the other list by another commenter * Point 1 : prior probability 7:27 Point 2 :Lateness of the sources 16:10 Point 3 :Full of contradictions 23:44 Point 4 :propgandist reports 28:38 Point 5 : false prophecies and supernatural 33:54 Point 7 :reports of mass fabrication 49:03 Start of second wave Point 8 : late isnads 54:17 Point 9 : The early usuae of the word sunnah differs from classical usage 1:02:17 Point 10 : Rapid numeral growth in hadith 1:10:12 Indirect vs direct hadith ie ibn abbas 1:15:04 Harold mitzki and ibn abbas 1:18:50 Abu hurayrah the misogynist 1:22:00 Point 11 :Absence of hadith in early sources 1:23:14 Point 12 : Retrojecting or rasing of hadith 1:28:07 Point 13 : Peculiar patterns inconsistent with genuine history 1:45:28 Passing comment :short isnads, long lives 1:52:26 Juynball, Micheal cook, unfair standards 1:54:50 Start of 3rd wave Point 14 : Hadiths contradict earlier sources 1:58:49 Point 15: Orality means less precision of transmission 2:07:02
@clearskybluewaters
6 ай бұрын
where rest?
@snpddl8540
6 ай бұрын
@@clearskybluewaterssabr
@Sigmacat42
6 ай бұрын
Will you add the rest or are you only planning on adding these ones.
@snpddl8540
6 ай бұрын
Someone beat me to it refer to the other commenter @@Sigmacat42
@snpddl8540
6 ай бұрын
@@clearskybluewaterssomeone beat me to it. Refer to other list in the comments
@UmarAlHashimiy
3 ай бұрын
Wallahi these videos, where we watch with you in real time whilst being engaged is so entertaining and fulfilling. More of these videos ya akhi al-kareem ❤🔥
@SoonWeWillAllReturnToAllah
6 ай бұрын
may Allah bless you brother Fareed فعلا، اسم على مسمى يا بطلللل
@_musafir_responds_
5 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I learned a lot. Thanks Farid
@FOOTSHOTS1
5 ай бұрын
The fact that brothers in the chat could answer most of his arguments is hilarious
@Quranical
3 ай бұрын
Salam, All of these arguments can easily be refuted.
@FOOTSHOTS1
3 ай бұрын
@@Quranical yea i know, they got nothing
@Quranical
3 ай бұрын
@@FOOTSHOTS1 Preying on those with less knowledge of the Book to strengthen your position is deceptive.
@FOOTSHOTS1
3 ай бұрын
@@Quranical what do you mean
@gkinguk
6 ай бұрын
when it comes down to it, the orientalist argument comes down to "how can we trust the brown guys"
@stevves4647
5 ай бұрын
I think it probably has more to do with their modernist paradigm, they like to believe that they are at the pinnacle of history no one does it better than them, they cannot fathom 8th century scholars being as rigourous and meticoulous as modern scholarship and that's why I believe they are so quick to make assumptions and jump to conclusions.
@linkup901ify
5 ай бұрын
Exactly. They lean hard on hoping whoever is listening already has a heavy bias for them and against Arabs/Muslims as to ignore the flaws in their reasoning. If anyone reading this is one of those people who was like "this Joshua guy is making so much sense!" then you should ask yourselves how come you didn't notice the flaws pointed out? What better answer is there than bias? What happened to your critical thinking?
@halim7725
5 ай бұрын
That guy is not just some random unbiased "scholar" (it's such a joke to call him that now), he used to have a youtube channel with the name "klingschor" and he spent all his time hanging around islamophobes. I guess that he needed to delete everything to persue his academic journey but I remember he was extremely biased and hated Islam with a passion. His task is specifically to destroy the system of islamic knowledge, that's why he's trying to throw any and every theory about how the system is supposedly weak, while he himself knows very well that if he were to transfer his methodology to any other theological/historical system, he wouldn't have to find these kinds of arguments because all the other systems are extremely weak in comparison. In other words, the system of hadith is so strong that he has to be very innovative and throw whatever he can to attack it.
@muhammadhassanaliiqbal1117
5 ай бұрын
@@halim7725 Interesting, where can I find the evidence required to incriminate Joshua as Klingschor?
@halim7725
5 ай бұрын
@@muhammadhassanaliiqbal1117 Well after investigating a little, the only thing which I found is an old video on a channel called AtheismTV where you can see him using this nickname. But I saw that apparently his stance evolved since then. Back then he was a hardcore neo-atheist and islamophobe and he claims that he changes and I saw that he posted a lot of anti-zionist content on twitter so, I guess he changed a little. But still, he's very far from being a "scholar", let alone compete with classical hadith scholarship.
