This show finally broke the video game adaptation curse.
@marezesim8119
11 ай бұрын
they never should have taken Ellie while Joel was unconscious and there was NO guarantee the cure would work.. all this time Ellie thought she was just giving blood
@TahoeNevada
11 ай бұрын
“Okay…” Best ending to a video game ever! My theory is that Ellie 100% knows Joel’s lying. Her response was, “Okay, this is what we’re pretending.” And the rest is left unsaid. *Roll credits*
@dansmart3182
11 ай бұрын
That is what Ashley Johnson said she meant. Like Ok I know you are lying, and here is where things change between us.
@STAXXX313
11 ай бұрын
I always looked at it as Ellie saying "okay" because she doesn't want to believe Joel but she has to. Due to her fear of being alone, she doesn't want to push away the only person she has been close to that hasn't died or left her.
@sproductionsinc
11 ай бұрын
@@dansmart3182 Oh yeah 100%. The dynamic between them by the end was so uncomfortable.
@TahoeNevada
11 ай бұрын
@@STAXXX313 That too!
@wendydarling5790
11 ай бұрын
@dansmart3182 Interesting. Bella Ramsey said that her Ellie was choosing to believe him, because the alternative was too unbearable.
@diannebdee
11 ай бұрын
If you're wondering how immunity was passed to Ellie, it was through the knife Anna used to stabby stab the runner. The cordyceps were on the blade that Anna then used to cut the umbilical. In the amount of time that passed from that time to when Marlene and the Fireflies arrived, the immunity had that time to travel down the umbilical into Ellie.. Add in the time it took for Marlene to get to the Boston QZ and there was that additional time. The cordyceps grow inside the brain, which is why they can take over the host and make them a puppet. In Ellie's case they were dormant, not growing. Here's the thing for me with this show. We're told in the opening scene in the very first episode by Dr. Neumann (John Hanna) there is no cure, no medicine, no vaccine. Thirty five years later when we're in Jakarta, Dr. Ibu Ratna says the exact same thing to the Jakartan army colonel there is no cure, no vaccine, no medicine. So here we are twenty years into the Apocalypse, and Marlene's Firefly doctor who has no equipment to test anything. no lab to speak of like the one both Neumann and Ratna would have had, but yet he can adequately operate on Ellie and expect to create this vaccine Marlene would likely have sold to the highest bidder. I do not think the doctor was able to do anything. I think it was all hypothetical he could "make" this vaccine. For me, Joel was right in what he did. He did what he couldn't do for Sarah. He saved his daughter this time. And that paternal bond he'd formed with Ellie was as solid as his was with Sarah. For me the lies he told Ellie were needed. We shouldn't lie to our kids, but on certain occasions we cannot help it. We lie when we tell them about The Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, etc. What Joel told Ellie was what he could live with given his connection to Ellie.
@jessetorres8738
11 ай бұрын
Trivia Notes: Ashley Johnson, who portrays Ellie in The Last Of Us video games portrays her mother Anna in the flashback of Ellie's birth. Also, 1 of the nurses is portrayed by Laura Bailey, who also portrayed a nurse in The Last Of Us game in The Firefly Lab Level, as well as another character in Part 2. Finally, the giraffe scene is close to the version of the scene from The Salt Lake City Level of the game, which ties back to how every Level in The Last Of Us had at least 1 giraffe referenced in it. & I'll end with a quote: "We're all the hero of our own story, but we either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain."
@celinel9750
11 ай бұрын
If some didn't like part 2 I LOVED it. I realy don't know how much close to the game they will be and how long to each chapter they follow or how much ''extra', they'll put in but I'm sure they'll keep the socio-tense-effect witch I won't tell you 🙂 The ending divided player, some were all for Joe other were for Marlene and save humanity. I love the fact that this game-show doesn't tell you what to think but leave you room to make your own idear about it. Now let's wait for part 2......
@TahoeNevada
11 ай бұрын
I really like Part II as well.
@dansken610
11 ай бұрын
The people who hate the second game is a vocal minority. It has been pretty much universally praised apart from some groups of online gamers
@TerryYelmene
11 ай бұрын
To answer your first question Anna, I distrusted David almost immediately...just as he questioned James' loyalty. Marlene explicitly indicates her promise to Anna is betrayed with the surgical procedure and Ellie won't be needing her knife (in other words, Marlene has decided that Ellie's life is going to be sacrificed for a potential cure - Ellie is going to die!). For me this TLOU Season 1 ending (identical to the first game's ending) is as good, as challenging, and as heart bleeding as any I've seen in quite a while. It's more than just the trolley problem. The ending here weighed the worth of 'one's own child' against the mere chance to save an ' entire dying world.' After this episode, nearly everyone remarks about how selfish Joel is to brutalize everyone at St. Mary's Hospital (except the two surgical nurses) in the cause of saving Ellie. But to them I ask, is 'parental love' "Selfish"? Or is that kind of 'love' what it means to be "most human"? I don't know... but even though I'm a non-gamer who dislikes anything with zombies or horror... I completely and totally loved TLOU!!! I think Anna did too. She gave us an amazing season react! BTW, I think Ellie is too smart to 'NOT KNOW' Joel is lying, but she can't 'NOT TRUST' Joel as her life's only grounding.
