There's an ice-cream van that keeps parking up outside my house and next time it appears, I'm giving leaflets out!
@michaelgrimm2121
3 жыл бұрын
You're sick in your head.
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelgrimm2121, because?
@captainawesome3544
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWorldTeacher Probably some childhood trauma
@FreakHarryPotter
3 жыл бұрын
@@captainawesome3544 nope, not at all. I just care a lot for the animals.
@pawlet
3 жыл бұрын
I've been vegan for 3 years. No one else in my family has made the connection. Thanks for your videos.
@Silzaress
3 жыл бұрын
Vegan for 4 years. Rest is the same. I can relate.
@MrJavacash
3 жыл бұрын
Your family is smart. You're not
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJavacash please explain?
@dodumichalcevski
3 жыл бұрын
@@tobygosling1653 he is a troll 🤦
@morningglory.213
3 жыл бұрын
I’m just started to being vegan and like my family and everyone around me isn’t so they like judging and forcing me- Also I’m kinda afraid to tell my friends about this as they will definitely say “oh so now ur one of the vegans haha” - 🤧😬
@jenerlee
3 жыл бұрын
It would be one thing for a non vegan to be at a vegan sanctuary, open to learning, quite another thing if they are talking openly about eating corpse bits. Thank you for speaking up for the animals. I would do the same. 💚🙏
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
in all seriousness, why do you think of openly talking about meat consumption as if it is something illegal and unacceptable by the vast majority of people? I think you are thereby just being dishonest with yourself creating the illusion of living in a different world.
@YassmineWantsPeace
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a bit cruel. Last summer I fed some ducks by the water and some women passed by and one said: "mmh delicious. I bet that duck would be so delicious if I put it in the oven..." bla bla bla...I ignored it, because I couldn't have said something to this kind of person. And I just looked to my partner so upset. I nearly cried. That's so sad! I know that I missed a opportunity to plant a seed in her heart, but I was so so angry, upset and sad in my heart. I could have spoken calmly and she would be very offensive and would continues to make fun about eating that beautiful duck 😔
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
@@YassmineWantsPeace I'm not sure if you're aware of how hilarious your story, just like Brian's, looks. normal people, so non-vegans, don't walk around all day staring at which animal to eat. these may be good vegan bedtime stories but have no support in reality.
@YassmineWantsPeace
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. I SWEAR this happened. I'm a religious person and I would never lie. omg why would I 😂
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
@@YassmineWantsPeace oh my gawd! religious person aaand vegan!! the next thing that you will probably tell me is that one day you fed the ducks and ... well you said that already. you're the only person I know capable of being sad and angry at the same time. it's absobloodylutely impossible!! it’s the same as saying steak and cherry cake. It just doesn't work together.
@lenakunzx
7 ай бұрын
I‘m in France Right now. This place will have an Identity crisis soon … it’s horrible How their Identity is connected to rotten milk
@legohandsliz
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if there’s a “right” response. But it does confuse me that someone would not be able to sense that talking about eating animals of the same species as your beloved one right there in front her is not an offensive statement. Seems like there’s a lack of awareness somewhere in her mind. It’s okay for her to say it because it’s different chickens, not Jackie? Hurts my brain a little.
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
well, It offended me that you think her mind is devoid of awareness since I am of the same species as her. I'm curious as to what you'll do in this situation. please, try to stay consistent.
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
crickets...
@jenstekhaus2758
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. And you are so right. We should use every chance. While an ultramarathon a female runner told me that my facebook has to much aggressive animal rights content. We discussed about veganism for the next hours. 6 months later I got a message from her that she is vegetarin, today she is vegan. And her family is on the way.
@religion-free
7 ай бұрын
YeaY ! what's up with all these "ex-Vegans" though, all The more disappointing since they know !!
@JohnMcAfee-se9ms
5 ай бұрын
@@religion-freeThey get sick because human beings were not vegan for 500,000 years.
@lobomeister
3 жыл бұрын
I happened to meet a very similar type of person this weekend. A guy who goes to AV cubes (I had seen him before) and keeps chatting with outreachers, while not budging one bit when it comes to "his steak". Finally he got to me and when I spoke with him, and after we spoke for half an hour and he had told me about his steak, I just asked him outright: are you a psychopath? And he said yes. Well, that explains it all, doesnt it? Some people are simply born without affective empathy. It is very hard to understand these people's behavior if you don't get this, but it is easy to understand if you accept that some people have 0 feeling for others, let alone animals.
@tasinbaneir4231
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, vegan gains is calling out a vid you 2 did about 3 years ago. It's currently on his livestream. I don't know if he'll leave it up. He might just edit this response into its own video. But you should check it out. Seems to be the current talk of the vegan movement.
@andreabarbozaramirez
3 жыл бұрын
what video?
@ronaldwong6092
2 жыл бұрын
Do Vegan Sanctuary put boys and girls together or let a animal die of old age ?.
@emilytreads
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Brian, for the suggestion of what not to do with the stickers. I will be sure to keep that in mind when I visit your Etsy store and not do that. 😉
@kennyfinger8306
Жыл бұрын
Good message, thanks. There’s a book called “A Manual For Creating Atheists” by Peter Boghossian that describes basically the same techniques that you’re talking about. Seems to me that the concepts in the book could be applied to any “street activism” situation, including conversations about veganism. Check it out if you haven’t already. Take care!
@distermaer
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian and Anna, do you still feed raw meat to your cats or have you changed your position on that?
@80slimshadys
3 жыл бұрын
Vegan Gains: ''You're not f****** vegan''
@distermaer
3 жыл бұрын
@@80slimshadys Killing hundreds of animals to feed one is not vegan no, regardless of the way you try to spin it.
@minuatri2565
3 жыл бұрын
Mic the vegan has a video on that he suggests asking restaurants for meat lefovers i think its such a great idea
@GnosisDharma
3 жыл бұрын
@@distermaer it's not really vegan either to kill your pets.
@distermaer
3 жыл бұрын
@@GnosisDharma It's proven beyond any doubt that cats can have healthy long lives on a plant based diet, so your point is mute.
