It seems like the show writers forgot the NCR came from Vault 15
@dumpanimator
Ай бұрын
Yeah you are right great khan and ncr was both from vault 15
@autisticusretardius101
Ай бұрын
@@dumpanimator also the way less significant vipers and jackals, all racially distinct as the experiment in the vault was essentially racial diversity and that lead to them being segmented off into groups. Vipers and jackals were also supposed to be in FO1 but were unfortunately cut.
@dylankasch7742
Ай бұрын
Not to mention vault fucking city too. They did not care when making this.
@mosesbrown4126
Ай бұрын
>TFW you know the showrunners will not remember MoeTheCentaur exists, he knows, and he sees them.
@MrEdioss
Ай бұрын
Or ghoul lore being completely wrong.
@boogame272
2 ай бұрын
Notice how Sinclair looks like Gizmo. I bet if you ask one of the show runners who Sinclair is in Fallout they would point to Gizmo.
@ytmld
Ай бұрын
that guy looks EXACTLY like gizm lmfaoo
@funki4896
Ай бұрын
Don't project your ignorance onto others. Your entire opinion on how Sinclair looks is based of an artistic in game depiction that appears only once amd that could very well be a fake one that is supposed to be flattering
@boogame272
Ай бұрын
@@funki4896 now you saying that it might be a fake depiction is literally head-cannon. You’re guessing Sinclair was lying about his image, we know little of the character to do something like this. I am only stating what I’m seeing and even if it is one image in reference to him as a mural it should be upheld regardless of “we’re not gonna follow some terminal entry from 10 years ago”.
@funki4896
Ай бұрын
@@boogame272 if the fans of Lord of the Rings had only half of your scrutiny on Gollum's look in the movies 🤣
@BizarreM
Ай бұрын
@@funki4896 Except Gollum is portrayed more or less alike to his book counterpart, except for having clothes and his webbed feet, whereas Sinclair looks not even remotely close to his in game appearance.
@charminxyz
Ай бұрын
I think that Todd really really likes the brotherhood and he was kinda butthurt that ncr actually beats the brotherhood in helios
@woocashP
Ай бұрын
Todd hates everything that's popular that he didint create
@Sarcasmses
Ай бұрын
@@woocashP What is your basis for this? Do you know him personally?
@woocashP
Ай бұрын
@@Sarcasmses I see a pattern in modern fallout games and the show - for example the Brotherhood was not only needlesly brought back in 4 but also it was brought back as a completly different faction, same in the show, season 2 they will tackle new vegas and i really dont want to know how thats going to end.
@aaronlaughter6471
27 күн бұрын
@@woocashP So making convoluted shit up to protect your ignorance, got it.
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
@@Sarcasmses why did Shady Sands move to Southern California? Why did they turn Roger Maxson into a pacifist? Why are there super mutants in Appalachia (or anywhere on the East coast for that matter)? Why does the world look like it just blew up last week 200+ years after the war? All evidence that Todd doesn’t give a shit. Where’s your evidence? Look, Todd and his ZeniMax shareholders only wanted to take the name Fallout for himself, not honor it.
@endlessducks4567
2 ай бұрын
I hate how power armor is just funny iron man suit
@mudkipmadness7072
2 ай бұрын
It was that way in fallout 4 to be honest. This series feels so much more inspired by the "ooh look cool stuff" of 4 than the intricate storytelling of 1, 2, and NV.
@Slender_Man_186
2 ай бұрын
@@mudkipmadness7072even Fallout 4 didn’t go full retread with the power armor, there was no stupid mask opening or arm and boot thrusters capable of jetting across the sky, I didn’t like the Fallout 4 jet pack but at least it was made somewhat believable by having it be a large piece of equipment that only allowed you to ascend a few stories before needing to land again.
@endlessducks4567
2 ай бұрын
It seems that they read the Wikipedia article of fallout 4 and new Vegas and made a show out of it
@arawn1061
2 ай бұрын
The Marvel cinematic universe and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
@WolfJarl
Ай бұрын
They're trying to turn it and the Brotherhood of Steel into Space Marines.
@chaebaby6722
2 ай бұрын
You're spot on about the Brotherhood being butchered. Realistically, Thaddeus and Maximus never should have been promoted to be squires when they lack skill in vital areas. The Brotherhood was never incompetent like this. They're an organization that is supposed to be highly disciplined and educated. Instead, the show makes them into a very on the nose bloodthirsty cult.
@Radscorp
2 ай бұрын
Fallout 3. Shut up, yes they have been that incompetent. Maybe actually pay attention when you play the games man, the writing isn't all that great. Fallout 1, 2, and vegas are exceptions. And even then the writing for 1 & 2 wasn't all that great either because they didn't have the full vision yet.
@DrFudge-ky5ub
2 ай бұрын
@@Radscorp I though they were poorly written in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, but the show takes it to a whole new level. Don't really think you can measure it up even to Fallout 4's writing. Fallout is becoming a boring series with the main focus always being the Brotherhood, super mutants, ghouls, and power armor (the most marketable aspects). New Vegas has a much smaller Brotherhood presence, power armor was hard to get, ghouls were used sparingly, and super mutants were used sparingly. Therefore, when you met these groups, it was a lot more impactful. Didn't make the game any worse. Also don't understand how Fallout 1 and 2 couldn't be well thought out just because they were the first in the series (you'd have to say that every first game in a franchise was not well thought out or well written). Just think it's another case of another team picking up a franchise, but not measuring up to the talents of the previous creators. Nothing to get too angry about or take too personally.
@excalibur2772
Ай бұрын
@@DrFudge-ky5ubMate this is a rendition series. It's going to use all the highlights of the series moron
@WolfJarl
Ай бұрын
I honestly think Bethesda and Amazon really want to do Warhammer 40K, but since Games Workshop is so stingy with their IPs they just rook Fallout and made the Brotherhood of Steel a combination of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Iron Hands Space Marines. Power armors suddenly having booming voices like Space Marines, and the fact they come off less like actual tech experts and more akin to the Admech who worship technology while not actually knowing how it works and instead pray to it and burn incense and rub scented oils on it instead of actually repairing it.
@nickelakon5369
Ай бұрын
Thaddeus and maximus would have been knights like 5-10 years ago, they're both like 30, why the fuck are they initiates when initiates are basically supposed to be 16 to maybe like 22 at oldest.
@Darkington
Ай бұрын
"But Fallout is supposed to be stupid!" -Fallout Tourists
@gruggsming32
Ай бұрын
"You dont understand giant lizards and robot suits and zombies is cool and realisitc! Bro its just like a super dark metaphor for like america, war and capitalism!"
@Celebriedad
Ай бұрын
@@gruggsming32 Well, it IS a methapor for America, War and Capitalism. It has been since Fallout 1, don't know what are you going on about there.
@Son_Kar
Ай бұрын
@@CelebriedadIt wasn’t just about that (though it was a big part of it) Fallout was also supposed to be a post POST apocalypse where you personally decide (depending on how you made your backstory) what you thought was best for the wasteland and on the main and side quests where you had to make a lot of morality questionable decisions that didn’t always have a clear answer on which was the right one.
@Celebriedad
Ай бұрын
@@Son_Kar I totally agree on that. Gameplay wise, that's what makes the series so appealing. However, I think it's a deeper aspect of the game that's harder to sell to a general audience on a tv show. I mean, you learn about all those shades of grey by talking to many npcs and doing lots of side quests. I think the focus of the director of the show was in nailing the overall atmosphere of the game and just graced the surface of the complex moral ambiguity of the series, mainly for laughs thorugh Lucy and her initial naivety.
@Son_Kar
Ай бұрын
@@Celebriedad Well you could possibly pull off that type of moral ambiguity in the games but to a lesser extent in a show but the biggest problems would be limited time and hooking an audience without boring them to death with the main themes. A channel that I used to watch called Just The Facts (before he deleted it, I think he was messaging kids inappropriately or something) on why the Marvel movies suck and I think it applies here as well “The problem is that these movies/shows are marketed to be relatable and entertaining to the advantage individual but the advantage individual just isn’t that interesting, most of them are just 20 to 40 year olds who are only interested in smoking pot and watching explosions and comedy on TV”.
@Alex_FRD
2 ай бұрын
I'm glad that Fallout Prime is undergoing The Force Awakens effect; the hype has passed, the tourists have moved on, the fans are speaking out.
@yaldabraxas
2 ай бұрын
Here's a hope, but i doubt it will happen. Unless all of those FO-«influencers» who had praised it go out publicly how bad the show is and their «followers» don't start bleating about every fallout fan being vaild, there's no way the general public opinion of the franchise will change.
