What's annoying is we never have the "respect the dead" standard for any other player but Kobe. Wilt averaged 50 in a season but dudes are still scrutinizing his game and the era he played in to keep him out of the top 10.
@michaelmayers3622
6 ай бұрын
No they not stop it
@herbertdaniel4422
6 ай бұрын
@@michaelmayers3622 Bro people do it all the time. Bill Russell has 11 rings and people STILL scrutinize him because of the era he played in, the points he averaged relative to the era, etc. Kobe is the only one who can't be criticized because he passed.
@eghoseisiramen1892
6 ай бұрын
@@michaelmayers3622 me when make shit up
@julianclark2904
6 ай бұрын
yeah because Kobe died relatively recently and at a young age.
@dat_black_gui1745
6 ай бұрын
@@herbertdaniel4422to make it worse, Russell literally died last year and people still get disrespectful and ignore his passing
@wrought-ironheroEMIYA
6 ай бұрын
So is it somehow illegal to criticize a players game just because they passed? Bro is TWEAKIN☠️
@BT405
6 ай бұрын
bet he has absolutely zero issue trashin on someone like bill russell or wilt lmao i don't think i've ever heard anyone make a single intelligent point on gil's show
@strawhatdom
6 ай бұрын
“Kobe became the best when he passed mj on the scoring record”. By that logic, Kareem has been the best for 40 years and lebron by that standard is now the best of all time
@strawhatdom
6 ай бұрын
My glorious king is the goat though🙏
@DavisBanes
6 ай бұрын
But rebounds?
@ChroniclerOfJudah
6 ай бұрын
I knew it the moment he died all the emotional Kobe fans would die on this hill.
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
Players think kobe is better. They've always thought that. Don't like it? Too bad
@timmynguyen4758
6 ай бұрын
The issue with these goofballs is they can’t separate the favorite and the goat… this whole convo Gil is correct but bro doesn’t know how to explain how to describe his argument
@royernyc4995
6 ай бұрын
Y’all need to stop including all the fans , we all ain’t doing this. Y’all so annoying lol
@deadlylightningspirit4295
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890the problem is a lot of people talk him up for mentality when that does actually mean anything. He’s a big name but that doesn’t make him a top 5 or even top 10 player. He’s probably top 10
@Mystra
6 ай бұрын
You sound very in your feelings posting that
@Nightmare-we8vm
6 ай бұрын
If you don't have a relevant case, you're out of the GOAT convo. If everyone unanimously has Jordan over Kobe, he doesn't have a case.
@GJG_3
5 ай бұрын
There's no goat "debate" among NBA players. Jordan is the best and Kobe's 2nd best. Then they usually have Kareem, Lebron or Shaq 3rd, 4th, and 5th. Now of course you opinion is different which is fine. But literally 90% of nba players rank MJ and Kobe then everyone else. And yes I got like 30-50 names to back it up. Some players do say Lebron but that number is minuscule. You'd have to spend an hour googling to find 10. If you really look at it, it's literally every 2 weeks a new players is coming out publicly stating Kobe is their goat or 2nd to MJ.
@footyroll8678
5 ай бұрын
dude u know nba players already voted for this right? kobe got like 1.5% votes. bron got 36%% jordan 60%. plus most importantly there really isnt a case to even have kobe top 5. these opinions mean nothing. jordan and bron dont need other players opinions their stats and accolades back it up. like i dont get u talking that people have to dig to find players aying brons the goat. bruh theres a ton. and theres actual arguemtns. kobe just doesnt@@GJG_3
@jaculadracula9485
5 ай бұрын
If you wanna use the sources as nba players, anonymous polls have shown that past and present nba players have LeBron over Kobe. LeBron just has too much on his resume to not be any lower than 2. Let’s put it this way, LeBron is closer to Jordan than anyone else all time
@Klegend1750
4 ай бұрын
@@jaculadracula9485Yh I agree aside from lebron and maybe Kareem nobody else is even close to Jordan
@ernestorodriguez7211
Ай бұрын
@@GJG_3nobody sane has kobe over LeBron
@Brooklyn94269
6 ай бұрын
A lot of these debates just come down style preference and these dudes need to just admit it. Once McCants said KD will go down as greater than Lebron , he is showing a clear bias for just the type of basketball he likes to watch rather than objectively viewing these players’ overall impact
@roscoeorginal
6 ай бұрын
When a debate comes down to preferences, it gets nasty and isn’t a great way to rank players on a consistent basis.
@Brooklyn94269
6 ай бұрын
@@roscoeorginal I agree, most of these Lebron vs kobe debates are really just underlying , style preference debates , moreso on Kobe fans side
@Dgotitmade
6 ай бұрын
@@Brooklyn94269when the style equatied to 5 chips then its warranted, if kd had kobe resume he’ll undoubtedly be a top 5 player to ever live
@AC2k14GOD
6 ай бұрын
@@Dgotitmade not the goat tho
@ChristianWelch-rq9rv
6 ай бұрын
This is it! This is the comment that explains it all! He like scorers
@Mrballerize
6 ай бұрын
The biggest problem with the Kobe discourse is that those who love him overrate him (goat/top 3 convo), and those that hate him underrate him (not even top 10 convo).
@Bryan-ib3jo
6 ай бұрын
So he 4-10, which is properly rated IMO.
@hellboy30098
6 ай бұрын
i RARELY hear Kobe outside top 8, and I think it gets overblown
@majora919
6 ай бұрын
theres a legit argument for him being like #11 all time so i dont think its hating
@deanoss777
6 ай бұрын
@@hellboy30098genuinely but i think it’s cause you see the top publications ranking him there a lot, fox sports type shit
@7Kibz
6 ай бұрын
I think kobe is top 8-12
@Nightmare-we8vm
6 ай бұрын
Gilbert's problem was trying to debate someone's opinion using facts and reasoning. This is why I dislike talking with eye test supporters. They only argue opinions and write off everyone else as blind or stat geeks.
