Caving is an amazing adventure... but sometimes it comes with a really high price. Stay safe our there, everyone!
@88feji
4 жыл бұрын
+Fascinating Horror I really appreciate the extra descriptive details in your narration of this video... it really heightens the horror of the situation the poor victim finds himself in .. great work !
@88feji
4 жыл бұрын
The clear and accurate enunciations, extra descriptions, great accompanying images makes this video superior to other videos on this same event...
@EddVCR
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a few videos on this incident, and yours by far is the best one with most details and facts!
@mijiyoon5575
3 жыл бұрын
I walked through a lava tunnel in Korea...it was nice but not so far under ground; I'm glad I did it ...once
@fly69doc
3 жыл бұрын
amazing adventure? nope....not for me!
@Embarblaze
3 жыл бұрын
The ONLY way I will ever explore a cave is walking. The moment I have to crawl, I’m out
@pindasangha2883
3 жыл бұрын
Fam, I wouldn’t even walk in a cave let alone crawl, there’s just something eerie about being ‘in the Earth’, like the stomach of a beast that can consume you at any moment. I feel uncomfortable looking at the plans of the caves John was in, wouldn’t do it for anything period!
@depressedpacito7024
3 жыл бұрын
@@pindasangha2883 Most basements of houses are technically under ground. XD (jokes aside Caving sounds like a death sentence, I can sit by a large cave entrance or even get on my knees. But the moment I see more cave im turning my ass around)
@nathanpollaro479
3 жыл бұрын
I was maybe 3-400 feet into a cave a few years back. Up until that point the tightest place was a descent that was maybe 3 feet wide and I didn't have an issue with that, and the roof once I entered was around 5 feet at the lowest and 15 at the highest. There was a tiny hole in the floor that was maybe 2 feet wide and 2 feet tall which led into another set of chambers, and trying to go into that is one of the most terrifying things I've ever done and I backed out almost immediately. Something about tiny underground spaces is utterly terrifying and seems to go against our very human nature and I regard anyone who can descend into those places with immense respect, but I also think they're maniacs.
@Kulkanar
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who works in construction and has had to work in confined spaces that are about as safe as humans can make the them I do not understand why someone would chance willingly going into a natural cave formation for leisure
@lindinle
3 жыл бұрын
if its like big chambers you can walk in sure but fuck that crawling shit.
@kevlarcardhouse252
3 жыл бұрын
This video did a great job of changing my interest in cave exploration from 1% to 0%.
@karenkonrad4771
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the laugh! I am with you!!
@randyrobertson6116
3 жыл бұрын
I was more in the range of .025% to -.05%. I mean, I'm claustrophobic so I pretty much only had the nerve to step a few yards into a cave that has a gigantic opening...like mammoth cave park. Other than that, a few feet in and I'm ready for 3 xanax and a paper bag to breathe into.
@tekkieman
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I couldn’t think of an activity more awful.
@aquarianbeauty80
3 жыл бұрын
Facts ☝🏽
@thejasonknightfiascoband5099
3 жыл бұрын
Very funny! 😆
@voicetrainwithtk
Жыл бұрын
I find it also interesting that previously, a 16 year old boy was stuck in the exact same place as John did. It seems like they should have blocked the area off or perhaps even put signs warning people that the area was not the actual birth canal. Such a tragic story. And for John a horrific way to go.
@pippetandpossum
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but they didn't and after John died they decided to blast closed the entire cave and cement it. Sad no one else will be able to explore it now
@tomghzel
Жыл бұрын
@@pippetandpossum yeah I thought the same. Would have been better to block that sideway and have a memorial there. Having the cave explorers come and be at the split, so they really feel how important it is to be careful. That sounds like a better plan to me too.
@epmcgee
Жыл бұрын
Yup, surprised the land owner wasn't sued over this. They had a responsibility to keep it safe, especially since it was advertised as beginner friendly. Even if someone hadn't got stuck down there before, they were perfectly aware of the danger it posed since survey teams wouldn't go down it.
@Megamibunny
Жыл бұрын
@tomghzel They blocked it off because some people ignore stuff like that. Look at diving signs and memorials
@GadisBaliLivesAbroad
Жыл бұрын
The first caver who found the cave entered the same tunnel, however after facing the 45 degree downward (not the 80-90 degree downward angle where John got stuck) angle he quickly realized that it was a mistake and wriggle himself out. I agree he should warm others about the dangerous tunnel. But like we all see from the map, it looks like the farthest/deepest part of the cave and the entrance is very narrow, so maybe he thought there was no need to warn other? 25k visitors a year and no one other than John and had ever enter the tunnel. I read some comments about teenagers (boy scouts ) got stuck before, however I also read I happened in different part of the cave named "Scout trap" .