@clearskybluewaters
6 ай бұрын
35:35 Wouldn't the beginning of Surah Ar-Rum be a point against that? What stopped the Prophet from prophesying about future events? All the prophecies mentioned at Farid prompting are convincing enough for me, so we need to find the person who made those prophecies, if, audhubillah, it wasn't Muhammad (SAW).
@clearskybluewaters
6 ай бұрын
in fact we should expect, by the standards of Joshua, to find prophesies in the seerah about all kinds of things as per his reference to something like Daniel (sorta accurate to really accurate to completely false after such date). Another reason why "the Fed" is just a propagandist lol its so pathetic him trying to larp as a critical orientalist.
@everyzylrian
5 ай бұрын
@@clearskybluewaters The sira and hadith literature IS full of prophecies after the event. What are you talking about? lol
@lopez4059
5 ай бұрын
First live by Farid of this size. BarakAllahu Feek akhi
@samy7013
3 ай бұрын
اللّهُـمَّ صَلِّ عَلـى مُحمَّـدٍ وَعَلـى أَزْواجِـهِ وَذُرِّيَّـتِه، كَمـا صَلَّيْـتَ عَلـى آلِ إبْراهـيم . وَبارِكْ عَلـى مُحمَّـدٍ وَعَلـى أَزْواجِـهِ وَذُرِّيَّـتِه، كَمـا بارِكْتَ عَلـى آلِ إبْراهـيم . إِنَّكَ حَمـيدٌ مَجـيد Allāhumma ṣalli `alā Muḥammadin wa `alā 'azwājihi wa dhurriyyatihi, kamā ṣallayta `alā 'āli 'Ibrāhīma. Wa bārik `alā Muḥammadin wa `alā 'azwājihi wa dhurriyyatihi, kamā bārakta `alā 'āli 'Ibrāhīma. 'Innaka ḥamīdum-majīd. O Allah, bestow Your favor on Muhammad and upon his wives and progeny as You have bestowed Your favor upon the family of Ibrahim. And bless Muhammad and his wives and progeny as You have blessed the family of Ibrahim, You are full of praise, Most Glorious. Reference: Al-Bukhari, from Al-Asqalani, Fathul-Bari 6/ 407, Muslim 1/306.
@Sigmacat42
6 ай бұрын
Props to Farid and everyone who had enough dedication to watch Joshua Little yap for 3 hours straight 😆
@terribleveteran7678
5 ай бұрын
Would be beneficial if you did a similar thing like this responding to the supposed errors in the Quran found by Sami aldeeb, especially his rhetorical and grammatical errors.
@Nixo77
5 ай бұрын
Error's in the The Holy Qur'an? thats a new one
@MuhammadWii-xy2be
5 ай бұрын
I don't think Dr Little has sufficient knowledge of hadith sciences based on this video. Many of these "problems" were first found by hadith scholars and they already dealt with them accordingly.
@PathtoParadise-bk9yz
5 ай бұрын
I don't think he's ignorant, I think he knows enough about the science hadith. It's just that he has an agenda to discredit hadith
@ibnmianal-buna3176
5 ай бұрын
@@PathtoParadise-bk9yzpaid actor possibly
@clearskybluewaters
6 ай бұрын
2:00:16 lol Mecca is also seen as polytheistic in Quran as well. I wonder what his fellow Orientalist have to say about Quran speaking to polytheist who aren't polytheist? They are probably hearing the Quran and going like "who is this guy talking to?"
@ShafqatjahanTabassum
6 ай бұрын
Which polytheist? Is Quran speaking to who aren't??
@cygnusprime6728
5 ай бұрын
Yeah that's a bizarre argument. I mean if someone accepts Quran but rejects Hadith, that is a huge problem.
@YungRamo
5 ай бұрын
THis joshua guy keeps talking about how there are so many examples but never gives any, so annoying...
@TheHaqtivist
5 ай бұрын
Allahumma Barik. May Allah preserve you.
@mithunkhan937
5 ай бұрын
mashallah brother farid..
@zkhan429
5 ай бұрын
I feel like Joshua is using difficult words to hide his bullshit.. though Javed does make it easier to follow. Farid and his live streamers just debunked them during snack time 😂
@Haris-ny3sw
5 ай бұрын
JazakAllah khairan may Allaah reward you!
@Mohammad_Qunbos
4 ай бұрын
2:53:00 Surah 112 debunks every other religion on earth. Not only Christianity.
@letstalksomeball921
6 ай бұрын
ma sha Allah brother i love u for Allah sake
@muhammedshanushan3931
6 ай бұрын
He is saying he doesn’t rule out supernatural events apriori then go on to say(@ 40:00 ) that prior probability of supernatural events are vanishingly small Circular fallacy It’s doesn’t matter whether you assume the prior probability to be zero or closer to zero , either way it assumes Islam to be false and can’t be used as evidence against Islam(Begging the Question)
@tomasrocha6139
5 ай бұрын
Miracles have an extremely low prior probability by definition.