@unphantom173
6 ай бұрын
I honestly don't care about who peoples goats are but it's funny certain fanbase gets angry when you differ from their opinion I usually just stop when it's not even about the sport anymore or they will put things that aren't relevant and try to string it together to make a point Those type of stuff are a major let down
@SalRubino82
Ай бұрын
The one angle he had was eye test and he still loses with that so what can he possibly be trying to say? I DONT THINK HE KNOWS
@elijahcarter489
6 ай бұрын
McCants takes make your brain smoother 😂
@SalRubino82
Ай бұрын
Bro he is such a moron I wish he could see himself making a fool and he would just stop.HE IS TRYING TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT BUT ANY ANGLE HE COMES FROM FAILES.Talent? T-Mac is as good as Kobe.Stats? We don’t use those.How he plays the game? Ok he mimicked Mike but he really isn’t even close to that either.So what do we have exactly??
@erv.7663
6 ай бұрын
McCants always gets emotional and takes things personal lol
@4ktkaram395
15 күн бұрын
Kobe not even top 10 all Time
@xXSonTJXx
6 ай бұрын
Rashad moves the goal post whenever its convenient and too damn emotional lol
@matt7mjcify
6 ай бұрын
I ain't gonna lie I think the whole you can't discuss someone I like or my loved one after they passed is such a weird thing. I definitely see it in the black community alot nowadays, and as a black man it feels odd. Especially if the person is a public figure, no one is above any positive or negative discussion in life or in death. That's just the reality of if.
@roscoeorginal
6 ай бұрын
It’s very unfortunate when we want to have discussions about a players career or a person’s legacy, and there’s flaws or mistakes in that time and we just can’t talk about it or even just won’t talk about it. Especially for basketball conversations, we need to talk about the ups and downs of a players career and it’s going to happen. I think it gets nasty when we’re just blatantly ignoring things that actually happened. There’s a difference between Greatest player of all time and just your favorite player, there should be a distinction.
@darnellwilliams8783
6 ай бұрын
@matt7mjcify you ain't black hush ot yall hated Kobe Bryant when he was living
@reese5545
6 ай бұрын
Unlike other sports the basketball and American football discussion is controlled by black media. And what does black discourse value more than actual facts? It values narrative because black discourse doesn’t value actually making educated points. Black discourse is built completely around sensationalism, it’s built on narrative and creating images in your head and not actually looking at performance that can be quantified. It’s the reason why Gil can contradict himself when he says Kobe is the best player he seen, but LeBron is better because of his production. Like bro pick one and stand on it. You’d look like less of an idiot choosing the facts but if you’re more of an eye test person ( just another way for idiots to say they value narrative over reality ) then just stick to that. It used to simply be if you were the more productive player you were better the same way it is at a job in a corporate office. Now it’s well… can you hit a step back three from half court, can you hit a 17 foot shimmy post fade in the clutch, or can you make a throw into perfect coverage with a turnstile offensive line allowing the rush through at the snap. It’s honestly a trash discussion that’s not even worth engaging in anymore.
@Addisonrae-fh3si
6 ай бұрын
@@reese5545 i agree
@BLee09
6 ай бұрын
The problem is what McCants said himself. It's personal for him, and if any topic of basketball is personal, then there's no point in talking basketball with them.
@anthonycelestin3559
6 ай бұрын
Kobe is the most polarizing player of all time. No matter where you put Kobe all time, it was always problematic where people put him all time before & after his death. Kobe got the most narratives against him. The only thing I have against the Kobe narratives is that fans don’t keep that same energy with other all time greats when they fall into the same narratives Kobe falls into
@konorkaotic9657
6 ай бұрын
The hellish split of “he’s top 2 come on guys!!!!” And “is he even top ten tho” is fucking gold to me
@anthonycelestin3559
6 ай бұрын
@@konorkaotic9657 The double standards is the thing that I hate the most when it comes to Kobe. Kobe won chips as the second best player playing with Shaq but Kareem doesn’t get maligned for playing wit Magic which Magic was arguably the best player for majority of those 80s Lakers chips. Kobe gets maligned for his efficiency but Bill Russell doesn’t get any criticism for his same 44% field goal & it’s worst for Russell cause Russell took majority of his shots in the paint compared to Kobe who shot a lot more outside jumpers. Kobe gets maligned for his playoff performances and his clutchnsss even though Kobe maintained his playoff scoring similarly to his regular season & their was no dropoff but someone like Wilt gets no criticism for his playoff drops. Wilt averaged 30 in the regular season & averaged 22 in the playoffs which is an 8 point dropoff but u don’t hear a peep about Wilt being a playoff choker. It doesn’t matter where u put Kobe all time but I don’t like the grandstanding of Kobe’s legacy where he’s used as a measuring stick or scapegoat of a player wit a lot of flaws in his game & resume as a way to knock him down a peg in the all time list when other players got the same flaws or worst flaws & they don’t get the same evaluation. If u really want to examine where Kobe stands all time, use the same evaluation for other all time greats like u do Kobe, don’t do the selective polticin of where u pick every single flaw Kobe got but don’t do it wit other players
@anthonycelestin3559
6 ай бұрын
@@konorkaotic9657 Why can’t people respect where Kobe is all time? If people think Kobe is top 3, top 2 or even the GOAT, then what’s the big deal? I don’t have Kobe as the GOAT but I’ll say there’s things Kobe done that MJ & Lebron never did. MJ & Lebron never beat the amount of 50 win teams Kobe did in the playoffs, never scored 81, never outscored a team like Kobe did vs the Mavs in 06 scoring 62 & the Mavs scoring 61 at the end of the 3rd, never had 7 gamewinning shots in a season like Kobe did in 2010, never had 600+ points in 3 consecutive playoff seasons from 08-2010, never was the youngest all star & all star starter being 19 years old in 1998 and never was the youngest All NBA defender at 21 years old in 2000. Kobe has done stuff other all time greats haven’t done but people think it’s outrageous for Kobe to be high on people’s all time list, it makes no sense to me
@konorkaotic9657
6 ай бұрын
@@anthonycelestin3559 I ain’t rly say nothing like that, I just think the disparity is hilarious bc most players are a lot more consistent on lists. I usually think he’s 4th or 5th since my opinion switches between him or Timmy a lot
@anthonycelestin3559
6 ай бұрын
@@konorkaotic9657 I respect that. The thing I notice is not just the fluctuating aspect of where people put Kobe all time but using him as a measuring stick. Like I’m hearing stuff like “Is Curry over Kobe,” like damn why can’t Curry be over Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, etc, why Kobe got to be the name to use. Use every all time great name, don’t just use Kobe is my issue wit this whole dilemma of where Kobe stands all time
@deanoss777
6 ай бұрын
mccants is doing some insane meat riding 😭😭
@Qyshawn
6 ай бұрын
Anybody with a functioning mind should know it's MJ & LBJ, then opinions
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
Nah I disagree
@Qyshawn
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890 I said what I said
@RavensFan
6 ай бұрын
Mj & Kareem. So I disagree in my opinion its Mj Kareem as 1 and 2 then Kobe Bron then magic as the top 5 and im a kobe guy. You gave your opinion but then you say anybody with a functional brain should know 😅 so your emplying anyone with a diffrent opinion then yours brain isn't properly functioning . You dont have to insult those who have a diffrent opinion. You are what people call as the toxic fan
@Qyshawn
6 ай бұрын
@@RavensFan ... it's a factual statement. Kareem, at one point, was the goat, but the debate is truly Lebron vs. MJ. It had been for ever. You can believe they aren't but its just factually wrong when it comes to legit conversations
@Coldass
6 ай бұрын
Lol, Mr failed superteam is not better than kobe.
