At least this guy didn't storm out of Alex's interview because they discussed climate change for an hour
@oosmanbeekawoo
11 ай бұрын
But then again these are the kind to sleep on your doormat all day to tell you stop using oil! Doubt he'd leave so soon!
@glebjohnson9057
11 ай бұрын
@@oosmanbeekawooYou are the idiot here. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of global emissions. It's about stoping them, not the little man.
@BWGmedia
11 ай бұрын
yeah he just dodged most of the questions and took no accountability for the bad actions of his movement, instead justifying it at every turn.
@Beer_Dad1975
11 ай бұрын
Dude keeps a bat'leth in his kitchen, wonder if he's ever heard about what the Klingons did to Praxis...
@5driedgrams
11 ай бұрын
I had to light a joint to watch that shit.
@nathanu6759
11 ай бұрын
I’ve never seen a interview with a just stop oil member, where they were actually able to speak without interruption.
@chazmcgooski83
11 ай бұрын
these guys speaking without interruption is a disservice to everyone’s intelligence
@HarryNicNicholas
11 ай бұрын
folks are "passionate"
@HarryNicNicholas
11 ай бұрын
i mean, lol.
@BlanBonco
11 ай бұрын
Never heard of them but big oil is basically sacred in the USA. Their own scientists predicted global warming and they covered it up. Don't like science be Amish.
@JamWard
11 ай бұрын
Neither have I! Sadly we learnt nothing new with having him speak uninterrupted, only that he's ever so slightly better than avoiding answering a simple question than the rest of his friends are.
@boianko
11 ай бұрын
I wish the JSO guy had gone into more detail about what kind of world climate change will bring about. It's borderline apocalyptic and I don't think most people really think about the specific type of suffering that will wash across the world. Mass refugee crisis, worldwide famine, political instability and very likely resource wars. It will be hellish
@losfogo7149
10 ай бұрын
That's where people don't want to look. I've been to areas that were flooded this year, helping with my enviromentalism group. People told us that they didn't like us, and that we wouldn't come to help, but when confronted with destruction like that many said they changed their minds. it struck me how this is what is needed. In my small town people are starting to recognize climate change because wild crops that were vital for the economy now are getting rarer, less snow means less ski days, less tourists, droughts ecc...
@eighteenfiftynine
8 ай бұрын
I wish he'd evidenced any of it, rather than just continually asserting that "many multi-kajillions will dieeee tho!"
@elkaki123
7 ай бұрын
@@eighteenfiftynine i mean, that wasn't the focus of the debate, Alex invited him to talk about the effectiveness and ethical implications of the tactics, climate change itself wasn't put on the table in itself Also, by this point I think everyone understands the huge death tolls come from forced migration and disruptions of the food supply chain, and Alex doesn't particularly have the qualifications or, I presume, knowledge in the topic to be able to challenge him in the science and studies around the numbers
@willth7305
11 ай бұрын
This guy: omg I'm such a huge fan! Alex: I have no idea who you are No better way to start an interview
@seanmcmichael2551
11 ай бұрын
@williamthomas So... I'm sat with headphones on, drinking a quiet beer in the pub, enjoying all the lengthy and well-evaluated comments. But then someone just has to go and disrupt that considered train of thought, by making me spray my beer everywhere ! They DID say it like that :-)
@PhysicsWithoutMagic
11 ай бұрын
Lol
@GrandmasterFerg
11 ай бұрын
So far... so good
@ionasmith1998
11 ай бұрын
I don’t think Alex meant it like that but when you put it like this it’s so funny 😂😂
@jaymills1111
11 ай бұрын
@@GrandmasterFerg 😂😂
@timcoombe
11 ай бұрын
This is the first Alex O'Connor interview I've watched, what a breath of fresh air. I have huge admiration for James Skeet here, and it was a relief to hear a rational and intelligent interview about Just Stop Oil, without the default outrage.
@undefined167
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. His argument about killing a baby on the road to potentially save BILLIONS of people had me fanboying 😍 Reminds me of another brave and intelligent fellow in Germany of yestercentury
@michaelmcgee335
10 ай бұрын
JSO causes outrage by their blatantly bad behaviour. They’re a bunch of entitled jerks that think they’re saints that’s about it.
@oktopuss2006
8 ай бұрын
@@undefined167 So if I understand correctly, because this guy is okay with the very small potential of someone being hurt in a protest that concerns millions of lives, objectively verified through many scientific channels, he is like Hitler? That is the most absurd and shit take I've seen in a while, and the fact that it has 8 likes is disappointing.
@undefined167
8 ай бұрын
@@oktopuss2006 🤓☝️
@AlphaMelGibson
7 ай бұрын
@@oktopuss2006 It is so deranged on so many levels, very sad. Im just gonna assume its a troll, to make myself feel better. A part of me wants to know where that idea came from.. the other part just wants to live.
@diaboloavocado
11 ай бұрын
This interview is a far more convincing argument for Stop Oil than all the disruptive protests so far. However... would this interview have happened without those disruptive protests?
@anteeko
11 ай бұрын
"would this interview have happened without those disruptive protests?" Interview, lecture, discussion on ecology happen all the time?
@cezar211091
11 ай бұрын
@@anteekothat's not his question. You're talking generals.
@anteeko
11 ай бұрын
"that's not his question. You're talking generals."@@cezar211091 Well it is totally possible they had interview without those protests.. the proof is interview about ecology happen all the time.
@Chloe575_
11 ай бұрын
@@anteekothis interview wouldn’t happen with normal lectures, studies, and discussions. There’s climate activists at every university, but no one really cares
@anteeko
11 ай бұрын
"this interview wouldn’t happen with normal lectures, studies, and discussions. There’s climate activists at every university, but no one really cares"@@Chloe575_ Really? I have seen many nothing new in this discourse. Those point have been discussed since 1980 with nearly the same sense of urgency.
@tamei66
11 ай бұрын
It is so refreshing to have someone like Alex who is able to act and interview in such a level of neutrality. People who can take their emotions out of conversations are way too seldom nowadays.
@raphaelnej8387
11 ай бұрын
Even his face is expressionless. He is so dedicated.
@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut
11 ай бұрын
If this is a quality people are looking for in interviewers I should probably change career paths
@picklesandcheese25
11 ай бұрын
@@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisButdo it
@robertaylor9218
11 ай бұрын
That isn’t always possible, but you can identify your bias, disclose it and try to account for it. This particular approach is irrespective of bias or opinion, because it is simply offering every reasoned challenge available. Which I do think is healthy.
@MarcoVos
11 ай бұрын
I whole heartedly support this. And I do think that there is a large audience for content that deals with the more current events discussed in such a manner and with a focus on philosophy
@joemunkey
11 ай бұрын
Super interesting to hear from just stop oil in actual proper conversation. I also get angry at the clips, but there's a part of me that feels acutely aware that I am being propagandised to with these clips. They're definitely not as bad as most people think and I could see them as the earliest example of something which will become much much more prevelant and important.
@_Shadbolt_
11 ай бұрын
To be honest I think "most people" just think they're very annoying rather than actively bad. But I do agree with your broader point that it's nice to hear their full argument, not just about why they're doing it (because I think most people do agree that we need to do something about climate change) but also why they use the methods they do, that part was particularly enlightening.
