It feels like every good character in RWBY is either bearly used or dead. Or both
@jetblazethunder3596
3 жыл бұрын
IRONWOOD FOREVER
@יותםשקד-ג3ל
3 жыл бұрын
Raven got pretty much booth for the show
@johnyoutuber9781
3 жыл бұрын
Or mangled, and butchered beyond any recognition...
@kaitlnwhite6809
3 жыл бұрын
Pyrrha, Torchwick, Team CFVY, Sun, Neptune, Qrow, all the students from the Vytal Festival tournament, Raven, Sienna, Kali, Penny, the list goes on and on. Can’t wait ‘til we get to see how Tyrion gets butchered.
@buffgarfield3231
3 жыл бұрын
One idea that I wanted to make a video about is the dynamic of Ruby and Yang in volume 1-3, vs their dynamic in volumes 5-8 (since they didn't really interact much or at all in V4). If you watch the early volumes Monty directed, and to a lesser extent volume 3, Yang and Ruby feel natural. Like, in one of EruptionFang's videos he mentioned how they should bust each other's balls and come across like they've known each other forever. I think in volume 1-2 they succeed tremendously at this, but scenes like this almost never happen in Volumes 5, 6, 7, and 8. I think the main problem with the core RWBY team is that Yang and Ruby didn't get much in the way of back ground prep time/story. Weiss and Blake got a lot, but Blake wrapped hers up with a bow by herself with some help from Yang at the end with Adam. But Yang herself really has no story, and her biggest moment of weakness and flaw in the show, was done by a character who is now dead. For that reason, Weiss remains the only interesting member of RWBY because she's the only one who still has an ongoing arc, and the only one who can continue to grow. Ruby and Yang need a back story and drive explored, and Blake needs a reason to exist post-Adam.
Well Cinder got some plot reinforced Aura and endurance during the finale, somehow took that away from the protags along with the relics.
@JacksonJinn
3 жыл бұрын
"Good friends are there when it's needed, not just convenient." *SUN.* Good video but I couldn't help growling at the screen this is *exactly* what made Sun a good friend more than anyone in RWBY.
@courtneycalvert185
3 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@SallinKari
3 жыл бұрын
And then they shoved him out because his fights were expensive to animate and they could make room for bumblebee.
@johannesseyfried7933
3 жыл бұрын
@@SallinKari Why not be even more progressive and make it a Poly Relationship at that Point? 😆🙄 I hate to quote Tumblr, but "Blake has two Hands".
@SallinKari
3 жыл бұрын
@@johannesseyfried7933 Hey, it might have a little spice. I feel that bumblebee as they did is just... so they can say they did it. Those two are so bland together -_- If you're going to have relationships... put some god damn effort into them, otherwise don't bother... Though same could be said for many of their plot points.
@marichatismynameandladynoi1990
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree I just re watched s4 and sun feels more like a friend to Blake than the rest of team rwby yeah he followed her and invaded her privacy but he did it to make sure she was okay and stuck around even when he almost got killed multiple times I’m sad we didn’t see him this volume except for in ep 5 for like 1 second
@PaintedLive
3 жыл бұрын
I just wish they didn't lose to team rwby. its like, the guys are the best of the best losing to highschool dropouts.
@SallinKari
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, they were only 'dropouts' because their school blew up but yeah, that's what I had a problem with since season 4. The main girls are just the most powerful huntresses in the entire world, so it feels like everyone else has been nerfed into oblivion or are just retarded. Can you think of a single huntsmen that they just bump into and doesn't join their group that showed any level of competence? These are the professional huntsmen who have been doing this for years.
@goodevening412
3 жыл бұрын
@@SallinKari Thats a big prob that i have with this show. They make team RWBY completly OP when theres no reason for them to be OP or it dosent make sense with the skills of their opponent.
@SallinKari
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodevening412 Qrow should have been the only reason they weren't horribly murdered by Tyrian rather then someone he mostly fights then Ruby cuts his tail off and he is allowed to waddle away. Would have established they were out of their depth since they were in the 'real' world and there are people a lot more skilled then even Pyrrha which was the previous standard of strength... and one I don't think anyone has managed to reach since the great nerfing.
@the_nephandi4551
3 жыл бұрын
@@SallinKari Actually, the fight against Tyrian in Volume 4 is rather good : he simply destroys them 1 vs 4, and then goes into an even fight against Qrow. That was realistic. But the power level totally disappeared with volume 5 and after that, because Qrow became part of the team and therefore couldn't be that stronger than the rest of the his partners I guess...
@SallinKari
3 жыл бұрын
@@the_nephandi4551 You mean where the entire team stands around with their thumbs up their ass? Then Qrow and Ruby stares at each other for like seven seconds until he gets stabbed and then just looks at Ruby again. I can not agree that was a good fight.
@jigguscak
3 жыл бұрын
IMO the Ace Ops are the 2nd best characters in the Atlas arc (Behind Season 7 Ironwood)
@younggod5230
3 жыл бұрын
wouldnt it have been interesting if winter remained loyal to ironwood and died fighting side by side with him?
@AlexisDevilman
3 жыл бұрын
It would've been glorious.
@blueteam4021
3 жыл бұрын
Nah because that would force Weiss into grieving about her sister and we can't have the main cast develop and grow obviously.
@buffgarfield3231
3 жыл бұрын
@EruptionFang One idea that I wanted to make a video about, that would be kinda pointless because I have like 11 subscribers and 0 videos, is the dynamic of Ruby and Yang in volume 1-3, vs their dynamic in volumes 5-8 (since they didn't really interact much or at all in V4) If you watch the volumes Monty directed, and to a lesser extent volume 3, Yang and Ruby feel natural. Like in one of your videos you mentioned how they should bust each other's balls and come across like they've known each other forever. I think in volume 1-2 they succeed tremendously at this, but scenes like this almost never happen in Volumes 5, 6, 7, and 8. I think the main problem with the core RWBY team is that Yang and Ruby didn't get much in the way of back ground prep time/story. Weiss and Blake got a lot, but Blake wrapped hers up with a bow by herself with some help from Yang at the end with Adam. But Yang herself really has no story, and her biggest moment of weakness and flaw in the show, was done by a character who is now dead. For that reason, Weiss remains the only interesting member of RWBY because she's the only one who still has an ongoing arc, and the only one who can continue to grow.
@pykeembers1575
3 жыл бұрын
I've said this before, but I really do appreciate these deep dives into characters rather than just watching someone react and bitch about everything. I feel like I appreciate the ace ops more now thanks to this. Well done
@terrencemoldern2756
3 жыл бұрын
It’s very funny how people dislike Harriet so much even though she is one of the most well written characters in the show. Meanwhile they like ruby because they have to like ruby cause the show is called rwby
@mawkishwarden172
3 жыл бұрын
Seriously. Why was it only these five (plus Winter)? Atlas, out of all the Kingdoms, are the ones who have most integrated their Huntsmen into an actual organised force. Why the hell aren't there entire platoons' worth of these teams working in conjunction with Atlas' other soldiers to do their jobs and actually help out during the evacuation? Why did Ruby's group have to pick up the slack? Where is the actual chain of command, other than just Ironwood being on top?
@JinzoTK
3 жыл бұрын
I am going to stop watching RWBY and just watch your videos on them. When you cover RWBY I am filled with hope, intrigue and excitement. When I watch the actual show, I am usually saddened and disappointed.
@jacobreichert6239
3 жыл бұрын
To me the Ace Ops really helped bring me back into RWBY. To me they carried the spirit of original couple of volumes. Of them I think elm is the weakest as her semblance just seems to be a weaker version of vines and her weapon seems to similar to Noras.
@GarnetDust24
3 жыл бұрын
Adding in the FFX music to try to make the aesops likeable was sneaky af
@outlawedsoul8553
3 жыл бұрын
Almost feels like whatever it is they are doing to these side characters is what they should be doing to the main cast, think about it, almost everyone has loved side characters more because they brought something to the table, actual depth of character that made them shine,but the main group doesn't so they end up butchering the actual loved characters for some damn reason.