@dame0735
6 ай бұрын
not a bron fan, actually hated bro up until a few years ago when i really started understanding the sport. but there’s no world where Kobe is better than BRON nor JORDAN. rip to kobe, but back in 2016/2017 after his retirement, nobody said he was the greatest unless you were a diehard kobe fan. after he died he just got a different level of glaze
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
Lol lebron disagrees with you. Admitted kobe was better than him in 09
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
It's not that kobes not in the GOAT convo. It's that lebron undeservedly leapfrogged kareem, Bill, Tim, kobe. Mind you, I'm putting lebron over guys like magic, bird and shaq. People gassed kobe up the same way before he got injured and retired.....Lebron is gonna get his legacy ripped apart the same way when he's not actually playing anymore
@Virgil191
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890wow he was greater than 24 year old lebron james
@Abbad1579
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890Kobe wasn’t close to brons level in 2009
@teal2913
6 ай бұрын
You just admitted you didn’t even start really understanding the sport of basketball until a few years ago yet you’re gonna try to tell us about where Kobe ranks when u just admitted you didn’t even understand what you were watching during Kobe’s era.
@JerichoTheCity
6 ай бұрын
The conversation around kobe is so annoying. Yes his death was a tragedy, but a lot of us gotta hop off his meat
@jojan715
6 ай бұрын
why can’t people actually think he’s the best 🤷🏽♂️
@Max-ys3xg
5 ай бұрын
Because he simply is not the best. Let's not talk about MJ who did everything better than Kobe and just focus on Lebron. Throughout his career in the regular season AND playoffs, Kobe avged less on ALL 5 statistical categories than Lebron on much much worse efficiency. Lebron's career player efficiency rating is 27.1 (2nd to MJ with more than 700 games played) while Kobe's is 22.1. The statement that Kobe is better than Lebron and MJ is just simply not true. @@jojan715
@RanMaru144
4 ай бұрын
@@jojan715because they get mad when everyone else has Lebron
@bryantnojang709
6 ай бұрын
Im the biggest kobe fan but man, bro was getting nasty personal for no reason
@ThaRealElementX
6 ай бұрын
Our problem is putting people in conversations that they dont belong and forgetting about failures and expectations that they had that didnt pan out. We actually overrate playing rather than using the time you have to play for something and underrate the decisions that players used to gain and advantage and still lost.
@DreamFactories
6 ай бұрын
Rashad is an emotional guy. This is just par for the course.
@lxxy2612
6 ай бұрын
I got money Kobe and that guy weren’t even that close fr prolly just acquainted
@rojeliocastro9733
6 ай бұрын
Bro brought up Chris Brown in a Michael Jackson debate 😭
@bboywolf
6 ай бұрын
The same way Jordan clears LeBron, LeBron clears Kobe lol
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
When did lebron surpass kobes championship count.....are yall counting that in season tournament 😂😂
@Abbad1579
6 ай бұрын
@@manz7860That isn’t relevant to the discussion
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
@@Abbad1579 lebron doesn't have as many championships as tim or kobe, despite playing longer. Not even gonna consider the team stacking. It's all very relevant
@DotCom-yg8mm
6 ай бұрын
@@manz7860was the 2002 wcf rigged? ..if so, does that chip deserve an asterisk?.
@MaNuELLiFes
6 ай бұрын
@@manz7860where’s Kobe mvps and finals mvp?
@g.fazo2x568
6 ай бұрын
Kobe being one of the best players was always a topic before. Ppl not just doing this because of death. If anything he’s more disrespected than he’s ever been in his career. The narratives ain’t the same when it comes to other players.
@Abbad1579
6 ай бұрын
Disrespected how?
@Dgotitmade
6 ай бұрын
wdym how? All of a sudden people sayin hes not even top 10 ? I never in my life heard duncan over kobe until he passed, and casuals say “yall didnt say he was this until he passed” the shit is ridiculous, hes top 5 all time and been that since 2010🤷🏾♂️
@g.fazo2x568
6 ай бұрын
@@Dgotitmade Exactly it became a trend to hate on him & these media narratives tarnish his legacy to boost other players. It’s really sad, I never see anything good when it comes to Kobe. 20 years of blood, sweat & tears just for ppl to start discrediting his career. Not tryna convince y’all to make him the goat but I think it’s a lil weird how he just got pushed out of these conversations. Just want respect on his name
@BC21beats
6 ай бұрын
@@Dgotitmadewtf no before he dude general public didn't even like him. Kobe ball hog kobe rapist etc. Yall some little kids
@Max-ys3xg
5 ай бұрын
I never heard anyone outside of NBA twitter who said Kobe was top 5 all time before his passing and all of a sudden after his death, he just magically becomes the greatest player ever.@@Dgotitmade
@crablord7934
6 ай бұрын
The funniest part of Stephen A's segment is that little text box under McCants showing his 10 ppg 2rpg statline lmfaoooooo mf sneak dissing.