@muhammedshanushan3931
5 ай бұрын
@@tomasrocha6139 No
@sunset2.00
5 ай бұрын
I bet if he really thought of small probability of divine influence on human kind he would say it's probable it might happen. I just started the video let's see if I am right
@slashmonkey8545
3 ай бұрын
@@tomasrocha6139if you want him to understand where you are coming from then you need to type more than that miricales have a low prior probability.
@tomasrocha6139
3 ай бұрын
@@slashmonkey8545 It's in the very definition of miracle
@angosalvo5734
5 ай бұрын
بارك الله فيك. قديما البعض يقولون أن علم الحديث علم يقوم على سوء الظن بالراوي .. و المقصود هو أن الرواية مرفوضة ما لم تأت من راوي معروف أنه ثقة. و السبب هو الاحتياط أن يروي أحدا حديثا مكذوبا عن النبي صلى الله عنه و سلم. طبعا هناك من شذ عن هذا و أخذ برواية مجاهيل الحال، باعتبار أن المسلم في الأصل صادق و لا يطلب التحقق إلا إذا كان الراوي فاسق كما في الآية.لكن عموم المحدثين لم يرضوا بذلك.
@2ouhaha
5 ай бұрын
Imagine a comment section of a student of knowledge, Farid, destroying a "scholar"
@Kimeikus
6 ай бұрын
Javad just looks so disappointed 😂
@binmanbinman
5 ай бұрын
These new age pseudo orientalists are not bringing their best. 😂
@mugeesa_bint_hamid
6 ай бұрын
Plz Farid bro.. I love u so much.. get one good camera
@adnanzia9167
5 ай бұрын
Farid you are doung great work in defending Islam, I would like to ask, whether you studied a degree in Islamic studies?
@FaridResponds
5 ай бұрын
Thanks! No degree.
@babahadjimohamed9339
5 ай бұрын
Salam alaikum, here to show support
@mohammedmostapha5887
5 ай бұрын
If sahaba (R.A) laid when transmitting Hadith what guarantees that they didn't lie when transmitting the Quran !Subah Allah Rather these orientalist are the lairs. The sahaba R.A have been praised by Allah ﷻ as the most faithful and most honest ppl they wouldn't have allowed fabrication about their beloved Prophet ﷺ to float around without stopping it.
@JoeNoah
5 ай бұрын
Based Farid as usual
@AmroAlmasry-ek3yb
5 ай бұрын
The majority of the arguments sound like this: There's weak hadiths therefore all hadiths are weak. Like we are aware of contradictions and sectarian fabrications this is why we made the hadith science to begin with, to differentiate between hadiths with problems and hadiths without problems and with also reasons to believe in them.
@everyzylrian
5 ай бұрын
You realize reason #21 is about why hadith sciences dont work right
@-__--__-_--
5 ай бұрын
you missinterpreted quite a few point, i'm only 1 hour in but i expect more from you
@user-xe5ts7rk3h
4 ай бұрын
Not even misinterpreting, deliberately just skipping over things said
@carbonic9115
Ай бұрын
Its frustrating that these people call themselves "muslim", and never add SAWW after mentioning the Prophet's name
@user-uv7kf8lm2p
6 ай бұрын
Long streams always da best
@user-uv7kf8lm2p
6 ай бұрын
Please more long content
@muhammadabdullahqureshi1941
6 ай бұрын
Twitter got banned in Pakistan, Farid we need you on other platforms.
@siyovushm2317
5 ай бұрын
Good work
@user-st5en7iu4o
6 ай бұрын
There were some interesting comments at the beginning, but the further along you go the less convincing responses to the arguments are given. Imho
@agp4580
6 ай бұрын
Even though the guy claimed that his later arguments are more substantial/strong. lol
@@SheldrakeFischer As an example, Joshua Little argues that when analyzing hadith, the message is constantly changing, comparing the quality of the transmission to a game of telephone. To which Farid simply said that it is not like playing the game of telephone..... This is not a very convincing rebuttal. Or take the penultimate example about surah 112. He agreed with Little's interpretation. But if the hadith was correct. then that interpretation must be false. It's also very doubtful that no one knew this creed. It's read at every liturgy, at least today.
@rogdarorfod
5 ай бұрын
that قسورة example was hilarious 😂. It can mean lion or group of men or hunters or sound of men and their voices, basically anything that would frighten the donkeys.
@rajahzia
24 күн бұрын
I have an argument sir. It is possible for the likes of Muawiya, Yazid or just about any Ummayad during the first 2 centuries of Islam to buy any number of hadith narrators, and corrupt the entire chain. You cant claim that person xyz is trustworthy, 10,000 dinars was a lot of money back in the day, and Muawiya dynasty was extremely wealthy. Once the companions of the prophet passed away, the issue of trust becomes focal. I have no good reason to trust anyone after the 1st or 2nd generation. Every man has a price, and the Ummayads were the wealthiest people in the region. It simply does not make any sense to me, to trust an entire chain of narrators because they were allegedly of "good moral character."
