I prefer Sram drivetrains, really enjoying the ease and performance of AXS. However, I like Shimano brakes for the same reasons you mentioned. The heat dissipation has never been an issue for me as I ride mostly XC flow trails where there aren't too many long descents. BTW, I appreciate your insightful videos.
@danmorgan7775
Жыл бұрын
My setup the past few years has been GX Eagle for going and XT for stopping. Seems to work pretty well. If I had to choose gun to head I'm going all XT on my next bike.
@terryfredrick5149
4 ай бұрын
Just got a Canyon spectral. Full XT. I've always been an XT brake lover. There so damn good. I'm a heavier rider and they stop me on a dime. This is the first full XT bike I've had and its been smooth so far. Very impressed with the performance.
@paulb9769
4 ай бұрын
XT is my favorite bang for your buck.
@andyeunson270
Жыл бұрын
Another difference between Shimano and SRAM shifters is XT and XTR can release two gears ie upshift two gears with one push of the thumb. And Shimano will shift to higher gear as soon as it clicks whereas SRAM shifts only after you release the upshift paddle.
@bricesechrist6438
Жыл бұрын
Double up shift is only on the thumb/push direction. Trigger is only one.
@trentvlak
Жыл бұрын
And thus why Shimano rules.
@cjmpaja
Жыл бұрын
@Brice Sechrist older XT shifters can do multi release in either direction. I used to have a 10 speed xt right shifter. It can do that in both directions...
@ejhc11
Жыл бұрын
I just got my first SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain and I prefer the Shimano Deore on my other bikes, because Shimano seems to shifts slightly faster. Also like the Shimano push/pull shifters.
@TomCollins-c4h
Жыл бұрын
@@ejhc11 The Sram shifters have weird ergonomics/shaped kinda funky.
@petererbse6253
Жыл бұрын
For the drivetrain I love shimano. I think the consistency you explained on the brakes is also found in their drivetrains. I had the experience that I had to go at least with GX eagle for it to work without issues longterm. On my current bike I have a complete deore drivetrain with only an xt shifter and it seems bulletproof and feels like a full xt to me. With brakes I just stay away from dot fluid and I went with the formula cura.
@adrianw3985
Жыл бұрын
One of my bikes is SRAM and the other Shimano. I've never experienced that ticking thing on my SRAM GX, It's flawless. My SLX is flawless too.
@jeffrogers2180
Жыл бұрын
I can't get SRAM brakes off a new bike fast enough, and the only SRAM drivetrain I've owned was a GX setup which was fine at first but then started making a noise which never went away despite every part being replaced. Installed an SLX drivetrain which performed flawlessly, never looked back.
@marisaw5150
Жыл бұрын
I had experience with two SRAM brake systems being a pain to bleed. For the fact the rear brake was on both, always never easy to get right. I went from code to code R, the install process to replace the brake lines/calipers/levers went fine, it was the stupid bleed. After SEVERAL runs of running fluid to waste, I finally ignored the things you do to rid of air in the syringe and the caliper, I focused only pulling bubbles from the levers, I FINALLY HAVE WORKING REAR BRAKES!! OMG what a pain in the a$$. Shimano looks easy in comparison, but I haven't had to bleed my Shimano brakes on my hardtail. As far as braking performance and preference... eh toss up for me.
@simonm1447
Жыл бұрын
If the old fluid (I use Shimano with mineral oil) is already flushed out I typically put it away and from then on I can reuse the fluid during the bleed if something don't work instantly, so I don't have to throw away more or less new mineral oil
@rowanRobaggs
Жыл бұрын
So true about the one ticking gear and Sram. Have had that on 3-4 bikes. It doesn't happen with ASX though.
@tmhudg
Жыл бұрын
I don't notice it on my SRAM GX.
@mattdickey2454
Жыл бұрын
Shimano ONLY for me. I love XT shifter can shift 2 gears harder with 1 press. The Sram rear derailleur seems too easy to chain slap. I prefer the Shimano clutch. Brakes, I agree with you Word for word. If I'm buying a bike, and it only comes Sram, I ain't buying it. Period. Awesome video! PS, mechanical rules.
