@@4Strategy sounds like someone without a good matador talking
@victorcartagena8524
Ай бұрын
I mean it’s the same thing imo, same archetype, really similar perks, but I will most likely still use my matador mostly because I like the gun model and for some reason gun models can make or break a gun
@ionicarchitect636
Ай бұрын
@@grantkim2907 Brother, I've gotten all possible 5/5's on matador, tried them, and used the enhanced 5/5 compass. It drags it easily lol
@carnage9536
Ай бұрын
@@grantkim2907it’s literally just a better matador. The stats are the same but you can get 100 handling without needing to be near 2 enemies and you don’t even need a good 4th column perk for it to beat matador.
@odkoooooo
Ай бұрын
if only i could get compass rose instead of the bow
@ggGhostyy
Ай бұрын
If you could get the damn hand canon to:(
@odkoooooo
Ай бұрын
@@ggGhostyy i only get hand cannon and bow, the two i dont want lol
@BrandonB-ob8yn
Ай бұрын
I got slick draw opeing shot on first run
@VendettaPSC
Ай бұрын
The Gary solo super WHIFFS are where it's at today. He was on FIRE.
@CapKong
Ай бұрын
I think its the model, its like the crucible shottys and it might be coded slightly differently from other precisions idk probably copium
@sQuaTsiFieD
Ай бұрын
every precision should have the same spread so it has to be placebo if the guns have same perks and pretty much same stats
@anversailles
Ай бұрын
@@sQuaTsiFieDi wouldn’t be surprised if it were a very specific problem in destiny’s engine. We got specific issues with gun models before or devs straight up forgetting to patch certain guns/frame stats that go unnoticed for months. 😂
@4am446
Ай бұрын
@@anversaillesyea I think it’s that
@LeJunny
Ай бұрын
I have the exact same roll and I surprisingly like it better than my Matador with the same roll, I’m on controller and I put it on the same level as Retold Tale… you know which shotgun feels off to me: Someday, for some reason that thing doesn’t want to 1 shot for me, I prefer the Fract in the Kinetic slot
@MemoriesAreLost
Ай бұрын
Gun feel is wild in this game. Someday has been by far my favourite precision shotgun so far 😅 maybe they have a hidden "feel" stat on them and you got a bad roll.
@pimpflyrice
Ай бұрын
Idk what the deal is w that. My someday one shots everything. Maybe it is placebo but maybe I’ll have luck with compass rose (if I can get the roll to drop anyway)
@70yearoldmanwithparkinsons
Ай бұрын
@@MemoriesAreLostthis is so tinfoil hat and I’m here for it.
@FAUXCUSpd
Ай бұрын
@@MemoriesAreLosti could 100% be wrong so someone correct me if i am, but i’m pretty sure bungie has said before that weapons have a hidden accuracy stat
@LeJunny
Ай бұрын
@@MemoriesAreLost my Someday is crafted 🥲 but that’s funny you mention that because my friend has a SlideShot/OpeningShot Fract that he refuses to use 💀 he prefers to use his FullAuto/Adagio Fract lmao! He says he thinks there’s for sure a hidden perk that makes certain rolls feel better
@Sicruett
Ай бұрын
It’s a feel/model thing. They have similar stats and the same frame, so their performance would be identical. You’ve used Matador so much that you are more used to it’s feel, model, and iron sight.
@ianmiranda735
Ай бұрын
This, u can see that wallah miss some shoots just because the model
@kooletron174c3
Ай бұрын
Exactly, for wtvr reason im always more consistent with minbenders even though it's not as good on paper .
@KnightOfFaraam
Ай бұрын
Precision frames have been buggy lately, they have felt like absolute dog, I don't know if they have stealth nerfed them or something. I can only get consistent 1HKOs with aggressives the last few weeks.
@fotis3v480
Ай бұрын
This. I swapped off to ranghild and conditional. And I'm probably farming Found verdict next time Vault of shite is up.
@BurnerAcc-yy1sd
Ай бұрын
But Someday feels amazing?