@slashfan091
2 ай бұрын
Once season 2 drops the hype will revive. If it’s anything like the boys reception then it’ll take a few seasons before the masses realize it’s trash (but they’ll only call the later seasons trash)
@TheFrostFilesPodcast
2 ай бұрын
@@yaldabraxasthe show is not bad at all
@yaldabraxas
2 ай бұрын
@@TheFrostFilesPodcast Somehow the Enclave returned, we gotta find our father. Also, all the fan-favorite factions have been nuked out of frame.
@mysampleid
2 ай бұрын
@@yaldabraxas also "we once ruled the wasteland" (never lol)
@janka4820
2 ай бұрын
honestly i don't really like how ghouls look in the series they're suppose to be actually rotting, not look like deadpool
@Radscorp
2 ай бұрын
They aren't though, the shows depiction is better then the games simply because it's more accurate to real radiation burns. Radiation doesn't just making you a shambling zombie mate, you aren't just going to melt from radiation like that without very very very specific conditions being met.
@EmperorAmbrose
2 ай бұрын
@@Radscorp Youre decaying for 200 years. ghouls shouldnt looke like the bombs *just* happened.
@greygoo6945
2 ай бұрын
@Radscorp you're taking about realism in a game with super mutants, giant scorpions, prirrana plants, psychics, death claws, should I continue?
@EmperorAmbrose
2 ай бұрын
@@greygoo6945 Just because some rules of reality are stretched for the sake of the setting, doesnt mean that all those rules should be tossed out the window entirely. Something Bethesda and its fanbase seems to have trouble grasping.
@emmanuelmontilla7645
Ай бұрын
@@greygoo6945 suspension of belief does not mean that a depiction of some fictional creature can't be reiterated in some other shape or form, might be creative differences and style, if ya like the old design, good, if the new one sucks for you then that's too bad.
@babylonisfallen4411
Ай бұрын
I think you're wrong. Fallout show is the perfect Bethesda adaptation. Butchered lore, horrible writing, unlikable characters and cringe dialogue. The show mirrors the Bethesda fallouts flawlessly.
@TJ-wt9op
Ай бұрын
Real talk
@danpaz9485
27 күн бұрын
I don't think alot of people make that distinction at all, when people say they like Fallout, its likely meant to be the Bethesda games not the classics, people should be rightfully called out for it, since they do not make that distinction between the classic/closely related titles of obsidian/Black Isle and the Modern titles of Bethesda. I bet if a lot of them played the classic games or nv or watched nuka break, their mind would shatter at the thought of having the opposite; consistent lore, better writing, complex characters, decent dialogue and better world building.
@TheBreakingBenny
2 күн бұрын
It's indeed the Fallout we have now, it's not the Fallout that _was._ This franchise changed after Troika was outbid by Bethesda.
@No_one448
Ай бұрын
"Corporation bad" Coming to you from a corporation.
@eagleowl833
18 күн бұрын
Its weird, The Boys is in the same boat
@No_one448
15 күн бұрын
@@eagleowl833 pretty much
@vikiai4241
15 күн бұрын
@@eagleowl833 It normalises the behaviour. Real-life corporation does something bad, or borderline evil even?: "Ah well, corporations will be corporations"
@jude8943
Ай бұрын
Brain dead plot, brain dead characters, brain dead writers making this utter tripe. A couple thoughts on fallout political ideas: Fallout mocked some of the 50s anti communist propaganda but never said communism was a good thing. Corporations cannot be evil; people are evil. If evil people run a corporation, the corporation will be evil. Fallout NV was so expertly written there were a few times were character interactions would have you wondering if maybe the legion were a net positive for the Mojave. The show has all the subtlety and nuance of a sledgehammer to the nads.
@srottfaen
Ай бұрын
As with everything post Bethesda (except NV), it reduces Fallout to its most superficial elements. Power Armor! Ghouls! Vaults! BoS! LOOK! IT HAS ALL THE FALLOUT THINGS!!
@mysampleid
Ай бұрын
Member Nuka-cola??!! Oooh I member!
@GodOfOrphans
Ай бұрын
New Vegas was old Obsidian just using Bethesda's engine. Emphasis on OLD Obsidian modern Obsidian couldn't keep the talent and is unrecognizable.
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
I remember someone saying that it wasn’t trying to “nostalgia bait” you, but everything added (in every scene) was jangling keys for normies to point out and compare to the games…
@kosmikaonebladeshy
Ай бұрын
It is the same mentality with how disney sees star wars. That flashgitz video was pretty much spot on: put star wars iconography on a ton of shiyt, and it becomes star wars.
@AdrianFahrenheitTepes
Ай бұрын
To be fair, that happens in FO3 as well. It is easy to excuse for the fact that it’s in Washington D.C. instead of California, but you he Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave having a Deus Ex Machina existence doesn’t do too many favors
@powerbeard5653
Ай бұрын
i can't imagine the levels of arrogance and laziness it takes to write a show for a huge, popular franchise and not even be arsed to research it beforehand.
@judgedrekk2981
Ай бұрын
have you not seen what they've done since the 90's?? the very short version of what could be way longer...I hate game adaptation movies/shows, 1990-current the movie biz has never respected games as a legit artform and are merely exploiting it for profit which is fine in a vacuum but when you disrespect the source fans should reject.... without respect we reject! that should always be the way!
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
It happens all the time in Hollywood. Adaptations are a money grubbing plague.
@pliskin101
2 ай бұрын
I simply do not consider the show as canon.
@maximilianbourgh8345
Ай бұрын
Glad I didn’t watch this show. 😂
@mysampleid
Ай бұрын
Based and vegaspilled
@mactysonkarate
Ай бұрын
@@maximilianbourgh8345it’s honestly not that bad it’s flawed by hardcore fans standards but it’s still a pretty good show overall and the best thing it does as Tim Caine says it captures the feel of Fallout which is very hard to do.
@Nomenooooo
Ай бұрын
Womp womp, the lore of your game franchise is changing. It happens to all Bethesda games, compare Arena to Skyrim and you'll see. Infact, compare Fallout 1 or Fallout 2 to Fallout 4 or Fallout 76 and you can see how much has changed.
@damiondunn4663
Ай бұрын
@@Nomenoooooyour arguments ass. None of those games were made the same way this crap show was. This show is a hot wad of spit that was launched into the eyes of real fans and anyone who defends it truly has no personality of their own. The man who wrote the show is a braindead idiot who wrote a show for himself while calling fans impossible to please which is just an excuse to justify terrible writing and decisions. Justify it anyway you like this show is a piss poor excuse for an adaptation its basically the halo show with a different coat of paint
@Gorbz
Ай бұрын
I was skeptical of the show right from when the trailer dropped. Seeing a Shady Sands Public Library sign in a ruin, next to a metropolis, and with the ticking of a geiger counter told me that expectations should be tempered. Then it released, and we got nigh immortal ghouls, anti-feral meds, inconsistant power armour capability, Iron Man flight rather than jetpacks, and a hoard of people praising it because of "feelings". It is not Fallout. It is Bethesda Fallout - a theme park ride with all those familiar pictures on cardboard cutout standees, but nothing behind them.
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
Thickly layered style, paper-thin substance.
@drunkkoschei2012
Ай бұрын
Because people who filmed it or watched it are United in one. They never were familiar with what fallout is. That is because the Bethesda corrupted and inverted the entire sense of fallout universe. From a concept of a game that meant to portrait how society rebuilds itself after the nuclear war stepping into same stuff pre war world did (corruption, lust, wars, grief) and that’s all in retro futurism wrapping, Bethesda turned the franchise into a circus, filled with retro futurism jokes yet hollow inside. Original fallout just got stripped of the ideas such as BoS and Enclave and turned into Todd’s power fantasy about good guys fighting the evil ones. There’s no plot, no sense, no eternal core meaning. You don’t have factions that conquest lands and clash one another representing different ideas making players to decide which one suits their beliefs more, it’s just plain and bold “good guys vs bad guys”. It’s literally just people who played FO4 or FO3 completely skipping NV as if it was some spinoff, whilst it’s exactly the best representation of what fallout meant to be.
@boom350ph
Ай бұрын
u sure ? coz u can say the story is about a psycopath who wants to see the world burn again u can do that in nv in all places
@kbara6929
2 ай бұрын
To add on to your rant about the music, one thing that always bothers me about the world building of Fallout is the lack of music, like people have been rebuilding society for over 200 years and no one ever creates or records music.