@madeleine363
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. When people go to those type of sanctuaries/retreats/conferences, they should understand that they are attending a place that is geared towards a way of life or beliefs. If they go against those beliefs they should not be openly talking against them.
@TurtleNugget
3 жыл бұрын
I love you two so much that I'm even happy I see ads. I'm like yess! Get that coin!
@ONeill01
3 жыл бұрын
5:41 Oh god I'm so sorry to hear that, I can only imagine the horror on your face when hearing those words, especially in the context of what literally nearly happen to Jackie and she is there holding her!
@andreamassignani9152
3 жыл бұрын
"the more we talk about veganism the more veganism becomes socially accepted and the norm".....I've often been a doormat vegan, that doesn't help much the animals....thanks for the inspiration!
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
I always use change the victim when talking to no-vegans, thanks you for that gem
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
what are the best places to look for no-vegans? I didn't even know they existed.
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. everywhere
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
everywhere is already taken up by non-vegans. you're just making it up, aren't you?
@derbykirby3627
3 жыл бұрын
It will be a false equivalence fallacy. When you say “what about slavery?”, you are comparing an outdated social issue to the consumption and utilization of animals. “What about dogs or cats?” Animals are resources for our consumption and utilization but not necessarily both. If an animal is more suitable for consumption, it will be consumed, otherwise it will be utilized in education, entertainment, services, industries, science, and medicine.
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. you are making stuff up
@LouisGedo
3 жыл бұрын
Three thoughts came to mind when watching this well delivered commentary video: 1. I see no good reason to necessarily accept any particular position someone else holds 2. I think we ought to accept other people as deserving respect of their bodily autonomy and sovereignty in spite of the fact that they may hold reprehensible views / positions 3. I've never seen a good argument in favor of the position that it is a moral obligation for people to speak out against an injustice. Is it morally virtuous to do so? Absolutely, yes.
@adamsmith307
3 жыл бұрын
True virtue is not conscious of itself as virtue
@LouisGedo
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamsmith307 Virtuous nor virtue is not conscious, period.......virtuous is a description of an attribute and virtue is a description of a behavior. Neither an attribute nor a behavior can be aware or conscious. A functioning conscious organism can be
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
@@LouisGedo MORALITY is concerned with how any particular act conforms to or contradicts the law. Moral acts are beneficial to oneself, to others and/or beneficial to the ecosystem, amoral actions (for the purpose of this teaching) are actions which are neither against the law nor directly benefit society (in other words, neutral acts), whilst immoral deeds are in defiance of the law (that is, premeditated actions which are intended to cause harm to individuals [including oneself], to society as a whole, or to the environment, the latter of which includes other living creatures). “Act” may include “acts” of omission. If one has the ability and the opportunity of assisting a fellow human in dire need, one ought to do so.
@LouisGedo
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWorldTeacher No one I've ever come across before believes such a thing because it isn't sensible. In fact, just the opposite is almost always the case; laws tend to follow what law makers think is moral (good and bad behavior).
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
@@LouisGedo, good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉
@paolarosichetti899
3 жыл бұрын
You are the Jehowa Witnesses of food choices.
@lylechaffee6071
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t even explain how much you two inspire me ❤️ thanks for all that you do
@ZeroRespectForMagaZero
3 жыл бұрын
From a recent study; A total of 1325 questionnaires were complete enough for inclusion. The only exclusion criterion was failure to answer all questions. Most cats, 65% (667/1026), represented in the survey were fed a meat-based diet and 18.2% (187/1026) were fed a plant-based diet, with the rest fed either a combination of plant-based with meat-based (69/1026, 6.7%) or indeterminable (103/1026, 10%). Cat age ranged from 4 months to 23 years, with a median of 7 years, and was not associated with diet type. No differences in reported lifespan were detected between diet types. Fewer cats fed plant-based diets reported to have gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders. Cats fed plant-based diets were reported to have more ideal body condition scores than cats fed a meat-based diet. More owners of cats fed plant-based diets reported their cat to be in very good health.
@annetteslife
3 жыл бұрын
I am not a vegan but I do respect vegans and even though I am not vegan but I don't condone animals for the purpose of entertainment and do not condone puppy and kitty mills and have drastically cut back on my consumption of meat! I have friends who are vegans as well
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
So don’t use them in entertainment and don’t overbreed, but it’s ok to kill them when it is totally unnecessary?
@annetteslife
3 жыл бұрын
@@joemontgomery860 I don't use them in entertainment! Do you always come across like a prick?
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
@@annetteslife did you even read what I said? Seems you were immediately triggered because I clearly said “so DON’T use them...” The fact remains that you are against animal cruelty in some cases but not if it satisfies a selfish need for “taste.” Right? Just clarifying and “prick”? Really? Is that what you find a need to resort to? 🙄
@annetteslife
3 жыл бұрын
@@joemontgomery860 what makes you think I kill animals? That is what you had said! I own two cats and I am if I am killing animals then I would have my cats taken away from me permanently! Do not go and say that those who are not vegan kill because most of us don't! You vegans all lie, some of us who are not vegan do love animals! You are not coming after me anymore!
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
@@annetteslife if you are not vegan, it means you are paying someone to kill animals for you to eat, you are paying someone to enslave animals, you are paying for someone to take animal babies away from their mothers, you are paying someone to abuse animals. You cannot “love animals” and not be vegan. You are simply a cat lover or a dog lover but NOT an “animal lover.” Vegans do not eat animals nor their secretions.
@sosa7152
3 жыл бұрын
Your channel name suits you
@bevllewellyn8799
3 жыл бұрын
Just the opening has be hooked 😂😂😂 👏 👏
@efortunywhitton
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent points as-always!!
@Combinationlock
3 жыл бұрын
So people need to get professional help to deal with the feelings of grief, confusion and hopelessness when they decide to become vegan. Sounds like a great life choice.
@Entyce914
3 жыл бұрын
It depends on the person. Not everyone goes through this. Try visiting a slaughter house or, a sanctuary where animals have been rescued from animal abusers and look into their eyes. It certainly touches you in a deep way. Being vegan and faced with grief is a lot more moral and ethical than needlessly being responsible for slitting the throats of innocent animals.
