Maybe for a part two test in a case with a mesh side panel? Would be interesting to see how much better the downdraft coolers perform there.
@pb8185
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely. SFX with breathable panel or is where the downdraft coolers should shine.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
If there's enough demand...you KNOW I'll do it. 🙃 But if not, onto the next thing.
@Kizarat
2 жыл бұрын
@@HardwareCanucks I would be interested in a sequel to this video. A case with a front mesh panel would be good to include.
@thepiratedownunder5420
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it’s kind of dumb to test with a tempered glass side panel. I could have told you it would be worse and saved you the time spent making the video.
@joeymcjoeysalot6596
2 жыл бұрын
I think you could do a better test with the NR200 to really see the best use case, and it has good cooler compatibility.
@Johnny2Gats
Жыл бұрын
I vertical mounted my gpa in my phanteks 719, which exhausted air towards my CPU socket. Went with the dark rock TF, and packed that case with 14 fans. There’s so much airflow with those fans running at 650rpm that even under heavy load everything stays cool
@adreaux
2 жыл бұрын
So that's where that poll went.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
You got it!
@Jannis368
2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion you should also have mentioned the noise levels. Btw the dark rock coolers lock awesome, still happy with my dark rock slim.
@TheFlyingZulu
3 ай бұрын
7:16 because side fans, as intake fans, blowing directly onto the motherboard and other components is superior to front intake fans. If you blow air directly onto a downdraft cooler, the air is fed directly into the cpu cooler.
@joshua41175
2 жыл бұрын
7 months late for me to use but definitely a welcome one.
@wolfren1386
2 жыл бұрын
Well I'm rarely this early to a video. Gotta say, this is a topic that seems very interesting to know more about. Edit: These were interesting results, I appreciate it.
@somewhatfrog
2 жыл бұрын
One of the best hardware related videos I've watched this month. Thanks a lot Mike, definitely worth it for you to wake up that early!
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@srquack27
2 жыл бұрын
ive been helping a friend budget his pc build and this channel has really helped me find ways to cut costs without cutting corners
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Good to know. Thanks for the feedback!
@totodoro
2 жыл бұрын
I liked the methodology, normalizing for noise and testing different fan configs. Only thing I would change is to use a more airflow focus case. The H510 relies heavily on negative pressure, favoring the GPU and "suffocating" the CPU, as shown by GN. Great job, nonetheless
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
I agree but in this situation it was more about normalizing things and making sure there's a controlled environment rather than focusing solely on airflow. But yeah I get it. Maybe another test with better ventilation.
@BassRacerx
2 жыл бұрын
AGREE. i actually appreciate testing inside a case but this case is "wost case scenario" (pun intended) if there is only a 3 degree temp diff in this shitty case with no airflow then it will probably be negligible difference in a good case.
@Crazyates11
2 жыл бұрын
@@HardwareCanucks I’m totally ok with the case selection, but WHY did you go one intake and one exhaust? This case works way better with two exhaust, and I’m wondering if a dual exhaust would work better with a downdraft style cooler.
@jonessii
2 жыл бұрын
@@HardwareCanucks if you do this please record GPU temps as well to see the difference if there is any. Thank you for the content!
@PsychoStreak
2 жыл бұрын
Have to agree here, the case choice was not the best platform for this test. I get the idea of showing the worst case scenario, but that case is going to restrict the performance of any air cooler to a point where I don't think the numbers are useful for evaluation. Also, using a GPU that blows hot air up in front of the CPU is going to always favor a tower cooler because the air moved by the GPU is placed directly in front of the fan blades of a tower cooler, while it's parallel to the fans on a downdraft cooler.
@fellowyou2ber
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see these compared in a case with side panel intakes. There's a reason top flow was more common in the days before windowed side panels
@tonyzhu403
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for confirming the 180° Flip for AMD. As long as it doesn't block the Left Most DIMM Slot, I am happy. I would prefer the cooler on VRM instead of RAM. RAM is not as hot, and I have some decently tall RAM.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is a big deal that a lot of folks miss. If there's VRM heatsink clearance issue, just rotate.
