Jordan wasn't even unanimous in 96 with a 72 win team. Shows immense bias that even after he was a champ, some voters just refused to vote for him. The very next season, he comes back and leads his team to 69 wins and that's enough of an excuse to not vote him MVP. Unbelievable.
@camdynasty5938
10 ай бұрын
Crazy mj should have won mvp over Malone that season
@TheHeart419
10 ай бұрын
They knew he was the GOAT at that point.
@ericthomas917
10 ай бұрын
Malone won it the wrong year. Jordan should have won it '97 and Malone '98.
@freightJames
10 ай бұрын
Curry was lights out in 2016, MJ was great but statistically Curry was ridiculous
@thebasketballhistorian3291
9 ай бұрын
@@freightJames Curry did four things that season: 1. Lead a team to 73 wins. 2. Improve all his stats from a previous MVP season. 3. Become scoring champion. 4. Joined the 50-40-90 club. Even just one makes you an MVP candidate, but all four makes you unanimous.
@taylordunekacke5784
11 ай бұрын
Barkley got screwed. How could some voters not even put him on their ballot? What a joke.
@user-rr7bu9fe3k
11 ай бұрын
Man if this happened today it would literally be called the asterisk mvp by so many fans😭
@hakeemolajuwon4352
11 ай бұрын
People have always said that tho. You just know about it more today
@bboywolf
11 ай бұрын
It already did with Jokic during the bubble
@tobznoobs
11 ай бұрын
if it happened today there would be magic slander everywhere
@dxtremecaliber
10 ай бұрын
@@bboywolfand Jokic proved them wrong hahah
@Vysniuzz
10 ай бұрын
Like Embiid's. Couldn't do it when it counted
@turtleislandlac1490
11 ай бұрын
So Magic Johnson was the 1990 MVP and the 1991 MVP runner-up but apparently was "old" and on his "last leg" at 31 years old. If you ask Lebron fans and critics of Jordan.
@CrazyxEnigma
11 ай бұрын
Nobody sane says this. Edit: Apparently this delusional statement is said copiously online so I've edited my comment accordingly.
@MicroWave233
11 ай бұрын
@@CrazyxEnigma do you live under a rock, lebron fans always say that to discredit jordans 1st ring
@chrisdell5679
11 ай бұрын
@@MicroWave233 Yes they do.
@karmicobsession1636
11 ай бұрын
wow i never realized that he was that young
@underpressure07140
11 ай бұрын
Meanwhile old men Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili gentleman swept Lebron in 2014, and had to rely on old man Ray Allen to bail him out and save his legacy
@SuperNASCARrocks
11 ай бұрын
This race was very close. Both Barkley and MJ both had good cases for winning the award putting up great individual numbers. 25 PPG and 11 RPG for Charles along with MJ putting up 33 PPG and 7 APG. From the eye test it looked like Barkley should’ve won the award based on individual numbers. However Magic led the lakers to more wins.
@prlysis
11 ай бұрын
MJ also averaged 6.3 assists and 2.8 steals (1st in the league) to Barkley's 3.9 assists and 1.9 steals.
@trvspvrk
11 ай бұрын
Jordan cleared Chuck in individual stats and it wasn’t close
@eddieG667
10 ай бұрын
I remember this season vividly and don’t remember the MVP race being controversial actually. Magic would he named “athlete of the decade” as well and that banner would hang in the Forum. Keyword “athlete” and considering the names that decade like Joe Montana, Wayne Gretzky, Jerry Rice, etc that’s how much the media thought of him and his 5 championships. Meanwhile, Barkley would he labeled often as a bad boy and Jordan would get bounced from the playoffs every year. Scoring leaders usually weren’t considered winners then and that title would usually go to someone who was on a .500 team In the end, it was a popularity contest and not only did Magic have the most hype at the time, but his team also played in the 2nd biggest media city in the USA
@CrazyxEnigma
10 ай бұрын
@@eddieG667 Looking back I think the only reason it's viewed as controversial is because Barkley is the only candidate to have the most 1st place votes and not win it. If Magic had the most 1st place votes that angle goes away.
@eddieG667
10 ай бұрын
@@CrazyxEnigma you could be right, but I think an additional reason is Magic’s legacy really hasn’t aged well. Of all the all the greats growing up, I think the KZitem highlights and other social media posts keep pushing his stock down lower. It’s at a point of disrespect as far as i’m concerned. I guess out of dominant runs, the one that can’t get captured on a stat sheet or even highlights is Magic’s effect on a game. He can have 8 points on a stat sheet but yet dominated the game and elevated other players. Heck, he made someone MVP of an all star game who wasn’t even supposed to be there in 1987 in Tom Chambers
@chanendlerbong
11 ай бұрын
2016 MVP race got to be the closest race ever in NBA history
@yohaneswillbiehendrason4189
11 ай бұрын
i'm really shock they give him to steph. In my opinion, javale mcgee should have it
@NotGord
11 ай бұрын
@@yohaneswillbiehendrason4189Javale was a solid superstar that year but in my opinion Ish Smith was just slightly better.