@nickelakon5369
Ай бұрын
@@kbara6929 people do you see various musicians in fallout 2, new vegas has the lonesome drifter, the kings, etc.
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
Well because the originals were trying to keep that desolate feel to it (which I prefer), while Bethesda tried to keep that, but added in a functional radio to indicate people are using music again to connect with one another. Music itself was never meant to be a staple of the series. Well except the background music.
@MrEdioss
Ай бұрын
Fallout New California has radio stations with new in universe music made post war.
@gellax111
Ай бұрын
Nukaworld DLC in 4 has Red Eye, who does his own songs.
@meatmeatmeatmeatmeatmeat
Ай бұрын
@@nickelakon5369 and Agatha in f3, as well as magnolia in f4
@czarnakoza9697
Ай бұрын
BUT MY WIFES BOYFRIEND SAID IT WAS GOOD!!!
@morganmattish
Ай бұрын
Haha! noice
@ZenderMan01
Ай бұрын
wait
@newt4050
Ай бұрын
Batter pfp
@czarnakoza9697
Ай бұрын
@@newt4050 aunn pfp
@Intr0vertical
29 күн бұрын
what's up with new vegas fans having cuck fantasies
@abion224
2 ай бұрын
Lol they made the brotherhood a Caesar's Legion replacement.
@BigFigcat
2 ай бұрын
Did they
@andrewbrock3675
2 ай бұрын
No? Lol.
@nickelakon5369
Ай бұрын
No they're trying to make them an analog to the Christian church. They blatantly made them religious zealots
@mactysonkarate
Ай бұрын
@@nickelakon5369though I wonder if it’s just that chapter, in Fallout 4 there are terminal entries that talk about how some chapters have been going as far as worshiping Maxson and he’s been working hard to put that down. Since he wants to be seen as the best of what humanity enhanced by technology can be not a deity.
@nickelakon5369
Ай бұрын
@@mactysonkarate they aren't worshipping maxson in the show and it heavily implies the leader of this chapter wants to take over the brotherhood
@xboxgamer9194
2 ай бұрын
My head cannon with Mr House is that he went to the meeting and just acted like he was going along with the end the world plan and the meeting just gave him more confirmation that war was coming however head cannon dosent matter when logic and reason are things obscure and strange to the pen of the writer
@andrewortelli7631
Ай бұрын
Honestly my thoughts, the FNV Mr. House wouldn't act like that, unless he was just that acting.
@xboxgamer9194
Ай бұрын
@@andrewortelli7631 Exactly
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
I liked better when he merely calculated that nuclear war was going to occur, but was unsure who would be the one to start it.
@xboxgamer9194
Ай бұрын
@@moongoalie2410 Agreed
@someshtbaglcpl5455
2 ай бұрын
This time I was this quick, my wife left me
@soupllie3622
2 ай бұрын
LMAO
@hardromeo436
Ай бұрын
The Fallout show feels like it was written by someone who's only familiarity with the material was playing Fallout 4 once
@czarnakoza9697
Ай бұрын
or 76
@hardromeo436
Ай бұрын
@@czarnakoza9697 lol I keep forgetting 76 exists
@boom350ph
Ай бұрын
yes but yet again fo4 is the best entry game of the serise before deep diving to nv and fo3 then to the classic fallout gaames using fo4 as a base is not a bad idea using nv as a base is harder coz ur gonna piss off atleast half of the fans somehow not choosing one faction over the other or how they portray the legion will be
@czarnakoza9697
Ай бұрын
@@boom350ph post apo kino!!!
@Arothtic
2 ай бұрын
The fact that this show retroactively ruins nearly all characterization the player character gives to the NCR in New Vegas by arbitrarily deciding that the NCR just dies anyways is so stupid, and it's representation of the BoS is borderline psychotic. Insane show. Great video.
@uberd3323
Ай бұрын
The fucked up thing is that the way the NCR goes out isn't even something related to the problems we see in NV or the choices we can make in that game. Some guy got mad that his wife left him, so he Nuked the NCR's equivalent of D.C. and it all fell apart within a few years? The NCR still had like dozens if not hundreds of other cities and towns under it's belt by the time of NV. That's not to say that losing Shady Sands wouldn't have been a huge blow, but it wouldn't have destroyed the entirety of the NCR to the point where everything collapsed back to Fallout 1's conditions. Even if it *did*, what about The Shi, who are right near the NCR and would have a personal interest in either helping to keep things stable, outright conquering a lot of the NCR's utilities, or at the very least stomping out the new raider groups to keep their own city state safe? If the USA got nuked tomorrow and Washington D.C. was turned to ash, there would definitely be a period of anarchy, but at the very least the surviving states would either work to keep things stable or balkanize and form new nations to protect their own interests, not just fall apart. There's also no chance that the BOS in hiding stamped out everything to do with the NCR as a civilization in the weeks following the nuke either, because they had nowhere near the amount of people necessary for that kind of attack, nor would the West Coast BOS start killing off random farmers and civilians for the sake of it lol.
@Lobsterwithinternet
Ай бұрын
@@uberd3323Actually, it's more like if the US collapsed because Philadelphia was nuked.
@user-bz9ok8zx6b
Ай бұрын
I think the will canonize the ending of Vegas in the only way possible: everyone lost regardless of who you picked. War never changes or something like that. There being NO winner in Vegas to some would feel like a slap in the face, but idk
@Lobsterwithinternet
Ай бұрын
@@user-bz9ok8zx6b It would as it's a complete misunderstanding of the phrase ‘War never changes’. As Ulysses said ‘War never changes…but people do.’
@andylopez6145
29 күн бұрын
I'm, I dunno, I'm pretty sure the NCR still exists, in the show it's said shady sands was the FIRST capitol of the NCR so there was probably more and the fact that they never said that the NCR collapsed, I'm pretty sure they were just just that they decided not to cover it
@iamfine2624
2 ай бұрын
Its even funnier to me that in the final episode they say to us that Moldaver and Lucy's mom were lesbians together because it just makes you think: "why did she have one of her goons have sex with lucy and then try to kill her if she is the daughter of her lover?"
@tomlink5784
Ай бұрын
They never stated they were in a relationship.
@iamfine2624
Ай бұрын
@@tomlink5784 i dunno man, it looked that way to me what with how they held habds at the end and how they were always looking at each other. But maybe thats just me and the brainworms in my head. Who knows, we'll have to see next season to find out.
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
@@tomlink5784lol like that’s going to stop progressives in entertainment from hinting or humoring that rumor. The boys did it, what makes you think this show won’t?
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
@@iamfine2624modern entertainment love to include this type of garbage to us. They’ll not doubt make it canon to the story, but it will obviously serve no purpose but to placate the normies who wanted it lol.
@Teethmafia
Ай бұрын
@@moongoalie2410least terminally online armchair generalization about media /s
@TheOfficialPyroYouTubeChannel
Ай бұрын
IMO, Fallout never needed a show. It's a game about instinct and survival and adapting it into a show ruins the entire fun of the series
@KaosNova2
Ай бұрын
Well it brought up the number of players on Fallout 4 and FO76
@uberd3323
Ай бұрын
I disagree on the basis that Fallout 1 and 2, maybe 3 and NV down the line, would've made for an amazing anthology show if they were animated and handled by the right people. Someone like Genndy Tartakovski could've made Fallout into the West's answer to the Jojo problem, and if you don't believe me, just look at oldschool Samurai Jack or the Clone Wars 2003 animated specials.
@TheOfficialPyroYouTubeChannel
Ай бұрын
@@uberd3323 The only problem is that there would be more people bugging Fallout fans about the show like "Have you seen the show" over a million times
@uberd3323
Ай бұрын
@@TheOfficialPyroKZitemChannel So? If it’s a good show, we’d at least be ahead on that front.
@TheOfficialPyroYouTubeChannel
Ай бұрын
@@uberd3323 Sorry. I get annoyed as a Fallout fan when people mention the show when they know I don't have prime. Making a videogame into a TV show loses the original purpose of a videogame. Games like Fallout is supposed to be fun and something to interact with where you can escape reality and imagine yourself as a badass apocaliptic hero or villain doing what you need to in order to survive. If you have make it into a show, then it loses that spark.
@xboxgamer9194
2 ай бұрын
Fallout 3 find your Father Fallout 4 find your son Fallout 76 Find your Overseer ? not to sure on the story of that game (never played) Fallout show Find your Father AGAIN!!!
