Personally i take the Alex Leonidas/Bald Omniman “jack of all trades” approach to lifting. Focus mostly on bodybuilding style training using every possible tool in your arsenal including heavy barbell lifts, and letting the strength gains come over time and occasionally testing your lower rep strength
@naughtiousmaximus7853
10 ай бұрын
They do it best to be honest.
@spencerschubert5001
10 ай бұрын
Well said. There is hardly a person out there that wouldn’t get their ideal results from this approach
@tv26889
10 ай бұрын
This is what a bodybuilder or power lifter or any lifter should do. You do not gain muscle without Getting stronger, and likewise do not get stronger without gaining muscle.
@avxrevo
10 ай бұрын
@@tv26889exactly. Idk why there’s such a discrepancy in the people’s approach. Lots of guys that are big naturally are also strong relatively speaking compared to the average person. They can hold their own in various lifts. Maybe Not powerlifting numbers but good numbers overall
@mlikoipura
10 ай бұрын
That's just bodybuilding
@AlanThrall
10 ай бұрын
4am west coast wake up crew checking in
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Living on the west coast and being first comment on this one is impressive damn
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Although I do mention it regularly throughout this vid, and it’s in my channel name, I want to make sure everyone knows I’m coming from a bodybuilding perspective with the title here. If powerbuilding is your goal, that’s cool. More on that in the vid of course.
@StandStrength
10 ай бұрын
My challenge to my brothers in powerbuilding: How strong are you? How jacked are you? If we cite examples like BOM, Alex Leonidas, Steve Shaw, and Dan Green, how well do we emulate their example? How well do we accomplish our own size and strength goals? Whether we fall short because “powerbuilding” is an abomination (which it can be) or we are doing “powerbuilding” wrong (falling short of BB’s second definition), if you go to war to claim powerbuilding to be viable stop only arguing in comments Make a channel, make a public page on social media, put up your training, show physique (things I need to do more of admittedly). This is a results based industry.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Agreed, good approach. I think GVS has had a huge impact on people finally seeing bodybuilding as it’s own method of training, where he’s gotten bigger than most by doing a lot of movements people would call, and treat, as fluff and pump, and at the same time being well below what we’d look for in the somewhat arbitrary big 3 standards we’ve set.
@watsonkushmaster3067
10 ай бұрын
Why tho? Is the physique representant of anything if we know that genetic can get you so far that there is whole generation of powerlifters that swear by it for physique developement? Also why would anybody want to share their pictures just to get in some debate on internet while having bunch of bigger names against him from the start? Sure way to get tons of hate despite the physique they built...
@LRandleIcon
10 ай бұрын
@standstrength & @basementbodybuilding I'll answer the questions, but I have one for you guys too. How strong are you? Pretty Strong in my eyes (I'm 44, almost 45yrs old ~150BW and trying to send 275 to hell on the bench ATM (lookup my handle for a video on YT showing my fail on it last month, more on this at the bottom). How jacked are you? Not into vanity, so I don't really take selfies or pose, but my family says I look "ripped", and the Mrs. always turns an eye and says, "you look buff, daddy", so..../shrugs Now to my question, and please excuse the length because another big thing amiss, in this world in general is context, so I hope this doesn't turn into a TL;DR for you two. I started lifting again after a 20 year "bulk" (wife/kids/work went from 135-160 during that span). As a former College Football 4year starter, and track star, I am no stranger to the weightroom, and was using my college program until, ironically, I ran across Steve Shaw's, "If you are 180lbs or under, it is highly unlikely you will bench 315, no matter how hard you try". Like Michael Jordan said, "I took it personal" (well not really, but kinda 😅), so I looked at what "everyone" had to say about the topic (even Steve), and built a program for myself to accomplish this goal..... IN ONE YEAR. This started in Jan of 2023, and as I said above, I'm trying to send 275 to hell, after starting at 185 (so 10 months of training, so far). I've always had a strong upper probably borderline elite (that's why I could play in college football at 135BW), so this wasn't just a stab in the dark. My program is built on doing 12-18 sets of flat bench per week, combining DUP with Progressive Overload. The progressive overload is on a 3-week cycle, followed by a deload week, then 1RM test a few days before I start the next cycle. During the week, I do a HPSH split for my bench (2 days Full Body/2 days Upper Only/1 day Lower Only [HEAVY], but I also ride my Peloton 5 days/week, don't worry, its low impact stuff for heart health😉) On my two hypertrophy, days I stay in the accepted zones and weights on the bench (which I know are correct by my previous 1RM test). My stated goal is to get to 315, so I actually followed what Steve said, and all of my accessory work is to get my arms/shoulders/chest "as big, and as strong, as humanly possible". Rows/Lat Raise/BW Dips/Triceps Ext/BW Pullups/Lat Pulldowns are on my schedule, and again, I stay within the hypertrophy zones on those lifts as well and generally going to 1-3RIR on all accessories. Afterwards, do I do Preacher curls or anything bicep related? Not on a schedule. Why would I? Those other lifts gives my biceps enough work on its on that I don't need to focus really. On my Power and Strength days, the methodology is similar to the Hypertrophy, but the reps/weights are changed accordingly. Instead of doing BW Dips, I do Weighted Dips (1-2 plates depending where I am at in the cycle) those progress as the cycle continues, but its still hyperfocused on getting my 315 bench. Take note: Notice I'm not talking about my lower much. Reason being, my upper grows easily (as eluded to earlier), my legs do not. My schedule for lower legs/lower back is 100% Hypertrophy. I'm nowhere near being able to squat or dead heavy, and even during my playing days I shied away from them because how it made my back and hamstrings feel (and they still ache and grown to this day just doing consistent hypertrophy work). I provided my age, weight and family makeup, but the last thing is, I'm 100% natural, no 'gray area' BS either (like TRT, etc). I have a wife and kids to worry about/take care of, I have a family history of kidney failure and cardio issues (my sister had a mild stroke at 58!). Not only would taking anything be CHEATING (IMO), for me personally, it would be INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. I dont even take creatine, just a vegan vitamin once a day, and food..... But the one "genetic" advantage that I have is that my natural test levels are higher than many 20-30 year olds. I have/had(some have passed) 23 Aunts and Uncles between my parents, and TRT didn't exist back then, so you can see why my saying, "my T levels are naturally high, even at my age" isn't cap.. So with all my "life story" out here 😅🤣🤣, what am I in your opinion? 1. Powerlifter? 2. PowerBuilder? 3. Bodybuilder?
@kamo7293
2 ай бұрын
@@watsonkushmaster3067 if you can't prove your point through personal example then you're thinking is paper thin, since it never left the page
@watsonkushmaster3067
2 ай бұрын
@@kamo7293 damn thats DEEP
@mehedisaleh8367
10 ай бұрын
I like Jordan Peter’s take on bodybuilding where he says “Pick movements for every muscle group and get stronger at them overtime in different rep ranges” and I think that’s what “powerbuilding” was initially meant to be but it just ended up as a bastard child of powerlifting with traces of pump workout
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Not too familiar with his approach, but it’s a solid one. Similar to what Steve Shaw/BOM promote. Technique is the main difference between this approach and pure bodybuilding work, with that buffer room like I discussed here.