@nolsee1176
Жыл бұрын
I’m so excited to wake up every day, get out of bed, and never step foot in a cave.
@TheBehemothGod
3 жыл бұрын
The rescuer that got himself stuck in there trying to help him is one of the bravest soul I have ever heard of. He literally pushed himself into hell for some guy he had never even met.
@starsintherain2000
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, bless that man, he is a strong and brave soul.
@tomrogers9467
3 жыл бұрын
Brings to mind the soccer team than got trapped in a cave in Thailand - took a team of many experts to scuba them out, and a navy seal (Thai navy) died in the process. Some places nature just doesn’t intend us to go!
@newgrandma979
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomrogers9467 amen to that
@Hotmaildotcomz
3 жыл бұрын
It's called their job.
@newgrandma979
3 жыл бұрын
@@Hotmaildotcomz I’m glad it’s not my job!
@Mxmusicaddict
3 жыл бұрын
I like the kinds of caves where you walk along a set, partially paved path and there are railings in even the most benign places. The local guide tells you the same facts about erosion that every cave has while his little dog, who grew up playing on the trails, follows the group around excitedly. The scariest part is where you exit into the gift shop and see the prices for little geode slices with the name of the cave on it and know you're going to end up buying one. *Those* are beginner caves.
@lonewolf9578
3 жыл бұрын
That kind of caving I’d be willing to do If it gets to the point I have to crawl I’m just nopeing right out of there
@LuvBorderCollies
3 жыл бұрын
Wind Cave in South Dakota is similar but minus dogs/pets. The tour paths are concrete with steps and rails where needed. Take a powerful flashlight on the tour and shine light into the countless branches to see some seriously scary "terrain". The known cave system is huge and rangers say the uncharted is far larger. Authorized cave explorers are still working on charting and finding new branches and rooms. If someone decided to escape the tour and go exploring, well you'd be missed but probably not found.
@nullbubble791
3 жыл бұрын
The only cave I've ever been in had an area where they stored large wheels of cheese, the guided tours were all safe, well lit, railings almost everywhere and no tiny tunnels where I could end up stuck and need my step brothers help
@Pinkjeepkiki
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@hortondlfn1994
3 жыл бұрын
@@nullbubble791 I think I could die happy in a cave filled with cheese.
@LonelyAssassin96
Жыл бұрын
Utahn here, this story left such impact on everyone when it happened. There's a thing I think some people don't realize about these mountains that surround us. Being so close to them for so long makes you forget: If the Rocky Mountains get a chance to swallow you whole, you'll be lucky if she spits out your corpse. Stay safe, folks. Never underestimate the dangers of something, even if it's considered "beginner friendly".
@DrJ-hx7wv
Жыл бұрын
Maybe avoid lunatic hobbies like cave diving.
@LonelyAssassin96
Жыл бұрын
@@DrJ-hx7wv Well, that's definitely worked for me so far.
@annehersey9895
Жыл бұрын
Lonely-You are so right! I lived in Park City for 11 years and the number of highly skilled skiers caught in avalanches by skiing the bowls or off trail amazed me. I live in San Diego now and as you say, the Ocean becomes such a part of your being that it is easy to forget and underestimate the power of the waves!
@jenniferbrewer5370
Жыл бұрын
Same thing here in the Sierras; those who don't respect the wilderness will die at its hand.
@blakewaters8195
Жыл бұрын
Rocky Mountains are in Northern Utah. This happened south of SLC
@kingfish2703
11 ай бұрын
Theres not enough money on this planet that could convince me to ever crawl into a cave like that
@_kanaekocho
2 ай бұрын
Same. I rather walk barefoot on glass shards than ever go cave exploring
@Captain-Cardboard
3 жыл бұрын
_"There was also The Maze - a confusing jumble of tiny chambers and tight corridors that were fun to explore."_ Yeah, fuck that.
@vedantojha7351
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah 😂😂
@spaceli0n
3 жыл бұрын
Makes no sense to me. I won't skydive but I can understand it, this just seems like Darwinism.
@PaulStringini
3 жыл бұрын
@@spaceli0n I agree... at 6'3" and 230 lbs I think I'd rather die skydiving, if I wanted to die sportingly.