@zhistoriaprzezzycie1756
9 ай бұрын
What pisses me off about the entire history of the Ace-Ops unit is that they were so easily defeated by our main characters. Which in a normal world should be impossible in my opinion. Our heroes are Hunters-in-training who never completed their full training due to the Fall of Beacon. Sure they had gained some experience along the way thanks to all the battles they had been involved in, but that still couldn't compare to an elite team of fully trained Hunters who had completed dozens of missions and operations of various types. This should give them plenty of combat experience and skills that would allow them to outshine Team RWBY in every aspect. And yet, for some reason, our heroes managed to defeat the elite of Atlas' army, several times. How? It's simple, plot armor. Since our "heroes" are the main characters of the series, there is no way they could lose. Conclusion: Ace-Ops were nerfed for story purposes. There is no other explanation for this in my opinion.
@konstellashon1364
5 ай бұрын
And there was a literal way to justify nerfing them - say that their Auras were already low before the fight. Put it on a screen in the background or have James warn them before leaving the room.
@ShadoWolfe
3 жыл бұрын
Peeps who are wondering what Backround music is playing its Never coming back from violet evergarden
@WeissM89
3 жыл бұрын
I get your points but I don't care about them. I can't. They were treated as mere obstacles to make the main characters shine because the plot demanded it. They were relegated to a side plot and were constantly stealing screentime from the main plot, and unlike with Raven and Ironwoods, they felt like disposable characters from the beginning and I never got attached to them.
@ArklusDryxal
3 жыл бұрын
The bomb would've killed Nora, she isn't in the pocket dimension or Vacuo, that is all, have a nice day
@theculturallyenrichedindiv8753
3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@darkice60000
3 жыл бұрын
nora was actually in the pocket dimension directing people through the big portal to vacuo at the time. the very next scene after vines sacrifice is the one where jaune tells her to go to vacuo to get backup. so naw
@ArklusDryxal
3 жыл бұрын
We didn't see her in Vacuo unlike the rest, we got to see Winter in Vacuo though
@darkice60000
3 жыл бұрын
@@ArklusDryxal you don't see her again for the latter half of the episode. shes banging on the portal at like, the very end of the episode. and its pretty stupid that she didn't help out her friends at all as they're presumably dying right in front of her so its completely understandable to assume that she just wasnt present.
@balloonear2479
3 жыл бұрын
violet evergarden ost i love it
@jamesmitchell311
8 ай бұрын
Elm makes sense. Nora's parallel. The girl who gets a whack amount of screentime, a lovable but not extremely deep (in the sense the devs didn't try too hard with her) character that has never even had an actual fight. Sorry, we're supposed to be talking about Elm...🤷🏾♂️🤭
@c.w.crawley6668
3 жыл бұрын
TL;DR : The AceOps are better protagonists than RWBY.
@Mariusweeddeath
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the attempted connection/comparison between the Ace Ops and RWBY is hard gotten and forced. They are similar in aspect; yes, but it feels more like a stretch in by the audience rather than a subtle attempt by the writers to do so. Whatever similarities they held doesn't hold for too long and is basically surface level. Also, at least half of the video feels like a condemnation of the RWBY characters by proxy rather than just a discussion of the Ace Ops and their development. A point that I think was missed and sort of hard to really understand thematically is the tie of Winter being the Winter Maiden and how that shaped up to be in the story and thematically. If you remember back to V7, they made it clear that Ironwood had chosen the successor of the maiden powers and had basically put that plan into motion. Winter was the only one allowed to see the Maiden for her treatment and care and was also the only one who had any actual tie to her. V7 ends with Penny getting the powers and Winter just being sort of left to deal with the aftermath of having her superior's plan go to waste and her sister being labeled as an enemy. Then V8 begins with Winter just seeing the problems of Ironwood and just sort of going along since her change in character isn't supposed to happen yet. By the end of V8, she has actively disobeyed and betrayed Ironwood but really only manages to succeed against him by the appearance & acceptance of the Maiden powers. How does that work thematically? It basically sets up that Ironwood's plan was right/goal was right for Winter and that her becoming the Maiden was a correct choice by Ironwood and the rest that allows her to succeed. I think there is some thematic elements being missed since Winter implies that there was something of pride when she finally realized what Ironwood's plan was and her role in it but then becomes so in defiance of him.. What? I'm really lost with that and feel like other people would be better at discussing it.
@martinhernandezdominguez8561
3 жыл бұрын
For me the Ace ops as a group left me with the same feeling as the white fang, "good idea, shit execution". There’s nothing in the group that tells you these guys are on a different level than regular hunters. It just tells you they’re better than there are in atlas and then make a fool out of them.
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
But on the plus side, their losses helped them grow as characters and as a team. Ironically they are better at being main characters than the actual main characters. But I see what you mean about the execution and you’re right. If volume 7 could rewrite the ace ops, it could be a good idea that instead of making them “the best hunters in Atlas” make them second or third year students of Atlas Academy, that way they can still act like the military and work under Ironwood since he is the headmaster and keep that upperclassman relationship they have with the main cast. As a bonus, because they are also students, it wouldn’t be so unbelievable that they lost to team RWBY because of their flaws. They can develop as characters without the complaints that they should have won.
@reecedignan8365
3 жыл бұрын
@@enderbrawler6576 Actually having the Ace Ops be the highest academy students would make more sense. They are not full on Hunters but the highest of the academy’s senior years. It would make them the Young Guard of Atlas Military. While the Middle Guard are made up of Atlas trained Hunters and Huntresses and the Old Guard made up of the Elite and most Veteran of the Atlas Hunters. This would make them an elite troop but still give them that youth and inexperience and the chance to learn and make mistakes. It would also be good as this could play into the fall of Mantle and Atlas arc too. Why does Ironwood turn to nuking the city? Cause his elite units in the middle guard and old guard are gone. Killed holding the line and now with the city overrun the best option they have to potentially wipe out the greatest number of enemies + force Salem into a regeneration period would be to nuke the city and take whatever surviving academy students and soldiers to the next kingdom to make another stand. You can have the conflict of these guys having to step up and take the place of the veterans as such their loyalty is almost doubled due to the stress of the situation, but at the same time they are still young and conflicted as these are their people and they don’t want to abandon/kill them
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
@@reecedignan8365 Yeah, that makes their story sound way more compelling, trying to live up to their superiors which explains their almost stubborn loyalty to Ironwood while also keeping Ironwood as a morally grey antagonist who is backed into a corner and just wants to save what’s left of Atlas and Mantle.
@reecedignan8365
3 жыл бұрын
@@enderbrawler6576 Simple as, If I could rewrite Ironwood arc from season 5-8 I’d of had him wrote similar to General Kerensky of Battletech fame - if you do not know of this character and wish to learn about him, may I suggest watching Tex Talks Battletechs two episodes on the Fall of Star League and The Amaris Civil War.
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
@@reecedignan8365 Yeah I’m a bit uncultured so I don’t don’t really know who that is. But you peaked my interest on it, I’ll give it a watch.
@MoCa1979Jr
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree about Marrow, who's clearly the Ace Ops' counterpart to Blake. He's a dog to her cat faunus, has a "dark" complexion compared to her "pale" one, & his faunus trait is "low" on his body, while hers is "high". Marrow "defected", like Blake did by running away from team RWBY twice. She also uses her emotions to make decisions, like when she attacked Roman (when Sunn wanted to infiltrate his meeting w/ the White Fang), or ran away from Adam (after he harmed Yang). And Blake's semblance "leaves a copy to take a hit" for her as she retreats, while Marrow's semblance basically forces him to "stands his ground". Plus he joined the military as a "token" faunus for society, while Blake rebelled against society as a member of the White Fang. He's always been a proud faunus, while Blake initially hid that part of herself from her teammates.
