Its no myth, there is indeed a soundstage, if you're not 'seeing' it, either your equipment is responsible or the arrangement of your speakers are not setup to reveal it. Some gear is more revealing of the soundstage than other equipment. Well-engineered tube gear like Decware is famous for its ability to reveal the recording's soundstage. The setup of the recording microphones has everything to do with how well a recording's sound stage is presented. Mike Moffett is too good an engineer to overlook that factor in the gear he produces. So in your case, having seen how close together your speakers are, it's not a surprise that you are not seeing the soundstage. Proper speaker positioning is essential, not just for soundstage but for imaging and bass as well. There are a number of methods for doing so that can be found on the web. My favorite is the Master Set Speaker Positioning System. But you need a balance control to use it.
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
Well as I just commented on my other video that you commented on, I know that certain recordings do have" a sound stage" however it's just simply something that I don't listen for, it's just something that doesn't get me off when I listen to music. What I listen for and as I'm reiterating, is tonal color and instrument realism, and not the sound stage. Also apparently you've never heard a really good mono system, and had the notion that what you were listening to in that piece of piano music was in fact a real piano when you shut your eyes as you were listening. That's where my love for tonal accuracy and color come from, about 2 years ago I had the opportunity to hear a high-end mono system with an old altec voice of the theater speaker and matching amplifier played from a Garrard 301 with a mono cartridge. And I shit you not we were listening to Bill Evans and I could swear without a shadow of a doubt that when I closed my eyes that I was hearing a real piano being played in the room, and there was no sense of soundstaging because it was mono, there was a sense of that's a real instrument in the room with us right now being played by Bill Evans who is also in the room with us right now. So as you see or should be able to anyway, even if my setup was proper as you say it still wouldn't matter if I had a greater sense of sound staging because effectively I wouldn't care. At the end of the day we're all in this hobby for different reasons and we get different things out of it and that's okay. Apparently sounds staging is high on your list of things that you want to hear when you listen to music, unfortunately it's at the bottom of mine and again that's okay.
@geoffreydebrito7934
Жыл бұрын
@@Audiorevue Thanks for the reply. BTW, I too listen for and place primary importance upon tonal color and instrument realism. We actually listen to much of the same music. Forgive this long reply that I see as needed. So, I was not responding to "secondly you should know that I'm not a big sound stage guy". Personally, I place it down the list of importance but if the recording has it, I want to hear/see it. I value palpability, that "you are there" experience, the "you'd swear the artist is in the room with you" and to get that; tonal color, instrument realism, resolution of detail, imaging, bass depth and nuance plus sound stage are necessary to the "you are there" experience. BTW, more than any other factor, driver size reveals sound stage. That why the Lii Song Audio F-15 full range driver is being raved about by sound stage aficianados. The downside is your "head in a box" restriction. Rather, I was responding to "I think sound staging is something that, it's a fallacy, it's, it's a fakery, it's trickery..." Followed by "what you're really perceiving as a Sound Stage is sort of fake, it's not really real" It is that assertion to which I took exception. As that is not a statement of personal preference but an assertion of fact. I simply disagree that to be factually true. But I take no exception to your personal preferences, as we all do possess them. I accept that proper placement of your speakers is, given your priorities of unimportance for you. But that arrangement has led you to fail to perceive what is on at least some of the music to which you listen and draw a false impression. Consider that, you point to the proof that sound staging is real when you state; "now there are some exceptions to that, classical recordings uh sometimes live recordings recorded are recorded how it should be"... As you may well know, 1950's Mercury Classical Recordings were single mike recordings and are famous for their sound staging with no tricks employed post production. Mercury sound engineers had learned that a single mike, placed appropriately, rendered the closest approximation to what the audience, sitting center stage, about 10 rows back experienced. Today, a number of 'quality first' independent recording labels follow that methodology. In the 1950s, stereo recordings were the BIG thing and sound engineers working for their company's High Fidelity division did their best to determine what best worked. In addition, a single mike recording with none of today's ability to manipulate the recording post production, simply reveal the sound field that was present at the venue. In a quality system, you can close your eyes and identify where every sound is coming from, even in a small venue, reflections off the ceiling. Attending a live acoustic performance with no electronic amplification, you will experience the natural sound stage that exists independently of any recording equipment at all. The more instruments, placed across a wide stage with you sitting in the center, the more obvious the sound stage will be. Whereas, if you're sitting far away in a outdoor stadium, of course you'll hear no such thing. So too with a single guitar on stage, in that case acoustic reflections off the room is the best you'll hear and then, only with a good recording heard in a system that has enough resolution. I've been into this hobby since the early 60s and I'm still learning. IMO, we're living in a new 'golden age'. Enjoy the journey and yes, keep sharing your thoughts and experiences.