@lunahetfield
3 жыл бұрын
No way in hell am i going there, let alone step foot inside the cave i would be willing to drive there, take a picture of the cave entrance and leave and never return.
@spaceli0n
3 жыл бұрын
@@PaulStringini I can feel you. I'm at 6'4 250lbs..
@ahhyesstoinks4058
3 жыл бұрын
If this cave is "beginner friendly" then caving is seriously not a hobby for me
@MacyPooh196
3 жыл бұрын
In Alabama there’s a cave considered safe enough for children that barely has any safety railing and long, deep drop offs that will literally kill people so I think the use of “beginner friendly” seems to be loose
@adrenalinewill
3 жыл бұрын
@@MacyPooh196 that still is a beginner friendly cave tight caves aren’t beginner friendly
@audreymai2773
3 жыл бұрын
@@adrenalinewill it is not beginning friendly. I have caved most of my life. A good beginner cave is one with no struggle. With open rooms from time to time. And best with 2 mouths to the cave. If your back touches the ceiling when on your stomach, it is dangerous. Maybe, it could be called a beginner "claustrophobic cave". But yeah, I made that mistake once. My brothers couldn't fit in this one tunnel, so they sent me because I was the smallest, so that we could see if it opened up at some point. They ended up having to pull me back out. Never did anything that tight again. I rather crab crawl under low ceilings then take that chance again.
@Donde_Lieta
3 жыл бұрын
I think it got that reputation because a bunch of drunk college students used to go in the cave for drunk midnight adventures (before it was gated off and access was limited). Although small, I think the first part of the cave was beginner friendly, but anything past “the big slide” was probably more challenging and dangerous, I don’t think the drunk college kids ever went that far into the cave
@839bang
3 жыл бұрын
@@MacyPooh196 What cave in Alabama?
@ekpennock
Жыл бұрын
I'm a Utah caver, I was in Nutty Putty a month before this happened. When I went in, I was told this cave was especially tricky and had a history of people getting stuck. It didn't require rope work but we knew it wasn't "for beginners". Not sure where you're getting that
@roybatty3989
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I've heard this story before and except for the ending it was a very different story. I mean they closed it off once because it was too dangerous.
@maccusmc
Жыл бұрын
I was there a month ago and never saw you. Please don't lie to us again
@mtra.mariafernandafloreshe1301
Жыл бұрын
@@maccusmc Maybe it was diferent days 🙄
@maccusmc
Жыл бұрын
@@mtra.mariafernandafloreshe1301 I was there everyday.
@LordReaperus-memes
Жыл бұрын
@@maccusmc Different times of the day
@kamilareeder1493
11 ай бұрын
One thing about these stories I love, is that when someone gets stuck or goes missing, there is ALWAYS someone willing to attempt a search . Often, hundreds of people voluteer and show up to help, just on like a 15% chance of saving a total stranger from a horrible fate. Thats a wonderful human urge
@lyonsrawrs
2 жыл бұрын
The scariest aspect to me as how helpless everyone was in this situation. Like all the proper authorities were notified, they had tons of equipment and trained rescuers. And it just didn't matter.
@raydiaz2772
2 жыл бұрын
I heard somewhere it took about a hour just to get down into the part of the cave he was in everyone involved in that must of been just beat to shit.
@bodhixxx1
2 жыл бұрын
Ya a big problem is the distance he is in the cave. Example they make a electric Jackhammer but that is too far to run extension cord maybe they could of run 10-2 wire down to him to run the jackhammer but that wire is heavy and awkward to handle ( in a normal situation)
@redhakiim789
2 жыл бұрын
@B C Don't believe that bullcrap quotes from "Nothing is impossible" by some smartarse. We can't even survived a lot of different ways to die.
@trequor
2 жыл бұрын
@@bodhixxx1 And of course a gasoline powered one would make the cave poisonous
@bodhixxx1
2 жыл бұрын
@@trequor correct deadly fumes and they are bulky and heavy I do not think it would fit through the "birth canal"
@StonerWaifu
3 жыл бұрын
"Safe for beginners" Has a section named "THE SCOUT EATER"
@lilmsdrummer
3 жыл бұрын
Lol, I didn't notice that.
