What do you all think? Deliberate exploit of a game mechanic, or accidental bug? Let us know. Once again huge thanks to all of the folks out there for helping us with the research on this. Big love to Sco from Method, Cloze and Starym from Nihilum and many others who chose not to be named. A shame we couldn't speak to Lewt himself about this so if anyone knows him or if you watch it. Please do get in touch.
@sebastianbergstl4423
7 ай бұрын
now do muru kills, the second one somehow isnt registered as world second. by numen silvermoon eu, 15 mins after sk gaming. search the video, i think theres two
@theossy
7 ай бұрын
I think… this is fucking solid content Preach
@Murks33
7 ай бұрын
Using the modern post-squish tooltips of level 70 items being level 27 with minimal stats lacks that ooomph of a good item, would be cool to grab the more accurate ones off of the classic wowhead database instead.
@rvrside10291
7 ай бұрын
Great video once again. But OMG, I can't believe you put in a Wirtual reference! xD
@TheChunkeyNinja
7 ай бұрын
@@Murks33 Yep that was my bad. Was on a tight timeframe so was just missed during the edit.
@john77941
7 ай бұрын
Dude, you found a great series to make. These are so interesting and I love the Unsolved Mysteries vibe!
@TheMMObro
7 ай бұрын
Found? :p This is actually an old series be used to do!! They're awesome!!
@avelinamizone6653
7 ай бұрын
Mate this aint new this one of the oldest series he has
@bhaines2209
7 ай бұрын
When the lore and game has gotten so bad, you have to repost old content about 20 year old lore 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@mikeymikeshooms3581
6 ай бұрын
Best type of content
@nfc14g
6 ай бұрын
Yes haha that vibe nails it
@RunicSoulEater
7 ай бұрын
Preach is so GOOD at telling stories, he should think about doing it more often.
@OldGorilla
7 ай бұрын
He is, but he sure isn't a model you want to use for selling T-shirts.
@jaymzOG
7 ай бұрын
I mean he does it every friday for Drama Time lol.
@Tekkommo
7 ай бұрын
Is this sarcasm? 🤣 It's literally what he does lol
@MT-so2mk
6 ай бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if he'd make a good DM in DnD
@slo6990
7 ай бұрын
The opening "holla ballas" completely deadpan was perfect, you're on fire Preach
@Dudeidunno
7 ай бұрын
Imagine you're in that situation; a boss that nobody in the world has killed. It's on 1hp, you realize you have a soulstone and the ability to instantly do damage. How many of us wouldn't take that shot, either out of pure selfishness or solely because it'd be kinda funny if it worked It's so relatable, and that makes me think it's true.
@andrewcrawford8306
7 ай бұрын
You have no idea how happy it makes me to see you doing Legacy content again. Still rewatch Legacy of Wrath and TBC to this day. With Cata coming maybe we finally get Legacy of Cataclysm?
@seifyk
7 ай бұрын
The Wirtual tribute was wonderful.
@ahm6990
7 ай бұрын
this!
@tunnagan
7 ай бұрын
That got a laugh out of me as soon as I heard the music coming in lol
@gasgano8255
5 ай бұрын
I did NOT see that coming! Greatly done
@Direbeetus
7 ай бұрын
3:51 It hurts my soul to see what mallet of the tides has become
@GSol17
7 ай бұрын
Really should've just used the wowhead TBC tooltip. Ah well.
@Kemyo0
5 ай бұрын
Why does it hurt your soul 😮
@tracidvoyager
4 ай бұрын
@@Kemyo0 1.9 dps, less than a level 2 gray weapon lol. wack ass modern itemization
@wiselaex1234
7 ай бұрын
10:20 glad to see you like wirtual and trackmaina would love to see you play it some time
@georgezachos7322
7 ай бұрын
I don't even play wow anymore, but i enjoy these immensely. You're a good storyteller Preach. 😊
@TWW--AP
7 ай бұрын
I love the new direction of these vids. You’re a great storyteller for all these tales
@PoutineItalienne
7 ай бұрын
I was about to turn 17 when TBC came out. The memories... My god, I'm old...