@ch.illmatic
11 ай бұрын
I had Kawhi winning
@Bregstick
11 ай бұрын
Harrison Barnes got robbed smh
@THEEJoeSmith
11 ай бұрын
Y’all forgot Yogi Ferrell exist
@temmere
11 ай бұрын
Barkley's my favorite player, and I'm not really a fan of Jordan, but I've never quite understood the "Jordan's selfish" position. Yes, the guy is probably the most competitive human being to ever live, and his main goal in life seems to have been to convince the entire world that he was the best basketball player ever. But he averaged five or six assists a game during most of his prime years. One year he got eight assists per game. He was clearly passing the ball, and not just trying to hog all the glory for himself.
@andu1854
10 ай бұрын
He also passed up game winning shot so his teammates could shoot a better shot… he made all his teammates better, and is kinda insane
@RVered
10 ай бұрын
Fact: MJ and Kobe, who are often called "selfish," averaged more APG than Kevin Durant, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, James Worthy, Sydney Moncrief, Klay Thompson, etc. Also, MJ specifically averaged more than Rick Barry, Devin Booker, and Pete Maravich, in addition to being essentially tied, with statistically insignificant margins, with Clyde Drexler, Dwayne Wade, and Kyrie Irving. Both played when there was a stricter division between positions, without the modern NBA's positionless mentality. Players whose primary function on the court was to score from the perimeter (literally in the name of "SHOOTING guard.") were being selectively targeted for non-basketball reasons. The media's hypocrisy and legacy-damaging nonsense are out of control; in regards to conflicts with teammates and selfishness off the court, LeBron "participation trophy" James is worse: bullying Isaiah Thomas, publically calling out teammates, etc., in addition to far worse things like trading players on a whim, playing like a mercenary ring-chaser with no care for the teams and fanbases, forcing teams to give up everything to get what HE needs and leaving them in shambles with no future picks or assets whenever he jumps ship to farm rings with another team, calling himself "GOAT" and "King," etc.
@slingblade8963
10 ай бұрын
If a player is being doubled or triple teamed, he should average atleast 6 assists a game. Especially with the amount of time he had the ball.
@outlander234
10 ай бұрын
Not to mention he plays primarily off ball while Lebron(sorry to bring him up but this is main thing why everyone elevates him over Jordan) plays with ball and is ball hog dominant. The fact Jordan averaged as much as he did says how well he fit in a team. Bulls got 6 rings lol if he was so selfish they wouldbt have won as much.
@slingblade8963
10 ай бұрын
@@RVered A lot of the players you mentioned were either on teams that had a true point guard, were dominantly jump shooters or had a balanced team that allowed them to be defended single coverage. The impressive stat that has to be mentioned is Clyde Drexler's assists as he played the majority of his career with Terry Porter who was a true point guard. Then the latter of his career with the low post offence run through Olajuwon. Jordan never really played in a team with a true point guard.
@ColourShedProductions
11 ай бұрын
Congratulations on reaching half a million subscribers Andy! Well deserved! :)
@TheUltimateRage
11 ай бұрын
The MVP race is all about marketing. As Andy noted, the criteria for MVP are specifically kept vague so that it can be used as a topic to create content. Considering the fact that "the media" is merely just a group of people with microphones, everyone in media has their own view as to what constitutes an MVP. Their views can shift based on the person who they favor, which is why the narratives change from year to year. As an example, Russell Westbrook won an MVP because of amazing statistics despite OKC's less-than-stellar record as a 5th seed in the west. However, the context of HOW and WHY he won it is on some storybook shit. Obviously, you had the story about KD not only just leaving, but also joining Golden State who had just put them out after choking the 3-1 lead. Then, you had *that* specific game against Denver late in the season, where Westbrook accomplished 3 major feats. First, Westbrook secured the triple double record to supplant the Big O with a 50 point triple double (which he *could* have secured in the *previous* game against the Suns, but the Suns weren't havin' it). Second, he hit a CRAZY game winner *while* securing the record. Third, *that* win for OKC knocked the Nuggets out of playoff contention. So even though the Thunder weren't a GREAT team with a top record, the story being the story is what swung the MVP in Westbrook's favor, as well as his stunning, historic stats and amazing, intriguing playstyle. All those things combined to earn Westbrook an MVP. Now, get this, James Harden was in the running for MVP and was neck-and-neck with Westbrook, but the Westbrook story was just too good. Subsequently, perhaps even ironically, Harden's Rockets ended up putting out the MVP in the first round of the playoffs in 5 games, reached the WCF and went 7 games with arguably the most talented team ever assembled (the Warriors with KD).
@nevinjoseph7151
11 ай бұрын
I think u got ur years mixed up Rockets took the Warriors to 7 in 2017-18 when Harden won MVP Whereas what we're talking about is 2016-17
@Nothereman9999
11 ай бұрын
I never felt MVP voting criteria is vague, it's trying to find which singular player contributed most to their teams success, that can be done in a multitude of ways. Take Steve Nash's MVP, Phoenix won 29 games the year before he showed, then they won over 60. When they lost their best scorer, Nash still kept them afloat winning more than 50 games that season, that shows value to a team's success. Now take Westbrook in 2017. They only won 47 but how many would they have won if Westbrook wasn't there? 20 maybe? If Westbrook could only win 30 games he wouldn't have been MVP, the fact is it was a small miracle he dragged that team to the playoffs. It's not really a stat thing. In fact, I think it's a big reason why Giannis only won 2. Because since those MVP seasons we've seen Milwaukee win games without him, A LOT.