@Passageofsky
2 ай бұрын
Fallout 76: find the refund
@xboxgamer9194
2 ай бұрын
@@Passageofsky Based
@godofecom
2 ай бұрын
Fallout 4 find your son after leaving a vault with cryo chambers Fallout tv find your father after leaving a vault with cryo chambers
@xboxgamer9194
2 ай бұрын
@@godofecom you noticed another similarity nice
@Passageofsky
2 ай бұрын
@@godofecom nice
@speemus6223
Ай бұрын
guys the tourist and normies want me to consooom everything without thinking, should i do it? 😳😳
@mysampleid
Ай бұрын
I’M CONSOOOOMING
@chadnorris8257
Ай бұрын
Have some Koolaid as you consume media.
@ChawedMirthPrattEnterprise
Ай бұрын
AAAARRRRRRGGGHH I JUST CANT STOP COBSUMING POEER ARMOUR COKACOLA BIG MUTANT MEN BROTHERGOOD OF STREL DU7AQBWIENDI3EHWUWNAOS82IWNSODJDI2INWWIQ91K2OOXJWNQ9WO2IE9DJENE8DJ
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
How well did that work for Star Wars? These normies and tourists need to go…
@czarnakoza9697
Ай бұрын
I LOVE FALLOUT I LOVE OLD HIPPIE MUSIC AND POWER ARMOR
@lordguts4099
2 ай бұрын
I had not heard a singal person talk about this TV show now. Only when there crisising the show it just like star felled
@absolutezerochill2700
2 ай бұрын
?? live under a rock or something?
@Anonymous09876-b
Ай бұрын
Had a stroke reading this.
@notsae66
Ай бұрын
Did you miss Mauler tearing it apart scene by scene? Or the dozens of others doing similar? The show is an atrocity, a crime against humanity. In the future, this show will be used in the tribunals that will sentence the managerial class to their well deserved fates.
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
“Fallout Tourists” I love that 😂
@LabMatt
17 күн бұрын
Hank is a visual representation of Bethesda as a whole and him nuking Shady Sands is symbolic of them obliterating Interplay's legacy
@Mr._Anderpson
16 күн бұрын
Exactly. They're pulling a Last Jedi on Fallout by killing their past. Bethesda does open world exploration well. They do not have skill at storytelling or worldbuilding, at least since the days of Ted Peterson, Julian Lefay, & Michael Kirkbride.
@ShadyCrypt
Ай бұрын
Brotherhood of Steel transformed into some crazy mix of WH 40K space marines, with a sith lord as their elder.
@The_Mongoose
Ай бұрын
Always funny when a corporate product parrots the "corporations bad" line. They still claim copyright over it.
@meeplesmcmeep3595
Ай бұрын
The fallout show is clear evidence that once was a trilogy of well written and thought provoking games has been turned to slop for the masses like everything else so much so that people now claim that no one played fallout one and two and that Bethesda made the series popular
@joevines3428
Ай бұрын
Trilogy? Do you not like new Vegas or 4?
@gathenhielm9977
Ай бұрын
@@joevines3428 I kinda consider 1, 2 and New Vegas the trilogy of the series since they follow the same West Coast storyline. (And also because the other games are kinda shit story-wise.)
@lilshawty2605
Ай бұрын
Yeah people make boomer comments for appreciating the older games of the franchises. If the graphics aren’t there they simply can’t do it
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
By trilogy you mean 1, 2 and NV I assume
@sweet_fofo9389
Ай бұрын
I don’t like your reading of Hank, he seems to me to be someone who (like many overseers) cannot stand for things being taken out of his control. He’s insidious in a way that is rarely seen in male characters, on the outside he’s a man who loves his family and friends. But really he’s a control freak who will grasp at straws and say anything to justify his selfish desire for control. Open to discussion.
@ytmld
Ай бұрын
every comment I see talking about the show always says its enjoyable or its good, but doesnt go into depth on WHY its good to begin with. The show is fun to look at, but once you try to dissect it, it literally falls apart cause the main story is trash and fails as an entry in the franchise.
@the_real_inquisitor
Ай бұрын
BuT 90% oF pEoPlE oN RoTeN ToMaTo liKeS iT!!!!!1!11!
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
It’s good dumb fun I think. And Goggins commands the screen. But if you start to look at it critically in any way as a fan of the series, all bets are off.
@dumpanimator
Ай бұрын
Bos from show make Caesar Legion look like saint
@boom350ph
Ай бұрын
i mean they ruin bos with elder maxson being xenophobic but atleast fo4 had liberty prime again
@RedRabbitEntertainment
Ай бұрын
@@boom350phThe Brotherhood has always been xenophobic.
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
Makes no sense too since 76 turned Roger Maxson into another do-gooder pacifist like Lyons just so Emil and Todd could have an excuse to put them on the east coast in 2102.
@karimmoop9560
2 ай бұрын
the crazy part is that thr Fallout games have more professional actors than the tv show
@erek3034
Ай бұрын
The acting isn’t bad tho also the games have bigger budgets
@nickelakon5369
Ай бұрын
@@erek3034 the acting is terrible. Walton goggins is probably the only actor who really gives a good performance here, even if his character is shit.
@karimmoop9560
Ай бұрын
@@nickelakon5369 Only maximus is weak. The writing still reeks of Bethesda because there's a line of "the vaults were for the super rich to stay while the poor died" which is like how liberals today complain about founding fathers owning slaves. More Bethesda & Hollywood leftist bias; because the people on Filly would be too poor and destitute to care about what happened 200 years ago.
@In_The_Base
Ай бұрын
*actor
@karimmoop9560
Ай бұрын
@@In_The_Base two. Goggins and MacLachlan
@mudkipmadness7072
2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah, another long video essay from an incredibly niche KZitemr i like!!
@absolutezerochill2700
2 ай бұрын
I agree. It's decently entertaining and some things it adds aren't... too bad? But like, there's just... no nuance to it. The Brotherhood can't ACTUALLY be grey. You have to KNOW they're bad guys, not because of their flawed ideology which can fall apart under genuine thinking and scrutiny... but bc they beat the crap out of each other and haze each other ig! Which never happened in any of the games. And kills Squires for "not saving their Knight" even though in literally every game they're considered the most valuable members, which makes sense considering they should grow to be the best soldiers after being raised to serve the Brotherhood their entire lives. The NCR doesn't shrink bc of its weak borders, being spread out, corruption, nah. But bc Vault Tec (which SHOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE) nuked them! Very few people in the show actually... talk like real people too. But that's just a lot of New Fallout writing. Fallout 2 is remembered for its very natural, yet still entertaining and actually thought provoking dialogue at times. Like, Myron is extra and clearly meant to evoke a certain feeling. But he still feels like someone you could actually meet in real life. None of the main characters feel very dimensional, they're all like, 3 character traits each that MAYBE slightly change by the end. Usually just from "oh I thought i wanted X but really it was Y" and "Oh before i was scared and weak but now I'm slightly stronger and not afraid"
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
I’d be ok with vault tec being in hiding still but the way Bethesda did it was just boring and predictable
@Tigershark5639
2 ай бұрын
I will never forgive this garbage show for ruining the NCR
@thedislikebutton69
2 ай бұрын
NCR is a garbage faction
@Flannels1
Ай бұрын
How did it ruin the ncr
@progenitorgod1155
Ай бұрын
How so?
@damiondunn4663
Ай бұрын
Did either of you watch the video? Or are yall asking to start an argument?
@Celebriedad
Ай бұрын
They deserved it tho. A cool armor doesn't save them from being imperialist manifest destiny assholes.
@EmperorAmbrose
2 ай бұрын
When I saw the brotherhood power armor in the leaks, I knew this would be bad. But little did I know how absolutely abysmal this would be.
@insertjokeh3r3
Ай бұрын
Only reason its well rated is its shiny and not known enough to get the rings of power level push back so normies and tourists give it a good rating
@MrHalohunter24
Ай бұрын
I mean, I’ve played most of the games and thought it was great 🤷♂️
@fearm424
Ай бұрын
Normies 💀
@insertjokeh3r3
Ай бұрын
@@MrHalohunter24 the story and writing was awful and only people easily distracted by shiny things or have low standards still liked it.
@MrHalohunter24
Ай бұрын
@@insertjokeh3r3 Think whatever you want, it’s clearly moving toward a better story. Like 90% of all Fallout quest lines are terribly writing but get better as the story progresses. That’s what happening here.
@lilshawty2605
Ай бұрын
@@insertjokeh3r3that’s most popular franchises nowadays
@therustledcanine3339
Ай бұрын
Just popped in to remind myself why I hate Bethesda. Thanks babe.
