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@PainxSorrow
Жыл бұрын
These podcasts are probably the last good thing about ow
@TheH1st0ry
Жыл бұрын
Small information: OW2 PvE was canceled in the mid of S2 (end of 2022) and only the resources where shifted to PvP at the end of 2021. So they did not know that PvE was canceled when they launched OW2 and the Watchpoint pack. Seagull also spoke about this.
@thebole123
Жыл бұрын
Overwatch game is designed by similar philosophy as Heroes of the storm (teambased Moba with 0 ability to carry) and it will have same fate as HOTS to DOTA or LOL and OW to CSGO Valorant or Apex..
@TheFushigiFan99
Жыл бұрын
Really random but Freedo's voice was made for radio and content like this. His voice is so recognizable to me and he always speaks so clearly.
@philipjennings4664
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@thefamilymealgaming
Жыл бұрын
legit when Valorant came out and he started doing valo content i knew straight away it was him
@CommanderSammer
Жыл бұрын
So was his face! /j
@passadelirious4947
Жыл бұрын
The wonderful talent of oratory.
@i.r.weasel7042
Жыл бұрын
Rock Paper Scissors isn't fun, especially if your teammates stay on paper while the enemies are all scissors.
@AarPlays
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Character counters don't feel good because it doesn't feel like you're being out skilled, you're just being out charactered
@DriplessShrimp
Жыл бұрын
100% this. So many matches spawn holding on D then the other team hard counters and my team has one tricks and we get steamrolled.
@Smitten02
Жыл бұрын
@@DriplessShrimp worst part is that one-tricking can be really fun and people shouldn't be punished for it. I desperately want to one-trick but I know if I want to win I have to counter pick and it isn't fun.
@wolfbeard76
Жыл бұрын
But… OW2 has less counter picking… (Cannot BELIEVE they told us that initially lmfao)
@damianvaldez9390
Жыл бұрын
Real talk if I counter swap on tank then the other asshole swaps and swaps and then maybe dps joins in to let their tank stay zarya. Blame the game not the people who play
@pokvirus5705
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the true Mischief and Magic is the promised PVE mode and one tank player we lost along the way
@hoodiejaybert8581
Жыл бұрын
fingers crossed 🤞🏽
@akionlizard
Жыл бұрын
"Mischief & Magic" is just prop hunt
@WhataBotch
Жыл бұрын
5v5 ruined the competitive aspect of the game. 1 shot problem, damage boost problem, supports over powered. Everything went wrong after we lost that tank.
@infraroderik4348
Жыл бұрын
I understand why they're charging money but there is no way I can get my friends who never played overwatch or quit overwatch 4 years ago to pay 15$ for it. I'm imagining a world where only the group leader would have to own the PvE which would bring so many more people back to overwatch because they get to try it out with friends. Unfortunately thats never gonna happen...
@seapower2109
Жыл бұрын
It should be if one person in the party owns it everybody can play it. But thats too pro consumer for Blizzard
@waynetec13
Жыл бұрын
Yep. None of my old squad plays anymore. Hell, I don't, either, but I'd come back to play PvE with friends, but I'm not interested in $15 for 3 throwaway missions. If I won't, I KNOW my squad that quit 3 years ago won't do it. Especially with games like Diablo, and newer shooters and newer MP games. Ain't no way.
@amishshaggy
Жыл бұрын
Bruh, you don't have to come back, play other games, it's fine! People be acting like not coming back is the worst thing ever, if you don't want to spend money on it, then more power to you! People move on from things everyday in their lives. The music they listened to changes, the KZitem videos they watch changes. The places people live changes! It happens, and it's okay
@seapower2109
Жыл бұрын
@@amishshaggy either thats satire or sarcasm and either way wasnt funny
@amishshaggy
Жыл бұрын
@@seapower2109 it's reality dude, people leave things everyday and move on it's not bad to stop playing a game or not being able to get people back into a game they left 4 years ago. It's completely normal
@AkaruMiach
Жыл бұрын
I still remember a few months ago when people said "CCS WILL BE GONE! NO MORE ROCK/PAPER/SCISSORS COUNTERS! EVERY HERO WILL BE VIABLE IN MOST SITUATION!" And yet here we are.
@GetQuakedOn
Жыл бұрын
1:34:34 i love players who dont play sombra that swap to sombra to counter me on a hero i have 2500+ hours on. like yeah man you deserved it bro. you're outplaying me 🔥🔥
@nailinthefashion
Жыл бұрын
Cry more noob just get gooder and counter your counter duh
@Gerwhal
Жыл бұрын
And the new long range instant hack that does damage, aka Cass nade! Haha
@johnnypt14
Жыл бұрын
Well, im sorry but, that's what overwatch is. It's always been. I quit the game several months ago because I came to terms with the fact that Overwatch's problems are the very concept of the game and not whatever changes are made to it. Hard cc, hard counters, low skill heroes, press q to win. These are the very core of the game. Expecting them to change is expecting the game to seize to exist. Or to mutate into a different game. If a lot of players come to the same realization as me rest assured Blizzard will take a hit it can never recover from
@jeromus7799
Жыл бұрын
I can't bring myself to play doom this season good luck man
@Doggof2p
Жыл бұрын
The new Mcree grenade is pure c@ncer. Its basically ow1 grenade stun
@Warrior_Meta
Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen so many people say flats is a boosted tank player, but I have a sneaking suspicion that many of them have never played ow1 let alone in a mid to higher rank
@jorrellrichardson3181
Жыл бұрын
They gave life weaver a needler but didn't give him the build up burst that makes the needler good.