@krystianpawlata1927
Жыл бұрын
Hi, I use gx groupset for drivetrain (also have ticking noise....), but performance is great. For stopping power shimano deore. As you said - braking performance is same as in expensive xt, but its heavier. For average rider it is perfect setup. 😊
@billybudz
Жыл бұрын
Not to mention SRAM comes at a premium when compared to similar Shimano components. I guess budget matters more to some.✌️
@aligferrari
Жыл бұрын
Shimano for the win. Just easier to work with and from old to new from 105 and Ultegra mechanical to Di2 shifting is so smooth and consistent plus better brake feel and also no disc brake rub with Shimano.
@nyreppin1
Жыл бұрын
If i could mix the triggers i would keep the double up shift with the pull feature from Shimano and the 5 gear downshift SRAM has. Also, on your Shimano equipped bike, move your triggers so that you're able to pull the trigger with your index without moving your index finger to the side at all. When I'm upshifting my index is on that trigger and when I'm downshifting my index is either covering the back brake or relaxing on the grip while my thumb does the downshifting. It helped my riding so much
@tmhudg
Жыл бұрын
Don't have a lot of experience with both but my bike came with SRAM GX drivetrain and Shimano brakes and I love the combo. I love how quickly the brakes engage and how I don't have to pull the levers very far to get to full power. I have a new bike (tandem MTB) coming with Magura brakes and I've heard that they are powerful but somewhat squishy and I'm a little worried I'm going to have to change them out soon after it arrives. My SRAM shifting has been rock solid and I don't have a ticking problem as far as I can tell. I also have Di2 on another bike and it is also really good. I'd say the drivetrains are virtually equal but I like Shimano brakes.
@aldomaresca9994
Жыл бұрын
I'm quite budget-conscious about buying parts, and i'm heavy and my grip strength is trash, and shimano always offered what to me seems like the best combo: strong braking from the first touch, which i like, somewhat affordable prices, and very widely available spare parts, which is important if you live in the third world like me. besides that, i alredy got 1 litre of shimano fluid, so i can be confident if i go out for a mtb week to the mountains, brakes will not let me down
@chameleon-dream-band-official
9 ай бұрын
In my experience of using both brands for years, I've always found the Shimano's lower tier products like basic Deore (drivetrain and brakes) to be very good, functional and reliable. Whereas SRAM lower tier stuff (e.g. SX, Level, or back to the old X3/X5 ranges) has always fallen short for me. As you get up to the higher tier stuff XT/GX, they start to get a lot closer for me and then it's really just personal preferences.
@tmwei396
Жыл бұрын
SRAM does have mineral oil brakes now, the DB8, and they're pretty good. I have them on my Fezzari Delano. On my other 2 bikes one has Shimano brakes and the other has the traditional SRAM brakes with DOT fluid so I have 3 different types and I like them all but if I had to pick one I would still pick the Shimano mainly for the mineral oil. I don't like handling DOT fluid.
@AZRob.
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm not crazy! That little in between shifting of that one cog was driving me nuts! LOL So I had never has Sram before, but, all three of the mechanics in my bike shop are Sram fan boys. They suggested I try it on my new build, so I went with a whole GX drivetrain. Well, to their surprise, I hated it! It felt sluggish for some reason, it felt like there was a dude behind me with a rope tied around my waist, holding me back. I didn't like the gears Sram uses on their cassette. I found myself shifting A LOT more, and I just felt like I could never quite find the right gear that I wanted. So, back to Shimano I went! And this time, I went with all XT, and I LOVE this drivetrain! I am a Shimano man through and through! Except for brakes... I went with TRP Slate Evo's and so far, I like them. Thanks for another great video man! I've been enjoying your channel since back when you did reviews on the Giant XTC Advanced. It was one of the only places I found reliable information on that bike, so I bought one, and really enjoyed it for a couple of years.
@Caffeine-m4e
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! I thought it was only my bike ticking. It IS annoying but I still love it. I think it doesn't detune as easily or as fast as Shimano.
@colinmcnally5931
Жыл бұрын
I have never had a problem with Shimano brakes or shifters/gears. Im currently running Sram brakes and transmission. Front derailleur is badly worn for the mileage and needs replacing. Brakes I hated at first due to constant rubbing and binding but once I learnt how to properly bleed them, I love them. Nice and progressive feel to them and no issues. Would not make any difference to making a choice when choosing a new bike. Both are good.
@maximbezzubenko4150
10 ай бұрын
Could you please say, what exactly SRAM brakes do you have?
@mgoo1713
10 ай бұрын
You should look at the boiling point of DOT vs Mineral Oil...they are similar, but when DOT gets any moisture the boiling point plummet...