@Barneyfithlawman
10 ай бұрын
Powerbuilding as I remember when people started using the term, a long time ago. Was just people wanting to have a good big 3 but also doing bodybuilding and looking like a bodybuilder. It had nothing to do with enhanced vs natural
@Barneyfithlawman
10 ай бұрын
You can just as easy say my main focus is to have the best physique and be as strong as possible. I watched some of your hack squats doing very low reps that seems more strength focused, especially the way you do your reps, fast decent and basically a bounce out of the bottom, definitely not quality bodybuilding technique... genetics and diet play the most in how you look
@Bloozguy
10 ай бұрын
Dan Greene comes to mind. He looks far better than any bodybuilder imho, and, is a world class powerlifter. And his student, Brendan Tietz. Can't think of any better examples of strength & muscle. ... power building ... it's a thing. But, there's big difference between Dan Greene (juiced powerlifter) vs. juiced bodybuilder. Dan looks thick and solid....pro bodybuilders looks more fluffy, imho. But yet, Dan is far more jacked looking than most powerlifters. And, bodybuilders , in general, are less strong than powerlifters. But any kind of weight training is going to make you stronger than before you started. There are no 'weak' bodybuilders... it's just a matter of perspective.
@AS-Stardust
10 ай бұрын
@@BloozguyI think bodybuilders looking fluffy has more to do with genetics, different drugs or synthol rather than training style.
@Bloozguy
10 ай бұрын
@@AS-Stardust Ya think Mr. Olympia is filled with synthol?????
@AS-Stardust
10 ай бұрын
@@Bloozguy Currently probably not but in the 90s there could've been some top 2 or 3 bodybuilders who had oil in their arms or shoulders like Nasser or Flex Wheeler.
@dolphin7860
10 ай бұрын
What’s with all the over thinking? It’s simple! Just workout, eat, sleep, drink coffee, develop a crippling caffeine addiction while chasing strength, over train, learn about meso cycles, pick high stimulus low fatigue movements, bulk, overshoot the bulk, alienate friends and family while chasing a niche hobby Develop body dysmorphia, recover from it, learn the finer details of training and eventually reach gymlightenment: amazing results combined with a subjectively amazing experience when training and living the lifestyle that results in gains
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Goat comment 😂😂😂
@dontwatchdotorg
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding Ya this actually needs to be pinned lol
@notashton.
10 ай бұрын
Don't forget to rinse and repeat
@Anti_Brainrot3
3 ай бұрын
Yap yap yap
@NaomiSS_
10 ай бұрын
OMG the natural bodybuilding multiverse is getting real
@SamC_182
10 ай бұрын
Whole heartedly agree with all your points. You basically put everything I thought about that I couldn't verbalize into words & definitions.
@MM559Fresno
5 ай бұрын
Passed 20k now baby! We appreciate you💪🏼
@apeinto5637
10 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📚 The video discusses powerbuilding and references the opinions of other fitness influencers like Natural Hypertrophy and Bald Omn Man. 00:26 💪🏼 The creator aims to define bodybuilding clearly to distinguish it from powerlifting and powerbuilding. 00:40 🤷♂️ Powerbuilding originated from enhanced bodybuilders who may not have understood how to gain size without enhancements. 01:23 🗣️ There's an emphasis on the need for clear definitions within the fitness subculture to avoid confusion. 02:06 🧠 The host will share their definition of bodybuilding at the end of the video, which is believed to help clarify the concept of powerbuilding. 03:02 🌐 The host acknowledges coming from a mainstream fitness background and the difference between the general fitness community and the "natural" fitness subculture. 03:56 ✅ The most common definition of powerbuilding is seen as a combination of powerlifting and bodybuilding. 04:25 🏋️♂️ Another respected definition of powerbuilding involves getting big and strong across all muscle groups and movements. 05:22 ❌ The host sees no advantages to combining powerlifting and bodybuilding for hypertrophy goals, considering it counterproductive. 06:15 🔍 There's a critique of the emphasis on one rep maxes in powerbuilding, which may detract from the primary bodybuilding goal of gaining size. 08:20 🧠 The psychological shift from desiring muscle size to prioritizing one rep maxes due to powerbuilding influence is discussed as a negative development. 09:46 🔄 The pursuit of powerlifting can diminish or replace the original goal of bodybuilding, which is to gain size. 10:00 🤷♂️ While powerlifting can be enjoyable and consistent, it might diverge from the initial motivation of gaining muscle mass. 10:28 📉 The creator expresses a personal struggle with losing passion for bodybuilding due to the pursuit of powerlifting goals. 11:08 💔 A long break from lifting was needed to recover the creator's passion for bodybuilding after being misled by powerbuilding methodologies. 11:51 🔍 Emphasizes the importance of proper definitions and understanding of bodybuilding, especially in its natural form. 12:33 🚫 Critiques the oversimplification of bodybuilding as either "fluff and pump" or purely strength-focused training. 13:14 📈 Shares personal progress in bodybuilding as evidence that the right methods yield results even in the later years of training. 13:57 🧐 Discusses the concept of stimulus to fatigue, emphasizing its importance for advanced lifters and its impact on programming. 15:21 🤔 Explains the "niche" definition of powerbuilding as becoming big and strong across all muscle groups and movements but notes some flaws. 16:18 🏗️ Suggests that the niche definition of powerbuilding should be viewed more as general strength training rather than a distinct category. 17:42 ⚖️ Notes the potential confusion caused by the term "powerbuilding" when it's not clearly defined or understood, especially for those new to the community. 18:36 🛠️ Proposes that adopting a more muscle group-focused training method can help transition from a powerlifting to a bodybuilding mindset. 19:05 💡 Focusing on maximizing effort on all lifts, not just the big three, is a good step towards bodybuilding but not the best due to technical considerations. 19:30 🏋️♂️ The niche definition of powerbuilding is seen as superior to the mainstream definition but still potentially lacks emphasis on proper technique. 20:12 🔄 Maximizing strength can lead to compromised technique and suboptimal hypertrophy training due to a focus on paper performance over full range of motion and control. 21:07 🤏 There's a "buffer room" in training intensity to allow for better stimulation and controlled technique, even when training to failure. 22:17 🛑 A focus on Progressive overload at the expense of technique can degrade training quality over time, leading to less hypertrophy and more fatigue. 23:50 ⚠️ Training solely for strength might not maximize hypertrophic stimulus and could build more fatigue than necessary for growth. 24:31 📐 Proposes a definition of bodybuilding focused on maximizing hypertrophy stimulus above all else, which differs from both mainstream and niche powerbuilding. 25:40 📋 Bodybuilding should prioritize hypertrophy stimulus above all, contrasting with powerbuilding which may prioritize performance potentially at the expense of hypertrophy stimulus or adding fatigue. 26:37 🚫 Rejects the first mainstream definition of powerbuilding as an ineffective method for natural bodybuilders. 27:02 ✅ Endorses the second, niche definition of powerbuilding for those who want to balance strength goals with getting as big as possible. Made with HARPA AI
@sheperdofthebrahs
10 ай бұрын
Honestly, this pretty useful for recollection and a second watch
@JackedNStoic
10 ай бұрын
NH triggered a war💀
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I’ll happily fight in any powerbuilding war 😂
@bce6936
10 ай бұрын
he def deserves credit for it whenever a discussion starts in the natty community it grows and strengthen a lot
@JackedNStoic
10 ай бұрын
@@bce6936 that’s true and we need more fuel for more fire in this community, not to make drama but to move forward.