@kevadu
2 жыл бұрын
For my build in an NR200 I actually went with a NH-C14S because the case has side ventilation so it's pulling air straight from outside of the case. It's a downdraft cooler but it's a *massive* downdraft cooler. Works really well.
@the-patient-987
2 жыл бұрын
And it's gonna be even better if you mount 140s in the side.
@thedanbot85
4 күн бұрын
i know this is an ancient comment, but im doing a build in a NR200, and i can tell you, the case has clearance for up to 155mm cooler height, which means it could fit all the way up to a thermalright peerless assassin 120, which is one of the biggest and best coolers on the market. thereses absolutely no reason to go with a downdraft cooler, unless you just want to, and are ok with sacrificing potential cooling performance.
@sepg5084
Жыл бұрын
The case seems to be designed for tower cooler airflow, so it is obvious that downdraft cooler would perform worse.
@terribletruth8201
2 жыл бұрын
A case with a fan on the side for exhaust or intake would make a huge difference. In the tested case, the hot air is just bouncing off the glass. But most cases these days don't have a fan or mesh on the side so doesn't matter much.
@wokof
2 жыл бұрын
thats smells like something that needs to be tested in an haf x evo.
@KenneyBear
2 жыл бұрын
So, you need a Fan to the top of the case for a Downdraft cooler. and the temps will go down. just like how you've got a fan to the back of the case for a Tower cooler.
@eternalwingspro4454
2 жыл бұрын
I like downdraft cooler because it also cools VRM and NVMe SSD which usually placed right below thr CPU socket. The difference in SSD temp is quite noticeable as I see 20°C decrease in my Samsung SSD 960 EVO. As for VRM, it helps most basic motherboards which usually have smaller or even no heatsink. I like how good the original AMD Wraith cooler. Too bad AMD is just like Intel nowadays... they no longer provide stock cooling solution on high-end models. The midrange and lower end CPU also ended up with just basic cooling solution.
@eTiMaGo
2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I'm kinda old-school and prefer the look of downdraft coolers :D But I have to ask, could we see the results with flipped fans *and* a ventilated side panel? dumping that hot air directly outside should theoretically give even better results, at the cost of aesthetics...
@Z4KIUS
2 жыл бұрын
the shadow rock tf is a weird one, all the gimmick of shadow rock line is being quieter than others hence the low density of fins in towers, though the tf version is so tight it looks like you have to spin the fan much faster to push through
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Actually that's one of the reasons the put a larger, higher relative static pressure fan on the TF series. It's compensation for the denser fin array.
@Z4KIUS
2 жыл бұрын
@@HardwareCanucks it still affects acoustics negatively, of course it matters only when you care about it and this channel never was really concerned about it
@Steveindajeep
2 жыл бұрын
Its the wrong type of case for a down draft cooler. You'd want one with a mesh side.
@joshuac837
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see these tests on lower-end components; motherboard with no VRM heatsink, 95W CPU heatload, ram with no heatsinks. That would be the real test. I think the tower cooler was better in these tests with a higher-end system because the tower cooler more effectively removes heat from the case, causing lower ambient temps and negating the benefit of the direct airflow the down-draft coolers provide. Thank you for the insight, HW Canucks team!
@irontonyx8098
2 жыл бұрын
This needs a part 2! You actually tested downdraft coolers with a glass sidepanel. I didn't actually think someone would do that because obviously it's going to be worse, since it can't get fresh air from a ventilated sidepanel.
@XHItube
2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos usually, but this one feels essentially misleading or essentially useless: people looking at downdraft coolers usually will have vented side panels so they can utilize direct fresh air/exhaust. Further, the GPU is quite underpowered to really affect things. It would be much interesting to see how a 3070 or 3080 would fare. Keep up the good work!
@TechOwnage
2 жыл бұрын
why test on a shitty nxzt case that has little to not intake vents in the front.