@Astra_Dystopium
3 жыл бұрын
“The Maze” and “the birth canal”
@user-ht4ii1wi6u
3 жыл бұрын
Your avatar rocks
@bobbypatton4903
3 жыл бұрын
That's normal to see names like that in a cave. Cavers have a bit of fun naming stuff
@FirewolfKnight
3 жыл бұрын
Utah humor
@KeitieKalopsia
Жыл бұрын
Even though I’ve seen this video before and know what happens, I still root for John and the rescuers every time as though it’s possible things will go differently this time I watch it.
@GrislyAtoms12
Жыл бұрын
And Scott Norwood keeps hoping that football will hook left...
@RogueNation.
Жыл бұрын
@@GrislyAtoms12ROFLMAO 😂
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
9 ай бұрын
I know you exactly what you mean. I guess it’s fantasising as a form of denial to cope with trauma. There should be a word for it though
@Stabbyhara
5 ай бұрын
@@EmperorsNewWardrobeDelusion or in internet speak, Copium
@markjosephbacho5652
3 ай бұрын
Same. I'm watching it again. Tsk
@curbyourshi1056
Жыл бұрын
Caving = nope. Risking your life like that when you've got kids is incredibly selfish in my opinion.
@rodyates1
2 жыл бұрын
I used to do a lot of caving, but once I found a narrow passage going up at a shallow incline, and decided to try it. I couldn't wear my safety hat in that space, it wouldn't fit. I turned my head a bit, and could see that the roof appeared to be loose rock. A few feet further on, the passage ended. !!! I had to consider that I was trapped. After careful thought, I realised that my overalls would bunch up if I tried to back out. Somehow, I'd have to turn around in the bulb shape at the end of the passage. That was really scary. Slowly, I then slid down the passage, and out. Outside, to see the sky full of stars convinced me never to go caving again.
@mrskiddles47
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t even begin to imagine being in your position. Good job powering thru.
@AlienWithABox
2 жыл бұрын
I'm very glad you had enough of your wits about you to get yourself turned around.
@masakazuhiruko550
2 жыл бұрын
I understand the thrill people may wanted until i saw a stupid youtuber who went to a cave alone and suddenly flooded. There is a thin line between being stupid and crazy
@EazzyBeezie
2 жыл бұрын
Geez, glad you are okay.
@Justyburger
2 жыл бұрын
It's fortunate that you were in the opposite predicament to the guy in this video and that gravity was in your favor. So I'm assuming that you had nobody behind you, that could pull you out? That's quite risky just by itself.
@K9Katie
4 жыл бұрын
I have really bad claustrophobia, so the thought of being stuck (or even in the cave in the first place) makes me genuinely panic. Poor, poor man, what a horrible death.
@jeanettewaverly2590
3 жыл бұрын
rhaeofsunshine Me too.
@LizzardJG
3 жыл бұрын
Me too. AND he was upside down. Just horrifying
@Fayefaye90
3 жыл бұрын
Same! It was hard for me to even listen to this one. 😭😭 I couldn't imagine!
@Abandando71
3 жыл бұрын
I’m hyperventilating just listening to this...
@tacosocks2576
3 жыл бұрын
Full agreement on that. What an awefull moment for his family. Aparently a cave system used by thousands didnt need any signs to direct people on the correct path
@Sacheen81
Жыл бұрын
This is my worst nightmare, I can't imagine the horror of what John, his family, friends, and Rescue workers endured. I hope his wife and child have lots of happy recorded memories of his short life to treasure.
@WILSONMOSBEY-ix2pw
4 ай бұрын
Very horrifying. I pray that God gives comfort after such a story. Someday when Christ comes, all pain will be wiped out. We pray John is raised to receive Christ.
@ellaelliott4415
2 жыл бұрын
I have so much respect for rescue teams. They work as hard as they can, putting everything else but saving people out of their minds and do their best. The vicarious trauma (and their own) that they experience would be enough to make most people stay far, far away from these jobs. The rescues that fail must weigh heavily on them. I know I’d have nightmares and flashbacks. I can’t imagine what everyone went through
@tebelshaw9486
Жыл бұрын
It would do high risk seekers a world of good to seriously consider whose lives will be endangered if they require rescuing.
@inconceivableabysses
3 жыл бұрын
There are some phobias that are innate, natural fears, left over from our uncivilized ancestors. Fear of heights, fear of spiders, or snakes, and the fear of dark, enclosed spaces. Those fears evolved because they kept us alive.