@lexleighanthonylatorre4786
3 жыл бұрын
I haven't looked at his semblance that way. Standing his ground instead of running away? That's really amazing!
@TUCell-ps5mi
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, and instead of fighting from the outside in rebellions Marrow would change their opinion from the inside, a good soldier and honest man
@MoCa1979Jr
3 жыл бұрын
@@TUCell-ps5mi Indeed. And unlike Blake, he didn't do it from a "privileged" background (as she's the daughter of a former White Fang leader).
@firepuppies4086
3 жыл бұрын
@@MoCa1979Jr Blake turning into a princess kinda hurt her backstory a bit...
@MoCa1979Jr
3 жыл бұрын
@@firepuppies4086 Indeed. It made her going thru "hardships" almost laughable. Plus it made everyone else seem stupid for not knowing that she was the "princess" of the White Fang.
@dblundz
3 жыл бұрын
Well that's kinda RWBY for you. Something good ends up wasted or dead... or both. Shame, cause i liked that spiritual guy and the tank lady.
@absanchez777
3 жыл бұрын
Them only seeing each other as coworkers already made no sense as in real life, Special Operations teams see each other as family and a band of brothers.
@pandanator6681
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. What’s made immensely clear by the Ace-Ops is that the writers have no clue how the military operates. This is a profession where you need to trust others with your life, it’s a profession built on cooperation and loyalty. I’m sorry, but no, especially on a team like this, you aren’t “just teammates”, not when you’ve gone through the shit I’m presuming they have as special forces. Man, I mean even the effort soldiers go through just to secure the bodies of *DECEASED* comrades is truly incredible, and I doubt this would happen if soldiers didn’t naturally develop unique relationships that are far deeper than “just teammates”.
@c.ccarlhead5744
3 жыл бұрын
It also didnt make sense to how Ironwood leads the kingdom. Yeah he's no-nonsense. But he's not no-emotion. It just makes me wonder why they chose to make them seem robotic qhen the top of the top himself isn't a robotic type of man.
@TheNoybusiness
3 жыл бұрын
@@pandanator6681 Ironwood wanted them more loyal to him than each other. Apparently he had hidden paranoiac tendencies already, given his comment about "chasing a lot of shadows over the years". .
@carbodude5414
3 жыл бұрын
Bu-bu-but MILITARY BAD! /s
@ZyroShadowPony
3 жыл бұрын
@@pandanator6681 you know whats weird: dont they have a few employees with military backgrounds like geoff?
@jhenekim3576
3 жыл бұрын
for a volume that is centered around creation they surely weren’t as.... creative
@falconeshield
3 жыл бұрын
YEEEEEAAAAAAAH
@bustedmusketproductions357
3 жыл бұрын
*guitar riff*
@DocMicrowave
3 жыл бұрын
Good one!
@АнтонДегидонов
3 жыл бұрын
That reminds me, what's your favorite idea =))
@usernotfound_____yet
2 жыл бұрын
@@АнтонДегидонов mine is being creative
@RenSenpai7
3 жыл бұрын
Underutilized. Undermined. Underwhelming unfairly. Yeah. They're a few things
@kingraplhmativo5178
3 жыл бұрын
Also underestimated character cause they lost to Team RWBY👍
@RenSenpai7
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingraplhmativo5178 BIG facts. Easily. Side note. Hope you're doin well mate 🖤
@vanquese8947
3 жыл бұрын
Forgot they existed
@RenSenpai7
3 жыл бұрын
@Brandon H #TeamWhitley!
@kingraplhmativo5178
3 жыл бұрын
@@RenSenpai7 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
@vitoralmeida5496
3 жыл бұрын
This just made me feel worse about the writers make them lose to RWBY when they could've easily made Ruby and the others retreat after noticing that they can't take them, but I guess the main team can't have a loss....
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
Or if they did fight, they lost and had to retreat. It would’ve made the ace ops a goal that team RWBY have to overcome in the next volume. It would make team RWBY grow more as a team and discuss their team dynamic. But weirdly it seems to be the opposite, that fight was the start for the ace ops’ arc of having them grow as a team to get them to develop as characters while team RWBY was the goal they had to reach. It’s ironic, even though the ace ops are side villains, they have a better arc than the main team.
@vitoralmeida5496
3 жыл бұрын
@@enderbrawler6576 True, but they refuse to make team RWBY have flaws for some reason, even yangs PTSD to adam was shoved aside when she met him I don't think the ace ops arc changed because of that fight, they never adressed it between them and was only brought up once when they met again, by the ace ops winning it would not only make it a goal but also make them a real obstacle to team RWBY since they winning only made they look like a joke when they confronted them again
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
@@vitoralmeida5496 Yeah you’re right, it was a real missed opportunity from the writers. But the only way for RWBY to develop then they have to have flaws which like you said, they apparently don’t have any. For team RWBY to lose they would have to have at least a flaw that they can learn from. If team RWBY could have a flaw I might suggest a lack of trust between them. After all the reason they became fugitives in the first place was because Blake and Yang went behind their backs and sided against Ironwood. This could disrupt their teamwork and allow the ace ops to take the victory. Then they spend the beginning volume 8 split up for a while like in the actual volume and begin to think about their actions. They then can come together and learn to trust one another again, growing as a team. I know it might not have been worded too well, but the point still stands that team RWBY needs a flaw to throw them off their game, allowing them to further explore their team dynamic and begin to grow closer as teammates.
@dfct9494
3 жыл бұрын
@@vitoralmeida5496 well this show isn't that good, it has really good moments that show potential but most of the time the majority of people will just remember the cool fight animations, it's really a shame.
@donnovandalusong266
3 жыл бұрын
Cuz plot armor
@StarGazerINF
3 жыл бұрын
One thing that I wished they explored with the Ace-Ops was there former member, Tortuga. For anyone who doesn't remember, Harriet mentioned before Marrow joined, there was another Ace-Ops named Tortuga. This interested me because of how this character could've effected the Ace-Ops. It was stated that Tortuga died but the it was never directly shown how this character's death effected then rest of the team. Specifically Harriet as Tortuga was probably her partner due to the whole Tortoise and the Hare story. Maybe she's so broken up about Clover's death because she's lost another teammate and friend. I think this could've shown why Harriet and the rest of he Ace-Ops are the way they are, because they already lost someone close to them, and they never what to feel that pain again.
@Jacob_G9
3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be Poetic is if the reason Harriet is so about following orders is because she once....Wasn't? Like she'd follow some, but would make her own judgement a-lot, Usually for the best, But sometimes it resulted in problems, Grimm getting to close to Atlus or Even inside of Mantle, Destruction of property, But she still kept doing it. Until the Day she Got Tortuga Killed. Harriet and Tortuga were separated from the rest of their team, Given the orders to stay where they were and to not engage a Grimm, Yet she did anyway, leaving Tortuga behind, She ends up killing the Grimm And retuning to where Tortuga was, Yet not finding her, She searches for a bit, And eventually find's Tortuga, Lying down, unmoving. This breaks the Poor girl, Making her unable to not follow orders or else fear that the rest of her team will die.
@slimetank394
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob_G9 damn, i want a whole episode or 2 just for Harriet alone
@StarGazerINF
3 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob_G9 OMG, I can't believe that I never thought about that scenario happening. It's really good. I had my own idea about Tortuga and Harriet's relationship being a rivalry and two always pushing each other to be better. One day on a mission, instead of Harriet not following orders, it was Tortuga who didn't and he was killed soon after. This event would've cemented Harriet's and the others always following orders philosophy.
@Jacob_G9
3 жыл бұрын
@@StarGazerINF ....I Like that one Too, and it makes just as much sense!
