I love how the entire fight is recontextualised if you have the frenzied flame. Instead of putting him out of his misery, you’re taking out a rival.
@NerotheGame
23 күн бұрын
Exactly what I felt when I fought him. I see his title "Lord of Frenzied Flame" and I was like "I don't fuckin think so buddy"
@jiijii123123
23 күн бұрын
It's simply time to blend together a little earlier than the rest of the universe~
@kaijuslayer3334
23 күн бұрын
In my playthrough, I had been the Lord of Frenzied Flame but had used Miquella’s Needle to remove the influence of flame. So once I encountered Midra, it felt a little more personal. Almost as if the Flame recognized my Tarnished as it turned towards them. The fight now being about facing past decisions in a big climax, to face the Frenzied Flame itself.
@JohnWilliams-cr2sz
23 күн бұрын
When I fought him the first time I was on a playthrough where I used the frenzied flame to save Melina and then rid myself of it with the needle, so my fanfic version of the fight was my character, having experienced the horror that could come from housing the flame, knew that I had to end this poor man, not to just protect the world, but to release him from his agony.
@zeppie_
23 күн бұрын
In reality, though, followers of the frenzied flame do not care about who ascends as Lord. In their eyes, all forms of madness are to be revered, and each lord is one step closer to the world returning to the One Great
@ThePlayableRiver
23 күн бұрын
One thing that I haven't seen anyone else point out is the fact that Grapes and the process of Aging evokes imagery of Wine. In many ways, it seems like the process of creating a potent Lord of Frenzied Flame mirrors that of creating a potent bottle of wine. Gift the lord with ripened grapes, and then seal him away with the seed of frenzy fermenting within while the lord endures, until it is finally time to "pop the top" so to speak.
@athelise
21 күн бұрын
And wine is a huge part of communion, yet it also intoxicates
@Majikn
21 күн бұрын
This is an impressive observation.
@vanderkarl3927
21 күн бұрын
And then we come along and open it early, ruining the potential vintage... though it seems decently aged already!
@That1Guy4Never
20 күн бұрын
Elegently put. I really like that.
@krakoa942
20 күн бұрын
Ohhh I like that a lot. This also connects the frenzy to Dionysus, literally the lord of wine and frenzy. His followers were supposed to go into ecstatic states where they'd mindlessly commit acts of sex and violence. I never would have seen that connection, well done!
@EthelJung-j5w
23 күн бұрын
one thing I like about the aging untouchables is how, outside of parrying you can also kill them with the Black Knife and Black Blade, which may be a bug but also shows that Destined death is absolute, and that Melina isn't just all talk in the FF ending.
@Trollkiller
22 күн бұрын
Watching this video spitting out my drink "YOU CAN KILL THEM!?!?!" Beaten that area on three characters already and never ever knew that. God what a great game it keeps giving me reasons to go back lol.
@theawickward2255
16 күн бұрын
@@Trollkiller There's a note in Midra's Manse that tells you that parrying their attacks breaks their invulnerability. There's no note for the Destined Death thing, it's just something the players thought of that the devs didn't.
@IconOfSin
15 күн бұрын
Except if black blade works then the devs did think of it @@theawickward2255
@david5310
9 күн бұрын
i actually hope that they give a unique interaction for destined death against these things, like making it deal more damage against them or at least making them vulnerable. would be cool to have more than one way to kill these things.
@Cynsham
9 күн бұрын
@@Trollkiller the game doesn't give you any hint of how to kill them until you've already made it to Midra's Manse
@michaeltalpas
23 күн бұрын
I like the idea of an eldritch being that appears as just a hand. It puts me in mind of what the animals in a terrarium must think, when the human opens the top and reaches inside.
@massyf96
23 күн бұрын
That’s an amazing analogy
@e.mcallister2444
23 күн бұрын
THE CLAAAAAAAW
@Wilma_Dickfit_huh
23 күн бұрын
Peter Molyneux Black&White
@REAPER3fitty
23 күн бұрын
Master Hand is Metyrs baby daddy
@Wilma_Dickfit_huh
23 күн бұрын
@@michaeltalpas rofl youtube deleting my comment again for no fcking reason. I mentioned Peter Molyneux and his god game with the hand.
@Scalesandtails13
24 күн бұрын
When I saw spectral steed is scared I was like, “I am too but I can’t just piss off into blue dust.”
@garfildt9244
23 күн бұрын
😂😂😂 "he just pissed of in a poof of blue dust officer!"
@Seraphim_1172
23 күн бұрын
"I'm scared too, that don't mean I get to leave! Get your horsey ass back outta that ring!"
@eviltoad746
23 күн бұрын
Yeah but you can revive if it kills you. Torrent can't
@athelise
21 күн бұрын
the way I just shat myself when he disappeared as if he'd been shot was unmatched
@misprintentertainment
21 күн бұрын
Torrent thanos'd himself lmao
@Mr_Sim
23 күн бұрын
I think the three fingers are a malformed child of Metyr. The two fingers use their limbs as antennae to communicate with the greater will, but they have never understood that the greater will has simply abandoned them. They continued to wait, and to lie to the finger readers, waiting for an answer. Even their mother keeps waiting. The three fingers realized what no one else had: the great will had abandoned everything. This truth drove the three fingers to despair. I think that's how they summoned the flame of frenzy for the first time.
@Shabriris
23 күн бұрын
this is lowkey genius
@hahalookatyou
22 күн бұрын
LET HIM COOK
@athelise
21 күн бұрын
ooooh I like that
@lostvayne4553
21 күн бұрын
This makes a lot of sense when it comes to Shabriri, Hyetta and Nanaya, the two fingers granted the Shadowbound to the Empryeans, the candidates for a new god, so why wouldn’t the three fingers do the same, that’s what those three are, Blaaid says it himself when u try to kill him, “a shadow can never die”, Shabriri says the same thing when u kill him, that he can never truly die
@Doctharkun
21 күн бұрын
😮😮 despair....it was always despair and suffering
@austaneousc5802
23 күн бұрын
About Nanaya, I think the gesture of her hand on her stomach is symbolic. She's overseeing Midra's birth as the Lord of Frenzy. Her hand on his shoulder with that knowing smile betrays her command over him and her insidious intent. This contrasts with Midra himself, who is earnest and meets the gaze of the painting's observer with seemingly nothing to hide. It's master and puppet, basically. So she is a "mother," in a sense, but more through her "nurturing," which squares pretty well with the torch she carries, too.
@everythingsalright1121
23 күн бұрын
She was definitely not smiling for the portrait but rather because her plan was being realized
@user-rf8km8kc3s
23 күн бұрын
While this is highly relevant, it is also possible that she was, indeed, pregnant at the time the portrait was made ; Nanaya's torch states that it was made on a "small backbone" - if I am not mistaken ; not a "broken backbone", or a "piece of a backbone", but a "small backbone", suggesting that it was unaltered, and originally small. As a consequence, you can imagine that it was made using a frenzied flame from a previous failing lord, and the spine of the child she had with Midra. Moreover, some theorists (credits to @kroguetdovah, the video is in French tho) seculated that Nanaya might have had something to do with the Deathbed Companions: her clothes are similar to Fia's, and the fact that she could keep this frenzied flame from the torch warm for a long time aligns with the ability to steal and give warmth that the Deathbed Companions have.
@austaneousc5802
23 күн бұрын
@@user-rf8km8kc3s You are welcome to believe she was pregnant, but I think the evidence presented doesn't lead lead to that conclusion. There's no reason for Nanaya to hide her pregancy, nor would it have been possible for her to conceal her plans for said pregnancy from Midra as the "ripening" process would have been impossible to hide given the time needed and the madness it induces. The small backbone seems more likely to be a play on words. Having a small backbone could mean "no backbone," or "not enough backbone." The previous candidate didnt have was it took to become Lord of Frenzy, basically. I also just think the death bed companions are too different thematically to be related to Nanaya. Death bed companions are very earnest. They are genuine sources of comfort. They ask for the warmth from willing champions and they see death as a state of being worthy of respect. The chaos flame cares about none of that.
@user-rf8km8kc3s
23 күн бұрын
@@austaneousc5802 The word "backbone" wasn't the one used, I made a mistake, sorry about that. The word used was a "small spinal column", so something really precise. And nothing says Nanaya hid her pregnancy ; the gesture for a woman to lay a hand on her stomach typically represents pregnancy - of course, it's just an artistic convention. Nothing actually proves that she was pregnant, it's just a theory. And of course, the fact that she could be a deathbed companion relies 100% on interpretation and speculation - it wasn't me that created the theory. All of it is speculation. So, you're probably the one in the right there. All I stated was speculation. That being said, wrong or right, it's just a neat theory. And your own theory was relevant too, btw, probably more than the one I stated, and just as neat.
@Skrighk
23 күн бұрын
What a terrifying and honestly undeniable reading. I could see the theory that she was also pregnant isn't contradictory of this. She was a mother in two different meanings.