@martinmillar7137
11 ай бұрын
Hospital scene is one of the best shot scenes in tv history imo nothing glorifying just raw emotion and haunting... Its a stunning shot 😮 and for me the scene of the entire series and probably of the decade tbh
@toriboy25
11 ай бұрын
They would have had to take her brain out. They said the cordyceps grew inside the brain. Marlene knew she would die and so did Joel once Marlene explained what they were doing.
@Hapsard
11 ай бұрын
Timeframe at the start of this episode ... I have to suspect weeks or months because winter is either over or they walked out of it (or most likely both). One niggling point in the back of my mind was that they seemed to try and write Marlene's argument in the parking garage as equal to Joel's... She had no high ground in my mind, because as you said all she had to do was ask Ellie and Ellie probably would have gone along with it... even she said that she thought that's what Ellie would say. But She Didn't Ask. The fireflies flippin piss me off lol. We're going to blow up food supplies, we're going to shoot people, we're going to cut up little girl's heads without asking them (based on a guess by this one Doctor that it might work, btw)... Cuz we know better than everybody else. Did they run any kind of test to see it they could actually do what they hoped they were doing? Bah! I did feel like everything after Joel got her out seemed to be setting up next season (i haven't played the second game). Looking forward to it though, if only for Bella and Pedro amazing acting ...
@TahoeNevada
11 ай бұрын
In the game, Ellie is unconscious when brought to the Fireflies, and she never has the option to consent. Making Marlene’s argument even weaker in the game.
@analmf1210
11 ай бұрын
Yes let's say I don't understand either why, if the fireflies are so just, they do what they do?, to liberate to what from what towards what?
@ПережареныйПельмень-е2з
11 ай бұрын
"Okay" - you're in charge here. They agreed at Bill's house
@ZariusFontaine
11 ай бұрын
She saw the shadows Through the tarps
@AnnaAlexanderAuthor
11 ай бұрын
Ahhhhh...
@AugostoPinochet
11 ай бұрын
Turns out, that Marlene actually didn't know what Joel was capable of.
@dansken610
11 ай бұрын
I personally think the second game is better than the first game and I'm really looking forward to the next season (and hopefully seeing it take place in Seattle 😄)
@DavidGowers
6 ай бұрын
As someone who played the game at least a half a dozen times well before the show came out, I know going in that David was bad news, but I also had much the same reaction to him in the game. I wasn't quite as immediate in my "he's bad news" impression, but he still creeped me out because of his voice and how calm he was. That being said, it was a different actor for the game (a massive name in the VO realm - Nolan North) and he played the role so perfectly IN the game, but by the same token Scott Shepherd played David brilliantly for the show. As macabre as it may sound, I think the scenes of Joel going to Ellie and taking down everyone in his path, machine-like, are among the most beautiful in the whole show. The score, the camera work, the editing, the lighting...the way Joel IS like a machine, making his shots without even seeming to think about it, just going on instinct, driven by that parental instinct to save and protect Ellie...it's like poetry. I agree to a point with Joel's actions, because although Ellie did say she wanted to see it through, she also indicated that she wanted to go away with Joel afterwards, but she wasn't given the chance to make a fully informed choice. I kinda feel like IF she was given all the facts and still chose to sacrifice herself in the hopes of helping make a cure, then Joel would have accepted her decision. He wouldn't have liked it, and he'd have fought her, but I think she'd have stood firm and convinced him to let her go IF that was her decision. But she wasn't allowed that chance. By the same token, though, I don't think Marlene would have taken it lying down if Ellie had decided she didn't want to sacrifice herself... Oh, and for my money, the second game IS just as good. It's substantially longer, though, so there's talk that Season 2 of the show will tell half the story of the second game with a third season finishing it out.