@75aces97
11 ай бұрын
Should’ve been Jordan. Wouldn’t have been upset if Barkley won it, but that mvp race gave us one of the best quotes. When magic won it, Barkley complained “Magic won because he makes James Worthy look good. I gotta make Shelton Jones look good!” 😂
@asvpfern
11 ай бұрын
congrats on 500k !! always been one of the best basketball channels
@itayrei2007
10 ай бұрын
Love your vids Andy! here is an intresting idea for your next video: Why the Cavs fire David Blatt (led them to the finals the year prior and had the best recored in the east yet still got fired)
@tarikbleak
11 ай бұрын
Almost nobody is old enough to remember but in 61-62 Wilt didn't win MVP after averaging 50 and 25 no matter how much you value team sucess it's hard to deny that this was the biggest robbery in NBA awards history.
@armandodelossantos736
11 ай бұрын
That year his team was dead last on defense and his PPG dropped dramatically in the playoffs.
@Fernando-vg4ym
11 ай бұрын
@@armandodelossantos736 C'mon 50 ppg and 25 rpg? and not winning? That's insane!!
@bingobongo496
11 ай бұрын
Empty stats over winning, russell deserve it and his collegues acknowledge it with that vote
@armandodelossantos736
11 ай бұрын
@@Fernando-vg4ym he took 39 FG's a game and his team was terrible on defense. Inflated numbers and back then players were actually ranked fairly. unlike the past 40 years or so.
@cdjhyoung
11 ай бұрын
@@Fernando-vg4ym Wilt put up those number on a team with near amateurs as support players. Russell played with a team full of future HOFers. See why the win column went in Russell's favor? Wilt very certainly got robbed that year.
@jaytok7
10 ай бұрын
dammn got caught up watching the Jordan highlights I missed some of the narration in the video.🤣🤣 MJ game is so aesthetically pleasing.
@danielvasquez3758
11 ай бұрын
Listen guys, if you have the most 1st place votes, then you should win!! No doubt about it!!!
@nocturne311
11 ай бұрын
You forgot to add the "First of all..." and "Secondly..."
@armandodelossantos736
11 ай бұрын
But how do you get all the first place votes when there's a player in the league who was top 10 in points, rebounds, steals, and blocks!
@Fernando-vg4ym
11 ай бұрын
@@armandodelossantos736 How about a player who was the top in four of the five top stats? Remember, Magic had much better teammates than MJ did that year.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
11 ай бұрын
@@Fernando-vg4ymBut that season Olajuwon avg 24ppg(#10), 14rpg(#1), 174 steals(#7), 376 blocks(#1) and didn't win MVP or DPOY!! That's the most complete stat line of all time, but it doesn't get awards in the NBA
@slipsenior1891
11 ай бұрын
Lol this conversation is EXACTLY wat this video covers. It's all subjective and "imprecise"
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
The 2001 league MVP also makes a great case as well. Shaq, Allen Iverson, and Tim Duncan finished in the top 3 in MVP voting. Shaq only finished 3rd after having virtually the same dominant season as from 2000. Not to mention, the 76ers and Spurs only finished with 2 more regular season wins over the Lakers during that season.
@ImadogGarcia
11 ай бұрын
Iverson was dominant in 01. Phi second leading scorer had 12 ppg
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
@@ImadogGarcia Are you talking about Dikembe Mutombo? I forgot to mention that he won DPOY that season.
@ImadogGarcia
11 ай бұрын
@@damonsonnier34 yep
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
@@ImadogGarcia The midseason trade definitely helped the 76ers reach the Finals. Without Dikembe Mutombo, I am not too sure if the 76ers make it out of the 2nd round. Both the Raptors and Bucks took them to 7 games in the Semis and ECF.
@CrazyxEnigma
11 ай бұрын
The Lakers were seen as a disappointment. They won 67 games the previous season and dropped to 56 not even the top seed in the West. The playoff dominance destroyed any notion that the Lakers were frauds or disappointing but that sentiment was there.
@turtleislandlac1490
11 ай бұрын
7 players in that 1990 race competing for MVP including Jordan. But apparently there was no talent in 1990 if you ask today's fans.
@frewtlewps1152
11 ай бұрын
I’d argue the 90s was more talented than the 2020s. It’s waaaayyyyy easier to win a title in today’s NBA bc of how offensively oriented the league is, and how much the refs manipulate the games.
@CrazyxEnigma
11 ай бұрын
The stars are as talented as they've always been. It's the role players that have gotten a lot better.
@cfl4286
10 ай бұрын
@@frewtlewps1152here’s something to ponder. Take a team of the best players of the 90s and put them up against the top players of the 2010s. Who wins? Pretty obvious the 90s team would win.
@maximus3294
10 ай бұрын
@@cfl4286that's the star power. that doesn't change era to era. the 90s probably had the highest concentration of star power. I agree with you. but as enigma said, the role players have gotten much better; modern era got 50-40-90 shooters like Jordan Poole who were coming off of the bench. or consider Manu ginobili, the best 6th man ever. could've been a starting guard but took that spot for the team. the floor for skill in the league has gotten much higher, and that's why folks say the league is much harder now. it's not that the stars were bums, it's that everyone else besides the stars weren't as good as the non-stars now
@poocrayon4588
10 ай бұрын
@@CrazyxEnigma Nah, it's just that the roles they play have changed. How many role players today have board banging defensive skills and are big bodies who can block out and dominate the paint defensively?