@alexbogdan5402
2 жыл бұрын
My primary point of disagreement is the case. The H510 is a poorly ventilated case and i believe that in a mesh fronted case the results will differ. It would be nice to have that tested. Regarding the GPU, in the H510 the graphics card draws air from the PCIe slot covers and not throug the front of the case. So the measurement of the GPU temperature is irrelevant beacuse the CPU cooler cannot disrupt the airflow coming to the GPU which might be an issue with a front ventilated case in the case of(pun intended) a positive pressure oriented chassis. Also the temperature deltas of tge fan positioning are so small that you can take them as insignificant. Feel free to change my mind
@carlosmolina292
2 жыл бұрын
Please redo this test with an sff case like the cooler master nr200p thank you.
@dustintrombly
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the testing, but I think the video falls very short for viewers without a succinct summary at the end, and there were no clear charts for comparison synopsis. Maybe I’m not a good video consumer, but I want to see all the data at once to use for my planned use case.
@lifebidesign
2 жыл бұрын
NZXT Case is Trash! Would get better results in a better airflow case maybe the new NZXT H7 Flow or any other case for sure. :)
@blackasthesky
2 жыл бұрын
I am using a down draft cooler for aesthetic and component cooling reasons. I underestimated the CPU temperature rising, tbh, and I went from a budget tower cooler to a high end (!) down draft cooler. VRM/RAM and M.2 are cooler now, though. Edit: The main reason of this are rendering / calculation sessions where storage and memory are heavily used for a longer time.
@sergeyluchik3609
2 жыл бұрын
Well, it is not a very good idea to put top flow cooler in front of glass. Your airflow setup is optimized for tower cooler. Mesh side and fresh air is how Top Flow coolers should be tested.
@mnap1595
Жыл бұрын
Top-down is really only ideal when the cooler fins and/or fan are close to the side of the case, and the side is vented. For this reason, it's not a terribly great comparison to a tower cooler in this setup.
@jonsquare1248
2 жыл бұрын
I never use a downdraft cooler in any of my customer builds unless their chassis has an opening in the side panel for direct cold air intake.
@carlosteixeira3966
2 жыл бұрын
This is a really unique content , great work Mike ! Also loved the explanation and apresentation of the temps etc thank you !
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@vinyfiny2019
2 жыл бұрын
Not surprising that downdraft coolers work worse in cases designed for tower coolers. Would make sense to test in a case that can be configured with a solid or vented side panel like the NR200. Then you could basically test a tower cooling in an ideal config vs a downdraft cooler in an ideal config in the same case.
@ek8507
2 жыл бұрын
neat. glad to see downdraft getting some attention! machines and more found some interesting interaction within the nr200 in which a downdraft helps compartmentalize and isolate temps between CPU and GPU. certainly case specific, though.
@josephpetty2268
2 жыл бұрын
I actually own the Shadowrock TF2 cooler with the dual fan design. I chose it for aesthetic reasons mainly and also because I read reviews on it and watched many of them and it had comparable Temps to many tower coolers, actually besting some of them. In my experience, I've loaded this thing up with CPU intensive workloads, editing videos and gaming. Ryzen 3900X @ 4.45ghz, RTX 2070, 64GB RAM if system specs are needed for reference. Temps never got above 65°C for the CPU. Also, I used this in an OPEN AIR CHASSIS, like the Motiff Monument. So it's a beautiful build. I'd Def recommend the TF2 cooler, it's as good as any out there. Plus it looks AMAZING lol.
@carlobi
2 жыл бұрын
In short, only get downdraft coolers if you're space limited. Might be worth your while too if you cut an opening in the case so that it can vent the hot air straight out.