@roilev
Жыл бұрын
AXS also has the push-to-upshift button on the controller. I have my old cabled XX1 eagle on my enduro bike and I am always reminded how big of a leap forward the AXS is. You don't have to charge the battery (once every 3 months) but you have to change the cables when they clog and stretch. I adjust it more often that I charge the AXS batteries. When clean and adjusted they work similarly, I don't miss my easy gear changes from the AXS that much. But when they get dusty or muddy, the AXS breaks no sweat and continues to work like charm, while the eagle starts to struggle, miss changes, grind more before changing. I don't think that XTR matches XX1 in any way - they are 2.5 generations behind, they even lack carbon cranks. I hate Shimano for slacking so much - this allows SRAM to charge 3200 euro (and even more in dollars I suppose) for just the 'transmission'! They just have no competition there :( I agree that the XC brakes are comparable. I was considering XTR dual pistons - the lightest brakes with more power than the Levels (that sux). But I got G2s on my new bike, and even if heavy they perform much closer to the Codes that I have on my enduro bike than the Guides I had on my stumpjumper before. They are slight overkill for XC but I don't want to spend that much on a couple of grams and lose braking performance (and modulation). btw. I service my brakes and I had no problems touching DOT. Of course I rinse everything soon after it spills but so far no issues with my hands or paint. Mineral oil does not absorb the moisture from the air leaving it in contact with the piston and the lines that may corrode.
@simonm1447
Жыл бұрын
Which contact with air moisture should the fluid in a bicycle brake have? In a car there is some contact since the reservoir has an opening for pressure equalization, a bicycle brake however is a closed system with a balloon like reservoir and it's 100% filled with fluid. Contrary to a car the pistons and calipers are not made of steel on a bicycle but Aluminium (caliper) and the piston is Aluminium or ceramic (depends on the model). The brake line is plastic, there is no steel brake line like at a car. If the fluid (dot 4 or mineral oil) is changed regularly and not neglected there will never be a problem with the fluid
@vlbz
10 ай бұрын
Shimano is king in the budget segment (Deore, SLX) brakes and shifting. Sram below GX is no good. GX vs XT and up kind of the same. Brakes... I wouldn't touch anything other than Code RSC, there is no power in anything below that. Shimano on the other hand, even Deore is just fine.
@dpstrial
Жыл бұрын
Like you, Clint, I don't like working with DOT fluid; and so my disc-brake bikes have always been Shimano. I hear that that SRAM can be a real pain with regard to disc rub. Having said, I had terrible issues with the Dura Ace black-fin rotors, which went out of true every single ride. Now I use Hope floating rotors, which rarely go out of true. After hard descents they make a pinging noise as they cool. My CX bike has a threaded BB. The SRAM BB version, I see from countless reviews, has really poor durability. This is what made me opt for Shimano. I just wish Shimano would make it easier to replace the rear wheel.
@Stockfish1511
3 ай бұрын
I have Sram GX AXS groupset on my Trek rail 9.8 and Shimano XT groupset on my Trek Slash 9.8. Its not even close Shimano wrecks. The hyperglide + system makes the shifting so much smoother and better. Sram feels very rough, snappy and loud. Sure its not bad, like its not like you are buying crap. Its still decent, but it can not even be mentioned in the same league as Shimano XT. I have not tried T type variants yet, heard they are smoother. But for now Shimano XT all day for me.
@kuronolag
Жыл бұрын
You can fix the SRAM gear click by finding the 1 tooth on the cassette that is cause the chain to come slightly unconnected and then bending it outwards slightly with a screw driver. Plenty of you tube videos on it. Seems like a SRAM cassette GX manufacturing issue when pinning the cassette together as I believe this rarely happens on X01 and XX1
@Petrus2813
Жыл бұрын
Bending it w a screw driver? Really works?
@jadevillaflores9542
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks Clint for your inputs, well informative and entertaining from my end, BTW I use Shimano XT 12s on my drivetrain and brakes SRAM RSC G2 super happy with it..