@mr.mclemon8605
2 ай бұрын
Few people had reasonable reactions to the show, it's a great show for people who had zero interest in the previous games or lore. But the minute you take the time to look into the shallow decision making for its plot points and characters, you stop liking it. If your a fan, you lost interest when vault-tec became the new boogeyman.
@turtleboi1547
2 ай бұрын
@@mr.mclemon8605 right it feels like an adaptation of fallout 76 and 4
@Slender_Man_186
2 ай бұрын
Nah, Mauler’s analysis barely took the games into account and he showed how the show failed even as a stand alone product.
@chuck_muckle
2 ай бұрын
@mr.mclemon8605 in your own comment you said that the show has shallow plot points and characters. its a bad show. it doesnt matter if youre a fan of the games or not. it just happens to be that if you like the games it also shits all over them too
@Radscorp
2 ай бұрын
it really isn't though, it's more accurate to the lore then Fo3-Fo4 and Fo76. Like the only Bethesda Fo to beat it is NV. You lot are fucking diluted 😂. The show is terribly written but Bethesda is still worse. Bethesda pay piggies on their way to ignore the absolute horrendous decisions and writing in almost every game they make to call something else bad.
@chuck_muckle
2 ай бұрын
@Radscorp this IS bethesda. youre acting like this is somehow any different from their games. also, this show retcons literally every single west coast game, at the very least the bethesda games have been thousands of miles away. this show is shit, and its EXACTLY the same as the bethesda games. and to say that NV is a "betheda fallout" when the only attachment bethesda had to it was the engine and the publishing of the game is retarded. you saying this show is more accurate than the games is part of the problem. youre giving bethesda more reasons to continue to fuck up the old games
@LucyWest370
2 күн бұрын
This really changed my perspective on the show. I dont know if they can change the course of this show, but I really hope they do, no matter how unlikely it is
@TheKeyser94
Ай бұрын
You have a little misunderstanding about House, he didn't want to save as many people that he could, he wanted to save Vegas, the city, not the people living in it, and his plan for the "future" is a total anarcho-capitalist dystopia, where the wanted to slaughter the Kings and any other factions that were against his own interest, like NCR, who he in his own words have a pesky alliance, and let not forget what he planned to do aftermath, like paying for any drop of water coming from Hoover Dam to the impoverish citizens of Free-side and the Farmers, the NCR may be corrupt, but House is a total Corpo with delusions of grandeur.
@Reaper_777-wc7yo
Ай бұрын
I think the ghoul was the best part of the show. Walton Goggins did an amazing job.
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
I agree. He can’t be blamed for the makeup artist wanting to make him look ‘sexy’ 😂
@bomaniigloo
Ай бұрын
Le heckin super relevant politics for 2024 in modern show about nuclear annihilation!! It was le ebil corporations that started the war!! Woowwweeee! This is just like Dumbledores army vs "he who will not be named!" We did it reddit!!
@SquekretGenius420
23 күн бұрын
I noticed that the way the show writes villains, in particular, aligns with how Bethesda writes most of their villains.
@insertnamehere9975
2 ай бұрын
This video feels a lot nicer than other criticism of newer fallout media, keep up the good work.
@GrantBuchanan-h8l
25 күн бұрын
i literally thought exactly this when watching the show and i’m glad i’m not the only one
@philleotardo7016
2 ай бұрын
Man and I thought mauler was the only one who hated the show. Good video btw
@mysampleid
Ай бұрын
There’s also reaper, creetosis, enclave emily
@NonchalantBoyo7896
Ай бұрын
@@mysampleidit’s a gundam also
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
There’s many, but they’re overshadowed by larger normie channels who always fence sit on anything nuance. If said thing is popular, they’re going to bandwagon and say it’s ‘good’.
@scopeguy
Ай бұрын
Todd thinks Ghouls are zombies now
@honkhonk8119
Ай бұрын
The people I know who liked the show only played fallout 76 or 4, never NV and never 1, 2 or 3
@foxsvault5097
2 ай бұрын
I look at the show the same way that I look at Bethesda's Fallout games. Zero narrative consistency, ignoring or retconning the lore they don't like/didn't write, choices that have no consequences and a desire to keep people in fallout in a state of scrap hobos living in literal piles of garbage. I've put The Fallout show into its own continuity just to enjoy the fallout games because this show made me not want to anymore.
@mysampleid
Ай бұрын
Agreed, I now hate fallout because of this show and it’s consequences including hordes of tourists and normies
@emixter1877
Ай бұрын
@@mysampleid i dont get people getting angry cuz "oh no, my niche thing is gettin popular" why the hell you like to gatekeep this franchise? Cant they play fallout cuz they arent ogs? but ok, i get what you mean abt the show.
@mysampleid
Ай бұрын
@@emixter1877 because gatekeeping is the only solution for the series not to become garbage, unfortunately Fallout became garbage after the release of 4 and 76. And the tv show made the situation even worse.
@Brother_O4TS
Ай бұрын
@@mysampleid Too bad, lol. As a fan of both the old and modern games/media, I see the good things in both. I am convinced everyone on this video's comment section who hate the show are gate keeping elitists like you or NCR simps who don't seem to understand that the NCR was already dying on the inside. I honestly expected this video to have haters be in a circlejerk in the comments, and whaddya know, I was right. The show has flaws but I've seen worse, oh I've seen worse from other adaptations.
@moongoalie2410
Ай бұрын
@@emixter1877who the hell are you to tell us what we can’t gatekeep? You don’t just get to enter a space made popular (more specifically monetarily viable) for normies and grifters to latch on to…Look at what people like you did to Star Wars, killed it, like you killed every franchise that you fake nerds pretend to like!
@GodOfOrphans
Ай бұрын
Don't worry about the ire of the fanboys, most of them are literally botshills, enough to spoil the whole bunch honestly.
@MLPDethDealr32
3 күн бұрын
Dont forget that Sinclair's own contractors were undercutting the construction costs for the Villa as well. Dead Money was a good critique of big business and all the shady sh*t that was going on. The Writers for this show would screw that up given the chance. Imagine if we had a show based on Dead Money..
@lossavageles
Ай бұрын
Fans who don’t like the show: pEopLe whO wAtch ARen’T trUe faNS. Fans who like the show: PeoPle wHO diSLike ThE shOw AreN’T ReAL FAns. It’s all the same cycle of whining and bitching over and over again
@aaronlaughter6471
Ай бұрын
Welcome to the fallout fanbase, the best course of action is not to interact
@z10fury73
Ай бұрын
This is true thank you@@aaronlaughter6471
@ryanmccolloch4734
28 күн бұрын
The fans are always the worst part of something
@josecriollo6976
21 күн бұрын
Real, like I know the show isn't perfect but damn these guys are acting as if it was an adaptation to the holy bible
@dangi6516
21 күн бұрын
@@josecriollo6976 if you care about fallout it kinda is , like this show retcon decades Worth of lore + what did you expect when they destroyed 1 of the 3 largest and most recognizable factions, don't you know, but NCR is so popular that I saw people who were surprised that the real flag of California has a bear with 1 head (not kidding)
@VancoreAMVs
Ай бұрын
Since it cuts off after Barb says "We will drop it ourselves' I'd like to think Mr. House says "That's pretty stupid, do you have a better idea or am I wasting my time here."
@marcusclark1339
Ай бұрын
show is broad normie appeal, no surprise its success saw two eps and that was the limit cause it was so apparent the problems
@kainchill4893
Ай бұрын
I enjoyed the show, but I'm glad for the nuance your opinion brings to the conversation. Especially for things I enjoyed like this show, I think criticism is healthy for the creators to try to make better media.
@linkfreak1176
Ай бұрын
I've been talking shit about fallout show since i watched it. i feel like All the big Fallout creators had to talk about how much they loved the show because they knew if they didn't they would be blasted by people watching their content. I wonder if the fallout content creators will decide the show is bad in a couple months when the hype is really dead
@istrumguitars
4 күн бұрын
All modern news media is based on access. You talk shit, say bye-bye to your press pass I.e. No more interviews with Toddy boy for MrMattyPlays
@linkfreak1176
3 күн бұрын
@@istrumguitars i know. They HAVE to schill. The FO show was garbage and missed the point. It was lazily written and was just bad. Integrity is dead.
@menacinganteater2823
Ай бұрын
No no, it all makes sense, Maximus has the fully upgraded idiot savant and 10 luck.