@jsnklsr5639
2 жыл бұрын
Great test and thank you for the hard work :) I tested similar things with my current setup and can only imagine how long it took you with even more coolers. I actually use the DarkRock TF in my Cooler Master NR200 with mesh side panels (never tested it with glass tbh). I also tested tower cooler, until I finally settled for the TF. Setup is: 2 Fans on top - blowing out. 2 Fans on the bottom - blowing in (this is mainly for the GPU. I use the GPU with Morpheus Cooler and the bottom fans are the only fans for the GPU). DarkRock TF sucking fresh air right in from the side panel and bursting the air on the ITX board. In my scenario, the TF performed about equal for CPU and for VRM being the coolest. Theory: CPU cooler blowing on all components on the ITX board, while the fans on the top suck it right out. Since they are right next to it, the air has no chance to get caught somewhere. I guess in your test, it will always favour the tower cooler as the air flow is basically a straight line. In a not so small ITX case, like the NR200, the two top fans are so close to the cooler, that they heavily support this kind of cooler. But there might also be other reasons: heat load of the CPU; where the VRMs or other components are located, is there even a front panel with air intake or is it a case like the NR200, which only allows side ventilation, etc... Ofc, there might have been some flaws in my testing, as I just wanted to get it over with. Tower coolers were a Scythe and Alpenfohn; I only tested one of them turning the cooler 90 degrees and I never put the glass as a side panel on.
@dallatorretdu
2 жыл бұрын
I like the look of a downdraft cooler without the fan shown... just plain industrial fin stack with a fan underneath
@randomher089
2 жыл бұрын
Now a video of updraft vs downdraft in a slim, actually ventilated slim case please?
@tonyzhu403
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video. Interesting finding. I guess downdraft is dead for regular cases.
@wongsanggar
2 жыл бұрын
With much respect, I thank you for all efforts you put for this quality content!
@joetran8798
2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I like to have a top exhaust fan and two ingesting fans in the front. They don't have to be high speed, but fast enough to keep some air flow. One thing many people forget, if the back of the case is near a wall, there will be some heat backwash into the case. If you can get a cheap USB fan to clear that, it can help immensely.
@FlakerPL
2 жыл бұрын
High-end motherboard isn't really the best choice to have conclusive results on VRM temperatures. It would be much better to have such a test done on a mid-tier or garbage motherboard with a VRM that heats up to at least 80 degrees - that's where helping to cool the VRM starts to make a difference.
@tonyzhu403
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome timing. I was just starting to look at DownDraft Cooler to replace my Hyper 212 LED. Maybe look at the Shadow Rock LP as well. A much more budget friendly price point.
@L91
2 жыл бұрын
These style coolers have their fans set to pull air, so does that make them updraft? These can only be downdraft, if you make them so! These are top down or top flow coolers as the fans airflow orientation does not define them 😉
@tonyzhu403
2 жыл бұрын
@Cum in belly button My research seems to yield different results. Based on BitWit Kyle's older video about the Shadow Rock LP, it performed as well as the Shadow Rock Slim. Which is a 160W TDP Cooler. Hardware Canucks found in the "The Best BUDGET CPU Coolers!" Video, that the lowly Pure Rock Slim 2 with a 130W TDP outperformed the Hyper 212s. Based on that, I would think the LP would be at least as good as the Hyper 212. And another issue with my Hyper 212 is: it has the very early AM4 mount, which only allows you to mount it Horizontally, with the airflow going up in a Pull Configuration. Which is not ideal. Of course. This video changed my mind for the most part, and I will probably go with a different Tower Cooler instead.
@fcormier
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Shadow Rock LP to cool my 125W FX-6350 and it does a great job. I have to cool the VRMs because it's the maximum my mobo can take.
@yourstrulyjohnnydollar8775
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like thisvideo made a good case for not using a downdraft cooler in an atx build. Maybe shoot something about them vs aio's for itx builds.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Like I said, this is setting a foundation to build more content on.
@yourstrulyjohnnydollar8775
2 жыл бұрын
@@HardwareCanucks Looking forward to it
@krazyolie
2 жыл бұрын
Cases with side ventilation used to be more common and you kind of want that for this case. The good slim ITX cases have ventilation directly over the CPU to aid the downdraft coolers
@DFX4509B
Жыл бұрын
Earlier-model XB1 is the same way, although with a top exhaust instead of a top intake, when a top intake would work better for it.
@88Opportunist
2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned the Dark Rock TF2 is around the same height as a 92mm cooler so actually that is a comparison I would like to see. What happens when you have say space that prevents a 120mm tower cooler (so like sub 145mm)...is a 92mm tower better or the premium down-draft cooler? And like others mentioned I would love to see a comparison with either just a more air-flow focused case and/or side-mesh case. Heck maybe even a video on optimizing airflow for a down-draft cooler as opposed to a tower cooler.