@johnthompson5740
Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Shimano for a few reasons based on my experiences with both. Reliability and simpler design. Why do you need a narrow-wide jockey wheel on an XX1 derailleur? After a couple of aggressive bumps and the chain skips to the wrong tooth segment, what a racket (then stop, adjust the chain to sync with the proper tooth and try to ride the smoothest line only). Shifts are slightly quicker on SRAM, however any seasoned rider is looking ahead (to survey the trail conditions) and selects the proper gear well before a panic situation (that nano second saved isn't much of a factor). Now, on shifting to a larger cassette cog under load, Shimano is far and away superior across all levels. Lastly, if you are a home mechanic, Shimano is far easier to work on with mostly standard tools and common sizes. Getting out there to ride is the most important thing, which brand is splitting hairs, but I've had much less grief with one over the other.
@brianwitter3271
Жыл бұрын
I've always had the luck of getting Shimano brakes. I don't want to mess with DOT. I run MTX red label pads. They have better modulation without giving up power. The heat resistance (on XT ice-tech rotors) seems as good or better than finned pads and they don't rattle. They don't squawk either. Shimano organics are quiet but I'd have to deglaze them multiple times even in MN's short season. Going on my second season with the MTX and they rarely make a sound with no intervention.
@davelloyd8454
Жыл бұрын
Why do I want full wireless shifting when I still have brake hoses which have to run from the bars anyway? For me, that Shimano still has the win because they offer wired shifting. I charge 1 battery and everything works vs 2 shall batteries and 2 coin cells.
@barizto7494
Жыл бұрын
I use shimano for my drive train and sram code for my breaks and i love them both for their propective objective. Sram code for me the modulation and its fit for enduro dh,shimano for drivetrain for the shifting performance
@Commander_ZiN
10 ай бұрын
DOT fluid doesn't dissapate heat better, it's viscosity doesn't change much due to heat. However it's probably overkill for a bike I would imagine. Half the stuff on bikes these days just seem like gimicks that are less robust, harder to repair and often incompatible.
@mmaorc
Жыл бұрын
I also have the SRAM ticking noises. This happens because one of the cassette gear teeth is too close to the higher gears, which prevents the chain from engaging that upper gear. I managed to reduce it by finding the problematic tooth and bending it just enough so that it won’t catch the chain on every rotation. Never buying SRAM again.
@zdravo4
7 ай бұрын
I am having Shimano brakes and drivetrain for years. I noticed that the brakes can have “turkey” sound effect sometimes. So I put Galfer rotors and pads and no surkey noise
@nickbusch4408
Жыл бұрын
Shimano shifts and brakes better and doesn’t require as much adjustment even at their deore level it’s still good. Had to adjust the derailleur on every sram I’ve ever had more that with any shimano.
@johnnydoe66
Жыл бұрын
FYI SRAM has their DB8 brakes that are mineral oil. Also they own Tektro which also uses mineral oil if my memory serves me right. I like both brands as far as shifting, but like you I prefer Shimano's use of mineral oil. I had my rear brake lever leak and squirt fluid onto my frame w/o any damage to the finish. A friend's SRAM caliper had a leak develope around one of the pistons and the paint on his frame started to peel.
@MoRad255
Жыл бұрын
For me, I go Sram drivetrain, Magura braking- you get the modulation, the mineral oil, and the innovation. That said, Sram does make a mineral oil brake (the low tier DB8) mainly for OEM markets, but Yeah, I didn't like working with DOT either.
@jamiebeckracing717
Жыл бұрын
Back in the late 90s I had all Shimano XTR or XT. Now I am a big fan of SRAM, even went to AXS. However, for brakes I stick with Shimano XTR or XT because that's what I am used to. I only ride XC so I don't have the heating problems that would require me to run DOT fluid. If I did down hill I would probably go with SRAM.
@waisinglee1509
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this overview video! I have not used an MTB groupset since Deore DX. Love that system...so robust.
@gordsimpson8916
Жыл бұрын
Using the best of both worlds! Shimano Brakes (DOT fluid sucks for the DIY mechanic like me). 12-speed Shamono XT cassette and chain with GX Eagle AXS electronic derailleur. The ShaRAMo Drive train works flawlessly
@jbandt
Жыл бұрын
Some of these differences carry over to lower grade stuff as well. I had an 11sp sram apex trigger shifter that was thumb push only up and down. Shimano deore 11 sp has the index pull for up shifting, which is preferable for me. I also like the shimano brakes better, mostly due to better rotor clearance, and I'm talking the lower end MT 200 brakes.
@paulb9769
4 ай бұрын
XT is hands down my favorite.
@danieljames1
Жыл бұрын
Great information as always - love the channel. Thank you!