@seapower2109
Жыл бұрын
They gave it to Mei instead bc these devs are morons lol
@HiIeric117
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but games where the needler was actually good also tended to make it a power weapon because it was THAT good. I don't think that's what anyone wants in OW.
@MODERN-GAMING-IS-TRASH
Жыл бұрын
They should do a bleeding build up for sure, but not a damage burst like Halo 😂😂😂 that shit was borderline op.
@FoxiestDuck
Жыл бұрын
1:37:00 When Cassidy's grenade is better at disabling heroes then Sombra's actual hack :D
@SpartanKyuubi
Жыл бұрын
Sombra still can do it from a safer position, get to where she wants to be faster than anybody, easily escape, does not overwhelm supports on healing needs, and has one of the strongest ultimates in the DPS category.
@FoxiestDuck
Жыл бұрын
I'm just talking the one ability and not the hero overall. Sombra overall is a strong dps(despite me getting told to switch in bronze). It's just entertaining how disruptive the grenade is compared to current sombra hack that requires precise timing/knowledge to be actually be disruptive.
@lone4896
Жыл бұрын
blizzard can give us a piece of stone and name it PVE, and fanboys can still argue that a piece of stone is environmental, thus its true to what they have been promised all along, nothing wrong here
@KiraMahMan
Жыл бұрын
I see a lot of "better than nothing" thrown around on twitter when defending the "PvE" we'll be getting and it sickens me
@czekskii
Жыл бұрын
1:36:30 The entire SVB rant I was just thinking this is exactly why I wanted PVE so bad. I just wanna play the heroes I like without swapping 24/7. You should have to lock your hero at the start, no swaps, maybe a draft or character bans... anything to stop me from playing stuff I don't want to play just to counter the ops counter picking me
@KingOfNebbishes
Жыл бұрын
Yep, they took oceans of data about how people like to play a very few heroes and gave it to the execs and the execs decided to throw it all out in favor of a revenue stream, and now everyone can't understand why the game feels terrible.
@ironman1458
Жыл бұрын
@@KingOfNebbishes I agree with everything expect that people cant understand why the game feels terrible lol, seems pretty obvious to me its been about money this whole time
@daygoo053
Жыл бұрын
Don't even play OW anymore but SVB forever king of this OW ish💰
@Doggof2p
Жыл бұрын
Debatable but aight
@damianvaldez9390
Жыл бұрын
@@Doggof2p how the hell are you going to debate this guy’s opinion 😂. Tell me your favorite color and I’ll tell you why you’re wrong🤣
@yamchacrater2913
Жыл бұрын
One of these missions should be free to play for everyone. Give free players an experience, and it would serve as a demo in a way.
@thepackattack4941
Жыл бұрын
Just say ur to poor to afford 15$ lol
@czarspriite7238
Жыл бұрын
@@thepackattack4941 It shouldnt even cost money in the first place. Why is it wrong to want whats best for myself as a consumer.
@thepackattack4941
Жыл бұрын
@@czarspriite7238 so you just want free handouts in life?
@yamchacrater2913
Жыл бұрын
@@thepackattack4941 my comment has nothing to do with me. I’m stating what I think they should do as a good business practice
@zc8673
Жыл бұрын
Fr tho, especially after all this shit at least the first episode being free is just plain reasonable.
@wildwarturkey8356
Жыл бұрын
In hindsight over the last 12 monthes of ow2 and the lead up, I think what's affected me the most is realising that blizzard thinks of ow as a mid tier IP when I thought it was the best thing to come to gaming. Seeing something you love and have made friends through get battered bit by bit by greed and neglect just hurts. It could have been so much more to so many people, RIP overwatch the next game that gives vaguely the same feeling/gameplay loop as ow will destroy it
@jaxsonburch-eo1vz
Жыл бұрын
You nailed it with your comment. OW had so much not just as a game but as an ip. They could have made shows or a movie, more books and comics, spin off games, etc. And the pve was supposed to bring in a whole new audience that either doesn’t play pvp or just wants to try a cool new game. They fumbled the bag hard.
@nidhishshivashankar4885
Жыл бұрын
I wish so bad I could play a similar game that isn’t ow but has similar movement feel
@alexthebat-uy5be
Жыл бұрын
That game isn’t coming anytime soon unfortunately
@zay2850
Жыл бұрын
i been missing samito
@xavierharris4036
Жыл бұрын
You mean mr. Minecraft
@Codee_
Жыл бұрын
same here
@twoduece
Жыл бұрын
1:34:40 probably the single sentiment ive resonated with most in all of these, the experience of playing a fantastic game on your best hero to get hit with 3 counter swaps that make them absolutely unplayable is the most miserable experience in the game.