@Kizarat
2 жыл бұрын
I personally prefer the downdraft coolers for the aesthetics and motherboard cooling, particularly if you have a case with a transparent side panel and because the horizontal fan orientation of downdraft coolers naturally fits in with the appearance of the rest of the PC. I've never liked the sight of a tower cooler when viewed from a transparent side panel. The AMD Wraith Prism cooler is especially beautiful to watch as it cycles through RGB colors and patterns.
@TheEvilGlassRectangle
2 жыл бұрын
I opted for a Dark Rock TF in my NR200 build because it had biggest fans I could fit given my clearance, letting me run lower RPMs for less noise. So far I’m happy with it!
@robertanthonybermudez5545
2 жыл бұрын
5:07 any cooler is compatible if you have a dremel tool.
@robertt9342
2 жыл бұрын
Saw a review on a cheapo tower cooler, the fan was a bit over sized and mounted very low allowing for decent gem cooling.
@AgentDonnutte
2 жыл бұрын
is there going to be a part 2? this one isnt really good.
@SoshiMECH
2 жыл бұрын
I have the Dark Rock TF with two fans exhausting air out the top of the case which is also the way the fins on the CPU cooler are aligned. I think this would make a noticeable difference in temperatures compared to the setup in this test. Having a fan at the back of the case favours the tower style cooler because that is the way the fins are aligned but the fan at the back of the case would do very little for a downdraft cooler if the fins are aligned to the top. The Dark Rock TF is complete overkill for my system which is Be Quiet themed and I mostly got if for the looks but I think having fans at the top of the case is the way to go with this kind off CPU cooler if the fins are aligned that way.
@tegkgiof
Жыл бұрын
Нужен тест с перфарированной боковой сеткой.
@MrPantheraUmbra
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the downdraft cooler was rotated (if possible) in such way where case fan/s could push trough the radiator fins instead of the blocked top of radiator. I don't know maybe that is done on purpose so air wouldn't collide within radiator but I am curious about that. I feel the test set up is optimal for tower coolers. I wonder if there was another test setup configuration that would be more thought out for downdraft cooler in which it would have better results... like adding another exhaust fan to pull out hot air from VRM area, maybe it needs additional case fan for more fresh air circulation within case to unlock full potential of downdraft cooler. And if there are better test results in 2nd test setup it would be nice if there was comparison of each cooler in both test setups and comparing the results. I feel that would be really helpful. ^^
@Jules_Diplopia
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I am considering a downdraft cooler. Reason the size of a tower cooler and the weight of it. Being physically handicapped I cannot hold a big heavy cooler in place with one hand whilst struggling to secure the screws with a long fiddly screwdriver. I was hoping that a downdraft cooler would be A lighter, and B require a shorter screwdriver to attach it, which would be easier for me to handle. Peerhaps you could show the differences and consider that not everyone has the strength to hold large chunks of cooler in mid air.
@drstrr
2 жыл бұрын
I remember the time when downdraft coolers were considered typical and traditional
@icecrypt124
2 ай бұрын
Good video ... thank you.. i got to you a little question.. may i..?? what is the best? push the air from processor or put the air against the processor?? i got a Low profile cooler Woovib for my xeon x99 E5 2697A V4 and 32gb ram ecc.. thank you? and of course i got a two fan 80mm put the air from de case pc.. thank you
@NoLuv4Hoz
2 жыл бұрын
If only there existed some kind of visual tool for summarizing the numerical results in one image to allow for comparisons to be made more efficiently.
@SpaceNavy90
2 жыл бұрын
Should have put an exhaust fan at the top, especially for the top-down cooler blowing towards the MOBO. An extra exhaust fan right there would move that hot air right out and probably give the best temps all around.
@jeremybarber2837
2 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video! For me, I have a NH-C14S modded to use LGA2011-3 Narrow brackets to fit on my ASRock X99E-itx with a 6950x. I have the fan mounted under the heat sink pushing up through the fins. I absolutely love this cooler and am now going to be researching that Dark Rock TF2, thank you!