@swiftstrike4044
3 жыл бұрын
You have your ideas fanfiction make it happen
@Arcjaw
3 жыл бұрын
Side characters in RWBY are so much better than all of the main characters at this point
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
Meaning something is VERY WRONG
@mrsamuel5572
3 жыл бұрын
Bingo
@tonywentworth9652
3 жыл бұрын
@@mrsamuel5572 When Monty died everyone at Rooster Teeth ran around yelling "I got an idea for a great character." Management was like, "Sure, why not? We will fit them in somehow."
@TheVTable
2 жыл бұрын
Which is probably not saying much
@XSasuken22X
3 жыл бұрын
It sucks that the best characters in rwby are everyone but rwby
@buffgarfield3231
3 жыл бұрын
Well Weiss is still pretty great but otherwise I agree
@lukejones7164
3 жыл бұрын
Weiss is still likable but yeah lol
@joshuaottley7902
3 жыл бұрын
Well, yeah, because if you're a good character, you die.
@corpoheathen2128
3 жыл бұрын
Weiss schnee sipping tea at home all while the atlas soldiers are fighting and dying at the wall in order to protect atlas
@buffgarfield3231
3 жыл бұрын
@Games Eh, the writing is wonky in V7 and 8 in general, so I won't let that affect my opinion of Weiss. At some point I might just decide I don't care about those volumes and never rewatch them.
@gladiatorking9009
3 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem the Ace Ops had were that the writers seemingly kept vilifying them and saying that their beliefs and motives are wrong simply because they are opposing team RWBY. I don't know why the writers hate morally grey situations and characters, even though that's when the show is at its best. You can have good and evil, but that doesn't mean you can only have good or evil. That does not mean black and white characters cannot exist or be interesting; but reducing characters to such a simple and extreme trait only, just to make your flawless main characters more interesting, all that does is make every character less compelling and hurts the story. Instead of bring down characters just to keep others morally superior, focus instead on creating character development for everyone. Or, if a character does derail, at least make it make sense so the audience can understand how a character can fall from grace.
@SaiyanGamer95
2 жыл бұрын
You know what's funny? I was googling "protagonist-centered morality" and the first suggested searches that popped up was "protagonist-centered morality RWBY".
@zoroblackzoro7696
3 жыл бұрын
The ace ops were a great concept like most things in rwby which is a reason I'm still watching the show. But the writers just don't fully bring out their concepts or maybe their not capable of doing it. I don't know just my opinion.
@bootlegcrusader1773
3 жыл бұрын
I agree Rwbys biggest problem is just communicating it’s ideas and concepts and following through with characters, all the elements are there they just aren’t put together very well
@jayhill8892
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The writers genuinely have some great ideas, but then utilize them poorly. It's been a running issue with RWBY for a while that there's some genuinely great stuff in the show, but due to extremely questionable choices in terms of storytelling, character development, and screen time, it gets lost in the shuffle and the show suffers for it.
@chukyuniqul
3 жыл бұрын
@@bootlegcrusader1773 I disagree. The biggest flaw of the show is the utter contempt the writers have for the audience. We may only experience the show in the EXACT way miles and kerry envisioned it and if our interpretations don't line up with that they will just gut them in an attemp to force us to have no other perspective. Just look at ironwood's actions through v7 and 8. And add to that the prevailing attitude behind the screen seems to be self-satisfaction when their best work so far story-wise was a filler arc in v6 which they probably didn't even write, and I sinferely want the show taken away from those two pillocks because honestly even yandere dev could write a better story.
@laumondsenior1625
3 жыл бұрын
They're were written like some wattpad stories where the rest of the cast (ace ops) gets bashed on by the main character (team ruby) and is forced to act stupid and morally unreasonable to make the said main character tell them how to do their job and show that they are least important to the story. Basically it's less of a story and more of characters getting bashed on by writers to make their ideal character look good. This isn't new info especially for a long time rwby fan
@aragaminightmare9527
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I have seen too many stories like that it's so hard to find any good stories. Even when I think I found a hidden gem, it turns out to disappoint me.
@darelldeleon3510
3 жыл бұрын
@@aragaminightmare9527 Don't worry I've been there before. At first you enjoy then you comeback and realize it's bad or cringe. Ironically you can find stories that are so bad that it is actually good
@matthewdeleon382
3 жыл бұрын
Im suprised your still a fan
@laumondsenior1625
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewdeleon382 what's that suppose to mean exactly?
@matthewdeleon382
3 жыл бұрын
@@laumondsenior1625 oh, are you still a fan?
@bentaplayz9100
3 жыл бұрын
I was rooting for ace-ops everytime they fought RWBY/RNBW
@deathxanamon7211
3 жыл бұрын
RNBW??? Who that?
@AlbinoHarambe1
3 жыл бұрын
@@deathxanamon7211 Ruby, Nora, Blake, Weiss
@deathxanamon7211
3 жыл бұрын
@@AlbinoHarambe1 oh thanks
@mray4784
3 жыл бұрын
Ace ops losing to team RWBY was like Optimus losing to Bumblebee, Goku to Gohan, Batman to Nightwing or Superman to Superboy (Connor). Like, yeah, their "sidekicks" have potential and experiencie but come on....Best hunters my a**.
@itsjustvin7630
3 жыл бұрын
Didnt Tim Drake took down Batman
@mray4784
3 жыл бұрын
@@itsjustvin7630 In a fair fight? Tim? I doubt it. Nightwing and Cassandra Cain (Batgirl II/Black Bat/Orphan) are the only ones in the Batfamily who can beat him in a fair fight.
@t-r3ady646
3 жыл бұрын
I hated how they where executed How did they loose to team RWBY In the first place? They had years of experience and they where training even when beacon was lost
@takkarsasori8961
3 жыл бұрын
plot
@carbodude5414
3 жыл бұрын
It should be _because_ the Ace Ops trained RWBY that the Ace Ops should be very familiar with RWBY's tactics.
@steeredshark5542
3 жыл бұрын
The only reason that makes sense to me is that they were going easy on them
@konstellashon1364
2 жыл бұрын
@@steeredshark5542 the two women on the team specifically talked about not holding back during the fight, but then Hare used the excuse we were holding back later. :|
@steeredshark5542
2 жыл бұрын
@@konstellashon1364 I am even more confused now
@youtubeisrunbyamonkey
3 жыл бұрын
Great character designs with terrible treatment/development. This kingdom had the Most potential with its economic class division. But no, it became the snowflake old white guy that can't accept new things kingdom. So many good plot threads that just burnt out when they decided to turn plot threads into a fuse. And then the ending just fizzled out.. this season was a huge let down.
@JAMON523
3 жыл бұрын
10:51 to 11:22 That actually sums up a lot of what's wrong with the writing at it's core. The characters are telling us one thing, but their actions and results of said actions tell a completely different tale. Like Cinder for example. Everyone TALKS about Cinder's ego and lack of teamwork skills is causing her failures yet in the first two seasons she had been in: (She took total control of the criminal underworld, and operations were running smoothly. Cripplied an entire army of the most advanced military androids on the planet and their warships. Force the white fang into recruitment, a terrorist group that would rather die than serve another, especially a human! Stole half of the Fall maidens, powers and crippled her to the point she needed life support. And then killed the maiden and got the other half. Caused a global panic and racial tensions between human and Faunus that still affecting the series to this day. Cut off Yang's arm (Indirectly, but it was still the result of Cinder's actions.). Forced Blake into hiding. Sent Weiss to her room. Found the silver eyes, The only being that can potentially kill salem. Killed Pyrrha and Penny, the strongest students at beacon, both of which are expert combantests who can pull entire airships out the sky without breaking a sweat. And killed Ozpin, who's at the very least, the most experienced hunter who's EVER LIVED.) And all of that was in the first two seasons Cinder appeared. And what is her "failings" according to the show? The divine light of god cripples her and she lost a fight to Raven once. A character mind you, who was already afraid of Salem and had given up long before the season she appeared in started, and hasn't been a threat since. She also happened to be a huntress who's only second to Summer and Ozpin, who also had the maiden powers.........😑 Do you see my point now?