@user-ru9ms6hy3f
6 ай бұрын
And for anybody that agrees with Rashad McCants, keep in mind that this is the same guy that said Gregg Popovich is a bad coach...... let that sink in......
@lucidstudious750
6 ай бұрын
My issue with Stephen A, is discrediting Kobe for having shaq then immediately having Magic as the goat pg and top 5 player when he had a 6x mvp, top 3 player all time and the goat at the time Also before yall come on some "kareem was washed" no, for 3/5 rings he was a major piece and contributing a lot. Also the team outside of magic and kareem was better built then the shaq lakers were in the 2000s so that doesnt work either 😂😂
@Xantanaway
6 ай бұрын
Mccants is one person that just doesn’t need a platform to speak his mind cause everytime I see him he be chatting nonsense
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
What was the nonsense that he chatted
@crablord7934
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890 you heard him say Kobe passed Mike all time when he beat him on the scoring list right? Ya'll need to up your Yapanese detectors lmfao 💀
@Addisonrae-fh3si
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890a mccants sympathizer. never thought i’d see the day
@ThaLittleSpark
6 ай бұрын
@crablord7934 that shii was crazy😂😂 and defeated his whole point because then Lebron surpassed Kobe when he passed him on the all time scoring list. It's like the dude wasn't even listening to the nonsense coming out of his mouth
@PrinceSlade22
5 ай бұрын
@@Addisonrae-fh3sino he hates LeBron look at that dudes other comments in this thread alone-
@wolf0o01
6 ай бұрын
Kobe is a top 5 player, but to me so is Magic, Tim Duncan, Kareem, maybe Shaq I just named 4 other players worthy of being in the top 5 list. I didn't bring up Michael or Lebron 'cause they are hands down 1 and 2. That's 5 other players deserving of the top 5 position there's just not enough room to fit all of them. Kobe for me barely in the top 5, but that's because I had to do research and a lot of be objective and even now some days he switches positions between 4, 5 & 6. But he will never be seen as better than LeBron or Jordan . He's only seen as the guy who carried the Jordan torch.
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
Hands down according to who. I just searched up damn near every elite player during that era and they all say kobe is better.
@RavensFan
6 ай бұрын
That's your opinion to say he will never be seen ahead of mj or lebron is wrong because alot of players and basketball fans put Kobe over Bron. I'm a kobe guy but I don't have him 2 I put Kareem 2 out of respect. 1Mj 2Kareem 3Kobe 4Bron 5Magic
@deadlylightningspirit4295
6 ай бұрын
@@RavensFanyour list is ass
@konorkaotic9657
6 ай бұрын
@@RavensFan MJ Bron Kareem Duncan Kobe imo, Magic nice but Duncan and Kobe nicer
@kaekae1782
6 ай бұрын
@@RavensFanmost ex-bball players, current, coaches, etc. have Lebron over Kobe atp. This fake internet narrative that most bball players or “real hoopers” have Kobe and only the media and casual have Lebron is just false lol. Theres countless players who say it’s MJ and Lebron at the top. Even dudes who have played against and with both players have Lebron over Kobe. Lebron’s biggest rivals have Bron over Kobe.
@TheJohnWick1
6 ай бұрын
Hes was on point, It's not disrespectful to say Lebron's better than Kobe. It's not disrespectful to say Kobe's better than Lebron. It's not disrespectful to say either is top 5 or both.
@user-tq4xe2rq6g
6 ай бұрын
Kobe over bron is reaching disrespectful boundaries😂
@AarionWalker
6 ай бұрын
@@user-tq4xe2rq6g cause now ur lying if u say Kobe better
@puncho8799
6 ай бұрын
I agree it all depends on what your criteria is and what you cherish the most when it comes to a basketball player
@Jay-lj4nv
6 ай бұрын
@@puncho8799 literally
@Sleepys._.
6 ай бұрын
Eye test stats legacy resume impact all say LeBron is better their is no metric that says Kobe is better than era and 1 more ring
@kamikon8498
6 ай бұрын
The fact GIL was right but since he said stats don’t matter everything he said was gonna get dismissed is nasty work
@danielbattle7620
6 ай бұрын
“That free throw right there made me the greatest all time “ -Kobe glazers
@TriedYan
6 ай бұрын
This had to be the most brain dead debate I done heard I hate myself for enduring it
@blackcurlmagicgrey-sloan8640
6 ай бұрын
He so emotional when it comes to LeBron and it makes me think he’s just trying to grab a piece of skips fan base because we all know the more verbal you are against LeBron you stand to get a lot of support
@yandhijpeg
6 ай бұрын
Mccants doesn’t have a cohort take to save his life. He only plays the I used to play in the nba card.
@host2498
6 ай бұрын
Props to Solz for being able to follow Rashads train of thought
@Maloman05
6 ай бұрын
This was a thought terminating video, loved it.
@Rip_JahCraft
6 ай бұрын
If u think about it like this: On a ruler, between the space inch 1 and inch 2, are 10 lines in between… x player is one of those lines jus squeezing in😂
@M1ghty888
6 ай бұрын
Fix your mic settings BSolz I dead ass can hear you breathing with no headphones 😂😂😂😂 Love the videos
@lakershomie08
6 ай бұрын
Here's why the majority of players respect Kobe more than fans. Rashad didn't know how to explain it well. The players respect the work he put into the gym to be in most people's minds the most complete offensive player ever. When you watched Kobe, he did things that players themselves were in awe of. LeBron is a physical anomaly that the majority of players can't relate to. It's the scoring bag vs athletic freak argument. Players can watch Kobe and want to emulate his moves, like Kobe did Jordan. You can't emulate a lot of the things that makes LeBron great.
