I wish fruity lil bro had this energy for destiny but ahhhhh well 🤷♀️
@marron5272
3 ай бұрын
You said that like Destiny couldn’t body him and Tommy combined intellectually
@TheycallmeNoid
3 ай бұрын
I’d say both sides had some strong points and I could frankly go either way. But Jesus Khuiman can be annoying as hell
@spanty7137
3 ай бұрын
Annoying because he gapped your idol in a debate
@dontron6992
3 ай бұрын
@@spanty7137 Counterpoint: Tommy lost, *AND* kuihman is still an insufferable sperg.
@marron5272
3 ай бұрын
Tommy literally couldn’t make a sensible justification of his use of the term fascist. What’s the strong argument there
@rise-my-angel
3 ай бұрын
Both of them have good points, neither of them are doing well at conveying them. But holy shit could Kuihman benefit from not sounding so condescending when saying it.
@g_ggle-sect.
3 ай бұрын
Brother I hate Tommy for being so loud and just generally obnoxious but Kuihman sounds like he's doing the whole "I'm just the perfectly reasonable one just trying to convey my points in a calm manner!" schtick. And when the whole debate is just the opponents just speaking over each-other constantly, they all lose...
@supershot9729
3 ай бұрын
I'll take being condescending if it means the other guy can actually talk lmao Tommy spent most of this yelling like an idiot
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
Never understand when ppl whine about someone sounding condescending. Makes it seem like you're thinskinned. Why is Tommy calling everybody a fascist? Literally what Breadtubers do
@davidlivermore6431
3 ай бұрын
Lots of Brits come off like this. No offense meant, but it's been my experience.
@spanty7137
3 ай бұрын
@@g_ggle-sect. you're biased against Kuihman for no reason, if he sounds condescending maybe Tommy should be smart enough to be able to define the term facist? Shouldn't be too hard since he does use it willy nilly
@crassuscorax7731
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman the kind of guy to ask you to define Natzi after you call somebody a grammar Natzi
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Calling someone a facist is far more severe of an accusation then calling someone a grammar not see. Wake up to reality.
@crassuscorax7731
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz Where did I say any of that? To make the point real simple for you: WHY do we call people not-sees for policing grammar? It's because they were authoritarian, they had an overzealous commitment to the letter of the law, as decided by the state. The not-sees NEVER had a policy on correct grammar usage, but it's been a joke for years to call people not-sees for policing grammar rules. The joke is that, if you want to play semantic games, the phrase "grammar not-see" is incorrect and unfair because it's not a not-see thing to police grammar. Tommy's (poorly explained) point seemed to be that the assumption of guilt was fascistic. He's wrong, it's more of an authoritarian thing, not JUST a fascist thing. That said, one of the most famous Kangaroo courts in history was the People's Court in not-see Germany. They trialed and executed a lot of people for political non-crimes that wouldn't have been illegal under Germany's constitution, and they often didn't allow evidence to be shown. Many, including Chud, have spoken about how the court of public opinion can be like a Kangaroo court. Kangaroo courts exist in authoritarian systems. The most famous authoritarians are the fascists. So, in Tommy's mind, hounding people with the presumption of guilt is fascist.
@dylanlloyd4483
3 ай бұрын
Tommy is the type to say you’re doing breadtube tactics while doing the ultimate one. Which is calling things fascist then screaming and crying when asked what it means. You can watch this in multiple of the Vaush Destiny convos.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@crassuscorax7731 Whether he meant facism or authoritarian is besides the point because both are wrongfully applied. It's not unique to authoritarianism. It's not what you said, it's what you're implying with that comment or you phrased it in the worst way possible. Kangaroo court still exists today and not exclusively in authoritarian countries. Regardless of this factor, it's still unreasonable for him to call people facist and would be just as irational to label them authoritarian for that alone.
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@crassuscorax7731 If you think calling someone like iDubbz wife a "bed-wetting fascist" is a serious point, your brain has rotted out your anus.
@terribleplayer2526
3 ай бұрын
okay, second rewatch. If someone is calling someone a pdf without proof and demanding action towards them, im not losing sleep if someone is calling them fascist for that LOL
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Both of those accusations will cause you to lose your job so they are both severe, so it's a valid comparison.