@gimlithebrave6354
Ай бұрын
@@BurnerAcc-yy1sdenergy precisions feel stealth nerfed - they probably weren’t but it sure feels like it
@BurnerAcc-yy1sd
Ай бұрын
@@gimlithebrave6354 I wouldn't know. I never got a good matador and hate retold tale 😅 wasn't even a big fan of precision frames (despite having a 5/5 fractethyst) but Someday quite literally hits different
@Frap710
Ай бұрын
Feels weirdly true. I’ve barrel stuffed about 4 people yesterday that didn’t kill with matador. There wasn’t even any negative space for pellets to miss.
@JacobHuffman-b9u
Ай бұрын
Just a tip they messed it up a little bit it shoots higher than it looks when you sun it so aim lower then you normally would.
@Woo_Ster11
Ай бұрын
The 3 times in the 1st gameplay that the gun let you down, you were in the air. All 3 let down were air shots. What’s the AE diff between the two ?
@surfercalavera9287
Ай бұрын
Both have 2AE at base
@DanielMorales-jm3ll
Ай бұрын
He usually runs around with the helmet mod that gives AE. I think he was running two cause he had icarus grip, and 60 AE displayed when he had rose out, which means he was running two of them. So the AE would have been 32
@iamglooo
Ай бұрын
genuinely i think you need to hit a 100 range for it to feel good. corkscrew, accurized, td, os with a range mw is probably the best bc you hit 100 range and still have decent handling. you won’t hit that 7m range cap if you’re not at 100 range
@NJDorito
Ай бұрын
Opening shot provides the 7m range cap with only one other range perk
@SkipNade
Ай бұрын
Griptape? Wallah bout to do some crispy Kickflips with that mouse
@shakirdixon6611
Ай бұрын
I replayed and slowed down the second kill, you missed 5 pellets and he had regained all of his health and about 80% of his shields so def not on you or the shotty. ❤
@shakirdixon6611
Ай бұрын
Also it looks like you're missing pellets for the times it's not "killing". Maybe try a full choke role to see if it's more consistent ?
@Dante_Ironclaw
Ай бұрын
if he is missing a lot of the pellets how is it not on him, lol.
@shakirdixon6611
Ай бұрын
@Dante_Ironclaw wait you're right, it's not random pellet spread anymore. But I will say moving thru the air that fast and AE do play a part but you are definitely correct. Thank you kind human
@arjunbaweja7755
Ай бұрын
Yeah I personally would go full choke instead
@radiantgummy9971
Ай бұрын
lmao how he feels in the beginning is literally me with matador. Matador will do anything but one shot for me but the new compass rose for some reason is actually hitting and one shotting so it's all preference
@loganlund6801
Ай бұрын
This is why shotguns are so inconsistent, they'll either one tap somebody from 5 m or they'll tickle somebody at 1 m it's so random
@cargnome
Ай бұрын
Bro isn't even running the right shader. No wonder it's not working for him. smh
@CGrossActual
Ай бұрын
I’m fully agree with you. Got the god roll after maybe 6 matches of solstice- barrel shroud, accurized, enhanced threat detector, enhanced opening shot with the typical quick access sling. On paper this thing is wild. Experienced the same thing with the one shots- some expected others you’d expect to get left players still alive. Not bad but Matador is still more consistent for me even without enhanced perks which is wild
@ShadowChaolan
Ай бұрын
I'm having a good time with this shotgun, plenty of one taps. So in my opinion, it feels like placebo. I think that because its been almost 3 years since we got Matador, anything else similar to it just might not feel right to someone who has literal 1000s of kills on theirs.
@NemesistheBoss
Ай бұрын
''pricison frame'' writes on shotgun but it is basicly ''agressive frame'' archetype. this is a bug from the last year and still exist
@xavier2995
Ай бұрын
bros coping in the intro LMAO
@Adam-tu1qx
Ай бұрын
Harmonic mods is the entire reason I'm farming for this.