@Farmer_Rick_Ross
Жыл бұрын
After the announcement of the pve being cancelled and put behind a paywall I dropped OW2 entirely and started playing other games with friends. I can honestly say I’m so much happier. I truly wasn’t even enjoying my victories on overwatch but now I’m back to enjoying video games
@Nynzy
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Flats around 38 to 40 minutes. Playing OW2 feels awful right now, maybe it is the 5v5, or maybe the balance. Anecdotally the higher rank i get the less fun the game gets. I loved the Archives stuff and replaying them with all heroes. I really want to enjoy the game, and Pve was that hope~
@zoey.steelimus
Жыл бұрын
Flats describing how he still enjoys the idea of overwatch but hates playing the game is EXACTLY how I've been feeling. I definitely would have come back for pve, and I have friends who probably would have too :/
@Pango1028
Жыл бұрын
What if the mercy pocket “weighed down” pharah when tethered adding a higher fuel use
@IssaUserName
Жыл бұрын
I've been saying solo que is all that matters because I want to see a shift in the culture towards people not blaming randoms and communicating with them. Imo, a good player should be able to formulate plans and communicate with a random player. Not just there friends and not just play to say "fuck the random they ruined the game REEEEE".
@crustynut7193
Жыл бұрын
I love how freedos skin turns whiter the longer this video goes on
@tropicata
Жыл бұрын
SVB nailed the reason tank feels so miserable. Not only is it hard counters, but it's the fact the game actively punishes you for playing well and expressing yourself - because the better you perform the more you become a magnet for every bullshit "i win" ability from the opposing team. You're encouraged to sit afk behind cover all match and keep track of 50 cooldowns while everybody else gets to have fun, and if you dare make a SINGLE aggressive play, you better fucking hope your support has your back otherwise you go from 600hp to 0 in a microsecond. It's such a horrifically bad dynamic. Tank went from my favorite role to one of the most demoralizing things I've ever felt in a multiplayer game
@therealdude707
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Whenever I played tank I felt like I only impacted the game when I mess up. But on DPS or Support I feel like I have impact on the game.
@davidhvacddc
Жыл бұрын
After 5 years and 12k comp hours... I'm Happy to not play for the last 2 weeks... found a game that's Fun and not just a let down. Flats you look SO happy playing D4. I'm happy playing SF6. Maybe after all the Lies and Pain... it's time to say good bye Ex. Hello new fun exciting not lying Gf. Or ummm game. Lol
@MsElViktor
Жыл бұрын
From someone who playes League, i have to say that i really enjoyed the quest watch visual novel (since League does this in the last couple of.years). And that Flats monologue in the end, fucking nailed it, what a legend. Svb and Freedo were so dissapointed about the questwatch that they didnt even mentioned whats to come (in the next month) and the 4v1 mode. I get why they are frustrated with those things, been an high elo content creator its hard and it kinda make them look less about the casual experience, cuz its not from them. Thinking a little now, I would like to see an group up with hehe casual content creators
@HeavilyArmed1
Жыл бұрын
17:21 Thank goodness Flats finally said it because it seems most OW creators make comparisons to Valorant skins without knowing how they work. If I purchase a $19 Overwatch skin for Junkrat, that it. I can't use that Junkrat skin whilst playing Widowmaker. If I purchase a $19 Valorant skin, not only can I use that Knife/Weapon skin on any agent I play, I get 2-3 Color variants of that same skin to switch between freely.
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
are there $19 valorant skins? i don't play or really watch content on it (except the occasional time a variety streamer i watch plays it) so the only thing ive ever heard about is the 100+ dollar stuff.
@InkLink
Жыл бұрын
@@endless_del yes, there are, I believe it ranges all the way from 10$ to "the sky is the limit"
@HeavilyArmed1
Жыл бұрын
@@endless_del The closest example would be $17 Premium skins. These almost always come with 2-3 Color Varients and last-kill animations. They are part of a larger bundle and can always be purchased individually. $8 Skins are also a thing, look just as good, but do not have as many bells and whistles. $100 skins in Valorant do not exist. $100 Skin Bundles do. These bundles are equivalent to Mythic skins in OW featuring more last-kill animations than OW launched new heroes (search "RADIANT ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM showcase" for example), multiple weapon keychains, profile Icons and sprays. Individually they cost $28 which is steep for most and justified for others considering what you get. Since Valorant launch 3 years ago, only been 2 such bundles have released.
@johnnypt14
Жыл бұрын
There's also the rarity element (I don't know if valorant has this) that contributes to insane prices in counter strike and team fortress. Yeah "there are hundred dollar hats and knifes" but unboxing one of those is exceedingly rare so it's only expensive cause there is demand and difficulty in acquiring one. It's way more justified than these overwatch prices where you pay for shit you wont get to look at cause you'll be picking healer all the time, since it's the one role no one picks. Or you'll be too busy countering x with z and your fave character stays in the bench
@endless_del
Жыл бұрын
thanks for all the info in the replies! what i'm gathering is the more apt comparison would be fortnite skin bundles. similarly priced, and they all come with accessories (gliders, axes, etc) that are designed for that character skin, but can be used on others. just like the weapon charms and souvenirs for overwatch. but still not entirely the same because i can play as spider-man 24/7 in fortnite if i want to, but i can only use zeus while playing JQ so if she sucks or i don't play her, it's useless. i personally think the shop prices in OW are fair and i personally would make a loved one take away my credit card if i spent over 60$ on a single microtransaction in ANY game, but i don't judge others for it. i just personally could never find justification for spending that much on a cosmetic bundle.
@Jaymizuband
Жыл бұрын
37:05 Loved Flats’lil essay here. Articulated a good point I don’t think many considered at all with it came to developing Overwatch moving on.