@darrinkulyk9560
Жыл бұрын
I Run Saints On my CF Warden 220/203 MTX Reds 3wt. Maxima Fluid . Stops Amazing . I Ride Vancouver Daily 😎
@andyarchitect
Жыл бұрын
I never noticed the sram tick noise on either of the 2 NX 12 speed drivetrains I've had... maybe it only applies to GX and above? For brakes i really like Magura... mineral oil, good modulation, and loads of power.
@323johnnybravo
Жыл бұрын
There’s a few vids online that show how to fix that GX clicking sound. Basically find the tooth that the chain is catching on and then bend the tooth with some needle nose pliers
@gsum1000
Жыл бұрын
After having two Shimano derailleurs fail thanks to the over engineered clutch mechanism I prefer the simple and effective sprung pin of the SRAM derailleur. The problems with the Shimao clutch is that it is extremely delicate for such a harsh environment and is prone to water and grit ingress.
@caylanwojciechowski8233
Жыл бұрын
The ticking noise drives me crazy!
@Laymanmountainbiker
Жыл бұрын
Based on my limited experience and now your awesome video here I have some conclusions. SRAM is for the younger, faster downhill rider who lives near a bike shop. Shimano is for people who maintain their own bike, don’t have extended fast downhill trails or who may take the trail less than suicidal speed. I didn’t realize the bite of the shimano brakes until you pointed it out. My current bike has SRAM with the mineral oil and I thought that they were lighter than my shimanos on my previous bike. The shop I bought it from said that they are more powerful than the shimanos but I didn’t see it. Now I realize that the comparison I was thinking about was the initial bite you described. I do prefer there more consistent performance for feathering that the SRAM provides but I am put off that you need a special tool just to modify it. I don’t live near a bike shop, don’t have the confidence to maintain my own bike so I like durability and reliability. The shimano trivetrain has been bulletproof for me so I will stick with that. However I am leaning toward staying with SRAM on the brakes. Do they have a mineral oil version with a tool-less option?
@owensnicholas
Жыл бұрын
I found I had to be waaaaay more picky about derailleur hanger alignment with SRAM. I literally just found my XT derailleur loose. The mounting bolt was a couple turns out. Still shifted great. I like both, like you said. But it’s probably related to the complaint you have with sram.
@MavHunter20XX
4 ай бұрын
Shimano shifters are always trigger to release, it was, I think over a decade ago, where they started doing push to release as well. Always preferred shimano shifters, I like using the triggers shifters, not SRAM's push push as you would say.
@TheNationalTrails
Жыл бұрын
Shimano XT shifter/derailleur with Magura MT-5 Brakes. Sram X01 cassette. Sram XX1 chain. ( No center cassette issues with Shimano's B-gap design. )
@curveball9999
3 ай бұрын
Clint, I have been using the SRAM AXS Eagle XX1 drivetrain components for the last three years and I have always had one cog on the cassette (second largest cog) that stubbornly does not want to function as well as the other 11. I have tried micro adjusting dozens of times, but it's always the same cog that doesn't work quite as well
@HUKIT.
Жыл бұрын
SRAM does have the DB8’s which is mineral oil based braking system. I’m a sram guy so DOT fluid isn’t a dealbreaker over the performance.
@dash0173
Жыл бұрын
one thing that ruins sram for me is that while yes it seems they're moving towards more serviceable drivetrains, it fucking blows my mind as to how they thought having an unserviceable clutch was a good idea. i have gone through two GX axs clutches in the last year or so. they are great when they're new but after thousands of miles of riding, i cant make it any tighter and its so dumb. shimano's serviceability really sells it for me. I know srams brand new t-type drivetrain is serviceable but that shit costs an arm and a leg so i don't plan on buying that any time soon and its the only serviceable derailleur sram has in production rn
@jamesturner9858
Жыл бұрын
I really feel the biggest difference in these two drivetrains are the shifting and the ability to shift under load. With the shimano xt and xtr you can shift under load. You can now with the new SRAM transmission
@XCBen
4 ай бұрын
Great video, Clint.
@rickpreskey7654
Жыл бұрын
My SRAM brakes are mineral oil, they’re the DB8 and came on my new bike, I do prefer the Shimano brakes on my hard tail though they seem to modulate better.