@midnighthijinks7387
Жыл бұрын
"She also happened to be a Hunter who's only second to Summer and Ozpin..." Wait, when did the show say this?
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
Human Zenyatta deserves a statue AS TALL AS PYRHA’S No torches, please XD
@herpderp5727
3 жыл бұрын
Pyrrha's statue was ugly so I'll have to pass.
@blizzagasaga8676
3 жыл бұрын
B-But...you're not supposed to like anyone but team RWBY! They're always right, and everyone else needs to be put in their place!
@itz_abb6
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the writers' wanted to focus on the Ace Ops, just as much as the whole main cast. However, because of time, it doesn't work out well. Personally, I wish they did 30-45 minute episodes rather than 17-22 minutes. Those extra minutes can give a more in-depth look of the whole story. It makes me want to create my own version of the series like I did with RvB. I found the storyline to be lacking, so I made a storyline that satisfied my want for more content. Quite sad that it's not canon xD. But, I feel like RT is doing too much of everything. They need to take a break from some content in order to make current content better. RvB (again, I know this is RWBY) had a team from Death Battle directing it. It's moments like this that I feel like they need to set out and find a solid team to work on RWBY. One where the writers understand the dynamic of every character and even puts into action the lessons they learned (and not kill off characters they don't like). That would revive the show.
@steeredshark5542
3 жыл бұрын
Take a break from some content? Look at how much they did drop to focus on RWBY and RvB. Camp camp, I’m pretty sure about camp camp. Gen Lock, Nomad of Nowhere, RWBY chibi, and I don’t know what else. But all things that did have pretty good potential
@DrakeVagabond
3 жыл бұрын
Why is no one talking about how terrifying a character like Marrow is?
@justjillhere1648
3 жыл бұрын
Why Marrrow?
@DrakeVagabond
3 жыл бұрын
@@justjillhere1648 one word
@AlexisDevilman
3 жыл бұрын
ZA WARUDO!!!
@TSH425
3 жыл бұрын
@@justjillhere1648 stay is broken as fuck he can do it to multiple people at once as well he could straight up freeze the leviathan and Salem in one go and call it a day
@MizuramenNoodles
3 жыл бұрын
@@TSH425 Man if Marrow was there in the Salem fight, Hazel wouldn’t have to hold her down and he wouldn’t die
@loiiysailor1177
3 жыл бұрын
Is too bad that the Ace-oops got nerf to have team Rwby win can't wait for more higher level huntsmans get their butt whoop by bunch of kid's because all they need to do is disagree with them , and team Rwby will power up their mary sues plot armor , to teach them a lesson but not the other way around , am pretty sure any show I watch the main characters has a hard time beating their mentors , because the mentors got more expeice frighting to teach the students Naruto Fairy tail DB and DBZ Avatar TLA MHA Bleach Inuyasha
@loiiysailor1177
3 жыл бұрын
And demon Slayer
@skyrogue1977
3 жыл бұрын
The AceOps are great because of their connection to Ironwood, as they feel like their inclusion makes sense has his elite team. They should’ve had more time to delve into their personal reasons for doing what they do.
@Evilman_520
3 жыл бұрын
They were underrated because they didn't have plot power on their side. We were supposed to believe that THESE were the best Atlas has to offer? And these veteran huntsmen got folded by a bunch of first-years?
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
I think the reasoning behind them losing to team RWBY was their lack of teamwork. I don’t mean that “they weren’t friends so they couldn’t have won” that’s stupid, what I mean is their fighting wasn’t in sync. If you look back at the fight, the ace ops were actively arguing against each other and not really working together. They were acting on their own emotions and that was their downfall. So overall, the ace ops could absolutely mop the floor with team RWBY, they just needed to start acting like a unit and stay on the same page.
@Evilman_520
3 жыл бұрын
@@enderbrawler6576 even not fighting as a team isn't an excuse in this one. None of them were actively interfering or messing with each other in their individual fights, so this wasn't a 4v4 so much as it was 4 1v1s. In which case the Aces should STILL have won. They're more experienced, and they're skilled enough to be called Atlas' best. They absolutely should be able to hold their own in a 1v1 or even a 2v1 against a bunch of first year kids. The power scaling in this show is just bullshit. We see veterans like Tyrian decimate 4 kids on his own, but the best Huntsmen in Atlas can't even handle 1, let alone 2 of them? Mercury beat down Cocoa and Yatsuhashi, both of which are a year older and yet he made them look like nothing at all. Granted yes: he has been trained since birth; but he still showed no signs of wearing out between them. I would think that the Ace Ops should at least be at that level of skill, since they are fully qualified graduated Huntsmen who each EARNED their place in the Aces.
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
@@Evilman_520 Yeah you’re right about the power scaling, it’s pretty inconsistent and is whatever the plot needs it to be. And you’re right about the ace ops loss not being right, if they did win it probably could’ve led to an arc for team RWBY to grow as a team. It probably might have been a better idea to make the ace ops third or fourth year students of Atlas instead of being full on huntsman, that way their loss can be slightly excused while keeping that upperclassman relationship they have with the main cast. Although I might have some doubt about the part with Emerald and Mercury. While they are a year younger than team CVFY you have to remember the circumstances behind the fight. The entire tournament was rigged from the start, the matchups and the terrain were in their favor while team CVFY were clueless. Emerald and Mercury knew who they were fighting and were fully prepared on how to beat them, it also didn’t help CVFY that they fought head on while Emerald and Mercury fought with sneak attacks and trickery. If the circumstances were different, it probably wouldn’t have been so one sided. It was less about who was more powerful and more about who had the strategic advantage.
@kingraplhmativo5178
3 жыл бұрын
@@enderbrawler6576 Neo got punched by Oscar despite being dodge master. Cinder almost killed by Jaune in volume 5.
@enderbrawler6576
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingraplhmativo5178 Yeah, like I said before, the power scaling is pretty inconsistent and mostly does what the plot wants it to.
@beatlemania8945
3 жыл бұрын
Hmph. That seems to be a funny thing RWBY manages to do. Manage to pull off a lot of brilliance with something they seemingly give little focus or screentime to. Now, I certainly do wish that Vine got to stick around longer.
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
Fully agree
@gearreadyforwar1545
3 жыл бұрын
The shows make a the ace ops look like mindless soldiers but there just very loyal and they trust there leader no matter what he does they still stand by iron wood also there special force’s and they knew how to get the job done trying not to show much emotion so yeah there really cool and I would rather see the show around then than rwby team
@jayhill8892
3 жыл бұрын
I think another way to look at this than the Ace Ops are underrated is that the Ace Ops are actual characters that grow as time goes on, while team RWBY went into stasis as characters somewhere between Volume 5 and 6 at best and haven't grown since then at all (or have actively regressed as characters at worst). Team RWBY has informed flaws, but those are never used properly to flesh them out. The Ace Ops however feel like real people that work together even if they're not friends at first.
@Mark-fc7tu
3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't that invested in the Ace Ops. They were introduced through a ton of character shilling... and then CRWBY had them job just to make Team RWBY look better. It didn't work. It just made the Ace Ops look like morons.
@darelldeleon3510
3 жыл бұрын
JOB SQUAD PIN ME PAY ME
@Mark-fc7tu
3 жыл бұрын
@@darelldeleon3510 Hm?
@darelldeleon3510
3 жыл бұрын
Was referring to the JOB SQUAD IN WWF they were literal jobbers of the ATTITUDE ERA search it up, HELL I think it's safe to say that RETRIBUTION can be called JOB SQUAD 2.0
@toskiemail1371
3 жыл бұрын
The show sometimes acts like the Ace Ops are the only established Huntsmen around the area. Where are the others? In Atlas, they're part of the military yet it seems like the military is full of nothing but small grunts.
