You're the best. I have the OG version which I haven't opened after buying it more than two years ago. I almost forgot all about it. Your video was a great reminder.
@joenovak6393
11 ай бұрын
They are $419 USA now. I also picked up this speaker in the summer. I ordered GR-Research upgrade kit for $369 and includes No Rez, 16AWG Solid wire, Tube Connectors, SONICAP Gen1, JB JFX Film cap, Inductors Solid Copper and Jantzen Resistors. So, I also have ordered Higher Grade Inductors "Mundorf CFC16" Copper Foil", Ohmite Audio Gold Resistors and still reviewing film caps. This will be posted on Audiokarma for this Upgrade project.
@chelillingworth9466
11 ай бұрын
I did the GR research kit for the original ones and it made a really awesome improvement especially in soundstage and soundstage depth
@justins.4839
11 ай бұрын
I did there kit on a gen 1 and I kept the sonicap and swapped the other for a mundorf. Sounds pretty good to me compared to stock. Seems to hold together more with aretha franklin’s vocals. I power w the 6sq7 amp and it seems to have just enough power even w the decreased efficiency. I usually run it wide open though
@OscarSanchez-tk3hx
11 ай бұрын
Just ordered the originals last night thanks for the review
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@georgeng4020
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your no-nonsense review. I no longer want to upgrade to the RP-600M II! I like your style!
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@TheStuffMade
11 ай бұрын
They're nice quality speakers, but I find it a bit disappointing Klipsch is so dishonest about the efficiency, they're rated at 96dB/2.83V/1m from the manufacturer, but several reviewers found they're only 89dB/2.83V/1m, that's a huge difference, taking them from high efficiency to just normal efficiency. And their impedance electrical phase makes them not very tube friendly. Sorry, just a small rant.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
One thing you can do when building a tube amp is use output transformers with a higher Z than the minimum required. You give up a few % of power, but now have an amp capable of driving a wider variety of speakers!
@philipketchum1407
11 ай бұрын
I have a pair of 600ms along with Klipsch Heritage La Scala and Chorus 2. I used an OSHA calibrated meter with 1 watt at 1K hz at 3’on all 3. The Heritage speaker where dead on listed specs. The 600M measured 90.5 db. I was told Klipsch now uses a different method using a range of frequencies that is more accurate. But if everyone doesn’t use the same systems it’s pretty much irrelevant for comparison. I don’t like what they are doing either. That being said I still like the 600M
@TheStuffMade
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Sure, you could also add some global feedback from the secondary side of the output transformers back to the input, that would probably do more to lower the output impedance, but still you'll likely have more than 1 ohm output impedance, and with these speakers going from below 4 ohm in the low frequencies to 15+ ohm in the high frequencies (ignoring the extreme peaks) you'd still get 20% variation in the frequency response, as in low frequencies will be attenuated compared to high frequencies. So they'll end up sounding thin with little bass. Cheers, Jake
@neilfisher7999
11 ай бұрын
Finally subscribed. I think a lot of people are split between the old and new version of this speaker. Personally I haven't heard either one, but I am a fan of almost all of their Heritage line of speakers. Other Klipsch speakers I've heard all sounded bright to me. Of course the Heritage line is way more expensive so may be out of range for a lot of people.
@mfr58
11 ай бұрын
That's instructive. Danny spends his time flattening the curve, but not listening to the results, because he "knows" from experience that the flatter curve will be better....but maybe not for everyone....
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
Which is why I didn't want to do that Xover mod to these speakers. I'm also 100% sure in a different room or setup differently, these speakers wouldn't work.
@dilbyjones
11 ай бұрын
Yep.
@dilbyjones
11 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@ConorHanley
8 күн бұрын
If you wanted a flatter curve for the original model it does the job but you pay through the nose for the privilege. If you know anything about crossovers and have have a basic setup of equipment or even just use a crossover program and a bit of empirical give and take you could do it for far far less.