@Dielawn69
3 ай бұрын
@@GigakoopzHahah in what fucking world would someone get fired for getting called a fascist online? You are insane lol. Even if you worked at an insanely leftist company. They arent gonna fire you for being called a fascist. They are gonna fire you if your politics oppose theirs. A super lefty working at a super lefty company is 100% not getting fired over that lol.
@dontron6992
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz You're gonna snap the broom in half with that 70iq take sir...
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@dontron6992 If it's such a 70iq take you should be able to debunk it effortless and you have yet to do that. What happened?
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@Dielawn69 In the real world they would. You are in denial of reality.
@redcrispyfruit
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman annoyed me a lot in this convo. Its so obvious that tommy was being hyperbolic and that kuihman was just trying to dunk on him
@FreddyWoodz
3 ай бұрын
Being hyperbolic he'd be able to explain his thoughts properly to someone questioning it no?
@redcrispyfruit
3 ай бұрын
@@FreddyWoodz if kuihman was actually asking the question in good faith and not being a smug condescending freak then yeah
@hendog5396
3 ай бұрын
@@redcrispyfruit so the problem is that kuihman was smug in an internet debate, and it's his fault that a 50 year old Tommy C couldn't answer a single question without sperging out
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@redcrispyfruit "good faith" "smug" "condescending" Holy, stop whining ffs. Tommy is running around calling ppl a fascist and sperging out about the culture war, and your big complaint is Kuihman sounds smug? Jesus Christ 😂
@destinsuggs5265
3 ай бұрын
Young man is just too knotted.
@TheDoomlad
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman does have that breadtuber rizz. He ambushed an unsuspecting opponent with a pre-prepared list of Gotcha Ya's, sperged out when it didn't go his way, wanted to argue about the definition of words, got pretty close to calling him a PDF file and finally, see that whole 'Disrespect drama being a cultural issue' thing that Kuihman has a problem with? Chud said it too. But Kuihman doesn't want to bite the hand that occasionally feeds him.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
If anything TommyC comes across as a bigger breadtuber here because he is willing to call people facist over a simple disagreement over a non-political topic. That's what breadtubers like xanderhal and vaush does all the time. Wake up from the echo chamber bubble of yours instead of arguing so dishonestly.
@terribleplayer2526
3 ай бұрын
If someone acts like a fascist (demanding action without evidence) then I'm not losing sleep over tommy calling them that, the same way I'm not losing sleep if someone calls tipster a pdf for the exact same reasons@@Gigakoopz
@zejjnt
3 ай бұрын
@@terribleplayer2526 And even if you throw that shit at Tommy he doesn't care, that's a thing that makes him stand out. I disagree with him on quite a lot of things, but his reasoning and the attitude he has towards both his friends and people who annoy him is entertaining AF. That and the fact that he is a whole lot smarter than you'd think at first glance.
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@zejjntTommy is smarter than he seems only because he seems _really_ low IQ. I've witnessed him lose debates to Wings.
@elibee4596
3 ай бұрын
@@zejjntI watched one of his dating advice call-ins and was impressed and honestly a little surprised at the amount of emotional intelligence he showed. He just doesn't really do the high-minded politics debate bro stuff.
@zejjnt
3 ай бұрын
I have never seen Kui have a good take or not act like a sperg-troll and this only further strengthened that take
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
How so?
@afx3
3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@hotstankygarbage788
3 ай бұрын
KHUIMAN is the definition of Reddit is down the hall and to the left
@lizzieisbaked
3 ай бұрын
I get what Tommy was saying, kuihman is just trying got a gotcha, not a conversation.
@Section8dc
3 ай бұрын
Didnt like Tommy at first but he won me over, Kuihman looked weak here
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Even tho TommyC is willing to call people he disagrees with facists over something that wasn't even political in the first place. I guess you would like xanderhal and vaush too then.
@Section8dc
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz lol I just liked his attitude and responses to Kuihman, Kuihman came off as trying to get a gotcha on him and I found it funny that Tommy was having none of it
@deeperama298
3 ай бұрын
I feel bad for this kuihman kid. You can tell how excited he was to be on stream with Tommy and overplayed his contrarian character. He'll never make it if he keeps getting starstruck by the big dogs like Tommy.
@QuickBen1209
3 ай бұрын
its sad really, he tries so much to copy destiny
@destinsuggs5265
3 ай бұрын
The DDG knot leaves a lasting scar.
@afx3
3 ай бұрын
He’ll never make it, period.