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
I think it's better described as a lively discussion.
@nmnate
10 ай бұрын
@@wilaustuI like to think of it as NH stirring a pot with a giant baguette 😅
@Sambalifter
10 ай бұрын
the first time I ever heard the term "powerbuilding" was in the mid 90s in an article about Jimmy "Iron Bull" Pelechia. He described his high rep style of training as powerbuilding. I had the please of getting to train with him in 96 in Iwakuni Japan for a week. He was an absolute animal.
@bobnewkirk7003
10 ай бұрын
Personally I think the term "Powerbuilding" is irrelevant. IMO the powerlifting folks have criticized/discredited bodybuilding to the point where the common lifter doesn't want to be associated with it. It really doesn't matter if your programming progression in heavy 3's or 30's you are building your body up; either just to be big or to get stronger as well. In my mind you don't cross over the powerlifter line until completely focus on the number on the bar, even to the point of reducing ROM or advantaging the lift (ie big arch in bench); everything short of that is bodybuilding.
@freakied0550
10 ай бұрын
Crossfat > powerbuilding. Don't @ me.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Just the name alone mogs powerbuilding. Mogs most things tbh
@Fitness_Lorenzo
10 ай бұрын
My favorite part of the video is when you said “It’s simple at first glance , but it’s so complex the more you think about it”. Honestly , this applies to all of fitness. It really Is simple at first, but there is so much debate in general. Good video , bro.
@enteoz1694
10 ай бұрын
I guess under your hardcore definition that can have some problems, but if you already have a good routine that promotes growth and you throw in a harder exercise here and there at a reasonable level, I believe that can be a good thing as well.
@gamerchristina1079
10 ай бұрын
There needs to be two concern when you are a bodybuilder 1. Am I lifting heavy enough to not be a pussy and to do the hypertrophy stimulus 2. Am I lifting light enough to allow management of good technique and to allow the muscles to feel it and for everything to work If the answer to any one of those is a no then you’ve got a problem 💪💪❤️❤️‼️
@PapaAlDente
10 ай бұрын
24:27 given this approach of not viewing “progressive overload” as the ultimate goal ie more reps than last week rather than keeping a consistent technique - say week 1 you get 90 x 8, and week 2 you get 90 x 7 with identical technique; is this sufficient for purposes of bodybuilding bc what we are going for is sufficient stimulus? Or would this still suggest that something else is off?
@janglavina
10 ай бұрын
I think NH put it to black & white, i don't think most "powerbuilders" slack on accessories at all as i think most of them they still mostly care about putting on size whilst still having a love for lifting some heavy weight. Nothing wrong in doing some heavy sets of SBD of 5/6 reps you will grow regardless
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I think enough of the mainstream powerbuilder types do slack quite a bit on isolations and “accessories”. I still see people calling anything not the big 3 “pump work”
@janglavina
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding is true I might be looking at it from to subjectively as I do care about my numbers especially on the bench and squat, but I have an arm day and only squat and bench once per week, most people are probably not the same
@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
10 ай бұрын
What do you mean by accessories?
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuildingto say that they slack on "accessories" implies that you know what their bodybuilding goals are. Although there has been a recent renaissance against "torso dominance" that doesn't mean that there aren't guys that actually prefer that look. I'm one of them. I still want big arms, but I don't want them to overpower my torso. I'd rather have a bigger torso even if it means sacrificing a little bit of time for arms.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
@ezradanger that’s a good point for sure. I would still say that it’s no coincidence that all the lifts that weren’t SBD were called accessories. The guys that heavily promoted these things happened to primarily care about aesthetics, but could get away with training like a powerlifter because they were on gear (fake natties), and generally had good genetics, like most influencers do of course. This led people like me to have inferior results.
@iatecookiemonstor
10 ай бұрын
Im glad natural hypertrophy shouted you out. Hard to find good youtube channels!
@ParvParashar
10 ай бұрын
Incredible video! Really informative and insightful. This is high quality information that’s quite valuable. Appreciate it a lot. Powerbuilding certainly isn’t an optimal approach or anywhere near it for someone who’s trying to gain as much muscle as possible or simply someone who’s a bodybuilder. I’d say that powerbuilding is for powerlifters who also care about aesthetics to some degree and want to have somewhat of a proportional and symmetrical physique and build well rounded strength and work capacity in more than three movements in a variety of rep ranges. It can also be used by recreational lifters who want to have strong 1RM on SBD for fun and also care about their physique. The power in powerbuilding certainly implies training for maximal strength and since it’s taken from powerlifting it means maximal strength in SBD and this way of training is of little to no benefit for bodybuilding. I’m training specifically for bodybuilding and I also spent a lot of years doing powerbuilding approach thinking that it’s required to get big as a natural and saw the “bodybuilding work” and isolation exercises as accessories and an afterthought that can be skipped because it’s not necessary and the power lifts and their variations will give me about 80-90% of the desired results. Keep in mind that my main goal was bodybuilding. Also, I don’t like the idea that bodybuilding is just for size and won’t get you strong and powerlifting is for strength. You’ve to get strong in all the movements you’re doing for any muscle group in order to grow it and that progressive overload can be in the form of adding sets, reps, reducing rest times, intensity techniques and the technique itself that is using less momentum, more slow and controlled eccentrics, pausing in the deep stretched position and improving speed of each and every concentric repetition and you’ll still need to add weight eventually. Bodybuilding approach will get you stronger in a variety of movements for all your muscles while increasing your work capacity or endurance and building resilience. Powerlifting is more specific and it gets you stronger at 1 rep maxes and that for 3 specific movements. I think bodybuilding training can have more carryover to a wide variety of other physical activities. I picked the powerbuilding approach because of some really good marketing but I ended up learning that I need to train for my goals and training for bodybuilding is quite different than training for powerlifting and because of channels like yours, I came to conclusion that bodybuilding training works and works better than any other suboptimal approach for natural lifters too! Thank you so much for that and all the other help. I’m super grateful to you. 🙏💪👍
@Louziaa
10 ай бұрын
honestly on lifts where it is relatively easy to make sure your technique / execution is the same, it is safe to set a 1rm or x rep max as a goal to achieve... there is no way your back wouldn't grow by going from 10 BW pull ups to 10 20kg weighted pull ups, or 30kg bb curl for 8 to 40kg for 8, or 30kg pushdown to 40kg pushdown.. i know it is not linear and lifts have their learning stage, but generally chasing strength on stable exercises assuming your form is the same is absolutely fine. squats and bench are the only movements i do for chest and quads, and those two muscles are my strength points in my physique - i usually do them in the 4-8 rep range
@shades4313
10 ай бұрын
This is semi off topic, but I think setting strength goals for bodybuilding is beneficial. For example, instead of saying “I want to bench 350 x 1” you should have the goal of “ I want to bench 275 x 8-10” with hypertrophy specific form. And you can do this with all lifts, not just compounds. Like setting a curl and tricep extension goal for higher reps. And we have to remember, all of this comes in the context of having hypertrophy specific form, and not just progressing by cheating the movement more. I think it’s a pretty failsafe way to go about it
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
Ppl generally don’t use them because it’s not helping you grow. It can only be used as a reference that when you reach this standard you’ll have gotten significantly bigger. And it’s not necessarily different than the 1 RM goal. The way BB and others often describe going for a 1 RM is reliant on the premise that one who seeks the goal necessarily wants to reach it by performing the easiest or easier variation. I think most also understand the difference between hitting a certain max because you increased intensity vs through lower intensity NH and Alec Enkiri say strength work is important for hypertrophy because increasing strength even if you’re not peaking it allows you to recruit more muscle fibers. I don’t agree with this because higher intensity doesn’t actually make your volume work go up, people only think this bc A drug users who initially had bad relative strength start lifting heavy see their volume work go up and B An illusion. To prove it’s making your volume work go up you’d have to train in a way that gains 0 muscle for months while your 1 RM goes up. No one trains like this bc it’s a waste of time. Strength progression is fundamentally just neurological adaptation, your volume work predicts what your PEAKED 1 RM is. That number can’t magically increase without more muscle bc your set of 12 etc is already peaked bc you do it all the time
@Steven-dp1kz
10 ай бұрын
I'm not competing so I focus on 5rep max with precise form for my strength goals. That said, NH is correct that rep range variety makes progression more long term sustainable. So it's easier to progress a 5 rep max if you throw in some 3s, 8s or 12s in there. For myself, I usually stall if I stay in the "8-12" hypertrophy zone without pushing strength. Powerbuilding is a loose and fuzzy definition which just seems to be "guys who want to look good and throw some heavy weight around" so 5x5s borrowed from higher volume powerlifting workouts or just doing bodybuilding but with more 3 and 5 rep work than you'd usually see. For a natty lifter who cares about both strength and aesthetics(which is most lifters), I think this is a totally fine approach. Strength work followed by accessory lifts seems to work ime. Work in the 3-8 range for compounds, then 8-20 on some accessory lifts for shoring up weaknesses and hitting beach muscles. I think it's totally fine as an approach for a recreational lifter.