@bishaarsabtow
6 ай бұрын
22:22 ما شاء الله Goku!
@MohammadFaisalSaleem
26 күн бұрын
Akhi, this video is a gem on KZitem. Do not ever take it down. This little guy is a deceptive snake and is good to see a refutation on his works from you.
@justinwallace1193
7 күн бұрын
I haven’t watch all the video as the title says it all. There’s just soo much going on here with this video response; psychologically, emotionally, cognitively, biologically, reputations on the line, drama, voyeurism, it’s fascinating. Imagine feeling duty bound to do such a video, he’s enslaved himself…Oxford Scholar, no problemo, I’ll deal with him 😂.
@LADavis-ih3ok
6 ай бұрын
3:02:56 the last point #21 is the most inane and idiotic. No wonder he kept it last.
@jawaadshahid
17 сағат бұрын
You cant build an argument with smaller points of 0 value. 0+0+0+0=0. Even joshua and javad admit alot of the points can be refuted, which makes its value 0 and should be disregarded. Continueing to include it is dishonest
@idrea43
5 ай бұрын
2:35:51 my guess is that the best argument made was when he used a report from salih saying that jabir only knew 15/16 Hadith of the prophet but the young men of his time were saying “the prophet said” 20 times per hour. Can plausibly indicate fabrication of additional Hadith by later people after the earlier people died. But if we grant this hypothesis there is no issue either way, because the Islamic tradition acknowledges that there were fabricators and deals with them through the science of Hadith. So even if these young men were fabricating Hadith it would not enter the collection of sahih reports. Instead would be deemed “fabricated” (I think it’s mawdu’). But it’s far more plausible that these men listing off 20 Hadith per hour were not fabricators. Instead of it being the case that they mass fabricated Hadith, it’s more likely that they simply had more access to Hadith through their teachers and *Hadith collections*. Whereas the earlier people didn’t have Hadith collections readily available, rather just their teachers and what they could investigate for themselves. And since the later people had books to read hundreds of Hadith from, it makes sense that they’re listing off dozens by the hour. Even though this may have been his best argument, it still has far more plausible explanations (just like his argument of archaeology showing “monotheism” lmao) I noticed that none of his contentions actually discredit the science of Hadith. He raises issues that the science of Hadith is already aware of (fabrication, false memory/memory contamination) and accounts for. Until he discredits the science of Hadith, his issues are forever feeble.
@FaridResponds
5 ай бұрын
Just making sure, you know this is a different Jabir, yeah?
@idrea43
5 ай бұрын
@@FaridRespondsCould you explain please brother?
@FaridResponds
5 ай бұрын
@@idrea43 My bad, I thought you meant that the attributions were made to Jabir bin Abdullah. I misread your post
@idrea43
5 ай бұрын
@@FaridResponds No worries, but you can make it up to me by indulging my 2 requests 👀: I heard that saheefah hamam ibn munabbih has manuscripts going back to the time of the companions. Is this true and if so would you be able to direct me to where I can see it? Can you list off some hadith reports that early hadith collections have in common with later hadith books but through different chains of narrators? Jazakhallahu khayran And we appreciate this doubt busting video
@battekyake6107
5 ай бұрын
@@idrea43Manuscripts of Sahifat Hammam do not go back to the companions. It was written during the time of the companions, but the manuscripts are from later. I believe all of the hadiths in Sahifat Hammam are also in Musnad Ahmad.
@markward3981
5 ай бұрын
السلام عليكم ورحمه الله This guy's arguments weren't worth responding to! He didn't really bring anything new or compelling. His research was actually minimal. Our time is better spent else where.
@YungRamo
5 ай бұрын
Can someone tell me what farid said he thought the strongest argument was? i didnt hear what he said.
@zkhan429
5 ай бұрын
He makes claims but does not support them… there is extreme variation..a lot of evidence.. I don’t see much.. overwhelming evidence.. ok.. where..
@norulshahlamjohn1140
5 ай бұрын
too technical and lengthy. can u shortened it and dumb it down for dumb layman like me. and thanks for the content!
@bhsecurity
6 ай бұрын
They are not convinced what they preach... how can they convince someone else...really poor performance
@ezzy2254
Ай бұрын
Farid, where is the "NYM" origins of isnad video?
@prosperousmind4944
5 ай бұрын
Honestly every point he brought it made me actually even more convinced than before that the science of hadith is actually more rigorous than I even imagined it.
@stuartsummers1303
5 ай бұрын
Name 1 bit of accurate science that was unknown at the time and Muslims at the time accepted. Of all the apparent scientific miracles in the Quran, it’s either: 1) wrong 2) known at the time but seems impressive to uneducated people 3) extensive liberty is taken with translations and meanings in order to make certain passages fit the current scientific consensus. 4) and when incorrect science is found in the Quran, Muslims can just claim it is metaphorical.