@kingpisces7029
11 ай бұрын
Based on your comments in a previous episode when you basically said “you fuck around and find out then act shocked”, lmao i can tell you’re going to appreciate season 2
@nightowl9161
11 ай бұрын
For me the moment I knew (re David), was when he and Ellie were waiting for the other guy to come back with the medicine. Cant remember what he said but it was more HOW he said it and my alarm bells went off
@frozenharold
11 ай бұрын
When you talked about the deer vs the horse and then the cannibalism, there was the exchange where after David admits their eating people, Ellie screams at him: "You're an animal! " David replies, "Well yes. We all are. That's kind of the point." It was just such a casually pragmatic answer. I think this episode had to begin at least a month after the end of the previous one. There is not a spec of snow anywhere and lots of leaves around. (Makes me curious how giraffes are thriving through Salt Lake City winters. The zoos here bring them into heated barns when it gets to 50 degrees.) Marlene is an honorable person, knows Joel well, and as she has said, knows what he is capable of. I think she thought she owed it to him to tell the truth. I also think she knew full well that when she sent Joel off with just those two guys, that there was a better than 50/50 chance he was going to kill both of them. I think you could see that in the look she gave as the 3 of them passed by her out the door. I think giving him that chance was her way to kind of pay of the debt she didn't want to owe him. Another thought on perspective. If we had been following the story of the Fireflies. They were dedicating themselves to setting this all up in order to save all of mankind. And Joel just comes in and murders them all. Their only goal was to save the world. Joel is lying to Ellie because he knows he's wrong. He knows she would have gone through with. "There's no halfway with this. We finish what we start." "It all can't be for nothing.` He can't tell her that all these people are dead now, including Marlene, because of her. He can't tell her that all of humanity may now be doomed because he killed maybe the one doctor left that actually knew, and could do, what needed to be done. Yeah, Ellie is very uncomfortable with how Joel is talking about Sarah now. It's almost never just about her. It's about her in reference to Ellie. And yes, that "OK" at the end? She doesn't trust him anymore.
@TahoeNevada
11 ай бұрын
David and James went “deer” hunting, and were surprised to *actually* find deer…
@cullenarthur8879
11 ай бұрын
I think of it like this, Joel did the right thing for selfish reasons, and Marlene did the wrong thing for the right reasons. Marlene violated Ellie's bodily autonomy because she wanted to get a cure or vaccine to help humanity. Joel saved Ellie from having her bodily autonomy violated because he could not bare to lose a girl he came to think of as his daughter after he lost his first daughter. Marlene has shown previously to care about other people and the greater good. Joel, on the other hand, has shown that he is a selfish person who only cares about himself and those he considers "family". He started to show this from the first episode where he passed up the stranded people on the side of the highway, even though Tommy and Sarah wanted to help them. People look at him like he was a hero, saving Ellie from an unethical procedure. Remember the first words he said after Marlene explained what they would have to do with the procedure? "Find someone else." He didn't care that it was unethical, he only cared that it was his "daughter". He just couldn't bare to lose her, and he didn't care if he doomed humanity as a result.
@analmf1210
11 ай бұрын
So wrong, and wrong, where to start? with the horse? Doesn't matter anyway.
@frozenharold
11 ай бұрын
@@analmf1210 nope
@AnnaAlexanderAuthor
11 ай бұрын
Oh yeah....
@JonathanForres-de1jo
9 ай бұрын
Think of it like this. Anna cut the cord with a knife that had infected brain matter on it. Hence she's immune! Great episode and a great reaction!
@brandismith2968
11 ай бұрын
I knew David wasn't good when he told the child the ground was too hard to bury her father. That was also when I thought about cannibalism.
@Cramdeon1969
11 ай бұрын
Amazing reaction to the season. Btw Anna, I will be in the minority of those who enjoyed the 2nd game. It's a heavier story...if you can believe that's possible. The 1st game is still my favorite but 2 is in my Top 10. Looking forward to going back and watching your reactions to Loki, Once, Yellowstone & Firefly (A Favorite in our Household). Have a Wonderful Week 😊
@Thistaken-e7g
11 ай бұрын
You're not in a minority, most people love the 2nd game, it's a vocal minority that hates it with a passion and are obsessed with it all the same which only speaks to how effective that story is.
@maxmoller
11 ай бұрын
@@Thistaken-e7g True. And almost all of the haters can divided into two groups. The main haters are those who refuse to see "things" from the other side. And then there are those who (for some reason) also calls episode 3 + 7 trash. 😐
@heidibrown3854
11 ай бұрын
And now you can have hours of debate with friends and family… would Ellie have willingly sacrificed her life if Marlene had asked, and would she have forgiven Joel and understood if he told her the truth. Then there’s debate of what would you do if you were Joel… 20 years after your daughter is murdered, you finally make a connection- what would you do in his position with his skill set?