@mito._
Жыл бұрын
I kind of feel like the story we needed for Overwatch 2 was just a paraphrasing of real insider and developer stories. Because for the lack of story content we are getting after 7 years, it definitely feels like we're in the middle of the season arc when it comes to Blizzard and Bobby.
@torokil7065
Жыл бұрын
Feeling empty without Samito
@BridgyP
Жыл бұрын
He expressed ignorant views to the same drama that SVB came and called out. His views are incompatible with SVB and suspect you'll never see "the avengers" fully together on this podcast again
@Jaymizuband
Жыл бұрын
@@BridgyPSVB literally mentions and speaks for him before this whole thing even starts, if Sam never appears again its cause hes a CEO now.
@nashovoscallando1098
Жыл бұрын
@@BridgyPnever cook again
@SnakeSkinz
Жыл бұрын
@@BridgyPLmao calling someone while being ignorant is wild
@aalltt892
Жыл бұрын
@@BridgyP They hated you because you spoke the truth lmao "h-he's just busy guys!" The nickmercs dickriding 100% burned any bridge Samito had back on the show, he just doesn't care to ever be back on again and traded his old smaller sized friends to try for some new larger clout
@MetalMilitia83
Жыл бұрын
All this debate, meanwhile from software releases elden ring for 60 dollars with no micro transactions. Free updates, a true pvp and pve mode with coop and engaging gameplay. Overwatch relies on milking cash from consumers. Loot boxes in a already 60 dollar game, then a battle pass system for the same exact game but calling it 2. Then charging money for a half baked mode for a ridiculous price. Zelda isn’t riddled with micro transactions, it’s just a really good game. Don’t settle for this garbage
@BridgyP
Жыл бұрын
You can't compare the best game of the console generation this far to a F2P macrotransaction fest. It's disrespectful to actually good gaming developers and publishers
@MetalMilitia83
Жыл бұрын
@@BridgyP just did
@CarlosCruz-bu1kd
Жыл бұрын
Season 6 is probably going to be fun. I’m down to try season 6 and then head out with flats lol.
@MetalMilitia83
Жыл бұрын
Season 5 issues, Pve cancelation and paid story missions have pushed be to delete the game for the first time since 2016. I grinded to top 500 and now I can’t justify playing anymore. I’ve put so much time into this game and I feel betrayed
@aboveSubparBallAnalysis
Жыл бұрын
It’s time they don’t care about vets and our lives and family deserve better so we must turn our backs and good faith in this game forever Fuck you for ruining my life Overwatch
@adamjames8419
Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on kicking the addiction :)
@amishshaggy
Жыл бұрын
Nice! Have fun watching TV shows that are also addicting, playing other games and putting just as many hours into them as well. Listening to music and watching KZitem videos that will sometimes bring you down a rabbit hole that are also addicting.
@MetalMilitia83
Жыл бұрын
@@amishshaggy bait
@Donler
Жыл бұрын
Chillin in comments representing all the ppl that don't play OW anymore, but still wanna support SVB.
@jplayzow
Жыл бұрын
I finally had to stop a week ago it's like the whole world has changed for the better
@K3nji_S
Жыл бұрын
People spend 100 dollars on a skin in Val?
@b23beatz
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Velkin999
Жыл бұрын
It was heavily implied by many sources that the watchpoint pack would give access to pve.
@boltywolty123
Жыл бұрын
90% of my friends already quit this game. The couple who remain won’t be touching the PVE. Player base is dying.. it’s the end for overwatch now.
@FlipsMG
Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna cry, no Samito... the Avengers have been defeated
@thatgayguy2824
Жыл бұрын
Kid's disgusting. Not worth crying over, lil bro
@vincentcovenant5752
Жыл бұрын
@@thatgayguy2824Sorry sam hurt your feelings buddy
@thatgayguy2824
Жыл бұрын
@@vincentcovenant5752 eyes*
@AarPlays
Жыл бұрын
Flats straightforwardness always brings me back to anything he's on
@Jeronimoeser
Жыл бұрын
All I wanted out of PvE was an adaptation of Starcraft 2 co-op where it starts off with a small core cast of heroes to play and then you can pay 5/10/15 bucks to unlock newer ones for the mode with not so much a talent tree but more of a sequence of unlocking passives and then some kind of basic alterations for some or even all skills (i.e. Ramattra's nano field is around him/heals allies/is normal but has bigger aoe, Hanzo's sonar arrow slows in an area, you get the idea). Instead, I get a mode of play I am so uninterested in that I couldn't even guarantee that I would watch VoDs of streamers I like playing it. Feels bad, man.
@Swimsalot123MC
Жыл бұрын
Damn that sounds awesome and a lot less complicated to develop, too bad you're not working at blizz😢
@jk5385
Жыл бұрын
change the tank passive to reduce all cc effects and durations by 50% or something, tweak this number. I think that would solve a lot of issues with tank feeling bad.
@greensky5328
Жыл бұрын
They should make a game mode where you can't swap characters once you've locked in just to see how it'd go. Reworking the tank passive to slightly favor survivability would also be interesting though I think a plethora of small character specific buffs would be the healthiest way to solve Flats problem of tanks feeling underpowered.
@pandatooyou3709
Жыл бұрын
SVB is ridiculously professional moderator/host, I’m struggling to think of a better one (for game related discussion pods)
@willanrac
Жыл бұрын
I feel like if they had just put the story missions by them selves for like 8 dollars and still give the pack for 15 we wouldn't really have a problem with it. its just the fact we are only given one option. There would be a lot less grumbling if we got the illusion of choice, its still a shitty option but it would feel for fair for the pocket book.