@Quranical
3 ай бұрын
Salam, Pseudoscience is not science.
@honingpot4577
3 ай бұрын
Its conjecture at best
@isaacsgolanmalkovizc7428
2 ай бұрын
@@Quranical I don't think you understood what pseudoscience actually means.
@Quranical
2 ай бұрын
@@isaacsgolanmalkovizc7428 Salam, you're free to elaborate.
@bishaarsabtow
5 ай бұрын
2:23:04 This is the PhD? حسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل He is coping.
@abadirabdo10
Ай бұрын
38:32 argument is very bad because the prophet made a prophchey about arab having tall building's but that Doesn't means thoses hadith were written in 21st centuries
@jn6676
6 ай бұрын
20:01:00The Saudi government has an ongoing project to preserve pagan sites, how is that possible if they weren't pagan?
@hamzaimran8539
6 ай бұрын
They’re not Muslims
@ChelWaves
Ай бұрын
Poor refutation dude 😂
@abadirabdo10
Ай бұрын
You watched the video with your eyes and ears closed
@JamalAdams-y8e
Ай бұрын
says the dude that probably trust manuscripts that contradict each other and anonymous writers of the gospels and Paul and the holy spirit
@TheeSinnerman
7 күн бұрын
I think the biggest argument against any and all hadith is that Allah never said its preserved. Allah never once talked about the Hadith in Quran. If it was so important why didn't Allah mention to Follow specific hadith and specific scholars. Why let people go astray and trust "scholars" who are the messengers of the messenger? I'm not questioning, but some of those hadith just don't rhyme with Islam and Allahs message. Some of those Quotes from the prophet read more like a bitter vindictive old man who's trying to validate his beliefs by saying "WELL I DIDN'T SAY IT THE PROPHET DID" Allahu Allam.
@Hasan...
6 күн бұрын
I agree with you. Just a quick correction when you said "Allah never once talked about the Hadith in Qur'an" .. Allah (swt) mentions "hadith" multiple times in the Qur'an, and the only hadith we are required to follow is the Qur'an itself, for example in 45:6 تِلۡكَ ءَايَٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتۡلُوهَا عَلَيۡكَ بِٱلۡحَقِّۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثٍۢ بَعۡدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَٰتِهِۦ يُؤۡمِنُونَ "These are the verses of Allāh (i.e. the Qur'an) which We recite to you in truth. Then in what hadith after Allāh and His verses will they believe?" Indeed many hadiths go completely against the Qur'an and the Sunnah. If we don't reject them we're blind following a book other than Allah. We're blind following scholars. Imam Bukhari was not a messenger, he (including the narrators) can make mistakes. Nor were we asked to dig into historical records to find narrations that (1) Allah (swt) Himself didn't preserve, (2) Allah's Messenger forbade writing of such hadiths, (3) The companions were fearful of narrating too many hadiths, (4) the Sunnah was being followed without any written hadiths by many generations after the Prophet ...so if Islam was completed, then how can the hadiths compiled/restored centuries later be a part of Deen? When will they ponder!
@TheeSinnerman
6 күн бұрын
@@Hasan... Where are you getting that translation brother? I have my Quran in my hand and don't see that verse mentioning "Hadith"
@TheeSinnerman
6 күн бұрын
@@Hasan... I do believe in a lot of Hadith I think When Allah says "establish the prayer" and then You have mosques and jumah and jumah prayer this is the Quran Backing up Hadith talking about Prayer and how to pray. But a lot of the rules and reg don't line up and I won't believe in. If I'm wrong May Allah guide me but I do not wish to follow something other than the word of His Majesty. 🤷🏿♂️
@Hasan...