@chanendlerbong
11 ай бұрын
I still dont get it how you lose MVP if u have the most 1st place votes
@armandodelossantos736
11 ай бұрын
If you think that is crazy, that year Hakeem Olajuwon put up numbers like 24ppg(#10 in NBA), 14rpg(#1 in NBA), 174 steals(#7 in NBA), 376 blocks(#1 in NBA), and yet didn't win MVP or DPOY!
@ch.illmatic
11 ай бұрын
@armandodelossantos736 before his rings, Hakeem was known as 1st round exit merchant besides 1986, so it does kinda make sense
@AusCardDad
11 ай бұрын
@ch.illmatic but MVP is REGULAR season award mate. Playoffs shouldn't be factored in.
@jp3813
11 ай бұрын
@@armandodelossantos736 That's nothing compared to Bill Russell (19 ppg, 24 rpg, 5 apg) winning over Wilt Chamberlain (50 ppg, 26 rpg, 2 apg) & Oscar Robertson (31 ppg, 13 rpg, 11 apg)) in 1962.
@ajhaynes8204
11 ай бұрын
It's called the electoral college...lol...
@onlyfacts3178
11 ай бұрын
LAKERS won 63 games and MAGIC was playing without KAREEM for the 1st time..people were saying that LAKERS would start losing.
@armandodelossantos736
11 ай бұрын
I guess Big Game James wasn't there and neither was the rest of the Showtime Lakers
@user-cs6up8eq7s
11 ай бұрын
They did lose in the playoffs in 1990 in the semifinals against the Phoenix Suns total Stunner
@lucasgodoy1501
10 ай бұрын
Yo andy, your channel is fire!! all of the lil details are pointed!! and in this season i think that the stats of david robinson is insane, from a lakers fan!! in that time the nba was loaded
@LargeDude2023
11 ай бұрын
MJ was phenomenal but people that weren’t around don’t understand how much Magic was loved by the fans. He and Bird did so much for the NBA at a time when the league was struggling. The Lakers basically became his team when he arrived as a rookie. To me, he is the second greatest player ever.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
11 ай бұрын
I got Magic at #3
@LargeDude2023
11 ай бұрын
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Can't argue with you there. I've gone back and forth between Magic and Kareem at #2.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
11 ай бұрын
@@LargeDude2023 I got Kareem at #6 all time. I just can't get past his 5 years without Oscar or Magic.... plus Kareem got eliminated by almost every dominant center he's ever faced in the playoffs
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 1972 Wilt Chamberlain, 1973 Nate Thurmond, 1974 Dave Cowens, 1977 Bill Walton, 1981 and 83 Moses Malone, 1984 Robert Parish, and 1986 Hakeem Olajuwon.
@LargeDude2023
11 ай бұрын
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Can't argue with you there. For me, I remember how unstoppable the skyhook was and the fact that he was a center piece of 6 championships. Couple that with 6 regular season MVPs, which are an indication of the quality of his play during those years.
@MrE_
11 ай бұрын
6:17 lol when you hear the words "late season surge" in todays nba, it implies some late season surgery that one of the top nba players has for some injury
@klintonwheeler7136
10 ай бұрын
Man Andy gets a lot of great old footage
@Blackenedification
11 ай бұрын
How in the world could some media say that Jordan was a selfish player when he averaged over 6 assists per game, he basically had the best all-around stats over Magic and Chuck ...
@camdynasty5938
10 ай бұрын
Exactly that’s what I’m saying, just bc he averaged 33ppg they want to call him selfish. But he averaged 6 assists and 6 rebounds it’s just outrageous
@freightJames
10 ай бұрын
@camdynasty5938 no it's because they actually WATCHED basketball while y'all keep posting stats lol. It was also the shit he did and said. He literally said he wanted Doug over Phil because Phil was gonna take the ball outta his hand and Doug let him do whatever he wants, which was score and leave his other teammates on an island lmao Then, his whole triple-double run was nothing more to gain attention of the voters. He wanted to show them he could play like Bird and Magic, had nothing to do with winning....and they didn't win. That stretch of games when he had 10 triples in 11 games, the Bulls went 5-6, including a 5 games losing streak lmao Casuals need to stay outta grown folks conversations
@harold_AhHock
11 ай бұрын
Great content Andy
@FightEuphoria
10 ай бұрын
2:52 “the 1999 MVP” 😂
@DrThomTheOriginal
10 ай бұрын
The Sports Illustrated "Role Model" title with the picture of Malone. XD
@slimypickle19
11 ай бұрын
No problem with Magic winning it. Look how many ppg he was responsible for with points & assists. And then to go 63-19 after losing Kareem? He earned it. Maybe instead of crying about it, Chuck should've unleashed his wrath on the league like MJ did to Karl Malone in 97 or Chuck in 93 or even vs Drexler in 92 when guys thought he should've won instead.
@danielvasquez3758
11 ай бұрын
Oh yeah great video Andy!! Thanks!!
@JXsneakerhead
11 ай бұрын
Dope vid as always Andy 💯
@1Dager3
11 ай бұрын
Amazing video!!! 💯%🔥
@dominiclee5786
11 ай бұрын
Magic Johnson won the 1989-90 NBA regular season MVP because he has the best smile. In fact, he has the best smile in the entire NBA history.