@lightingwolf1
3 ай бұрын
Quihman is so mad he got blown tf out. 1. Got told he was irrelevant 2. Tried to throw the dictionary at Tommy 3. Sperged out. Tommy W, common quihman L
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Irrelevant? Damn, are you ricegum's alt account or what? No, what happen was that he asked tommyC what the definition of facism was because he was clearly using it too loosely over a simple disagreement that was non-politiical which is something breadtubers often do. Don't go full гетаяd.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor You think so? I think it's a big cope to use insults instead of a counter-argument because you don't have any counter-arguments.
@lightingwolf1
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz quihman’s biggest sweeper spotted
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@lightingwolf1 Not really. I've pointed out Kuihman's hypocrisy if you sort by newest comments. It's pretty obvious to me tho that you are a sweeper for tommyC tho whenever he screws up.
@lightingwolf1
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz imagine sorting through newest 💀
@jasoncoward-aintscared
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman has a lot of potential, but he needs to lay off the try hard attitude. I knew instantaneously the point Tommy was making with the fascism comment. And I agree with him. Demanding condemnation without proof is the backbone of an extremist ideology.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
But that doesn't fit the definition of facism, you realize that, right? You realize you are just using that word too loosely just like the breadtubers are. Are you a breadtuber? Serious question.
@raze2798
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz It does tho. A certain German government had one of the most well known kangaroo courts in history. Now it is true that this kind of "guilty until proven innocent" idea is not unique to fascism and is a part of any authoritarian regime, including fascism. Tommy calls the people who take allegations as facts before evidence fascists to communicate that they are no better than the people they criticize. It's not random or flippant. It is accurate. Granted, Tommy should have just said this. But this was also super easy to understand given all of the context. Kuihman was being pedantic about definitions to try to get a win out of Tommy. It's why he kept interrupting him in the beginning and why he kept asking questions with obvious answers and that's why Tommy didn't engage with him. I think he still should have, but I understand why he didn't
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@raze2798 You said it yourself that it's not unique to facism. Here's the thing, it's not unqiue to authoritarianism as a whole. There was a meme floating around to make fun of breadtuber's logic. It went something like this: "Trump drank water during his speech, just like the german ww2 leader. Concidence?". It's the same logic TommyC uses that this meme mocks. It's not so much Kuihman trying to get a win at him (but probably that as well a little bit), but more so that he's inconsistency bothers him and rightfully so. It's hypocritical to call out breadtubers (or in this instance people he thinks are breadtubers) for a certain tactic while engaging in the same tactics as one. TommyC wanting to leave after being pressed about the definition question just made him look weak.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@raze2798 What's the missing context of the argument that somehow makes these people facist? (If he did in the video, please provide timestamps) Tell us. I'm gonna do what Kuihman did to TommyC by asking you what the definition of facism is.
@raze2798
3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I cannot go into any more detail. KZitem has decided to shadowban my comments now, so I cannot explain my perspective. The best I can offer is for you to check out some SFO videos on the topic, as he does a good job explaining everything. As for Tommy, he is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of calling something one thing and then freaking out when it happens back to you, all while you act like the thing you are using to slander someone. It's that simple
@karmic5783
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman is becoming more and more insufferable and cringe ngl.
@erichooper2794
3 ай бұрын
OK Kuihman sounds BRI ISH so im going to assume he doesn't know American libel laws, Bloomberg could 100% put out an article calling a twitch streamer a pedophile, and as long as they cannot be prove that Bloomberg KNEW they were lying, the twitch streamer is shit out of luck. Defamation/ libel is very difficult to win in America especially when you are a public figure (twitch streamer) and especially when the subject would be in the public interest (twitch streamer is a ped)
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
The public is not interested in fake news. The public is interested in real news. If Bloomberg put out a fake defamatory story about someone, they should be held accountable. It is on them to do their own fact checking.
@karmaspromise4626
3 ай бұрын
Chud continues to nuke his orbitar from orbit.
@ataridc
3 ай бұрын
you realize Tommy C got completely smoked here right? Tommy C floundered and sputtered nonsense about breadtube the entire time...