@sirnassif3124
24 күн бұрын
Was just looking for something to watch while I smoke on my balcony and voila the universe provides
@midnight6284
24 күн бұрын
Bro your so real I'm out smoking right now too
@Sloshyglass
24 күн бұрын
Get out of my head
@simonsupersad1722
24 күн бұрын
give it up my friend, it's one of the best decisions you can make for yourself and your loved ones
@SuryaGupta-te7fq
24 күн бұрын
im more baked than a cassoulet, man
@StanHalen1936
24 күн бұрын
🤝🏻
@ThomasDSin
22 күн бұрын
There’s a brilliant parallel between Nanaya and Lady Macbeth: She is the maiden, companion of this lord who has a hold, but no real power. But when an opportunity for power comes along (at the behest of supernatural sources, no less) she encourages him to not only capitalize on it, but to “endure” the hardships that come with it (“stick your courage to the sticking place”). She is a woman in a place and time where women who weren’t of royal decent didn’t have the opportunity to establish any kind of formidable power or authority. However, she still has this strong, downright disturbing obsession/desire to preserve some kind of legacy of power not only for herself, but for her husband/companion. She also had a prior marriage/relationship, and it’s open to interpretation that she projects all of her desires/resentment of the loss upon her new partner. It all culminates in this opportunistic, obsessed, desperate and formidable woman manipulating her partner to seize an opportunity for power. Far too many similarities to not raise the point, as far as I’m concerned.
@kevrock
18 күн бұрын
Good observations. I was on a similar line of thinking: Viewing ER lore through the lense of GRRM, Nanaya is a parallel to Melisandre the Red Priestess. They both travelled from distant lands encouraging the belief in shunned diety, focusing their efforts on noblemen that they convincd were destined to become powerful lords and avatar’s of their god, and moving on to another once the previous failed.
@cyberninjazero5659
17 күн бұрын
I don't remember Lady MacBeth having a previous marriage prior to MacBeth
@Celatrec
24 күн бұрын
going thru what looked like a regular catacombs, only to go down elevator after elevator to the pits of hell, to wind up at the abyssal forest/Midra's mance was one of the most incredible sequences in a souls game imo. That, and one of the coolest bosses ever at the end of one of the most terrifying sections in a souls game
@todd2.08
24 күн бұрын
Not just the catacombs but also its all hidden under the Shadow Keep and leads down a ravine with destroyed ruins, a village of Flymen (they are shunned by Hornsent), a deranged samurai’s mausoleum and is just generally a dark place in terms of brightness. It made you feel like you were going through the dregs of society, into a resting place for the dead and then finally hell
@kellyramirez7465
23 күн бұрын
Its like “I was just trying to find a bathroom and now I’m fighting a frenzied man in torment”
@aliuniversal4100
23 күн бұрын
Getting lost and winding up somewhere amazing was the best part of the dlc
@tiberious_jefferson
23 күн бұрын
@@aliuniversal4100Seems like that happens a lot in this game and it’s so amazing every fucking time.
@TheSaladin777
23 күн бұрын
Appreciate your opinion, but after going through the massive area of the abyssal forest I couldn’t help thinking what a waste of an area, the forest being completely barren but for some goats, no use of torrent and the annoying forced stealth mechanics, it felt so gimmicky and half baked. The manse itself was fun, but took about 15 minutes to run through and beat. Decent lore though
@Kuroooiii
24 күн бұрын
The fact that Midra doesn't even want us to go near him but we have to defeat em to end his suffering
@deathandrebirth-y8x
24 күн бұрын
lets set him free. by devouring the very gods. togethaaa
@DataDrain02
24 күн бұрын
It still felt kinda wrong to me.... Feels like we broke into this man's house. Went to his room and kicked the shit out of him. Forced him to rip his own head off.... Beat the shit out of him again. And just took his runes and rememberance. For a more good aligned character, I played as (to the best of what the game provides me).... I chose to leave the manse. (But then, switched to a Sheogorath character and used the sunflower rememberance weapon to do the dungeon. Seems like a decent way to sidestep that. It's not canon to my character. =V)
@djbeema
23 күн бұрын
This is at least 50% of all fromsoft bosses lol
@kritexz
23 күн бұрын
@@DataDrain02playing a souls game with morals? ☠️☠️☠️
@iepvienredstoneHuy007
23 күн бұрын
@@DataDrain02the only reason Midra was still kicking even after being szitkabab was because he know if he loose consciousness aka loose his head, Lord of Frenzied will come out. Us entering his manse uninvited, beating the shit out of him just make the old dude quit
@MarcellusMaize
24 күн бұрын
This boss felt more like a mercy kill than any other one in the game.
@jack_the_jr7959
23 күн бұрын
"shadowtree avatar left the chat"
@lm7677
23 күн бұрын
Fortisaxx did not get their own prepare to cry for this kind of disrespect
@WeirdTroll666
23 күн бұрын
Messmer 🤡
@user-jv1bd4hp5l
23 күн бұрын
@@WeirdTroll666Messmer is not a mercy kill
@Senzuballs
23 күн бұрын
He’s for sure the only boss I actually felt bad for killing
@dippahh9064
23 күн бұрын
after learning that TORRENT FUCKING DIES in the frenzy ending, i ain't doing that shit ever again
@Cheezndie
23 күн бұрын
Even tho he makes you throw yourself off a cliff, I do feel bad for killing him.
@Delwin_reis
23 күн бұрын
the base game already made this very clear, there was no need for the DLC to show this....
@VictorIV0310
23 күн бұрын
@@Delwin_reis?
@beef_baby
23 күн бұрын
@@Delwin_reisSome people don’t see the bonus cutscene of hearing Torrent dying because they received the frenzied flame after burning the erdtree
@JedioftheRose
23 күн бұрын
Everything dies under the Flame, that’s the point
@michael-fw3vz
23 күн бұрын
The sound design in the cutscene where Midra becomes the lord of frenzied flame is absolutely incredible and adds so much to that fight for me. I love how they adorned the typical sounds of flames burning with these eerie wails, like some cosmic being shouting from a void. It really accentuates how otherworldly the frenzied flame is.
@someguywithoutamustachestw4406
24 күн бұрын
Midra is lowkey one of the best bosses in the game and seeing just how destructive the frenzied flame is even when it’s not burning everything is terrifying. You can just FEEL the despair especially after seeing the painting of what it used to be.
@anonisnoone6125
24 күн бұрын
I wish his posture wasn't so low. Y tf did they give him such low stance? It makes his fight so easy with a greatsword.
@mitsuri3096
24 күн бұрын
No he is S TIER along side bayle and messmer sorry ramina fans
@mitsuri3096
24 күн бұрын
@@anonisnoone6125cause high hp
@ryanlafferty5815
23 күн бұрын
Midra was the biggest and best surprise in the DLC for me, an awesome fight too
@uglahboi6074
23 күн бұрын
@@anonisnoone6125his posture isn’t too bad tho is it? I mean I’ve only fought him with dex weapons so far, and maybe get 1 poise break per fight. That’s about par for most of the dlc and late base game bosses
@somethingbatty950
22 күн бұрын
I interpreted the spine torch as being Midra's spine. He, too, is called a feeble or failed Lord, and his spine has been replaced by the sword. So, it's possible his spine was taken by Nanaya and dipped into a frenzied flame or something..
@thisisfyne
22 күн бұрын
That's what I think too. Midra doesn't seem to have a spine (or ribcage) before transforming. Pretty sure the torch comes from him.
@MiguelAngelGutierrezRamirez
15 күн бұрын
I thought that too when I first found it, but Midra clearly has a spine. You can see it when he turns into the Lord of Frenzy.
@nicholasloduca6668
24 күн бұрын
We can all agree Midra probably wasn't the hardest boss, but he is clearly one of the favorites from the DLC because it's a masterclass in building up tension. First, you arrive at the Abyssal Woods, unable to summon your trusty stead who is too frightened to appear, despite following you resolutely everywhere else. Then, you have the messages telling you can't fight what lies ahead. And when you finally sneak (or parry) past them, you arrive at this bleak manor, accompanied by screaming that gets louder and louder, the closer you get to the boss room. Incredible
@blizzardgaming7070
23 күн бұрын
Before even reaching the woods there is build up. A hidden painting in the Shadow Keep leading to a stone coffin, a pit filled with discarded furnace golems. A pitch black catacomb hidden away with an open boss arena at the end.
@Hevvvyyy
23 күн бұрын
What a hellhole, that place suckedd but the boss fight was insane
@TelosTheStory
23 күн бұрын
Don't forget to mention the absolute banger of an OST. Also Midra is just a fun fight with an easy to learn moveset that doesn't have any bullshit ultra flashy, fps draining, "how tf do I dodge this" attacks.
@Gishgallop42
23 күн бұрын
I lost to midra way more than I lost to Miquella
@NWolfsson
23 күн бұрын
As a wise man once said: FromSoft games seem to randomly choses in all the list two bosses you'll destroy incomprehensibly easily, and two that will make you spew your innards before you can even comprehend how to survive two of their assaults
@austinluther5825
23 күн бұрын
Midra looks so much like a frenzy version of Goldmask. Like a scholar and diviner of chaos instead of order.
@blizzardgaming7070
23 күн бұрын
His cloak is very similar to Goldmask's, his pelvis almost echos Goldmask's loincloth and the title "sage" shared between them. And finally, the flame of frenzy and Goldmask's sunflower mask. He seems to have been visually designed as a dark reflection of Goldmask.