@burgerkiller4438
10 ай бұрын
❤😢
@johannesl8305
8 ай бұрын
i don't know how someone could look at those protesters and those clips and believe that they aren't VERY uncomfortable doing what they are doing. It's not for fun. It's not just for the thrill of annoying you... i would see that without knowing anything about them
@isiahs9312
Ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/wrCnrKWmZn9_pYIsi=acT-b7ZNC6eT_HV- You can clearly see the ambulance and them not moving
@robinthebobin6537
11 ай бұрын
It's always refreshing to see a good, balanced interview. In a world of short tv interviews designed to cause controversy for clicks, it's nice to see Alex providing a platform where people can speak, with intelligent pushback from the host. Credit to Alex for being a very good interviewer, who isn't afraid to push back against ideas, and to James for staying in the interview despite having his viewpoints challenged. After ahem a certain petulant, pompous c*nt who decided to leave an interview with Alex after being triggered by his questions. Excellent listen!
@robinthebobin6537
11 ай бұрын
Side note: I'm not going to talk about my opinions on JSO in a KZitem comment, because it's a complex and nuanced discussion. I have opinions about them, some positive and some negative. Some that I hold quite strongly, and some that I am still debating myself.
how much has alex spoken out against clown globalists locking down the world over a cough virus destroying the economy? or thebatch of rushed, untested chemicals? or the fact that the electio was provenly stolen? he even seems to be on the disgraced climate bandwagon hes a joke, denying reality in front of his eyes like anyone else whos a leftist these days
@wasdwasdedsf
11 ай бұрын
how much has alex spoken out against clown globalists locking down the world over a cough virus destroying the economy? or thebatch of rushed, untested chemicals? or the fact that the electio was provenly stolen? he even seems to be on the disgraced climate bandwagon hes a joke, denying reality in front of his eyes like anyone else whos a leftist these days
@uku4171
11 ай бұрын
I'm glad a respectful person will finally have a chat with them. I've never actually seen a good discussion, with them, so this will be a treat
@rep-vile
11 ай бұрын
That's the problem with using outrage, you get looped in a conversation about those actions rather than talking about the matter you advocate for. You have to at least be clever enough in turning that attention towards the goal, and keeping the focus on positive impact, I think just for example saying: "It makes sense to hate me and my actions, but it doesn't make sense to hate these goals to save our future, we all should be able achieve this right now". Just something to think about.
@uku4171
11 ай бұрын
@@rep-vile What point are you trying to get across that wasn't talked about in the episode? His whole point was that history has shown that pulling attention using disruption does work. I am not well-read on the topic, but given the examples he mentioned, it seems to work.
@rep-vile
11 ай бұрын
@@uku4171 I don't recall saying it never works, I'm not sure why you're upset.
@uku4171
11 ай бұрын
@@rep-vile What indicated that I'm upset? I just don't understand the point you're making.
@rep-vile
11 ай бұрын
@@uku4171 That's fine if you don't understand, you can re-read as much as you need if you wanted to.
@MrsBridgette2012
11 ай бұрын
Alex, it’s amazing how you can pick at a topic till you investigate it to the tiniest degree possible. How you can ask a question and listen intently and still follow up with another question. I mean most people would probably forget the questions that popped up during the conversation, but not you. You go back and continue with more in-depth questions. W2G!
@flywire76
11 ай бұрын
Great conversation. We’ll done to James for not rage-quitting after some mild to moderate push back and probing.
@FartPanther
11 ай бұрын
Yes credit where credit is a due😅. I think he had an opportunity for introspection and growth/concession that would have *demonstrated* the process he describes of careful seeking out the best ways forward. As it is he gave no ground even when obviously wrong which meant his pivot to "but here's the most important thing" came across as a tactic rather than the genuine thing that it is and the "we make mistakes all the time" as slightly hollow concession. James approaches it as an interview. Fair enough. But as he's got so much skin in the game he can't easily consider the possibility of changing his mind on anything and this comes across dogmatic. If he had engaged open mindedly on a single thing, then his unchanged, fully-defensible core message would have shone through stronger.
@BeheadedKamikaze
11 ай бұрын
@@FartPanther Yes. No less than six times when asked about the incident with the woman on the way to hospital with a medical emergency, he immediately dodged the question by deflecting to statistics. And then to completely ignore Alex's suggestion for a slight policy change after asking for it was quite frustrating to witness. It seems like a reasonable suggestion to have a policy that if someone's life is in imminent danger, get out of the way, and then resume the protest. What good is becoming the villain? Are these people really going to sleep soundly at night, knowing that "for the cause" their actions contributed to someone coming to harm? Reeks of cognitive dissonance. For what it's worth, I agree with the goals but like Alex, I don't know that it justifies the means.
@isupportthecurrentthing.1514
11 ай бұрын
You're obsessed with climate change !
@hannayapelekai1628
11 ай бұрын
@@BeheadedKamikaze "I don't know that it justifies the means" can't you just look at the data surrounding this topic, in order to figure out whether the means produce satisfactory ends?
@feihceht656
11 ай бұрын
@@BeheadedKamikazeyou mean you're having an emotional reaction, the data and simple utilitarian arithmetic will tell you whether the ends justifies the means
@caseh4235
11 ай бұрын
As much as I find these protests irritating when I am out in London, I imagine I would find 45°C summers, lack of crops and the deaths of millions due to climate crises a tad bit more irritating…
@kunikloy477
11 ай бұрын
The problem is, according to him, it will take years maybe decades to gain popularity and started working. But also according to him, if we don't stop it right now, the world is doomed.
@isupportthecurrentthing.1514
11 ай бұрын
You assume that these tactics are working . Perhaps they're having the opposite effect.
@The-Rest-of-Us
11 ай бұрын
Not like their actions are doing anything against the fundamental problem.
@caseh4235
11 ай бұрын
@@kunikloy477 Correct. That means we need to do something drastic ASAP because it’s obvious conventional methods do not work. We can’t just wait around for the planet to become inhospitable.
@isupportthecurrentthing.1514
11 ай бұрын
@caseh4235 There are many reasons why the planet may become inhospitable. Why should we focus on this threat rather than nuclear war ? Nuclear war is far more devastating ,and the solutions are viable , simple, and in everyone's interest. Are you just gonna sit there doing nothing about it ?
@lindacarroll5018
11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this interview.. Sincerity & integrity shine through - very respectful & civilised. In the face of humankind’s present critical issues, these discussions are crucial.
@josiahlopez5724
11 ай бұрын
I always appreciate Alex taking the opposite argument into these conversations. So often we just get talking heads with nothing to offer but their unopposed opinion or they are completely stifled by the main talking head.
@geoffdavids7647
11 ай бұрын
I think his stance was great, I just wish that he had done what James asked and engaged emotionally for a small segment of the interview. Somewhat disturbing, seeing him so emotionally removed from a topic that affects everything we hold dear so dramatically
@simonpajger1331
11 ай бұрын
That is what Alex always does, isn't it? And out of all the guests he had, just Peter Hitchens wasn't ready for that... :D
@attilatormasi1733
11 ай бұрын
@geoffdavids7647 sadly that is not how you do an interview. Because that is how most people do it. They get emotionally attached to their point and it will either become an echo chamber or a shouting contest
@davidknackmann
11 ай бұрын
i think its quite interesting that the point of braitain not having democracy wasn't further discussed. So many are aware of the extent of power special interests hold in "democratic" political systems but James putting it so bluntly was refreshing and I suppose it ought to be done more often. I was very sympathetic to the cause of just stop oil but having the whole reasoning behind their operations stated in such clear terms makes me want to support/join them.