@doubledrum2
3 ай бұрын
@@ataridcno he didn't. Kuihman just argues semantics and thinks he's big brain for it
@WillyKillya
3 ай бұрын
@@ataridclol you're playing the exact breadtuber games Tommy's talking about
@__loafy__
3 ай бұрын
Queefman forever orbiting
@ataridc
3 ай бұрын
@@WillyKillya so pointing out someone said the same argument over and over is also "breadtube games" I have no clue what you guys are even trying to say
@Hasblock
3 ай бұрын
Came here months ago for the Mamamax content - stayed for the Chug sitting back while 2 people he goaded into a debate yell at each other content
@fatuusdottore
3 ай бұрын
Chud can be manipulative yea. 😔💔✨
@Nick-zm2vm
3 ай бұрын
Khuiman might make it as a commentary KZitemr if he could refrain from sperging out every time he talks to someone with a different opinion.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Sperging out by asking him a question that TommyC can't answer? You know the very thing you claim Kuihman is doing is precisely what Tommy was doing the whole time when challenged about the definition of a word he had no idea what it meant.
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz He knows exactly what it meant, giga cope. Sweeping for Kuihman will get you nowhere. You leftists make up your own words and definitions all the time, so why can't Tommy use facist to describe someone _forcefully demanding condemnation without evidence?_ Also note that you leftists call presidents like Trump (or other republicans) facists, which is untrue.
@phoenix___7747
3 ай бұрын
Can we have a civil conversation on this matter instead of gotchas. Jesus im so tired of people thinking gotcha conversation is anyway productive
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
If Tommy didn't call people facist for just disagreements then it would of being productive yeah.
@MADDcartman
3 ай бұрын
Commenter said it best. Regard vs regard. Either use the context of his statement to deduce the meaning of fascist he’s using or the other dude could have just said I’m using fascist in non political terms to mean controlling or “totalitarian” in a social setting. To get hung up on this was just regarded by both.
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
Regarded take. Tommy W Kuihman L
@MADDcartman
3 ай бұрын
@@fmo94jos8v3 I would give the W to Tommy if I had to but being asked to explain your usage of a word isn’t exactly out of bounds.
@tinyclown799
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman would get better content if he takes his foot of the gas more. There was plenty of opportunity to deescalate the conversation and still get his point across but instead he hammered Tommy repeatedly when he was already defensive.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
If you let people get away with dodging a question, then that's irresponsible. It's good that kuihman tried to not let him get away with a dishonest politician move.
@tinyclown799
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz I’m not saying he should have let him off, I’m saying he should have been more tactful in how he went about it.
@MrSlade138
3 ай бұрын
Defensive is generous, though. He completely dismissed Kuihman and called him bad faith the moment he dared to ask him to define fascism, even though most people would get confused by how he uses the word.
@tinyclown799
3 ай бұрын
@@MrSlade138 yeah I agree Tommy was unreasonable from the get go but Kuih can’t control someone else’s initial retardation, just what happens next.
@stoneyJutsu
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz Biggest kuihman sweeper. I've seen you in every critical comment that has any point against him. Pathetic
@CommentaryGroot
3 ай бұрын
I think it was a mistake letting Kuihman into this community.
@phillipoliverholtz9226
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman is great at projecting maturity yet buckles when confronted. I love kdgs persona....except when he forgets his delusions
@LizStaples
3 ай бұрын
20:58 ok Tommy had a point till he is starts running defense for Dr Disrespect. Twitch would break a contract set to make them money because “the Libs” made them do it???
@ataridc
3 ай бұрын
tommy is just doing the "enlightened centrist" archetype, everything is about seeing through the media's lies and woke agenda while not going too far right with any of his ideology. for all the NPC meme's you could very easily script an AI to act out all of Tommy's arguments for just about anything.
@albertjohnston1026
3 ай бұрын
@@ataridc Is "enlightened centrist" anti-woke to _that_ extent though? I'd probably fall closer to the centrist camp but holy shit Tommy seems genuinely delusional and caught up in the 2020-Trump-esque "the media lies" mindset. I do think some of the woke stuff is too much, but I _really_ don't see how this is a culture war thing at all. Lefties do tend to pull the trigger more quickly on accusations before things are locked down/verified, but unless the right was defending Dr D, then it was just lefties being retarded (shocker).
@austin_bennett
3 ай бұрын
This was legitimately entertaining because Kuihman is constantly being the annoying contrarian like "oh you don't trust mainstream news!?" as if thats such an insane take. Meanwhile Timmy does his annoying culture war "ah don't agree with me therefore you're [insert generic lefty term here]" and generalized 100 different things. At least Tommy didn't call Kuihman a nazi because he spams that one a lot justified or not
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that part that kuiihman said I don't agree with it being unreasonable to not trust the mainstream news. It was a really dumb position to hold not to mention his hypocrisy about the word "bad faith". TommyC's hypocrisy is even worse with how he accuse Kuihman of playing bread tube games with him for confronting him about the use of the word "facist" when calling people facist for a non-political disagreement is what breadtubers do as a tactic (something TommyC did).