@tomryan943
Ай бұрын
Great way to unbox speakers!! I'm still thinking about buying the 600M 2s, and I missed that sale on Amazon. Thanks for the review! I'm in the same situation as you, senior citizen. Thanks for the review! You are much easier to understand than all those "techie" guys. Maybe Amazon will have another sale.
@earlfenwick
11 ай бұрын
I heartily agree. I’ve never heard them 😂 but I like your approach.
@EsotericArctos
11 ай бұрын
The flip the box over seems to be the best way to get them out :). This is a case, which I highlighy often, where measurements on paper do not match the real world performance. Something can look fantastic on paper, but when you put it in the room, it can not sound the way paper says they should. You need to listen to speakers, not go on specs. I was tossing up between the Klipsch RP-600M and the Wharfedale Evo 4.1's, and I ended up going the Wharfedales as I like that slightly warmer sound of the Wharefales, but I have enjoyed the Klipsch sound previously. Maybe as I get older my taste has changed a little :). I think the 600M's are a great speaker, and they often go on sale, which makes them reasonably good value for the performance. Klipsch speakers often are bright, and I think it is the horn tweeter that makes them sound brighter. Placement is pretty critical to get the right sound. I had the same thing with the Wharfedale Evo's as well, maybe due to the AMT tweeter. Placement was really critical to imaging and response.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
Speakers are so dependent on things like room size etc. People tell me I need a pair of La Scala, I'm pretty sure they aren't gonna work in my tiny house and I'd have to remove 1/2 the furniture to even have space for them. Some folks can't imagine everyone doesn't live in a 5000+ sq ft house. with a 1000 sq ft living room.
@hardystein114
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Who needs furniture ....😆 Seriously , and as nice as La Scalas are , they are not everyone`s taste either , and not everyone can accommodate them , as you say.
@MasterofPlay7
9 ай бұрын
the rp600m ii sounded very warm to me, i was surprised with all the metal dome and tweeter they would sound shrill, but no the opposite, the midrange is thick and the singer looks like a giant 😅
@andr192
11 ай бұрын
Fair review, neutral doesn't mean better for everyone and we should use whatever it is we like. That being said, i would get the mark 2s since i enjoy a flatter sound signature 😅
@MasterofPlay7
9 ай бұрын
Got these for the holidays, the midrange/vocal is kinda pushed forward and the stereo imaging is very big, clarity is good but kinda lack that sense of space/depth from the singer to the stage/recording room
@JRadian
4 ай бұрын
Finally! I always felt the Klipsch RP-600M Mk I sounded WAY better than Danny at GR wanted us to believe. I mean, Danny usually only receives and modifies one speaker, not pair.
@michaelfrancalanzo4485
6 ай бұрын
Totally agree with your assessment. In fact, you helped me decide to pull the trigger on a pair of original RP-600M's, which they're now practically giving away. I picked up an open box pair for $320.00! I got more for less! The latest doesn't necessarily mean the greatest. Excellent job showing the frequency response graph, thanks!
@cliftoncrooks6389
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your review. I got the OG's recently on Amazon for $350 (still in box while I wait for my DAC). Best Buy has the newer ones on sale for $419, and I thought about returning the OG's in favor of the new one because of all the positive reviews I've seen on youtube. But after seeing your review I decided to hold on to the OG's. I'll spend that money on a sub instead. Thanks again and keep pushing out those awesome contents.
@dilbyjones
11 ай бұрын
I'm excited to see what you've been up to gonna have to get in with you when building my next amp.