@brucelau2023
11 ай бұрын
for sure aside from the 1989-90 MVP race and for sure the controversial 1992-93 MVP voting I still dont get it how you lose MVP if u have the most 1st place votes
@armandodelossantos736
11 ай бұрын
I don't get how you can be #10 in points, #1 in rebounds, #7 in steals, and #1 in blocks and not win MVP or DPOY! Olajuwon recorded 24ppg, 14rpg, 174 steals, and 376 blocks and didn't win either award.
@CrazyxEnigma
11 ай бұрын
@@armandodelossantos736Because the team wasn't winning. Westbrook and Jokic are the only two in the modern NBA to win it on a lower seeded team.
@MrKT410
10 ай бұрын
In 1990 Jordan led the league in Win Shares, Win shares per 48, VORP, BPM, PER, and points.
@x-man9473
10 ай бұрын
And steals
@victorvelez8144
10 ай бұрын
How Good was TOM CHAMBERS -Dale Ellis -Terry Cummings -Xavier Macdaniel
@tosenstardom2316
11 ай бұрын
What happens to push the NBA in a winning and profitable direction is usually the right fit, same with awards such as the Oscars and countless others. And sometimes players are simply due their win based on consistency over a number of years then tenure plays its roll.
@dasher920
11 ай бұрын
6:44 that’s when Michael Jordan started taking everything personally
@davengeance4811
11 ай бұрын
Man Charles was all by his damn self on that squad....I get why they gave it to Magic tho - for marketing purposes 🙄 but Charles was robbed
@joel8692
11 ай бұрын
Nah Barkley wasn't by himself he had Kevin Johnson as his PG putting up 20 and 8
@davengeance4811
11 ай бұрын
@@joel8692 that was later in 93
@davengeance4811
11 ай бұрын
@@joel8692 ya heard!
@sideshowbobsaget8876
10 ай бұрын
@@davengeance48111990 Sixers had a good squad. Barkley wasn't alone
@shauncain3280
11 ай бұрын
MISTAKE AT 2:53.... You said the "1999 MVP" 😂😂😂... GOTCHA
@user-cs6up8eq7s
11 ай бұрын
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@jsports2665
10 ай бұрын
They often give it to the most important player on the best winning team aka Lakers and Magic
@chrismazeffa696
11 ай бұрын
point guards are given a lot of credit. They always have the ball and have the option for an assist or a score. If Barkley played point, both points and assists would go up (in theory - yes I know he's not a point guard). To leave Barkley off the top 3 was silly. If he's not 1st, he's 2nd and so on. They need to interview the people that left him off. Barkley shouldn't be penalized for not having teammates and a crap record. He never played with an all star until Phoenix with Dan Marjerle.
@joel8692
11 ай бұрын
Barkley played with Kevin Johnson on the suns. KJ was one of the top PG in the league before the knee injury. He was putting up 20 and 8 yearly
@sideshowbobsaget8876
10 ай бұрын
Barkley was drafted to the Sixers with Moses, Doc, Cheeks, B.Jones and Andrew Toney. Barkley had help most of his career
@chrismazeffa696
10 ай бұрын
@@joel8692 - I'm a KJ fan. He wasn't an all-star while Barkley was there. Barkley never had a Pippen/Worthy/Kareem sidekick. I wish he did. His life would be different!
@mongoslade277
10 ай бұрын
@@sideshowbobsaget8876Come on man. If you know that you know that team was slipping. The 76ers lost to the Nets in the 1st round the year Barkley was drafted. The Sixers lost every home game in the series. By Barkley 3rd season they all were gone
@AirRusher1992
11 ай бұрын
This seems like an interesting topic. I think it could'vw done either way consider the fact that Magic's Lakers got ousted early in the second round.
@mongoslade277
10 ай бұрын
Didn't Phoenix sweep them that year?? That 2nd round loss to Phoenix got Pat Riley fired
@willbelasco
11 ай бұрын
Great video, some editing feedback, it would have been helpful if you explained how the voting works. I actually had no idea how it did, was able to put it together.
@onlyfacts3178
11 ай бұрын
GREAT VIDEO showing some knowledge...you got a new subscriber here.
@marioaustin9312
11 ай бұрын
Imagine this happening today with Twitter and you tube
@0xx0_Lester
11 ай бұрын
you should do the case in 1976 season mvp race
@powerboatguy2308
10 ай бұрын
When you look at Barkley stats they were insane. He had highest FG% in the NBA (while not having another star on the team, constantly getting double teamed), a top 5 scorer, a top 5 rebounder and could distribute the ball. He got robbed that year because his team was not as good as the lakers.
@phenomenal-fitness
11 ай бұрын
What?! Lol You hear that Rich Paul and Bronsexuals? The media said “Jordan would never Magic or Bird”. They said “His style of play would never win a championship”. “He’s a selfish player!”. “He’ll never get past the Pistons.” So much for Jordan never getting criticism. 😂😂😂😂
@d3adyoutubeaccount
11 ай бұрын
2:50 1990*
@Mornings
11 ай бұрын
This is why voting should be done by the players and voting for a teammate should be banned.
@blacknetsmed
11 ай бұрын
By players? Then you'll have nonsense like Wes Unseld winning MVP as a rookie w/pedestrian stats or Kareem winning MVP while missing the Playoffs.