@austin_bennett
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz I like watching Tommy but he suffers the same problem Destiny does when he's being lazy: they both assume 100 different things based on 1 minor thing. In Tommy's case he spamed all the culture war / Twitter insults just because he got annoyed by Kuihman & this isn't the 1st time Tommy's done this either. I'm a fan of Tommy's content but I can understand why you or anyone else consider this egregious
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@austin_bennett I used to watch TommyC a while back so it's just dissapointing seeing him ruin his credibility like this. Destiny seems more level headed then TommyC, he would of been able to answer the questions persented to him but I see what you mean from some of his bad takes in the past.
@Samoanmike24
3 ай бұрын
Kuiman took the L dude. Wants you to trust twitch the source? When then don't apply rules fairly, hides all this shit with doc? Then gets mad at a hyperbole?
@justinwebber9968
3 ай бұрын
Well that was stupid all round.
@davidlivermore6431
3 ай бұрын
Are people still taking anything @slasher says seriously, but still ignoring his attempt at getting a date with Brittany Venti?
@fatuusdottore
3 ай бұрын
That's the biggest L of them all. Imagine wanting to date E.T.
@zaspirite
3 ай бұрын
for the past 2 hours ive heard from multiple credible sources that Slasher is still heartbroken about that.
@bremusa322
3 ай бұрын
6:24 I agree with Tommy here, I’d been thinking it from the start. While inappropriate, dirty jokes exchanged with a minor isn’t the same as a certain legal word
@terribleplayer2526
3 ай бұрын
I love how everyone has a different thought on this in the comments, very rare
@moanfullspoon
3 ай бұрын
Contrarian Kuihman BTFO’d again
@hendog5396
3 ай бұрын
you don't have a brain
@MemeNabber
3 ай бұрын
Common Kuihman L
@spanty7137
3 ай бұрын
How do you watch this and think it's a Kuiman L? Chud needs to crack down on his mentally deficient conservative fanbase
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Because nothing says BTFO more then dodging a basic question like a politician would do when confronted with a basic question.
@hendog5396
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz "like a politician" implies a skilled deflection, he was just sperging💀
@BasementDwellingGremlin
3 ай бұрын
Tommy owns Kuihman
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@BasementDwellingGremlin How? By calling him a Breadtube fascist? Tommy is of subhuman intelligence lmao.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
He owned kuiman, that's why he had to dodge a really easy to understand question multiple times because he was uncapable of engaging with the debate in a honest way.
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I did think about it, and you're wrong. Screeching like a triggered muppet because someone pushed back on you calling everybody a fascist isn't a win. You just hate Kuihman is all.
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor No you're wrong lol go rewatch the video.
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor "...now is it because they're a bunch of fascists? Maybe." "They actually DO sound like a bunch of fascists." "That's what I got out of DrDisrespect; a bunch of bed-wetting fascists."
@megamanzx2
3 ай бұрын
Tommy C “I’m going to call people what I call them and if you try and correct or question me I’m calling you a commie”
@ataridc
3 ай бұрын
yeah kuihman the giant commie, the dude doesn't even talk about politics ever.
@lewa9575
3 ай бұрын
"If I use a word incorrectly and you try and give me the correct definition you're being a bad faith breadtuber"
@megamanzx2
3 ай бұрын
@@lewa9575 hecc yeah lol I looked up the definition of breadtuber because I didn’t know and it’s essentially a communist supporter
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
@@megamanzx2 Tommy doesn't wanna play Breadtuber games but he's happy to call everybody a fascist... like a Breadtuber does
@kingcrustytut7544
3 ай бұрын
poretty much what a stupid argument
@kyleg5204
3 ай бұрын
I love Tommy but Dr Disrespect texting a minor isn’t a culture war issue lol
@fatuusdottore
3 ай бұрын
At the time it wasn't known and it was speculated it was a political thing.