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
@@Steven-dp1kz If you stall sticking to reps of 8-12 it’s probably bc those sets aren’t close to failure and or if you’re including the intensity work on top of the same annoying of volume
@CalicoRiot
10 ай бұрын
I had been recently doing a pseudo powerbuilding thing. I had heard that heavier weight activates more muscle fibers, so I was trying to use that to my advantage in my programming. However I wasn't using power lifting technique, I was still lifting with a body building mindset with a desire to also be stronger. Example: Smith incline guillotine press, 3x5, drop 30% for 2x8-12, then 2 myorep sets. Also heavy side laterals using the bulldozer method for 4 sets, dropping weight for another 4 sets, then partials to failure. I noticed growth for sure as well as strength gains. What do you think of my approach to "powerbuilding"? Anyway, I'm a new subscriber to your channel as of yesterday and new to the concept of the rep goal system, which is brilliant, I dug up some old Steve Shaw for some details. It solves an issue I had with a 3x10 where I didn't feel like the first 2 sets got me close enough to failure. I'm reprogramming with this in mind, but I'm curious if you feel that there was any merit to what I was doing before. Thanks for the clear and honest approach to bodybuilding. This channel is a breath of fresh air.
@naturalgains4229
10 ай бұрын
Heavier weight does use faster twitch muscle fibers which are the fibers that grow the largest and strongest. But going to failure also uses the faster twitch muscle fibers, it uses all the available ones the muscle has. Think about this, let’s say you did pushups to failure and couldn’t get another rep no matter what. Even though pushups are very light, you still struggled at the very end as if it were a 1 rep max essentially using every single muscle fiber you had to try and push up. Not saying you have to go to failure I’m just explaining that using fast twitch muscle fibers isn’t exclusive to heavier weight when it comes to building muscle but it is more efficient. You will activate those muscle fibers sooner since the weight is heavier, it makes you go straight to the bigger, stronger muscle fibers.
@symmetrydprk
10 ай бұрын
im a funbuilder dont care bour sthetics neither strenght i just want to have funfun and whatever comes as result of this I just embrace it
@Balachiang
10 ай бұрын
Bros, we have transcended the phase of how to bodybuild and onto "what is bodybuilding". The next logical step of evolution would naturally be "why is bodybuilding "
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Correct, but my next video is going to be covering “where is bodybuilding”
@Yahavogdan
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding It’s a damn good question this days tbh
@user-dn4lg1dv5v
10 ай бұрын
I think of powerbuilding, as bodybuilding, but with a focus on the barbells lifts (SBD) and strength. Also, there's not a focus on being extremely lean. Personally, I think powerbuilding can be suboptimal for many people. Because you end up focusing on strength too much and like I said many people allow themselves to go crazy with bulking and just end up being fat. I let myself get chunky for a minute. I rained it back in once I was honest with myself and made my goals more precise. So, in closing, people just need to be goal specific and honest with themselves so that their training is targeted to their specific goals.
@ZeroPhilosopher
10 ай бұрын
that's why you cycle back and forth between cuts and power building lel
@user-dn4lg1dv5v
10 ай бұрын
@ZeroPhilosopher you are correct. I did a cut and got everything tightened up. Just warning everyone to be mindful when bulking while "powerbuilding " the bulk can quickly go from thick & swole to jiggle jello quick. Lol
@ZeroPhilosopher
10 ай бұрын
Nice reply. I'm definitely at Jello but I started there when I came back to the gym lmao. I did 2 months of lifting. Started playing around to get everything working again, then went into barbell lifts more, then into 3 days a week fullbody heavy duty to train my recover and my numbers shot up fast. That's 2 months worth of lifting, now I'm cutting back down. Currently at 230. I maintained my weight the whole 3 months so that's not a bad thing imo.@@user-dn4lg1dv5v
@djjankov6667
10 ай бұрын
So can you explain what are the right way to do Bodybuilding? I do reps between 6-12 on big movements and Isolations try to get stronger is this right for Bodybuilding?
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
This isn't really a debate about training concepts, it's a debate about what words mean. The "debate" just comes down to what we mean by "powerbuilding". 1. powerlifting+bodybuilding 2. getting strong in all the lifts you're using to gain muscle. (AKA: progressive overload) NH was critical of #1, but preaches #2 constantly. BOM made pretty much the same points in his video, and I think Basement Bodybuilding is making the same points. I think everyone really aligns on what we think about those two different ideas. We just have 1 word trying to encompass both. Beyond that, it's just a question of being clear on what your own goals are.
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
Another way this "debate" is kind of messy, at least in the comments, is that some people think it's a debate about what your goals should be, while other people are viewing it as a debate about what the most sensible programming for your goals should be.
@tv26889
10 ай бұрын
These ppl do this to get views. Any lifter regardless of what they call themselves has to do 2 to progress.
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
@@tv26889 That's a bit cynical. I think they're all giving a stab at stating evertything as clearly as possible. Sure they're playing up the "controvery" with their titles and thumbnails, but the videos are 20+ minutes long of trying to articulate their thoughts about programming concepts. That doesn't seem like a great way to farm for views.
@tv26889
10 ай бұрын
@@wilaustu Their ‘thoughts‘ are nothing new. Proven programs and training concepts have been around for a long time.
@tv26889
10 ай бұрын
@@wilaustu What BB does for training is nothing special or original.
@silverweights2702
10 ай бұрын
Checking in from Australia, looking forward to this one
@bce6936
10 ай бұрын
Cheers mate
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Enjoy man!