@higunner00
3 жыл бұрын
You are askinbg waaay too much depth from the writing team that made Adam and have yet to make Neo a character and not a plot device
@Artemas_16
3 жыл бұрын
Well, Huntsman could go anywhere to study and if you was in Atlas, you automatically conscripted. So it is not a stretch, that many wanna-be Huntsmans just went to Vacuo/Vale/Mistral, to be freelancers.
@Spearra
3 жыл бұрын
And strangest of all, that default generic army technically held off Salam's entire forces head on. There's too many question marks with that.
@64gbdata11
3 жыл бұрын
RWBY introducing characters. Ignore them for the whole volume. Give them some character arcs/development. Kill them after that. That's how the writers waste the character potential.
@Omnislash7
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly it isn’t just reserved for characters they write to be antagonists either looking at Penny’s story. It’s like once a character has served their own personal arc, they’re on the chopping block which really ruins the potential that could have come as a result of said arc
@MelralCT-
3 жыл бұрын
@@Omnislash7 I'm still waiting for Ren's and possibly Nora's death
@Omnislash7
3 жыл бұрын
@@MelralCT- Their death flags will probably come soon enough now that Ren has proclaimed his reciprocated love for Nora
@flamegeyser9781
3 жыл бұрын
My main problem with the Ace Ops was that I just straight up didn't care. They get such little screen time or interaction with each other that I wasn't even slightly invested in their arc (apart from Marrow, who was at least likable). We can sure infer some things about why they acted the way they did, but I would prefer that it actually got shown. I don't even know if Harriet ever talked to Clover in V7.
@Cheese334
3 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: Team RWBY has too much plot armor
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
Painfully accurate
@scarletshadow4548
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ramsey276one honestly, the Ace Ops should have curbstomped RWBY, since power scaling, flawed as it is, nevertheless shows Clover as equal to Qrow in skill, and assuming that we give the benefit of the doubt that his teammates are less skilled, they'd be around Winter level, which again makes no sense as to how they lost, other than the idiot ball was being tossed around more than death flags in Volumes 3, 5, and 6.
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
@@scarletshadow4548 fully agree
@goodevening412
3 жыл бұрын
@@scarletshadow4548 Facts right there. Thats how some people felt about the adam vs yang & blake fight. Yang only trained against her dad with fists, while Blake never really trained at all. During vol 6 they only fought grimm. So the power scaling would have had Adam at the top with blake & yang below him yet blake & yang won even though they wernt really fighting him at the same time much, it was more taking turns.
@UnifiedEntity
3 жыл бұрын
Plot armor in what sense. Cause they definitely dont win every fight. They SHOULD have lost to Ace Ops but if they HAD to win....shit they shouldve all looked exhausted, battered, bruised and barely standing. Id say they have plot armor in the sense where they appear to be always right and the people opposing are somehow in the wrong.
@rougerider0373
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for whatever thoughts you have for Volume 8 as a whole.
@Fearfulcrawdog
3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see some one do good by the ace ops
@Ramsey276one
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@videopolice432
3 жыл бұрын
I can't stop thinking about Cinderace when looking at Harriet.
@triggerfairy4070
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking more that chocolate bunny one
@slimetank394
3 жыл бұрын
Ace ops Pokémon gym leaders when??
@anafu-sankanashi8933
3 жыл бұрын
@@slimetank394 gym leader Harriet wishes to battle!
@mordi9286
3 жыл бұрын
@@triggerfairy4070 lopunny right?
@autobee23
3 жыл бұрын
CRWBY's writing for the Ace Ops is disappointing because they had there main characters act like the Ace Ops were gonna kill them for opposing Ironwood--which wasn't the case at all. It's obvious that CRWBY thinks military folks are just "evil" or how heartless they are when it's not the case at all. Really the downfall of Ironwood could've been better if they built it up better, but we got what we got.
@konstellashon1364
2 жыл бұрын
SMH. Anti-military message in a show where monsters constantly attack humanity. And then tell you to revere the Huntsman/Huntress system, which is technically a mercenary free market.
@chukyuniqul
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao everything well-written by miles and kerry is accidental.
@Vigriff
11 ай бұрын
Much like their existence.
@mute9653
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Harriet reminds me of Locus from RvB. Though, I feel like if they try to make Harriet "Switch Sides" [-Emerald] then they would just remove all of her interesting traits. Like what they did with Whitley.
@SoldierSpiderx
3 жыл бұрын
The write did they dirty by Team RWBY beat them after couple months together train that it bullshit and then the next time they fight one of them said they was hold back like come on The Ace Ops could been a awesome team that Rival with team RWBY and make them push them to their limit and become better but no they just there for pilot hole
@danithrabbit3516
3 жыл бұрын
Nice Analysis. I'll be honest, I want this series to have true Bad Ending. They constantly reinforce this theme that their isn't fairy tale ending and strength will never lead to victory. Yet RWBY group constantly tries to strength through anyway, there actively against theme of story on every account and there actions always lead to diaster, even good ones. It sort always been sort hope that it case where at end they fail, there decisions were shortsided and most die aside from those four. Repeat of the same fate that Team STRQ had. Since Ozpin has always been protagonist of deciet and Salem an antagonist of truth. Ruby to have actual mental breakdown and actually break to prove that all she even did is shove her emotions down and wear mask of happiness.
@ChloroPhobeTarantino
3 жыл бұрын
Bro, Elm may have been the least utilized character among the Ace-Ops but she was my favorite of the bunch. Is it fair to say the show let her down by not giving her enough time to shine?
@jjjwhovian
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! She was so under-utilised, which is a shame cause she’s my fave as well. I have no faith in CRWBY anymore but I really do hope we see more of Elm going forward.
@justincooper1342
3 жыл бұрын
This video is a PERFECT example of why the Ace-Ops would be WAY better main characters then Team RWBY.
@Luna-uc1mc
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking!
@RevaXartist
3 жыл бұрын
Vine is my favorite character in this show without a doubt while I've given up on this series I actually really liked his character and how they can't ruin him like they did Iron wood because he's dead so best character for me
@magatsudreemurr7717
3 жыл бұрын
i personally dropped rwby because i rooted for them and ironwood before volume 8. I watched ep 1 of volume 8 and felt like the writers just want the main characters to always have a moral high ground so they look better then other characters. I should have dropped it after they killed Adam . Ironwood just got Adamed u need to make everyone against the main characters either really bad or braindead . plus Salem sucks.
@MisteRRYouTuby
3 жыл бұрын
You, Fang, give too much care for a group that both the community AND the creators didn’t care at all for.
@juliyamollen5286
3 жыл бұрын
I feel Rwby is telling its story to quickly. Monty said that the ending of season 2 now is the ending of season 3. I feel like rwby should do this more. I don't mind having a few filler episodes if we have less rushed story.
@buffgarfield3231
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think the ending of season 3 would have been quite that dark thematically if Monty hadn't died? I feel like the ending of season 3 was the butterfly's wings that ruined later seasons with a hurricane.
@vectory674
3 жыл бұрын
I think the main problem is that because the main characters are underutilized and because of this people like you are more invested in the side characters. When we think about it it seems like it's a bit unfamiliar to the show to do this but : - Ren and Nora are one of the most developed characters - Qrow were conflicted during the last volume but I think pushing him aside is a bit disappointing - So many side characters and side stories are there and team Rwby aren't interesting enough so you get invested in the side characters and it's a vicious circle - I would be invested if one of those girls would become a maiden for... Well... Have a purpose in the plot because it's a bit sad to se unexploited materials
@bjoernsenp.5664
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine having 2 Volumes in Atlas and not giving Weiss and Winter a lot of screentime/actual character moments/devolpment
@vectory674
3 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernsenp.5664 It's think it's a bad i- Oh wait they already did that
@TempestMaximus
3 жыл бұрын
They were like the DINOBOTS of transformers, powerful and potentially interesting. But in the hands of 2 writers with the obsession of bad representations
@carbodude5414
3 жыл бұрын
Them being defeated by RWBY without a single scratch was so aggravating to watch that I wish a new, more competent writer that doesn't have an easily bruised ego was hired to introduce a new villain that utterly curb-stomps RWBY and friends just to teach them some much needed humility
@NoirN3rd
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not like rwby haven’t had their fair share of losses. Plus Harriet was owning Ruby in their fight
@carbodude5414
3 жыл бұрын
@@NoirN3rd RWBY has been unbeatable ever since Vol 4
@bjoernsenp.5664
3 жыл бұрын
@@carbodude5414 I mean they wouldve died in Volume 5 if Cinder didnt decide to get the relic mid fight for no good reason.