@Combinationlock
3 жыл бұрын
@@Entyce914 yes it does depend on the person 👍
@waeulbr
3 жыл бұрын
Starts at 3:20
@morningglory.213
3 жыл бұрын
It made me proud of my new lifestyle choices 🥺✨
@samwingender
3 жыл бұрын
You two are awesome!
@StefaniaYoga
3 жыл бұрын
Agree with you guys 🌱✨ Anna, I felt you at the beginning of the video...I would have had the same reaction (tears included)...you might be an HSP (highly sensitive person) like many introverts (me included) 💖
@charathcutestory
3 жыл бұрын
maybe the non-vegan that you rejected was ALSO a high sensitive person❣️ Maybe the morals of not being accepted, and being judged were too harsh for HER🤟🏽😭❤️
@jesseg.1900
3 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was young in Mexico we would get hungry and my mom would go and grab a chicken by the neck and spin it around.. Biggest difference from growing up in a privilege home compared to a poor home is that kind of ideology. Privileged people never experience that kind of life always live in a bubble feeling scared and almost brought to tears over a clap...
@kasketbase8741
3 жыл бұрын
But would you view a vegetarian differently from a meat eater? Would they bother you less? I would love to hear what you two would say. What if you meet someone like the woman you mentioned (5 min into the video) except they were just vegetarian and didn't eat meat but did consume egg/dairy products? Lot of people think there's either vegans or meat eaters and forget that vegetarians exist.
@robsengahay5614
2 жыл бұрын
If you are vegetarian for the animals then you really need to do some research. I was vegetarian for nearly 2 years then I really started learning about the dairy and egg industries. Also animal testing, fur, wool etc. Definitely should have conversations with vegetarians to find out why they are vegetarian and not vegan.
@-FourthInquisitor
2 жыл бұрын
Man you guys are so inspiring actual Vegans unlike that Vegan teacher who goes around hurting people saying things which does not makes sense
@taka1taka
3 жыл бұрын
B12 deficiency manifests itself right in the beginning of this video
@simonwinstanley1105
2 жыл бұрын
More patience than I would have shown 😁
@asmileywanderer
3 жыл бұрын
Just because there are idiots doesn’t mean you are more human than meat eaters or that you actually have a right to pressure someone to change their life even if they don’t want to. No one should be pressured to doing anything or being anything whether they are vegan or meat eater. Also guys, unemployment... if she can’t find a job elsewhere is she supposed to just starve and die? What about the people who employed her in the shelter in the first place maybe they don’t mind because they clearly understand that we are all human no better or worse than each other and equal in our flaws and virtues. That was a very one sided answer and full of allegations to non equality.
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
How was anyone “pressured”? How did they imply they were “more human”? More humane, did you mean? In this, yes they are.
@DavesArtRoom
3 жыл бұрын
The thing where you brought up the holding of a puppy or a baby, is so overlooked, by me as well, when I was not vegan. I am vegan, and have been for the last almost 4 years. But it is important to me that you mentioned the baby, because in my opinion, this also translates to abortion of a human fetus which is a life, but many people ignore that fact, and justify killing humans, just like we and I justified killing animals for most of my life. A life is a life is a life.
@GnosisDharma
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I understand your view but I think personally it is important to consider what kind of life the parents can offer to a child. If parents with no funds is supposed to take care of that human or are not responsible parents or lack love of that human, that unborn human very likely have a hard life full of pain. For me personally quality of life is more important then life itself. I don't want anyone to suffer and because of that reason is for eutanasi for example. Abortion is a horrible experience and it's a hard decision for a mother to take that decision and because of that we should ask ourselves (society) how we further could do to limit as much as possible unwanted pregnancies and if there should be more help offered to people who decides to keep their unborn children. Because that is an issue, in a lot of places where they try to outlaw abortion they don't really offer any help to parents who feel that they can't take care of their offspring.
@GarudaLegends
3 жыл бұрын
I would eat a puppy, but not a human baby. I am against abortion the moment of conception. Dont compare a hellhound to a human.
@dodumichalcevski
3 жыл бұрын
Nobody has the right to use someone elses body without their consent thats why I am vegan and pro choice
@robsengahay5614
2 жыл бұрын
The important distinction here is sentience. A foetus isn’t sentient. The world does not need more unwanted humans.
@mintx1720
Жыл бұрын
If animals shouldn't be killed because they supposedly don't want to be killed, what about depressed humans, who maybe want to be killed?
@straightedgeveganbel2453
3 жыл бұрын
Both of you, hair looks great 👍
@Denkono
3 жыл бұрын
Her polite callous excuses would be interesting to behold in front or inside a slaughterhouse.
@emi6099
3 жыл бұрын
You guys are so cute and such an inspiration to me as a Vegan
@taylorrestall6717
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I need to ry this more for friends and family! Socratic method :)
@charathcutestory
3 жыл бұрын
it’s not a Socratic method to start off with a position; Socrates famously claimed NOT to know all the answers. Even a non-vegan at a vegan event was unaccepted by Brian and Ana 🤷🏽♂️
@LouisGedo
3 жыл бұрын
I love your bangs Ana
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
you love whaaat?
@LouisGedo
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. Bangs......the hair over the forehead
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
well, okay, I kinda understand that part. but why does a man of your age like bangs? @@LouisGedo
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. you sound strange
@GarudaLegends
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. bangs are hot, and she rocks it well. Why are you against men who likes bangs?
@luciemunson
Жыл бұрын
Man you're patient 😂😂😂
@desmomotodesmomoto2033
3 жыл бұрын
Cry over a loud noise, hormonal problems.
@tspicks4360
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. But ... :) ... it is hard sometimes, can't always push too hard. I was staying with my brother and his wife recently, while I had a medical procedure, and they were wonderful, transporting me, feeding me (vegan food, of course, I'd never eat it otherwise) ... but my sister in law in particular is in an odd kind of denial about veganism - their (now grown) daughter is vegan, and has been for many years, they keep guinea pigs, tend to be socially conscious ... But, she comments from time to time that she might be vegan except that animals are "So delicious!" Yikes! She has the usual defense mechanisms in place, and has years of practice ingraining them, what with the vegan daughter and all. So in that situation, I couldn't push it too much - when the walls went up, I just had to back off, not that I was being very assertive at all to begin with. (I wasn't intentionally bringing up veganism, at that, it just kind of came up a few times.) Family is kind of a different negotiation than people less close, I think.
