The Moral Maze BBC 2 Broadcast 10 September 1994 Presenter: Michael Buerk Producer: David Coomes Dr David Starkey Janet Daley Edward Pearce Dr David Cook
So lovely to find and watch this thankyou for posting it up. Edward Pearce is my father, he passed away 3 years ago this week so I thought I'd see if I could find anything like this to watch. Do you have any more of these available to upload?
@davidmiller4078
10 ай бұрын
Never knew this went on telly but it does remind me a bit of the satyrical Smith and Jones Late night Chats ?
@Uberloinvongenchler
11 жыл бұрын
how is it possible to argue that there will not be enough food to feed a growing population when a population cannot grow without food? the only way a population can grow is by a surplus of food.
@Tony-1971
7 жыл бұрын
Janet Daley gets it. Shes a legend.
@MarlboroughBlenheim1
2 жыл бұрын
This is when the BBC was a credible platform putting intellectual rigour and reasoned debates, and different voices, at the centre. Fast forward 30 years and you would not be invited on if you held a non woke view or you would be brought on and castigated.
@OldHickory7
4 жыл бұрын
It's exponential growth. The immoral thing to do is wait until growth can't be stemmed, until mass death pursues as a result. Death from natural causes from a hellhole polluted planet nightmare we would barely live in. living on top of each other killing the world, all the animals, all resources and ourselves. What is the most benevolent moral way to prevent total self-destruction? It's only a matter of time. Just faster than you think because of exponential growth. But you never hear discussions about limiting family sizes for the greater good. Why?
@OldHickory7
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe limit the number of female babies to one, but allow families to have as many boys as they want. That's usually what families want anyways. Although that solution doesn't exist because it's basically impossible. But that might be the most moral option for those who want to have as much sex and baby making as they want, which is really the root of it. People think you're trying to take their sex away from them. If the population increased, not from fucking, but just by the means of requesting more people to magically pop into our existence (like in a video game) or fly in to stay from some other planet, for example. Then would we still be asking for billions of more of them? If the sheer numbers of them are making life worse for everyone, why would we ask for more of what is making things worse for all living earthlings (animals and plants species included)? At what point do you reconfigure your morals, for the greater good? That lady had some points but arguing that capitalism is the problem was not one. The industrial based economy from capitalism is the only reason why we can have a functionary large population. Needed for waste, hygiene, industrial amounts of food and it's transport. You can thank capitalism for allowing for your life and the ease of it. But even in capitalism can't still maintain it at a certain amount of populist.
@OldHickory7
4 жыл бұрын
I lived out in Africa and they couldn't understand how everything is done in the west with big machines. I was trying to help them out on the farm with it being all manual labor to produce very small harvests, never enough for a surplus to export. I don't have the type of energy as they still do because they work 100% manual labor everyday. And it still gives them much less. As much as they would love to have our tractors and automobiles, they do not have that kind of money. If they want this, they have to make trade deals like the kiwi deals he's talking about. They have to trade with those who create these machines. It's their choice. They can live on their own if they want to. But just like we don't want to go back to living everyday busting our backs. They don't want to do that either, if given a choice. It's all of our choices. I tried to do it all on my own, busting my back too, but eventually I gave into liking capitalism better. I have to go to the gym to strengthen my back muscles now. Not sure if I should feel bad about having to go to the gym to be healthy rather than it being a byproduct of the manual labor we used to do before capitalism.
@davidparry5310
Жыл бұрын
Capitalism is a very big part of why much of the global south is denied access to the technology of which you speak, just as surely as it is in very significant measure responsible for engendering the invention of such technology in the first place.
@naveedrafiq7923
Жыл бұрын
BBC2 Continuity On Saturday 10th September 1994.
@AreopagiticanEco-Nationalist
11 жыл бұрын
I'm not criticising population GROWTH, just over-population, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying we either avoid it or face bigger problems.
@michaelterrell1939
4 жыл бұрын
Broadcast 1994 32:39 "think we should be prepared for an invasion from the 3rd world?" 🤣
@OldSkoolUncleChris
Жыл бұрын
Somalia
@yendytok
4 жыл бұрын
Everyones a fluffy one
@oliwheeler7136
10 жыл бұрын
Lets start project Utopia! (Channel 4)
@aaronwildeofficial
10 жыл бұрын
And if there is not enough food for the population to grow, you're okay with the way that will balance out? - ie mass starvation...
@korruptnovellst4751
8 жыл бұрын
haha that Catholic woman was a trip
@fabrizio483
7 жыл бұрын
Short of rape and similar circumstances, abortion should have been made totally unnecessary in an era of unprecedented access to birth control. This applies, of course, to the West, not to other parts of the world where access to contraceptives continue to be severely restricted. Thus, one must conclude that the population increase comes down to personal responsibility. That, of course, was the case, before mass Islamic immigration to European countries, where we now face unprecedented levels of economic uncertainty due to mass governmental borrowing in order to pay for the well fare state.
@davidparry5310
7 жыл бұрын
'Short of rape and similar circumstances, abortion should have been made totally unnecessary in an era of unprecedented access to birth control.' No form of birth control is 100% foolproof - well, no form of birth control short of abstaining from penile-vaginal intercourse altogether. You do realise that, don't you? 'where we now face unprecedented levels of economic uncertainty due to mass governmental borrowing in order to pay for the well fare state.' That state of affairs has nothing to do with Muslim immigration and everything to do with globalised capitalism.
@indodaemdaka
11 жыл бұрын
Well the "moral problem" you're referring to is at best a hypothetical one, since over population growth isn't necessarily a bad thing as not too long ago due to the black plague, the population was facing negative growth in the population. Just when we think we've quantified the bounty on earth, more pops up from unlikely sources, and time isn't static as well. Hence unless you've quantified and control everything in the world, you cannot make this call buddy.
@syedadeelhussain2691
Жыл бұрын
Malthusian economics didn't prove right in the past. It was so wrong! But, the argument presented these days is that people in the East should worry more about high fertility rates than those in the West, due to lack of income and other resources? Wrong! Western greying, and that of Japan and China is as much worrisome as the fertility growth rate spike we see in Pakistan, Egypt, India, Indonesia, and Bangladesh (which to some extent has controlled its birth rate), etc.
@indodaemdaka
11 жыл бұрын
And who made you master of the world?
@OldHickory7
4 жыл бұрын
It's exponential growth. The immoral thing is wait until growth can't be stemmed until mass death pursues. Death from natural causes of the hellhole polluted nightmare we would be in. living on top of each other killing the world, all the animals, all resources and ourselves. What is the most benevolent moral way to prevent total self-destruction? It's only a matter of time. Just faster than you think because of exponential growth. But you never hear discussions about limiting family sizes for the greater good. Why?
@celestialteapot3310
7 жыл бұрын
not much of a panel, as usual
@aaronwildeofficial
10 жыл бұрын
25:30 Starkey seems to be of the idea that the West is not wealthy because of plunder, but then goes on to cite examples that are plundered as a contrast to Africa, so as to say Africa is not plundered. How can he have it both ways?
@fabrizio483
7 жыл бұрын
The West isn't wealthy because of plunder. The West is wealthy because of its intellectual and practical innovations. Pillaging is an unfortunately very human trait and it has been found in all peoples and civilisations.
@davidparry5310
7 жыл бұрын
'The West is wealthy because of its intellectual and practical innovations.' ... many of which have been facilitated through imperialism, which involved trainloads of plunder.
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