@chuckmanion1128
11 ай бұрын
Personally, I played the game first, so when it came to the show, I already knew about David. He was a little different in the game. In the game, he's not a preacher. You also fight off infected with him before he reveals they'd already had a run in with his group. So in the game, he doesn't seem so bad initially. However, when watching the show, I immediately saw religion, thought manipulative, and instantly knew he was David before they said his name. That's because my views on religion are overall not positive. The people I've talked with about the show, I've noticed the division of initial views on David were not based on gender, but instead based on people's views on religion.
@TahoeNevada
11 ай бұрын
The sheet with the words, “When We Are In Need He Shall Provide” is above the fireplace in Todd’s Steakhouse in the game. I think that subplot was removed from the game. Compared to the show, any scenes not involving Joel and/or Ellie were removed from the game.
@analmf1210
11 ай бұрын
So fighting the infected was reading the bible in the tv show? interesting, yes craig masin with neil, said they were replacing those moments in the game with other scenes that create the same tension, pretty smart this one. Patronizing Ellie in the game too, religion didn't sold David to me. To Anna probably either but the voice, not what he said but how he said it or acted. To me being condescendent.
@douglas2938
11 ай бұрын
It's great that it's possible to have many different discussions about it, but in reality it all boils down to the old trolley problem and whether killing one person to save many is the moral/best option. What I think no one would dispute is that Joel's choice was the only one that would have allowed them to make a sequel. 😉 About the games, (mostly for silly reasons) the second one ended up being as divisive as the thoughts on Joel's actions here, but I think it's what made the story way bigger than its medium and played a big part in making it worth the risk of adapting it. The way that the show has been developed so far gives me no reason to doubt they'll do it justice as well.
@annabethchase2569
10 ай бұрын
Just to note, this was the adaptation of the first last of us game. There is a last of us 2 game, and it will take 2 more seasons of the show to finish that since its twice as long and there's conveniently a part of the game about half way through which would be the perfect season end cliffhanger
@martinmillar7137
11 ай бұрын
Second game was a bone fide masterpiece btw.. wldnt put to much stock in to what some folk may say on youtube or in general..and make your own mind up as and when you experience it...
@KlassyKat45
11 ай бұрын
I had David pegged in the opening scene. Preaching to a group of people in a secluded area. CULT leader.
@reverance_pavane
11 ай бұрын
The big problem I had with this episode (and the game) is the fact that you have a single immune individual and you immediately go ahead with an irreversible procedure on a what is no more than a hunch. Which is batshit insane, even if you don't consider the medical ethics involved. At least do a biopsy (insert a needle to get a tissue sample) for a start. There are risks, since the doctor was obviously a researcher and not a brain surgeon, but they've been opening human skulls to fix things since at least the bronze age.. In stead it was a choice purely made to push Joe's buttons with the choice between saving his [adopted] child and saving humanity. The writers being of the firm belief that there was nothing a parent would not do to save their child. With one blatant exception - if it is something that the child wanted to do (even if the parent does not understand the choice).
@anonymouszebra1239
11 ай бұрын
and gamers had to wait SEVEN YEARS for the second game. SEVEN LONG YEARS!
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
? OH! Consoles?
@rnkelly36
11 ай бұрын
You would have no story without the situation falling like it did. The small things they left out were that the doctor is a veterinarian so any surgery is life threatening. The hint of the game play you miss in the show is changing perspectives. The theme of the story changes from each person you play. People will argue the ethical justification for Joel but the story is about the end of everything and how each person chooses to live or die. Each perspective is the story.
@matthewcharles5867
11 ай бұрын
Well he wasn't really lieing about them looking for a cure as they can't look for a cure if there all dead. But I'm pretty sure she knew he was lieing about the rest. Was interesting way they filmed the hospital was like Marlene's little talk with Joel flipped a switch in him chilling results.
@rayhutchinson640
11 ай бұрын
Another fantastic reaction to another fantastic show! If you crave more of this story's world, I strongly recommend watching people play the 2nd part of the game. It's depiction of post-apocalyptic Seattle is wonderful!!!
@analmf1210
11 ай бұрын
Usually, people that talk like that, didn't watch the show. Dead people walking, that's fantasy, I give you that.
@Moricant
11 ай бұрын
I had played the game so had a pretty good idea of what was coming up with David (there are some differences between show and game) but my wife who came in blind was also instantly skeeved out by him.
@mediohijo14
11 ай бұрын
Oh man this ep. Here comes the tears
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
Mom?
@kimmycupreacts
11 ай бұрын
I agree Anna! I knew right away he could not be trusted.
@jollyrayda
11 ай бұрын
David's vibe was INSTANTLY recognisable... and the cannibalism thing seemed pretty obvious (but then, i have a dark turn of mind...)