@helenalegato8648
3 жыл бұрын
Ew, how is it delicious? The smell of charred flesh makes me literally vomit. Processed cows milk smells sour. That reaction of hers, has to be conditioning. Even before you get to the ethics, it's SO gross. I understand people ate such things 500 years ago under survival conditions. But actually wanting to, for fun, is so strange. It's like the Donner party... They cannibalized each other because they were all dying from starvation, but who would find that *appetizing* and think "yum, the carved up rotting flesh of my deceased neighbor. Let me put that in my mouth and swallow it"?? If I tried to eat meat or dairy, I would gag...gross!!! I've been vegan for 24 years, so I've gotten over my conditioning. I bet someday you will too. 😁
@tspicks4360
3 жыл бұрын
@@helenalegato8648 Yeah, I've definitely been over the "meat goggles" conditioning for some time now (8 years vegan) - the sight and smell of animal flesh makes me cringe, just all greasy and heavy, and reeking of death ... woof, get it away from me! I sometimes hear people say, "Oh you must be so disciplined," (to be vegan), but it's got nothing to do with discipline, I'm grossed out by the thought of consuming animals, and all that's behind it. I did eat animals for decades, so I understand what that's about, but it's such a narrow view to say, "Oh but they're delicious, how can I not eat them?" For one thing, our tastes are not fixed in place, they can and do change - the well known concept of "acquired taste" is testament to that. And the denial of or blindness to the "personhood" of the animals being eaten is callous to say the least. That basically good people can be that way certainly speaks to the societal conditioning so prevalent all around us. It's a big hill to climb. One foot in front of the other!
@sophieh.2986
3 жыл бұрын
I really hope that someday society transitions into veganism.
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
the same was said for communism. we know how it ended.
@Assassin99584
3 жыл бұрын
Never going to happen
@davidthescottishvegan
3 жыл бұрын
@@Assassin99584 This is the first time I actually agree with your comments because there's too many people who enjoy eating animal products and don't want to change and I know people like that.
@Assassin99584
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidthescottishvegan and there’s nothing wrong with that
@govegannotfeegan4854
3 жыл бұрын
too many feegans for that to ever happen
@elCamaradaR
6 ай бұрын
I made the connection without a preacher. why someone else cannot make the connection in the same way?
@MrTrevisco
3 жыл бұрын
I can talk to corpse consumers about their bad habits but can never accept what they do.
@Assassin99584
3 жыл бұрын
I can talk to cult vegans but can never accept the cult
@MrTrevisco
3 жыл бұрын
@@Assassin99584 cult is religion and idolising, vegan is nothing to do with that, it Is not belief, it is the fact of not harming or killing intentionally.
@govegannotfeegan4854
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrTrevisco you need to stop been feegan and actually go vegan to do that
@captainawesome3544
3 жыл бұрын
Corpse consumers ??? Do you mean normal people who are on a normal diet ?
@MrTrevisco
3 жыл бұрын
@@captainawesome3544 so strange! do you not know you pay for cruelty, abuse and violent death, to innocent beings just for a selfish taste pleasure that you do not even need?
@indef2def
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that woman doesn't sound like a normal carnist. She sounds like a clinical narcissist, needing to be the special one, loved by vegans despite not having to live by the same ethical rules.
@mariaengelbrecht5439
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video and sharing your experience. I would like to say that I'm losing empathy for humans who have been informed about all the endless suffering of animals at the hands of humans and still choose to continue to contribute to their suffering. Recently, I spoke to several people about the importance of going vegan. I must say, I heard the dumbest replies, like "then they should not be bread, you are not going to make me vegan, humans just have the power to do so, happily telling me they had a buck for Christmas when a few weeks before telling me how much they liked the vegan chocolate I had given to them. Weak people with hardly any empathy. God, they make me sick...
@pawlet
3 жыл бұрын
Quarantine skills. 😂 What is it called when one is sick and separates themselves out of concern for others catching their illness? Quarantine What is it called when your govt tells you to stay home and isolate yourself? Tyranny. So, the skills that you learned ( like cutting your cute bangs) are the skills you learned during this tyrannical act of government. Just cleaning that up. Thank you. Who's cutting Brian's hair? Looks really good.
@gudboi_ofthestars
3 жыл бұрын
Tyranny?
@pawlet
3 жыл бұрын
@@gudboi_ofthestars you are 100% correct. So many people learned new skills during the tyrannical lockdown.
@gudboi_ofthestars
3 жыл бұрын
@@pawlet what. I said “tyranny?” With a question mark. What am I right about?
@hollymarie5968
3 жыл бұрын
I know it's not the point, but I feel like, vegan or not, it takes a serious lack of self-awareness to be HOLDING SOMEONE'S CHICKEN WHOM THEY LOVE AND HAVE RAISED and be like "yeah I like to eat chickens"
@libbyneefe1075
3 жыл бұрын
How do you handle people that aren’t bothered by cultures that eat dogs?
@ThoseAnnoyingVegans
3 жыл бұрын
One doesn’t have to be “bothered” by something in order for it to be ethically wrong. If a person is OK with non-human abuse, but not OK with human abuse, that is simply discrimination based on species, which is just as arbitrary as discrimination based on gender (for example). The fact that the oppressor “doesn’t care” about the victim doesn’t make the act ethical.
@GarudaLegends
3 жыл бұрын
All you will do is make it acceptable globally to eat dogs.