@susanlansdell863
3 жыл бұрын
Cindy Lewis Over the years I’ve come to terms with my fear of spiders and snakes and I even quite like them now ,but nothing could ever persuade me to enter a cave or enjoy the view from a high building or cliff. Like you say some innate fears are there to protect us.xx
@iakdrawllim4127
3 жыл бұрын
ITHEREONETHATHASNT I feel bad for you that you were born with the inability to use any ability to put yourself in other peoples shoes or have empathy, but such is life
@she_sings_delightful_things
3 жыл бұрын
Such a good point.
@mksabourinable
3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually more afraid of wide open spaces. Which makes sense as an innate fear bc you can't hide very easily (from predators for example) in wide open spaces. I feel safer in small spaces. I've got the opposite of claustrophobia. I hide. Claustrophobia isn't universal. Neither are those other fears you mentioned.
@Kyle211919
3 жыл бұрын
@@mksabourinable Innate, not universal. If evolution worked universally in the same way we would all be exactly the same. Opposite of claustrophobia is agoraphobia if I'm correct
@mm1234Xxx
4 жыл бұрын
After hearing this the first time I couldn't stop thinking that he quite literally crawled into his own grave
@splintcell22
3 жыл бұрын
Free burial. he was thinking ahead
@j.peters1222
3 жыл бұрын
Poor bastard
@lastofthe4horsemen279
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes that's neat
@steveguzman6141
3 жыл бұрын
Dont be so sad he is now part of the nutty putty
@steveguzman6141
3 жыл бұрын
@@splintcell22 no he was a merman and he foolishly thought his gods would save him.
@marvelouslee4427
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always had “stress dreams” (not scary enough to be nightmares) about having to squeeze through tight spaces very quickly. I’m not claustrophobic, but something about the combination of close spaces and time limits is so anxiety inducing. This story takes it to an entirely different level of horrifying.
@YasmineSkyKD
Жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. I've had dreams where I've been trapped inside a cave no bigger than, say, a cupboard under the stairs. And the narrative of the dream is that I don't ever escape. No one is coming to rescue me. It is f*cking terrifying!! I've also been buried in an avalanche and been stuck in a capsized ship while the water level rises. God knows why the f*ck I'd dream such things!! 😳😳
@clairemmiiler2656
Жыл бұрын
Oh me too! I find it comforting in a strange way that I’m not alone in having these kinds of specific dreams.
@vacafuega
Жыл бұрын
Strong likelihood you're reliving birth memories. I had these types of dreams for years before connecting the dots with what I knew about my birth, and then suddenly it all made sense.
@chad9166
Жыл бұрын
@@vacafuega Yeah thats not true lmao. New age bullshit
@Smedley1947
3 ай бұрын
Interesting, I used to have recurring dreams of finding myself at the top of a radio tower usually in the Flatlands of something like Kansas where you can see the quilt work of the fields from something like 2000 or 3,000 feet. It was a very precarious feeling to be on the platform. Because it was a recurring dream I assume it had meaning somewhere in my unconscious but I never was able to figure out what it was. Haven't had one of those for about 3 decades. I used to have all kinds of disaster dreams, recurring many times. Dreams where the details changes but the basic idea is the same with the disasters ranging from tsunamis to tornadoes to volcanic eruptions and downbursts. In all cases it appeared that there was no Escape so naturally they were frightening but still not actually nightmares . I've only had five or six Bonafide nightmares in my life and I'm 76 . That period of different styles of natural disasters lasted about 5 years, from about 35 to 40 years old.
@ty16080
Жыл бұрын
I live just about 20 miles from Nutty Putty caves. My dad went there several times growing up. It was always a popular activity for scout troops, and my troop talked about it several times but always ended up doing other activities instead. This tragedy happened before we had a chance to go down there. Just this past year I went out and visited the site and was able to read the plaque and pay my respects. Such a sad tragedy... I remember tuning in to the updates about the rescue operation and being sure that it was just a matter of time before they got him out... sadly it just got worse and worse. It's hard to picture a more horrific and drawn-out death. May he rest in peace.
@matthewmarsh1971
Жыл бұрын
More drawn out... Look up Floyd Collins. I'm wondering if the family will ever get a shaft dug down to get jones out of nutty putty and get proper burial.
@ProKilirsha
3 жыл бұрын
I know he is dead, so he doesn't feel anything anymore, but I'm horrified of the thought that he remained there... I would go so insane from grief knowing that my loved one is entombed in a cave, upside down with no hope of proper burial and last goodbyes...
@KellyMcnelly333
3 жыл бұрын
Same here his poor poor family 😨😭
@janicesmith5974
3 жыл бұрын
Anastasia Zamurujev That’s what I’ve always said about this case. They really should’ve taken his body out. So sad for his family to know he’s down there like that. And so morbid in general.
