If I were to start commuting again, this would be a "tool" to buy because it's not just for fun, it's a mode of transport. Imagine leaving work after a hard day, commuting home, and you pass by a cool dirt trail you haven't explored yet and saying, "Why not!". Just go and explore and forget about all the fires you had to put out that day! To me that's what an e-bike should be for.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Would be such a good option.
@jimbo4203
10 ай бұрын
I love my flat bar gravel bike a Turbo Vado SL 4.0 , this is Santa Cruz 's version and I definitely want a test ride , and like you said the fact that these bikes the assist doesn't cut off till 28mph is a game changer
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
More speed
@jgladstone179
10 ай бұрын
The Turbo Vado SL 4.0 assist doesn't cut off until 28mph either. It is Class III....at least it is in the US models.
@jimbo4203
10 ай бұрын
Ya mine goes up to 28 mph assist and it's nice
@vilavg3657
5 ай бұрын
Do you do Gravel on the Vado SL? How does it hold up? Ride equality, battery, long ride fatigue - thanks
@jimbo4203
5 ай бұрын
@@vilavg3657 I did a 2000 mi review on my channel on the Turbo Vado SL it's still running strong, I rode gravel on it today
@aklags
6 ай бұрын
This is a really good review and man am I intrigued. Went to test ride one and immediately started a new piggy bank with this bike’s name on it 😅
@bikersedge
6 ай бұрын
Hey thanks! Glad you liked it. The “Skitch” bank is something we can get behind.
@120M
7 ай бұрын
After 30 years industry made a circle and has invented hard fork MTB 😂
@bikersedge
7 ай бұрын
But with a motor in it. Progress.
@Proviction
Ай бұрын
Just ordered one in Oxblood.. really excited to try it out as a lunch ride/post work ride to get me out to the good hills faster. Surprised there isn't many reviews out on this bike.
@theonlyDougBlack
10 ай бұрын
I don't know why, but this bike seems to really grab me.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Same. It's weird and silly but so damn cool and useable too.
@aznguyen316
10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Really cool bike that draws me in. Speed and rowdy with a motor. Win win
@jimm244
10 ай бұрын
Needs a basket on front…maybe some streamers on the grips. 😁 Seriously, it looks like an awesome urban/gravel machine. (Needs a basket tho).
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Ooooh now we’re talking. Maybe a banana seat?
@Pleasure_Baron
27 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I think it was a considerable miss not to test the range in at least one riding terrain, if not various conditions.
@bikersedge
26 күн бұрын
I don't disagree, but range can vary so much based on the rider.
@acornhehe
10 ай бұрын
Great review as always. This one is definitely on my list. Looks like fun no matter where I'd like to take it. Obviously not a mountain bike, but looks like a blast!
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
It’s so damn fun in the weirdest way. Not replacing a full sus mountain bike but for me it replaces my hardtail, gravel, road and commuter bikes.
@bikersedge
9 ай бұрын
@@BubbleGum-s5c again, we reviewed this with the stock parts as well as the swapped out parts.
@NocSuKow
4 ай бұрын
Watching American Flyers right now haha and got an itch and looked this bike up. thankfully you did a review haha.
@NocSuKow
4 ай бұрын
maybe an XC bike then? but no tight shorts haha
@ditto1958
2 ай бұрын
If these had been a thing when I was younger, I might have seriously considered bicycling to work.
@proflex515
10 ай бұрын
Interesting takes and enjoyable video.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Her thanks!
@albertmills9365
10 ай бұрын
It's weird how what's obviously a hybrid bike, is never called a hybrid bike. The power of branding and advertising.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Except Santa Cruz called it a hybrid in their launch video….
@mtbfreakster
7 ай бұрын
The geo seems odd especially the XL and XXL. Head tubes are really short. For this type of bike they are normally much taller. I.e. ~200mm for XL not 160mm. For the XXL you tested there are a lot of spacers. I really want to like it but geo seems weird for the taller population.
@bikersedge
7 ай бұрын
I would imagine it’s because they’re trying to keep the front end height in check. This is geo adjusted for suspension forks.
@Garcia061
Ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly
@rangi0072
10 ай бұрын
🙏🏼🙏🏼pleeeease Santa Cruz make a carbon chameleon version of this 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Now there’s an idea
@and2244rew
10 ай бұрын
YESSS!
@cadriver2570
10 ай бұрын
I love the level of detail in your review. Would you consider a stem suspension over a suspension fork for hand comfort? Also curious if you have thoughts on this versus the Creo 2. I’m looking for a comfortable bike that I can take anywhere. I’ve found I ride my ebike way more than my acoustic because it takes care of nasty hills and keeps sweat at bay. Next step is a light ebike.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Hey thanks. I don’t have much experience with suspension stems. Wouldn’t really be able to make that call. I’d have to think an actual fork with damper and spring has to feel a lot better. Not sure I’d like my handlebars moving like that either. Not sure on the creo. We don’t carry specialized at the shop. Not familiar.