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThoseAnnoyingVegans Brian, your assertion (in tonight's live debate with Justus) that morality is subjective, is itself SUBJECTIVE. Read and learn: 12. LAW, MORALITY, & ETHICS: The three terms - law, morality, and ethics - are fundamentally synonymous, since “breaking the law” implies the execution of an act which is both immoral and unethical. First of all, it is absolutely imperative to distinguish between “laws” and “rules”. Laws are divided into NATURAL laws (such as the law of gravity and the various cycles of the biosphere), as well as the MORAL laws, which are based on the principle of non-harm (such as the prohibition of murder and adultery). Societal rules, on the other hand, are merely man-made edicts, such as the regulation of business practices or the convention of driving motor vehicles on one particular side of the road. Unfortunately, very few persons are able to differentiate the inextricable laws of morality, from the mundane rules and regulations imposed by self-obsessed legislators. Therefore, this chapter of “F.I.S.H” will attempt to logically explicate moral law, as opposed to the various laws of physics. Whilst cosmological laws may transmogrify over aeons, metaethics essentially remain constant within all human societies throughout time. When either kind of law is transgressed, there is a detrimental effect on the ENTIRE universe. Therefore, even when a seemingly-innocuous act occurs (such as disposing of plastic products in a rubbish dump, thereby breaking the natural law), the universe is degraded to a certain degree. When a person is robbed of his property, not only is the victim’s life adversely affected, but now, all people need to be more vigilant. Thus, the universe as a whole is marginally degraded, just as a single cancerous cell degrades one's entire body, even if to a minuscule extent. MORALITY is concerned with how any particular act conforms to or contradicts the law. Moral acts are beneficial to oneself, to others and/or beneficial to the ecosystem, amoral actions (for the purpose of this teaching) are actions which are neither against the law nor directly benefit society (in other words, neutral acts), whilst immoral deeds are in defiance of the law (that is, premeditated actions which are intended to cause harm to individuals [including oneself], to society as a whole, or to the environment, the latter of which includes other living creatures). “Act” may include “acts” of omission. If one has the ability and the opportunity of assisting a fellow human in dire need, one ought to do so. There is but one problem regarding moral law, and that is, discerning which person or persons are competent to judge whether a particular act is beneficial, neutral or harmful, and if it is deemed to be harmful, what should be the penalty for the unethical/unlawful/immoral act, if any. Judging the actions of others is a normal, natural, and necessary function of every thinking person. However, one may PASS judgement solely on those over whom one has direct or indirect authority. One should avoid passing judgement on those over whom one has no authority, but remain silent, even if that judgment is objectively true, because it is not the place of a subordinate to judge the actions of his or her superiors. So, for example, a businessman should judge the actions of his subordinates, whether they be his wife/wives, his children, employees, and any younger kin (such as nieces, nephews, brothers, sisters, etc.). None of that businessman's subordinates has the right to adjudicate his actions - that is the role of his own masters (that is, his father, grandfather, elder brothers, uncles, priest/guru/imam/rabbi, etc). Judging/misjudging one's superiors is one of the most common sins in this wicked world - just think of the time when you last MISJUDGED one of your superiors! The ULTIMATE arbiter of any action is the current World Teacher or an Avatar. At any given time, there is one particular man, belonging to the Holy Priesthood, who has attained the highest-possible level of wisdom and understanding of life, and therefore, has the greatest moral authority on earth. The current World Teacher is the author of this Holy Scripture, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. Obviously, it is not practical for the World Teacher or a Divine Incarnation (“Avatāra”, in Sanskrit) to adjudicate each and every criminal case in the world. Fortunately, there is established a natural system of justice to perform this function, as explained elsewhere in this chapter. As concisely explained in the previous chapter, humans do not possess individual free-will. However, that does not necessarily imply that there is no optimal way of living. There is, in fact, an ideal way for humans to behave in every situation, even if it was ordained that we each behave according to destiny, and therefore, imperfectly. Morality is indeed OBJECTIVE, that is to say, independent of the subjective whims or opinions of any particular person. In order for even the smallest society to function smoothly, a moral benchmark must be chosen and adhered to. Having understood that the basis of law/morality/ethics is the concept of non-harm (“ahiṃsā”, in Sanskrit), it is obvious that there is no need to invoke any religious or supernatural belief system in order to establish law in society. There are examples of secular societies which have survived relatively peacefully over many centuries, without the imposition of a monotheistic system of law/morality/ethics. If an act is harmful to any person, animal or plant (or even inorganic matter, in the case of environmental degradation), then it is immoral, and contravenes the one and only law of the universe. In other words, it is against YOUR law, since you are, fundamentally, All There Is (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit). Read previous chapters of “F.I.S.H” to learn the true nature of Reality, and how you are that Absolute Reality (“tat tvam asi”, in Sanskrit). It can be argued that even miscreants want to live a perfectly blameless life. “No man chooses evil because it is evil; he only mistakes it for happiness.” Immoral/criminal acts are entirely due to a false understanding of oneself and a misunderstanding of what constitutes true peace/happiness. A fully-enlightened saint will never DELIBERATELY cause harm to himself or to others because he knows that his continuing peace of mind depends on him choosing the most beneficial course of action. He will not commit such a detestable action as rape, because he understands that it will disturb his blissful state of existence and hurt another human being, as well as the victim’s loved-ones. It will also harm society, because if he commits sexual assault, every woman in his community will need to take precautions against possible attack. So, THEORETICALLY, homosexuals themselves fully agree that homosexual offenders ought to be put to death for their crime, because, if not, their perverse behaviour will contribute to the destruction of society, which is built on the family unit, which in turn is based on sexual complementarity (i.e. heterosexuality). Like every person who ever lived, homosexuals desire, more than anything, genuine peace and happiness, which can never be achieved by unnatural sexual acts and attachments. Some (if not most) persons would counter thus: “But there will always be heterosexual couples who will reproduce, so why not leave homosexuals be?”. That is similar to stating “But if only twenty per cent of the population is murdered, there will still be eighty per cent of society remaining”. Crime left unpunished is the beginning of the end of civilization, as can be very clearly seen in the present age, particularly in those nations governed by non-monarchical (so-called) “leaders”. So, in summary, you do not want to transgress your OWN laws, knowing that if you do so, you may become afflicted with guilt, and individuals or society will be harmed. Unfortunately, many persons (demons) are unconcerned about how their actions affect others, or even themselves. It is not unheard of for a murderer, for instance, to recognize his deed to be unjust, and to concede that he ought to be hanged to death for his crime, or even commit suicide in order to avoid the need for a hangman. Primatologists have observed simple moral behaviour in great apes. There are some otherwise highly-enlightened spiritual teachers who erroneously believe that the solution to discerning proper morality and living a completely ethical life, is for each individual person to raise themselves to the teacher's own high-level of consciousness, so that they will AUTOMATICALLY behave in a loving manner in each situation, without the requirement of a moral code. E.g. “Love, and do what you will”. Obviously, no two persons who ever lived could possibly agree on EVERY moral infraction and what should be the exact form of punishment (if any) for each and every moral transgression. Not even the two most holy and righteous persons on earth at any given time would fully agree on what constitutes a criminal/unethical act, and even if they were to agree, they may not agree on what ought to be the penalty for each and every crime. And even if they do agree on all those details, what of the billions of miscreants who are far below their exalted level? Should a government freely allow its citizens to behave according to their whims, in the vain hope that they will one day reach spiritual perfection? That is akin to anarchy. This alone should demonstrate that subjective moral systems are impractical, unfair and unwise, as they are capricious. Cont...