@namastereciprocity4549
Ай бұрын
Fallout is about cycles, just like Warhammer 40k the foundation of the lore is anti-thetical to a progressive view of history. One that is centered on the idea that history is destined to reach higher standards of development. In contrast, 40k and fallout argue a narrative of resistance by humaity against a constantly erosive tide of history.
@ceejaay88
2 ай бұрын
As a long time fan of the Fallout series and a fan of the show I enjoyed hearing your perspective, and your arguments seem well-thought out and supplemented and not just the typical "old good new bad" many of the fandom quickly jump to. I do want to voice my thoughts and criticisms however (side not sorry for my lengthy response if you or anyone does ever see it): First, the show does not say vault tec dropped the bombs themselves. All we get is that they were willing to go to such lengths to achieve their goals. But I heavily agree that the show did take the same half-assed position that Bethesda does in their games of "corporations bad" without exploring that too much beyond surface level. I do think their actions in the show match everytging we know about them, however, as at rhe surface their whole business model relies on the threat of nuclear war; but the show also reestablishes their connection to the Enclave which opens the door to tons of possibilities as to why they would actually want wae to happen. On that note, the lore that it was China that dropped the first bombs was never concrete, and the original games did keep it up in the air. Tim Cain did say in an interview that it was China who dropped the first bombs and the original games always swung more in that direction; however, we also know from scrapped games, the original creators did want to add more fuel to the theories it was a Vault-Tec/Enclave plot to start the war; whether that meant them getting China to drop the bombs or them dropping it themselves we'll never know for sure. When Bethesda took over, they never ran with any concrete answer instead choosing to keep the ambiguity and mystery of what happened. For better or for worse (many times for the worse), when they became owners of the franchise they got all the power to take the story in whatever direction they so choose. But, I feel it's necessary to mention that Tim Cain is a massive fan of what Bethesda has done with the series and loved the show. Moving on to house and Sinclair, I agree with all criticisms of Sinclair's portrayl. It felt forced in for nostalgia factor alone and does not match what has been established about him at all, from personality to appearance. Our different feelings on House will probably come down more to opinion than anyrhing else, but I feel his portrayl doesnt undermine anything about his character. First, he made a prediction that the Great War was inevitable and would happen within 15 years in 2065. The meeting with Vault-Tec would have only confirmed his suspicions. Second, we really dont get much from him in the meeting other than he expresses great doubt in the vaults as a whole and that starting the Great War was an interesting proposal. If anything, he probably realized he would need to get his preparations done faster for his own goals to succeed. We also know from NV that House was greatly disillusioned with Pre-War America and society as a whole and their "corrupting influences" that in his eyes stifled technological and societal developmenr. Hence why his plans for the Mojave differ greatly from that. His plans for Vegas additionally were always for a post-war world, thats what he planned for and ultimately needed to achieve his future for humanity. Thus why he might be intrigued or maybe even happy overall to know his predictions were right and that there are forces at play actively wanting the bombs to be dropped. Overall, I feel we still saw the intelligent and cunning House we have always known. On the topic of cold fusion, I will be brief. Cold fusion was already estsblished in the lore in both Bethesda's and Black Isle studios's lore. We're told it is what powers the GECK in both. Going off what we know of the company's goals and their shadow Enclave backers it makes sense why they would prioritize keeping the technology a secret. Neither were interested in deescalation, in fact actively impeding it, and made plans for a post-nuclear ravaged world. Keeping that technology their own to serve their, admittively ill-sighted, goals is in-line with their ambitions. Next, the show doesnt state Shady Sands was nuked in 2277. I did watch your Fall of Shady Sands video so please hear me out first. They labeled it the fall of shady sands, which could mean a lot, and had the bombing later on down the timeline shown. This is a very odd stylistic choice and until I looked into it further I felt the same as you, but as you mentioned Todd Howard confirms this in interviews. This has been added to the offical canon too. Now when that actually took place does admittably become very wibbly wobbly timey wimey when taking into account the age of the characters, that Todd only says sometime after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, and that the show writers confirmed it happened sometime after the events of New Vegas but we have yet to see how the writers will expand upon that. I personally still feel uneasy about it due to the odd timeline of events and knowing it was a last minute decision but I digress. It should be noted though that they didnt get this idea out of thin air. Chris Avellone was the one who originally wanted it to happen and it seems the show writers got the approval to revive this last minute by Todd. Moving on to Hank, I'll be direct, I dont feel the show tries to justify Hanks actions to us as viewers but instead justify his actions to himself which they use to further explore his selfish, reckless decisions. He was leading a group of dwellers on the premise that they are what is left of humanity. Not to mention, we learn Lucy's mother only learned of the existence of Shady Sands because the city was actively siphoning water from the vault, lowering water supplies and consequently food supplies too. We also know he's still acting on the overall Vault-Tec operating procedure that their vault and many others are still committed to despite the destruction of the company as a whole -- which it's safe to say they like every other vault arent aware of but probably surmised. When provided with direct evidence to the contrary plus the emotional toll of his wife leaving him and taking his kids with her, he felt his whole world view challenged and made a reckless, selfish decision. They dont offer him redemption, instead we get an insane man trying to get his daughter to believe the same lies he told himself. Now whether you think thats good writing thats up to you. But it's not too far out of line with what we've seen other overseers do. The overseer of Vault 13 banishes you because he doesnt want the rest of the vault knowing life on the surface continues despite how harsh and violent it may be. Vault 101's overseer makes similar decisions with doing his best to enforce the lie that the vault has always been sealed and that life on the surface is impossible despite knowing of Megaton's existence. Lastly, on the whole topic of Hank and nuking Shady Sands, the show never says he used a nuclear weapon. Shady Sands had a fully functioning fusion plant near the center of town, we see it in Fallout 2. Personally, I think it's much more likely that he detonated the plant and I believe the existence of the crater at the center of the town supports this. 1/2
@ceejaay88
2 ай бұрын
On the topic of Wilzig, we're introduced to him en media res. We're not offered much backstory and his overall goals are largely unexplained. All we know is that he grew disillusioned with the Enclave and for some reason felt it necessary to keep his research into cold fusion away from them. I do think it's unfair to say no extra story telling in later seasons will make up for how the show treated him. We're purposefully left in the dark about this new remnant of the Enclave (see bullet points below for more thoughts on this sect) and I feel this plot point can only be fairly judged once the overarching plot is revealed. I overall dont disagree with your characterization of Maximus and ultimately agree with much of what you said and do feel his character arc needed more time to be fleshed out to justify what we have seen so far. So Id rather save some words in this lengthy response and address the Brotherhood directly. It seems the show writers wanted to go with a more historical knightly order version of the Brotherhood. Which to save some time, for much of their history in the Medieval period, most werent the honorable, chivalrous ultimate fighters typically portrayed but brutal, unforgiving nobles. It's odd and overall not fully well developed, though I wouldnt be surprised if we get some explanation along the lines of another good'ol brotherhood schism we've seen in the past or maybe something to do with their seemingly rapid expansion; either way, I personally dont think any explanation we get will ever fully sit right with me but oh well. Moving on, I dont feel like the Brotherhood annexing Filly is too out of character. We know that at some point they stole the fusion reactor from Rivet City which, neglecting that it's additonally implied that they stole much more than that, would for sure have doomed the city. Additonally, in Fallout 4 we see that they are extremely aggressive towards settlements in the Commonwealth effectively giving them a choice of do you want to voluntarily supply us or do you want us to take what we need. We also see how the Brotherhood deals with the Railroad and Institute in Fallout 4 (personal opinions aside, this is how the their story has progressed) which is brutal to say the least. I feel like it is not too far a leap that this current iteration of the brotherhood has become almost a decade down the line from their conquests in the Commonwealth. And I feel that this all might not be what the show writers may have orignally had in mind, but instead extending plots set in motion previously by Bethesda. Some quick points I didnt feel needed an overtly long explanation: 1) Those werent NCR remnants that attack the vault. They are directly implied to be raiders and fiends, I mean look at their behavior when locked up. 2) The show writers confirmed that the NCR still exists as a whole. Just that Shady Sands was destroyed. Which makes sense given their numerous other settlements 3) I overall agree that Moldaver's actions don't always line up with her character 4) We have always known there was an Enclave faction in Chicago and their destruction was made non-canon. ED-E mentions this several times in their memories and was featured in the mostly non-canon Tactics. My personal theory is that is what we saw based on aesthetics but only time will tell. I do not however feel their inclusion breaks lore. At least the lore established by Bethesda. 