@egorapter
3 ай бұрын
Everything on youtube is practically a culture war tbh
@TheDoomlad
3 ай бұрын
Chud staying silent here is particularly slimy because he actually said the Dr Disrespect drama was becoming a cultural/political issue on his last stream, and he even admonished the online lefties for turning it into one. Now when Kuihman has a problem with Tommy saying the same thing, Chud doesn't open his mouth.
@egorapter
3 ай бұрын
@TheDoomlad all three of them know that this was between Tommy and kui, so I think it's fair chud doesn't take a side for the sake of the discussion
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
Sure it is, one side thinks PDF's should be arrested and jailed (the correct take), while the other side thinks they need to normalize PDF's and welcome them into the community (the wrong take).
@Georgeisbusting
3 ай бұрын
Suppression of opposition is what TommyC was referring to, so apparently, Kuihman, you don't understand Fascist ideology.
@KuihmanLive
3 ай бұрын
Okay so how was Vito suppressing opposition
@Georgeisbusting
3 ай бұрын
@@KuihmanLive TommyC already explained that. Vito and KaceyTron preyed on and shouted down influencers who gave DD the benefit of the doubt. Silencing all those who oppose you is a Fascist tendency. Similar to how you practice pedantry to avoid arguing over the broad meaning or intent of the subject, because it's easier to pick apart the literal meaning of words than it is debating the actual topic. Classic narcissism. Not sure why Tommy even bothered to entertain you when you pulled it on him, but you caught him off-guard, imo.
@KuihmanLive
3 ай бұрын
@@Georgeisbusting vito did not do that
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
It's the other way around. TommyC has no idea what facism is. It's why he can't define it. What you claim to be "Silencing all those who oppose you" is not exclusive to facism.
@Georgeisbusting
3 ай бұрын
@@KuihmanLive that's exactly what he did. I'm puzzled how you could take the contrarian stance on that. Queue your narrative, I guess.
@hollowharbor
3 ай бұрын
For all of you saying that Kuhiman was the one sperging then i dont know if you regards have eyes or ears. TommiC is a lolcow for a reason.
@TheBritishRunner
3 ай бұрын
Well that was quite the show lol
@Rollerrot
3 ай бұрын
Slasher said none of his sources would go public, so Slasher wasnt able to publish the story on Doc. Now Rolling stones and Slasher pushed it, but none of their sources are public still.
@mutavhello6654
3 ай бұрын
Chud's cope laugh at the end after seeing his buddy get destroyed.😂😂😂
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
Which one? Both Kuihman and Tommy are "buddies" with Chud. I would use the word acquaintance myself. If you didn't notice, Chud ends his streams by raiding other streams, usually Kuihman is one.
@franciscobenitez70
3 ай бұрын
Buddy thinks major new sources are always trustworthy lmaooo
@leylapats
3 ай бұрын
Look at these comments, Chud’s viewers coming around on Tommy C!?
@michalhowling3702
3 ай бұрын
He should have defined fascism.
@ragnnohab
3 ай бұрын
Anytime someone tells you no they're Fascist. The more no's they tell you the more Fascister they are.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@ragnnohab 0IQ take
@TheodoreFeaser
3 ай бұрын
@@ragnnohab i am a fascist
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz Hey regard, that person was on your side, showing how Tommy is catastrophizing with sarcasm. I agree though, it was a 0 iq take.
@afx3
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman is a dead channel bro. Why is he so uppity? Totally unearned.
@thesovgc
3 ай бұрын
Tommy totally doesn't know what fascist means.
@Chibz
3 ай бұрын
I don't like the whole "pedophiles are bad unless I like their content, then it's blown out of proportion" take both sides have sometimes.
@psyman9780
3 ай бұрын
im gay
@Green-tf8uw
3 ай бұрын
Pride month
@g_ggle-sect.
3 ай бұрын
Ok but do you piss blood?
@Green-tf8uw
3 ай бұрын
@@g_ggle-sect. If he is gay he got some blood on his peepee i guess
@thesovgc
3 ай бұрын
Are you single?
@Green-tf8uw
3 ай бұрын
Chud's comment secton = gay tinder
@franciscobenitez70
3 ай бұрын
Slasher had a direct source to the trust and safety council. He had a first hand source.
@ShatterIsMyName
3 ай бұрын
With Kuihman's point about Tommy's "Definitive Statement". I dont think he understood that Tommy was saying that in context of his speculation. As in, with the information we have currently, the only explanation that you could speculate is that Slasher is heard from twitch.