@demiraichan
5 ай бұрын
Love this and the unsolved mysteries music intro. Can't wait for more
@kalibos
7 ай бұрын
A Twilight Zone intro with the Dark Portal as the door would be awesome
@chrisnutter
7 ай бұрын
That low key 'Holla bollas' right at the top had me 😂
@shadowdragon8168
7 ай бұрын
God, these videos are so freaking good! Please keep it going Preach, I can't wait for the next one!
@Pyrion93
7 ай бұрын
Really looking forward to the next part of this series. You and the team is doing an amazing job with this!
@velocirapturedinosir8164
7 ай бұрын
I love these videos about the history of World firsts
@GoddessPallasAthena
4 ай бұрын
Only the second of this (so far) short series and loving it. With MMOs, so much is about social structures and relationships, and when you have organizations full of egos, and pile stress and burnout on top of it, competitive "win at all costs" mentality, you're bound to get interesting stuff. I remember hearing about a lot of the guilds and various controversies, but I didn't know about THIS part of the history. I hope you continue to make more as it's really compelling stuff!!
@Meffistoe
7 ай бұрын
A long time coming. thank you Mike, I think I heard you talk about this story (before the new info) at least 7 or 8 times before
@andresfonseca3265
7 ай бұрын
Hello Preach, this series is genuinely amazing. I got into WoW in 2019 with Naxx during Classic and have always been so intrigued by the stories behind all the World Firsts. I was 6 years old when all of this happened so def missed out
@Matwho
7 ай бұрын
As someone who took that time way too seriously it still scars me and I'm actually embarrassed lol.
@ZapatosVibes
6 ай бұрын
As someone who was just in a more relaxed semi progression guild at the time, it was so fun to follow along the mystery and mystique of those high end boss you'd hear whispers about... and so cool to hear those in-depth stories from you today. Loving this series!
@shirox11
2 ай бұрын
Even as someone who hasn’t really played WoW for years videos like this interest the hell out of me.
@Rheinguard
13 күн бұрын
I miss the days of XFire, Skype, Teamspeak and Ventrillo. And then the Discord nation invaded, changing everything. I love Discord, but hate that they have essentially monopolized VoIP.
@williamgillespieiii2600
7 ай бұрын
I remember banging my head against a wall with Vashj for months back in the day. SSC was where our guild trimmed the fat, too, as it were. What a nightmare, and it was for like the 1200th kill in the world, too. It had been nerfed to oblivion, and it was still a headache. It was a really good litmus test for who was bad at the game and following directions though. That's the only real positive I remember other than the relief when we finally killed her, and I cursed her so bad my mom wanted to throw hands. Good times. Good video Preach
@DrewPicklesTheDark
7 ай бұрын
Of course by the time I ran SSC and TK, BT was out already so the fights were nerfed to a working state, but I remember actually really liking the Kael fight, but hating the Vashj fight, which a lot of people said were similar (I can at least understand why, since both are a bit hectic, at least in those days). I can't imagine how miserable it must have been to be doing them bugged.
@williamgillespieiii2600
7 ай бұрын
@DrewPicklesTheDark honestly I loved it. Especially the clockwork system we worked out for kiting the stupid tank and mage during phase 1 Kael. Shit was wild. Im pretty sure the tanks had to juggle the shield around. Those were the days. We managed to get Server Kael first and there was a huge celebration in Shattrath for us. I found that fight a lot more enjoyable than Vashj cause most of the kinks had been worked through while we were attempting it. Like it wasn't uncommon for the phase 1 tank to just one shot melee for seemingly no reason. Nostalgia is fun. Hyjal and BT felt like a breeze by comparison. But, like preach said, the guild fat had been trimmed by then.
@OldGorilla
7 ай бұрын
Just waiting for the Paragon episode, although there's no confusion whether they were the best at the taime. These have been awesome Preach, keep it up!