6 күн бұрын
@@TheeSinnerman There is no problem is following those hadiths that comply with the Qur'an or help explain the rituals of the practices mentioned in the Qur'an. I don't reject all hadiths either. I only have problems with those "Sahih" hadiths that either (1) Contradicts the Qur'an, (2) Mocks our Prophet (saw), (3) Defames other prophets or their wives, (4) degrades women, etc.. and there are many of such unfortunately. I don't reject the Sunnah. We must pray how we see Muslims pray at mosques. But that prayer didn't originate from "hadiths". The "Sunnah" is transmitted practically (in person) taught and learned from Sahaba to tabiyeen, to taba-utabyeen (and so on), they all prayed exactly how the Prophet (saw) prayed, and how we pray, but none of them and none of us needed any written hadiths to be able to learn the prayer ! No one learns "how to pray" from hadiths, just like no Pilot learns how to fly a plane through books, no surgeon learns to do heart implant by reading.. these are practices, which is why they don't exist in the Qur'an because the Prophet (saw) showed it to us. It can only be shown and taught. If someone writes it after centuries, great, but that's not where the Sunnah came from. If you delete/erase all Hadiths from the planet, we Muslims would still continue to pray exactly like this for another million years. That's through the living Sunnah which is preserved through amaly tawatur (perpetual practices transmitted through generations). So hadiths are great for educational/academic purposes, but only if one accepts that they are prone to errors and they are not part of religion. Because, as I said, Allah (swt) warns us of such man-made hadiths. The only true hadith is the Qur'an. I am assuming you are not familiar with Arabic, which is why you asked about the translation "hadith". If you read in Arabic (in which Qur'an was revealed), the Verse does include the word "Hadith". The translations often use "statement" for it, but I included "hadith" (exact word used by Allah swt) to show you where in that verse Allah used "hadith". I hope that clarifies? Allah knows best! JazakAllah khair
@TheeSinnerman
6 күн бұрын
@@Hasan... Thank you for informing me JaK
@fab03102
5 ай бұрын
What is the nym website?
@Ra3bAbdulRa7man
Ай бұрын
40:47 Time speeding up.
@user-xu1hn3ic6b
3 ай бұрын
Farid you are being adamant as xtians who say Jesus is God which he directly never claimed and all that he claimed was given to him by the father. These few you can't refute. 1.can you produce a verse in which Allah says Hadith will be used to explain Quran? 2.Obey Allah and his messenger refers to obeying Quran delivered to Mohamed when you obey it you obey Allah. If Mohamed had other divine revelation Allah would have made it clear. 3.who gave the collectors the authority to collect and publish?Allah,Mohamed? 4.They are too late to be truly relied upon.230 years after death of messenger. Bukhari collected 600k and days he rejected593k. Ie less than1% is what he retained. 5.if Quran is a book of guidance then why Hadith 6.Some Hadith differ between shia and sunni Some contradict Quran Some contradict themselves. How can these be divine revelation. You pray 5 times a day. What dies the book of guidance say,? So hFith rejectors are right. They are fabricated largely say 99% as per Bukhari They were not well preserved. These cannot interpret quran SO HADITH IS FABRICATED AND NOT PART OF DIVINE REVELATION IN ISLAM . Mohamed in Quran is different from Mohamed in hadith
@christian.comedy.channel.2
2 ай бұрын
The Quran states that Muhammad worked no miracle, but the hadiths list miracles worked by Muhammad - isn't this a contradiction?
@BM8C7
Ай бұрын
It is. That’s one of the easiest way to refute Hadith corpus
@JamalAdams-y8e
Ай бұрын
@@BM8C7WOW 😲 you guys are genius
@BM8C7
Ай бұрын
@@JamalAdams-y8e I know right 🥰
@JamalAdams-y8e
Ай бұрын
@@BM8C7 I'm joking that's not actually true I think you got that from David wood if I'm not mistaking
@JamalAdams-y8e
Ай бұрын
@@BM8C7plus if you like watched the video and you still believe in gospels and there anonymous writers and the holy Spirit over Hadiths then good luck I guess
@bukor0su368
Ай бұрын
why did not u answer the third point that sahih hadith contradict each other? so disappointed in u Farid...
@abadirabdo10
Ай бұрын
Wdym Joshua literally debunked himself he said that it isn't in sahih
@bukor0su368
Ай бұрын
@@abadirabdo10he literally said in sahih Hadith.
@abadirabdo10
Ай бұрын
@bukor0su368 rewatch it again he said this isn't in sahih
@bukor0su368
Ай бұрын
@@abadirabdo10 he said there isn't "many", meaning there r a few ones.
@abadirabdo10
Ай бұрын
@@bukor0su368 and didn't name any
@TheHaqtivist
5 ай бұрын
22:07 Juynboll disagrees on the dating of Sahifa of Ibn Munabbih as pointed by Jonathan Brown in his book on Hadith. Preemptively refuting Juynboll would be a better approach. A more holistic gathered response to 'Hadiths came after xyz number of years' is required. Encapsulate it in a beautiful eloquent statement. Debunk and Annihilate this claim step by step and encapsulate it with eloquence: 1. Why we dont have ample manuscripts of early sunni hadith books. 2. Refutation of Juynboll on Ibn Munabbih 3. *If we had ample surviving manuscripts would it make our case stronger? if so since we dont have such manuscripts of hadith, does this make our case for hadith reliability weaker?* What are the implications of this? What follow ups can/should we make of this point? 4. How to eliminate rooms of suspicion regarding the time gap between 632 CE and the first hadith compilations AND THEIR existing earliest manuscripts? In other words, how to specifically assure that there was *no room* for hadiths in *this* time period to be fabricated and mixed along with authentic hadiths before migration of Muslims to conquered lands such as Baghdad and Kufa and Damascus?