@theps3boy1000
23 күн бұрын
Two sides of the same coin
@normanbates7373
23 күн бұрын
The skinny fashion of asceticism
@matthewa6027
23 күн бұрын
In a weird way that reflects their most devout followers, Shabriri and Corhyn. They look identical in Vatii's frenzy videos; for good reason. The clothing description made it odd to be worn by Corhyn. Starting to really like this theory.
@titustavares335
23 күн бұрын
Oh my god youre a genius
@Gubbug
21 күн бұрын
Part of what I love about the design of the Frenzy spells is that it looks like the caster initially tries to contain the madness behind their eyes, before it erupts out of them. A constant struggle against a madness that keeps finding its way out.
@freddymeisner
24 күн бұрын
Making it out the Abyssal Woods with this one, boys.
@Glep909
24 күн бұрын
Torrent: ✌️
@jamster8764
24 күн бұрын
The place was so empty that the only reason to go was for the boss
@jansenncuber8009
24 күн бұрын
@@jamster8764it was really empty yeah but it’s hard to hate it considering how petrifying the “do not let it see you” notes were
@prodbyscythe
24 күн бұрын
@@jansenncuber8009the messages weren't really that scary though, considering how easy it was to get around the enemies 😭
@jamster8764
24 күн бұрын
@jansenncuber8009 It was just a copy and paste bloodborne enemy, though. Hell, I would've settled for a frenzied flame headless from Sekiro or a dragon.
@kvsolo2636
23 күн бұрын
The concept of two and three fingers is interesting. Even numbers can be balanced in a scale by putting one on each scale, but odd numbers make the scale to topple on the either side that has the extra. In terms of astronomy, two body systems have predictable and orderly trajectory while 3 body systems have an unpredictable and chaotic trajectory.
@klymen
23 күн бұрын
Anyone going to point out the Elden Beast has five fingers ?
@HeevaEgo
23 күн бұрын
@@klymen the cinqudea states that Beasts were given the gift of 5 fingers as a form of intelligence - likely given to them to rule over the Elden Ring in the Prehistoric era
@Aullanst
23 күн бұрын
@@klymen and Metyr has 14 + 10 + 1 giant thumb with an eye + A RANDOM NUMBER of Two Fingers crawling from within her body. Anyway SHE is more ancient than the Elden beast, so if any observation on the silhouette of this type of fallen star being should be made, I think it would be more relevant to observe Metyr. Unless you think five-fingers beings didn’t exist before the golden order. Which is clearly not the case ; dragons, misbegotten, beastmen, clay men, even Astel or fire giants. All have five fingers.
@x_Skeleton_x
23 күн бұрын
@@AullanstThe Elden Beast is the Elden Ring. That’s his point. 5 would thus be synonymous with either the Greater Will or the wholeness of the One Great. The number has obvious sacred connotations to the GW and its Elden Ring.
@HeevaEgo
22 күн бұрын
@@graphemelucid8407 Bloodborne and Elden Ring are different games with different motifs. Fingers aren’t as important in BB as they are in ER. Just because they aren’t important in Bloodborne doesn’t make them unimportant in Elden Ring. Different games, different rules. Fingers are literally littered around every major concept of game design and political/religious structure of Elden Ring’s world. Hell, depending on who you even ask, the Entire Lands Between map - in its current form - looks like a furled finger. Fingers and Hands are as important to Elden Ring as Eyes are to Bloodborne. But both games differ in a lot of ways of concept. So just because fingers don’t matter in BB doesn’t mean it’s not the most important source of narrative told in Elden Ring, because it is. lil breakdown incase you forgot: - 5 fingers/whole concept: it’s the concept relating to the one great. 5 fingers are a sign of intellect given to the earliest form of intelligent life (cinqudea weapon and HYETTA dialogue) - 2 fingers: we know what this represents order - 3 fingers: we know this represents chaos, and represents a Bad Omen in current times (Four-toed fowl foot) - 4 fingers: this is a signifier of luck, and is directly compared to 3 fingers (four-toed fowl foot). Metyr is also one of the rare beings with only 4 fingers The only time in Elden Ring where fingers don’t follow this rule directly is as a result of Metyr’s fertile defects. The finger creepers, stated by Ymir, are unnatural and impure children, born of defects - that’s why they disregard the finger rule.
@theonewhosees586
23 күн бұрын
Can we just appreciate the cinematic sequence starting at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="362">6:02</a>? It’s sooo well done snd sequenced with Hyetta’s voice and gives me chills every time
@Warforged644
24 күн бұрын
I never even thought about the Stakes of Marika being in the Land of Shadow, but not in Raya Lucaria
@Travolta12e
23 күн бұрын
I don't think any Legacy Dungeon has stakes in them tbh. The only one I remember is at Redmane Castle, just before Radahn (which is kinda useless as there's a site of grace just before it, where you fight the crucible knight)
@Hexagonaldonut
23 күн бұрын
@@Travolta12e Mostly it saves you an elevator ride.
@kingnro1
23 күн бұрын
@@Travolta12e Yup, it's a misconception that having none in Raya Lucaria was meant to be meaningful
@SirZipper
23 күн бұрын
@@Hexagonaldonut Or a short run across a field
@MarcoPolo39046
23 күн бұрын
They still should have put a grace just before Renalla. The run back to the boss is awful
@joeyhart8165
23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1041">17:21</a> Its interesting that the stake of marika in the abyssal woods is still whole, when most, if not all, the others have been beheaded
@mr.duanesharpe
23 күн бұрын
Good sight. Wasn’t looking while on offense and defense.
@blizzardgaming7070
23 күн бұрын
Given that Midra was touched by the three fingers, I think that during Messmer's crusade they were sized by Marika. Hence the stake and how they are buried right beneath her capital, guarded by all three of her first lord's children. Mogh's memory, Morgott's seal and just where does the only other entrance lead? Godwyn's undying corpse.
@dododooooo
23 күн бұрын
My favorite theory currently about Marika is that she is a jar saint. Worshipped as some kind of "created god" by the jars. A kind of artificial crucible of life. For a while, she would have been worshipped at some capacity by the hornsent. That's why she has two braids in the Shadow Lands statues and her palms facing up. But in the Land's Between she has one long braid and palms facing down. You also find her cut-off braid in the shaman village, where her gold is there without order. The gold being without order, to me, just means she hasn't become a god yet, at that point. It wouldn't become Order until she comes under the thrall of the fingers/the Greater Will. Possibly when she is joined to Radagon, who is said to be The Golden Order's hound, loyal to it. So while I won't speculate as to the "why" one thing I think is pretty clear is that she was someone/something different with the hornsent. And only when she became a god at the top of the tower is when she founded the "Golden Order." I also don't buy that the Elden Ring didn't exist at this time. Mainly because it appears Placidusax DID exist in this timeframe, and he was Elden Lord. So while I don't exactly know what the connection between the Elden Ring, Metyr, and the Elden Beast is exactly, I do believe the metaphysical concepts contained within the Elden Ring and the Elden Ring itself, definitely existed during the Hornsent's age.
@dannywatson4253
23 күн бұрын
I would guess it's just because the woods were sealed before Messmer's crusade. The stakes elsewhere in the land of shadows were beheaded either by the Hornsent out of spite or the crusaders out of disillusionment. Neither would have had the chance to behead the stakes in the woods.
@richardrussel4567
23 күн бұрын
@dannywatson4253 what about the inquisitor we find throughout his mance and on the way there?
@KITsune-ICHI
21 күн бұрын
One nice touch to the lore and Melina standing against the frenzy is that the aging untouchables can be killed with the destined death status. It takes longer than parrying but can be done.
@thaearthquake
24 күн бұрын
It’s insane how Midra was one of the most striking shots in the trailer but by the time I got around to the DLC I completely forgot about him. Then that cutscene.. easily the best boss in Elden Ring for me.
@jockturner1547
22 күн бұрын
As someone who specifically avoided the trailers because, well I already knew I was going to buy it so why spoil things for myself, I was completely floored that they just dropped a lord of frenzy flame boss fight just in the middle of map, make it optional and make it one of the best. My jaw dropped when he sprouted the frenzy flame head, easily one of the best fights in the dlc.
@yodoleheehoo90
24 күн бұрын
I was wearing headphones when Torrent suddenly bucked me off his back and I swear I jumped from the couch. Then that music came on, sent shivers down my spine just being there and looking at the polluted river filled to the brim with madness... The messages left behind helping me, warning me, but I kept going, seeing so many bloodstains, EVERYWHERE. And those Winter Lanterns, never thought I would ever see them again here! I wish I can traverse that area all over again and just take in the enormity of the trees, which also reminds me of Ash Lake!
@ManiaMac1613
23 күн бұрын
I interpret the Abyssal Woods as the closest analogue to what a world burned by Frenzy would actually look like. Eerily tranquil and largely devoid of life
@cardgameenjoyer7446
23 күн бұрын
Your fat
@IndieGinge
23 күн бұрын
Yes! Finding the Abyss is the most like finding Ash Lake since Ash Lake! I actually really liked the spaces of the DLC for this reason. Lots of people are bitching about "empty spaces" but these spaces are BEAUTIFUL and horrifying. FROM did it's best with the Abyss, but this is part of why I think SoTE is another high-point for their execution. There is SO MUCH you can miss, and it's so interesting to explore!