@soonahero
10 ай бұрын
The “stimulus to fatigue” noobs should start saying fatigue management, the actual training principle
@SM-og9pt
10 ай бұрын
This may sound silly but my daughter is in competitive gymnastics and is very muscular compared to the average girl her age. She hasn’t touched a barbell in her life. She didn’t need the big 3 to put on muscle. She however has tons of volume in her gymnastics training regimen.
@trev6664
10 ай бұрын
Wanna shut up a "PoWeRbUiLdEr"? Ask him how many powerbuilding meets hes won.
@angrygoldfish
10 ай бұрын
I think you nailed it-bodybuilding, general strength and size, and powerlifting are very similar and end up with similar results, but with greater specificity and allocation of mental and physical energy. Since lifting requires huge sacrifices, it would be a little foolish to 'powerbuild' and call yourself a powerbuilder when your primary and only goal is size. Sticking to basic lifts is arbitrary and suboptimal. Being optimal isn't essential; but it's silly to me to be suboptimal when you can be optimal when it only requires a few small changes. Fazlifts said it really well a while ago. If you're a lifter who uses the basic lifts to build size, you're not a powerbuilder; you're a bodybuilder. If you use the big three to build a bigger total and require more mass to do that for a competition, you're a powerlifter. I don't mind calling myself a powerbuilder because it's just a word to describe a bodybuilder who dabbles in sets below 6 reps with compound lifts. But it is kind of arbitrary. It's creating something new just because you get the same results going down a different path. I think the issue lies in people misinterpreting their own goals and the means to get there. Hersovyac and NH both used basic compound 'powerlifts' to build 90% of their legs, chest, shoulders, and back. So did the silver era greats. But when Hersovyac says to get strong at the basic lifts, people misconstrue that. Basement Bodybuilding is an example of that. I've done it too. We just need clarity, and the natty YT community give that. Stand Strength never encourages adding weight to the bar at any cost, yet he calls himself a powerbuilder. Same goes for Steve Shaw.
@barto22
10 ай бұрын
Whoever started this debate can't handle that not everyone has solely bodybuilding focused goals. The big three are solid exercises which can and will give you size if you implement them correctly, ergo powerbuilding (getting stronger at the big three while building a bodybuilder physique) is totally viable. Of course there are gonna be tradeoffs because you can't have your cake and eat it too, but if someone wants to increase a 1rm in a specific lift then the best course of action would be to train that specific lift in a low rep range. So yeah, your total won't be as big as a powerlifter's and you won't be as aesthetic as a bodybuilder, but you'll be solid at both
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
I don't think it's really a debate, and I don't think anyone intended to "start" something. Rather, it looks like everyone is collectively trying to untangle several overlapping but distinct concepts.
@barbellbryce
10 ай бұрын
Haven't watched yet but I have a great deal of respect for you. With that being said, I think Steve Shaw has probably the most sound definition on powerbuilding and if the term should exist it's because of him 🔥
@MassiveIron
10 ай бұрын
Thanks man. Powerbuilding is an attitude not a system.
@jackwilliams9889
10 ай бұрын
And what is Steve's current definition of Powerbuilding? Since it seems to change every week. So come on Steve give us a proper definition, not willy nilly bullshit like 'it's a mindset'. Give us a clear definition so that when you do inevitably change it next month we can hold you to it. You won't because you can't, you never could. It's meme and a marketing technique. Accept the challenge Steve.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I don’t want to speak for Steve, but as someone who’s been following his content for a long time, I think he’s pretty consistent with his definition, essentially being getting as big and strong as possible in your entire body. I stand by that method, I think it’s the best approach to have when you’re someone who wants to get big but also cares about on paper performance. I don’t think it’s optimal for pure bodybuilding but it’s close and shares a lot of similarities, I elaborate on that in the underground powerbuilding timestamp
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Thanks Bryce! And I agree, I think Steve does a good job articulating his definition, and who it’s best suited for.
@barbellbryce
10 ай бұрын
@@jackwilliams9889 I think it comes down to the GOAL not the METHOD. Powerlifting GOAL: Biggest 1RM Bodybuilding GOAL: Staged Physique Powerbuilding GOAL: Get every muscle and movement as strong as humanly possible not based off of competition standards.
@rbarreira2
10 ай бұрын
For the most part, I see this debate as a bunch of people violently agreeing.
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
And using different words to come to the same general conclusions :P
@dandanhoughton
10 ай бұрын
This happens a lot in so many fields. Everyone is trying to show how much they agree, and it feels like a dispute
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
@@dandanhoughton I think it's still important. It can lead to everyone having a better common vocabulary for all these intermingled concpets.
@wallysworms
10 ай бұрын
I'm a bit older and I do chase pr's but only in the 8 rep range minimum as I need progressive overload anyways. I do the three major lifts and pull downs but I'm no longer chasing 1rep maxes as it's too easy for me to hurt myself. My joints have had a hard time during my job so I'm not forcing anything anymore. okay, I wrote this message about in the beginning of the video. Now I start to see what's being said. But to me technique and slow eccentric is so normal that I don't really think about it. But good eccentric still needs progressive overload to get more jacked. As a natural you have to try to get as strong as possible on almost all rep ranges with good form and slow eccentric. Only the really low reps can be left alone. I even think that good technique, slow eccentric should be the basis for all beginner lifters, even if they want to powerbuild or powerlift.
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
Coath now has you firm in his grasp. Better get that open slot before RF does. All the young men want to look and perform like Coath (in the gym, in business, with the ladies, etc.).
@alexregan5414
10 ай бұрын
The way I see it, we know from science that strength adaptations are almost entirely neurological, which powerlifting training is great for, the correlation between strength and size boils down to larger muscles have greater strength potential, but that doesn’t mean increasing maximal strength will increase size, it’s more that increasing size increases your potential for strength, powerlifting training is great for getting these neurological adaptations but extremely inefficient for hypertrophy training, good strength training should emphasise becoming efficient at the movement pattern and lifting as heavy as possible to drive those neuro adaptations, good hypertrophy training should aim to maximise tension and local fatigue to the target muscle which is pretty much the opposite of what you want for strength, so while you can do both together to some degree you won’t be able to maximise either one, so if you only care about hypertrophy then adding in powerlifting doesn’t make a lot of sense from a recovery perspective
@entivreality
10 ай бұрын
great summary
@Your_Daddy21
10 ай бұрын
l like the basic lifts like squat bench press ohp pull ups dips itp and still look better than most bodybuilders)
@ZeroPhilosopher
10 ай бұрын
Machines are safe but not as functional as the barbell lifts. I'm going to keep doing my barbell lifts
@balkee42
10 ай бұрын
I agree. I was my biggest when all i did was SBD along with chins and pullups, barbell curls and lifted in lower rep ranges.
@naturalgains4229
10 ай бұрын
@@ZeroPhilosophernot true at all. How functional a muscle gets depends on how many motor units you recruit. Exercise selection doesn’t matter when you train to failure.