@makarov91
2 жыл бұрын
bad case
@TheSickness
2 жыл бұрын
I constantly had to stare at that empty exhaust fan spot at the top 🤔 Backside GPU Temp differences, expectations RTX3090 rear mem temps...ah nope. Well done vid tho 👍
@bryceh4439
2 жыл бұрын
Downdraft coolers look twice as nice as a tower. The Cryorig C1 and Cooler Master G100M are both fantastic looking coolers.
@odinsplaygrounds
2 жыл бұрын
Good video, but thought it was a bit odd to benchmark the downdraft without ventilated side panels. It clearly doesn't get access to fresh air, and in the exhaust orientation the hot air doesn't escape.
@MillisecondFalcon
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this content. One of the most important things that you (and others) leave out of air cooler reviews is how they compare to stock coolers such as AMD's Wraith series and Intel equivalents. I know it is time consuming to test coolers, but your findings are of little value to us if you don't tell us how stock coolers perform on your test system so we have a reasonable comparison. The ideal solution would be to perform all tests in a case rather than an open test bench as this is more representative of what we would have. Obviously that's impractical and there is no such thing as a 'typical' PC case. So I think the least you could do is to make sure to ALWAYS test stock coolers on the same test bench so we have something to compare your results to.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
Actually check out the Budget Cooler Roundup. We did test with the stock AMD coolers as well. :)
@abdulmotin196
3 ай бұрын
Do your reference downdraft cooler works best when using a vented side panel case. NR200 for example. Watch Machine and More videos.
@Deviantsoundz
2 жыл бұрын
So the poll was for this lol
@leightaylor8069
2 жыл бұрын
This is a really interesting and informative piece. Thanks for that and sorry you had to get up so early to make it.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
I'm an early bird!
@sassuki
6 ай бұрын
Downdraft should be better on lower end motherboards, where the VRM gets hotter than the CPU. Here, you obviously have such a capable VRM that it wouldn't matter even if there was no airflow at all. So sorry, but bad experiment for the average user that buys a sub-100$ mobo, where the VRM goes over 90° without proper airflow.
@haberdasherrykr8886
2 жыл бұрын
This is a very well made video with excellent presentation and graphics, keep it up and i love how you used correct terminology of hypothesis and not theory!! You just earned a long subscription from me.
@Viraniel666
Жыл бұрын
I can add my 2 cents into this conversation about both coolers, the dark rock 4 and dark rock tf2 as I had both installed (currently sticking to TF2). I have a Mini cube case with a single 140mm fan on the front, 120mm on the back and a chance to add a 120mm top fan as well. At the front I have Noctua Industrial 3000pwm set to 30% under 80 C and it goes up from there as required (I don't mind the fan noise, I actually like the swoosh/white noise at 30-45% to have in background when I'm working). On the back I have Redux 1700pwm set to silent. My motherboard lies flat in the case therefore with the TF2 I can access top airflow. My specs are Ryzen 7 5800X3D, B555M steel legend. Both coolers were configured manually to best performance. When I was running Dark Rock 4 my CPU temps at 105W was around 81-82 degrees under full load stress test after 30 minutes. VRM temp was around 60-61 C and ram 39-41 C. When I switched to TF2 CPU temps at 105W on my CPU are now topping a 78 (highest one I've noticed under the same stress test for the same amount of time), VRM temps dropped to 48(!!!) C and Ram temperature went down to 34C. I have actually noticed a drop in GPU (5700XT) temp by 3 degrees when using TF2. It really depends a lot on the case and how you can utilise airflow, and in case of TF2 when I added a extra top fan (noctua redux 1700) the temps dropped by about 2 degrees more but to keep it long term its a bit bad due to clearance issue, Soon I'm actually going to be upgrading the GPU to 7900XTX which I have tested before on both coolers and under heavy gaming in the same conditions I have also noticed nearly 5 degrees difference when using TF2 instead of Dark Rock 4. In my conclusion, if you do have a case that can utilise airflow from the top, it can really be beneficial as the air will actually cool your VRM and Ram and potentially GPU as well depending on your configuration. Overall, TF2 is an excellent cooler but I would say its more oriented for cases where the fans can get direct access to airflow.