@BWGmedia
11 ай бұрын
Perhaps I just view it differently but that came off as a cowardly answer that naively simplifies reality and avoids the question he was being directly asked. It seems like he was avoiding saying ‘yes if the majority disagrees we will decide for them. We know better’ because when asked he goes off ‘well we already don’t live in a democracy…’ before emphasizing that democracy is important for HIM, personally. The groups open stance on democracy is a little more radical…
@danmurraypiano
11 ай бұрын
I have to say this has definitely had a positive impact on my impression of this organisation, he handled the questions well and also was not as retaliatory and unlikeable as I have seen him previously. I think its important to do more long form discussions like this on this topic. Liked Alexs line of questioning too, but would like to see a future discussion on the actual climate science that goes passed the moral/ethical debate around just stop oils tactics
@GreenLarsen
11 ай бұрын
That is what actually surprised me. Alex a few times mention that he have not had the option to read a book produced by JSO. But considering that the actions by JSO are based on the scientific materiel in works like "WMO United in Science 2023" report by the UN. Why did he not read that? Is having a basic understanding of the scope of any problem not requirement before you can even start having the conversation taking place here?
@spiral-m
11 ай бұрын
@@GreenLarsen he is uninformed. Maybe he hasn't had the time but I don't think he really grasps the severity of the situation.
@BDnevernind
11 ай бұрын
Alex's obsession with the semantics discussion around the term genocide was perplexing. He seems to want to win these arguments more than he wants his audience to learn anything relevant. Thankfully the guest tried to keep the discussion on track.
@danmurraypiano
11 ай бұрын
@@marcosolo6491 compared to how I have seen him previously answer questions 😂
@therchas
11 ай бұрын
May I say that man’s spice rack is amazing. As an American I ask is that a Landry washer in his kitchen? Or is it a dish washer that looks weird?
@mrscolumbo4704
11 ай бұрын
Most UK homes have a washing machine in the kitchen because there isn't anywhere else to put it unless there is a utility room or cellar. 🇬🇧
@Pr0HoN
11 ай бұрын
Refreshing, important and rare interview. Good job, Alex!
@setharnaud7869
11 ай бұрын
It's only after listening to Just Stop Oil confront genuine challenges to their methods that I've come to somewhat understand their actions.
@betadecay6503
11 ай бұрын
And what have they achieved considering the laws just passed by our government? Absolutely nothing. Their actions are not justified because they're not effective in the slightest
@ResevoirGod
11 ай бұрын
@@betadecay6503You could say that about all forms of protest. Besides, how long have they been at it? How long did it take the Civil Rights Movement?
@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm
11 ай бұрын
@@betadecay6503I think a part of their activism is about changing the minds of lay people. Maybe they didn't get their PM to make any changes today, but the voters are suddenly confronted with the question "Why do I care more about a painting than I do about global catastrophe?" That's certainly how I changed my mind about them
@jamontoast1414
11 ай бұрын
did you not listen to the interview? @@betadecay6503
@andreasvox8068
11 ай бұрын
@@betadecay6503 And what will those laws achieve? If they disable protests like JSO they'll just encourage other groups to become more violent. Because if people are convinced that the current government(s) kill the planet and cause 200 million deaths, you better talk to them and convince them you do everything to avoid that outcome.
@artonio5887
11 ай бұрын
This guy weaseling his way out of the baby thing is not doing anything for him. It's showing a serious lack of responsibility from the part of this organization.
@MatiasMeno
7 ай бұрын
This is not at all the way I perceived it.
@danlopez.3592
11 ай бұрын
So nice that nobody interrupted this interview.
@nielsholmlassen8275
11 ай бұрын
Just gotta give so much credit to alex for the brilliant questions too
@PhysicsWithoutMagic
11 ай бұрын
Brilliant? He just said stuff like “why wouldn’t you kill people if that was effective?” Just a bunch of dumb hypotheticals, the answers to which are obvious
@Meowch3
11 ай бұрын
@@PhysicsWithoutMagic In a discussion of ethics, we're often interested not just in the answer itself but the justification of it.
@PhysicsWithoutMagic
11 ай бұрын
@@Meowch3 Duh. The justification is obvious: either (1) I don’t like killing/think it’s bad (worse than other stuff), or (2) I don’t think it’s an effective strategy. Both of these things the guest - entirely predictably - said.
@harryscarry6064
11 ай бұрын
Anyone else noticed the massive amount of appliances behind him.
@rjmunt
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, but he needs all those oil based products to help him bring attention to the world crisis. You don't (!)
@Kfdhjgethfdtgh774rvbjs
8 ай бұрын
That's called a kitchen
@harryscarry6064
8 ай бұрын
@@Kfdhjgethfdtgh774rvbjshilarious
@bayesian0.0
11 ай бұрын
As a canadian who had only distantly heard of the events caused by this org, I had assumed that group was a bunch of virtue signalling teens trying to get attention for teenager reasons. (In fact i didnt know the soup in the art museum and the cars getting blocked were connected at all). So to see this guy explain the calculus, in a way that seems more sane than almost anyone I’m used to talking to, is remarkable and extremely surprising. Basically a utilitarian argument for the negative attention being good attention for the more moderate factions on the issue? That is brilliant. I’m of course epistemically uncertain whether the research does support this and whether, in expectation, this does have a positive impact on the issue, but that is better than my previous position, which was just an assumption that these people were almost certainly being an embarrassement and harmful to righteous movements! Thanks for the podcast :p
@intetx
11 ай бұрын
It was definitely pushed by the bought media in a way to make it seem these are just virtue signaling teenagers. There is a certain air of doing things among such news.
@catStone92
11 ай бұрын
I will always say this on this topic. People only find acceptable the type of activism that they can ignore. Anything that forces people to stop and take stock of what's happening and anything that gets people talking about it is basically good for the movement.
@betadecay6503
11 ай бұрын
He didn't offer a single rationalisation for their actions. He alluded to thought going into the actions but he never gave an example of any deep thought. "Duur let's throw soup at art" is their idea of deep intellectual consideration. They are virtue-signalling idiots who need to feel important. He admitted to jumping from one cause to another, he just wants to be part of a radical group, he doesn't actually give a fuck about the issue. How many times did he mention the laws just passed on fossil fuels proving that their actions are complete and utter failures? They're achieving nothing but disruption and harm to the public. They are essentially a non-violent terrorist organisation and nothing more.
@andresgarciacastro1783
11 ай бұрын
"The media only talk about you if they can vilify you" sums it up.
@BWGmedia
11 ай бұрын
@@catStone92are you sure about that? ANYTHING? Like kidnapping people or murdering people? Sure terrorism gets people talking…but is that really good for your movement or your cause? I’d caution use of the word ANYTHING
@MalachiMarvin
11 ай бұрын
One of the best interviews I believe I have seen. Hard pressing yet calm and thoughtful. Well done Alex!
@PhysicsWithoutMagic
11 ай бұрын
What was good about the pressing
@spud2576
11 ай бұрын
I think both of these guys did a great job here. I agree with other comments that Alex could have engaged more emotionally with what was happening, but the questions he was asking was pretty hard hitting. I think they put Skeet in a difficult position as a responder, but I think he did really well answering while also staying on track and emphasising the magnitude of the trolley problem we find ourselves in
@davidgreen424
11 ай бұрын
Yes Alex looked totally unmoved when he heard about the fate of humanity and all living things , ignoring that point , then responding passionately about the semantics of the word genocide.