@ZeroPhilosopher
10 ай бұрын
Fair opinion, but I wouldn't say it's not true at all. Do what works for you. I get the biggest using barbells. Machines are too restrictive for me at my current gym.@@naturalgains4229
@ZeroPhilosopher
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, chins and pullups are definitely goated for engaging the back imo. Especially lats for me. Hard to get them to activate if I'm sitting down at a pulldown machine. @@balkee42
@naturalgains4229
10 ай бұрын
20:54 why would failing sooner be a bad thing? This would imply that volume is what drives growth and that’s false. Mechanical tension and intensity of effort are what drive muscle growth. Meaning pick a nice heavy-ish weight you can reach failure on in a 10-12 rep range. As long as your intensity is high and you’re reaching failure you will be recruiting all the motor units a muscle has available. Meaning maximum growth stimulus. This also throws volume out the window and now you don’t need 3 different Exercises for a muscle, you only need 1. People use many different exercises for a muscle because they think they are recruiting more muscle fibers, but what they’re actually doing is either overtraining or actually getting close to failure and that results in growth. You could simply just go to failure and recruit all the muscle fibers in 1 set, because that’s ultimately what you’re trying to do with 3 different exercises, you’re trying to hit all the muscle fibers. Recovery also has to be taken into account when training to failure, keep in mind you won’t lose muscle if you’re not in the gym 4 or 6 days a week and when you train to failure you will actually need more recovery to build more muscle, that’s how it works. I would recommend Jay Vincent’s channel to put an end to all these dumb bodybuilding versus powerlifting questions. It will teach you so so much, like all the answers were right in your face but you couldn’t see it type of teaching. It will be hard to fight the brainwashing of multiple sets that every one does but once you learn more you will become so much more than just a bodybuilder, you’ll evolve in knowledge and body.
@pm-yp5ri
10 ай бұрын
To me, Powerbuilding: big 3 for performance, other exercises for hypertrophy Everything else: individualised bodybuilding
@bacon66277
24 күн бұрын
This is very similar to just powerlifting because it's what they do they get stronger at big 3 and then do hypertrophy work for the rest of their work
@ZeroPhilosopher
10 ай бұрын
Do what works for you and change up when you plateau. All you need to know :D
@mohlodingmabapa5941
10 ай бұрын
Just get big and strong using the available tools. If you wanna call yourself a bodybuilder go on stage with trunks and a tan and if you wanna be a powerlifter go to a meet and do your SBD. Otherwise we just guys that enjoy lifting and don't take yourselves too seriously and enjoy the gains
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
I don’t believe your long term (emphasis on long term) strength on x compound is any higher from following powerlifting principles year round. Those principles are just to add more specificity to peak faster which Idgaf about bc I’m not in a hurry for a meet. Only way it would be slightly lower is you have to underdevelop the primary movers, bodybuilders bring up everything year round with 5-6 day splits. Alex’s less sets more exercises philosophy is key here, I could see where you run into issues if you’re arbitrarily doing 3 sets on 6+ exercises every session
@talder123
10 ай бұрын
Great video man. Many good arguments here.
@AlmostStrongAlex
10 ай бұрын
What if i want to get as big and as strong as possible? Not just big, 1rm is still very much correlated with the size of the prime movers, and doing the occasional one rep training to cauge progress has helped me alot? Testing 1rm and getting used to new weight in junction with my bodybuilding has gotten me 20kg heavier and a 130kg bench, 190 squat and a 210 deadlift while being a beginner lifter with 16 months of experience
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
You can with conjugate and not arbitrarily doing 3 sets on every exercise. Ex don’t do 3 sets of OHP when you’re already doing a lot of presses that include incline and lateral raises which still hit the front delt
@AlmostStrongAlex
10 ай бұрын
@@KurokamiNajimi no i have My main movements like bench, row, squat at 3 sets and some additional movements too but then when i do ohp or incline which is still want to progress with just 2 sets, and pullups too. On this block i do switch around everytime it gets boring or The progress slows down
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
@@AlmostStrongAlex What I’m mainly getting at is if you train 6 days a week doing 6+ exercises a session 3 sets on everything you’ll likely gas out. Especially if you’re including a max effort (or at least near max like 5-10 pounds off a full 1 RM) on variations that use a lot of weight. To me doing easier variations as a strength feat is pointless. A 365 larsen is the same as a 405 bench, only real point of conventional is easier comparison to others
@AlmostStrongAlex
10 ай бұрын
@@KurokamiNajimi yeah after My first 6 months i havent been able to train 6 days. But 6 days is pointless anyway since 5 days done smart gets you Max recoverable volume, More rest to grow and 2x frequency if not More for lagging parts
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
@@AlmostStrongAlex Depends on your goals and how much volume you want towards certain muscles. Not even about total days but total workload
@Dram1984
10 ай бұрын
It’s just what we used to call “weightlifting”. Leave it to lifters to overcomplicate everything.
@balkee42
10 ай бұрын
I was biggest ive ever been when i focused on getting stronger on the conpounds. When i went to pure hypertrophy routines i didnt get as big.
@naturalgains4229
10 ай бұрын
Were you putting in as much effort and intensity in those “hypertrophy” routines? Or were you trying harder when you were doing compounds? Hypertrophy and strength are the same thing.
@balkee42
10 ай бұрын
@@naturalgains4229 effort and intensity yes
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
Can you give an example of the 2 routines
@TheAshura858
10 ай бұрын
The best way to get big and stronger is to one rep max everything everyday and eat ice cream with raw eggs 6 times a day
@mrpink6022
10 ай бұрын
Everything works until it doesn't.....
@fleshmotorcycle9427
10 ай бұрын
The whole scene is going to war on Stand Strength’s behalf lol
@nd_otd
10 ай бұрын
If the definition of bodybuilding is to maximize muscle size as much as possible, then wouldn't that make NH not a bodybuilder? He said many times that he wants to make his shoulders relatively smaller than his other body parts, so he's intentionally limiting the growth of his shoulders, and even sometimes actively trying to make it smaller. He's basically sculpting his own body in a form which he desires. It's a pursuit of an aesthetic standard. That definition of bodybuilding is what I subscribe to than simply just getting as much muscle as possible.
@Louziaa
10 ай бұрын
I wonder why powerlifters are rediculously strong while not being the biggest even when using a "bodybuilding stimulative controlled technique..." if you do a 1rm on smith press you will be 90% of the time be weaker than if a powerlifter tried doing it even when using the closest technique to yours... - i think it's because they trained their nervous system to produce that much power... and idk but this makes me thikn that even strength gains dont necessarely correlate with muscle growth EVEN with the use of the exact same technique / protocol...