@kaliek5281
6 ай бұрын
The double spawn Lady Vashj is something I had a similar experience with in tBC. My guild was doing Kara and mid-Opera boss (Wizard of Oz one) it bugged out and reset while the Witch was low hp...but she didn't...despawn. Then after a bit the entire thing reset with the original Witch *STILL ACTIVE*. We killed that one, and did the boss again as usual and a second witch spawned. So we indeed got...double loot. Difference for us was that it was 100% unintended and we have 0 clue how we did it or how to recreate it.
@SubstantialSubstance
6 ай бұрын
Man. I miss WoW so gosh darn much. Particularly BC. But, im in my mid 30s now, children, demanding career. You cant really ever get that feeling back; better to let those memories stay memories, rather than chasing the impossible. Occasionally taking nostalgia trip with my boy Preach, cheers
@thetallgrass
7 ай бұрын
Preach is BiS. This man and his team deserve a whole major network television show
@brandonedwards-catt4488
7 ай бұрын
Being a long time player since TBC, even to this day I forget there is a divergent history of WoW between US and EU clients. For instance, early WoW players from Australia were forced to play on US servers before the split into the Oceanic realms that didn't have relative Oceanic latency until late Mists of Pandaria. 200-180ms was the considered average "good" ping for a very long time, some players even becoming used to 500ms and playing accordingly.
@apolloeosphoros4345
6 ай бұрын
yep, that was me. 500ms was normal until like 2010 when for some reason i started getting 200
@ericzman
7 ай бұрын
This content is awesome. Having posted on the EJ forums countless times in that era and being one of the guilds that killed KT shortly after it was "killable", this series hits all the feels. Keep it up, good sir!
@Nightstalker314
7 ай бұрын
That was a weird competition indeed. Talked about this a long time ago with another veteran of WoW. Learned a lot back then.
@KiwiDimi
7 ай бұрын
SSC was my first raid in WOW, I was all heroic-blue geared, wiped all night on Lurker Below, but it was great memories
@CorkScrewer
7 ай бұрын
Would be cool to see an interview with Awake and Kungen now 😂
@Maybeabandaid9
4 ай бұрын
The utter /flipdesk nature of prenerf SSC and TK is why I still use Hand of A'dal on all of my characters on WoW to this day.
@popojaga7312
7 ай бұрын
Love these! Thanks Preach and team!
@Aurongodx
7 ай бұрын
Awesome doc, did you attempt to reach out to Kungen for his take? I know he is all over the place these days but is occasionally still active in WoW.
@Spazxx
6 ай бұрын
Preach! This series is amazing. Please keep making them. I love reliving these events by watching these videos.
@psychoticpulse4831
4 ай бұрын
I LOVE these videos. Thanks so much for the time and effort in getting these done.
@dfg12382
7 ай бұрын
The Golden Age of WoW.
@UninformedProduction
7 ай бұрын
Clearly Nihilum should've been open about what happened. Method's kill (while obviously ridiculous to have 25 soulstones) used all in game tactics that did not break the game so yeah...Method won this one. Loving this hope this series keeps going on and on!
@treali
7 ай бұрын
It seems like Nihilium in the end got the world first, but Method put in a valiant effort. It reduced the incentive for Nihilum to try hard since they already got a kill which basically stopped the race. 25 soulstones is kind of breaking the game. So in the end blame blizzard and we shall go with the guild that actually got a registered kill first. When in doubt go for objective facts.