@ManiaMac1613
23 күн бұрын
@IndieGinge Those complaints aren't totally invalid; the Finger Ruins areas, for example, absolutely suck. I have never heard anyone say "boy, I sure do love exploring the Finger Ruins!" unironically. On the flipside, you have Jagged Peak, where the only enemies aside from a few slugs are the dragons. Of course there wouldn't be any other enemies up there, the dragons would have destroyed them. Plus, scaling the peak towards Bayle's arena while red lightning strikes down constantly really helps to build up one of the best dragon fights FromSoft has ever delivered.
@yodoleheehoo90
23 күн бұрын
@@ManiaMac1613 I enjoyed the Finger Ruins, love the music there, but those leech creatures piss me off
@nuttapolsitthisin883
20 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="526">8:46</a> I’ve had over 600 hours in Elden Ring and just realized Frenzy Flame symbol has the Tree Fingers in it.
@Kevvv890k
23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2290">38:10</a> maybe Vyke was deceived by Shabriri, directly trough his maiden. Shabriri possesed vyke's maiden and told him as his maiden to travel far below the capital. this would explain the line: "Did he make his choice for his maiden, or did some other force like him with suggestion?" if it is true that Shabriri took Nanayas body ofcourse just like vaati mentioned, i like this idea.
@kartikaychoudhary8797
23 күн бұрын
My god "lure him with suggestion is literally what Shabriria does to us".
@tensho4
23 күн бұрын
Could've been with anyone's corpse for that matter. If Vyke's maiden was dead and her body was being occupied by a stranger then he would have no reason to burn himself, this is of course considering Shabriri did not tried to play a Yura impostor but was honest about stealing his corpse.
@warcheddar4163
22 күн бұрын
honestly when you think about it maybe the reason shabriri posses yuri and not our maiden is, well, because we are maidenless, and our substitute maiden is a demigod child of Marika, presumably someone he cannot posses.
@kazuh1ra_
22 күн бұрын
@@warcheddar4163 And also a spirit, if i remember correctly. The Tarnished seems to be out of the norm for pretty much everything that concerns him. We find the bodies of maidens lying all around of the Lands Between, so I'd assume that the Maidens dont actually accompany their Tarnished; they're set to wait for them for his/ her return to give him a new quest. (aka, you finished way A, now go way B to get to this rune, just like Gideon does, basically) So for me it makes sense, that Shabiri somehow possessed the maiden of Vyke - maybe there is no need to "actually" kill the host, Shabiri could be some kind of spirity, weirdly parasite that infects a host somehow - and then told Vyke to venture below. I feel like Shabiri is the "maiden" used by the Three Fingers to lure Tarnished or, promising Candidates for Lordship to themselves. Maybe the Three Fingers exist, because the mother of the fingers realized, that there is nothing new of the greater will - and tried a different approach, creating the three fingers. the question is - how did they end up down there? Somebody must have hidden them by purpose, yet, without being influenced by them. So far I've never seen a proof that one of the Two Fingers is able to move by themselves. Every Two Finger of the Demigods is on top of their tower - instead of Rannis, that one is hidden beneath a ruin. We also have no clue why the Two Fingers of any Demigod are dead - we only know Ranni killed her Fingers herself. So *who* put the Three Fingers there and who put Ranni's Finger where they are? If they were hidden not by Ranni, but by someone else, how did she know where they are? On top of Rannis Tower is only her original Body. Did she maybe hid her Fingers there by herself; ensuring no one of the Great Order can stop her from killing her own Fingers, if the plan got leaked out? And then proceeded to use her Tower as a bit of an Irony; freeing herself on the place the Fingers used to control her? Did she want to be as close to the Moon as she could for some reason? I feel a lot of things are still untouched/ not taking into consideration forming a lot of thesis of story lore of the game.
@thatlittlemonstrosity
21 күн бұрын
@@tensho4 for Yura, he knows that you most likely witnessed his death and doesn’t try to do fancy tricks. Vyke’s maiden was probably killed by Shabriri or she died in a way that Vyke wouldn’t notice
@xpatrstarx
24 күн бұрын
The smile in the painting blows my mind. It feels like the lynchpin of Midra's story.
@kellyramirez7465
23 күн бұрын
Mona Lisa’s got nothing on this lady
@FFKonoko
23 күн бұрын
It's a stretch. I'm much more convinced the lynchpin is the position of her hand. She was pregnant, they loved each other, he endured out of love. This is the same as what the later potential frenzied flame Lords have to motivate them, maybe even the inspirational blueprint, since he came so close. What if shabriri is nanyas child?
@agucci
23 күн бұрын
Dearest Nanaya 😢
@AtomicZamurai
23 күн бұрын
@@FFKonokois there any item description that suggest that she was in fact pregnant? Because it seems you're stretching too. Plus the smile is very significant and suggest that Nanaya was indeed evil and manipulating midra
@lubue5795
23 күн бұрын
@@FFKonoko Seems unlikely to me that Shabriri would be Nanaya's child. Shabriri nature of being a sort of skinwalker that posesses dead bodies and his ties to Vyke and the Frenzied flame suggest to me that he should be far older than the tragedy that occured at the manse. He also speaks and acts like somebody with a great deal of experience, so I find it unlikely that he would be this young.
@alexanderbaynes9583
22 күн бұрын
My impression from the blindfolds of Hyetta and Madding Hand Man is that they both gouged their own eyes out (or at least, had their eyes replaced), and the Frenzied Flame took root in their empty sockets, as was the case with Shabriri (Shabriri's Woe Lore), and their use in the game is largely meant to be indicative of their total dedication/succumbence to the Frenzied Flame.
@adelinaiftime3152
23 күн бұрын
i heard in another lore video a while back that the reason why the 10 corpses in front of Mirda's mansion have those 10 glowing stakes in their necks is so that the frenzy doesnt erupt from them they serve the same purpose as the sword impaling Midra himself, to keep the frenzy at bay
@TheVeiledMonarch
23 күн бұрын
And as punishment for the worship of the flame, as the flame consumes all, spirits as well.
@adelinaiftime3152
23 күн бұрын
@@TheVeiledMonarch oh yeah, true thank you
@framesiphon507
23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="4">0:04</a> *Choco-taco cancelation news reaches the Lands of Shadows"
@Proxy1199
23 күн бұрын
Wait are Choco Tacos actually cancelled?!?
@Im-crazyfrogbro
23 күн бұрын
@@Proxy1199yeah…
@scottwilly86
23 күн бұрын
@@Proxy1199 yeah Klondike stopped making them in 2022. Taco Bell said they were going to come out with one though.
@TehSymbiote
23 күн бұрын
Ngl, I was hella salty when that happened. That's one of my favorite ice cream treats
@ripkeyboarding3755
23 күн бұрын
@@Im-crazyfrogbrowhy we’re they cancelled tho?
@kafkasclown8128
23 күн бұрын
Considering motherhood is a central theme of the DLC, I'd say the framing of Nanaya as a mother figure is more important than whether she actually is one. Sort of a foil to Arianna in Bloodborne: where Arianna rejected her eldritch spawn, Nanaya is embracing hers. Even if the spine isn't from Nanaya's own child, she's acting as a kind of surrogate to whoever it was.
@caliaid
23 күн бұрын
wow, the contrast between Midra shouting/mad, and when he stops “enduring” is so striking - from high-pitched wailing to a cool, confident, low clear speech. The voice work in FS is always so top notch - few games actually carry meaning thru even the voice acting like their games do.
@eviltoad746
23 күн бұрын
His VA was also Father Gascoigne in Bloodborne. He was destined to rock this role
@matthawky6879
22 күн бұрын
I never would have guessed that before I read your comment since both roles are so very different in style. This guy's voice can really transform. @@eviltoad746
@mikewatkinson1996
23 күн бұрын
As a history nerd, what i always love about Souls games is the lore speculation. Since we only get pieces, we always have to speculate and put a puzzle together. Its just like real history. You have bits of evidence, maybe a theory....but sometimes we will just never know for sure. So the story evolves overtime with new finds.
@brado6655
23 күн бұрын
That’s why I like that they barely tell you anything. It puts you in the shoes of the tarnished. Picking up the pieces as you go
@willostrand6555
18 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2076">34:36</a> this quote will live on as one of the legendary NPC quotes in this game, alongside “togethaaa, we will devouaaaa, the feet GOHDS”, “I am malenia, blade of miquella,” and “foul tarnished”. Among the other amazing quotes in this game, “the depths of your foolishness” is my favorite
@kaigdoa893rhkpp
24 күн бұрын
Torrent going to need therapy after this one
@Firebee033
24 күн бұрын
Idiot Donkey looks at orange water and bails, why did area need to be like 20 miles long?
@aguywearingonlyshorts
23 күн бұрын
Like, can you imagine Torrent carrying someome who he can FEEL is going to cause the apocalypse and he can't do anything about it because he swore to aid you? Poor guy
@kaigdoa893rhkpp
23 күн бұрын
@@aguywearingonlyshorts The version of the ending where you do it before burning Melina is the final nail in the coffin
@theawickward2255
16 күн бұрын
Poor horse deserves all the Sweet Raisins he can eat for putting up with this.
@5TailFox
23 күн бұрын
I love how Midra's head stays still while his body whirls around, swinging his sword underneath. It's so cool yet so creepy at the same time.