5) To that point, we know that that Obsidian wanted to do more with the Enclave in NV but that was one of Bethesda's few no gos. But Bethesda allowed them to include the remnants as a compromise. Chris Avellone confirmed this in a series of tweets. 6) Yeah, Thaddeus (and much of Thaddeus's character tbh) and his ghoul serum was odd to say the least. It's not the first we've heard of such a thing (Hancock and his whole radiation drug) but it doesn't justify his insane healing abilities. Overall, just feels like a gimmicky plot point to keep Thaddeus as comic relief. 7) I agree the show missed the mark of nailing Fallout's humor. It seemed to me they understood the concept, but struggled in the execution or maybe even went heavier on the lighter humor to try and attract new fans. 8) To the ghouls, yeah I do not understand theyre regenerative abilities or how they justified it. To the drug preventing their descent to turning feral, I agree it needs more explanation. I think their effort to expand upon how that process works was interesting but it left me wanting much more. In conclusion, I see much of where you're coming from and feel much of your criticisms are fair and well justified. Much of our disagrements most probably come down to disagreements in opinion and taste. But I personally feel the show overall has set up some interesting plots and is a faithful adaptation of what Fallout is these days. Moreso, I feel its a bit of fresh air from the tangled mess that Bethesda's games have been. The show writers are massive, enthusiastic fans of the series and I do feel their love for it comes through in the show. They seem to be constrained to the universe established by Bethesda, which is a long established heavily contentious topic in the community. I can easily see how big fans of Bethesda's Fallout entries would love the show and I can conversely see If I had to give the show a rating, Id personally give it a B-. I feel it's the best depiction of Bethesda's Fallout universe we've seen so far, I appreciate the level of care that went into the settings, and it's a very well crafted show. The plot to me is intriguing and opens the door to lots but as of now with what was given it leaves too much to be desired. Maybe that was due to fitting a lot into very few episodes but still much of the story felt rushed. The fact that we have to rely on interviews about the show to supplement the lore after the fact is very disappointing. But I am very interested to see the direction the show is heading and am excited for season 2. Thats just my thoughts and I hope anyone that chooses to interact with all of this gives me the same respect and care I was willing to give. Im very open to having and seeing discussions about this, I love the series and am passionate about it as a whole (well, not 76), though 2 and New Vegas will always be my favorite entries by far -- Ive probably put more time into those two games than every other video game Ive ever played combined lmao. 2/2
@ronnylewis5078
Ай бұрын
I whole heartedly agree with your reply to this video. I think many of the criticisms this show gets are very reasonable, but I do see some flaws in those criticisms and say that the show does a good job of delivering a consistent story within Bethesdas controversial lore. I think they did Sinclair dirty and the ghoul regeneration is hard to stomach. I am really enjoying the direction of the brotherhood, it’s interesting to see what happens to a faction after years of conflict and different leaders having changing priorities. I’m really looking forward to season 2, I hope they don’t rush it, I’m glad the team are big fans of the series, let’s hope they don’t screw it up at the end.
@catherinewoods6598
Ай бұрын
President Richardson in Fallout 2 confirms that the Chinese launched the nukes first.
@ceejaay88
Ай бұрын
@@catherinewoods6598 Yes, youre right. And thats an important addenum. And if my memory serves right, there was actually meant to be a Chinese sub's captain logs that showed orders put out to ready and launch China's nuclear arsenal (though I believe it is put in the game with the restoration mod). Not to mention, Tim Cain to this day still holds that China shot first. Rereading that portion of my winded commentary I realized I misspoke to a degree. Looks like I started to blur the lines of who shot first with what led to the first shot. The games were always murky with the details of what happened in those final moments with multiple sources giving conflicting reasons, and as the opening narration tells us "The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted... The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones." Still I dont feel that vault-tec discussing plans to instigate a nuclear war undermines China being the initiator as from many in game sources, such as terminal entries, unfinished vaults, and more, Vault-Tec themselves appear to have been caught off guard when the exchange happened on October 23rd.
@SP4RKMGAMES
Ай бұрын
This video is unworthy
@zhulikkulik
2 ай бұрын
Uuuhhhmmm I wouldn't be so sure about House. He's just too smart to openly oppose everyone in that meeting, IMHO.
@TheTendermen
Ай бұрын
Everyone on the board should've opposed it, because nuclear war benefits no one and destroys everything.
@ThisIsMyYouTubeAccount1
Ай бұрын
Horrible take. Stop making excuses for this trash
@EnclaveEmily
Ай бұрын
But if he is in the meeting where the end of the world is discussed, why did he fail to "predict" the timing of the end of the world, when the people in there are in control of when the world ends?
@ThisIsMyYouTubeAccount1
Ай бұрын
@@EnclaveEmily people either don't knownor don't care
@EnclaveEmily
Ай бұрын
@ThisIsMyKZitemAccount1 yeah I bet the writers and show simps dgaf
@jamesdanko9874
Ай бұрын
One of my big gripes (though I admit a minor one) was with the costumes of raiders and moldavers crew at the end of the season. Firstly, I can’t really put it into words but the Raiders shown throughout the show lacked that Fallout flavor. They looked like generic, apocalyptic, raiders. Idk exactly what but, something was just off about the vibe of the raider costumes. Secondly, I took issue with moldavers people wearing modern/real-world combat uniforms. More specifically, the FAST helmets worn by modern special forces and the likes. Those aren’t in the games, the games have their own stylized “combat armor,” but the show didn’t employ the body armor, nor the head protection seen in the games . So seeing Moldavers crew just wearing generic military uniforms really took me out of the moment the show was trying to offer me towards the end of the season.
@bogdan5633
Ай бұрын
Retcon out the entire first season of the show is the best option tbh
@kylehamby2084
2 ай бұрын
The guns have no recoil because the guns in 3 and new vegas also have no recoil.
@MrEdioss
Ай бұрын
No recoil, cos Bethesda used morrowind engine to made bows into guns.
@epitaph2870
Ай бұрын
War never changes, but men change through the roads they walk.
@AdityaKumar-qk9xo
Ай бұрын
My headcanon is that the fallout tv show is just from the point of view of a still high af maximus and none of that actually happened.
@TheTendermen
Ай бұрын
What I would've changed: Make it simply a story about Lucy trying to save her dad, and free her Vault from a raider gang. Don't try to expand into the histories or or mess lore beyond what is required to tell the story (basic stuff like who are the raider, why are they interested in the Vault) Keep the NCR alive. Things are far more interesting by using elements of the NCR while it is alive and not random boring cults and generic raiders. (Use the Rangers as fun characters that help Lucy out, show Lucy that civilisation has survived and the way it works and sucks (example: just the entirety of New Reno). Recharacterise the BoS as a small remnant from the NCR-BoS war working to take revenge against them. Don't make the Maximus a moronic idiot. Use him to show the BoS philosophy to Lucy and try to poison her against the NCR (e.g. When they get to New Reno he points out how the NCR fails to govern those who make them rich, those who use technology (gambling, drugs, advanced weapons) to effectively enslave a population dry). No pre-war flashbacks, keep it in the present. If you need to have something for the Ghoul, use his movies, or photos of his (now gone) wife and daughter or at best faded memories.
@christiankaiser3885
Ай бұрын
Think about this. There's a 50% chance that they will nuke New Vegas in the next season, and by that, totally make any plotpoint made in that game irrelevant to the whole franchise. Todd does love to explode, what people before him came up with. He did it to Morrowind, he did it to Shady Sands. The teaser at the end, with Hank arriving there in the last scene of the show, made me think of no other possible future for Sin city. Overall I found alot of entertainment in the weird side characters. Yes, Bethesda is ruining the lore in every way that soothes them. But they have been doing that for 18 years, so I came to terms with that long ago. Now, I'm into Fallout for the small glimmers of that Spark, that the setting allows for, no matter who is writing it. The Fallout you want, died with Interplay and Black Isle Studio. May it rest in pieces, that Todd keeps Nuking...
@RedemptionDenied666
Ай бұрын
Interesting point you bringing up what they did to vvardenfell in the elder scrolls lore after Morrowind. Basically what amounts to nuking the place.
@xvoomdieslmfao
Ай бұрын
"but ehmmm... le capitalism bad or something and fallout is cartoony!" istg if fallout keeps going down this lane the only thing that can fix it is a reboot
@Dressyone223
Ай бұрын
It’s insane to me how many people were praising this show, acting like it wasn’t a complete insult to the games.
@aldraone-mu5yg
Ай бұрын
Mr House put himself in to a coma desperately trying to save Vegas from the nukes, no way in hell he’d sigh up to this. He doesn’t strike me as the type of guy to be in the illuminati in the first place being such a strong individualist and not a fan of big government.