@cadriver2570
10 ай бұрын
@@bikersedge Thanks for getting back. Did you find it to be as comfortable as the Stigmata?
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
@@cadriver2570 I haven’t ridden the stigmata.
@DadMichoMurphy
10 ай бұрын
I was eyeballing this one - but then the new Spesh Creo dropped - This still has the (large) advantage of Sram transmission. Having had amazingly good service out of my SL powered bikes, I have to work out if I trust Fazua enough. Santa Cruz is great though.
@antuanclamaran1205
9 ай бұрын
Fazua has made a great name for themselves. Excellent reliability and support. Porsche has bought them.
@DadMichoMurphy
9 ай бұрын
@@antuanclamaran1205 My 1 experience with Fazua was a bad one through Trek - I ended up returning the bike for a number of issues, not the least of which was the bad design of the early motor. I think they have learned from it, but I don't know if the dealer network here (US) really trusts them either.
@bikersedge
9 ай бұрын
Yeah they seemed to have had a pretty rough start. That was my biggest concern with our new Fazua equipped e-bikes. Luckily it’s been smooth sailing for us. It would seem that Fazua has worked out a lot of the bugs.
@antuanclamaran1205
9 ай бұрын
@@DadMichoMurphy What issues? I had a Focus Paralane2 6.7 which was the original prototype for the Fazua motor and it worked great, very ahead of its time. I had bought it for 2800€ and 3 years later sold it for 2600€ which proves that it held its value very well. They continue offering the Fazua 50 motor with various builds so it's not like the Fazua 60 has completely replaced the previous one.
@DadMichoMurphy
9 ай бұрын
@@antuanclamaran1205 My 2019 Trek Domane+ broke the motor/battery lever (it never worked right) it had numerous issues staying on, providing boost regularly. At that time the firmware/app integration was garbage and it never worked right with my Garmin. My LBS (during covid no less) worked tirelessly to get it right, but it just got to be infuriating. The LBS here in Texas took it back with no complaint. About the same time, the Creo SL dropped, and I went there and never went back. More importantly for the Creo it was Class 3, which gives assistance up to that 45kph/28mph limit that is so much more rational than 32kph/20mph. With the exception of a TCU that failed after a incredible drenching (fixed under warranty) it was flawless. I ended upgrading to Creo 2, which is a dream, but still not as quiet as the Fazua was.
@stanley909
10 ай бұрын
So it's an ATB then? Looks good but the price is a bummer.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
6K is pretty standard for a Carbon eBike. Not out of line.
@WSTP3
5 ай бұрын
I'm looking for something that can assist on hills/mtn's when I need it. I have DCM (heart problem) and although I can still exercise I have to keep my heart rate at a "moderate" level. So when i get above 130ish I have to back it down. So now I'm limited in what i can tackle. I'm assuming this can help boost when I need that extra bump when the heartrate climbs to high
@koushikchaudhuri8484
8 ай бұрын
How come no rack mounts?
@socaladv2557
10 ай бұрын
It's not a matter of if but when.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Now is a good time.
@tenren6951
3 ай бұрын
love to see the comparison to turbo vado 5 sl on climbing
@bikersedge
2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately we won’t be able to make that happen. Won’t be able to get a specialized.
@alj.granda8252
Ай бұрын
@@bikersedge What is going on with Specalized? My LBS carried Specailized for 25 years, but decided not to continue because of poor warranty support . Im a fan of Specialized.
@William.N
10 ай бұрын
Its kinda niche but not at the same time
@theGEOcycle
10 ай бұрын
Neat bike, but after the absolute disaster technicians and shops had with Fazua-equipped Trek bikes - I'd hope for better luck with Santa Cruz here.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Fazua seems to have had a rough launch. So far we haven’t had any reliability issues with the Relay, Skitch or Heckler SL. They may have worked out the kinks.
@IIISentorIII
3 ай бұрын
Just buy a SCOTT SOLACE GRAVEL eRIDE 10 BIKE
@vilavg3657
5 ай бұрын
What’s the next best alternative? This bike won’t be sold in Europe until mid 2025.
@bikersedge
5 ай бұрын
I personally don’t know of many other bikes like it. I’m sure they exist though.
@IIISentorIII
3 ай бұрын
SCOTT SOLACE GRAVEL eRIDE
@ChopperChad
10 ай бұрын
Seems like an N+1 type of bike
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
I don't know. I think it replaced multiple bike in the garage.