@GijsWoltering
16 күн бұрын
The shadow rock 3 has a TDP of 190W, whereas the shadow rock TF2 has a TDP of 160W
@NewLifeChannel2508
Жыл бұрын
The only option to effectively deal with multidirectional flows so that the cold does not collide with the hot one is to remove the hot flow through the diverted corrugated channels (for example, like kitchen hoods)! And make sure that no NEGATIVE PRESSURE is created inside the case!
@TheFlyingHolstienCow
2 жыл бұрын
Scuffed be quiet sponsor
@marcosvictor4935
2 жыл бұрын
You need to get a low end motherboard with no heat sinks in the VRM, pair them with a r5 or r7 CPU maybe a 1600x that's 95W or maybe a 3700x with PBO enabled that should get upwards of 120W. And measure that again. I mean, when your VRM is running at 50c, some 80c air will make it warmer. But without a VRM heatsink and it running at 95-110c, then 80c air from the CPU will cool them.
@yanshaoumo6076
2 жыл бұрын
I use a Dark Rock TF updraft in a CM HAF XB box case. Dark Rock TF has 2 fans. Updraft setting is still push-pull. And lower fan is low enough to suck hot air from motherboard. HAF XB has a big mesh just above CPU and GPU. Both CPU and GPU heat will directly go up, out of case. I use DR TF on a 5900X, good for gaming and light video editing. IMO, downdraft coolers are for box or horizontal cases, sucking cool air from above or push hot air upward. They are not for tower cases.
@cruzo2355
2 жыл бұрын
11:01 that moment when you know there's others having in mind the same question and the prove :) thank you So I will share idea for that housing - Cooler Master HAF XB EVO. Very old, but perfect for DARK ROCK TF 2 and easy to rebuild front panel. Cool case for DIY project with TF 2
@Jobless_Educator
2 жыл бұрын
Great testing. I actually think that downdrafts are mainly for space constraints nowadays. However, there are still people who do not use glass side panels and prefer the ones with the side mesh. Guess a good follow-up will be trying different style of cases?
@ELCrisler
6 ай бұрын
Not sure if your still looking at comments or not. Looking back at this video I see a flaw in the testing that you touched on, down draft coolers are not designed to work in modern cases due to the direction of air flow. A more "accurate" test for direct cooler comparisons would be to use both on an open test bench and see how they directly effect temps. This would remove the "advantage" you gave the tower coolers with the use of a case optimized for their air flow pattern.
@Greenalex89
Жыл бұрын
In addition to a classic mid tower air flow I have a big 500rpm 1700mm Noctua fan inside the tower door. So it sucks in additional cold air slowly on the whole board from basically up the mainboard, while there is a constant "classic" flow from the front to back. I could imagine in my case a down draft cooler might make a lot of sense and will be efficient. What I dont like about dense fins is that it gets easier blocked by dust over time though. If u dont clean it, over the years there will be a layer of dust almost completely blocking all the air flow towards the CPU :) Oh and I heard m.2 SSDs work better when under some heat..So that might be a + for downdraft coolers too..
@fewyearsbehind9333
Жыл бұрын
I had a Scythe tower cooler and I switched it to AMD prism cooler just to get VRM temps down. I have a Ryzen 5600 on a A320 motherboard so yeah. VRM temps measured from HWinfo dropped from 110 C to 75C! Test was Cinebench R23.
@douglasformosa6095
8 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity has anyone tested downdraft in something that doesn't use the typical front to back airflow? I'm curious about a bottom to top airflow with a rear wall mounted intake as well. Alla Lian Li O11
@linus11vf1j
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see what an optimized case and case fan setup for the down draft or up draft cooler design would be.
@HardwareCanucks
2 жыл бұрын
With so few cases these days sporting mesh side panels, not sure what an "optimal" case would look like that would support all these coolers for normalized testing.