@KolorfulDreamsArtKda
11 ай бұрын
The surgery was going to kill Ellie, that's for sure, it's not specified in the show but she was going to die. That's why Marlene told the guards to give Ellie's switchblade to Joel, Ellie wouldn't need it anymore The 2nd game is great but it's very "controversial" and people either love it or hate it, no middle ground.
@kennycooper294
11 ай бұрын
Ellie says okay as in "thats your story" the game seems to be broken up into seasons so between david and this episode could have been some time. ellie wasnt infected the traditional way so that could be why the cordyceps mutated in her. The surgery was brain surgery so they were removing the brain to get to the cordyceps. As for the second game a lot of people hate on it because they wanted a copycat of the first game but different and they didnt give them that.
@rafaelnussi2001
11 ай бұрын
According to one of the game's creators, Neil Druckmann, Ellie's "ok" is an ok from someone who realized that from that moment on this person is someone she can no longer trust 100%. Which is sad, coming from a relationship that was shaped entirely on trust.
@antonioloma2327
11 ай бұрын
Regarding your first question: I suspected David from the beginning (like you, because he *sounded* like someone who uses religion as a cover). But on the same lines, I suspected Cathleen from the beginning (she *sounded* like a self-entitled egotistical person - "Karen"-like). I don't think the predictibility is on gender lines (I've watched several female-reactors that were tricked by David). I don't fully agree that the other meat sources were visitors: in my head it makes more sense that they were brought in by the "scavengers" - it would explain why they attacked Joel on sight in ep6. They were scavenging for food alright.
@MerryMachiavelli
8 ай бұрын
Not trying to sound like Amos from the Expanse or anything but David immediately reminded me of some of the men I grew up around. So I knew he was a predator right away🤷🏻♀️
@pemberliegh
11 ай бұрын
So a few times throughout you asked what is the point of these games, just survival? I didn't want to hop in until you finished the season. There are survival games out there, like Left 4 Dead, where the challenge is really just surviving zombie gauntlets. But this is an action-adventure. There are fighting gauntlets and some exploration, but the main point of the genre is playing thru the story - to be immersed in the story as an active participant. The point or message of this game in particular is the beauty and horror of love. It can inspire you to do wonderful things, fix a broken watch or sacrifice yourself, and people do truly awful things in the name of love, unalive yourself in despair or unalive a boatload of other people in rage. All in the name of love.
@neils123
11 ай бұрын
Just with respect to your opening question, I was with you - never trusted David for even an instant. As background, I'm a 50 year old man. So I don't think that mistrust came from a gendered place. That said, I am a Jewish atheist living in America, and as such I have a pretty deep distrust of religion and especially Christianity, which I have seen all too often in my life used as a tool of indoctrination and oppression. So, yeah, I was immediately put off by David, and then as soon as he shared a glance with one of his followers over the meat, I remember saying out loud to my wife "that's not venison." So, I'm also with you in the sense that I found that part of the episode "predictable", but I really liked the episode nonetheless because it was very well done, and because in the end Ellie rescued herself. As far as this season finale goes... man I have mixed feelings. I love parts of it so much. Everything up until they get taken by the fireflies I love - Ellie's origin, the changing relationship between Joel and Ellie, the wonder at the giraffe, Joel's reveal... but then to me it felt like the portion with the fireflies was a little rushed, and I wanted to get a lot more interaction with Marlene and the others. Or maybe that's just my reaction to the abruptness of the ending. Hmm.. not sure. But more than that, my feelings are mixed because I think it's a genuinely complex ending. I have a lot of thoughts about both agency and honesty, and while I can't fully fault Joel for making the choices he did, I also don't approve of him lying to Ellie even though I understand why he did it. I do appreciate that it's not all wrapped up in a neat little bow, though.
@MrPicklerwoof
11 ай бұрын
I struggle to find much to debate regarding Joel saving Ellie. She never once indicated to Joel she'd be happy to die to make a cure - in fact she told him just hours earlier she wanted a future with him afterwards. It's obvious they both assumed they'd just need to draw her blood or something. I'm not sure what else he could do after Marlene threw him into an impossible situation; that she had decided to murder Ellie without asking her what she wanted to do. He was always going to rescue her or die trying under those circumstances. It's like trying to debate whether night follows day. It's completely inevitable.
@kimmycupreacts
11 ай бұрын
Agree!
@ManuelAngelMartin-om4xy
11 ай бұрын
Swear to me, swear that the ending will satisfy me! Ok
@trulybtd5396
2 ай бұрын
To get a little dark, here. I think, to recognize David as a creep instantly, you need to have experience with creeps. Most men don't, or didn't notice. Most women do. So men who recognize it immediately may have more empathetic insights, exposure, or experience with these issues. Like most women already have.