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
@@blacknetsmed Or Bill Russell winning league MVPs over both Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson. An injured Bill Walton winning MVP over George Gervin and David Thompson. Dave Cowens winning MVP over a prime Kareem.
@MoralesCorner
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, would be kind of a popularity contest. Not saying it's not already, but you know some stars were not really in good terms with most of the league as it has been pointed out
@temmere
10 ай бұрын
I've always thought Defensive Player of the Year should be at least partly player-voted. Obviously there could be problems with bias, but no one knows how hard it is to score against certain players than the guys actually doing the scoring.
@diaha4398
11 ай бұрын
It still blows my mind that people gave westbrick an mvp trophy for averaging a triple double in the entire season when his team literally lost games because of his selfishness trying to get stats. How was he the most valuable player when he was litteraly devaluing the team he was in
@jayow3391
10 ай бұрын
CRYYYYY. literally was the clutchest player that season. okc wouldnt make the playoffs if he didnt carry them lmaooo
@diaha4398
10 ай бұрын
@@jayow3391 Russel is the definition of empty stats. It didn't even help trade him because of his terrible contract. There is a difference between being selfish and "backpacking". Russ was the "superstar" of the team not because it helped the team but because it helped him. This is evident in games where they would surely loose but he was still doing crap just for a triple double. ALSO, plenty of players that season carried their team, but to be honest, if OKC just started tanking they would probably be better off today.
@jayow3391
10 ай бұрын
@@diaha4398 says who? you?? lmfaoo. Like I said, the difference between those superstars that was carrying the team was that russ was winning them games. he was the CLUTCHEST player that season, multiple game winners, and multiple takeovers in the 4th. Theres literally a stat where if he was on the bench, OKC was like a negative 30 or more. yall literally have no proof that he's statpadding and him being selfish. that season alone they had a winning record when he has a triple double, barely losing when gets one. so statpadding my ass. blaming the player who actually is doing something to help his team win isnt a good look. for starters OKC was a weak shooting team yet they were almost a 50 win team. teammates had nothing but respect and positive things to say about him. unlike you who says nonsense without no basis whatsoever. yikesss
@mongoslade277
10 ай бұрын
@@diaha4398I like Westbrook but a good point otherwise. Watching games that season you could see Steven Adams giving Westbrook rebounds
@diaha4398
10 ай бұрын
@@mongoslade277 EXACTLY. Not just that but when he needed assists you could see him passing to guarded players. He would be wide open under the basket, pass outside and then get angry at teammates when they would pass to someone else instead of taking a terrible contested shot. I know Russ was an underdog when he came into the league and I have nothing against him. But his attitude always sucked towards everybody. Teammates and fans alike.
@IvanGlavas
11 ай бұрын
Ahhhh. What an era.
@richardnatividad9800
10 ай бұрын
andy can you also rank the year by year best all first team. thank you hope u notice.
@vincesalamander5980
9 ай бұрын
In my idea, three two main stats to use to judge who is the best player of a season are the Box Plus/Minus the Win Share and the Number of victory of your team Win share and Box PM because these stats were created for that, to tell how a player contributed to a victory (which is I think the true definition of a Valuable Player) But I think that have a Win Share of 16 in a very good team could be more impressive that have a WS of 20 in a very bad. Because in a very good team, that's less easy to be remarkable. If the team is bad around you, you will be more remarkable. And based on that, I think the MVP should be Magic or MJ, based on what do you think was more valuable, and Barcklay a solid third.
@connorpena373
10 ай бұрын
I’m so confused, I didn’t realize Jordan played before 1991
@LorolinAstori
11 ай бұрын
Jordan himself admitted his selfishness while it took Jackson to convince him to change so people criticizing Jordan could not win playing like that. Truth
@cdjhyoung
11 ай бұрын
I'm of the opinion the MVP should be the best player on the best team in the league. That said, with all the talk about which of these three players should have been MVP, the best player on the best team was Isiah Thomas of the Pistons. SO where is he in this discussion?
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
With all due respect to Isiah Thomas, he was not that productive in 1990. Not to mention, he had a fantastic supporting cast with Joe Dumars, Bill Laimbeer, Vinnie Johnson, Mark Aguirre, John Salley, James Edwards, etc. In 1990, Isiah Thomas averaged 18.2PTS, 3.8REB, 9.2AST, 1.7STL, and 43.8FG%.
@CrazyxEnigma
11 ай бұрын
Same reason Booker didn't win it you need the great stats and top seed the majority of the time. Zeke by then was arguably not even the best player on his team anymore.
@jakemurphy3352
11 ай бұрын
Jordan still should’ve won it
@renanribeiro7073
11 ай бұрын
what a great video.
@ngarci8040
11 ай бұрын
Now see this is 100% a good video…!!! BUT it was 1990 not 99’…
@YuriyKhasidov-ee8zd
9 ай бұрын
Ewing should have won it. He has the best numbers all round including the best defense out of all of them!
@MauMauBinghi
11 ай бұрын
This is why All-Nba trumps all-star and All-Pro trumps pro bowl appearances.
@joel8692
11 ай бұрын
Duhhhhh
@yuriykhasidov1626
11 ай бұрын
This was the closest mvp race. If the knicks had a better record Ewing would of win it. Again nba team record is a determining factor!