@chelillingworth9466
11 ай бұрын
You are totally right about the placement, they are very sensitive to the distance from the back wall, I recommend starting with them pretty close and then moving them out inch by inch until you get the best balance of bass response, too close and they will be a little boomy in the mid bass and too far away, the base will fall off a cliff and they will sound bright and thin. They also sound killer with a REL tzero sub
@gdwlaw5549
11 ай бұрын
I've owned mine for about 3 yearsto replace Monitor Audio. I bought them new and paid the normal price at the time. I compared them to many brands and did some limited testing. My original plan was to hook them up to a Tube Amplifier. I did use them with a very expensive transistor amplifier before moving to a new column loudpeaker. I've now got them working in my office/spare room on a ten year old Pioneer integrated with 45 watts at 8 Ohms on steel stands with sand infill. I also use the loudness on the Pioneer and/or a little EQ to a DAC. I might even buy a second hand graphic equalizer for fun! They sound fantastic! Plenty of bass and the rest is just great. I honestly enjoy them as much as my new 4.000 euro loudspeakers (bought second hand). They don't have the transparent 3D thing but make up for it in energy, bass control. Try and pick up a pair on the used market. I can't imagine selling mine for the moment. I would recommend stands and just get a pair for that spare room....the one you go to beacuse she doesn't want to you to play music loud while she's on Netflix!
@MasterofPlay7
9 ай бұрын
the rp600m ii 3d effect is very apparent, the singer looks like a giant to me 😅
@mr.george7687
11 ай бұрын
I lined the inside of my RP 600 w/ Dynamat sound barrier. Sounds much better. No hollow box sound.
@cobar5342
11 ай бұрын
It will be interesting to see how they sound when fully run in
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
I don't think they are going to change a lot after 40 hours.
@hardystein114
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics I don`t think they will either. You would never be happy with keeping them , I think.
@christiantudor-williams1184
10 ай бұрын
Interesting that you prefer the originals. I'm considering a pair for use on the bench when I'm building tube amps. My main reference a Cornwall MKiv and I recently bought a nice pair of Heresy 11's believing I'd need to adjust the crossovers to calm them down, no such thing! I'd leave the 11's exactly as they are, they sound perfect in my living room driven by a fully Skunkie modded (cascode) Boyuurange A50 MK111. Just perfect. I think I'll very likely buy a pair of 600m for bench. Can't stand dull lack lustre loudspeakers. Thanks for review 👍
@BobTrainor
11 ай бұрын
There you go, it’s not about the measurements it’s about the sound you like. That’s why tone controls are necessary and not optional. One man or woman’s distortion is another’s sonic bliss. Different rooms, different ears, measurements give you a way to graphically compare one speaker to another but it ultimately comes down to taste. Thanks for another fun video.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
I honestly have not found any "tone controls" that don't somehow harm the sound in some other way. It's why I work to shape the tone curve to my room with specific tubes, speakers etc. But yeah, subjective reviews are 100% personal taste, it's why I also like to provide measurements!
@BobTrainor
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics I agree with you Skunkie. Measurements are critical, and they are a great way to objectively ‘see’ what a speaker or piece of equipment is doing, especially compared with one another. But ultimately you like what you like, and it doesn’t matter what the measurements say. Case in point, new RP600M vs old, new measures better, but you like the old. Same thing happened with your review of the little Decware Zen. Didn’t measure well, THD too high for you, but others love it. Some people like chocolate some people like vanilla. All that being said, I do think measurements are extremely important, but in the end it’s ultimately personal preference that rules the day. Measurements get you in the ball Park, but then it comes down to individual ears, and listening rooms. That’s why tone controls are required (put in a defeat switch for the purists) A perfectly flat response might not work for my old ears, or my poor listening room that my wife won’t let me treat. So those tone controls come in handy for us old audiophiles that just want the music to sound good. I know you know what I’m talking about, you’re a self proclaimed bass head. Some songs might just need a little bump in that bass and that’s what the bass knob is for. Lol. 🤣 Thanks for commenting back to me. Always enjoy your videos. Hope you have a wonderful day, and many hours of enjoyable listening. Peace ✌️
@AudioFileZ
5 ай бұрын
Looks like Klipsch addressed the crossover region suck-out. Also, they addressed what some said was some excess brightness. This won't be the revamp everyone thought they wanted apparently. That said, I think a lot of folks will like the new ones regardless, but the real value seems to be the original version, especially at the current time when they have deep discounts available. Your review made a lot of sense to me especially as many of us have diminished high frequency hearing due to age. Thanks.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
5 ай бұрын
100% And I warn people that my high frequency hearing, like many older folks, is weak and what sounds great to me, might not to someone in their 20's. That said, what sounds good to a 30 year old reviewer, might sound flat and dull to someone who is 60+.