@UninformedProduction
7 ай бұрын
@@treali objective facts: Nihilium got the world first unfinished encounter bugged kill on Vash, Method got the world first full unbugged encounter kill on Vash. Method did not "kind of break the game," world buffs were allowed in raids, external soulstones were allowed in raids, other guilds were stupid to not do this and I bet if you ask, there's probably other guilds that did do this throughout TBC. Method didn't use bugs, they used creative thinking. Nihilium's kill used a bugged out boss (not on purpose), but it's Nihilium's own fault for not going back and killing Vash in that month without bugging her. You can decide which is more impressive. I've been in the bug situation, hell the last raid before I quit wow was Aberrus in Dragonflight and my guild downed a bugged Mythic Zskarn on a patch day, the patch broke something making the fight a joke for about 3 hours in which we killed the boss, we did not know, but we found out that night and I wanted to reclear as it's a shitty feeling, we didn't deserve the kill, it was such a joke. Looking back, my memories of killing Mythic BFD Janna pre-nerf where we earned that....that's a memory I'll keep forever, bugged Mythic Zskarn, ugh. Nihilium's Vash kill is like finally beating your grandfather in table tennis because you beat him the week he had a broken arm and then for the next month when his arm was healed you couldn't beat him. Yeah objectively you beat your grandfather but did you? Having the feeling of truly earning something you've worked your ass off for is amazing, and what we should demand of the people who claim to be the best, be the best, not be the lucky.
@dionysues7449
7 ай бұрын
"Exploit Early, Exploit Often" is a common phrase for a reason. While some can sum up the write up as a "disgruntled ex-member," it really puts into question how much exploiting was going on, and how that gave them a SIGNIFICANT advantage over the competition. Nihilum cheated and shouldn't have their name next to Lady Vash, plain and simple.
@micky_qt
7 ай бұрын
Did your editor really just put the retail 1dps version of mallet of the tides in the video...the mace is actually on wowhead!
@dionysues7449
7 ай бұрын
This is one of the reasons Blizzard got the legacy of "Exploit Early, Exploit Often." Nihilum knew they got the "world first" through a cheap bug and kept quiet to save face. Method used in game strats that had been used for other tiers to complete the fight legit. Nihilum doesn't deserve the world first credit, plain and simple.
@thecaneater
2 ай бұрын
10:15 Holy Shit! A Wirtual Trackmania reference. That is Amazing!!
@Thromash
7 ай бұрын
Great series mate, hope you keep doing it & it's productive for your channel. Looking good mate.
@gstwo6571
7 ай бұрын
Love these vids. I remember these days but seeing your meticulous research and story telling makes it just so enjoyable. Keep at it brother!
@jananders93
6 ай бұрын
Very surprised to hear Wirtuals "this run..." song from his trackmania documentaries here😂
@Kdrman345
7 ай бұрын
I do love this series. The history of the world first race has always been so interesting for me so getting the behind the scenes stuff is great
@nickv3085
7 ай бұрын
Before I had watched any YT content at all really, I found your legacy videos. I hadn’t played wow since I was a kid, and listening to your legacy videos was truly an amazing journey into my past. Thanks for doing more of them!
@mittensfastpaw
7 ай бұрын
As a Horde guild that did Naxx and went into BC I remember the massive drama. Hell our guild used transfers to recruit and a big chunk left to form a guild called Plan B that failed. It was an extremely drama filled expansion and I don’t remotely miss it.
@jszfver
7 ай бұрын
I always find myself coming back to the legacy videos. Some of the best wow content available. Please... PLEASE update the older ones and continue making new videos.
@Icewolf2oo3
7 ай бұрын
Unsolved Mysteries theme brings back so many memories, this is definitely a series that needs to continue.
@synthsupreme
7 ай бұрын
i am happy Preach got hairtransplant, you can see he looks way happier and has more energy than a few years ago
@ColinBarnfield
7 ай бұрын
Loving that you are getting back into Legacy videos, and an amazing set of topics with the history of World Firsts
@dibbsGG
22 сағат бұрын
idc what anyone says, this is top tier content. Perfect for putting on while levelling through War Within Keep them coming Preach!
@jordansweet7738
6 ай бұрын
These are so awesome, thank you for sharing the stories before they were forgotten!
@jiggitydazzle84
7 ай бұрын
Mike my dude, I love how your able to put together a new concept and freaking nail it.
@aresistar8285
7 ай бұрын
10:20 best part of the video xD
@hasuwary
6 ай бұрын
Insane that you traveled all the way to outland to film this masterpiece!
@KokoplaysMB
5 ай бұрын
Love these!