@ahmetsaidalkur50
11 ай бұрын
@@davidgreen424 yeah now that you mention it that bit felt really awkward, later alex explained himself by saying listeners might be distracted by the apparent misuse of the word but didnt manage to quite get his point across for skeet it was probably more like alex just being hang up on semantics while alex was probably just trying to help the guy out
@ElevenEightNate
8 ай бұрын
@@ahmetsaidalkur50 it's not just "semantics" when an entire belief system has been built around the use of certain words to achieve their goals. I'm a environmental scientist working in the energy and climate sector (have been since 2012), and the use of the word "genocide" regarding the government's action (or lack thereof) on the issue of climate change ultimately just cheapens the message and discredits those of us that are on the ground engineering practical solutions. Calling it "genocide" makes me understand why so many people don't take the activists' side of this argument seriously.
@bbhdd6181
11 ай бұрын
“we’ve got to look at the bigger picture here” in response to whether an infant should potentially die so they can protest
@bankmanager
11 ай бұрын
Can you not fathom a situation where that protest would be justified? What if it was 10 babies who were potentially about to die? What if 10,000 people were going to die? Or our government was about to drop a strategic nuclear weapon?
@TheEnderCycloneEnd
11 ай бұрын
Yes, but he would argue that unless climate change is stopped, millions of infants would die. However, it does seem like an ineffective strategy because that mother will sensibly never support his cause and will despise his organization and all climate activists
@hendrikd2113
11 ай бұрын
I would say their goal isn't the protesting.
@nigeltrc7299
11 ай бұрын
@@TheEnderCycloneEnd That exact same logic can be used to justify bombing a children’s hospital in the name of this cause.
@MattCrawley_Music
11 ай бұрын
@@nigeltrc7299not exactly... They're not purposefully hurting children.
@ubayyd
11 ай бұрын
Surprisingly pleasant and insightful interview.
@ryanxvx
11 ай бұрын
Spotted that Emperor poster right away.
@funa2865
11 ай бұрын
this was a kind of frustrating conversation because he wasn't really playing into the format. he was just going round in circles with himself. this conversation I swear could have been 20 minuites long with how many times the rep said 'fossil fuels are bad'
@etrs
11 ай бұрын
Is this guy allergic to giving a direct answer or something? All of your questions were perfectly clearly stated, and he weaseled his way around giving a genuine answer almost every time. I immediately distrust the honesty of any person who can't engage with a hypothetical. Thanks for the interview, this stuff illuminates the nature of these people further than anything I've yet seen.
@AntiTekk
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think it’s just an inherent problem of him representing the organization and not his own views necessarily. Even if Alex showed some problem with ethical consistency in “Just Oils”/This Guys’ views, he would have to stick to the position I mean he’d be fired and feel like he betrayed his group if he conceded on important points
@etrs
11 ай бұрын
@@sjewitt22 I am regretful that I am not enlightened to thine knowledge, O great wise one. I shall repent for the sins for I have committed
@Notalloldpeople
11 ай бұрын
I don't disagree with his cause but his unwillingness to deal with the specific sick baby scenario was disingenuously hid behind a smokescreen of hypotheticals - similar to the Peter Hitchens tripe. He could have said that JSO would not knowingly prevent someone accessing urgent necessary medical attention. If he can't say that, then JSO must accept that people have the right to assume that the reverse is true and its tactics are not non violent. @@sjewitt22
@mikeelliott886
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for saving me from watching beyond the halfway point. Was already getting frustrated with the inability to respond to the question directly. Ironic for a Just Stop Oil spokesperson to be incapable of giving anything besides a "politician's" answer!
@HowManyToasters
10 ай бұрын
wrong. even people who are concerned with climate change hate these braindead "activists". they do literally nothing to further the cause they proport to care so dearly about, in fact they actively harm it. bunch of virtue signaling rich kids, none of them actually care about the environment, they just want the social status of being on the 'good side'@@sjewitt22
@Gjermund-Sivertsen
11 ай бұрын
Wow. Good interview without annoying interruptions. I think it was fine that you did not knew the ups and downs about your interocular.
@Drenwickification
11 ай бұрын
I’m halfway through this interview and no closer to supporting these guys. He keeps talking about how their tactics are effective but didn’t the exact same thing happen a few years ago but the signs read ‘insulate Britain’ - if the tactics are effective then what results did the insulate Britain campaign yield? I think also when he talks about the aim of their actions being to spark public debate etc… I mean climate change isn’t something that people haven’t been aware of, is it? It’s been one of the top political issues for a long time now, long before just stop oil arrived. So how useful is it to just try and promote the issues around the environment? I think also that their focus on stopping production of oil is short sighted. If the uk stops producing oil, that doesn’t magically mean we will stop using it, just that more will have to be sourced elsewhere. Why not instead focus on ways in which usage of oil can be reduced so there’s not even a financial incentive to drill for it?
@bankmanager
11 ай бұрын
To be fair, labour who are likely to form the next government, have pledged to aggressively insulate British homes as a result.
@eddiebaby22
11 ай бұрын
Well done guys! Interesting conversation 👍
@ryon3989
11 ай бұрын
I’m not sure the violence question was addressed well enough. If someone was blocking your right of passage (sitting in front of your car), is that non-violence? Or what if they punctured everyone’s car tyres? Is that violence? If damage to property is violence, shouldn’t preventing someone from utilising their property to get from A to B also be considered violence?
@andrewdixon2730
11 ай бұрын
I guess that is where the law finds a difference between violence and nuisance. Nuisance is normally not criminal but results in damages being paid
@natzos6372
10 ай бұрын
That would only be a reaction to a much greater violence which would make it self defense
@ryon3989
10 ай бұрын
@@andrewdixon2730I see. I just wonder when nuisance becomes violence. If I block your only house door, preventing you from leaving, is that nuisance rather than violence? I feel like me swearing at someone is nuisance (annoying) but not something to be criminal. However, blocking someone’s right of passage is not allowing them to use their own body (‘my body my choice’) and therefore this seems to imply it is violence. In this sense, maybe it’s semantics, nuisance shouldn’t require damages to be paid- in reality though most legally defined nuisances are actually acts of violence, it would seem (imo). Especially when nuisance includes causing “injury” - seems so stupid to make that different from violence.. causing someone injury is definitely violence, right? Seems like the laws are a bit silly in that regard
@ryon3989
10 ай бұрын
@@natzos6372can you clarify what you mean- self defence from which party?
@andrewdixon2730
10 ай бұрын
Legally, nuisance isn't something that is 'annoying' it is preventing somebody from enjoying property 'reasonably'. When it comes to injury, the difference between violence and nuisance is generally intent. I don't really see any reason why you would want to broaden the scope of violence to include these things, they are both punishable offences and I see a clear distinction between the two. @@ryon3989
@MasaTheSlayer
11 ай бұрын
Nice we have an Emperor fan, at least he häs good taste in music!
@authenticallysuperficial9874
11 ай бұрын
Great questions from Alex. Too bad James didn't answer a single one of them.
@BleepBlop-rh9lm
11 ай бұрын
He is a fanatic and probably getting paid good by whoever is funding them. They have zero scientific proof.
@geoffdavids7647
11 ай бұрын
I think part of the problem was that Alex was trying to get James tied down in absolute statements about hypotheticals. James was recognising that this type of nitpicking is wholly unhelpful to what the reality of climate change is like, connecting with that properly, and realising how important it is that we do something. You are counting ants on the ground while a herd of rhinos stampedes towards you. Perhaps a better strategy, one that would feel more honest but still communicate the needed points, could be if the interviewee explains they will first answer the question directly, but then subsequently explain why it isn't a useful question, why it distracts from the important stuff.