@billskolnik4908
5 ай бұрын
Are the wheels hookless? Can you get wheels that are traditional and safe? Is there a range extender available for the motor, and I mean can you order it today and get it next week. Other than those two concerns my 70-year-old qtr million-mile ass cheeks have no other questions.
@bikersedge
4 ай бұрын
Yes. They are hookless rims to be set up tubeless - certainly safe. No range extender available currently.
@sneakerjoe23
10 ай бұрын
What are those sectioned off bike paths called?
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Bike paths I think.
@PNW_DK
5 ай бұрын
No 650b support?
@bikersedge
5 ай бұрын
Nope. Only 700c
@streetsveterans
7 ай бұрын
How much cost this bike where I can find
@bikersedge
7 ай бұрын
The Skitch starts at 6299. You can come visit us if you’re interested in purchasing one.
@alj.granda8252
Ай бұрын
@@bikersedge That's pretty much inline with Trek and Specialized Carbon Gravel E bikes, but the Skitch has a bit more power.
@MTBSamurai
10 ай бұрын
It’s the Santa Cruz Sell Out Mobile
@soulzerosix
10 ай бұрын
So skinny 700c tyres, flat(ish) bars, very short travel fork... wait, that's a trekking bike, only way more expensive.
@alj.granda8252
Ай бұрын
I don't consider 45c wide tires to be skinny at all. Anything wider and you will hate road riding it.
@Cx3mtb
10 ай бұрын
I can’t see this being successful since other e commuter bikes are a quarter of the sc price tag.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
Yeah but this is much more than a commuter. Not a good comparison.
@user-dr7nm2pz2q
10 ай бұрын
But there are several other bikes with Fazua system that are Gravel/Commuter/ pub bike at much lower price points from the likes of. Vitus and Boardman - aside from the likes of the BMC Alpenchallenge range running Bosch systems and Orbeas with the Mahle system. I would say SC are late to the party on this, though it’s a nice execution.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
@user-dr7nm2pz2q sure. They’re not the first or the cheapest but they aren’t out of line or exorbitant in terms of price.
@Cx3mtb
10 ай бұрын
@@bikersedge definitely agree it’s a unique bike but how big is the demographic that this bike appeals to? Realistically. I love my commuter bike but I know I can’t rip it anywhere near my honzo ESD or Rallon. Worlds apart. I can take this bike on mild trails but it won’t appeal to me in the long run. My commuter is a 1998 rockhopper 😂.
@bikersedge
10 ай бұрын
I don’t disagree there. The bike is pretty niche on the surface and not everyone is going to love it. It’s more than just a commuter and ends up being pretty versatile. I won’t argue that 6k is a lot of money but compared to most carbon e-bikes it’s in line with
@antuanclamaran1205
9 ай бұрын
How can someone make a review without talking about the price? Lmao.
@bikersedge
9 ай бұрын
I never talk about price. I’m rarely if ever reviewing a specific build. I talk about ride quality, geometry and suspension, not components. I’m not going to tell people what’s worth it for them and their budgets.
@antuanclamaran1205
9 ай бұрын
@@bikersedge With those self-imposed limitations, the review is lacking. Why would someone who's watching the review, not want to know the components, builds and cost? Those are integral parts of the bike offered. In this case for example, I was excited for the bike but when I googled the price and found out it was 6-7000$, I lost my interest as I think it is way overpriced. For 45-50% of that price, someone can find a comparable bike with the Fazua 50 motor. An older technology motor, a couple of kgs heavier, less tire clearance aren't worth 3500$. You don't need to tell people what to do, you can present the facts and give an opinion on the price-value proposal. I understand that big companies don't like that and want to give their bikes for neutered reviews but let's not pretend that this way the review is lacking.
@aklags
6 ай бұрын
Believe it or not, some of us would rather hear about the stats and specs before thinking about the price… price is all relative and contextual and you can google it in under 10 seconds. Additionally, not all of us want to hear opinions about pricing from the peanut gallery or the reviewer since everyone evaluated that differently. Sure, most of us can never justify a $250,000 car, but most people have a credit card, or other ideas on how to save a few thousand dollars for something awesome. For those that simply can’t make it work, there will be cheaper options either way.
@aklags
6 ай бұрын
Believe it or not, some of us would rather hear about the stats and specs before thinking about the price… price is all relative and contextual and you can google it in under 10 seconds. Additionally, not all of us want to hear opinions about pricing from the peanut gallery or the reviewer since everyone evaluated that differently. Sure, most of us can never justify a $250,000 car, but most people have a credit card, or other ideas on how to save a few thousand dollars for something awesome. For those that simply can’t make it work, there will be cheaper options either way.
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