@autisticrobotdragon17
6 ай бұрын
Idk if you will see this Preachbut I love this new series, it just fills me with nostalgia and the stories are really interesting. I also really appreciate the unsolved mysteries intro (chefs kiss) ☺️
@Spectre1Gaming
7 ай бұрын
Great video preach can't wait to see the rest of the TBC Raids. I think overall if it's a bug the fault lies with Blizzard they should have fixed it when it was first reported.
@heathcliff8940
7 ай бұрын
Preach is a genius content creator, ngl. The Legacy of The Burning Crusade is the best WoW video ever made.
@Aureora
7 ай бұрын
Your "Legacy of the Burning Crusade" video is still one of my favourites! ❤
@Dacdac839
7 ай бұрын
it's unfortunate that eventually you'll run out of WoW content because I'd watch this every fuckin' night with my TV Dinner
@Pimula.Tsuchimi
6 ай бұрын
I was in one of the first guilds on u.s. to counter this boss. The boss was so buggy that I don't Discredit anybody using a bug to kill her. It was part of the mechanics in my opinion.
@ClawPhD
6 ай бұрын
LOVE this style, please keep them coming Preach!
@Kiwicrack
7 ай бұрын
my dude, is this the new Legacy vids? I am loving this Mystery series.
@Babaganoosh69
4 ай бұрын
Another excellent video with great storytelling!
@jjd-lx5vr
7 ай бұрын
Love the new series. Not sure if its on the schedule but would love a Legacy of the Druid
@Papaneeks
7 ай бұрын
16:44 LOL! I love that Mike just had to take that moment to flip them off for that.
@Tobeh
6 ай бұрын
My vanilla wow guild had "The Indonesian Mafia" in comparison to The Danish Mafia lol. Our best shaman, rogue, druid, priest, and hunter were all room mates or friends who lived near each other, can't remember which, in the US originally from Indonesia. That shaman was permanently in my group for WF and would healbot for me in PVP. Good times
@JohnnyMcJohnson
7 ай бұрын
Preach is the Jonathan Frakes of Warcraft
@skeliskull
6 ай бұрын
So awesome to see high quality history vids like this coming back. Best wow content creator on the platform easily
@joelmartens8315
6 ай бұрын
Another great legacy video. Cheers, Preach gang!
@Koroar
6 ай бұрын
Excellent job again mate, really enjoy these :)
@gscgold
2 ай бұрын
TBC is my home..where I started..to me, it will always be the best expansion and the real Golden Age of WoW
@reveredryan6233
7 ай бұрын
Hearing preach talk about 2007 wow warms my heart 😂
@chrisvickery6511
6 ай бұрын
Can you possibly put these into a playlist, would make it easier to find and browse in the future.
@abrvalg321
6 ай бұрын
I saw no seedlings and target dummies in Method's kill. So they didn't use all consumables.
@masturone8257
4 ай бұрын
The biggest thing about TBC that hasn’t been done since and makes no sense whatsoever is the entire expansions content and raids mattered from launch until WotLK. A 5 man with a BT raider, TK raider, SSC raider, Karazan raider and heroic dungeon player had content that mattered and gave reason for them to group for together. Level boosting and dkp raids were few and far between. You were more likely to have a guild doing the hardest content bug players not attuned to help with getting attuned then how it is now where the 99% have to bug the 1% of raiders then pay in order for them to have any reason whatsoever to help. TBC got screwed by blizz the hardest with transfers cause then it allowed people who rather be carried to hop on over to another realm where they no longer had to put any work in to have success. TBCs model is perfect but cause of that it also takes away nickel and diming players each chance possible by the gaming world since there was plenty to do and hard enough to take time which meant reason to stay consistent and only developing important add on patches worth the money to get created. TBC always had something to log in for and I’m still waiting for that model to be made again. and flying. When’s the last time any ability felt as good as getting flight and all the work u put in for it. And arena so good it was literally almost an entirely seperate game along with other PvP content that u just happened to use one log in for to play PvP and pve. Twinks yes please And of course T3 needed farmed still lol
@Brackers1989
7 ай бұрын
These videos are great! Love the format and idea!