@jarlsunshot5542
23 күн бұрын
Ive said before when playing the Manse that Midra feels like he moves as if he's a living jumpscare- he'll float aimlessly on the spot as telegraphing, and then *boom*, he's in your face.
@AM_61102
23 күн бұрын
That’s actually not even his head. There was supposed to be a reusable consumable item called midra’s head that you would be able to get from either his remembrance or find it on the ground after the fight
@zezomorsy3165
15 күн бұрын
He has no head in the second phase
@5TailFox
15 күн бұрын
@zezomorsy3165 Yes he does. The glowy orb thing becomes his head in the second phase.
@zezomorsy3165
15 күн бұрын
@5TailFox ah you mean the fire ball thing .well, it doesn't really make sense that it would spin with his body since it's not attached to it.
@normalmixo
21 күн бұрын
Until <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="25">00:25</a> looks like it could be a trailer for the best game ever made, and it's actually a tiny tiny portion of this game
@starchman8758
23 күн бұрын
I think the "too weak to become a lord" thing is referencing how he was too weak to become THE lord of frenzied flame, he became a "lord" in the physical sense of replacing his head with the eye of chaos but he wasn't able to melt away the world like the lord of frenzied flame is supposed to, because we stopped him (or replaced him)
@114418514
23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2020">33:40</a> I actually read that as Midra was too weak to become the ELDEN lord and thus isn't able to usher in the Age of Frenzied Flame.
@retwewe9916
23 күн бұрын
I agree. After all, a crown is warranted with strength. Those who become lords of Frenzied require so much suffering that the strong is not naturally going to become Lord of Frenzied. That's why the three fingers exist: so that a Lord could skip the process of suffering that Midra had to endure.
@Xolcm
23 күн бұрын
Alternatively, it only mentions that he was too weak to become a lord in his rememberence, which you get after you kill him, meaning that he was too weak to become a lord BECAUSE you killed him.
@114418514
23 күн бұрын
@@Xolcm If that was the case, then shouldn't the other Lord candidates (Radahn, Malenia, Mohg) have that in their remembrances as well?
@metalmonster9536
23 күн бұрын
It clearly says that "Lord of Frenzied is awesome BUT Midra was too weak to become such a being"... If any lord can be interpretated as an Elden Lord, then one might even argue that the Aging Untouchables are feeding madness to some random Elden Lord and that does not make any sense
@kefkajanar12324
22 күн бұрын
Something notable is that the Hornsent's armor set has an incredible amount of focus on it. Wearing Hornsent's armor and the +1 Clarifying Horn talisman is probably one of the best ways of mitigating the self inflicted frenzy caused by Midra's Flame, which is very interesting to me
@alliesangalli1757
23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1629">27:09</a> I don't think the blindfold has to do with madness specifically. Corhyn wears a near identical blindfold to Hyetta, yet he has no tie to madness. I think an explanation might come from the Prophet's Blindfold. It reads: "Why hesitate, if the path leading to the future is clear? Just close your eyes, and walk." It seems to imply that a blindfold is a symbol of faith, that you're giving up your own sight for some higher force to guide you to your destiny.
@HeevaEgo
23 күн бұрын
Yup. Similar thing happens with the Guilty gouging their eyes out. They see the blood star. Pure blindness seems to be associated with a higher truth. A prophecy even. And if one is touched by an Outer God, their blindness leads to the embracing of the Outer Force (I.e- Malenia being fully blind allows her to be a worthy conduit for translating Rot into Life; or how Messmer’s pure-blindness also communicates the intensity of a particular Abyssal Serpent deity; Miquella, having closed both his eyes, is able to ascend truly unto Godhood; Corhyn prophesied the ruin of the Erdtree, having both his eyes covered; Hyetta is able to truly see into the distant light in a cosmological sense, eating Eyes, as she is completely blinded of the mortal eyes that which would allow her to interact with the Human world)
@sane1208
22 күн бұрын
that’s an incredible observation, it shows that no matter the outer god, faith stays faith, and wether it’s a tarnished or a hornsent, it’s still small people kinda manipulated by entities thought to be good (or kinda in the frenzied flame context), it kinda resonates with the whole cosmic horror thing going on with elden ring and bloodborne
@Well_Meaning
22 күн бұрын
It also means the Flame is the only faith which TRULY blinds you, meaning it's the only path with anything "real" behind the mere belief.
@zanef7015
22 күн бұрын
Also earlier in the video it's mentioned that whoever made the Mad Craftsman's Cookbook had their eyes burned by Frenzied Flame, so this could possibly be that Craftsman. It would also explain the creation of the weapon.
@thekaz5225
20 күн бұрын
I was thinking the same.
@MrDavekov
24 күн бұрын
If you superimpose the SOTE map over the Lands Between, the "Abyssal Wood"area looks like it should be underwater. That would make sense, because "Abyssal Plain" is the name for a flat part at the bottom of an ocean.
@blizzardgaming7070
23 күн бұрын
Notably the eastern edge has a spot where it constantly rains, the same edge where the ocean turns to mist.
@SleepyKurisu
23 күн бұрын
I'd like to theorize that when the people of Midra's manse including midra himself first discovered the winter lantern they tried to study frenzy in finding a way to cure it or destroy it And eventually they came to a standstill or midra came to a realization and learned the more the studied the more they followed frenzy's path so he reached out to the hornsent and they sent the inquisitors to "help" and when they arrived it was too late They weren't there to help in studies or prevention they were there to destroy any and all frenzy And in the study of frenzy when Midra's realization kicked in he might've realized his path was of that of a lord of frenzied flame and the reason he failed to become one was because of his "death" sealment or torture with the blade of damnation preventing the transformation I don't believe he knew Nanaya was possessed at all but I do think he realized something about frenzy and when he reached out for help he was met with a extermination force
@AlexHyena1
23 күн бұрын
the idea that Nanaya slandered the manse to bring the inquisition just as Sabriri slandered the merchant caravan raised a thought; if Nanaya did coerce the inquisition to the manse and to the hornless Midra, perhaps this was the very origin of the hornsent’s jar-saint practise - having the perceivedly frenzied numen become saints to stave their nihilistic ideology. And as you said, the cycle of persecution only furthers the frenzy.
@fleshizweak5864
23 күн бұрын
I LOVE this theory
@christopherlyndsay8611
23 күн бұрын
That suffering caused by the hat practices would definitely cause more frenzy though, no?
@charlesamor2827
23 күн бұрын
The Merchant Caravan wasn't "slandered." They actually did worship the frenzy flame, and knew how to summon it, and every merchant knows frenzy spells, and the Lord of Frenzy Flame boss music uses the merchant song as a leitmotif. Maybe Shabriri tricked them into worshiping the frenzy flame or something, but they were definitely guilty.
@MoonLexsanders
23 күн бұрын
@@charlesamor2827 log out of the fake account marika
@connortheandroidsentbycybe7740
23 күн бұрын
@@charlesamor2827 they only started to worship & use frenzy after their imprisonment beneath Leyndell
@Scheifen1
23 күн бұрын
The theory I held is that the frenzy appeared in the forest, and the inquisition comes in to destroy the Manse, thinking the Hornsent of the Manse are responsible for it- and maybe they are in harboring Nanaya, (who seems to have brought it with her)- and in doing so, make the Frenzy in the forest unbelievably strong. The "confusion that inquisitions bring" is the realization some have that the inquisition's methods are exacerbating the issue, and yet the inquisition does not stop. This also explains the manse's confusion as to their persecution.
@chrisdaughen5257
22 күн бұрын
What if there wasn't any madness at all and Nanaya/Shabriri lied to the inquisitors that Midra was up to something? Kind of like the Merchants under Lyndell.
@isabelcartwright9022
23 күн бұрын
I think its possible that nanaya is against the frenzied flame -- her former lover was afflicted with the flame and died (thus becoming the torch), so she swore to stop any and all manifestations of the flame. When she says 'endure,' she might mean 'don't succumb to the temptation to despair and give in to the flame.'
@athelise
21 күн бұрын
the fact that she would be 2-0 for frenzied lovers is a bit of a red flag no matter how you slice it.
@santiagoarroyave3219
24 күн бұрын
may vaati take the lore! OH, MAY VAATI TAKE THE LORE!
@braydenbarney3158
24 күн бұрын
Vaati… is lore… incarnate.
@ibrahimkondos6742
23 күн бұрын
How do i save a comment
@suckurmum6821
23 күн бұрын
Praise the message
@wmdank4918
23 күн бұрын
@@ibrahimkondos6742give them grapes and embrace the Vaati.
@markomega8719
23 күн бұрын
The *depths* of the -foolishness- LORE!!!
@malakarvonstroheim5372
24 күн бұрын
If you look closer into Nanaya's eyes in the picture, you'll notice that they are unnaturally open and fixed, uncanny valley doesn't even begin to describe it, she is Shabriri and this is the one and only time that you get to look behind the Blindfold
@TriforceWisdom64
23 күн бұрын
Uncanny valley...because her eyes are open in the painting???