@johncarrington8612
Жыл бұрын
The shimano clutch tension is adjustable and needs to be checked periodically, sram is not adjustable. I clean and check my chain weekly but I have had a problem with shimano when putting on a new chain. I replace the chain at .5 wear but the new chain will catch on the 10 tooth cog and cause the chain to skip. It seems the cog wears out too fast with my style of riding, I am thinking of trying to up my chain ring size to a 34t from a 32t so that I use the 10 tooth a lot less.
@thezonemtb
Жыл бұрын
I love my Shimano XT drivetrain and SRAM AXS derailleur on my MTB. :)
@thezonemtb
Жыл бұрын
@@Gericho572 It shifts excellent and I've had no issues at all. I had a XTR shifter on before I switched to electronic and I don't regret the change at all. That is NOT a slam on the XTR since it's a great shifter. I just like the electronic shifting better. Everything on the drivetrain is Shimano other than the AXS derailuer including the Shimano chain so I get the hyperglide benefit of Shimano. The only thing to be "careful" of is to not use the new SRAM B limit plastic tool as it won't set properly on the cassette, I just measure.
@jonroley7382
Жыл бұрын
For expensive brakes I go sram, cheaper I go shimano. Drivetrain currently have shimano on both my bikes but have had sram previously and do love the lock out, if you take axs out of the picture I would probably buy shimano 9 out of 10 times (unless I wanted wireless)
@mkenyon7429
Жыл бұрын
SRAM DB8 brakes use mineral oil. I looked at an XT equipped Trek Top Fuel 9.6 with DB8s. Then my Fuel EX came with Tektro Orion brakes. The have EBC pads with nice modulation.
@dolphin-studio
Жыл бұрын
another thing that I like better shimano over SRAM is that the low to mid end products shimano offers much better bang for you buck, with sram you have to get gx and upwards to get into the reliable groupset, not to mention sram is more expensive.
@Celereborn
Жыл бұрын
Shimano brake levers are the deciding faktor for me. They hook the fingers nicer.
@juanestebancardona9012
Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one with the problem you mentioned about that cog in Sram Eagle drivetrain. I was never able to index that speed correctly.
@ryguy1462
Жыл бұрын
Shimano XT Drivetrain and Sram G2 brakes, that's my favorite
@Elemiah777
Жыл бұрын
The cassette stagger is also different between sram and shimano. Sram has a huge gap between the 42 and 52 pinion. I also prefer the bite of shimano brakes
@carlp5351
Жыл бұрын
I prefer Sram for drivetrain. Really like the Axis wireless shifting. Shimano brakes are heads and tails above Sram. For flat out stopping power I prefer Magura M7 brakes, pain the ass to adjust and work one
@davidkinkaide1467
Жыл бұрын
One thing I’ve noticed in the SRAM vs Shimano discussion is SRAM has a very distinctive clunk sound when shifting while Shimano is quiet and smooth like hot butter.
@thim8009
Жыл бұрын
I always run code r brakes. Haven't tried shimano in over 30 years. If shimano drivetrain was on a bike, I would go with it. If sram was on it, I would go with that. I have noticed on my ebikes my shimano doesn't grind through the gears as bad though. I love xo the best, but if I had to buy it myself, I would go with slx with an xt shifter.
@ZRMTB
9 ай бұрын
Shimano everything for me. Easier maintenance and setup.
@anthonyvizzo1456
Жыл бұрын
Only reasons I care - I have the Shimano tools, so Shimano is cheaper to me in that respect. - If the bike I am looking at has SX or NX I will plan on replacing it, Deore is a keep.
@BelowAverageRazzleDazzle
2 ай бұрын
I have that same problem with SRAM cassettes. They all make noise in - I believe it's the 8th gear. Always sounds like it's trying to jump to 7th. Both my SRAM bikes do it. I also can't tune it out. Also, I am not a fan of SRAM brakes - at all... Shimano for the win here. They stop better and the fluid isn't toxic or harmful and the fluid doesn't suck moisture from the air like a vacuum.
@ClintGibbs
2 ай бұрын
Yep. That’s why my dream build project has Shimano XT brakes
@Officernoob
Жыл бұрын
I have both systems and on my xc bike with shimano, i almost exclusively pull up shifts with my index
@Officernoob
Жыл бұрын
I prefer sram drivetrain
@iulian2548
Жыл бұрын
Shimano cranks (due to the quality of SRAM BB), definitely SRAM XX cassette (XTRs are not durable), SRAM shifters (but I use a 2X11 and had to go for Shimano). Shimano brakes lack modulation and the lever is to small, so Magura brakes for me. Campagnolo chains, they last longer and don't start streching immediately like the others.