@kelley5816
11 ай бұрын
Another great reaction! Thanks, Anna! The game David was a lot different, IMO. You spend a lot more time with him. But, I still didn’t trust him. 🤣 Part II was just as amazing as Part I, but it did divide the game’s fan base. There was a plot leak before the game’s release, so I think that was part of the reason. While this show was a great recreation of the game, I would still recommend the game over the show any day. It is much more emotionally taxing and immersive. 🥰
@dansmart3182
11 ай бұрын
I Played the game so I knew as soon as they ran into people after episode 7. I like to think I would have gotten it immediately as well, and wonder if its a religious trauma thing.
@OlmanWillo
11 ай бұрын
It was instant for me too as a black man maybe it hit me different too. But I was like ooh cult alert
@marezesim8119
11 ай бұрын
I was not fond of David from the start thought he was too slick and smooth but I have been manipulated in the past
@lbjohnnyjohn
11 ай бұрын
I knew David wasn't right, in the head, episode one. Shows like this everyone is an adversary. I just assume everyone who isn't the main people are going to in some way be a threat. Hell, Riley almost got Ellie killed and she loved her. F that doctor. That guy had no clue what to do. He was probably just going to take her brain and put it in a blender. Have a brain slurry. Joel was right he just should have said a better lie. Instead of doing the song and dance about they had others, and they stopped trying to cure it he could have just said raiders hit the hospital and he barely got her out. If anyone ever goes and look that is what it is going to look like.
@brucer2152
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I didn't believe David at all. I agree with you.
@brucer2152
11 ай бұрын
Chernobyl was soooo good.
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
..'cause - NOT a Game?
@brucer2152
11 ай бұрын
@@dallesamllhals9161 huh?
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
@@brucer2152 Huh What?
@brucer2152
11 ай бұрын
@dallesamllhals9161 you said something about cause not a game?
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
14:34 Poor lady never been in DK?
@EzekielEliasaElvis-lt1wt
11 ай бұрын
The second game is better than the first game some people just hate a direction the second game went but that's there opinion the second game won game of the year so you can see it was great
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
..so You say?
@GeorgeEugeneBarrett
11 ай бұрын
Awards are political.
@dallesamllhals9161
11 ай бұрын
@@GeorgeEugeneBarrett YES! And?
@menacingsweeper2692
11 ай бұрын
The 2nd game was dethroned by Elden rings, having Elden rings winning the game of the year. It’s definitely not better than the first game.
@davidedwards1705
10 ай бұрын
The whole attempt was never in the game . In the game Joel is practically Superman. He has great hearing , great stamina, great aim. Joel knows Everything. In the show Joel is Mr. Average man. He is partially deaf in one ear. He has panic attacks. He has nightmares about "failing". He is slow. He is out of shape. He attempted self forever sleep. The difference between Game Joel and Show Joel is night and day. I have the Cure for this outbreak. We see Anna was in labor when she was infected and cut the cord on Ellie straight away. As such Ellie is immune. If Ellie was not gay and had a baby that child would be immune. So get a pregnant woman , when she goes into labor infect her just like Anna. Thirty or fourty of these cases and the next generation would be immune.
@ADHDwondergirlArt
10 ай бұрын
I knew David was bad 5 seconds in.
@okaypeekay
10 ай бұрын
You should watch the video game version, its better acted and directed :)
@PurushaDesa
10 ай бұрын
The most consistently surprising element of this reaction series has been how devoid of romance and sentimentality it's been. Maybe that's my naivety in combining author and product in one. And perhaps the process of writing romantic fiction is an incredibly clinical one. But it is still odd to me that big burly men have broken down at this show, yet this one has been mostly interrogative.
@fatehagri1116
11 ай бұрын
hi
@AnnaAlexanderAuthor
11 ай бұрын
👋 hi
@marezesim8119
11 ай бұрын
they should have told Ellie she had to die to give the cure and let it be her choice together with Joel not just decide for her...Joel could have accepted it if Ellie had made the choice but he never should have lied to her
@GeorgeEugeneBarrett
11 ай бұрын
She’s a kid. No kid should have that type of “weight of the world” decision upon their shoulders. Joel did the right thing.