@ironman1458
Жыл бұрын
after all the letdown with how they handled pve it honestly shouldve just been seasonal and included in the battle pass starting in season 1 to actually give something to buy in the battlepass other than a hero you probably need to counter pick something because they lied and counter picks are somehow even worse now
@solarscreams2447
Жыл бұрын
Included with the battle pass would've been a big W for them
@lilsouixboy
Жыл бұрын
At this point, I think most casual players like myself ain’t playing the “PvE” (campaign mode) until it’s free, on game-pass, or it has a reasonable price for the whole thing. If they had a price tag of $20-30 but you get all the PvE content forever I’d buy it, but not this way; I can’t support it. Here’s hoping I get to play it someday 🍺
@illik4018
Жыл бұрын
@Freedo, You call blizzard out.... these shit changes are ruining the game and you just accept it. So Blizzard is like " o they will get over it and still hand fists of money".
@yilmazzzz9044
Жыл бұрын
you should get bogur on one of these great debates, he wasnt there with the content creators hyping ow2 up. his opinion would resonate more with the regular people cuz of no nda's
@stormRed
Жыл бұрын
Lifeweaver should TOTALLY get Mei or Cass' CC! It would make sense thematically too since they could be tangled in roots and it fits his sorta non-violent vibe.
@Cyrax559
Жыл бұрын
I never understood the pain that tank players went through until I myself started playing tank and MAN
@Bluemansonic
Жыл бұрын
Most people are still upset that they thought it was gonna be free even though we've been telling them for years
@raysftw
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Watched the whole thing while unlocking all the mommy Lilith statues in Diablo IV, so thanks for that. lol
@Zyborgg
Жыл бұрын
The funny thing is every problem can be solved with a pick and ban system. Oh you wanna play winston but not deal with reaper? Ban him. You'll still have to deal with, torb, brig and so on. You wanna get out of spawn on junkertown? Ban widow. You'll still have to deal with ashe. So the devs gigabuffed cassidy? Ban him. Only problem is there's gonna be more than one hero your team wants to ban. But at least you wont have to play vs widow every game on junkertown. If everyone on your team picks different bans you're still gonna get her banned at least 20% of the time. This would also somewhat solve the problem that you don't have to nerf heroes to the ground.
@wolfbeard76
Жыл бұрын
Idk if anyone else has this issue, but you can’t play the demon lord mode with friends at the moment.. you just sit forever in a queue. Only solo queuing for it seems to work :(
@yourchannel1186
Жыл бұрын
gotta stop brining flats on ive never seen anyone think they were the main character more in my life
@SpartanKyuubi
Жыл бұрын
Been saying the same for a long time. He thinks the game is about him and what he wants 😂
@mikestakeon
Жыл бұрын
While it's somewhat understandable thinking about it as a content creator whose livelihood depends on the content, it's disappointing to hear that both Flats and Freeedo are just completely content with buying the story missions, even after ranting about how scummy and wrong Blizzard's handling of this is. If their behaviour is so wrong, why support it? Giving them money for this crap is exactly what they want. It doesn't deserve to be rewarded.
@hy3na739
Жыл бұрын
Yeah... Tank feels miserable... Discord orb, Cass stun, Mei slow, the constant counterswapping...
@aqueleRu
Жыл бұрын
Really sad not having Sam on the podcast.
@c_bons
Жыл бұрын
Why they haven’t implemented Home Screen customization (wallpaper and music), weapon skins, cooler profile customization, things like that is beyond me… all of which can be earned by completing difficult tasks similar to COD will keep players engaged and playing your game. Also, they need to give a much much bigger system of rewards for competitive players.
@8R3ND0clips
Жыл бұрын
Lifeweaver damage should decrease healing taken by 25% for 2 seconds
@ZhongjieDong
Жыл бұрын
The reason why games are so expensive to develop these days is exactly this, revisions, scrapping work already done, direction changes etc. It's weak/absent leadership, if you had one or two people with a strong vision at the top given free reign, better games that cost less would be produced.
@luistown9601
Жыл бұрын
I think (and maybe its Copium) that the reason why they specifically called PvE permanent access in those prices is because it will be probably free for all but you can only play it in the season (maybe its in the free battle pass like the heroes) but if thats the case their marketing is fucking trash
@353darkesthour
Жыл бұрын
My biggest problem with the pve paywall is that pve was designed inherently for players who don’t like pvp but love the characters, like my wife. You should not have to buy 1000 coins or the battlepass in order to play the pve when my wife is not going to play remotely enough to complete the battlepass. You want 5$ for 1.5 hours of content? Sure, let me pay 5$ for it then.
@stillarobyn
Жыл бұрын
The original vision of the PvE was going to be a full price game (not sure if numbers were ever released). There was always going to be a paywall of sorts. Now we're getting a watered down version, so that needs to be reflected in the cost, but it was never going to be free, even if you already were established in the PvP. I do agree that the first episode or mission or whatever should be free. The bundling issue in the shop is continuing to be a problem for OW2. Just let people buy the one thing they want!