@carbodude5414
3 жыл бұрын
@@bjoernsenp.5664 See, that's the thing. Villains suddenly become significantly more stupid whenever RWBY is around
@maxentirunos
3 жыл бұрын
Personaly, I would have just love that the Ace Ops weren't completely new characters. Instead of introducing and killing an entire new team in two volumes, I would have maybe preferred the Ace Ops to be Penny teammates. I would have kept Clover, Harriet and Marrow, remove Elm and Given Vine role to Ciel instead. Doing so would have boosted their signification, even more from Penny perspective.
@animezilla4486
3 жыл бұрын
Well at least three of the Aces opts are still around maybe we'll get some more character development and history in the next volume
@zerotohero1483
3 жыл бұрын
Underutilized, underdeveloped, underwhelming, underrated, take your pick. I still felt absolutely nothing for them and that’s more due to the pisspoor writing.
@flareb99
3 жыл бұрын
The pandering is honestly what's holding this show back, I genuinely believe the writers can write but they are pushing the crowd favourites and giving them all the cool moments, rushing important character development in order to sell their merch and stuff like that. They just need to stand their ground write the story they want to write get more people on the team and let go of the guys who don't know what they are doing
@NoirN3rd
3 жыл бұрын
There’s no pandering. You’re just upset about the direction the show is going but either way you’re still gonna watch it.
@demetriusprime1505
3 жыл бұрын
The true tragedy of this series, underutilized characters from what they could have been.
@marichatismynameandladynoi1990
3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone actually pointed out ruby chucking Harriet I remember the first I sore that I was like bruh not cool and didn’t even like Harriet that much
@ukotoa1639
3 жыл бұрын
When can we get The Hound was wasted potential?
@Hadthese
3 жыл бұрын
Nah, that was an early setup. Sets up the potential Summer drama, maybe since we didn’t get a Maria scene in the end we run into her? It sets up the idea that ‘hey this is a thing that can happen and how can it be expanded on?’
@danielcain8136
3 жыл бұрын
That will probably be like a one million subscriber special
@syrienangel4137
3 жыл бұрын
Look how they massacred my boy
@thexv3show96
3 жыл бұрын
20:25 **-Cries in Adam-**
@Jacob_G9
3 жыл бұрын
Potential Unutilized That is RWBY'S ULTIMATE flaw.
@samj1512
3 жыл бұрын
The problem with Ace OPS is that they had great potential to develop the story and let team RWBY develop positively, but they were essentially only used to show how wrong Atlas (or rather, Ironwood) were wrong and to show that friendship trumps logic and sometimes having to make difficult decisions. They were essentially just a foil to make team RWBY look good.
@conortheslayer
3 жыл бұрын
The real problem with the ace-ops, the reason nobody likes them, is their horrible “first impression”. I’m talking about the first real fight we saw them in, the one with team rwby. They were wi-Ed out CLEANLY by a group of kids because.... friendship? If at least Harriet or marrow had won their fights and we got a round 2 that was another 2v2 that might’ve softened the blow but as it stands, the best of the best lost to the worst of the worst
@bjoernsenp.5664
3 жыл бұрын
My prefered scenarios wouldve been: - Marrow leaves with the exhausted injured Ironwood, because they know Cinder is there and theorize Hazel is there to, so RWBY gets a 4v3 which is a bit more believeable -Marrow just uses his semblance on his own team and lets RWBY go for reasons I guess
@buffgarfield3231
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good content EF, Have a good Easter!
@AnowonTRS
3 жыл бұрын
I hated how Vine died in Arrow Ragman used his rags to absorb a nuke and lost his powers as a result so I thought vine would just cover the bomb and jump off the ship as there was a other ship to land on but nope.
@virgilbarrios3174
3 жыл бұрын
Ragman got his powers back in the last season.
@AnowonTRS
3 жыл бұрын
@@virgilbarrios3174 I just saw that today lol I haven't watched Arrow in years so I'm quite a bit behind.
@NoirN3rd
3 жыл бұрын
Vine wouldn’t have been able to hold it from the outside. The shockwave of the explosion has to find a way out. The funnel he’d create by extending his arms would be a one way trip direct back to him. He would’ve died either way unfortunately
@DD8842
3 жыл бұрын
She got the most screen time because she was the cutest admit :P
@E3Persona
3 жыл бұрын
This video made me appreciate the Ace Ops more then in Volumes 7 & 8. Like if you agree. 👍
@icecold10001
3 жыл бұрын
I felt more emotion watching this video than I’ve felt for team RWBY since Volume 3’s ending.
@griffingower1883
3 жыл бұрын
Well let's see in volume 3's ending yang lost an arm weiss was forced to go back home blake felt like an outcast and left to go back home and ruby set off with jaune nora and ren so yeah I know how you feel
@steelscorpion9114
3 жыл бұрын
My disliking of the Ace Ops isn't because of the Ace Ops themselves. But because of Atlas as a whole. Since even V1, there's been plenty of boasting and big talk about the Kingdom of Atlas. How it is so technologically advanced with the best military in the world. Only for us to see constantly their drones be easily, easily disposed of by what is meant to be fodder Grimm. Then in V3 their whole system has been hacked easily by 1 person, being Watts. Later on in V6 we are introduced to these 2 dimwitted twins that take orders from Caroline, an over the top supremacist. By that point Atlas to me, was looking pathetic. Now finally V7. The Ace Ops are introduced right off the bat described as "Atlas Best" we are showcased them working very well together against that Gheist. Cool looking great Finally their confrontation against RWBY... They lost. Their first true fight against people. Not some wild beast Now i know that is a whole different can of worms in itself. But regardless. Holding back or not. They lost. "Atlas Best" couldn't do their job and neutralize team rwby. At that point anything Atlas was nothing, meant nothing to me. Unfortunately the Ace Ops are (or were at the time) included in that package deal. Point is because of so much disappointment and failure from that Kingdom. I lost interest in like 80% that comes from that kingdom. Except penny, schnee family, ironwood, piedro. Didn't care for Ace Ops. Until regaining interest in some episodes from V8 when they actually delve more into them individually as to who they are as people. I do look forward to seeing more of that
@CSSBTGaming
3 жыл бұрын
It seems that team RWBY is just not that likable or easy to sympathize with these days. All the plot armor they got make them look even worse. But I guess they've decided to butcher everything else that's good or interesting in the story just to prop up the unlikable main characters. Ultimately this shouldn't be a surprise as they've already wasted away a lot of other material with potential.
@Stachelbeeerchen
2 жыл бұрын
I dont care. They stole active spotlight from the Team in volume 8. When they were introduced I liked them a bit but these were too many new characters in a series with too many characters and not a good focus on character development. They litteraly send Sun of in previous Volumes to govus more on new characters only to bring in even more characters that "steal" the runtime. Team RWBY may be the least developed protagonists in fiction history
@StareachValcin
3 жыл бұрын
For me personally, my favorite of the Ace Ops is Elm Ederne, for her physique and her personality.
@chukyuniqul
3 жыл бұрын
Can't really go wrong with a good ol' boisterous bruiser amazonian beauty.