@robslobonbobscob2267
23 күн бұрын
I dont think thats what uncanny valley means
@benjaminjenkins2384
23 күн бұрын
@@TriforceWisdom64 The uncanny valley refers to a tendency in human psychology in which entities or objects very similar to humans, and very dissimilar to humans, cause no discomfort, but as they approach humanity and are still very obviously off, the perceiver is often unnerved. Basically she's freaking op out
@malakarvonstroheim5372
23 күн бұрын
@@TriforceWisdom64 Look it up, make a close up in the picture and you'll see it
@TriforceWisdom64
23 күн бұрын
@malakarvonstroheim5372 I am staring at a brightened high-res screenshot of the painting, and no, I do not see it. She looks completely normal, unless you consider the little smile not normal. Nothing weird about her eyes.
@Meese12
22 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1638">27:18</a> i mean given that we learn via Hyetta accepting the frenzied flame "melts" your eyes out of their sockets, blindfolds seem like a bit more of a necessity than a choice. I say "melts" because while its true many frenzied enemies are missing their eyes, the eyes we feed her throughout her quest are notably unmelted. They are, however, soft like grapes and easily removed. Perhaps the blindfolds are a way to prevent your eyeballs from simply burning out of your head, and by extension a way to not completely give in to frenzy. All 4 frenzy-affected NPCs with human models, Hyetta, Shabriri, Vyke, and now this guy, all keep their eyes covered. They all have some level of control over the frenzied flame, where all other enemies stand nearly completely still in agony until provoked. Furthermore, the only NPC involved in the frenzied flame quest that doesnt have a facial covering is also the only one with no deeper connection to it and no control over it - Edgar the Revenger. I also saw someone else suggest that blindfold has less to do with madness and more with "blind fate" in general, in which case it would fit that the only characters who could somewhat tame frenzy would have to show that symbol of faith. Edit: <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1527">25:27</a> and look at that, the spirits within the manse wear blindfolds. If we believe that the manse was unharmed by the frenzied flame before the inquisition came along, this would corroborate my theory. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2627">43:47</a> And it seems like Nanaya also likes to keep her eyes veiled. Not fully covered, but she seemed to be operating undercover. Of course there are also the Nomadic Merchants, who seem to have a much healthier relationship with the frenzied flame and have managed to go without blindfolds, but their eyes are still pretty clearly fucked. I have no clue what's going on with them.
@TheBestOfAll2010
23 күн бұрын
I love the fact that if you want the flame of frenzy to properly take over and make sure that nobody can stop you, you'd have to progress normally up to farum azula. With Melina gone, you'd have to wipe out everyone in the shadow realm as well and THEN inherit the flame of frenzy and finish the game. There wouldn't be anyone alive that we know of that could stop you in that situation. Oh and I checked, if Melina lights up the Erdtree and THEN you get the frenzy flame ending, that last bit of the cutscene doesn't happen any more, meaning she's gone for good
@grimmixide
23 күн бұрын
Something happens in a cutscene if she's alive??
@SabreArchon
23 күн бұрын
@@grimmixideshe reveals her gloam-eye and swears to bring destined death to the Tarnished of No Renown.
@ozunumondragon1369
22 күн бұрын
I came here to say this. All true. I did this exact thing on my DLC run. I started a new playthrough after a year long break and half way through was like, you know what let's fucking burn this place down...
@erdnuz2014
22 күн бұрын
@@SabreArchon and she finds the burned Spectral Steed Whistle where the Erdtree once stood, Torrent having burned
@lunettesfumees1312
22 күн бұрын
@@erdnuz2014 not just burned, but screaming in pain while being charred by the frenzied flame, able to burn even souls
@MHoM.
24 күн бұрын
Retitle it to “the lore of elden ring is maddening”
@freddymeisner
24 күн бұрын
He might be saving that title for a future video, that’s a good one tho
@TehPwnographer
23 күн бұрын
Insane is way better SEO unfortunately. Algorithm always trumps creativity ):
@shauryakumar1423
23 күн бұрын
@@TehPwnographer Algorithm having brainrot😂
@LawfulBased
23 күн бұрын
Leonidas: *_" Madness...? THIS ' IS ' MIDRA!!! "_*
@genesisvalkyrie1592
23 күн бұрын
"elden ring situation is crazy"
@celticdash
22 күн бұрын
In the discussion chamber, if you look on the floor you can see large scorch marks with what seems to be fingerprint marks in it. Meaning midra must have taken in the 3 fingers
@celticdash
22 күн бұрын
I think that might be what the great crime was but it's speculation so yeah
@martingonzalez3629
24 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="630">10:30</a> the inspiration for this idea is likely from Greek mythology where Chaos is the primordial void from which everything in the universe was born. It is not a deity in the traditional sense but rather the state of existence before the cosmos was formed. Chaos is often described as a vast, dark, formless expanse. From Chaos emerged the first primordial deities, including Gaia (Earth), Tartarus (the Underworld), Eros (Love), Erebus (Darkness), and Nyx (Night). This is lines up quite nicely with everyones favorite Shabriri quote "MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD"
@-k-b-
23 күн бұрын
In the trailer I wasn't even sure what Midra was supposed to be, I thought he'd be some Aspect Of The Crucible monk or something. The reveal that he was a frenzied lord was AMAZING and so genius.
@autruff18
23 күн бұрын
And the swampy area in front of his manse from the reveal trailer was thought to be deathblight swamp 😅
@-k-b-
23 күн бұрын
@@autruff18 exactly lol thank god it wasn't that honestly
@jacobkern2060
23 күн бұрын
@@autruff18 It was, in fact, far worse than a deathblight swamp
@rutghost6604
23 күн бұрын
I think the torch itself is also an important symbol. Human spine with Frenzied Flame on top of it. To Shabriri (Nanaya) Frenzied Lords are just tools to burn everything down. Tarnished and Midra are torches which need to be fueled with anguish and suffering before they are ready to set the world ablaze. If Nanaya came to the manor and shared the knowledge about the Frenzied Flame it would also make sense that she is the one who told Hornsent about forbidden studies in the manor. She just prepared the ground so that Midra's flame can eventually ripen.
@crashbandicootnerd4321
24 күн бұрын
Midra is my most favorite boss of all time. Love his lore, his build-up, everything. Torrent being scared and the spooky messages on the ground made this MY best experience of Shadow Of The Edtree, Messmer and Bayle very close behind.
@scottwilly86
23 күн бұрын
I loved the Manse but the Abyssal Woods just felt so big and empty. Just a whole lot of nothing to explore
@TheSaladin777
23 күн бұрын
The reason for torrent being scared made no sense other than to make you stealth past the lanterns. Terrible game design and apparently now lore wise an empyrean/god level spirit mount can now be “scared”… such BS
@briggadamandem807
23 күн бұрын
@@TheSaladin777because frenzy doesn’t just kill the body it destroys the “soul” (spirit ) of things ,that’s why torrent is scared and you can’t summon ashes if frenzy touches them they are “dead” forever
@crespan5549
23 күн бұрын
how about i come over there and kiss you passionately
@crashbandicootnerd4321
23 күн бұрын
@@scottwilly86 I agree 100%. There are a lot of areas that were empty, much to my disappointment.
@unironicallylikesranger7122
23 күн бұрын
The way the rune evolved in the chapter breaks for 1,2, and 3 really had me expecting it to resolve into loss. That’s some frenzy right there
@lilylohmann614
22 күн бұрын
“Loss is irl frenzy” is not the take I was expecting, but you’re 100% correct
@T-roccBABY
23 күн бұрын
This game forever changed my intake of grapes 🍇 I can't not think of Shabriri grapes, especially during the popping sensation of biting down.
@canadianbacon5512
23 күн бұрын
I find it curious a significant amount of frenzied flame attacks involve grappling. It makes me think that these individuals, scorned and spat upon by the brethren or others, seek someone for comfort, and embrace them. But either due to the frenzied flames affliction itself, or a desire to drag the other person to their level, they harm them. Inflicting frenzy upon them.
@G102Y5568
23 күн бұрын
concepts of comfort appear surprisingly often in texts around madness. The grapes are called "sweet", death is called "mercy", infecting someone with madness is called a "gift", attacks often involve "embrace". The Outer God genuinely believes that it brings peace to other through their erasure. So it's no wonder that the attacks have this facade of being friendly and comforting, when in fact they are painful and torturous.
@jgravemans6076
23 күн бұрын
It's like how when someone goes to rescue a drowning person and ends up getting dragged down themselves to the other person struggling
@Gin-dono
23 күн бұрын
You say a significant amount, but isn’t it just the one incantation, the main attack of the Winter Lanterns, and first phase Midra grab, which is arguably just the incantation ?
@DarlingDreadful
16 күн бұрын
I almost think Miquella discovered his idea for the unalloyed needle from the Hornsent. The sword of damnation is made from some sort of gold and is clearly suppressing the flame of frenzy from overtaking Midra. That would also explain why the sword has barbs to prevent it from being removed. There are also the gold objects embedded into the necks of the bodies in front of the manse that are meant to do the same, maybe even preventing those bodies from changing into aging untouchables
@Loyd64
23 күн бұрын
Counter theory- Nanaya WAS kind and gentle, and earned Midra's full trust. She dies during childbirth or the child is birthed too early, and she dies of heartbreak. Shabriri takes over, Midra and everyone else, none the wiser
@monsieurdorgat6864
23 күн бұрын
Then how did she get the torch? She has to have gotten it from a far away land. And brought it to the mansion. For frenzy reasons.