@MK-rn2hm
6 ай бұрын
Wonderful review. However, please note the original version do have a tendency of chaffing at some frequencies from the rear port. There is a KZitem video on it as well worth watching. I attribute that to poor internal bracing. Thank-you
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@wtcwtc9861
11 ай бұрын
When your ears don't work like they used to, an equalizer will make a world of difference. You don't have to break the bank either. From all the reviews I've watched most of the "experts" prefer the RP500M II.
@MasterofPlay7
7 ай бұрын
but the 500m don't go as low
@NoMoreRadioMyths
11 ай бұрын
I wonder if Klipsch has been stung by all the complaints through the years that their speakers are too aggressive? Well with poor setup and amplification heritage Klipsch could be. The old Klipsch like my Forte 1's love tube amps but cheap solid state could drive you out of the room.
@mddawson1
11 ай бұрын
Those speakers are $1349 AUD a pair in Australian B&M stores but still $1225 AUD direct from Amazon US. Currency rates and import costs are a killer. I wonder if these mkii versions incorporate GR Research mods? Also, do you think their sound would improve once they have run in?
@nevillegoddard4966
11 ай бұрын
@@mddawson1. Wow that's dear mate! NO strayans are gunna buy these, they're just not that good! Who's making all the dag gum mark up on these then? What a ripoff you theiving bastards!
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
They have about 40 hours now before I boxed them up. I can't imagine they are gonna radically change from this.
@hardystein114
11 ай бұрын
Everything in this country ( Australia ) is horrendously overpriced. Everything.
@dgtheone
2 ай бұрын
@@hardystein114same in South Africa. We literally pay double what the Americans pay.
@samuelferraro5601
11 ай бұрын
I think the obsession with speakers being dead flat is crazy. If the sound of a pair speakers makes you happy and keeps listening, then they are good speakers for you. End of discussion. I like slightly warm speakers that have a good soundstage both in depth and size. I'll gladly give up some detail to get that. That makes me happy and other people love their detail and sparkling high end and that's good for them. Others with a lot of money keep seeking the end of the rainbow but will never get there IMHO. People just getting into the hobby need to stop letting others tell them what's good. What's good is what brings a smile to your face and makes it hard to stop listening.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
Bingo! And which speaker or amp makes me tap my foot and smile is highly dependent on both my room and my ears, many of ours have aged and probably been subject to a lot of abuse! Add in the memories we have from listening to live music in various places and how that was EQ'd, our expectation of what "sounds right" is literally all over the place!
@pnichols6500
11 ай бұрын
These just won the "Best Budget" product in Stereophile's Products of the Year Awards. Highly recommend!
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
LOL and?
@pnichols6500
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics December 2023 issue.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
That doesn't change my opinion or what they sound like to me. I could easily just keep these RP-600M II but the older version is more enjoyable to listen to to me. I disagree with quite a few of the mainstream audiophile folks.
@pnichols6500
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics I agree on that, I bought the "Speaker of the Year" a few years ago and couldn't return them fast enough.
@raveG244
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Thanks for keeping it real. Neither modeling Amps nor flattening curves doesn't create sound. That dip in the RPM600s' response has been overhyped and over-measured when there was so little data on whether it matters. I love specs like the next person, but it's just like in photography where I see a gazillion test shots of a brick wall with the latest gear but not a single photograph that shows how it actually matters.