@jdimaiol
10 ай бұрын
Me personally I optimize hypertrophy while simultaneously going for some strength on the big 3 once a week for sets of 6 reps so I still get hypertrophy…
@markbaker4425
10 ай бұрын
Thats just bodybuilding. You arent pushing for 1rep max strength
@jdimaiol
10 ай бұрын
@@markbaker4425 says who? U? I have pushed my squat up by over 40+ that way
@LRandleIcon
10 ай бұрын
I put this in the specific thread, but here it is if anyone wants to answer: @standstrength & @basementbodybuilding I'll answer the questions, but I have one for you guys too. How strong are you? Pretty Strong in my eyes (I'm 44, almost 45yrs old ~150BW and trying to send 275 to hell on the bench ATM (lookup my handle for a video on YT showing my fail on it last month, more on this at the bottom). How jacked are you? Not into vanity, so I don't really take selfies or pose, but my family says I look "ripped", and the Mrs. always turns an eye and says, "you look buff, daddy", so..../shrugs Now to my question, and please excuse the length because another big thing amiss, in this world in general is context, so I hope this doesn't turn into a TL;DR for you two. I started lifting again after a 20 year "bulk" (wife/kids/work went from 135-160 during that span). As a former College Football 4year starter, and track star, I am no stranger to the weightroom, and was using my college program until, ironically, I ran across Steve Shaw's, "If you are 180lbs or under, it is highly unlikely you will bench 315, no matter how hard you try". Like Michael Jordan said, "I took it personal" (well not really, but kinda 😅), so I looked at what "everyone" had to say about the topic (even Steve), and built a program for myself to accomplish this goal..... IN ONE YEAR. This started in Jan of 2023, and as I said above, I'm trying to send 275 to hell, after starting at 185 (so 10 months of training, so far). I've always had a strong upper probably borderline elite (that's why I could play in college football at 135BW), so this wasn't just a stab in the dark. My program is built on doing 12-18 sets of flat bench per week, combining DUP with Progressive Overload. The progressive overload is on a 3-week cycle, followed by a deload week, then 1RM test a few days before I start the next cycle. During the week, I do a HPSH split for my bench (2 days Full Body/2 days Upper Only/1 day Lower Only [HEAVY], but I also ride my Peloton 5 days/week, don't worry, its low impact stuff for heart health😉) On my two hypertrophy, days I stay in the accepted zones and weights on the bench (which I know are correct by my previous 1RM test). My stated goal is to get to 315, so I actually followed what Steve said, and all of my accessory work is to get my arms/shoulders/chest "as big, and as strong, as humanly possible". Rows/Lat Raise/BW Dips/Triceps Ext/BW Pullups/Lat Pulldowns are on my schedule, and again, I stay within the hypertrophy zones on those lifts as well and generally going to 1-3RIR on all accessories. Afterwards, do I do Preacher curls or anything bicep related? Not on a schedule. Why would I? Those other lifts gives my biceps enough work on its on that I don't need to focus really. On my Power and Strength days, the methodology is similar to the Hypertrophy, but the reps/weights are changed accordingly. Instead of doing BW Dips, I do Weighted Dips (1-2 plates depending where I am at in the cycle) those progress as the cycle continues, but its still hyperfocused on getting my 315 bench. Take note: Notice I'm not talking about my lower much. Reason being, my upper grows easily (as eluded to earlier), my legs do not. My schedule for lower legs/lower back is 100% Hypertrophy. I'm nowhere near being able to squat or dead heavy, and even during my playing days I shied away from them because how it made my back and hamstrings feel (and they still ache and grown to this day just doing consistent hypertrophy work). I provided my age, weight and family makeup, but the last thing is, I'm 100% natural, no 'gray area' BS either (like TRT, etc). I have a wife and kids to worry about/take care of, I have a family history of kidney failure and cardio issues (my sister had a mild stroke at 58!). Not only would taking anything be CHEATING (IMO), for me personally, it would be INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. I dont even take creatine, just a vegan vitamin once a day, and food..... But the one "genetic" advantage that I have is that my natural test levels are higher than many 20-30 year olds. I have/had(some have passed) 23 Aunts and Uncles between my parents, and TRT didn't exist back then, so you can see why my saying, "my T levels are naturally high, even at my age" isn't cap.. So with all my "life story" out here 😅🤣🤣, what am I in your opinion? 1. Powerlifter? 2. PowerBuilder? 3. Bodybuilder?
@seanbarker9272
10 ай бұрын
I'm fairly new to this lifting and the information just between naturals is so confusing, on one had you get basement and NH saying to do one thing and then on the other hand ypu get alex Leonidas and eric Bugenhagen doing almost the complete opposite. I don't know what to believe when the advice is all over the place 🥴🥴
@wilaustu
10 ай бұрын
I think they're actually very consistent. Train hard, pay attention to recovery, make progress (reps/weight/size/volume/technique...). This is just an area where they talk about training differently because they have different personal goals. Ultimately, I like that there are differences in how they all approach training. They all got big and strong following different paths. To me, it means that if I see one of them doing something I like, I can give it a try.
@bigpicturegains
10 ай бұрын
Almost any solid training method can work. Just as BB is saying, don’t neglect “accessory” work at the expense of chasing strength too much on the big 3. Treat every lift with the attention & intensity it deserves if you want a well rounded developed physique.
@nmnate
10 ай бұрын
I think the crux is that a lot of the YT natural lifting community has different goals. It'd be a little less confusing if you chose specific goals and then set up a program around one of the channels that aligns better with your goals. At the end of the day it's all hard work, consistency, and getting stronger at exercises that are aligned with your goals. Some content creators will have content that's more appropriate for beginners and others will make more sense as you gain experience. It may seem conflicting at the start but it's also because there isn't one path to reaching goals, there are many 💪
@KurokamiNajimi
10 ай бұрын
That’s why you just experiment and stop taking statements at face value. But there’s a lot of overlap in what they promote -Do hard sets -Use effective exercises -Get legitimately stronger on the variation of the exercises you’re using not changing the form/tempo -Use at least a little variation like don’t just do straight barbell benching for the chest or only pull ups for your back -Don’t rely too much on compounds
@swordofhonor2
10 ай бұрын
people always forget longevity and aging well. most of these workouts will not help any person to stay healthy and strong unto your late stages of life.
@MCC2001
10 ай бұрын
Great video bro!
@penumbrium
10 ай бұрын
no one ever talks about bodylifting :/
@rockman7503
10 ай бұрын
I watched NH video and disagree with nearly every point he made up to argue against. His numbers are trash, so he has an ax to grind against powerlifting bros. Understandable. I'm not sure characterizing powerlifters or "powerbuilders" as beginner level trainees that are confused about their goals and destructive with their training was a fair or realistic arguement to make.
@jamesbenedict7516
10 ай бұрын
So all the videos are just about gym bro semantics?
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
Thoughts on REVIVAL Fitness attacking so-called "Hypertrophycels"?
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Lmao do you have a link for this?
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding See his recent community post and his short where he deadlifts 545 for a max.
Isn't Alex Leonidas doing some sort of powerbuilding? I don't know but the guy is big AND very strong.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
I think he’s a good example of someone that trained/s more for general strength. He never really trained like a mainstream powerbuilder imo.
@takticss
10 ай бұрын
I’m gonna make it one day
@BIG3BEST
10 ай бұрын
JasonBlaha says you dont have a name and you are cartoon character he he
@gamerchristina1079
10 ай бұрын
25:35 💪💪❤️❤️‼️
@eladhaham1014
10 ай бұрын
Just knew this video will come
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, my cup of tea here for sure.
@Sonic_1000
10 ай бұрын
Starting with a heavy set and pyramid down in later sets is a proven method. Ive never heard powerbuilding until Mike Natty OHearn said it. So many young guys overthinking it all
@ericredbeard5815
10 ай бұрын
Long live powerbuilding
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
Are the Noble Natties still under attack? Or is the fortress now safe?
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Lmao, not sure. Haven’t really kept up with our attacker.
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding I think the attacker in question secretly wanted to be a bodybuilder, like NH pointed out. He's also vehemently against Smith Machines, which I sometimes think is a jab at you and GVS.
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuildingalso, hearing you say "fluff and pump" is akin to saying "he who shall not be named."
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Classic. The baseless arguments against the smith machines. Love it 🤣
@arcaneknight9799
10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBodybuilding he might benefit from Smith Machine if his goal is to "get thicker" by the end of the year.