@jman8368
7 ай бұрын
@@AudiorevueWe all listen for different things, but I can't stand a narrow soundstage.
@dugahole55
Жыл бұрын
Awesome review, bought the amp the other. Love a good garage studio too!
@steveowens398
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review - I'm starting to think about a new amp and this helped, if only to rule this particular Schiit out. I know what you mean about the sound stage - it's often artificially established. I just consider that as part of the artist's composition. Their placement can be very entertaining - listen to 'How Can You Be In Two Places At Once' by the Firesign Theatre as an example. Some classical LPs, such as Mercury Living Presence recordings, used a single microphone to capture the entire orchestra. That was followed by three microphones - left, right, and centered above. Some early stereo receivers even had an output jack for the center signal.
@Mrbombs102
Жыл бұрын
Found this video when looking for a desktop amp to drive a pair of Klipsch RB51 Bookshelf speakers I already have. My current PC setup only has headphones, leaning towards this out of the back of the Hel 2 for a simple desktop setup for on the fly headphones and monitors. Is there any glaring issues with this setup that I'm missing? I've never really ventured out of the headphone audio space. I haven't seen any reviews of the cheaper and smaller Schiit Rekkr, which has pushed me to see the gjallarhorn as the cheapest decent option. Thank you for the great review!
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
I don't see a problem with the hel as a DAC preamp.
@brydon10
Жыл бұрын
I definitely believe the NAD D 3020 would work great as a pre-amp. I still use mine on my desk as an integrated amp daily, it's been turned on for about 10 hours a day for a few years now. It still works as well as the day I received it - and it was preowned! Mine is a V1 (USB input), not the V2 (phono). These things are built to last.
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
yeah like I said it's kind of funny but I had actually forgot I had one and I went and was looking for something about a week and a half ago and I ended up going through a box where stuff was packed away and it was in there.
@brydon10
Жыл бұрын
@@Audiorevue Always nice to find great stuff without having to pay again lol.
@brydon10
Жыл бұрын
Speaker placement is critical for soundstage perception. I also agree that the recording plays a big part.
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
yeah you know over the years that I've been doing this I've heard good sound staging but like I said in the video I've kind of boiled what I want out of my music down to tone and realistic sound.
@PJFost
Жыл бұрын
The Fire Inside, Uhero Na, and...??? Just a couple off hand I can think of off hand with realistic imaging. Heard one with a quartet where I could hear each person standing there, but forget the name of it because didn't like song, but it was well recorded. Letter, there is giant writing in front of me with pencil rolling smoothly across from left to right. Bells, end of song the drum beats sweep across left to right and back. Both very cool, but not realistic. And most engineers don't seem to even put in that level of effort. Typically all I hear is singer, guitar and drums on top of each other in the middle, ambient all around, with splashes of sound left and right from the speakers for stereo effect. Odd things, like drum beats in middle, and then symbols crashing way out to the sides. Some of the time it sounds interesting, but not remotely realistic. You'd think at a minimum they would put duets next to each other and guitar and drums next to soloist, etc. and then splash stuff left and right for the masses. Is that wrong? Or is my system more limited than I know?