@paulgood2218
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review
@brettsandstrom719
10 ай бұрын
I was excited to receive the rp600m ii's. I ran them for days before I gave them a good listen. I was sad to hear how dull and sort of anemic they were. They aren't a bad speaker but I was not excited to hear them. The mid range is very shouty and dull. The tweeter also lost it's sparkle. I've come to the conclusion that there are people like Erin and gr research that like a flat neutral speaker. And there is us folks that like U and V share curve speakers. I remember back in the 80's and 90's as a kid when everyone had graphic eq's and spectrum analyzers. I always put a big old dip down in the mid section. That is what made it sound correct to my weird ears. Almost as if you gave it depth. I agree with you on your review of these speakers. Not a bad speaker but not for the v curve crowd. Have you ever heard the Yamo c93ii? They have an even deeper drop in the mid range and an exciting tweeter. The most exciting tweeter i have heard.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
10 ай бұрын
I might give a pair of those a try!
@bruceandt
11 ай бұрын
With all your technical knowledge and experience… could you do a diy with Purify drivers. That would be epic. Buchardt uses them. These drivers are very impressive. A 6.5 driver costs 366.00 Canadian. Totem acoustic Forest uses Hi-Vi research D6.8’s at a Canadian cost of 168.00
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
I'm an infant when it comes to speakers. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong with the DIY3.1 kit lol.
@ConorHanley
8 күн бұрын
Odd, was prompted to see this after watching a video about the older version and a GR Research modification and strangely enough folks have different likes in sound. You like a U shaped curve from a speaker , the old version and not the improved new one. Not sure I'd want either but I certainly wouldn't want a suck out in the midrange. Oh well, I learnt something even if I already knew that one has to listen to a speaker in the room its going to reside before knowing if its for whoever.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
8 күн бұрын
Depends on whose testing you look at, but some testing I have seen show they both have a suck out in the mids, the newer one has less bass so to some folks it's not as noticeable.
@318ishonk
9 ай бұрын
The difference between old and new is so small, you could achieve a similar FR with two PEQs in a Wiim mini streamer (and you could also dial them back when wanted). Provided you use a Wiim device for streaming of course.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
9 ай бұрын
I listen to vinyl :)
@318ishonk
9 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Ah yeah then it's less easy to EQ the speaker tonality. I tried analog EQs in the past (I think it was a Yamaha Pro Audio thing) and the effect on sound quality wasn't pretty.
@rene_magritte
11 ай бұрын
Off topic, but that’s an interesting 2-stroke you’ve got there on the shelf. What is it?
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
1980's vintage Kart racing engine, Yamaha KT100A modified to run on methanol in open class racing.
@bearded_wolverine3503
6 ай бұрын
This is timely, I was torn between the OG and the MKII I can get the OG in walnut for $300 new.
@MasterofPlay7
9 ай бұрын
Got these for the holidays, the midrange/vocal is kinda pushed forward and the stereo imaging is very big, clarity is good but kinda lack that sense of space/depth from the singer to the stage/recording room, guess too much emphasis on the midrange
@m13579k
11 ай бұрын
Personal preference, I find flat neutral speakers kinda boring. That is why I picked my RP-500M, I love the punchy dynamics.
@fubarnow8907
11 ай бұрын
Honest review
@yuriwalter385
11 ай бұрын
Hey, girl! Nice video, thanks! One question: have you ever tried to biamp these speakers? I happen to have a pair of oldchen EL34 and I'm curios about biamp. As I don't have a biampable speaker, I'm considering buying those to try. Would love to hear your thoughts on biamping speakers with tube amps. 😊
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
I haven't but a friend of mine has, it can work with an active crossover before the amp.