@BboyYummy
10 ай бұрын
Powerbuilding does not exist
@jackwilliams9889
10 ай бұрын
🎯🎯🎯
@juane.6827
10 ай бұрын
guys please watch the video before commenting lmao
@EmperorSeneca
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely no shade at all but compared to Alex, you have made substantially better gains in a much shorter period. You and Geoff are transforming the culture. Super stoked that you're documenting your journey. Do you think eating "clean" is more important when you're natural? Also, do you think there is any sort of merit in programming a novel stimulus? example: if you do high volume for a year you should start to incorporate low volume training to trigger muscular adaptation.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Thanks man! I’d say Alex has made great progress too, maybe proportionally I’ve made more recently, but I think that’s more due to him being twice my training age, so his gains will inevitably be slower, regardless of programming and effort. He’s made super impressive progress considering that, I’d argue more impressive overall than mine, even if my amount of added size is greater than his, because I’m younger/younger training age too.
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
As far as eating clean/diet, I think that primarily has an impact on health rather than physical bodybuilding results, although poor health may impact results, so there could be an indirect benefit to eating “cleaner” Novel stimulus I’m a bit skeptical of with volume changes, but for exercise selection, yeah I’d say it can help, especially as we learn more about regional hypertrophy.
@Damian.Williams
10 ай бұрын
As an ex competitive power lifter I was a power lifter... if you don't compete in bodybuilding you are not a bodybuilder you are a recreational lifter who trains like a competitive bodybuilder...
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
Would you say that the recreational lifter that trains like a bodybuilder "does bodybuilding"?
@Damian.Williams
10 ай бұрын
@@ezradanger no... as to be a competitive bodybuilder you compete in bodybuilding... Just the same as training like a powerlifter without competing doesn't make you a powerlifter...
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
@@Damian.Williams I'm not sure why you're adding the word "competitive" in there when we're just talking about being a bodybuilder. Yes, to be a COMPETITIVE bodybuilder, you have to compete in bodybuilding, but that's a subset of bodybuilding. So you wouldn't say that someone who plays baseball in a rec league "plays baseball" because they don't do it competitively?
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
@jumbo9386 that's a really weird way to look at things, and I disagree.
@ezradanger
10 ай бұрын
@jumbo9386 my reasoning is simple. If you're building your body, you're a bodybuilder. Your opinion that it doesn't count if you don't compete is just that, an opinion.
@daniell5751
10 ай бұрын
I think it's funny that nerds look for definitions and increasingly complicate their training, the best division, the perfect volume and they don't even look like they train hard LMAO The bros always knew everything that was needed and that's why they got solid results. try to get stronger whenever possible, but without wanting to increase the load at any cost, eat and sleep. Have an arm day, because we all want big arms, and never skip leg day. When they ask what routine I do (bro split with 2 leg workouts a week), they accuse me of using steroids, simply because I'm not doing ppl or upper lower. This is the level of mental retardation of this generation
@dandanhoughton
10 ай бұрын
Pick stuff up. Put it back down. Try to do more next time. Have fun doing it.
@MrCatgroove
10 ай бұрын
What are you guys even arguing? You don't even have same definitions. Powerbuilding, if defined by doing the powerlifts first, then bodybuilding training after, is almost objectively worse if your goals are only bodybuilding. Not even because of the movements, but because of the importance and the recovery demands being heavily skewed towards the big 3. They are always first. They always have the most focus and intensity. But this would be true for any bodybuilding hybrid program. If the majority of your training always revolved around heavy chinups, heavy dips and heavy split squats, you would have the same problems. It's not inherent to POWERbuilding. On the other side of that coin: how effective is powerbuilding for powerlifting? Well, powerlifting IS powerbuilding. All powerlifters train like that nowadays. There is no difference between the two. Look at ANY of the top guys in say USAPL and you will see how much they emphasize accessories and high rep work to build muscle. With these two twings in mind, the argument is completely self-defeatist. You are essentially saying that powerlifiting is not good for bodybuilding. Great. We all knew that.
@JesusSavedSolomon
10 ай бұрын
I swear every video has to do something with the big three
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
It’s a common theme
@mastersironmantarmstrong7148
10 ай бұрын
It’s good you finally attempted to actually define your terms before discussing them which should be a prerequisite for any topic of discussion. However if you will research the origins of the word powerbuilding you will see it’s similar to the definition of Steve Shaw and BOM than the other one you claim is mainstream. Your definition of the mainstream view though was basically maximize your 1 rep max in the big 3 competition style lifts by any means necessary. That is powerlifting though my friend but you continually use the terms interchangeably and then argue that powerlifting is an inferior way to maximize hypertrophy. The real definition of powerbuilding and its origins came from Doug Young and Bill Kazmaier who both were muscularity huge and used lots of volume and reps in their training. Go study the training routines of Bill Kazmaier and you will get an idea of how the term powerbuilding came about. Multiple sets of 8-15 reps on multiple variations of compound movements to maximize hypertrophy followed by lots of isolation work. And his physique and strength were reflective of his training and he was one of the first guys to be fairly lean and muscular at 330 lbs. These guys were around back in the mid 70s and early 80s long before any social media. This term was already being used. Later Ed Coan did similar training. This is pretty common knowledge amongst older guys.
@RobertKorzeniowski830
10 ай бұрын
JasonBlaha says that you are new generetion of fakenatty on 500 mg test a week what you say on that?)
@m00nkiid
10 ай бұрын
algo
@DOPAMINErgic66
10 ай бұрын
Great video. I personally think you and NH “put the nail in the coffin” much better than BOM’s video.
@victorbigstone8178
10 ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
10 ай бұрын
The only thing we can perfect is our workouts. We should not look at genetically dissimilar people and conclude that whatever it is they are doing is what we need to be doing because they look good. Nowadays I throw all conventional wisdom to the fire if need be. I go for extremely high reps in most exercises for longevity and tone and that way I can increase weights in the long run and not be overcome by a weight even on my worst day because it's never that heavy. I have more respect for the guy with the perfect workout than someone born with great genetics who does generic workouts. For me pefect workouts involve hitting the muscle from multiple angles with more and more imagination. Beyond a certain point, even as early as late 20's guys are either injured for life or stagnated in classic lifts. The only way to make measurable improvement is to start adding more lifts which can be calisthenics. By the time you have added a lot of different exercises simply getting through the workout itself is a task and maintenance is no longer about weight but making sure to activate the muscles with all those exercises. In generic lifting people burn out because they get injured or can no longer lift heavier weights so they get demoralized, quit or just plain stagnate and they know it too. In creative lifting there is ultimately much more room for improving in weights because the number of exercises is much greater but even more importantly beyond a certain point you can go by feel instead of obsess about weight because so much of your development is tied into your willingness to tolerate long workouts with lots of different exercises. The challenge here is to stay consistent and not drop out of some exercises because they don't feel heroic or fun. In this kind of training you cannot go by fun and heroic; that takes you back to the generic bro lifting where you try to use your spine and knees to move far too large weights for a couple inches. In creative lifting you ultimately stand out because you are taking your body to places other people simply do not.
@MEAT-BASED-VEGAN
10 ай бұрын
l like to get bigger and stronger to big and weak is like pigeon inflated with air
@KIKKAAA685
10 ай бұрын
Powerbuilding is good you deny it now, in 10 years it will be on top agian and it will be the same as in history over and over again full cycle
@BasementBodybuilding
10 ай бұрын
Whether it’s trending or not won’t change my opinion on it lol. But either way, I guess I could see it making a comeback down the road.
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