@skywalker2676
6 ай бұрын
That’s facts. Most of us do not have the build of LeBron therefore his game isn’t pleasing to watch. Kobe has the build of almost a regular hooper and size
@BC21beats
6 ай бұрын
@@skywalker26766'6 with 6'8 wingspan lol but I get what u mean
@fyks669
6 ай бұрын
people learned to actually research basketball and not just go off vibes so people realised kobe isnt in goat convo
@Slicktheruler
6 ай бұрын
It’s weird how a lot of people go with fans and media’s opinions instead of players who have competed with them. half of these guys care about the opinions of their peers not fans or media. I’m gonna go with players always
@BC21beats
6 ай бұрын
@@Slicktherulernothing weird about it players don't know shit they're busy playing not researching whose better. They're opinions are based purely off feeling. Jordans ownership should show you that former players opinions don't mean shit
@Slicktheruler
6 ай бұрын
@@BC21beats agree to disagree
@footyroll8678
5 ай бұрын
nah wat he said is facts. jordan sahq ahs some of the worst basketball opinions. stats are facts@@Slicktheruler
@iseeitall5713
5 ай бұрын
26:41 MVP and Greatest are two much different debates
@idksrry3434
6 ай бұрын
I feel kobe. Got jordan 1 and bron 2, goat debate is who should be #1 overall, if you’re #3 n u cant do anything 2 get back 2 even number 2 whether u passed or retired or at the tailend of ur career, how are you in thr convo 2 get to #1? Dats not js 2 kobe, if u got kobe at 2 n fuckin duncan robinson #3 he’s not gone be able 2 jump kobe. The mvp is different cuz they all playing at the same time, so night in n night out they can do sum 2 help improve their case 2 take the #1 spot. Thats y ppl say bron can still catch jordan cuz he’s still playin n building his resume
@mugensharp
6 ай бұрын
The headassery is insane 💀
@everydaysolid3192
5 ай бұрын
Statistics can be added just not the end all be all of your argument cause If they gave a guy a 1 year contract and he shot 1 free throw shoots 1 3 pointer and made 1 dunk then his team won a championship his stats would be 100% all around with a ring cause in the end if he kept shooting his stats could’ve been 1/30 all around
@everydaysolid3192
5 ай бұрын
52:14 proves if Kobe almost got there to beating Jordan but didn’t but some guy that actually passes Kobe then he is on the same level if not better than Jordan cause as dom said doesn’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile in the end you either won or lost
@marcello46
6 ай бұрын
I agree with Gil on the “it’s only 1 and 2 in the real debate” Through history of individual sports ( and pretty much anything competitive) you can even see in in the mood of athletes after the game has ended Number 1 is always happy, number 2 is mad and felt like they are better than number 1 even in a loss, and 3 is always just happy to be there Number 3 usually knows they didn’t have a real shot when it’s all over but number 2 feels like they would’ve won if a few things went their way So in essence #1 and #2 are the ones who really compete and #3 onward still compete but it’s not as close
@ChrisJoestarr
6 ай бұрын
Basically by their logic to be the goat u need to have the playstyle of MJ or Kobe if not ur shit, Bron, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph, worthless, they don’t want to use stats or accolades their resume is basically non important, base on pure talent I love Kobe but he’s not more naturally gifted than MJ or Bron if that’s the argument, u can say he’s the hardest worker ever I’ll give u that, he did the most with less in terms of his body.
@BC21beats
6 ай бұрын
They doing it with giannis right now
@bbcpfghs
6 ай бұрын
A lot like his NBA career, McCants has no consistency whatsoever when making arguments…he’s the definition of using emotions over logic
@RicardoGonzalez-bn5uu
5 ай бұрын
McCants D riding like no other. People can easily say that Kobe didn’t pass Duncan in terms of career…you have to be able to discuss all players based on the game…no exceptions
@ojoj5194
6 ай бұрын
From monte carlo here my best nba players : Bobby Sura, kemp, kobe, iverson, sprewell, Eddy jones, rasheed wallace, A. mcdyese, penny, hill, rodman, pippen, mj, kd, bron, shaq, timmy, kg, k.mart, camby, the dream, malone, miller, vc and Ewing. i dont have nr:1
@arlonavant2250
6 ай бұрын
On rashads point about it being skillset or resume. Shouldnt it be a mix of both. Kyrie is arguably the most skilled ever but hes no where near the goat debate cuz he doesnt have the resume. But a hall of famer like moses malone is far from the goat debate cuz he has a good resume but not the skillset to back it up. I feel its a combo of both but that might just be me🤷🏾♂️
@jadeynlovely827
6 ай бұрын
Ppl flag down kobe bc he played with shaq but when magic had Kareem there’s no noise . Magic has never won without Kareem and Kobe went b2b without shaq. The disrespect is crazy
@Addisonrae-fh3si
6 ай бұрын
Because NBA fans are the biggest users of double standards and are shameless about it. Another example is how both Kobe and Magic were drafted in their blessed situations yet someone like bron is slandered for leaving even though he was drafted to a team that historically was fodder and just came off a horrendous szn while the other 2 had playoff berths from the lakers. Don’t forget Magic and Kareem got Worthy as well w another 1st pick after a finals run.
@lukakaps9548
4 ай бұрын
I think this "you can't disrespect kobe, he's a dead man" thing is a huge disservice to Kobe. The dude deserves the upmost respect und truly was great, but not because he's dead, because of what he did and who he was.
@Dyce2k
6 ай бұрын
Best player does not equal greatest player
@HunterJs2
6 ай бұрын
I think the biggest issue is, why do people give so much of a fuck? Basketball has had such a diverse history of players, positions, sizes, shapes, legacies, how about we just love the players? At the end of the day it’s a sport and to quantify the best is absolutely subjective.