@tylerlloydboone
Ай бұрын
Shooting your shotgun while sliding increases pellet spread. It appears that several times while sliding you didn’t 1hk. Rapidly changing weapons isn’t a good idea anymore. The fix for active perks being used on other weapons was adding a delay. Maybe opening shot isn’t active due to obsessive weapon swapping. Y y. Y y. Y y. ❤
@thatssomax2
Ай бұрын
You also have to take into account the ease of access this thing has dude it’s pretty damn close to the matador and it’s FREE as well as being much easier to farm. Def gonna pick this thing up bc I still don’t have a godroll matador 😭
@alex62965
Ай бұрын
slickdraw gets it to 100 handling and some scalers, you can also get it to 97 range with slickdraw
@Atlas_Enderium
Ай бұрын
Yo, I have the max range roll (Rifled + Accurized + OS + Range MW) but with Slickdraw (Enhanced). It’s amazing and you should definitely try it out- enhanced Slickdraw gives it 100 handling just passively, so going for a max range barrel has legitimately no downsides
@akman74u
Ай бұрын
I believe the range is also, no bs related to the gun model itself. I know some some snipers with the same range stat can before better than others simply because the barrel is longer and in the case the matador is longer so damage drop off even though small still apparent
@DesertRallyy
Ай бұрын
Wallah I tested the compass rose with and without slickdraw, it literally does not negatively effect the bullet magnetism or auto aim cone. With 72 range, it has the same killing range as one without Slickdraw
@Laidback_616
Ай бұрын
Could be the gun model. Usually that frame is a rapid fire. I also remember the length of the weapon being a supposed thing in D1, who knows.
@JohnCena-iq3tg
Ай бұрын
Notice when he dies his second grenade charge gets reset. It's a bug affecting strand hunter and hunter and armamentium. I've tried posting on the bungie forms, but it didn't work so now I'm trying to spread awareness in the youtube comment sections.
@A.K-A.
Ай бұрын
4:29 it looks like this guy you only hit the bottom half of your pellet spread. There was also a guy in your second game that was sliding that you missed because you shot too early.
@rebekahamber
Ай бұрын
Not meliodas rubbing off on you with calling ppl jim 😂
@Mrg0219
Ай бұрын
Or remember special weapons don't receive the full effect of OS. So having at least 80+ range and or full choke / slide opening would be more consistent ?
@saladgaming4339
Ай бұрын
Facet of protection gives a constant damage resistance while in transcendence but idk why you'd actually use it in pvp
@VaIeon
Ай бұрын
I bet it’s a barrel length situation again. Matador might just be longer than Compass Rose.
@snowmankillz713
Ай бұрын
Max range with slick draw my guy
@freddyflo7364
Ай бұрын
i THINK!!! i think matador is still a bit longer with its barrel than the compass rose and i think barrel length still gives a few more centimeters range. heavy speculation though. but that may be why compass rose feels not as good
@Leopa1998
Ай бұрын
Be sure the range maxs up to 100 with Opening Shot, since it has 50% benefits in special weapons. Also, using slickdraw + targeting adjuster will solve all Handling and Targeting problems
@gryphon123456
Ай бұрын
Been using this without opening shot since last year and it’s the most consistent shotty I’ve ever used.
@dittor1113
Ай бұрын
Im pretty sure the issue is from the game itself being pretty laggy and most of the shoots don't register
@reflexcoil9808
Ай бұрын
Based on your gameplay I say the gun I shot about -80-85% of the time and that's pretty consistent if I'm honest. You just can't let go of the Matador that's what makes you feel like a gun has to be 100% perfect to replace it.
@mitchellg6242
Ай бұрын
I have an old version with Surplaus + wellspring and it has 92 range hitting further and more consistent than this. Something is definitely wrong with the perks here.
@LaLloronaVT
Ай бұрын
Something is a little off but I don’t want to farm for matador ever again so it’ll work plenty well for me
@baking5965
Ай бұрын
Maybe just do an actual test in a private match with both weapons fired at the same range 😵💫
@Runtz_4
Ай бұрын
It’s a lightweight frame. I know it’s precision coded and specked. But the model is lightweight and the shape of weapons matters in D2.
@SuPeRuNkNoWn..
Ай бұрын
Bit like Mercurial, brilliant stats but weirdly inconsistent.