@TomTomson81
11 ай бұрын
The final episode began with a lie and ends with a lie. Both were done out of love. One was selfless, the other selfish. One served to protect Ellie, the other to maintain a relationship whose trust was destroyed in order to be able to continue to be a father to his new Sarah. Just my opinion and it's a long one. No one has to see it the same way. But I'm on Ellie's side even though I love Joel. However, many see and use Ellie's site only to the extent that it justifies Joel's actions. Maria said to Ellie: "Be careful who you put your faith in. The only people who can betray us are the one we trust." And that's exactly what Joel is doing here. Any parent would at least try the same and so would I (but I wouldn't have lied and I would bear the consequences). But Joel is not Ellie's father. He only considers himself to be so, but this is not based on reciprocity. For Ellie, Joel is her only friend and protector, but at eye level. And neither of them would change that. Ellie wouldn't limit her autonomy and independence and Joel wouldn't expect that from her. And then there would no longer be a relationship on the same level. In this respect, they have never called their relationship as father and daughter. Ellie also doesn't seem to like the fact that Joel constantly compares her to his daughter. This clearly comes through in addition to her depression. One really wait for the sentence from her "I'm not her, you know?". Ellie is like a replacement. In this respect, he never has the right to do what he has done, NOR DOES MARLENE. But both know the answer Ellie would give. Why did Joel lie to Ellie in the end? Because he actually knew better and still acted out of selfishness. Marlene, on the other hand, did not tell Ellie what they would do with her so as not to scare her unnecessarily. Marlene doesn't need Ellie's consent either, she would do it against Ellie's will for the world. Therefore, the argument that many bring that Marlene would be afraid Ellie would say "no" is nonsens. This is not decisive for her. Marlene is simply doing the same thing as the Fedra officer in episode 1 did with the infected boy. She also says this in this sense. We didn't tell her anything, she won't be feel fear. Marlene has another thing in common with Ellie. Ellie had to kill her girlfriend and for her it must all have some value. The same goes for Marlene. She had to kill her best friend and for both applies it must not have been in vain. Both lost their friends to the fungus, both had to end their lives. In addition, Marlene had conversations with Ellie in episode 1 and here before the operation again. So yes, Marlene is properly the only one who understands Ellie very well and she knows what Ellie would have wanted. Joel knows that too. An important difference to the game is the feeling you had when you freed Ellie. In the game, on the way to Ellie, you felt like a hero saving your daughter. Here in the series it becomes clear that Joel is not a hero. Supported by the score. Joel is the one who wipes everyone out and extinguishes the hope of saving humanity. People who all just defended themselves here. Joel has not been attacked. He is the aggressor. I think it's good how this is presented here. How Joel is shown as he was for 20 years. Ruthless, unscrupulous, cold-blooded. And if for 20 years he had the reason to be like this so that his brother and Tess could survive, this is now replaced by selfishness. He has rolled through the hospital like a bulldozer. And that Ellie would have wanted this operation is not a question, after what she experienced and had to do. This was her chosen destiny after losing so many people to the fungus. She made a decision on the day Marlene told her about her imunity. Reinforced by the deaths of Riley and all after her. With the giraffes, she reaffirmed that she wants to bring this to an end. The first and only decision Ellie could ever make about her life. So far, others have always been determined over her live. Joel took that away from her. And not only that, he took away everything she fought for and what she went through. 3 weeks after Riley's death, which she had to cause, Marlene has given her a meaning that could have saved all humanity. Joel gave her a life with survivor guilt multiplied by all humanity. She has to live with the fact that all the people who died for her and will die in the future, died for nothing. Her mother, Riley, Sam and Henry, and if she finds out the truth one day, she will blame herself for the hospital carnage and Marlene's death. All died for her or because of her and all in vain. The argument (and justification for Joel's actions) over and over again that Ellie was given no choice is not one either. Since this was never motivation for Joel or Marlene. Joel didn't free her because she had no choice. He did it because he didn't want to lose her. The argument Ellie is still a child and cannot make this decision is nonsense. Ellie hasn't been a child in her head for a long time. She lives in a world where you grow up quickly. She killed, saved lives, injured people, was almost r*p*d and chopped up. She has made mature decisions several times. The last of these was to stand against Joel and go on with a very grown-up reason. She is the only one who can and should make this decision about her life. Nobody needs to come with the reason that it was not certain that the operation would succeed and that a cure could be produced. Everyone involved believed in it, including Joel. The motives of the characters counts. People like to invent ways that the show or game didn't bring in to justify Joel's actions. In fact, the only thing Joel said was "find someone else". So if it were up to him, another child could die instead of Ellie. Joel has accepted that Ellie brings the cure to the world as a fact. And even if there were other immunes out there, Joel also killed probably the only brain surgeon with that kind of knowledge who could have done such an operation. That was a decision he was not allowed to make for Ellie. No matter if he feels that way, he is not her father. And because Joel knows all this, he ends up lying to Ellie. And Ellie already knows at the moment that he is lying, when