@robertweir5313
10 ай бұрын
I think Kevin McHale should have been promoted with some Mvp points too
@ronmangoba1159
10 ай бұрын
What if Magic made his announcement that changed his NBA career forever 2 years earlier (but instead of retiring immediately, he decides to continue playing at least for that 1989-90 season), would that affect his run for MVP in terms of his image?
@DreDaDon16
11 ай бұрын
Karl Malone could have easily won this award 31 and 11 geeeez
@faizannizami1835
11 ай бұрын
2016 was close too 😂😂
@frewtlewps1152
11 ай бұрын
Idk about that. If 2016 resulted in a unanimous MVP, then I don’t think it was close. Well, if ur joking then forget what I just said lol.
@CrazyxEnigma
11 ай бұрын
Lots of fans love to throw around the word robbed as hyperbole. This one is the only one in the modern NBA that word isn't hyperbole. Barkley had the most 1st place votes and should've won period.
@x-man9473
10 ай бұрын
97. MJ should have won that one
@CrazyxEnigma
10 ай бұрын
@@x-man9473 I don't think Jordan was literally robbed though. It's arguable though I think most would say it was motivated by voter fatigue. I personally think Jordan should've won in 97 and Malone in 98 instead of what happened.
@x-man9473
10 ай бұрын
@@CrazyxEnigma MJ should have won in both 97 and 98. On both occasions, he had the best record in the league. He led the league in scoring and made an all defensive team. And his crucial teammates were missing a lot of games. In 97, Rodman, Kukoc, Longley, Wennington missed a significant amount of games. In 98, Pippen, Longley, Wennington, and Kerr missed a lot of games. Having the best record in spite of all of those injuries as well as having offensive and defensive accolades makes you the most valuable player by definition.
@CrazyxEnigma
10 ай бұрын
@@x-man9473 That's a good argument for Jordan winning it instead, still don't think it's robbery though. Barkley's loss in 90 was more egregious imo. You had multiple people leaving him off the ballot entirely because they didn't like him whether do to the spitting incident, the "I'm not a role model" speech or just plain old dislike. Politics played too much of a role instead of just looking at how he played on the court.
@trvspvrk
11 ай бұрын
Karl Malone had a better case than Chuck. 31 & 11 > 25 & 11 and Malone won 2 more games
@robertweir5313
10 ай бұрын
The closest was in 1987 when magic just barely squeezed by Bird for mvp
@jadentesai
11 ай бұрын
This is highway robbery from jordan. Just looking at the numbers you see that. Not to factor in that he was first team all defense while magic and Barkley were cones on defense
@Watchingvideoslikeu
11 ай бұрын
The context to the narrative around pre-championship MJ makes me not put as much pressure on players today because if the media hated on MJ they’ll hate on anyone.
@jendlti
11 ай бұрын
but it only made Jordan strong, but players today, not sure?
@RobertLewis85
11 ай бұрын
2:51 sounds like 1999 MVP
@nataliapaembonan785
11 ай бұрын
Right
@alejandroperez6685
11 ай бұрын
I mean, seen the statistical table you show in the video chick has the "worst" statistics. Even Ewing and Robinson, even if they scoe less, come on 4 bpg and more than 1.5 steals... and of course the other 3 are fantastic. It is true that advance statistics are not shown there...
@AnHebrewChild
11 ай бұрын
4:20 revisionist history. That's simply not true. By 1989, Michael Jordan was more recognizable and more celebrated by fans worldwide than Magic Johnson. Those of us who lived during this time, know that what you said at 4:20 is untrue.
@Kira-kv1mz
11 ай бұрын
💯
@mongoslade277
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely Not. The 1990 season I was a freshman in college and Jordan didn't eclipse Magic Johnson on the world stage until the 1991 season when the Bulls beat the Lakers in the finals. Basketball people will acknowledge that by 1987 Jordan was a better player than Magic
@Robi2009
10 ай бұрын
2:51 - wait,1999? I though it was 1989...
@rfwhyte
11 ай бұрын
Chuck ain't got no right to be upset, if anyone should have gotten it was MJ. 34/7/6 is an ungodly statline and miles ahead in terms of impact compared to the rest of the front runners.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
11 ай бұрын
Olajuwon avg 24ppg, 14rpg, 2.2spg, and 4.6bpg on 51% FG, Olajuwon buried them all that season
@jadentesai
11 ай бұрын
@@hakeemolajuwon4352and only won 41 games.
@alexloeher8628
10 ай бұрын
@hakeemolajuwon4352 obviously you're a fanboy based on your name, but this is why we used advanced stats so we don't have to argue what's better between say, 30/5/5 and 20/10/10. Olajuwon was 8th in PER, 12th in WS, 20th in WS/48, 8th in BPM and 8th in VORP. It's clear he wasn't nearly as game changing as these 3 this year and that's why his team only won 41 games and he finished 7th in voting
@hakeemolajuwon4352
10 ай бұрын
@@alexloeher8628 come on, unless you're talking about what actually happened on the court, you are literally not even talking basketball. You have no idea how to even calculate PER or what it even represents! You have no idea how win shares are calculated and you didn't watch the games, so you literally have no idea what you're talking about. Stats without context are meaningless, and advanced stats take every single bit of context out.