@gokulnaththeboss08
11 ай бұрын
@@geoffdavids7647i think he didn't even like that kind of protest personally and just don't want to picture bad about the movement volunteers.whatever the methods of they are using currently is ineffective and we all know for that fact.they should own that this kind of protest is bad and try to change the strategy instead of telling them they have exhausted everything
@lordcraven1397
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate the thought and drive behind the protest but from what I’ve seen, their methods seem a bit misguided though I’m still interested in hearing their side of the story.
@philipnorthfield
11 ай бұрын
How could they be more effective or achieve what they want in a less disruptive or dangerous manner?
@lordcraven1397
11 ай бұрын
@@philipnorthfield no my point is that they’re being very disruptive but toward normal workers going about their day and not the billionaires who run big oil
@opensocietyenjoyer
11 ай бұрын
@@lordcraven1397try walking up to a oul billionaire and do that without ending up six feet under
@philipnorthfield
11 ай бұрын
@@lordcraven1397 I understand your point entirely. I merely asked if you had any ideas what they could do to be more effective or achieve what they want in a less disruptive or dangerous manner. Do you approve of those protests that don't involve normal workers going about their day ?
@falcongamer58
11 ай бұрын
@yonaoisme "I can't stand up against the big guy so let me bully the small guy"
@itsviney
11 ай бұрын
So good to see a calm, in-depth interview with JSO. One thing I wish had been asked regarding the hypothetical situation with a parent trying to get their child to hospital for a medical emergency: If the disruption and potential harm to the disrupted is justified by the urgency of the cause, if that parent decided to drive through the crowd of protesters to get to the hospital, would the harm caused to the protesters also be justified/acceptable collateral for the greater good? I assume he would need to say yes, but given the attitude some motorists seem to have to the group, it could be taken as a dangerous green light.
@KieranLeCam
11 ай бұрын
Talking about the baby in the car: 41:06 "we don't know if there was an actual emergency" Then check. Have someone walk up to the car, and look. Let the mother explain. And make a call. Talking about the science is easy. But you can DO science on the spot, in real time. By just... checking.
@BleepBlop-rh9lm
11 ай бұрын
it's clear that he's willing to sacrifice a baby's life for his "scientific 100% proven" claims.
@LeZylox
11 ай бұрын
I thing the tonality of the woman made her seem like she was just capping
@Anthony-hf6bb
11 ай бұрын
That was sheer political, and potentially legal, arse-covering. As an official spokesperson fronting the media on Just Stop Oil’s behalf, of course he would’ve been privy to all the known details about that incident within the organisation. If he says “well we did speak to the driver and it was determined that it wasn’t an emergency so we didn’t let them through”, Alex rightly replies with “who are you to determine what’s a real emergency”. If he says “we didn’t speak to the driver at all” then Alex says “surely when faced with the potential of a real emergency you’re duty bound to make a determination to let them through”. Instead of any of these avenues of question, he does the age old political dodge of “I don’t know. I wasn’t there”. He also really seems to struggle with the word IF. Alex poses several hypotheticals surrounding this topic of emergencies in civilian vehicles and the guy ducks and dodges and refuses to engage with the specific set of circumstances that are an incredibly common occurrence in every city on the planet. All he can say is to the best of their knowledge there hasn’t been a serious incident. Yet.
@y0bo3000
11 ай бұрын
@@LeZylox thank god they analysed her tone to know 100% that her baby was okay. Next time someone tells me they're sick I WILL pay close attention to their intonation to make my diagnoses.
@LeZylox
11 ай бұрын
@@y0bo3000 yeah you should that's how communication works
@helloitsnicko
11 ай бұрын
Hey, new viewer here. Just wanted to say this; your objective interview style is a breath of fresh air in a world of noise. Cheers.
@Zahlenteufel1
11 ай бұрын
I wonder if the "not answering the question and instead rattling of talking points" is a learned behaviour resulting from 6 minute TV slots or a planned tactic. I mostly agree with him but I just hate the dodging of questions a lot.
@macmac1022
8 ай бұрын
I dont think its a new thing. Just think of socrates taking the hemlock instead of exile. He was probably so sick of the denial he just did not even want to live in the world anymore. I feel the same way.
@lewischristie2285
11 ай бұрын
Also on the point of no-one being hurt, someone was suffering a stroke and could not get to hospital because of these people.
@ThornForTheWynn
11 ай бұрын
While that's awful, how many will die or have their lives ruined because of climate change? I hate to say it, but the ends of preventing mass death or extinction justify the means. Would I prefer no one get hurt? Absolutely. But why are the many that will suffer due to climate change so constantly disregarded?
@maskingtables
11 ай бұрын
If that level of indirect consequence is taken into account then simple Protesting would be made completely illegal. You don't want that, trust me.
@BleepBlop-rh9lm
11 ай бұрын
@@ThornForTheWynn First of all, what would change if they let him go to the hospital? And where is their proof?
@21area21
11 ай бұрын
@@ThornForTheWynnall I see are terrorists. And I don't particularly like the idea of appeasing terrorists. Even the greatest cause can be tarnished by such spiteful acts. If oil companies are actually funding this, it would be a brilliant and stupendously frustrating move.
@MrHammer9
11 ай бұрын
@@ThornForTheWynnI’m pretty sure there are less climate deaths than ever. When have you ever heard someone die from climate change lately other than an old woman dying from the cold in her house because she can’t afford gas
@DaboooogA
11 ай бұрын
Great discussion thanks
@mumdangerous
11 ай бұрын
I think what frustrates me so much about these conversations is that the question of proportionality isn't addressed. Alex came close a couple of times and Skeet even addressed it in particular when he said that overtly violent activities not only would not be used but wouldn't be effective. But Alex seems to interrogate this question as 'Well, you are annoying a bunch of people and using misplaced language. Is that worth it?' The answer, at least morally speaking seems 'of course.' Because if you believe the science and understand what exactly is happening, then stopping up a few roads at rush hour seems hilariously trivial. So Alex can't say 'look this isn't a big deal.' Instead all he can say is that the optics are bad, which is exactly the point. Skeet cited data and gave clear examples of why they do what they do and even then Alex seemed to be saying that he's on the fence about the moral clarity of the situation. And to be clear, I'm not a protester and I too would be pissed if I got stuck in traffic. But I had hoped Alex would grapple a little more strongly with the actual underpinnning of the arguments instead of simply engaging with the tactics on a high level. When he said that he got mad just watching the protests on KZitem, it seemed to give away the game: sure this is a big deal and very important and I agree, but I'm gonna be late for cricket. All of that said, I genuinely appreciate the conversation Alex had and I think interrogating the harder questions is important. I just don't quite know if Alex is doing a devil's advocate thing here, or if he just doesn't think protesting will work, or if he genuinely doesn't think there is a problem worth of a protest. Regardless, at least I understand Skeet's position much more clearly and if that was the point then kudos.
@Tomtainius
11 ай бұрын
I think your final paragraph explains this video pretty well. I don’t believe Alex’s views are of great importance when guests like these are brought in. I appreciated this interview leaning more towards a discussion than a debate
@Sui_Generis0
11 ай бұрын
He made this exact point in his first douglas Murray interview
@peterchangco8806
11 ай бұрын
Alex did admit that he doesn't know anything about this person and the actual movement and only knows them through social media and news articles so it might explain the lack of questions with actual gravity..I guess a follow up conversation might be nice between them..