@TheWorldTeacher
3 жыл бұрын
For most of human history, there were no POLICE to enforce the law, because, until rather recently, most persons resided in rural areas, where crime was relatively scarce, and because ancient societies were self-policing. If a child committed a crime, rather than being carted-off to Children’s Court by a member of the local police department, his or her mother would administer any necessary punishment. If the mother had broken the law, then the master of the house would discipline her. If the husband were to commit an offensive act, his father or employer would take punitive measures, and so on. Just see how much infrastructure modern societies require in order to perform the duties previously performed by all its collective citizenry! A massive police force would be practically superfluous in even a decent monarchy, what to mention under a holy and righteous king. When a nation is established on righteous principles (“dharma”, in Sanskrit), the requirement of even a small police force would be highly-questionable, because it would be ensured that every single citizen received proper training in dharma/dhamma. Even though law-breakers ought to be judged and punished by their respective superiors, there are instances where a court of law may be necessary to judge COMPLEX cases. For example, a wife may have murdered her master after several decades of regular marital abuse, so it requires an unusually wise man to judge her particular case. The most qualified person to be that judge is a member of the Holy Priesthood (see Chapter 20), especially if the priest is a Prophet or Avatar (a World Teacher or an incarnation of Divinity in human form). Obviously, a large proportion of society would oppose the idea of a holy man judging accused criminals, but as mentioned elsewhere in this Holy Scripture, it is irrelevant what the ignorant masses desire. A holy and righteous ruler will obey the principles of dharma, not the subjective sentiments of his citizenry. Personally, if I were taken to court to be judged by a third-party, I would hope that he was an unusually wise, holy and intelligent person, rather than a corrupt servant of the state. What say ye? Wouldn’t you agree? Or would prefer to be judged by a full-time sinner? Apart from the moral laws, there are also ETHICAL rules which can be modified or broken depending on the circumstances involved. The term “ethics” is normally given to actions or policies which are not overtly harmful to society or the ecosystem, yet pose a certain moral dilemma. For instance, the use of stem cells or of genetic manipulation has the capability to enhance human reproductive outcomes, yet conversely, may cause the human race to gradually evolve into a species which possesses artificial traits, unable to withstand various attacks from nature. It is beyond the purview of this Holy Scripture to list EVERY possible immoral act and its appropriate punishment, but because this treatise was composed during a particularly dark period in human history (“Kali Yuga”, in Vedic terminology), it is pertinent to mention a few, because some of these crimes are considered not to be immoral at all in the estimation of a huge percentage of the population. The term “criminal” is synonymous with “immoral”, “sinful”, and “unlawful”, that is, any act which causes undue harm to oneself, other beings, or the environment. Some crimes which deserve CAPITAL punishment in most (if not all) cases are: adultery, fornication (unless the couple were both virgins beforehand, and decide to marry as soon as practical), persecuting and/or grossly-offending a member of the two higher-classes of society (that is a member of the priesthood or a monarch), premeditated murder (which includes deaths as a result of war waged by illegitimate governments), grievous assault, high treason, homosexual acts (except within polygamous marriage), and rape (including bestiality). Crimes which warrant CORPORAL punishment (which is normally limited to imprisonment, revocation of certain privileges, or a penitential activity such as writing lines or performing chores, since physical lashing is rarely necessary) include: theft, kidnapping, false imprisonment, deception, blackmail, extortion, bribery, fraud, forgery, false accusation, insubordination (disobeying or insulting a superior), gambling, assault (including sexual molestation), vandalism, neglect of one's duties, entrapment, sabotage, obstruction of human rights, obscenities such as wilful public exposure and pornography, reckless operation of a motorized vehicle, animal cruelty (unless the defendant is literally starving and needs to eat an animal to stay alive) and, of course, killing another human (Euthanasia and suicide can be legitimate in certain cases. Abortion is legitimate in the case of rape, or if the health of the mother would be endangered to a serious degree if the pregnancy were to continue). Of course, when a law-breaker (i.e. criminal/sinner/miscreant) is punished, related persons may also be harmed in some way. For example, the life of a human being is destroyed when a raped woman chooses to abort her child, but the suffering endured by the raped woman may be so great that an abortion is justified. If she is forced to give birth to the baby, she may hold deep-seated resentment towards her offspring and neglect or abuse the child, which would cause serious emotional and/or bodily distress to him or her. Therefore, it is imperative that complex cases be ADJUDICATED by an appropriate authority, as previously explained. N.B. Only persons over the age of reason can be morally-culpable. This chapter of “F.I.S.H” is a tour de force of sheer truth and logic, and the truth shall always conquer (“satyam-eva jayate”, in Sanskrit)! “Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.” Michael Ellner, American Author. “Should one find a man who points out faults and who reproves, let him follow such a wise and sagacious person as one would a guide to hidden treasure. It is always better, and never worse, to cultivate such an association.” Siddhārtha Gautama (AKA Lord Śri Buddha), Dhammapada 76.
@_Razo
3 жыл бұрын
You guys are such a cute couple
@charathcutestory
3 жыл бұрын
yes❣️ they so are🥺🥺🤟🏽 i respect their stance, but wish they could be accepting like the other vegans at the festival. Judgment from a couple SO cute must sting😭🦂
@_Razo
3 жыл бұрын
@@charathcutestory yes
@thechurchofmeat6591
3 жыл бұрын
They would be even cuter if they ate some nutritious meat.