@clearskybluewaters
5 ай бұрын
he already said Juynboll got refuted by his fellow Orientalist due to his scholarship being an embarrassment
@clearskybluewaters
5 ай бұрын
see Analysing Muslim Traditions by Nicolet Boekhoff- van der Voort, Sean W. Anthony
@chantjelly6773
5 ай бұрын
@@clearskybluewatershow come Farid mentioned Azami refuting schacht but conveniently forgot to mention that Motzki embarrassed Azami and demonstrated that the sheikh didn't understand schacht most of the time. Very dishonest move by farid. I guess this is the problem with video refutations. That's why I prefer that if someone wants to refute a scholar, they should write an academic paper so they can be peer reviewed. If farid really is confident in his arguments I expect he would be willing to challenge academia directly
@ashketchum1793
5 ай бұрын
Motzki himself rejected large parts of Schachts methodology and conclusions. But if you can share where he directly 'embarrassed' azmi would be interesting
@Toco-yp6gg
5 ай бұрын
@@chantjelly6773where did he embarrass him can you please show or elaborate?
@TheHaqtivist
4 ай бұрын
How would you reconcile the hadith of praying Salah in congregation. One hadith says 27 X and another says 25 X
@clearskybluewaters
6 ай бұрын
2:48:40 So, Muslims for 100-200 years were completely unaware of one of the most famous ecumenical councils? So, essentially, the argument is that Muslims had no knowledge of the tradition they received? Keep in mind that Orientalists in general nowadays would paint the picture of the Hijaz as an extremely rich tapestry of biblical tradition. So, why was there suddenly a break in transmission after 100 years? Then, 100 years later, they have collective historical amnesia?
@kingnat1284
6 ай бұрын
What are you on about?
@burningphoneix
5 ай бұрын
Yes. Why would they? The transmission of historical events was very spotty in much of history. Especially for lay people of a different religion.
@clearskybluewaters
5 ай бұрын
@gphoneixBiblical scholars don't simply resign themselves to saying "it's spotty, oh well." Instead, they offer explanations for perceived gaps in the historical record. For example, they might attribute a break in transmission to the Jewish revolt of 70 CE or the major pre-Roman exiles, such as the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities. Simply claiming a "break in transmission" without providing a rationale is inadequate. Furthermore, your argument overlooks--from the perspective of Orientalist--the richness of biblical tradition in the Hijaz region, evidenced by the numerous obscure references to events lacking archaeological, epigraphical, or other external corroboration. This abundance of tradition was one of the key arguments for the now largely discredited "fertile crescent theory" due to its lack of supporting evidence. Ahmad al-Jallad's and Marjin van Putten's work suggests the Quran was composed in the Hijaz dialect, further emphasizing the region's historical significance. However, such a vibrant tradition seemingly vanishes within a short period. An intellectually honest approach requires questioning this apparent break and seeking explanations for its suddenness.
@clearskybluewaters
5 ай бұрын
Again to emphasize, to say early Muslims are ignorant of the significance of Surah Al Ikhlaas while also positing Hijaz having a strong biblical tradition requires a positive account to be made that reconciles both of the contradictory statements
@kingnat1284
5 ай бұрын
@@clearskybluewaters what early Muslims and what are you saying about the hijaz position
@Numeral0
5 ай бұрын
all of his arguments can be refuted if he asked the right people in the first place, or at least did better research, but he looks like he was only looking for a gatcha moments or something
@user-uv7kf8lm2p
6 ай бұрын
W
@honingpot4577
3 ай бұрын
Bro didn’t refute ANYTHING
@abadirabdo10
Ай бұрын
Did you watch the video with your eyes closed
@roman_lopez
5 ай бұрын
Farid keeps asking the audience rhetorically if they still 'believe' in the hadith. The hadith should not be a matter of faith. It is a matter of history. The hadith books do not make faith based claims like the Quran. For instance, that it the quran is from the creator. This requires faith to believe. The hadith is a human effort at historically tracing reports. It is not a revelation. Perhaps it contains reports of revelatory experiences of the prophet yet are not revlelatory text. This is one of the reasons trafitionalist push people awayy from their methodologies. They treat these compilations as scriptures that you must have faith it. When they are human efforts with human flaws. Peace
@AB-xi9im
5 ай бұрын
Nor does he speak of his own whims. It is only a revelation sent down ˹to him˺. (53:3-4) This is why sahih ahadith are considered revelation in islam.
@roman_lopez
5 ай бұрын
@@AB-xi9im @AB-xi9im in this ayah the word 'huwa' is used for 'it is but a revelation revealed.' Huwa is singular and must refer to the Quran. Also read the context of the ayah. Also reports about revelatory experiences do not equal revelation. That was my point. The fact that the prophet experienced things does not make these human made texts scripture. They are subject to history and should be treated that way.