@plebiain
11 ай бұрын
I was going to make a comment on my own but honestly you've summarized my exact reaction to this episode so I'll simply leave a message of agreement here. Kudos!
@Lee-nl1tg
11 ай бұрын
I agree
@jjl8456
11 ай бұрын
Beautiful conversation. Alex is really painting the imagery here. I never heard of them until today yet I now know the way they think and what they have done. The art piece is also scary as lost art is lost art. The baby scenario will live in my spirit for long. The imagery. Hi Alex it is JJL, your newest member.
@pawys5792
11 ай бұрын
We will lose all art if we dont stop climate change.
@santiagocingolani2455
11 ай бұрын
How did you comment 9 days ago? Was the video private?
@MiloMay
11 ай бұрын
@@santiagocingolani2455 patreon
@hitchen1
11 ай бұрын
@@santiagocingolani2455 I guess they got access from patreon early?
@aguerrero
7 ай бұрын
I found the interview to be very informative, and a chance to better understand JSO and the broader environmental movement strategies. Thank you. James and Alex had a good back and forth. It wasn't easy at times, but I think you both made an extraordinary effort to debate the issues, the trade offs, the options available, the short and long term consequences of those options and risks, the ethical concerns associated with them, the use of language. Bravo. It's an important issue that affects us all.
@glorytoarstotzka330
11 ай бұрын
while waiting at the bus station, a friend of mine popped out of nowhere and asked me what I was watching. I told him I was watching a podcast about controversial topics, but it was within reason
@NoahPurdyFR
11 ай бұрын
As somebody who is very concerned about the climate I absolutely despise Just Stop Oil's campaigns, respectfully.
@tannerman46
11 ай бұрын
What should they do instead?
@tomthecasual5337
11 ай бұрын
@@tannerman46 thats the right question. i always feel like most people essentially say "ok thats fine that you warn us of what is to come, but do it in that corner where you don't bother us, please" this is what scientists and activists have been doing for atleast 40 years. and they have been mostly ignored by the masses for 40 years.
@rufus1346
11 ай бұрын
I just noticed, he has a Klingon Bat'leth on the wall above his sink 🙂 My son has two of those on his bedroom wall forming a cross.
@natzos6372
10 ай бұрын
its sad that people care more about condemning just stop oil instead of the politicians and companies destroying our future
@RaveyDavey
11 ай бұрын
The UK has reduced CO2 production down to levels not seen since the 1860s. And all of that has been done NOT by stopping oil and gas production. The UK stopping oil drilling won’t change the amount of oil being burned. The only way that could happen would be if we produced such a significant amount of the worlds oil that us stopping made the price rise. That would cause huge inflation. UK oil licenses are red herring.
@william4996
11 ай бұрын
I'm 13 minutes in and I just can't stand that he won't bite the bullet and say "I am fine with the possibility of a baby dying if it means aiding in stopping the destruction of our planet." Because I'd respect him a whole hell of a lot more if he did.
@gokulnaththeboss08
11 ай бұрын
Then they would clip it and paint it as child killer
@anteeko
11 ай бұрын
The problem is if you think the world is about to collapse then you can justify anything..
@GoldenMechaTiger
11 ай бұрын
@@gokulnaththeboss08well now he's just a child killer and a liar
@william4996
11 ай бұрын
@@gokulnaththeboss08 Well... if he's willing to allow a child to die to keep raising awareness for his cause, he isn't a child killer but he's willing to cause the death of a baby for his cause. That's just fact. I don't even think that's necessarily an evil thing to do, I just think waffling about it is worse.
@ROBERTBROWN090564
11 ай бұрын
If you look at the science the world IS about to collapse. Have you looked at it?
@togborne
11 ай бұрын
Peter Hitchens is listening
@matt69nice
11 ай бұрын
Hope he's smoking a fat doobie
@TimOrton-z9n
9 ай бұрын
How eloquent and calmly sophisticated Alex’s questioning was. Also it was a mature discussion without too many circles in the chat..Shame that Juststopoil have such desperation in their actions including in this interview where there is blatant lies about nonviolence occurring. Now, all around the world tactics are used by protestors, police and members of the public to do with Juststopoil. This is embarrassing and must stop asap in 2023/24 !?
@MrMamfbr
11 ай бұрын
41:05 The closest of an answer he gave was... "was she really in an emergency?". Bingo. that's how they think. They think they can be in a position to judge. You are not in that position. You have to accept face value, you are not a judge. You forced a situation where you simply do not have the authority to decide for others.
@Kohanman
11 ай бұрын
can you prove she was really in an emergency and can you prove they didn't move out of the way...no cos you are basing your entire argument on a single clip that verifies your biased presuppositions, probably released and propogated by the rightwing media swill u consume on the regular.
@BWGmedia
11 ай бұрын
Gotta love he can recall and confidently share details that make his ‘side’ look a little better ‘well it wasn’t long.’ But reiterates ‘well I wasn’t there’ when pressed and cornered into taking ANY accountability. Interesting he can confidently recall and stand by certain details
@Johnhamsta
11 ай бұрын
As a long time viewer and enjoyer of your content, I implore you and your audience to understand the severity of the situation. Just as the White Rabbit was late to his appointment with the Queen, so too are we to our appointment with saving a survivable environment for most life on Earth. Action must be taken.
@agingerbeard
11 ай бұрын
God I hope you try and block us getting to work again. Not gonna be like last time 😘 bring a towel...
@NeneChan203
11 ай бұрын
Loved hearing a deep conversation from both perspectives. It's really a difficult topic to deal with, and I think I can agree with both Alex and James on various points. Excellent interview and excellent food for though, well done Alex.
@mcgreedz
9 ай бұрын
“I can't recall a single ‘campaign group’ that has maintained this level of prevalence in the media for this amount of time.” - 12:25 Yes, terrorism does seem to get a lot of media attention. It's not exactly something to be proud of.
@colton9016
11 ай бұрын
I notice he uses an extremely wasteful Keurig machine for his coffee🤨
@tosieunleas
10 ай бұрын
When you dumb it down is some paint on a wall and soup on paintings that serious in comparison to the fall of human and animal life, this generation is plagued with ignorance.
@AttarProductions
11 ай бұрын
Excellent interview, I must say. Glad questions like these were posed, and the responses carefully tendered.
@garrickditlefsen1653
11 ай бұрын
Everyone be careful. There are a lot of JSO shills on here trying to fluff the positive reviews, harassing people who disagree, soliciting propoganda and trying to recruit people with skewed info, at least one using the name and image of Alex himself. Pretty shady stuff, don't trust them
@FaustVaz
11 ай бұрын
Dude has more power hungry appliances than the average person
@garrickditlefsen1653
11 ай бұрын
Everyone be careful. There are a lot of JSO shills on here trying to fluff the positive reviews, harassing people who disagree, soliciting propoganda and trying to recruit people with skewed info, at least one using the name and image of Alex himself. Pretty shady stuff, don't trust them!
@mkr4646
11 ай бұрын
Have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette, eh James? What’s your omelette though? Seriously, what is your alternative to oil usage? He talks about how climate change will lead to civilizational collapse, but what does he think ceasing oil will lead to? And do you think China and Iran and India are just going to stop too?