@dabay200
Жыл бұрын
Both of you are really nice people that have integrity. There are so many vegans that seem totally fine with living with meat eaters who constantly causing the murder of millions of innocent animals by stuffing their faces with animal genocide products - I just don't understand why any vegan would do that.
@BAMBAM-hw4vb
3 жыл бұрын
Yes just let us be. If you leave the normal meat eater alone they will leave you alone.
@amymya8942
3 жыл бұрын
Can you guy’s create an onlyfans page 😈
@michaelgrimm2121
3 жыл бұрын
Just a reminder... Attacking a vegan is not considered a hate crime. It's just a regular crime.
@johnshinski2994
2 жыл бұрын
Made it about 30 seconds in….had to stop…
@charathcutestory
3 жыл бұрын
She was just trying to connect to you though, she didn’t mean anything offensive. That’s why everyone else vegan there accepted her without judgment ❤️
@jenniferuller9852
3 жыл бұрын
The more I watch your videos the more courageous I feel to speak up for animals
@michaelgrimm2121
3 жыл бұрын
Meaning be condescending and self-righteous? I can't wait till you have a real problem in life.
I just want to say, that you're a perfect match. You understand and respect each other so well! Allah/God bless your relationship 😊
@YassmineWantsPeace
3 жыл бұрын
Last summer I fed some ducks by the water and some women passed by and one said: "mmh delicious. I bet that beautiful big duck would be so delicious if I put it in the oven..." bla bla bla...I ignored it, because I couldn't have said something to this kind of person. And I just looked to my partner so upset. I nearly cried. That's so sad! I know that I missed an opportunity to plant a seed in her heart, but I was so so angry, upset and sad in my heart. I could not have spoken calmly and she would be very offensive and would continues to make fun about eating that beautiful duck 😔
@Pyret-kw6cs
3 жыл бұрын
I would have asked her if i needed to call the psychologist xD
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
you've written this same comment - twice. the incident clearly left a huge impression on you.
@Pyret-kw6cs
3 жыл бұрын
@@brisfitz1595 I meant the woman who told them the wired stuff. while they where feeding the ducks.
@GarudaLegends
3 жыл бұрын
There are kids going hungry for centuries and yall care about a chicken, when the hungry kid would love to eat a chicken so their stomach does not hurt from being empty? 🤦 Thank you for letting me know where to get my crop feed meat from. Vegan sanctuary here i come.
@miah2541
3 жыл бұрын
Are you trying to make the video more interesting, that a clap at the beginning of the video scared you? Lol, alright. Anyways, I can assure you that meat eaters do not care if you accept them. You can eat your bowl of lentils and Brussel sprouts cooked 70 different ways and accept that the vast majority of the world is not vegan, no longer vegan, or never will be vegan. That's just how the world is.
@YassmineWantsPeace
3 жыл бұрын
Jacky is just the sweetest 💚
@derbykirby3627
3 жыл бұрын
Why should we consider animals as more than resources for our consumption and utilization when they are not part of our kind or society? All living creatures interact with the environment and have the will to live, why do all animals deserve this favoritism and unconditional protection?
@honestbob2217
3 жыл бұрын
By your logic you should use every human as a "resource "...what a childish comment
@derbykirby3627
3 жыл бұрын
@@honestbob2217 That is because you failed to read the part "they are not part of our kind or socity". Humans are social creatures so it's logical for us to stick together and prioritize our needs and interests and the interests of beneficial creatures to us. We are simply utilizing our environment to achieve those objectives and needs. Normalizing any crime against humanity will not help us achieve higher human needs of safety and belonging.
@honestbob2217
3 жыл бұрын
@@derbykirby3627 😂😂😂safety and belonging 😂😂I value my dig higher than you so that's that theory out the window.. we don't eat our friends ....
@derbykirby3627
3 жыл бұрын
@@honestbob2217 They are not your friends. Those are conditional protection when you create a bound or a social contract with some animals. I also don't care for depressed misanthrope vegans but I still need to interact with them in a civilized manner and you might be even questioned by the law if you don't help other people in accidents or critical needs depending on where you live.
@honestbob2217
3 жыл бұрын
@@derbykirby3627 er you think my dogs not my friend ,the dog that will risk his life for me ..😂😃
@KAIXN14
3 жыл бұрын
Well kind of no offense am a plant person here I wish I can be vegan but I can’t the only thing I have done to help the vegan community is getting a pet chicken I had to give it away There safe now💖🥺 you don’t need to be vegan if you don’t want to be you be whatever you want:)
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
True you don’t HAVE to be vegan. You would only HAVE to be vegan if you are against animal cruelty and give a hoot about anyone other than yourself. Js
@salamander8301
3 жыл бұрын
So who makes your t-shirts? Do you use slave labour to sell your products?
@Naomi-ni6ep
3 жыл бұрын
Should vegans feed their companion animals other animals when it is not necessary for them to survive? Nope. That shit ain't vegan. (context: these guys feed their cats raw meat).
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
@Naomi cats are obligate carnivores and dogs are not. Should all obligate carnivores like tigers be fed plants then? Obligate carnivores do need meat to survive and it’s a total b-tch to have to buy cats animal products, but according to The Vegan Society, we do have an obligation to also care for domesticated animals due to the irresponsible behavior of humans allowing and forcing breeding. Are you advocating to just throw cats outside to fend for themselves? Isn’t veganism about doing what is “possible and practicable”? Caring for cats that others have discarded and unfortunately have to feed them meat products seems to be doing what is “possible and practicable.” Imo. No one says vegans are perfect but they try to do as little harm as “possible and practicable,” right?
@gudboi_ofthestars
3 жыл бұрын
They are vegan cuz they care about animals They feed their cats meat cuz they care about animals You are a complete clown of a “human” being
@ZeroRespectForMagaZero
3 жыл бұрын
Have you looked at your position on feeding cats meat lately? Gains is wreaking you as we speak.
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
gains is a vegan cat food shill. his opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
@ZeroRespectForMagaZero
3 жыл бұрын
v a n e what about the matter itself? What’s your opinion?