@ErgonomicChair
3 ай бұрын
Jfc how did TommyC/s career fall so hard he's having to go onto CHud and Kuihman of all streams???
@Poerman4
3 ай бұрын
Crazy ppl think kuhiman lost when Tommy only engaged on his terms and deflected "Mah Culture war!!!!!"-Tommy C
@dontron6992
3 ай бұрын
Counterpoint: Tommy lost, *AND* kuihman is still an insufferable sperg
@YourBuddyBrady
3 ай бұрын
Tommy C W, no dif.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Dodging a simple question like a politician is a win for you? You must be a big fan of lying politicians then.
@YourBuddyBrady
3 ай бұрын
@Gigakoopz You misunderstand me, sir. Tommy C won with no dif because he doesn't have a funny lil accent.
@courtneyvaldez7903
3 ай бұрын
Tommy won the first half. But, and I hate to say it, Kuihman absolutely won the second half once Tommy started doing his lolbertarian “mainstream media is always lying” conspiratard bs. To be clear, making a claim without *knowing* due to lack of evidence is still speculation. You are jumping to a conclusion, but the conclusion is still speculation. This is what Tommy was (badly) arguing in the first half. Kuihman pulling out the dictionary definition doesn’t discredit how language is used, nor the context of this exact situation.
@hendog5396
3 ай бұрын
Vito is being called a fascist for saying "Twitch doesn't sever contracts with million dollar creators for no reason. No NDA prevents you from saying 'I have never sexted a minor." The mans own game company is distancing itself from the man. Whatever he did, it must've been bad" This is not fascist in any, way, shape, or form, EVEN hyperbolically. Tommy is a sperg.
@hollowharbor
3 ай бұрын
Tommy C fans stay lossing. Bros been on the internet for like ten years and still hasn't broke 50k on yt.
@thesovgc
3 ай бұрын
Tommy gives me PTSD. Hard.
@supershot9729
3 ай бұрын
Tommy calling dr disrespect a culture war item is peak brainrot
@tanimal3964
3 ай бұрын
I can sort of see where Tommy is coming from. If you look at a good portion of the people going after Dr D hardest before all the evidence was out or before he admitted to it, you'll see they were using it as a way to rope in Nick Mercs so they could dunk on him for his take on trans issues.
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
also the PDF thing IS a culture war thing. The left thinks PDF's should be normalized and welcomed into the community. The rest of us have a normal take, that they should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Kuiman said that the words "bad faith" is a pedo dog whistle to TommyC at 16:00 but he did call TommyC bad faith at 17:32. I thought that was a bit ironic. On the other hand, it's ironic for tommyC to be saying that Kuihman is playing breadtube games, when TommyC calling people facist over a simple non-political disagreement, which is litterally the thing that breadtubers like Vaush and Xanderhal do so often. I see too much hypocrisy during this debate, but mostly from TommyC.
@thegrimeyhole
3 ай бұрын
That first point is a meme. Nick was saying that when Tipster and Keffals were just calling everyone bad faith about the whole Vaush short stack goblin loli stuff
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
It's not non-political. Leftists think PDF should be normalized and accepted into the community, everyone else thinks they should be in jail.
@jfa320
3 ай бұрын
I don't Carus Malarus!!!
@JegoEXP
3 ай бұрын
The whole fascist definition thing is stupid. Facism is a socialist movement, so it being right wing is contentious. It’s not black and white like a word, Facism is an idea that has room for interpretation. Bogus argument lol
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
REEEEE YOU'RE A FASCIST!!!1!
@FreddyWoodz
3 ай бұрын
Can Tommy explain what he actually means by it instead dof just trying to attach the negative connotations with the word?
@plutarch324
3 ай бұрын
@@FreddyWoodz He clearly meant someone being treated as guilty without the evidence being released. He wasn't making a grand political argument. And anyone who isn't an idiot knows that the word is thrown around like this.
@kitchen_aids
3 ай бұрын
The point of the argument isn’t to show how politically illiterate Tommy is. It’s to show that Tommy is a hyperbolic crybaby like the ppl he complains about.
@tinyclown799
3 ай бұрын
Fascism is contrarian to socialist movements. It’s intrinsically unrepresentative and dictatorial.
@instakillgaming
3 ай бұрын
Love tommy, mean it, but he was the one that used the term fascism. He has to justify his use of the word
@Wallyworld30
3 ай бұрын
Tommy C calling people that condemn Dr Disrespect Fascist is as bad as Vaush calling George Bush a Fascist. Tomm C is literally acting like a Bread Tuber. WTF kind of Bizzarro World is this?