@MrSqu1dz
Ай бұрын
the scope messes with me cuz it feels like you should aim higher than you acc should
@CeeJay____
Ай бұрын
IT'S JUST A SOLAR SOMEDAY IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN THING
@CtChocula_III
Ай бұрын
My slideshot opening shot one feels better than any other shotty I have rn. I'm on controller tho
@oldlifeorig5028
Ай бұрын
Man I hate the same guns being different from season to season, makes no sense
@MrDonee
Ай бұрын
for the love of god i can't get a "good" compass rose
@m1tchd2
Ай бұрын
my slideshot/opening shot with range mw feels amazing. handling could be better tho.
@ddemonikk5775
Ай бұрын
Needs slideshot since the handling is already good enough
@TheFawse
Ай бұрын
From looking at the stats, it’s not actually higher stats than Matador. 62 range compared to Matador’s 65, and enhanced Opening Shot only gives you 2 more range and 3 aim assist. Add the fact that Matador has 8 more handling, 6 after the small boost that Compass gets for being level 20, and Matador is still technically better stats-wise outside of AA …but let’s be real, basically the same gun
@emoliousmarkz2087
21 күн бұрын
I started bk after 3 months an regretted missing this shotty
@blade7419
Ай бұрын
you should do a darci test and see what range they both 1 tap
@Kndrmndr
Ай бұрын
Can't see myself playing soltice ngl
@ELTRYHARD
Ай бұрын
Can’t believe 2:47 didn’t one tap. That’s the only clip you need to show how it’s just another inconsistent shotgun to add to collections.
@JessLynn1719
Ай бұрын
Nah even I wasn't getting 1 taps and I'm on roller
@bcityy
Ай бұрын
This and matador both feel like nerf guns this week
@landynmurphree7615
Ай бұрын
Just go into a private match and range test it. Compare them side by side and see which is better. Because it doesnt seem like Mata would kill at a lot of those ranges either to me. but idk.
@dumbkenners8249
Ай бұрын
I feel like the gun acts like a precison frame and a lightwightframe at the same time
@Kfiness3
Ай бұрын
def the ads don’t match the shot
@xastey
Ай бұрын
It has the retold effect... Looks good on paper but blanks up close lol
@sirvantar
Ай бұрын
I think it’s just based off feel, bro became numb to other shotguns because of Matador 😭 But yeah, I’ve had similar issues with matador where I just prefer the feel of other shottys(timelost found verdict with surplus, opening shot) and it just ends up messing up my gameplay
@devinator0233
Ай бұрын
My best guess the compass rose pellets not all landing on the players body even though it's a PRECISION frame I'm noticing the parts where it didn't 1 shot the players body was at its smallest if that makes sense however that's my best guess
@winsomeklown9429
Ай бұрын
it looks like it was meant to be a lightweight frame. it performs the exact same as my pvp seventh seraph sg, even the gun model looks like lightweight frame
@jachuwah
Ай бұрын
4:27 isn't the shotgun. It was hitting for full damage, the spread just missed probably bc you were in air
@skatehampton
Ай бұрын
That first shot that didn't kill, it didn't kill because you missed. Just saying, that wasn't the shot guns fault
@vonknight5311
Ай бұрын
It's still acting like a rapid fire frame, half way worked into a precision frame. I don't think Bungie fully finished converting it. It's like a halfway re-skined Wishbringer.
@DracoWick
Ай бұрын
They had to have did a secret patch to precisions because my retold has been hitting less consistently this past week might just be placebo but aggressives seem better rn IMO
@qtc2630
Ай бұрын
i remember this shotgun just being inconsistent compared to something that should be the same the last time it came out, could be the sound design or placebo but it just doesnt feel right
@averagemanfromearth5832
Ай бұрын
Senuna with headseeker + bakris = big pioupiou trust me Try this
@tazdestiny2411
Ай бұрын
ngl i feel like this thing 1 shots more when opening shot isnt active lmao
@Gnarcader
Ай бұрын
I got it with slideshot/OS. I like it with Ophidians.