@Max-ys3xg
5 ай бұрын
The Lebron vs Kobe debate is absolutely not subjective. You have to realize we literally watched Kobe play against Lebron. This isn't a Lebron vs Jordan debate or a Lebron vs Kareem debate where we hypothesize everything and have nothing really substantial to back up our arguments. In career head-to-head games Lebron is 16-6 all-time vs Kobe. Lebron was 8-5 against Kobe BEFORE he joined the Heat and 2 of those losses came during his rookie season in 2003-2004 where Kobe still had a Prime Shaq and 18-year-old Lebron had Drew Gooden and Boobie Gibson. Lets next look at individual performance and not team success. Shocker, Lebron dominates here as well. In the 22 head-to-head games played against each other: Lebron averaged 28.2 pts, 7.4 rebounds, 7.3 assists, 1.9 steals, and 0.7 blocks on 54.4% TS in 22 games. Kobe averaged 24.6 ppg, 5 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.1 steals, and 0.2 blocks on 52.6% TS in 22 games. Lebron literally had better stats than Kobe in EVERY SINGLE STATISTICAL CATEGORY ON BETTER EFFICIENCY. Next we go to career accomplishments: Lebron 4 MVP - Kobe 1 MVP Lebron 4 FMVP - Kobe 2 FMVP Lebron 20x All Star (and still playing at an elite level) - Kobe 18x All Star Lebron 19x All NBA - Kobe 15x All NBA Lebron 1x Scoring Champ - Kobe 2x Scoring Champ (crazy how he only has 1 more scoring title than Lebron despite being a "much better scorer" Lebron 6x All Defense (2x DPOY runner up) - Kobe 12x All Defensive (1x 3rd place finish) Lebron 1x Assist Champ - Kobe 0x Assist Champ Lebron 5x playoff game winners - Kobe 1x playoff game winners Lebron has 29 games in the playoffs with 40+ points - Kobe has 13 Lebron career avg 27.1/7.5/7.3 - Kobe career avg 25.0/5.2/4.7. Lebron playoff avg 28.5/9.0/7.2 in 282 games - Kobe playoff avg 25.6/5.1/4.7 in 220 games. Lebron in elimination games averages 34/11/8 on 50% FG - Kobe in elimination games averages only 22/6/4 on 40% FG (a whole 12 points less on an astounding 10% FG decrease) Lebron career efficency 27.1 PER (2nd only to MJ w/more than 700 games played) - Kobe career efficiency 22.9 PER. In conclusion, while Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron, Lebron still averages more points than him throughout his career in the regular season AND postseason. Lebron is a much better rebounder, facilitator, and passer compared to Kobe. While Kobe has double Lebron's All-Defensive teams, I'd still take peak Lebron's defense over peak Kobe's defense (2x DPOY runner up to 1x 3rd place finish). Lebron is the more versatile player, can play any position, and plays the game textbook perfect. I don't see a SINGULAR argument for Kobe over Lebron since Lebron has put up much better numbers than Kobe in every major statistical category (pts/reb/ass/steals/blocks) in BOTH the playoffs and the regular season on MUCH MUCH better efficiency. That's the literal definition of a "better player".
@Therealkingk909
6 ай бұрын
I feel like peoples problem was more the way he tried to invalidate his legacy after his passing a lot of people feel the media really tries to push that narrative to raise Lebron. One of Steven A’s biggest knocks against Kobe was that he played with Shaq another superstar and they earned their first 3 rings together. And if no one is there to defend Kobe because he’s gone it’s easy for people that don’t know ball to walk away from that monologue thinking “that’s a good point ig Kobe couldn’t do it solo” vs if you have someone there pushing back the argument falls apart. If we’re invalidating rings because your playing with other all stars, i have bad news for Lebron fans because he had to run to join with D wade and Bosh just to try to beat the man in question because he was dominating the league. Lebron is literally known as LeGM for the way he selects other stars to play with. If we’re invalidating rings if you play with other stars sure Kobe loses 3 of 5 rings but bron loses all of them by that same logic So to invalidate someone who looks for stars to win rings with to elevate someone who genuinely wanted to prove they can do alone I’m sorry but the logic doesn’t hold up it feels like you want to push a narrative so you look for arguments to back it up
@Therealkingk909
6 ай бұрын
D wade is a finals MVP, 13x NBA all star, all star game MVP, 2x all NBA first team, 3x all nba second team, 3x all NBA third team, 3x all defensive second team and a nba scoring champion. Chris Bosh is an 11 time all star, all nba second team. Kyrie is a 8 time NBA all star, all star game MVP Love is a 5x NBA all star I’m not even going to get into the bubble championship because we all know that was Mickey but he still had AD, Dwight Howard and Rondo If Kobe gets invalidated because of shaq you also gotta invalidate Captain America over here who has to assemble the avengers every time it’s time to win a ring. We’re just Saying keep the same criteria. There’s a lot of arguments to say that Lebron is better. But that one wasn’t it shit made no sense
@greedisbad9890
6 ай бұрын
Thats CTE talking man 😂
@user-xs2gd6zw7r
6 ай бұрын
Why would lebron need to move like Kobe if he can get his pts in an easier way
@ASG_lenn
6 ай бұрын
The goat convo is the top 3 convo and he'll nooo is kobe top 3. He is in the 5-10 range.
@drebeck7897
6 ай бұрын
Why isn’t Tim Duncan talked about like this
@That1tree05
3 ай бұрын
Because he wasn’t interesting enough as a personality
@aurekogaming6600
6 ай бұрын
I got Kobe 6th all time on my list, and it’s insane how much pushback I get from both fanatics that claim that’s too low and haters that say he’s not even top 10. Seems like nobody cares about the body of work, just how they feel about the guy…
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
The problem comes when you rank lebron higher.
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
I got him #4 but I understand the battle after #3 is up for a lot of players Mj Kareem Bill Russell KOBE
@aurekogaming6600
6 ай бұрын
@manz7860 and that’s fine. Your list is different than mine but if you can make an argument for all of these guys and where you have them then at least I can see where you’re coming from regardless of if I agree or not. Most people just do it purely on emotion and how they felt about a player rather than basing it on statistics and measurable accomplishments. I got MJ, Lebron, Kareem, Magic, and Duncan, in that order, ahead of Kobe for me.
@aurekogaming6600
6 ай бұрын
@dominiquebrown2890 for a lot of people it does, but that goes back to what I said about people getting too emotional instead of basing their opinions on measurable data, which makes more sense, when it comes to how good a player was and what he achieved.