@Loyd64
23 күн бұрын
@monsieurdorgat6864 could have been brought there from someone else, which is what caused Nanaya to be corrupted/taken over. We know it's called Nanaya's torch, but as far as I can tell, it's only called that because that's where we found it. Unless the Japanese description actual describes it as hers in full. it could have been another's torch Shabriri/another brought with them in another body, before taking over Nanaya's as he saw potential in Midra. It is a bit if stretch, but it isn't exactly beyond possibility for Shabriri/others connected to the frenzied flame to body hop until they saw another with potential[Or someone else other than Shabriri with his exact same goals in mind, and willing to be more cruel]
@monsieurdorgat6864
23 күн бұрын
@@Loyd64 Well, it's getting into disbelieving what the title implies, and without a hint telling us to. "Nanaya's Torch" uses its 's to imply ownership. And we're given no hints to imply it wasn't hers the whole time - so it seems we're supposed to imply it always belonged to her. Motives could be complex - we definitely could speculate that she was always a shell for Shabriri, but at least that much could follow from the other canon hints without us disbelieving the canon text without a hint to do so.
@Loyd64
23 күн бұрын
@monsieurdorgat6864 I agree, not the best well strung theory with that, and maybe I should've worded it better. It could have belonged to whoever shabriri controlled first, then when they moved into Nanaya, they kept the torch with them, and that's not likely without any other hints. It's only based on the fact as far as I can tell[Would need to really dive on item descriptions just incase], nothing mentions her having it outside of its namesake and description, and the portrait suggests she may have been pregnant, which would be something Shabriri would love to get rid of, and her dying because of either complications or heartbreak over her child is within at least the realm possibility. Other than that, prolly one of the less likely theories to be true, just a fun one to speculate.
@theta8529
23 күн бұрын
Maybe Nanaya Fell to Frenzy on her own?
@chaoticgoodcreations947
23 күн бұрын
A very interesting complaint about the Abyssal Woods I've heard is that a lot of people do not like that there is so little there. It is incredibly contentless, especially compared to other areas that have maps tied to them. But I think that has always been the point. That the Abyssal Woods represent what the Frenzied Flame will eventually lead to. There is literally nothing of note besides a single NPC and a few wandering monstrosities who can not even look at things without afflicting it with some form of pain. The only way you could think that such an environment is better, is if you utterly hate what was there before. And that is exactly what the Frenzied Flame aims for.
@metalmonster9536
23 күн бұрын
True, but I still would prefer seeing more variants of monsters twisted by the madness or at least more hide and seek that comes out unexpectedly.
@eviltoad746
23 күн бұрын
I've been saying this exact thing since I first saw complaints about it. There's not going to be a lot there because everything is either dead or mad, and the whole area is forbidden by the denizens of the land its in
@fernandofaria2872
23 күн бұрын
Ah, yes. The old "it's bad on purpose" argument.
@chaoticgoodcreations947
23 күн бұрын
@@fernandofaria2872 You have a better alternative? I provided you my reasoning so would you like to tell me how you would have improved it?
@fernandofaria2872
23 күн бұрын
@@chaoticgoodcreations947 V E R T I C A L I T Y
@Tangent_Frank
22 күн бұрын
Just finished the DLC, Midra was easily my favorite boss, not too hard, not too easy, took a very reasonable amount of tries (for me, not everyone has the same experience)
@1LogHalley
23 күн бұрын
the 2 fingers and the 3 fingers might represent a split in the greater will. like marika split with radagon as they had conflicting ideas, with marika breaking the elden ring and radagon trying to repair it; like miquella split with st. trina, as they had conflicting ideas, with miquella wanting to become a god and st trina not wanting to. the fingers are used to "hear" and "interpret" the split greater will. the 2 fingers lead to hearing the split part of the greater will related to the tree and order. the 3 fingers lead to hearing the split part of the greater will related to fire and chaos. as the greater will itself has conflicting ideas, the fingers must split in order to "succeed" in some way. they can't succeed without splitting up. like if the 2 sides of the brain sabotaged each other, and only by splitting they can excel. but then they still end up fighing, like marika fought radagon about breaking/fixing the elden ring, like st trina asking you to stop miquella, like the frenzied flame burning the erdtree. (as fire and wood are "opposed")
@IsaLovesAspargus
23 күн бұрын
You know the Aging Untouchables are truly scaring when your Dog suddenly jumps out of your lap and starts growling/barking at the TV screen during their section of the video. Guess he'll become afflicted as well, will have confirmation once his eyes catch fire 😭💀
@thisisfyne
22 күн бұрын
Isn't it possible that the torch is actually from Midra himself? The intro of the boss fight always gave me the impression that the spikes of the weapon torturing Midra were kinda replacing his spine and ribcage, even holding him together. It's possible that the Inquisitors removed his spine to prevent his head from turning into frenzied flame, which Frenzied Lords all have. As a result, maybe the spine sparked a (non-sentient) flame and Midra kept his human head, but was pieced back together with something intending to torture him for his heresy? If so, Nanaya kept it close because she did truly care for Midra and his suffering.
@wafflesinsanity
24 күн бұрын
Three more things I wanted to bring up. The plants that chime and attract the Aged ones, if you look closely, they are a similar asset to the grapes. I believe the idea of "grapes" came from these fruit, not just the similarity of eyeballs to grapes. There may well be a frenzy grape that originally was not an eyeball. Second, if you listen closely to the music from Midras fight, you can hear the same music from the merchants, the same song they play, but quiet and distorted, about halfway thought. It's barely noticeable, and even more difficult to recognize in the fight, but its there. Just an interesting note. Lastly, I want to point out that when you originally approach Midra, and even AFTER dying and coming back.... you can leave, at any time. You never HAVE to kill him. You can go in the room and walk away. He warns you what will happen. You make him turn. You create the Lord of Frenzy. You push him over the edge of his suffering after enduing so long. Its rare we can leave a boss fight, or upon return there is no fog wall. This is one of the few times you are given so bold of a choice to "turn back." I wish Fromsoft would have done more with that decision, and this entire area. Where is my Frenzy Dragon.
@garybrown2039
24 күн бұрын
Me: (Finds the entrence to the Abyssal woods. The site is ominous and dark, but not really too different when compared to other areas in From Software's titles) Me: "hmm, another swamp" Torrent: (Screams and runs away in fear of something i can't sense) Me: "Oh no..." Miyazaki: "You see, young tarnished, you're not dealing with the average dungeon/level anymore. "
@KissedByFire16
23 күн бұрын
Midra's power is Maximum
@ArachnoParadox
23 күн бұрын
i imagine miyazaki was very tortured to find out he had to make a swamp that doesnt poison you directly
@DirtSpud
23 күн бұрын
@@ArachnoParadox yeah I was expecting Miyazaki to make a death blight swamp lol the swamp to end all swamps
@BioshadowX
23 күн бұрын
Chaos in media is frequently related to entropy. Entropy is the slow march to the heat death of the universe, when everying stops and becomes the same, having no energy
@LANBobYonson
23 күн бұрын
I think Nanaya holding the frenzy torch just shows she had tried this before and her lord was too weak but she kept his spine and voidless head somehow and ran. Nanaya might’ve been the one who brought the inquisitors down all as a plan to torture Midra to ripen because the first lord wasn’t good enough and she needed more suffering and the hornsent cause more suffering than any other race so midra made a fine one. But not as good as tarnished.
@noodlelynoodle.
23 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure the torch is just what remains of their child together that didn't survive the amount of frenzy in the area
@hannahbanana9842
23 күн бұрын
"Aged" in relation to the aging untouchables also makes me think of wine and how we "age" wine to make it better. And what is wine made of? Grapes.
@Vixzo-1
24 күн бұрын
Vaati finally dropped a lore video i been praying for times like these 😭😭
@lukebarroso449
24 күн бұрын
Me the first time seeing Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!
@magnusravenriver
23 күн бұрын
Considering the similarities between the golden arcs of the inquisition and the rune arc marika is crucified on I think it's also worth noting the visual similarity between the spiral greatsword embedded in midras stomach/chest and the elden ring showing in radagon's chest/stomach during his fight. Marika/radagon isn't just crucified on the arc of the elden ring, like with midra it impales them from within as well.
@The_Rizzen
24 күн бұрын
Midra was by far my favourite DLC fight/cut scene
@KeplerOC
23 күн бұрын
THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLESHNESS (BAYLE WAS 10000 TIMAES BETTER)
@TheTheKraven
23 күн бұрын
I really wish his cutscene wouldn't fade to black to make it even more brutal and unsettling
@nicholasarenas1587
23 күн бұрын
The soundtrack for his fight is my favorite in the game by far
@blankdark7784
23 күн бұрын
In Midra theme you can hear the merchants melody from the shunning ground it’s more disturbing and chaotic to fit the boss fight.