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroRespectForMagaZero the category of obligate carnivores exists for a reason. cats are in it, not because there was no place in other categories, but, they belong there. his claim that one who feeds cats meat is not a vegan should have a more critical response in the vegan community. I think vegans themselves should exclude him from their community. no one needs wackos.
@ZeroRespectForMagaZero
3 жыл бұрын
v a n e do why should we not feed our cats vegan food if they can live a healthy life on that diet?
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroRespectForMagaZero I don't think you understand the concept of obligate carnivores. just because a cat doesn't fall dead right away doesn't mean you can feed it according to your twisted ethical principles all the time. in addition, heart disease and concomitant deficiencies, which cats have been shown to suffer when fed a vegan dietary pattern, do not develop during a single day or a week. but will definitely develop.
@user-no2mz9hl4f
3 жыл бұрын
Your uncompromising stance on veganism has helped me to feel more empowered in my own veganism. People often like to make humans out to be the victims, and once I get caught up in that line of thinking, it's harder to rationalise why veganism is the right thing to do and why it's okay to challenge others' non-vegan choices. You remind me that it's not about me or the non-vegans I encounter: it's about Jackie and Betty and the literally countless other animals who are the *true victims* in this whole scenario. There is nothing wrong with respectfully shining a light on that. If people feel defensive or uncomfortable, there's a reason for that: it's called a conscience.
@joeblowjo
3 жыл бұрын
Y'all are the cutest couple in the world
@frizzelfrazzel99
3 жыл бұрын
Wait was that sarcasm!?
@michaelgrimm2121
3 жыл бұрын
OMG... I kinda get the pig and cow thing, but I keep chickens. They're walking plants. Exploitation? You people are sick in the head.
@sophie9419
3 жыл бұрын
More like mini dinosaurs, really. Vicious, but fun to watch.
@michaelgrimm2121
3 жыл бұрын
@@sophie9419 Yea... Totally brutal. I had a rooster and it would always peck at my legs. I never thought anything of it because it didn't hurt, but I didn't think about how tall was son was. He pecked at his eyes. Cut the bridge of his nose open... So close to blinding him. I just locked him out of the coup and he got eaten that night by something. Bunch of feathers everywhere in the morning.
@sophie9419
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelgrimm2121 I've never kept roosters very long for this exact reason, they're just mean. But even hens (especially older ones) can be pretty brutal. I remember having silky that had to be separated because she nearly got pecked to death from her adopted chicks when they outgrew her.
@ah6519
3 жыл бұрын
And here are the counter arguments for anyone who is approached by vegans who want to convince them that veganism is the ONLY way one can have morality: - About why cows/pigs and not dogs: Humans have never really eaten other carnivores on a large scale. We don’t really eat canines or felines because they are much less protein dense compared to plant eating animals such as bovines. - About health: Digesting huge amounts of plants can also wreak havoc on the human digestive system. We don’t have 4 stomachs for example. We also don’t have a very long digestive tract so we must eat nutrient dense foods with some (albeit limited of course) saturated fat and cholesterol for optimal absorption. - Comparing the human experience of satience AND sapience with those of animals has absolutely no scientific basis. - About morality: Humans have a different development to other primates exactly because we DID come down out of the trees and start eating nutrient dense animal protein. Our brains got larger and our digestive tracts got smaller. This distinction has made our current society and civilization possible. Otherwise we’d just be mammals sitting in trees eating plants, with huge farting bellies and small brains.
@stewmeat92
3 жыл бұрын
We don't need ur acceptance or approval, only GOD'S acceptance and approval who made all meats and vegetables for humans to enjoy 🙏🏾 Ya u do realize chickens by nature are omnivores 🙂
@mariaelisabettacraveri2480
3 жыл бұрын
The lady was a serious case of cognitive dissonance.
@rider24ZA
3 жыл бұрын
Are you guys still paying for animal cruelty for your pets?
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
Dia dhuit!
@andrewcarvanas1754
3 жыл бұрын
It's not okay, that YOU try to guilt-trip non vegans. What you're doing is wrong.
@joemontgomery860
3 жыл бұрын
How do they “guilt trip” anyone? No one can make someone else “feel” something. If people feel “guilty,” isn’t it because they know they did something wrong or else they wouldn’t feel anything?
@dodumichalcevski
3 жыл бұрын
animal abusers deserve no less then shame
@robsengahay5614
2 жыл бұрын
Read the comments on here. The meateaters who post on these threads certainly feel no guilt or compassion. It is important to understand where your food is coming from so that we can all at least make an informed decision. I don’t know any meateaters that feel any guilt about their decision.
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
I think you should seek help. I'm worried about you. I have a right to be worried about you.
@nottodaytay5858
3 жыл бұрын
Bro do you have a life? I never thought I'd see your account again LMAO
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
I can't understand that concern for fellow humans is so weird and unaccepted by vegans.
@nottodaytay5858
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. Get a life
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
@@nottodaytay5858 nope, I'm not going to live up to your expectations. you're still envious of my way of life.
@Olivetree80
3 жыл бұрын
Lol 😂
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
Increased sensitivity to sounds is probably due to a vitamin A deficiency.
@simeoncarter3768
3 жыл бұрын
You have left multiple comments on a vid that came out minutes ago. It seems like you should seek help.
@v.a.n.e.
3 жыл бұрын
lame. try better.
@rupert909
3 жыл бұрын
Can you give me the evidence for this? So I can look into it
@nottodaytay5858
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. Bro you literally have no life and vegans get under your skin so bad you can't leave our pages alone like damn someone's feeling guilty and can't resolve said guilt so they spend all their time "trolling"...
@simeoncarter3768
3 жыл бұрын
@@v.a.n.e. Try what better exactly? Try to get you help better? I am not going to dox you or call the authorities on you. It's up to you to seek help. I'm not your mother.
@noobox9889
3 жыл бұрын
Mmmmm chicken
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
Really, come on you can think of something better then that can’t you or maybe not
@noobox9889
3 жыл бұрын
@@tobygosling1653 look a triggered weak vegan
@tobygosling1653
3 жыл бұрын
@@noobox9889 look a sick triggered animal abuser 🌱
@noobox9889
3 жыл бұрын
@@tobygosling1653 I'm not a animal abuser. Soo fuck off and get some protein
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