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
well like I said in the video, I'm not arguing against the idea that imaging and sound staging doesn't exist. what I'm arguing again is the idea that you can create soundstaging where none does exist. And furthermore the majority of the music I listen to was recorded in a way so as that it doesn't have any sort of realistic sound staging of any kind, and any that is present is a byproduct of the engineering or production process. people misinterpret what I'm trying to say because of their own inherent biases, all I was trying to say is that when it comes to music reproduction sounds staging isn't the top of my list matter of fact it's below the bottom of my list. what matters more to me when I'm listening to music is the reality and the tonality of the instrumentation, like how real is that symbol does that Les Paul actually sound like a Les Paul or does it sound more like a Stratocaster?
@sauhamm3821
Жыл бұрын
i run two horns from a topping dac, xlr/mono to emotiva t2+ i ABd that with two rekkrs, various speakers. both of those amps sound amazing. i agree with the shirted gentlemen in blue 🤓
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
what's even more impressive is that they sound even better when you listen with your head held underwater
@emarshallp
Жыл бұрын
Did you have a channel like cheap audio man or something like that? I used to follow that channel. Thanks for sharing your knoledge, i will suscribe to learn a little more. Greatings from Argentina!
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
Yes I did it was called the budget audiophile. I had it for two or three years and ended up letting it go because of some personal issues but I'm back. I really wanted this new channel to be more about music as opposed to gear, and I think I'm on that path. Anyway thanks for subscribing and I look forward to providing more good content.
@emarshallp
Жыл бұрын
@@Audiorevue great You are back on track. Wish You the Best!
@brydon10
Жыл бұрын
You sold the Q150 speakers then? Thanks.
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
yeah I sold the q150s, they were great however while I really liked their sound I never really loved it.
@brydon10
Жыл бұрын
@@Audiorevue Fair enough.
@JohnSmith-zl8rz
Жыл бұрын
Gjarrarhorn vs Cambridge AXA35?
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
Oh that's a hard to say, but I think it's best to make the distinction that one is an integrated amplifier with everything you need to hook up to a set of speakers and enjoy music and then another is simply a power amp which would require some sort of volume control to adequately use it properly. Barring those distinctions however my personal opinion would be for the Gjarrarhorn. If only because I find over time with Cambridge audio products that of all the different permutations they offer I can't help but get the feeling that the music ends up being sort of background music in a way, like forgettable. No I'm not saying that they're not enjoyable far from it in fact and I think in their given price ranges things like the AXA 35 are just probably within the top three of what you can get for the money. But I've had two of them and I can't help but get the feeling that oh it sounds good but the more and more I listen the more just average it sounds
@JohnSmith-zl8rz
Жыл бұрын
@@Audiorevue thank you!!!
@JohnSmith-zl8rz
Жыл бұрын
Why people buy two units? I don't get it! teach me!!!!!!!!!!
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
Well there was quite a bit online available about the benefits of running separate amplifiers for the left and right channels. The times I've ran monoblocks the beautiful thing about the situation is that since each channel is individually isolated with its own power supply you get much better separation and delineation between the channels then you would with having everything in a single box. Most stereo amplifiers I've heard there tends to be a smearing of information between the left and right channels such that some of that detail is lost because of that, whereas when you run an individual amp on each speaker you just don't get that at all. To be honest with you it's really something that's I think difficult to truly explain I would just tell you to experience it for yourself and that's the first thing I notice when I've had monoblocks or listened to them.
@JohnSmith-zl8rz
Жыл бұрын
@@Audiorevue thank you! again
@worfrozhenko4032
Жыл бұрын
Another shirtless wonder!
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
My shirtlessness while lessened of late, is in and of itself peerless and indicative of My flamboyant desire for unearned recognition. while your comment was made in jest the Truth is while I acknowledge my deepening depression related to my wanton sense of self-worth and ego being bolstered by scores of loyal fans, the fact is of course I retain no such acquaintances. and the realization of this being pointed out by yourself so evidently only makes to harken my melancholy.
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