@seb1520
22 күн бұрын
Gonna be honest I immediately was the most excited for a vaati video the moment I fought Midra
@critconk
23 күн бұрын
So basically you're telling me, Midra EDGED for his maiden and that made him a lord of frenzied flame? Bout to let chaos take the world with this one 🔥🔥🔥
@paradox5384
20 күн бұрын
The whole Abyss was Midra's personal gooncave
@xVibra
23 күн бұрын
The embracing, cradling, and the act of even seeing the burning embrace of the Three Fingers as a blessing is an analogy for Buddhism and a case for asceticism. The more you coddle a child, the more harm you do to them once they must split away from you. Embracing, reciprocating the same feelings for someone, empathizing with someone's pain; it's a parallel to order and chaos, but also as harmful as cutting them down where they stand. You can only soothe the sick, and relieve those who are suffering. Where there is pleasure, there is suffering. It's a foundational belief in Buddhism of why desire is the root of all suffering. No matter the endeavors, and even the desire to not desire and become enlightened, you'll still be suffering in pursuit of it. There's a level of sadism and masochism in it, as if the suffering can give meaning to the world, and that may be why Shabriri and Nanaya have that slight smile. The power of chaos can rival the order that brought it into being, and that must be so validating to know that all that suffering wasn't for nothing. It's why the sick and meek in Christianity are seen as virtuous and holy, and why the torture of a man affixed to one of the world's worst torture devices is the symbol of the religion.
@EldenRingplayer407
23 күн бұрын
So according to Buddhism, instead of attempting to obtain worldly desires, or abstaining from worldly desires, worldly desires should be treated as come-and-go concepts? Or take what desires are given, and don’t cling to what doesn’t remain?
@xVibra
23 күн бұрын
@@EldenRingplayer407 I'm very critical of buddhism and think it's a major cope, so I'm probably not the best place to ask. Basically abstaining from wanting anything is the best way to acheive enlightenment. That's asceticism, and there's variance to how convicted people are to it. Some people just need to get away from their vices, and turn to it while others are already good at dealing with suffering. What enlightenment is in the first place is beyond me, but it's practiced to prevent yourself from falling into a cycle of desiring. When you feel suffering or pain, you're supposed to isolate it from who you are. Basically listen to pain akin to hearing a fire alarm, and in doing so, you're able to avoid giving in to desire and think rationally about what to do about the fire alarm. Sometimes the fire alarm is wrong, and there is no fire, so you go straight to the source and turn it off. Other times it's right, but making the decision that yields the most pleasure isn't going to put out the fire; akin to just abandoning the building. That's the goal anyway. Often times when you're in retreats practicing buddhism, you're explicitly harming yourself to get better at dealing with suffering. Fasting, stimulus deprivation, long meditative sessions sitting in one place, physical labor, etc. Obviously you can't get rid of desire, and even desiring to not desire is a desire in it of itself, but it's just a way to practice turning suffering into an effective motivation instead of a destructive one. To explicitly answer the question, desires are often something you should second and triple guess, and avoiding them usually means avoiding unceccessary suffering.
@wahterr6281
16 сағат бұрын
That Nanaya/Shabriri idea gave me GOOSEBUMPS. Such a chilling theory that I haven't heard before.
@traceantonacci2495
23 күн бұрын
I never realized that the winter lantern flies were actually corrupted eyeballs. Also if you walk around the outside of the mense you can see scorch marks at the top of the windows. Another thing, If you're having trouble getting around the aging untouchables use the black knife torso piece, the concealing veil, and shattershard arrows to lure them away from you.
@beggar6042
23 күн бұрын
Everything about the frenzied flame adds so much to the story, it's by far the most interesting out of the outer gods meddling in the lands between, visually stunning, unknowingly horrific, even choosing the Frenzy Ending and getting that extra scene of being hunted down by a former friend, it's such good writing.
@BygoneContraption
23 күн бұрын
I won't lie, I never even found this area in my first playthrough of the DLC. Great video as always!
@athelise
21 күн бұрын
I couldn't find the cerulean coast for the longest time and found this instead. Wish I had reversed that find!
@BygoneContraption
21 күн бұрын
@@athelise I understand, this place looks like a terrible time.
@LukasDavies
23 күн бұрын
I just got to the Abyssal Woods and something that stood out to me is that the only animals not affected by madness seem to be the owls. I do not know if their is any significance to that but, it seems odd considering the setting.
@CommandoFett
24 күн бұрын
Both the Mansion and the Woods are easily my favorite zones in terms of ambiance in all of Elden Ring.
@anonisnoone6125
24 күн бұрын
If only the woods actually had something else of value in them aside from the atmosphere.
@nicholaspelz9422
23 күн бұрын
@@anonisnoone6125it has some cool weapons and a talisman for frenzy builds
@buckyhurdle4776
23 күн бұрын
@@nicholaspelz9422 and 3 scadoodle
@AtomicZamurai
23 күн бұрын
@@anonisnoone6125this is like 50% of bloodborne. It has atmosphere and lore but nothing really special. In my opinion the abyssal woods should've been tighter and nothing else. It's too big for making it horror inducing plus we can't ride torrent. But they did a good job because I was really freaking out at some times
@kimashitawa8113
23 күн бұрын
My favorite is the Hinterlands with the Shaman Village but that is an other kind of ambience
@anastasiyaandryeyeva2297
17 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2768">46:08</a> perhaps the loss of Midra's child was Nanaya's point of succumbing to her own frenzy due to maternal grief, and that's what could have allowed Shabriri to take over her?
@norsethenomad5978
17 күн бұрын
Still doesn’t explain why the dead child would be a lord of frenzy, and have 0 lore about it
@sparklepawz1185
24 күн бұрын
Midra, suffering his punishment: *NYAAARGH* Me, whipping out a funny blue rock: *UUHAHHUHAAH*
@JaydigainsCoaching
23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2661">44:21</a> also interesting is the idiom “carrying a torch” for someone means to secretly be in love with them. Nanaya may be literally and figuratively holding a torch for a former lord-to-be while cultivating Midra
@sigismasigisma
23 күн бұрын
don't think that was the intent, have to remember the game is written and thought about in Japanese, unless they also have an equivalent expression
@stratosmactra4405
23 күн бұрын
I think The Madding Hand probably wears a blindfold because his eyes were melted <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1628">27:08</a>
@nyxmoonveil
23 күн бұрын
The more I learn about the Hornsent, the less I like them. Seems like before Marika's Golden Order, they were responsible for countless suffering across the land. One could argue that Marika would never have created the Golden Order if not for the Hornsent and their depraved practices.
@monsieurdorgat6864
23 күн бұрын
Yes, but keep in mind Marika's Golden Order is no better. The entire point is that whoever is in charge will create injustice and oppression. Injustice breeds more injustice.
@Majere613
23 күн бұрын
"They were never saints. They were just on the losing side of a war..."
@kimashitawa8113
23 күн бұрын
I agree BUT the Frenzied Flame in your land is like the threat of a nuclear weapon. Their inquisition of Midra only made it worse, but i do get the heavy reaction.
@prince_nox
23 күн бұрын
IM CRYING my video started buffering at the perfect moment to hear Vaati say "I touched him, but only once. When he thrust his--" 😂😂😂
@chironmoon3905
20 күн бұрын
My interpretation of the high priest hat is that the lightless abyss is what was left behind after the frienzied flame was separated from the one great. This could also explain why it's called the abyssal woods, the abyss represents the frienzied flame that was removed. Also, the duality between destruction and creation, light and dark, is what creates life in this world, so it would explain why astel is the natural born of the void; whilst humans formed from the stardust left by the great rupture, astel was born directly of it.
@belcomet27
23 күн бұрын
It could be that the 'distant land' is actually the Land of Reeds where Nanaya may have come from. If we go by the theory of Nanaya being Shabriri, it would also shed light on why Yura's body was the one taken as host by Shabriri. Perhaps it's due to Yura being a familiar body who hailed from the same lands?
@Seraphim_1172
23 күн бұрын
I don't remember the lore of Shabriri well but I know that Nanaya couldn't be Shabriri, since he existed as a completely different character living out different events that led to him becoming who he is today. That leads me to my personal theory - Nanaya earned Midra's full trust, right? So then it's doubtful she was possessed by Shabriri at the time. But something must've happened to her afterward, after she gains his trust, that she died and Shabriri immediately took over without anyone being able to tell something was off - until it was too late.
@normanbates7373
23 күн бұрын
As I posted already in another lore comment: I guess, the "long time ago.. In a distant land" is a reference to the lands between someone like Vyke, or maybe it is even Vyke (the one imprisoned we fight is not the version which is already touched by frenzy... This version invades us near the tower of frenzy... So maybe... when we are fighting Vyke, we akways fight our future self wo took this path of destruction (keep in mind we do always a little time travel to farum azula / we travel to a space where time no longer exists... It's possible we are always afterwards in a different dimension when the tree burns.. I mean.. Vyke is on the cover of the game
@optimalrefundable
24 күн бұрын
me now when I get a dumb email at work: 🗣🗣🗣 THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS
@Drakescythe9
23 күн бұрын
Notice that inquisitions in From Soft games have a ha it of going poorly. In Bloodborne, the church sent inquisitors to Castle Cainhurst, and while that was on the face of it a success because they slaughtered the people, the y ultimately failed because the Vileblood queen couldn't be killed. Meanwhile, in Elden Ring, they sent inquisitors to the manor and seem to have succeeded inside, but everyone outside has lost their minds. Neat.
@PedroApp
24 күн бұрын
I have a trip tomorrow, guess what I'm listening, thank you
@aaronsharma
24 күн бұрын
Have a safe trip Pedro
@lilylohmann614
4 күн бұрын
Something I’ve yet to see anyone mention is the way the weapon shifts to aid him after Midra pulls it out of himself. The two things that were eternally torturing him are what aids him in fighting you, which goes insanely hard
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