she asks if Marlene is ok and he says nothing. She got the same answer when she asked if Joel had killed innocent people. He lies so that he can continue to be her Daddy without consequences for himself. So he takes another decision away from Ellie. Namely, whether she still wants to continue to be connected to him amicably, trustingly. How the conversation between Joel and Ellie would have gone if one had taken place before the operation can be seen very clearly at the end of the episode. When Ellie wants to say him for the first time how she feels, why she wanted to do this and for whom, he interrupted her, bombards her with platitudes. He wouldn't listen, but would free her anyway and then make up lies and gives her advices that he himself has not followed. He interrupts her so that he does not have to listen any further, so that he can continue to justify his act for himself. She, on the other hand, can't have all his bullshit since the car anymore and finally interrupts him and makes him swear. Ellie's bullshit detector is unbearable. Nevertheless, she chooses him over his lies. He means the world to her and all she has is him. Her greatest fear of ending up alone certainly plays a role. They love each other and would do anything for each other. Or it is rather dependency. In any case, the long-built trust is now gone. I would like to point out a very interesting conversation that took place in the pilot episode between Tommy, Joel and Sarah. This was about love and dependence. Tommy comes into the kitchen and greets Joel and Sarah with a not so nice word. Sarah to Joel: "Oooh, he loves you" Joel: "He is dependent on me. It's not the same." Sarah: "I think it's the same" I think this conversation is very interesting in connection with the dynamic between Joel and Ellie. To what extent is this love. To what extent is it dependence. To what extent do the two things go together? And are Joel and Ellie even on the same page when it comes to that? Or confuse both love with dependence. I also find the conversation between Joel and Ellie questionable in which he tells her that he wanted to kill himself. The conversation itself was okay, but I don't think it's okay to tell her that she's the reason he sees life positively again. He puts even more pressure on Ellie. He made himself dependent on her existence and let her know that. That's not right. She now constantly has in her head how he will feel when she is away. Well, the authors of the game had not thought of a continuation of the game at that time. That's the advantage of the series. They can prepare much better for the upcoming season and thus make everything that comes in part 2 more comprehensible for everyone. This was an excellent but unfortunately much too short episode. The whole series was just great. I'm looking forward to the second season. Ellie not only has the knife from her mother, but also the jacket she lay in as a baby. The giraffe was real. Her name is Nabo or Nobu. Something like that. Ashley Johnson was Ellie's mother here. Quite poetic when Ellie gives birth to Ellie and both look similar. Laura Bailey the voice actor of Abby from TLOU2 was one of the assistant doctors. I've played both games together 20 times and I love them. I love this series. The best I've seen in a long time. I love Joel and Ellie. I feel the need to play again now with the knowledge of what is now added by the series.
@prutgardin666
11 ай бұрын
I'm against all forms of religion, so I hated him immediately ;) maybe even before you ;)
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
the giraffes were walking and she followed them to get a better look
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
also, heard a flash bang for the first time irl and man those things are loud af
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
we can also assume Ellie would not have survived the surgery. And it was harder for Marlene than what we saw in the show, in the game SPOILER ALERT you can find a bunch of recordings where she is talking to Anna. Thanks for the vitamin reminder lol, see ya in season 2.
@analmf1210
11 ай бұрын
Well yes in the game I feel everything different and my final opinion probably would be different too. For instance, for starters, I feel that Anna doesn't even trust Marlene with her daughter in the TV show and Marlene is much nicer in the game. And I feel Ellie and Joel much closer in the show too. Joel saying I care about you and Ellie I follow wherever you go, none of that is in the game. And let's say Ellie survives, does it matter? it would be like a lobotomy, a different kind of death. Maybe even worse
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
I also knew instantly because I played the game and watched someone else play it beforehand. In game I didn't know until that scene when Troy's character in the show came in, was definitely a surprise for me that first go because we are fighting and killing infected with David, thought he was just a rando side character but no. The ultimate pos. Just sad about the way he died because of the effect on Ellie. She thankfully didn't loose all of her innocence but it still changed her and hardened her, like everything else they have been through but this was like the straw that broke the camels back as they say. Then the end of this episode yeah a completely different Ellie than the one we first met. And I already know someone will say this lol but Ashley is Ellie in the game and I was bawling at the beginning of this.
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
and love that David's episode was right before this, SPOILER ALERT but not really, just relevant to the second part of the game.
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
probably about 3 week difference from last episode to this one, just my guess. The game switched every season.
@FuckingXander
11 ай бұрын
oh yea one of the best parts of the game lol, no infected xD
@analmf1210
11 ай бұрын
I suggest Anna watch the video game at least if not play, the characters feel different to me. And. because this, I don't think the next season will go like in the game, it would not make sense to me.
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