@hakeemolajuwon4352
10 ай бұрын
@@jadentesai SMH go watch games buddy, you obviously don't know NBA history
@ajthehandle9126
11 ай бұрын
That was close but it was deserved like every mvp
@pv2639
11 ай бұрын
Drugz Barkley high on mvp. Now we know why he ended up as a ringless wonder 😂
@SlabbyMess
10 ай бұрын
What makes votes first,second, and third place votes? What is it?
@lishtins
11 ай бұрын
Ngl these awards have lost its value in recent years because of the media.
@kenyu8192
11 ай бұрын
0:33-0:36...Adam Silvers lol
@spyroninja
11 ай бұрын
33.6 ppg in 1990, damn
@slingblade8963
11 ай бұрын
Magic had a better team than Barkley. It's most valuable player, not most valuable team.
@jaykaynum5569
10 ай бұрын
I love Sir Charles. It's still Jordan Magic(a close second) Barkley Malone Ewing. Get David outta here 😂
@scorpionJB
10 ай бұрын
As a Lakers fan...Barkley should have won
@bemjeteususi8788
10 ай бұрын
The closest MVP race was in 2005 Shaq vs Nash
@rjhooper9226
11 ай бұрын
Charles was intentionally screwed. magic didn’t deserve it.
@user-cs6up8eq7s
11 ай бұрын
Neither one of them did Jordan got screwed
@user-cs6up8eq7s
11 ай бұрын
Jordan should have won this by 10 miles
@jakob9614
11 ай бұрын
7:20 Hilarious how a voter more than 30 years ago knew exactly what the league was doing. Yet every year you see bums on twitter complaining about it lol
@ynotefil
10 ай бұрын
Wait 🫷🏼So You Are Telling Me That BARKLEY Almost Won MVP In 1999.
@tracy197
10 ай бұрын
Wasn’t a young Larry Bird also a polarizing figure yet won 3 straight mvps? Maybe he was just that good and the media had no choice but to vote for him lol
@ianyoung8392
11 ай бұрын
Can we also acknowledge Charles was individually greater than Malone and it's not close in talent.
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
If we are talking shear talent and well rounded players, then Charles Barkley was better than Karl Malone. If we were to break it down regarding who was the better player, then I would compare their best 5 year stretch. Karl Malone: 1989-93: 28.8PTS, 11.2REB, 3.1AST, 1.4STL, 0.8BLK, 53.7FG%. Charles Barkley: 1989-93: 25.5PTS, 11.5REB, 4.3AST, 1.7STL, 0.7BLK, 56.1FG%.
@ianyoung8392
11 ай бұрын
@@damonsonnier34 karl Malone played in a great system that he lucked out with at Utah with Stockton and coach Sloan. Barkley had the rockiest set of experiences in comparison.
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
@@ianyoung8392 There is no doubt about that. The Jazz had the best pick and roll system duo of all time. It is hard to say if Stockton would have as many assists without Malone, or if Malone would have as many points without Stockton. As for Charles Barkley, he struggled In Philadelphia due to the lack of help he was receiving, and he did not have help until he played in Phoenix. He had Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Cedrick Ceballos, Richard Dumas, Tom Chambers, Danny Ainge, etc. The best player Barkley had in Philly was either Andrew Toney or Maurice Cheeks.
@sideshowbobsaget8876
11 ай бұрын
@@ianyoung8392Barkley joined the Sixers with Moses and Doc. Malone and the Jazz were 5th in the West without Stockton. Malone avg 25-11 on 53%
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Are you talking about 1993? Actually, I think the Jazz finished 6th in the West, and they lost to the Sonics in the first round. That was the only time the Jazz did not finish as a top 5 seed during the 90s.
@mr.kwamid-86_43
11 ай бұрын
subjective award, means nothing!
@DanieldeBavaria
10 ай бұрын
Look at Jordan's numbers & his defense, it's a crime that he did not win.
@dereksupernaut
10 ай бұрын
after '86 MJ should have been the MVP every year with Magic & Bird playing with All-Star teammates and both being average at best man-to-man defenders (no zone defense allowed)... from '87 to '93 and '96 to '98 for 10 MVPs total should have all gone to MJ... fax!!!
@eggsy0604
11 ай бұрын
Next topic the only unanimous mvp voting in 2016
@hakeemolajuwon4352
11 ай бұрын
Like he said, NARRATIVES!
@mongoslade277
10 ай бұрын
That's bc of Fred Hickman
@dasher920
11 ай бұрын
10:35 **cough**Kendrick Perkins
@Vps404
11 ай бұрын
i think 2006 mvp race was far more controversial. While steve nash did indeed deserve that 2005 mvp because of that turnaround he brought to that suns team, in 2006 you had kobe scoring 36ppg, shaq with the team that had the best record, and duncan and dirk as usual. That mvp race was far more worse
@nocturne311
11 ай бұрын
I think Shaq deserved it in 2005, Kobe in 2006 and Nash in 2007.
@damonsonnier34
11 ай бұрын
LeBron was also in contention as well. He finished 2nd in league MVP voting, and he averaged 31, 7, and 7 during the regular season.
@kevincampbell4708
11 ай бұрын
@@nocturne311 Shaq did not deserve the 2005
@davidzonyga5828
10 ай бұрын
6:14 real mvp
@usmnt4423
10 ай бұрын
This is like the baseball hall of fame voters, can’t give people too much credit, gotta like people who like the reporters, make and follow the narratives.
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