@crom5906
Жыл бұрын
2:03:54 the way I see it is that characters who only require one skill are not necessarily easier than characters who require multiple. It depends on the skill. But when you have a character who takes multiple different skills, prime example being ball, you can supplement one for the other. If you have very good tech skill you can make up for garbage aim skills. Also works vice versa. Widow is 90% aim, but what that means is than you can't supplement aim with other skills. Even if your positioning is godlike, if you can't click heads you're bad at the hero.
@johnmetzakis2910
Жыл бұрын
i forsee the roster will end up with half having CC and half having the ability to remove CC
@bittersweetblueberry3517
Жыл бұрын
I can sympathise with the Devs not getting enough time or resources for the PVE they envisioned. But at the end of the day the core problem was that Blizzard overscopped to truely ridiculous degree. And PVE's cancellation probably could have been avoided if the Devs were more realistic with their goals In the announcement of PVE's cancellation one of the Devs said it was too difficult to make 50+ talents for every hero in the game. But giving each hero 50+ talents was their decision. They could have chosen to have a lot fewer talents per hero. Even a tenth of that could have lead to a somewhat satisfying progression system.
@mossup-
Жыл бұрын
They did not Over Scope, its all BS, they are a multi billion $$ company who could have easily afforded a small team to work on either PvE or PvP, so they could have easily dont it. even if they released it in an early state but they should have been much further along by now, so there excuse was not strictly 100% fact.
@solarscreams2447
Жыл бұрын
They ARE still releasing it in an early state by spacing it out every few months. Their incompetence is incomprehensible
@hashomi0596
Жыл бұрын
People making content on TF2 with 1Mil+ views, meanwhile flats is acting like a child. Expecting high view counts and engagement with such low effort content is a pipe dream.
@gizmo2445
Жыл бұрын
it's questioned in the beginning "i don't know why casuals are willing to buy and play Diablo 4, a blizzard game but hate OW2" (i paraphrased) and the answer is really simple and in fact the casuals told you already. "Overwatch 2, Lul more like Overwatch 1.5" or "Overwatch 2 is just overwatch 1" agree or disagree with them that's how the casual sees OW2 and it being 'free' won't change that perception while Diablo 4 is in no way shape or form Diablo 3 and the only people who have that opinion are the die hard Diablo fans who have an issue with some specific system within the game.
@gizmo2445
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the Destiny seasonal model, you’re gonna hate it.
@bennettnez4711
Жыл бұрын
It feels good to be welcomed. Also, thank you. I really needed a good laugh today. That was great.😂
@zAznInVaznz
Жыл бұрын
"widow is the mercy of dps" SO TRUE
@radicalrobynette7138
Жыл бұрын
It's honestly just so hard to trust anything the OW team promises now. Especially since they announced the hero mastery mode for season 6 and then *one week* later said it's gonna be delayed to mid season 6... I don't think I've ever seen a delay be announced so soon after an initial announcement. Ever. Please correct me if I'm wrong lol. And like I know that a promise from any dev team for any game has a chance to never happen. But it has happened so often with Overwatch that I just literally am not gonna trust any planned content announcement anymore. I'm just gonna play the game and if shit gets released cool. Also just wanted to say that I know the devs don't want this to happen constantly and it's likely not their fault. Shit happens + higher ups meddling.
@bennettnez4711
Жыл бұрын
I was so confused when I saw it was delayed. I was convinced I was reading the article wrong. Absolutely ridiculous that it happened that fast and it definitely doesn't make me trust them anymore. Been playing since 2016, I still want to love the game, but they make it harder almost every day.
@radicalrobynette7138
Жыл бұрын
@@bennettnez4711 I've been playing since 2016 as well. And it was so confusing... At this point they shouldn't announce anything anymore lol.
@reddragooner
Жыл бұрын
the zarya example is a good example for why people don't understand how to play against good snipers and why they need to shut up when it comes to balancing them
@jacobbaartz7710
Жыл бұрын
I understand the points flats makes on skin monetization, but I still disagree. We got our $30-60 of live service uptime on overwatch 1 Expectation isn't relevant. It's the cost of the work. I can't milk tips from someone because the last guy gave me a tip (just a hypothetical). "I don't even play cass, I play tank": Don't buy the Cass skin. This is more an argument for blizzard if anything. Anytime they make a skin, only a fraction of the playerbase will even buy it. I also think any attempt for players to get earnable skins, is moreso to skirt buying any skins ever. The only fair progression system I can think of, is one where we've got exclusively purchasable cosmetics of a kind, and then have other things you can earn/buy. I.e. Maybe character skins are exclusively purchaseable, and maybe you can have earnable weapon skins or something. Cosmetic prices are for blizzard to decide, im sure they aim to make the most from them. To be fair to blizzard, progression systems should be excluded from the monetized items, as it's only an effort to replace them.
@claudiuspulcher2440
Жыл бұрын
Freedo's statement about 'investing' is so weird. unless you are a stockholder, you were not "investing" by buying silly skins hoping the game would get better. The word for that is "sucker." And I think that's part of why he feels so betrayed...
@Dfm25387
Жыл бұрын
5v5 is the problem I feel like if they would have just balanced 6v6 the game would be way better
@Jugokazooie
Жыл бұрын
Me. I don’t play anymore. I really do enjoy the idea and the universe of characters and I just remember playing it and that is good with me.