@EdisX
7 ай бұрын
This series getting better by each episode. Maybe do episode about first corrupted blood plegue , will be awesome a full cover of the most iconic wow bug ever
@Clownshock_
7 ай бұрын
This is Amazing! so hyped for this series!, Keep up the godlike work!
@voss3ygaming
7 ай бұрын
My only complaint is that I wish these were longer. Also, the unsolved mysteries theme unlocked some kinda memory for me, lol
@Furtivexx
6 ай бұрын
4:50 so nostalgic seeing some of the names here again. Death Wish guild. I love these, keep it up Preach!
@NCISCherno
6 ай бұрын
Even as someone who dumped WoW fairy quickly after BC, it's enjoyable to see history of MMORPGs that I was part of either in a story or in parallel. But I do call the claim of best raiding into question, with a few caveats. Original Everquest through Scars of Velios easily was the best time to be a raider in a game, if you wanted a challenge. Just breaking into the original raid zones took an incredible amount of skill, and luck. The game was patently unfair. The zone in points were in the path of wandering mobs who would murder people one by one as they loaded in if you got unlucky. To bosses like Cazic Thule that just enjoyed killing someone in the zone no matter where he was..... All Hail Innoruuk, out Lord and Master! Fighting to the Maestro of Discord and then making it to the second floor of hateplane was such an accomplishment. Aggroing the entire zone because your magician pet got lost and pathed across the entire area aggroing every monster. To be fair, by the time WoW was released they had backed off the worst of the unfair mechanics to tone it down, but for its time... What hurts EQ history is the era it was in, little footage/voice comms remain from those days sadly. Not to mention Final Fantasy XI and it's absolutely incredible "raids", where it was more mechanics and what spells or skills you can use, in conjunction with who, while the boss is or is not doing X Y or Z...the complexity in that game has never been matched. But if it is "better", that's a different story. While there have been some done, the Pandamonium Warden debacle is a good one to look at what NOT to do as a game company.
@tomp1923
7 ай бұрын
thanks preachy! we love this content and hope you've been well
@thefrozenpanda
3 ай бұрын
10:15 And then Hef..err, Method got this run.
@djausk
7 ай бұрын
Love that Father Ted participated in the Lady Vashj kill
@eb8048
7 ай бұрын
Yo, these breakdowns of the past are fucking awesome.
@FreshLexo
7 ай бұрын
That music intro is damn close to the intro from unsolved mysteries, as is the logo.
@StrobeFireStudios
6 ай бұрын
What a brilliant video. I'm not sure what to make of it. There was a massive exploit during a Dota 2 international with the Pudge Hook/Chen combo. Y'all know what I'm talking about. That was a game mechanic, probably shouldn't have been, but it was skillfully executed and allowed. Immediately patched out after the competition, but I would think it was allowed if I had to vote. I'd like to say this was allowed. Blizzard should probably test things more :P
@Wheeljack678
6 ай бұрын
Like the first one, I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed this. Very interesting and very well put together.
@matt_r.2510
7 ай бұрын
This was pretty interesting. I wouldn't mind more stories/content like this.
@yuiokita2468
3 ай бұрын
@PreachGaming 3:51 if you wanted to use a screenshot of the item with the statlines of TBC, make sure to swap wowhead's version to tbc :)
@Matwho
7 ай бұрын
I was about to ask why he's not on the golden throne. Are you trying to kill us all you mad man? But then I realized the couch is gold.
@Loke5936
7 ай бұрын
Greate video! Tho you should change the collor on the wall behind your couch :p
@whirl2418
7 ай бұрын
I've never even played WoW, but Preach is so good at storytelling that both videos like this and Drama time make me genuinely interested in this game, like, incredible job my good sir! 👏
@apolloeosphoros4345
6 ай бұрын
Ah, Mallet of the Tides. I used that bonking stick for a long time
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