@piast99
Жыл бұрын
Isn't that loud SRAM cog the only one with the odd number of teeth?
@Peter-th7kx
Жыл бұрын
Since 2010 I have used complete SHIMANO XT drivetrain (2x9) with exception of CAMPAGNOLO C9 chain (replacement for CNHG-93 XT chain). CAMPAGNOLO chain can make 3 times more mileage than SHIMANO and shifting is as fast and accurate as SHIMANO chain😀
@MrCjrodriguez
Жыл бұрын
SRAM drive train no both bikes, but for brakes I use Shimano on one bike and Magura on the next one. I prefer o stick with Mineral oil brakes. One thing to note SRAM DB8 brake system does use mineral oil
@REB4444
Жыл бұрын
3:28 YES! Even on the highest level SRAM components which will piss you off wasting time trying to adjust. Very annoying considering how much the highest-end components cost. But they work great with minimal maintenance. 2:53 Being able to lock the derailleur to take the rear wheel off or replace a broken chain in the field is a deal breaker for me with Shimano because it doesn't have this feature. What a pain in the fricken-ass to be in the middle of nowhere trying to work on your bike.
@Leo-wf7qc
Жыл бұрын
Quick summary.. Drive train: SRAM Brakes: SHIMANO
@WhyteHorse2023
4 ай бұрын
While I can understand the technical comparison here, I just find it crazy that we're talking about hydraulic fluids on disk brakes ON A BICYCLE! HAHAHA! Does nobody remember the hell of pad brakes? Or how great it was when we invented center pull brakes? But really if your brakes are overheating on a bicycle you have bigger problems than what type of hydraulic fluid you use. Maybe drilling lots of holes into the brake rotor and making it tiny wasn't such a good idea.
@tomordr
3 ай бұрын
I don’t like the 10 tooth gap and 4 gear inch change on GX with lowest gears vs shimano has closer spacing down low where you need it and just a 2 gear inch gap.
@brianwilliams2907
Жыл бұрын
Lots of good info here, Clint. I prefer SRAM myself, but Shimano doesn't suck. As far as the brakes, I also prefer the better modulation of the SRAM brakes as I can scrub a little speed easier with SRAMs. You mentioned the Guides don't work as well as the Codes. Well, they're not really supposed to. The Codes are meant to be more of an enduro/DH brake, with more power, and the Guides and G2's are more of a Trail brake, with a little less power. I use both and they both work very well for their intended purpose when set up properly.
@ejhayes76
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you, I also prefer Sram for both systems. I love Code brakes. My main bike has Guide brakes, which I feel are a little underpowered even for a trail bike. They're more XC oriented in my opinion. Maybe the G2's have improved enough for trail riding. The Codes on the other hand, wow, they are phenomenal. I've only used them on demo bikes though.
@silver_c1oud
Жыл бұрын
Sram is Garbage
@Driftuner
Жыл бұрын
As a bike shop owner and mechanic and someone thats been riding for 20+ years, i would just go ahead, generalize it and give shimano the clear win on this one. Without going too deep into the details: they work better and more consistent, the are way easier to maintain and repair, the performance difference across the different groups are very minimal if even existent, and depending on where you are they are sometimes even cheaper. As a rider, my biggest issue with sram is the inconsistency with the gears and the brakes. As a bike shop owner my biggest issue with sram is just how difficult they make everything to work on. Adjusting the mech, swapping kassettes or chainrings, bleeding brakes...everything takes at least twice as long and require special tools. Extremly annoying. Ive even had XD kassettes braking theire tool fittment inside itself making it impossible to remove the kassette from the hub. Needless to say that wheel went to trash just because of some stupid sram xd kassette....and yes, sram already has some mineral oil brakes on the market. Had a customer bike with those brakes a couple of weeks ago at the shop. I also didnt know they existed tbh...
@Lee-ic2yn
Жыл бұрын
Looking at what you said, doesn't that just mean that shimano are ripping us off on the xtr and xt?
@lawor8
Жыл бұрын
Informative to hear your perspective both as a rider and a LBS mechanic. Question. Do you still favor Shimano on road bikes too and for the same or different reasons?