@asdfghjkl2261
11 ай бұрын
> He talks about how climate change will lead to civilizational collapse, but what does he think ceasing oil will lead to? Well said. This is what I always get hung up on too. There are so many people flinging the term "tu quoque" around, but if *this guy* isn't willing to learn how to live without oil, what hope can he possibly have for the rest of us? It renders the whole movement absurd. Yes, we desperately need to stop being reliant on oil, but we can't "just stop" it.
@domsnow6418
11 ай бұрын
The Emperor Poster in the Background 🤘🏻
@anthonyleon6576
8 ай бұрын
Glad someone else saw it, thought I was going crazy haha 🤘
@muzorewi
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for bringing this individual on. It's important to understand how the minds of extremists and ideologues operate.
@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065
11 ай бұрын
While i admire the intentions, i think it's naive and only superficially good, if you 'just stop oil' a lot of people around the world will suffer from the economical consequences, it's impossible to suddenly move away from oil, only a progressive transition is possible and even that is quite hard. Considering what i just said, you're not saving anything or anyone by suddenly moving away from oil, i think it's evil to ignore the consequences of such actions, and no, environmentalism isn't an excuse, if we keep going down that rabbit hole, humans are better off extinct, that way the environment is surely saved (until the next big asteroid hits the earth at least) and i really can't agree with this, I'm only for preserving the environment in a way that's mutually beneficial for everyone, not to the detriment of my life.
@gmark007isGianmarcoMaioli
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely enjoyed this interview, and I’d say it was quite needed as most of the times JSO representatives are granted little time to explain their views. I think both sides raised fair points and the whole discussion was balanced and, from my perspective, “complete”. The only thing I would’ve loved to be covered, and may have been brought up at the end, is the common response from the “public” of “How do you expect to substitute oil?”, mostly referred to goods. Aside from that, this interview helped me understanding JSO more, and I honestly sympathise them more than before.
@ascgazz
11 ай бұрын
Is that a Klingon battle sword over his kitchen window? Is that how far he’ll go?
@richardguyver6676
11 ай бұрын
How much oil was used in creating that kitchen and all its appliances?
@rjmunt
8 ай бұрын
This fsct upsets me greatly.
@Pyriander
11 ай бұрын
One interesting thing is, that often Media and interviewers talk about ‚their points, opinions or causes“. - wich is not exact. They just call out and repeat, what science can extrapolate from the data we have. It’s the same science (physics, meteorology, math, chemistry, geophysics, computer science) we use to send sattelites into orbit or put you in an x-ray or MRI (->it works) that tells us: we have to do something NOW.
@GreedySpeculator
11 ай бұрын
Alex, THE most frustrating tendency I've noticed among the guests you've interviewed is their unwillingness to deal with hypothetical objections. I don't know what it is, but people resist mightily the invitation to answer hypothetical questions. I detected this hesitancy in Konstantin Kisin, it was expressed with utter relish by Peter Hitchens, and the gentleman here was guilty of it as well @13:19.
@authenticallysuperficial9874
11 ай бұрын
Yep. Most people aren't used to honest dialogue. They always need to lie and cling to their group
@crazyprayingmantis5596
11 ай бұрын
Because they're good at giving the politicians answers a politician will never answer a hypothetical question
@MaxKosenko
11 ай бұрын
Because people with public agenda and some success can't all of the sudden stop, think and agree they were wrong all along and now need a time to process it and change their course of action. Never happened. Its a public suicide. They can feel where those hypothetical question might lead. They don't want to die.
@Aquaticbadger
3 ай бұрын
Is that two different coffee pod machines behind James?
@Ma55ey
11 ай бұрын
This was probably the most balanced interview with a just stop oil protestor ive seen, so well done for that.. and its not often you see a klingon Batleth on display in general media... i just dont understand what gluing yourself to the m5 to protest climate catastrophe actually achieves.. it would be like me throwing eggs and my neighbours in protest to the palm oil industry... i might feel completely justified in doing that, and belive that i need to get the message out. It might feed my narcissistic urges to feel like i'm more awake than the dumb consumers around me.. but ultimately im not changing anything.. other than pissing off my neighbours..
@simonpeyton-n3h
11 ай бұрын
the fact hes getting interviews like this is progress in getting the message out
@baxterwilliams2170
11 ай бұрын
Getting interviews like this should be what they hope to achieve. I'm worried though that this type of thing is not their goal.
@Ma55ey
11 ай бұрын
@@simonpeyton-n3h you're implying that people are unaware of climate change? This type of interview is rare and will not be seen by most of the general public..
@simonpeyton-n3h
11 ай бұрын
@@Ma55ey people are aware to a certain extent but most dont grasp the reality that the whole world cud be seriously negatively effected within our lifetimes,the stress and speed of modern living blinds people to even short to medium forward thinking,not being 5 mins late to work is more important than the medium to long term health of our planet
@simonpeyton-n3h
11 ай бұрын
@@baxterwilliams2170 so what is their goal?
@kokopelli314
7 ай бұрын
Focusing on the medical issue. One could say that if there was any disruption to any medical issue that any person may have by anyone including corporations and governments, either directly or indirectly through time space or media, Then those responsible for those delays including politicians, administrators, corporate ceos or citizens should serve a jail term. When people understand that this would never happen then people can understand the gross imbalance of power within a society.
@Soylent1981
11 ай бұрын
I support Just Stop Oil and their tactics. I think they are being much more thoughtful and concerned about the welfare of their fellow humans than the groups they oppose.
@Beer_Dad1975
11 ай бұрын
The irony of stopping traffic so thousands of cars and trucks are sitting their idling spewing out all manner of toxins into the local environment and poisoning everyone breathing that shit in whilst protesting for the environment to me speaks to a lack of awareness on the part of the protestors. He says no harm has come to anyone - well, not sure if I believe him, but regardless even if that is true, I'd say it is more "no direct harm" - but I'd expect the health even of his own protestors has probably suffered from breathing in nitrous oxides and so on, let alone say, some old lady with a respiratory problem sitting in her car behind a stinking diesel truck for 3 hours.
@HelliarCOH
11 ай бұрын
Absolutely excellent questions.
@patrickdowney2778
11 ай бұрын
Did anyone else fantasize - even momentarily - about pouring orange paint all around the guy's kitchen?
@BleepBlop-rh9lm
11 ай бұрын
I'd say what I'd do to him but youtube will block me.
@LeZylox
11 ай бұрын
You need to be able to stand over retaliation, that just furthers violence. You have to empathize with their cause an reasoning
@TheFranchfry
11 ай бұрын
Another great episode. Alex, the production quality continues to be top-tier!
@Zahlenteufel1
11 ай бұрын
Phantastic questions and respectful, non-escalatory pushback! Good job, as usual, Alex :)
@kidlotus1095
11 ай бұрын
Get the sense that Alex was quite lenient, not really pressing either the lack of direct answers or calling out ethical grey areas
@spotable2
11 ай бұрын
What part of "the world has already started to burn" dont some people understand.
@nigeltrc7299
11 ай бұрын
That’s an emotive, hyperbolic and ultimately meaningless statement.
@Hector-bj3ls
11 ай бұрын
It's the "already started to burn" bit I think.
@DonutOfNinja
11 ай бұрын
@@nigeltrc7299in what way is it hyperbolic?