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
@@aurekogaming6600 lebron has less accolades and more playing time in the league. So i can't put him over Kareem. Never saw magic win without kareem. Can't put him over kobe or shaq. Saw kobe build multiple back to back championship runs under Timmy's nose, so I can't put him above kobe. Also a dunk highlight reel on Tim Duncan is crazy. It just feels wrong to put Tim over kobe when Tim never defended any of his titles. They were all one and done.
@JuwanJordan-dp5wq
6 ай бұрын
It's hilarious how delusional this 4 year non starter talks about basketball he's in love with Kobe forreal
@erv.7663
6 ай бұрын
McCants sped up kinda sound like 🐸TV
@bigbossdaniel5170
6 ай бұрын
The Stephan A shit is wild😭
@anthonyclark8317
6 ай бұрын
Kobe probably ain’t even know who tf Rashad Mccants is
@ThaBiggestJax
6 ай бұрын
I watched it live and I’m ngl Rashaad cooked off the fact he Shaq & even Gil had Mike and Kobe as 1&2 that’s always been the conversation since 2007… The criteria was “rings” and how the player got them to give them positioning in the All Time ranks. Bron broke the whole system…. Due too his longevity the stats follow after… The goat debate is a contradicting conversation and K mart was right about how to look at who the best is
@marquisetownes963
6 ай бұрын
I don’t think Mccants had no relationship with Kobe. Idk what bro chattin bout
@Jay-lj4nv
6 ай бұрын
you're literally chattin rn you started the statement with "i dont think" why you speaking on something you not 100% sure on ? you must've been raised by all women
@edwuano7
6 ай бұрын
i dont understand why they get so worked up about the media and non-players opinions. they work so hard to discredit them and at the end of the day, if their argument that you dont agree with is so invalid, why respond? apparently they're too dumb to understand what you went through because they didnt guard someone for 44 minutes. 🙄
@SleepyGrapes
6 ай бұрын
Bro nobody in my life has ever brought up the Denver when we’re talking about basketball all time lists these dudes be making up narratives to get mad at or see one or two bots online and assume that’s what everyone thinks
@FeezoGeorgeGervin
6 ай бұрын
bro wit da crown used to smoke crack ain nobody listening to dude fr
@pamoon_
6 ай бұрын
I have Kobe 4th and I will continue to post this and why 1. Best guard 2. Best center 3. Best forward 4. Kobe And no, Kobe is not better than Jordan. We don’t get a Kobe without Jordan.
@Highspirekid13
6 ай бұрын
As a UNC fan Rashad got bodied.
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
Stephen, a smith's shaq argument is easily dismantled
@Highspirekid13
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890 ok and I agree doesn’t mean Rashad didn’t get bodied by everyone lol even Stephen A for the other reasons. Cause Kobe in my goat scenario is 3rd but I always understand him having to be in the conversation I just think Rashad played himself and everyone else made him look bad
@puncho8799
6 ай бұрын
@@Highspirekid13 McCant made his point if you ask most NBA players they’re going to have Jordan, Kobe, then LeBron, and Gilbert, explained why
@michaelmayers3622
6 ай бұрын
If its skill i guess melo in the goat convo
@austingraham862
6 ай бұрын
how does gilbert arenas, a former player and someone who currently makes a living talking to nba players, not know that kareem was THAT guy b4 mj and was fs widely considered the goat.
@Frozenfrog18
6 ай бұрын
Did rashad also said that Pop is a bad coach only because he is losing.
@antant908
6 ай бұрын
I’m a huge Kobe fan and Laker loyalist But Bron is more athletic and game is way way more complete player and he plays 1-5 Kobe can maybe maybe maybe and again maybe the 4 if we play XXXXSmall ball
@GremlinZ420
6 ай бұрын
Lmao I thought I was the only one with the sectional goat thing, cool as fuck K-Mart does it too! Kobe is my personal goat when people ask, but really I think it changes for every 15 or so years
@jojan715
6 ай бұрын
that’s how it should be 💯
@dafyyyyyy
6 ай бұрын
Im sorry but you dont move rankings just because a person died. What he was ranked before hebdied hes still at that ranking.
@NapoleonSoares
6 ай бұрын
stephen A didnt have to have this strong of opinion when kobe was here because people werent pretending like he was an untouchable basketball player
@alex-juniordraman4550
6 ай бұрын
The nerve of this man of this man is insane.
@veljkoradovic7162
6 ай бұрын
My problem with this is that people,in this case players and fans, don't know simple rules of debate. You learn that in school when you are 15(I mean depends on education system,but whatever). So basically if you are having a debate,you need to use simple facts that are true and unbiased in order to protect your statement. In this situation it is GOAT debate. So you need to bring stats like points,assist ,rebounds, championships, MVPs ,DPOYs and OFC using context. You can't bring up your personal connection for that player. Because person A more likes players that are in post like Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem,Kareem and person B more likes players that are on perimeter players like Kobe, Mike, Curry...But you can't bring that into a debate. Everybody has their personal opinions. In my honest opinion,I think Duncan was better 2000s than Kobe. Kobe maybe overtook him in late 2000s,but you can't tell me that Duncan doesn't have a case(example 2003 carryjob which Kobe doesn't have at all). And ofc Gil and shooting guards,point guards,even small forwards will tell you that Kobe was the best they saw. Because they guarded him. But they didn't guard Duncan. Just like today. Adebayo said that Jokic is the hardest player he ever guarded. But on the other hand Holiday said that it is Thomas, Curry, SGA...So my point is that „argument" is personal and subjective and shouldn't be used in this debates. But people aren't educated enough and think that just because they are famous that they are right. I hope that at least someone read everything.
@Crippledsasquash
6 ай бұрын
If Steven A put Kobe number 2 laker of all time behind magic then he can’t be in Steven A top 3 as he’s put magic above him automatically so how far down does he think Kobe sits ?
@C6LD
6 ай бұрын
McCants is peak blabbering. If you can’t state Kobe’s goat case, he shouldn’t be in the convo. We don’t gaf bout those narratives.