@vvvjnj
Ай бұрын
I got the same god roll, I felt the same something weird not as snappy as metador
@SuperRaids13
Ай бұрын
You don’t have max range on it, that’s the problem
@Ruiji93
Ай бұрын
i think is when u hip fire what i seen
@ejthesweaty5604
Ай бұрын
How do you get 2 ammo bricks to drop from kills? Maybe I missed something about an update? Bungie actually let players have fun again? I’m shocked
@Cerberus1141
Ай бұрын
Bro misses, "it's the gun". Nah, if I suck while using Cerby, I know it is a me issue
@antimatics759
Ай бұрын
Yeah but we're not as good or have as many hours as wallah. When a pro basketball player tells you something might be wrong with the ball, it's most likely there is something wrong with the ball.
@Cerberus1141
Ай бұрын
@@antimatics759 then if there is nothing wrong with the ball bc other people has been thriving with the ball?
@antimatics759
Ай бұрын
@@Cerberus1141 then good on them for doing well with it. That's why I said 'it's most likely' in my first comment - it could very well be wallah tweaking
@phantxm2792
Ай бұрын
6:51 and 14:51 I think were both misses. You freaked out pretty hard but I think the 1st shot slightly missed to the side and the 2nd clip slightly missed over his head cuz he slid. To me it looked like it was aim, not the gun. Also, in the 1st game a lot of the bad shots were in air or hip-fired, when you were on ADS and on the ground it seemed mostly solid.🤷
@arjunbaweja7755
Ай бұрын
4:40 also I noticed a trend with you shooting from above and it not killing. Matador wouldn't there either because of how the spread of precision frames look.
@stormvalentine2642
Ай бұрын
I like slugs an lightweights, but precision feels trash to me🤷♀️
@liuthegreat7510
Ай бұрын
Ik what's wrong with it .... Barrel length
@voimex
Ай бұрын
Hunter have a nerfing look at bungi
@pharaohavalon8566
Ай бұрын
It’s funny matador started feeling inconsistent (to me at least, I’m on console) last season so I was looking for a replacement. Some day is 🔥 but I need something for the energy slot, I’m praying this feels better on console cause my matador performs like your compass rose
@davidbcohen77
Ай бұрын
I think matador is just glitched , I have retold tales with way better stats and it’s not as consistent as matador
@lolopigus
Ай бұрын
Why no full choke? I've been wondering this for a while, did it get nerfed or are other barrels just more worth it now?
@domawe
Ай бұрын
you gotta show a gameplay with your matador so we can all compare you know what i mean 🤷🏿♂️
@BongerZ013
Ай бұрын
Same here. I tried that thing last year and like you said, there’s just something off about it. Stick to what you know ynow?
@salvibess
Ай бұрын
wallah try max range slickdraw opening shot roll
@BarbWaltersMusic
Ай бұрын
I hope its not that bad because I have been grinding for it
@zackphy
Ай бұрын
Slickdraw is better on this than threat.
@khronos3132
Ай бұрын
You should compare it to Duality now that it got its slug range fixed. Can Duality come back from the grave to get back into the meta?
@Deltaverge
Ай бұрын
bro was hyping the new guns a week ago and here we are now ;-;
@horaneron
Ай бұрын
The same thing happened with the old one , inconsistent shotgun
@will39490
Ай бұрын
Enhanced os only adds 15 range
@zeeunveil1324
Ай бұрын
Rip no elemental capacitor
@TheRodFather791
Ай бұрын
Been using the one from last year with qd/snap and it rarely fails me
@Alostwanderer88
Ай бұрын
Pinpoint slug shotguns>>>>>>>>
@jordankeeter1339
Ай бұрын
Maybe ur matador has a higher range stat? This is a good roll but it’s only got 77 range so it’s not hitting 100… mine has 87+opening shot and it feels way more consistent than my matador. I have 2k kills on this matador too, but it has 78 range and it feels hella inconsistent like how ur saying compass rose feels… I lil someday more than both right now but compass rose feels way better than my matador…
@captainnitro923
Ай бұрын
This shotty is def not going to 1tap in the air, hipfired at slug range
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