@yuriwalter385
10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@RanTausi
11 ай бұрын
Many thanks for the video , it was really good insight. Peace from Israel ❤
@EskWIRED
11 ай бұрын
You need a better set of speakers, or at least, a high efficiency, high quality speaker to use a a reference. Your amplifier experiments need speakers like that in order for you to do a real test. If you were playing with lower quality amplifiers, or if you didn't care about sound quality, things might be different. Somebody here should lend you their La Scala setup thats gathering dust.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
This channel is focused on budget DIY. And honestly, I've listened to "better speakers" as told by other reviewers and for my taste, they didn't sound better. I have a pair of Klipsch Chorus speakers a viewer gave me, which many would say are better speakers, but in my small home those big speakers just don't work. If my 6BM8 amp can drive the speakers I have to the volume levels I like, then these are efficient enough.
@EskWIRED
11 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronics Fair enough. But to be as accurate as possible when you deal with Willsenten and Decware and stuff like that, it would be good to have speakers that are a step above the amps in quality.
@dilbyjones
11 ай бұрын
Here here
@dilbyjones
11 ай бұрын
@@EskWIREDhuh?
@EskWIRED
11 ай бұрын
@@dilbyjones yep.
@johnstuchlik5828
11 ай бұрын
I've had a similar experience with some small studio monitors.good for making decisions on my recordings.but I enjoy listening in general on speaker with slightly more (flawed ) frequency response.which series of jantzen or color of the cap did you use?
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
Superior Z, the big red ones.
@larryclark6977
11 ай бұрын
Hi, well to be fair with all the review off these speakers; I've got a pair of Celestion Ditton 44 series 2 witch I've redo the crossover and they rely beat those new Klipsch series hands down, I pay 400$ CDN for these plus 500$ CDN for prime crossover pieces, I've listen to these new Klipsch series and was not impress whit them.😐
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
I think a lot depends on the room they are in. I've listened to them at a friends house in a larger room and wasn't impressed either.
@gratmatassa5432
4 ай бұрын
looks like Klipsch have removed the fun sound from them
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
4 ай бұрын
Yup, in pursuit of flat response measurements...
@albe1796
11 ай бұрын
You almost forgot to mention you were comparing your modded 600m to the new one. Didn't you think you should have mentioned that in the beginning of 😮 the review?
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
The only mod to the speaker was changing the brand of one film cap with the same value cap. it didn't make an earth shattering difference (honestly not sure it really did much..) and the change wasn't measurable.
@markcomisky7106
5 ай бұрын
Y needs break into
@wpg_dude1400
11 ай бұрын
good deal $949 in CDN :((
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
11 ай бұрын
Aww :(
@pauldow1648
10 ай бұрын
Hearing is subjective
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
10 ай бұрын
Of course it is, hence this was a subjective choice I made :)
@NeverTakeNoShortcuts
10 ай бұрын
@@SkunkieDesignsElectronicsThat’s what I really appreciate about your review. Well done.
@granpaking508
3 ай бұрын
This speaker company does not have good speakers at all. Those speakers are pretty OK, but not nothing to do with the top-notch ones.
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, keep reading those forums...
@kobush18
11 ай бұрын
👍💯👍 brutal honestly
@manuellazarocarus9614
8 ай бұрын
👍👍😂😂
@woofman4796
10 ай бұрын
Did you play the new ones for at least 60 hours to break them in? I have the 600m and I think they suck, I have the b&w 606 and they sound awesome, I might get the newer klipsch,
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics
10 ай бұрын
I know the RP600M sounded nice out of the box and their character didn't change. I didn't need to play them for 60 hours before I liked them. Is there something that different about this version II that they sound bad out of the box and completely transform after 2 work weeks of hours of play time? If you think the PR600M speakers suck and I love them, you probably shouldn't take my advice on speakers, just saying :)
@woofman4796
10 ай бұрын
@SkunkieDesignsElectronics I don't take anyone's advice as gospel, I have been buying electronics/home audio equipment since the early 80's, right now we have a Marantz cd player and Marantz receiver, 12 guage svs brand speaker cables and audio quest interconnect cable
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