@insomniaddictesp
Жыл бұрын
As a person that lapsed a long time ago, I like hearing about what’s going on with the game, so, welcome Flats. The idea is better than the reality. Second thing, I’m not coming back for a couple of campaign missions. The battle pass isn’t how I want it. I never play DPS, I suck, I’m not going to get better, so I don’t care for skins from HALF the heroes. If they had given me creds to buy what I want from the shop and put it in the track, with big value for buying the pass, then maybe I would buy a battle pass. But the main reason I don’t come back is because I don’t understand the point of a PvP game that’s not sincerely invested in competitive. What’s the point of that? I have random ass PVP that’s a side game in my main game already. I don’t need a whole game for PVP I don’t care to succeed in.
@illik4018
Жыл бұрын
As a casual, in OW1 I worked towards skins. Now, I have no reason. I do not have time to play to lvl 80, even with a battle pass. I have kids and can't play till they in bed. So at most I can play 2-3 hours a day and that is if I want to lose sleep to play. So why should I buy a battle pass. It's why I lost interest in destiny. I want to log in play a few rounds to relax and de-stress. Now I log in and get frustrated and quit. Adding to my stress rather then de-stress. If I could I would play 6-8 hours a day I can't. So I watch/listen to videos on the game I wish to play. It's Extreamly annoying to hear the game is geared toward me when it's not. It used to be. Live service is not geared toward casuals. Why would I pay for a battle pass if I get no use out of it. Game is geared toward kids with parents credit cards.
@krapuulx
Жыл бұрын
I used to have 8 friends playing OW with me daily. Couldn't team up for ranked many times due to differences. Now team queue is here, but my friends are gone. I fear many of the good incoming changes are way over due, people already left..
@FoxiestDuck
Жыл бұрын
It sucks, because a $15 3 mission pack is basically $30 in Australia. That's 1/4ish of diablo 4 day 1 price. for maybe 2-3hours of gameplay.
@amishshaggy
Жыл бұрын
Then play Diablo, no one is forcing you to buy the missions bruh
@FoxiestDuck
Жыл бұрын
Such a shallow reply. Already am playing. Just showing the price point is so unrealistic compared to other media they make for basically throw away content for them now
@amishshaggy
Жыл бұрын
@@FoxiestDuck nice! Honestly, I've never played Diablo but ive heard it's really good from like literally everyone I mean, I don't think this content is "throw away content" this was shit they spent 4 years making for it not to turn out the way they wanted it to. If that means it's throw away then I disagree. I don't really think $15 for 3 missions and other stuff is that crazy either, especially if the missions are pretty long or hard to complete. I've paid way more money for 1 1/2 hours of entertainment going to a movie theater so I guess I just don't see this as a lot of money
@onetruegamer
Жыл бұрын
No samito 😥
@LokixRiddle
Жыл бұрын
I queue up for my all roles for dailies. Always get tank, always hate it. I used to love tank it was my favorite role in the game. Now I fucking hate it.
@micahfoster7717
Жыл бұрын
The robot in the thumbnail is the closest thing to PVE we’ve gotten yet 😭
@bennettnez4711
Жыл бұрын
More than Blizzard even gave us, fuck..
@calmguru1274
Жыл бұрын
It's wild that people still think this game can ever be balanced. The problems are deeper, it's a design issue. The game will never be in a place where the hero fantasy can be fulfilled for any given character. It's not possible.
@b23beatz
Жыл бұрын
Balance is fine..? You can one trick any character to gm
@Warrior_Meta
Жыл бұрын
@@b23beatzI want to just understand, how is the balance fine because you can one trick a character to gm?
@mangshu21
Жыл бұрын
@@b23beatz stay in gm for 2 years steaight without ever dropping while one tricking. Can you do it?? 😂😂😂 This is a bad excuse
@hobonolen
Жыл бұрын
been saying since OW1 they need to have character selection PRE MATCH …. If everyone picks 2 heroes in their role There would be 2 tanks to choose from , 8 damage players to choose from and 8 support to choose throughout the match . It would make it a lot more skill based rather than which character beats which, which would still exist A great example of this working , my friend will mop a round as rein and when the enemy switches to counter him he switches to ball and we lose… if we just had you FORCED onto roles it would also show a clear win percentage for players and heroes vs beating good players with counters
@burni988
Жыл бұрын
1:26:35 don't really understand this take. I'm pretty sure having actually good balance that allows for people to have more freedom in their picks would be better and more fun than artificially forcing different things to be hard meta every 2 weeks. That also doesn't sound like a good idea for the sake of competitive integrity when it comes to the matchmaker as if everyone is basically forced to play one hero cause of their new strength, when they inevitably fall off and another hero takes their place, everyone's ranks are gonna be incorrect for the new meta. If you have more stable metas where more things are viable at once, then you won't have that issue so much as people won't be forced to pick up completely different heroes.
@PatronHall
Жыл бұрын
"I'm not trading a dollar for four quarters." -- Jerry West. This is what campaign is, AT BEST. Take your favorite campaign ever but instead of an immersive play through, you're only allowed 3 missions every couple of months. Ghosts of Tsushima would suck under those circumstances. Charging 15 for that is absurd, ESPECIALLY when what we've seen of OW PVE archives has been extremely shallow gameplay.
@andrewkozlowski4839
Жыл бұрын
Blizzard becoming the new EA
@Tuilelen
Жыл бұрын
As someone others would probably call a "Mercy Main," I honestly don't mind if they nerf Mercy's damage boost or whatever. As long as she's still FUN to play, and they don't touch the aspects of her play mechanics that feel good and smooth, I'm happy. I don't need her to be a strong hero. I need her to be a FUN hero. As long as her GA still feels zippy and smooth, and she doesn't feel like a victim in a horror survival game, I'm happy.