@tayro7247
Ай бұрын
Bro I though I was going insane seeing all the other reviews. Thank you
@AlRufo
Ай бұрын
And if you dare even suggest it isnt the most perfect piece of cinema ever made you'll be caleld a fake fan
@woocashP
Ай бұрын
FINALLY SOMETHING ABOUT THE FALLOUT TV SHOW THAT ISINT BLIND ADMIRATION!!!!!!!
@skeletonguts313
Ай бұрын
The Tod Howard effect
@skeletonguts313
Ай бұрын
Seriously how did people think the show was good? It's fucking rings of power level of awful (maybe a little less bad)
@edgy22
Ай бұрын
You hit on every exact grievance I had with this damned disgrace of a show, thank you
@TheOfficalHappyGold
Ай бұрын
The hysteria from people who can't handle that someone might not like the current thing they like is disgusting. You only live once, don't lie to yourself if you smell bullcrap when you're told it's a flower
@jasondavis7913
Ай бұрын
This is the level of understanding of economics that LA/Hollywood types have, so it makes sense
@jeremycarnes1656
Ай бұрын
This show disappointed the hell out of me. I immediately noticed that the dates didn't line up. Then I saw Todd Howard saying, "muh unreliable narrator, always been in Fallout". Fucking no, Todd. Fallout isn't the Elder Scrolls. For the most part, the known facts line up no matter which in game lore terminal you look at. It's only the clandestine actions that weren't well recorded that are disputed, and that's not an "unreliable narrator", it's a game of telephone, and if Todd paid any attention to the franchise he was falsely claimed in a ton of internet articles at the time to "have created Fallout", he'd know that's a bullshit answer. Fallout Amazon was created for woke virtue signaling. A trans Brotherhood of Steel recruit is the immediate first clue. Veronica had to break up with her girlfriend because the BoS is not fond of lezzing out in their ranks, but they're recruiting the trans people? Sure, bud. Also New Vegas is completely decimated just few years after the Courier resolved it's issues? Not buying it. And Shady Sands was nuked, and the NCR simply fizzled away? No. No. Fuck this show, I'm tossing it in the 76 dumpster.
@z10fury73
Ай бұрын
1. it is never stated the character they're playing is trans so people can shut up about that. 2. they haven't denied or confirmed the NCR is still around or not. 3. we still don't know what happened to new Vegas from one shot. 4. how do you know Ulysses could have been a unreliable narrator about your past, vault-tec are unreliable narrators they lied about the vaults fallout has had a few unreliable narrators or some that could be unreliable narrators. 5. but if you don't agree with any of this the quote "the people who hate fallout the most is fallout fans" is true
@Iianator
25 күн бұрын
Bethesda fans love quoting Todd and his family lore even when he contradicts it himself
@pavelskrylnikov9658
11 күн бұрын
@@z10fury73 2. Aragorn's pants. It is obviously destroyed, or at least crippled enough to not be a singular entity. 3. Aragorn's pants. They showed the heavily damaged city with destroyed securitrons on the streets, what do you think happened? 4. Retroactively cover the lore fuckups with "muh unreliable narrators" is retarded. 5. Bethesda Fallout is not Fallout, so hating on it is perfectly reasonable for a Fallout fan.
@untiyou2188
Ай бұрын
Mr house is just getting info its never stated he agreess with vault tecs plane he necer sugested any vault ideas and was only there because he was rich and powerful there is no way he would agree with vault tec
@astralandreid
Ай бұрын
Dude, there were a few cool stuff here and there but it was in my opinion an insult to the IP. Maximus is a very uncharismatic and stupid character, and they treated the Brotherhood like a cartoon with stupid forced humour. The scene with Knight Titus and the bear pissed me off, it's not even funny at all, it's cringe. I would have really loved a dark, grim, obscure tone in the cinematography and in the show as a whole. It's very cartoony, I would have loved a dreadful dark show showcasing the dread, fear and hopelessness the games portray, especially Fallout 1 and and 2
@mickieg1994
Ай бұрын
I enjoyed it but was also surprised by the overwhelmingly positive reaction. It was OK, not bad, not good but just ok, there's nothing wrong with that, I just don't understand what others liked in it, because didn't find much
@comedyman868
2 ай бұрын
Peak commentary I agree.
@Alte.Kameraden
Ай бұрын
Glad I didn't fall for it. Show was utterly stupid and cringe from top to bottom. Even if you ignore the lore breaking parts. NCR vs BOS battle at the Observatory is the best example of just how bad the show is. 😂
@dejureclaims8214
Ай бұрын
I instantly click on every negative critique of the Fallout show. I NEED to. It's finding someone who has been through the same recovery process, a small circle of sanity.
@mrhopadopalus
Ай бұрын
It kills me this series does the same things as halo, (but halo claims to be its own universe) and gets nothing but praise
@collinchristensen7405
Ай бұрын
Hey wait. The scribe shot the gulper in the head, but completely misses all of his shots later on. Wow.
@quarterpounderwithcheese3178
2 ай бұрын
As a diehard og FO fan, I watched the show with my wife who doesn't know the first thing about the ip besides the vault boy logo. A fan and a normie. After 45 minutes, we just looked at each other in disbelief and asked "wtf are we watching?" and just watched something else. It is horrendous, both to the canon lore, but also just narratively as a story. It's all trash. I guess Amazon didnt learn a fkn thing with the rings of power or the wheel of time and just thought people want to watch the Boys: Fallout edition.
@Umcarasemvideo
Ай бұрын
7:38 No, when people want to overturn the social order it's because they stand to benefit from the shift, that can be either an oppressed lower class or a powerfull upperclass.
@REDACTEDGOLD
27 күн бұрын
people in power are the ones who hold order, so by general logic and reasoning it would be an oppressed lower and middle class rising up, literally works this way in most societal structure...
@jager9633
Ай бұрын
This show is painfully idiotic. The universal praise it gets is unbelievable to me.
@jorgedeanoperez2997
Ай бұрын
I have been saying this since the very day the show aired. I binged it in 8 hours after release, and by the end I was left feeling numb by the fact the show was good, and very well made, but it was a terrible adaptation of the games, and the fact they made it canon to the games broke my fucking heart, for they rendered them all inconsequential
@zadristok_live
2 ай бұрын
I did not watched the video yet, dinner is cooking. But i gotta warn you, PREPARE for a storm of normies, they will be mad.
@fearm424
Ай бұрын
Normies 😭
@dangi6516
21 күн бұрын
@@fearm424 ? ... Yes normies/tourists, people who only know about fallout because of this show and now they think they are Opus Magnum of entire lore when they don't even know what super mutants are or who Stanisław Brown is .
@fearm424
20 күн бұрын
@@dangi6516 if you use that term still, you probably got made fun of in school. Im going to go enjoy the show now while you spend hours with a magnifying glass, malding.
@dangi6516
20 күн бұрын
@@fearm424 No, I wasn't, but good for you that you like the series+ I honestly can't wait for season 2 because seeing that they destroyed New Vegas, we'll have The Last Jedi v2
@brodieorr5393
3 күн бұрын
the worst part about this show is that it could've been so good. I think a fallout show has a ton of potential.. All of the superficial aspects of the show are damn near perfect. If the show understood the original games any why they worked (on top of not having to deal with bethesda, who turns everything it touches into dog shit) you could make an incredible and poignant fallout show. instead they decided to go with the most surface level social commentary that even the original fallout did better almost 30 years ago Even if they set this show on the east coast i wouldn't be so mad about it. The fact that they decided to set it in the most important location to west coat lore feels like intentional destruction of the original lore
@Arifureta_is_fire
Ай бұрын
I agree that you made many good points throughout your video, but I would like to provide a counter argument to your first point. I feel that having the executives decide to nuke the world could be looked at as another version of war never changes. Most wars are started by people who think that they could make a perfect utopia if only they could control the world and teach people how to become better. The executives and vault-tec thought that if they were able to wipe the world and rebuild it themselves by teaching people how to be better, that the world would be perfect. This is obviously not the case but I can understand why they would think that their plan would work because people have believed that bad plans would work before and they will continue to do so because many people think they’re brilliant when they really aren’t all that smart. Great video, keep up the good work.
@geraltgrey-mane695
Күн бұрын
Thank you!! I was the only in my friend group who pointed out so many problems with the show, and when I brought the problems I saw up. They normly just said. "Oh... I didnt think on that." or something similar to it >.< I thought, am I the only one seeing this? AM I ON CRAZY PILLS HERE ?!? :D:D haha
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