@AB-xi9im
5 ай бұрын
@@roman_lopez see ibn kathirs tafsir of the ayah and probably other mufasireen. Or do you want to follow tafsir roman_lopez? 🤣
@DrBen85000
5 ай бұрын
@@roman_lopez This is false. The هُوَ can refer to objects like speech which the previous Ayat is refering to. "By the star when it descends, Your companion [i.e., Muḥammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, Your companion [i.e., Muḥammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, It is not but a revelation revealed, " Surah An Najm Ayats 1-4 Translation Saheeh International Allah Subhanawatalla Is refering to the speech of Rasulullahi SalAllahu Alaihi Waslam , which includes The Quran And The Sunnah. "Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know." Surah Al Baqarah Ayat 151 Translation Saheeh International Lastly Revelation is any information from a Divine being. The form of that Revelation is irrelevant to it being Revelation. As such Revelatory Experiences are Revelation.
@roman_lopez
5 ай бұрын
@@DrBen85000 peace I was not saying that huwa can't be an object. I was saying it's singular. Saying it refers to the Quran and 'sunnah' is a speculation and not explicit. The other verse you sight mentions al kitab wa al hikma which I'm assuming you mean to suggest al kitab= al Quran and al hikma = sunnah/hadith. I have to disagree. Al kitab and al Quran seem to be completely different concepts. For instance Allah says al Quran is tafseel al kitab. Al kitab and al hikma are given to many prophets while al Quran is specific to Muhammad, as you know. And besides this, I don't believe you or the other commenter grasped my main point. In my initial comment I accounted for revelatory experiences of the prophet outside of the Quran. But that does not mean the hadith corpuses are revelatory. It is a human effort with human methods to attempt to preserve sayings. It's subject to historical analysis and should not be 'taken on Faith' just because someone says so. I hope you get my meaning.
@namenloser7026
5 ай бұрын
I love you Farid for the sake of Allah
@bishaarsabtow
5 ай бұрын
2:45:50 Liar. Such a little liar. This is a PhD student...... ...unaccessible and unacceptable.
@lemonnade5974
6 ай бұрын
I made a comment explaining how farid doesn't understand the prior probability argument. Did farid remove my comment?
@Sigmacat42
6 ай бұрын
Either Farid removed it or youtube flagged it as "Likely Spam" And deleted it.
@lemonnade5974
6 ай бұрын
@@Sigmacat42 shame. Farid's response was embarrassing.
@hamzaimran8539
6 ай бұрын
@@lemonnade5974no it’s still there I read it
@RafanFarooquib
6 ай бұрын
@@lemonnade5974dude farid did not remove it i saw ur comment history on this channel wait let me copy paste it it’s either youtube that removed it
@RafanFarooquib
6 ай бұрын
@@lemonnade5974i will copy paste it here later and give in my thoughts
@yasminefathalah7042
2 ай бұрын
But how do they know if a narrator is trustworthy or not?
@ME-yp7fn
2 ай бұрын
يعرفون ذلك من كتب الجرح والتعديل التي كتبت لبحث حال الرواة
@ApatheticPerson
2 ай бұрын
There's no way to really determine that. It's purely guesses and assumptions.
@JamalAdams-y8e
Ай бұрын
@@ApatheticPersonok imply the same argument on the All history and we will have no history
@ApatheticPerson
Ай бұрын
@@JamalAdams-y8e Not really, there's history of events, when more than one source documents the same event, we know with high certainty that it happened. But how can you tell if someone is trustworthy or not? It's impossible, your mom might say you're the most trustworthy person ever, but your teacher might have a different opinion.
@JamalAdams-y8e
Ай бұрын
@@ApatheticPerson exactly how we do it bro we have multiple sources and chain of narrations that says the same exact Hadiths word for word you will find this on every authentic sahih Hadith especially sahih burahi and we try our best to analyze and test every man on every chain of narration
@LJ-jd5yy
6 ай бұрын
What an absolute clown 😂
@BM8C7
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like lots of cope
@Jaywalker45
6 ай бұрын
Academics orientalist trying very hard to make assumptions into facts
@Scumophobe
6 ай бұрын
Allah and His messenger never authorised hadiths. End of topic. Lets go back to Quran the Book Allah and His messenger gave us. Peace
@roneddy
5 ай бұрын
How to tell everyone you are ignorant ^
@rashidnassermartinez646
5 ай бұрын
I can tell you probably haven’t read the Quran lol
@booksofsunflower
5 ай бұрын
@@roneddyDid bukhari ever met Muhammad SAW descendants to approve the hadiths? Muwathir & Ahaad.
@booksofsunflower
5 ай бұрын
Also, if you need hadiths to explain further more on the Quran, how about the preservation? Let’s start from there
@roneddy
5 ай бұрын
@@booksofsunflower Did you ever meet your great great grandma? Why do you believe what your parents tell you about your ancestors.
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