@Driftuner
Жыл бұрын
@@Lee-ic2ynpretty much. At that point you are just paying for less weight, but not necessarily more performance
@Driftuner
Жыл бұрын
@@lawor8 to be fair, my experience with sram road groupsets is veeery limited, so i cant really comment in that. Sram on road bikes are rare here in europe. If a bike doest have shimano, then it has campangolo instead of sram
@n1sm0r
Жыл бұрын
You could have just pulled the cassette off along with the freehub body still attached rather than “throw away a whole wheel.”
@ninjazzrhythm400
Жыл бұрын
After riding GX and XT, the XT fits my style. Sram do have mineral brakes, called DB8. They advertised it as code like power, but I really doubt that. I do like my Codes, but never thought of getting sram mineral oil system brakes. I have magura and XTR and they both overkill for my skill level. Both DOT brake oil and most brakes that uses mineral oil are toxic since they are based on crude oil and you're right that DOT are corrosive and I would gloves no matter what fluid I'm using. Only one mineral oil is based on plant based and it is very expensive and still toxic. I also like the matchmaker set up from sram and XT but the XT or XTR has a better design on their shifter.
@stephenlord599
Жыл бұрын
Baby oil is toxic ?? A little more than water if you want to define it that way .. drink a gallon and it will give you a very bad stomach
@silver_c1oud
Жыл бұрын
I Hope Next is Fox Vs Rockshox
@bignine600
Жыл бұрын
Shimano
@XCRiders
Жыл бұрын
I never use the 52 tooth so on my latest bike I went with the 11 speed sram xx1
@felixduprey
Жыл бұрын
Shimano 100%
@nickpethan3083
Жыл бұрын
Definitely prefer SRAM brakes on my fat bikes, they perform much better below 32 degrees. Shimano tends to lock up very quick in cold temperatures
@askdlfjw
Жыл бұрын
Shimano groupset with AXS rear derailleur absolutely money
@francoispaquin9996
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing.
@waldowsxxghostxx8577
Жыл бұрын
Is this current 2023 models?
@teecee4459
11 күн бұрын
I'm looking at choosing between both brands, and the SRAM DUB bottom bracket looks like a really good design. Anyone know if the GX Eagle tier is any good? By good, i mean nothing horribly wrong with it that would be a deal breaker?
@richardjohnston6688
Жыл бұрын
I've never had ticking on my sram gx eagle drive train . My drive train is now really worn out and still works fine still no ticking . Sram all the way .
@richtourist
Жыл бұрын
What would you say about the experience of working on them? I've only ever had $himano, and it has been a constant need to buy unnecessary 'special tools', and components are clearly altered to avoid compatibility and impose particular upgrade paths. For me it undermines a lot of the pleasure of keeping the bike in tune.
@ClintGibbs
Жыл бұрын
You have to be a lot more careful with the DOT fluid in SRAM. That being said, their bleeding edge technology allows for almost drip free bleeding which is nice. But you do have to buy their bleed kit. Once bled, I find that both systems require very little maintenance.
@renzlawmtb8305
Жыл бұрын
I ride both and I found SRAM clutch weak, chain slaps a lot and noisy on rough trails
@richardwebb3013
Жыл бұрын
SRAM GX has never failed me.
@discostu333
Жыл бұрын
That clicking cog thing on SRAM - it's usually one tooth that catches and which can be filed down. Problem solved.
@AskUncleLuc
Жыл бұрын
Is Sram and Shimano interchangeable? For example use Shimano derailleur with Sram cassette/chainring etc. 52tooth with a Shimano set up?
@stephenlord599
Жыл бұрын
Interchangeability/compatibility break at 12sp if you want the advantages of either 12sp. This assumes you don’t think an extra gear in itself is better. Let’s face it would having 5 fingers and a thumb on each hand be better ? In the same way are 52 or 10 cogs “better” if you never actually use them ? I run 32 front and 11-46 rear on all my geared bikes except the XC HT where I use 34 I rarely use either end because at one it’s no faster than waking and at the other on a tech trail I never have the opportunity to pedal at 30mph + for more than a few seconds before I’m braking Bigger range means a longer chain and more chain-slap and hassle for something I’d rarely use. More gears means more finicky… longer cages get caught and bent easier and more often
@sgtkurry
Жыл бұрын
I prefer SRAM wireless derailleur, Shimano Cassette gearing, and Shimano Brakes.
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