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
Yeah. It's really dissapointing because TommyC has a lot of potential but he throws away his credibility more and more over the years.
@ragnnohab
3 ай бұрын
Did you miss the several times where Tommy says demanding condemnation without evidence is Fascist? How did you take away that just the act of condemning is Fascist?
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@ragnnohab Doesn't change the fact that he is wrong and a hypocrite.
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
You are purposely leaving out the fact that Tommy called them fascist because they _were condemning before seeing any evidence of wrongdoing._ Not only that, they demanded that YOU (viewers) condemn without evidence. That is very fascistic to force an opinion on someone. When the left calls everyone and everyone not-see or fascist, I think it is perfectly fine for people to call them fascists, because they are... Look at leftists in general, Antifa and BLM forcing their opinions on everyone. Forcing everyone to think a certain way. That's fascist.
@fatuusdottore
3 ай бұрын
Tommy ily. 💖
@worsenary1449
3 ай бұрын
Lets go Kuihman!
@w33blord66
3 ай бұрын
The definition shit is so annoying. Even if Tommy is using the word in a more colloquial way how is it a win or entertaining to sideline the entire conversation and quibble over the definition of a single word? It's not good content and I'm glad Tommy didn't engage with or entertainment such debate autist tactics.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
So you rather have him be dishonest for the sake of making it more entertaining then begin honest. Imagine if the people he called facists lost their job. It's not all fun and games when you ruin people's jobs for disagreements online.
@w33blord66
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz he was calling other content creators fascist, so I doubt they will be fired from their own podcast. And it's not about being honest or dishonest. It's about realizing that you need to implement a different plan of attack or rhetorical device instead of asking the same question and sperging for 20 minutes.
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
@@w33blord66 They could have a 2nd job outside of youtube. Kuihman looked sane compared to TommyC. TommyC was objectively the loudest in the room and was 100% the one sperging over a simple basic question he asked when pressed about it.
@w33blord66
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz yeah, I'm sure Vito and Max, the guys known to most the internet as Pedos, have normal 9 to 5s 🙄
@fmo94jos8v3
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz Kuihman "looked sane"? Are you smoking crack?
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
Tommy C whining about Breadtube games as he calls people fascists like a Breadtuber. Lmfao you can't make that sht up
@GourmetFreedom
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman uses the Word fascist but can’t give an explanation of what it means 😂 and just shouts like a toddler learning bad words for the first time
@Gigakoopz
3 ай бұрын
He did tho at 13:30. TommyC was clearly shouting more through this but you can't see it because you are in love with the guy.
@dontron6992
3 ай бұрын
@@Gigakoopz counterpoint: Tommy lost, *and* kuihman is still an insufferable sperg
@Archivist42
3 ай бұрын
Tommy W
@ellie1903
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman W
@__loafy__
3 ай бұрын
**crickets**
@colinofay7237
3 ай бұрын
Half way in, kuihman seems to be a bit wrong here, tommy can speculate and use words how he wishes. It has came out like hes seemed very bad on this topic, tommy came across like a normal guy, kuihman seems a bit crazy.
@hollowharbor
3 ай бұрын
You can't just use words however you want. Tommy can't respond to a single criticism.
@LuridContent
3 ай бұрын
🐭
@chadmwilliams89
3 ай бұрын
Kuihman won. Tommy is a boring old man
@dandylafayette9024
3 ай бұрын
TKD
@repo8923
3 ай бұрын
Rare kuihman L
@dontron6992
3 ай бұрын
His whole gimmick is "how can i structure my take to be as contrarian and insufferable as humanly possible" Literally watched him doing it in realtime on chuds stream the other day about that guy who beat up the pedo like "well...maybe the police were doing an investigation that this guy potentially fucked up" Like seriously dude?
@RadicalStreamin
3 ай бұрын
Actual cope since it's honestly so common
@kitchen_aids
3 ай бұрын
@@dontron6992How is he being contrarian here? Wouldn’t it be appropriate to call out Tommy for acting like the lefties he criticizes?
@Duke-394
3 ай бұрын
Extremely common L
@CisternRumblings
3 ай бұрын
REEEE YOU'RE A FASCIST AND A BREADTUBER REEEEEE wow Tommy won so hard
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