@ailluinthethyra6139
2 жыл бұрын
The test setup is skewed against downdraft coolers, you need to move the case exhaust fan to the top (perpendicular to heatsink fins) for downdraft coolers to be a little more efficient. Some heat is being recirculated in the case. Best would be to have a side intake fan if possible. Anyway, downdraft coolers have a good use for vented side panels like NR200, NCase M1, Cougar QBX, etc. They perform better with fresh intake directly going to the heatsink & components usually get 5-10°C lower temperatures. Just make sure you have an exhaust fan so heat doesn't get recirculated inside the case.
@_duduferrari
4 ай бұрын
I became a Downdraft air cooler addiction, or Low Profile as we call in 🇧🇷, after watching Hardware Canucks 😅
@AwSomeNESSS
2 жыл бұрын
I believe your Shadow results are flipped, in that your CPU isn't stressing that particular VRM enough. If you had a more budget minded motherboard, where the VRMs are reaching 80/90C, then I believe you would see the expected results of lower temps with more active airflow. In more scientific terms, the heat transfer from in your current setup is from air to VRM heatsink, whereas in my budget minded setup it would be from the VRM heatsink (or lackthereof) to the air moving across the component.
@undisputedhideandseekchamp1939
2 жыл бұрын
Wow a video that actually started with "Morning"... And it's actually Morning also tis side lol... Timing so perfect 👌🏽😂must be awkward for those seeing this st night
@dovahkingqcclips6913
Жыл бұрын
something to have considered without any added cost would be to have the side pannel removed to simulate a ventilated side pannel, pretty sure that's where the downdraft coolers get on the same level as tower coolers all in all, it always comes with height limitation, it's looks, the noise, the tdp rating and the price...........most people take tower coolers because it look like it performs better for the same price ( which is true for most )...............and i think the main reason why people avoid downdraft coolers is because of intel and amd stock fans who always run loud and hot....which is why a lot of people uses aftermarket coolers and blame the poor performance on the downdraft type of coolers without considering the much better downdraft options
@Gsoda35
11 ай бұрын
I thought about buying that low profile cooler but it would be far cheaper to improvise by using my old cooler backplate with any old heatsink and a random fan. just a browser pc so never hot.
@yi-vn4fz
6 ай бұрын
What is big wrong about this video is u using a high end motherboard with vrm heatsink. u will see opposite result if using cheap budget motherboard with vrm no heatsink
@FuglyEngineering
2 жыл бұрын
Lol at testing with a non vented side panel so the intake of the TF2 is is completely blocked and choked. After seeing that, it was obvious your results were going to be what they were. Kudos for the effort.. but the data is pretty pointless.
@marcc5768
2 жыл бұрын
would you be able to do a similar testing but with a 65W TDP CPU, like a 3700x or a 5600x? Not everyone has a 5900x or 5950x to compare as frame of reference.
@KaiSoDaM
2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, give me that CPU cooler test
@Magnulus76
2 жыл бұрын
The downward blowing coolers will also help cool VRMS and other parts of the motherboard, especially if the CPU is not under high load and the fan speed is sufficiently high. 32 degrees is not remotely hot for electronic components.
@vladimirljubopytnov5193
2 жыл бұрын
Did you noise normalize the results? Testing a cooler in a bad case setup will yield bad results.. You need to provide that downdraft cooler with fresh air from side panel, not let it recycle the same air all around. I wonder about the audio difference between TF2 and 3 at those 71 vs 74 deg, that 13.5cm slomo fan is extremely quiet in my experience.
@tamaskrisztiannagy3820
2 жыл бұрын
The downdraft coolers miss a cover from the sides, so those suck too much air next to the fins. I would like to see a downdraft cooler with covered sides funnelling the air outside on a side ventilated case without blowing it to the other components. It would be an interesting comparison to a tower cooler of the same size with covered sides like the CoolerMaster MA410M (with "Air-Guide Armor" as they call it) placed in a "standard" case using its full airflow potential, and with the same components.
@Xel_Naga
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Shadow Rock 3 for my 5600X off a dude on FB market just to get me through till I could get my watercooling back up and the stock cooler was "ok" but its been soooo good I haven't bothered doing much else
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