@sirdogegd9567
11 ай бұрын
@@nigeltrc7299 sure this is just one single example but hawaii was on fire a few months back, something that was definitely exacerbated by climate change
@nigeltrc7299
11 ай бұрын
@@sirdogegd9567 There’s absolutely no way to prove that. Stop using individual events to prove your point, it’s dumb when deniers do it and it’s just as dumb when you do it.
@ChristopherWaddelow
11 ай бұрын
Well, I greatly appreciate this interview. Very casual, and it is good to know what JSO is about. Real question for anyone out there who agrees with JSO. Why is this problem more serious than any other problem? Edit: Thanks James for showing up to the podcast as well, if you happen to read this!
@Nmc01236
11 ай бұрын
It's not necessarily that this problem is inherently more important any other problem, it's that the climate crisis has incredible global consequences for inaction, combined with an ever decreasing time frame in which we can even attempt to avoid those consequences, combined with what feels like an incredible lack of care from those who actually have the power to fix it. If another issue had those same factors contributing to it, I think we would see people protesting for it's resolution just as forcefully as we do for the climate crisis.
@andrewdixon2730
11 ай бұрын
Predictions of 2 billion climate refugees. Given 1 million climate refugees has brought Europe to the brink of populism 2 billion has unimaginable consequences to the rest of the world.
@sebben13
11 ай бұрын
My guy listens to Emperor, respect from Norway!
@robroy488
11 ай бұрын
"We're right on the cusp of irreversible disaster" Also... "Dont forget, we've been implementing these tactics for 50 years"
@matthewdozier977
11 ай бұрын
I was hoping to see a view of this organization that is ignored by the media that would challenge my views of them. This only solidified my view that their message is shallow and their methods are unacceptable.
@ZStone99
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the insightful interview, Mr. O'Connor. I do wish, however, that Mr. Skeet's foundational beliefs had undergone deeper scrutiny. How did Just Stop Oil formulate their alarming predictions? Which scientists and what data support their assertions? It's intriguing to see such immediate concerns, like the annual million deaths from lead poisoning, potentially overshadowed by their focus. While future crises shouldn't be ignored, current ones warrant equal attention. Additionally, when examining climate models, it's vital to weigh both best-case and worst-case scenarios. It's essential to remember that implementing the changes Just Stop Oil advocates for will also have profound implications, both positive and negative, on human life and our environment.
@nunoraimundo
11 ай бұрын
What a coward little man. He could at least be upfront and admit plainly that he values his general cause over the life of certain individuals potentially affected by the protests, as if they were unfortunate collateral damage. But instead he avoids the addressing the question directly like a weasely politician. Utterly disgusting.
@jl789nz
8 ай бұрын
I think there are still ways of creating disruption and awareness with out increasing the risk of a life threatening situations by causing traffic jams.
@jrwsaranac
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the discussion. I really need to see more evidence that these demonstrations actually do more good than harm.
@wilhelmvonn9619
11 ай бұрын
You won't see any.
@robertjusic9097
10 ай бұрын
how can you see evidence of people changing their mind? This is not a process that does visible change. The change happens when people start researching about oil and realize the benefits and consequences of it
@jrwsaranac
10 ай бұрын
@@robertjusic9097 Polls, voting patterns, money flow to advocacy organizations are all reliable trackers of public sentiment.
@definitelynotcole
6 ай бұрын
Alex, as to the reason why I do not believe the "EXAMPLE" (not the child) of the endangered child has any relation to or weight in this discussion is because anyone on the road puts children in the exact same risk. Anyone who supports the construction of these roads and chooses to use them puts children in the exact same risk. Meanwhile, by comparison to the activity they're interrupting (road usage) these protesters put a single child at risk in comparison to thousands of child deaths/major injurys a year due to cars. You can argue that these deaths are due primarily to irresponsible actions by irresponsible drivers but if you take that approach then just as the protesters are being held accountable for the actions of a few, drivers should be held accountable on the same ethical grounds.
@why772
11 ай бұрын
Great interview and questions by Alex, shame that the guest didn’t have that many answers or explanations other than ”you have to understand the crisis that we’re in”.
@garrickditlefsen1653
11 ай бұрын
Everyone be careful. There are a lot of JSO shills on here trying to fluff the positive reviews, harassing people who disagree, soliciting propoganda and trying to recruit people with skewed info, at least one using the name and imahe of Alex himself. Pretty shady stuff, don't trust them
@tom5720
11 ай бұрын
It’s painfully obvious that just stop oil is the minimum amount of disruption that is needed
@S4ntia60
7 ай бұрын
His response when asked about the mother and the baby really tells they are willing to have blood in their hands
@oumtjackawillie
11 ай бұрын
I think James in this instant would benefit from admitting that "genocidally" might not have been the perfect word, in the purely linguistic way Alex (almost comically) was refering to. But James was in fight mode and fought every issue as if backing up in any way would be a strategic loss. - I think he might have overconsumed literature on group-behaviour written before social media.
@facelessdrone
11 ай бұрын
If you were in his position you'd do the same. Every time they attempt to discuss their points of view they are attacked, its only natural instinct that he'd react with the assumption of more maliciousness than there was, it literally is about survival for them.
@buffalowt
11 ай бұрын
@@facelessdroneit may be about survival for them and by extension all of us but I need to know the views and thought process of the spokesperson of this group if I am to put any of my weight behind it. They sidestepped questions and did not answer some that had the potential to put this person in a hypocritical or self serving light.
@LeZylox
11 ай бұрын
It's not about the definition of the word, its about the conceved perception of the word, and this perception is describing it pretty well!
@oumtjackawillie
11 ай бұрын
@@facelessdrone I agree that if I was in their position (trying to save mankind against all the capitalist forces on Earth combined) I'd be stressed too, for sure. But since I'm not directly, I can hypothesize that this "Win EVERY arguement" tactic might be suported in literature, but his audience is on Tic Toc and like puppy and baby eye-filters. I felt good in my tummy when he reminded us that he only was human and that he'd probably react like any other human being. I was provoked when he talked of how the end justifies the means. If they (and by extension, mankind) are gonna win, they are gonna have to be more neferious and manipulative. They already have the underdog role, don't waste that.
@thrasymedes1
11 ай бұрын
I can’t focus on the conversation because I’m so distracted by the guest’s camera being out of focus.
@zuluhyena305
11 ай бұрын
It seems they don't care about their own optics. It doesn't matter to them if people hate them, all they care about is making sure that the issues they care about are in the forfront of peoples minds
@bladdnun3016
11 ай бұрын
Seems pretty admirable to me.
@wailbam
11 ай бұрын
@@bladdnun3016 Yes, but the same could be said about any terrorist as well really.
@billbob6247
11 ай бұрын
I don’t think climate change has become to the forefront because of them, though. I think all that comes up is that these kinds activists are shit heads. All press isn’t actually good press.
@williams.5952
11 ай бұрын
Meh. It more often distracts from the issue or (at worst) makes the activists seem silly and contemptible.
@williams.5952
11 ай бұрын
Which is not far removed from lowering the public estimate of the issue itself.
@jay13thstep
11 ай бұрын
Just stop oil guy would make an excellent politician- he doesn’t answer the questions posed to him, just drops pre-rehearsed stats and hopes the audience fill in the blanks in his favour. He was polite enough and I enjoyed the episode, but I find after watching this I dislike Just Stop Oil even more.
@LukeFosbury
10 ай бұрын
This is such at catch-22 situation between being hated for the ways they gain exposure, but in turn, being given opportunities to discuss their cause; I think that James did a great job articulating his goals and methods, despite my dislike for the way they go about it.
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