@riogrande163
3 жыл бұрын
@@chukyuniqul Or, simply put, "Muscle Mommy"
@Hashbrown1682
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that writers and the show imply that even though the ace ops are on a team, but aren't friends as bad thing. It childish. Like in life sometimes you'll work very well with people who aren't your friends.
@Breadcutter
3 жыл бұрын
Watching this video makes me feel like following the Ace-Ops would make for a more unique and genuinely better story. I mean it would be shorter and they would have to drop the whitefang stuff, which might bring some much needed focus as I always felt as if it was a different story entirely as it never impacts the world that much and only 50% of the main characters. So maybe that would be better handled as. A spin-off so that it could be handled with more depth and focus. Heck maybe you could still include it in the Ace-Ops show but make it another plotpoint that develops them or something. I feel like I just want some active and really dynamic characters that are consistent in their characterization. Because going of the principle that your main characters should be the most interesting ones when all the good ones, so the interesting ones, so basically Iron wood the ace-ops and winter, are located in Atlas maybe make the show about atlas.
@ryan7337
3 жыл бұрын
The Ace Ops never act like bad guys? *Maybe* when they still operated as a full unit (meaning back in vol 7 with Clover) you could make that argument, or maybe I'm just crazy, but Harriet being completely willing to just bomb a city that (to her most current knowledge) was still full of people she is 'supposed' to be protecting makes her, at least somewhat, of a bad guy (or gal, take your pick of the term). Also, this whole bit about Harriet trying to arrest Ruby rather than knock her out and all that... She could have knocked Ruby out, and then still arrest her. Knocking someone out doesn't mean your next step is to immediately kill them, like what..? Ruby didn't treat Harriet like trash by incapacitating her (arguably the writers did though), nor do I ever believe team RWBY and co were ever actively trying to kill the Ace Ops members, rather than just momentarily incapacitate them so they could escape. How was Ruby being petty at all in that scene where she incapacitates Harriet? Ruby did the smart thing (for like, one of the only times ever that I can think of) while Harriet did the stupid thing. That's not Ruby being petty; that's Harriet being incompetent (contrivance of the writers, and yeah, I agree that it's stupid that these dumbass kids can ever beat what is supposed to be Atlas' best in a fight). This show already has a problem where basically everyone is stupid in almost every scenario; let's not knock them when they finally do something remotely intelligent (especially with something like the supposed 'pettiness' of knocking your opponent out while trying to escape from them...). Besides that, yeah, not surprising that the writers wasted a lot of shit in the Atlas Arc of the story; they've been wasting most of the shit since at least vol 3 (and arguably since vol 1).
@courtneycalvert185
3 жыл бұрын
I think Eruption Fang meant that Ruby chucking Harriets unconscious body on the ground was rude, because it is. She could’ve gently set her down but she literally threw her, hurting Harriet when she didn’t have too, The Hound treated Oscar with that courtesy and he’s a GRIMM
@PPWRUP
3 жыл бұрын
She is not supposed to protect anything or anyone. She is supposed to follow orders - like any proper soldier or officer, especially since she's a member of what's supposed to be elite special forces. Her orders at that moment just happened to be "drop the bomb on Mantle".
@ryan7337
3 жыл бұрын
@@PPWRUP She is either a soldier in a military, or a huntsman/huntress depending on how you wish to look at it (I, too, would say more soldier, considering how Atlas does things). Now, what is the job of a soldier? To defend their people and their country. In this case, 'country' is the Kingdom of Atlas. Argus is in the Kingdom of Atlas. The citizens of Argus are citizens of the Kingdom of Atlas. Quite literally, her job is to defend/serve/protect the same people she just tried to drop a bomb on. As either soldier or huntsman/huntress, this would be her job. She may have been following orders, but those orders directly contradict her job. Now, either the military of Atlas has a completely different purpose to it than every other military I can think of, or by the time we get to this point in the story, the military no longer considers anything outside of the city of Atlas and the people currently residing in it to be part of the kingdom. To this, I would say the second one is most likely, which only further goes to show just how inept and stupid Ironwood is as head of the military (though this is a side point). However, even going by this second line of reasoning, I would counter and say that no, a good soldier is not one that blindly follows all orders like Harriet does. A good robot blindly follows all orders; a good soldier receives orders and only follows them when they believe it is (within reason) an acceptable course of action to take in order to protect their country (kingdom) and their countrymen (the citizens of the kingdom). To say that dropping a bomb on a city within your own kingdom, killing your own civilians, when it objectively provides no benefit to do so is by no means reasonably acceptable ( to me, at any rate). Likewise, to say she isn't supposed to protect anything or anyone is just factually wrong; that's what a military is literally for: to protect and serve. Harriet following through with that order is not her being a good soldier, it is her being a good robot. A good soldier would be someone like Marrow; someone who will follow orders until they become objectively unreasonable to follow (such as dropping a bomb on your own people for objectively no beneficial reason whatsoever).
@ryan7337
3 жыл бұрын
@@courtneycalvert185 If that is what EF meant, then yes, that is a fair point (I would say more dropped than chucked, but that is ultimately just semantics and irrelevant to the point itself, in which, again, he would be correct). Don't know where you're getting the hurting Harriet bit from though? To the best of my knowledge, we never hear of Harriet being injured/hurt from this act. I could be forgetting, but that seems like a random claim to try to make the situation look worse for Ruby than it really is by saying she injured/hurt an unconscious opponent.
@pandanator6681
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryan7337 Agreed and very well said, man. Obviously, I hope nobody joining the military is going into this profession expecting sunshine and roses. It can certainly be a very morally grey profession, and up here in Canada, one of the questions asked to people trying to enlist is whether they understand that they might be told to do things that contradict their own morals. I don’t think it would be at all productive if every second private decided to let their commanding officer know how they feel about every single order they receive, and it is certainly of the utmost importance that orders are carried out effectively, but as you said, within reason. I think this “within reason” in regards to choosing not to follow orders can vary greatly from person to person, but yeah, I’m with you on this one. What Harriet was trying to do would be like getting American military personnel to drop an atomic bomb on, I don’t know, Chicago or something. Good luck trying to find anyone who would actually comply with that (though of course an order like this would never be passed down to begin with, because Ironwood’s reasoning at this point is pretty much out the window). I still agree with a lot of what EF says here, despite my own problems with the Ace-Ops and the Atlas military as a whole (in regards to how the concept of camaraderie is portrayed), but I appreciated reading your comment. Also Ruby dropping Harriet does sligggghhtly irk me, as she just has this total look of indifference on her face after dropping her opponent on the ground like a sack of potatoes. I don’t know, not a big deal, but I see where EF is coming from.
@KazLordOfLightWarriors
3 жыл бұрын
The reason Vine had to sacrifice himself was the one, easily missed line of "We'll never make it out of the blast zone in time!" which, if the bomb had that big of a blast radius....HOW FUCKING STRONG WAS VINE TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE IT THAT MUCH???? No fuckin wonder they had to kill him off, he would have taken Salem down by his own damn self if given the chance.
@silvertongue.242_99
3 жыл бұрын
I did believe harriet was the best ace op because she has development and had flaws. I kinda hate how I didn't notice how nice harriet design was until the last episode of volume 8 like what where was she the last two volumes. I am glad this video shed light on the hidden story of the Ace ops and their dynamic, etc. Great video man 💕💕❤️
@Hashbrown1682
3 жыл бұрын
It's fucking criminal how they treated ace ops, the disrespect.
@dealwithitbihh
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much if you’re well written and have an actually character and arc but have a real flaw effecting your arc and you’re opinions oppose team RWBY’s you’re either: A) Put on the sidelines B) Underutilized C) Painted as an Antagonist or even a villain D) Killed off E) A combination of all the above
@austin9568AuraMasterDX
3 жыл бұрын
And now that they're stuck with Qrow and *grins* Robyn maybe their characters can be further developed, y'know now that they're apart of the "good guys" Hopefully some lingering resentment towards Marrow, from either Harriet or Elm (maybe both)
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