@alexsmith3598
6 ай бұрын
"Media don't know ball, they just look at stats." "Kobe better because he passed him up in scoring stats."
@dime1012
6 ай бұрын
Kobe is top 3. Pretty simple. To say he’s not top 5 is borderline disrespectful
@Abbad1579
6 ай бұрын
You’re delusional
@AntwainGandy-Benavides
6 ай бұрын
SAS did say after Kobe’s death that he would no longer rank Kobe lebron and Mike before
@michaelmayers3622
6 ай бұрын
It's not ranking he still have lebron after mj
@skywalker2676
6 ай бұрын
He said Lebron was the second best player of all time way back in 2016
@BC21beats
6 ай бұрын
Nobody ever had kobe 2nd before he died where is this all coming from. Go watch the tapes of old sports cast and old sports illustrated magazines
@Tanmanhologram
6 ай бұрын
My top 2 are MJ and Lebron but most Kobe criticisms have more to do with him playing in the deadball era than how good he actually was
@noemamba9590
5 ай бұрын
I don’t mind Kobe not being top 3 or having Bron over him but having Steph over him already is where I draw the line maybe if he wins another and a finals mvp. But already? Thats when you know you started watching in 2015
@CelticsIn5
6 ай бұрын
Why was bro talking at mach 10
@devynrobinson9761
6 ай бұрын
Aye solz please read my comment but you contradicted yourself in this video you said you disagree with Gil saying if you’re not top 2 it doesn’t matter, but then you said it yourself if it’s split 40mj,30lebron, and then 10,10, and 10 you’re not in the debate at that point
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
Lol oops
@BSOLZ_
6 ай бұрын
No I didn’t. Because if the race is 30/30/30/10, or 25/25/25/25 then its a legitimate 3 man race But if it’s 40/40/10/10, that’s really a 2 man race
@devynrobinson9761
6 ай бұрын
@@BSOLZ_ that’s what I’m saying you said that in your video bro it was 40,30, then the rest were 10’s I’ll timestamp it for you brother 37:26
@MindfulAttraction2.0
6 ай бұрын
When I was watching Kobe don't get me wrong. I love his game, but I never felt the fear I felt against LeBron. And I hate LeBron but Kobe sometimes just has some really off games. He was a little inconsistent. LeBron that dude was consistent and that dude was frustrating to root against. So as somebody who rooted against both guys, the one that frustrated me the most was the problem. Kobe was great but I just felt like people got enamored with his beautiful game
@dominiquebrown2890
6 ай бұрын
You never felt the fear of kobe because, like you said, you were watching. But for those actually playing kobe was feared more than lebron. Its like me watching a nuclear bomb go off on my phone and saying im not scared.
@anthonycelestin3559
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890There’s a lack of understanding of Kobe’s game from the fans compared to the players who played against him. Kobe took a lot of tough shots, so when u take a lot of tough shots your going to miss a lot more shots and when the fans see this it doesn’t seem like the fans are fearing what Kobe is doing cause it doesn’t look unstoppable due to the missed shots. But from the players who played against Kobe, they didn’t view Kobe as a bad shooter & they didn’t sagged off of him, so it was hard to guard Kobe due to his shot making ability no matter if he missed or not. The players knew they had to be on their Ps & Qs when guarding Kobe cause he was relentless, had stamina and had a bunch of moves & counters in his arsenal. And Kobe wasn’t just getting layups or stepback 3s like todays NBA players, Kobe was more unpredictable wit his moves which made him harder to guard. Players view Lebron the same way as Giannis even though Lebron is more skilled & a better shooter than Giannis. But Lebron is more of a slasher than Kobe & relied more on his athleticism compared to Kobe. Even though players fear Lebron’s ability to get downhill, they feel they can contain Lebron easier by matching him physically by being physical with him & relying on team defense like zones, helpside D and building walls. Also the defense don’t have that same fear of Lebron shooting an outside jumper compared to Kobe. For the fans, they think Lebron is more unstoppable than Kobe due to the easier shots Lebron gets & how he easy Lebron is able to get to the rim. But for the players Kobe was someone they feared more due to his skill level & him being a superior shooter over Lebron
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
Say you're a fan of a poverty Eastern Conference team without saying.
@Ghost-rb6cw
6 ай бұрын
@@dominiquebrown2890 Kobe doesn't even shoot a higher percentage on go a head shots from 3 to tie or take the lead then lebron James lol, they literally had to bring the second best player in the NBA on a 73-9 roster to compete against a lebron lead team, what team did they built to beat Kobe? You're statement is objectively not true lol. 😂
@Jay-lj4nv
6 ай бұрын
i mean kobe was literally a shadow clone of mj if a majority of people have mj as #1 how tf kobe #3 ? when rashad said that he was kinda spittin though not gonna hold you
@ianvoltaire7099
6 ай бұрын
Because kobe is worse at everything jordan could do lol
@Jay-lj4nv
6 ай бұрын
@@ianvoltaire7099 i feel like they were literally on par with eachother mj even said himself one time in a interview prime for prime kobe is the only one that would be able to fuck with him cause he stole all his moves...... but you're entitled to your opinion though gang
@manz7860
6 ай бұрын
@@ianvoltaire7099kobe has the most 50 win teams defeated in the playoffs, and its not even particularly close. He consistently faced the hardest playoff opposition of any nba player EVER.....
@tyronedagoat
6 ай бұрын
Mcchants is a clown I think we can all agree with that
@Joshisbrown
6 ай бұрын
Kobe’s my favorite player ever but I don’t have him over lebron or MJ, I’m objective but he does get disrespected by the Gen z nba fan base but everybody is entitled to their opinion on him
@antoinehenderson1659
6 ай бұрын
This whole conversation would have been insufferable to listen to without you, BSOLZ.
@raidersprayer
6 ай бұрын
You misunderstood what he was saying about KD and Bron. Also what he was saying about KD and Bron was kinda inaccurate
@micahficek5913
6 ай бұрын
Jokic already has a better peak than kobe did, and is the better player
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