Another one that sounds like it just doesn't satisfactorily cross over the Mahler 3 line. Granted, it's a massive & difficult symphony to bring off because its got the whole world in it basically, but not letting the orchestra off the leash is a growing problem in exactly the kind of works that need it to happen - like this one. It used to happen fairly often, years ago, but no more these days as the desire for boring conductor-control takes the sting out of the whiplash that's supposed to bring you to attention. Instrumentalists are therefore not allowed to "let go." Well recorded & well played is not enough in this universe. The artists here could've done that if they'd been brave enough. Amongst others, I've got a superb Tennstedt live Mahler 3 with Minnesota from the early 1980's which I clearly still have no reason to depart from!
@davidgrandall2783
8 күн бұрын
This isnt surprising. Minnesota Orchestra is too restrained, timid. And its not just Vanska. Guest conductors often have difficulty getting them to play above forte. I had given up hope on Sondergard until last nights Pines of Rome. I heard Mahler 3 live at OH. Vanska's pianissimos in the Hall are incredible. Unfortunately it doesn't translate well to recordings and real world listening.
@leestamm3187
3 ай бұрын
"Afraid to make a rude sound." That's eloquently concise regarding something often required by Mahler, but not always achieved.
@johanhendrix5907
3 ай бұрын
That's what's lacking in a lot of nowadays orchestral music making (my opinion). Not only from conductors, but also the sound of instruments, woodswinds in particular...
@RaineriHakkarainen
3 ай бұрын
Philadelphia Orchestra and Czech Philharmonic had Best violin section sound in 1965-1975!!
@SupportTheArts-yo8ox
2 ай бұрын
That’s a great quote!
@lemanouchecbien1
3 ай бұрын
That performence on a good system is amazing and just for that it is worth having.
@SupportTheArts-yo8ox
2 ай бұрын
I agree. The sound is incredible. Everyone has their own tastes in style, etc and that’s totally okay… but no denying the sound!!
@donmcc3
3 ай бұрын
I've listened this multiple times with Beat earbuds while walking around at work. You sure can hear the inner detail, especially in the lower instruments. It's a low brass player's delight. One of my tests of Mahler 3s as a tuba picker is if I can hear the tuba enter on the last chord. Mahler saves it for then, the wily bastard. Perfect here..
@SupportTheArts-yo8ox
2 ай бұрын
Minnesota has an excellent brass section, and the recordings do a great job with picking them up.
@tip3y592
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review🫡
@poturbg8698
3 ай бұрын
I gave up after the underplayed first movement. So many better choices!
@brunoluong7972
3 ай бұрын
Same here
@barryguerrero6480
3 ай бұрын
Fabulous sound quality, but I think this Vanska performance has a bit too much Maazel-like lethargy in the first and third movements for my taste. That said, the coda to the third movement is terrific. Jennifer Johnston is great too. I'd like a bit more intensity and amplitude at the climax of the big brass chorale in the finale. All in all, it's a good final installment.
@DavesClassicalGuide
3 ай бұрын
We feel exactly the same way, basically.
@brianrein
3 ай бұрын
A friend of mine is really, really into the Vanska Mahler 10, so that's piqued my interest. Sounds like for you it's right in the middle. Is it more of the "not that interesting" kind of OK, or the "super mixed" kind of OK?
@DavesClassicalGuide
3 ай бұрын
Just go and listen and judge for yourself. It's more fun that way.
@stephenjcarr1
3 ай бұрын
I own the Vanska M 10 along with several others. I agree with your friend - its really good
@fredericvitart1112
3 ай бұрын
I agree with your friend as well. The crystal clear quality of Vanska's recording suits this symphony, which is the most forward looking Mahler symphony, particularly well. For me, it is the highlight of this cycle (4, 7 and 8 are also very good) and by far my favourite version of M10 .
@SupportTheArts-yo8ox
2 ай бұрын
I thought the 10 was quite good, too.
@SupportTheArts-yo8ox
2 ай бұрын
@@fredericvitart1112 I agree. I also liked #6 (especially last movement!).
@johanhendrix5907
3 ай бұрын
You mentioned it's a pity they are at the end en not the start of their cycle. I don't have the order of the releases by hand, but I indeed have the impression the lesser ones were at the start and that both orchestra and conductor grew into it. Maybe by seeing his orchestra evolve, Vänskä felt less need to manage... But I have a good idea: they can redo the bad ones. 😉🫣🤣
@DavesClassicalGuide
3 ай бұрын
That would require admitting that they are bad, and I don't see that happening--never mind the expense.
@davidmayhew8083
3 ай бұрын
Horenstein got the tam tam right.
@HassoBenSoba
3 ай бұрын
YES!!
@DavesClassicalGuide
3 ай бұрын
Yes, one the things he usually did perfectly.
@davidmayhew8083
3 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide with good assistance from sound engineers.
@HassoBenSoba
3 ай бұрын
@@davidmayhew8083 I remember hearing the Horenstein LP playing on the sound system when it was brand new (Spring, '71), while shopping at a store in Cleveland. When I heard the Tam-tam at the end of #1, I said "That's it!", and promptly bought it. I confess that I keep the Unicorn CD on the shelf largely due to its sentimental value...AND the Tam-Tam. LR
@davidmayhew8083
3 ай бұрын
@@HassoBenSoba I thought the whole thing was amazing. Those horns! Trombones! My only quibble, along with the critics then, was an apparent mistake by engineers with the base chellos. They are hardly there...
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