@GraphiteBlimp27
Жыл бұрын
They nail it on why the hard countering ruins the game and needing a wholistic philosophy to balance. And how their approach to Mei/Cass were actually smart, make Mag nade more utility oriented and freeze require using icicle, but their approach was so flawed. Stun flash was something more dangerous to fight a Genji with and Rein could block it, two really good interactions, very 50/50. Mei freeze as Freedo points out is way better balanced if you can’t multifreeze as you can rotate players taking freeze one at a time, and it was also a noob trap mechanic that won’t bother you once you were half decent at the game. We can go back to that… we just have to balance the game is a wholistic way around that, so those heroes with CC are fair and have exploitable weaknesses.
@zc8673
Жыл бұрын
I agree with all the points made about counterpicking vs hero's fantasy. I'm curious though, how could we possibly fix this? The only solution I see would be to make all heroes more homogeneous for less counterpick potential, which destroys the hero's fantasy. Ironically, people complained about the homogenization of both Mei and Cassidy at the beginning of OW2 because they both lost unique parts of their kit for pure damage. But now that their unique traits have returned in some form, people are complaining about the lack of damage and additional CC. I just think its impossible to find a state of balance for the game where either counterpicking isn't an issue to some degree, or OW becomes knockoff Valorant. Particularly when it comes to the tank role, as there's only one in 5v5. On the point of Cass nade, it's crazy to me that it cancels movement abilities like rein charge or JQ ult after they've been cast. Imo it should prevent you from casting movement abilities, but only slow you if you've already cast it.
@davidrich27
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, if they removed the interrupt and made the range closer to old flashbang, I don’t think the ability would be that bad. The idea should be just to replace OW1 with a softer version of the flashbang (Idc what Freedo says, soft and hard CC are real concepts, not sure what his whole “made up” rant was about)
@fuscello
Жыл бұрын
First of all remove the 25% ultimate charge you keep for switching, then do something about all the cc the game has that work fine on everyone except tanks. Hack should last less, brig stun should last less, these 2 slow effects that were added should be less effective against tanks, discord should increase less damage, nade should last less. If you do all of this maybe you will get the tank fanbase back into the game Oh and suzu should definitely not cleanse status effects and cc like shatter or jq ult (you can nerf them accordingly obviously)
@alfred9805
Жыл бұрын
38:28 correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I remember team 4 was more or less insulated by the office issues at blizzard, Jesse Mcree and co were working on Diablo 4 at the time. At the time I had the impression that Jeff did a good job at protecting his team
@alfredoperez9017
Жыл бұрын
Not re adding LFG when they add a Competitive team queue pretty much killed the format before it even began .
@Dmanbradley
Жыл бұрын
*How do you monetize the PvE?* Make all the Heroe missions playable with 4-5 characters for free and have 5 more you can pay to unlock. As the dev team finishes talent trees, they add new characters to the PvE mode for purchase (1-2 per season or stagger with PvP character releases). If they were really doing 50 talents per character with polish, they could justify charging like $15 per character and/or tie it to the battlepass with a similar bundle. With just the current roster, that's up to $555 dollars per customer that will get spread out over time. The people that love PvE will being buying both skins and characters, the people that love the PvP will be buying skins and battlepasses, and the people that love both will be spending $25+ per season. Plus, they wouldn't have to expand the team and finish all 37 talent trees to get something out the door by season 6. They already showed trees for 3 characters (Tracer, Reinhardt, and 76) back in 2019, so it should have been very doable.
@AffectiousUwU
Жыл бұрын
Think about this right if your going to buy the bp anyways what is 5$ really for 3 missions
@DjNaste
Жыл бұрын
Think about this right: if you weren't going to buy the battle pass anyways, the Story Missions are $15
@b23beatz
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@b23beatz
Жыл бұрын
@@DjNasteou still get 1000 currency which you can use at any point in the future if 15$ is a lot to you you should probably sell your 500+$ (minimum) PC
@johnnypt14
Жыл бұрын
@@b23beatz weird comparison. A pc is a great long term investment and incredible value. "If you think a dog is a lot of work you should get rid of your kid"
@reddragooner
Жыл бұрын
the falloff on the range is 10 extra meters, 20% increase
@TheSquishy88
Жыл бұрын
I think that if all the content creators are saying that overwatch is dead and a horrible game then it can certainly contribute to it having a negative reputation, but if that's how they feel then you can't ask them to just not voice their opinion.
@MrCurlyFriess
Жыл бұрын
Flats nailed it on the head. I will not buy this, but I will watch all my favorite content creators play it and give them the ad revenue
@undyne6280
Жыл бұрын
9:40 Somehow. My bf is still hopeful, yet he’s been here since Beta of OW1. I think it’s more long term denial over his favorite game tho :(
@KKJazz
Жыл бұрын
Freedo going off about how Starwatch is PvE was amazing 😂
@fuscello
Жыл бұрын
Playing tank is miserable, with queen getting nerfed I genuinely don’t want to go back to switching every 5 seconds and with zen, ana and kiriko existing and with cc getting buffed, I don’t think I will play a single game of tank this season; there is always a first time
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