@Donnie-ys7vr
3 жыл бұрын
@@janicesmith5974 well his family is the one who requested to leave him there. The passage way was far too narrow with only one way out, trying to pull him out is basically like fighting backward against a water current and it was risky even to the rescuers.
@Duskdog717
3 жыл бұрын
@@janicesmith5974 Taking his body out would have required other people to risk their lives. Would you rather have two (or more) dead people instead of just one, just to retrieve a corpse that is beyond feeling or caring, so you can put it back in the ground in a different place? That would be madness. If it were my loved one, I wouldn't want to risk the life of a single other person.
@littlewillowlinda
3 жыл бұрын
At least he got to talk to his wife on the walkie. Small solace since he didn't know it was going to be the last time, but better than nothing. 😔
@IRONMAN000
3 жыл бұрын
My heart sank when they said he could see the rescuer and the rope gave out sending him back in that space. What a horrible way to die.
@Hazbin-hotel-babe
3 жыл бұрын
This is why you dont go alone. This is why you dont go at all
@chanimarie6753
3 жыл бұрын
So sad
@Gmgfjv
3 жыл бұрын
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
@jaceylessthan3233
3 жыл бұрын
We can hope that he was knocked out in the fall, and didn't have long to ruminate after the hope of escape was dashed.
@pkk639
3 жыл бұрын
This really messes me up when I think about it. Not only for the poor guy who was trapped but his family who were with him too. Can you imagine if that was your loved one, that would destroy me.
@angryfluteperson
Жыл бұрын
When I first read about this I felt sick and had trouble falling asleep. I think this is one of the most horrific deaths I could imagine. Slowly dying over the course of many hours, confined in that position in the tiniest space, in pain, knowing full well it was his own doing that got him there. I truly hope he rests in peace and in a better place.
@samuelmeikle5977
Жыл бұрын
I really feel for John but the biggest rule when entering a tight space in caving is never go down head first. You always go legs first because if you get stuck you can still push out. The other issue was it took too long to get cave rescue down there. They called in regular Ems who got stuck themselves and slowed down the rescue. By the time they got to him most of the rescue techniques they could’ve used were unavailable due to his state.
@DailyWorldWideNews945
3 ай бұрын
True, but if you wanted to rob theoigh the birth canal you have to rob with face in front. There is a video of someone who was there in 2005 and kf you watch it you understand why.
@Nikki0417
3 жыл бұрын
His body still being in those caves is the most horrifying part to me.
@morcoroni
3 жыл бұрын
exactly
@lautaroaguilar9584
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I still think about it . 😢
@victorclabaugh1373
3 жыл бұрын
Nah he's dead now that being a release from the terror of being stuck there waiting for possible rescue. I mean after we die our bodies are just waste material our soul or whatever gets to leave.
@thebestlife1174
3 жыл бұрын
What about the people who died on Mount Everest? There are bodies everywhere and no one can bring them home ☹
@sherriweibert3311
3 жыл бұрын
If it were my loved one stuck in there, I would not be able to rest. It's just the thought of his remains, stuck there, forever, all alone. Such a sad story.
@srdjankovic
3 жыл бұрын
How was this considered to be a beginner friendly cave when there are places in it that were unexplored with no warning not to go any further?
@deprofundis3293
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Who tf was in charge of signage? They should have at least had that if not a full block of that side tunnel.
@o_o474
3 жыл бұрын
@@deprofundis3293 Caves like these barely ever have signage and are intended to be left as close to their natural state as possible. The responsibility of safely navigating the cave lies on the caver.
@CoIoneIPanic
3 жыл бұрын
It's beginner friendly because even beginners can have a true cave experience getting permanently stuck hanging upside down like a petrified bat?
@Nvcturnal
3 жыл бұрын
I had this train of thought too, but then I remember skiing/snowboarding is the exact same way. You have green designated slopes and bunny slopes, both the easiest slopes, but if you veer off the path just 10 feet you could suddenly find yourself in sheer steep "backcountry" territory.
@FNLNFNLN
3 жыл бұрын
@@Nvcturnal Yeah, but ski slopes usually have fencing or signage to stop you from going down the wrong path.
@SnarlyCharly
2 жыл бұрын
My anxiety about claustrophobic spaces is absolutely EXPLODING as I watch this. I can't even imagine going into a cave and crawling through passages like this. I would be dead from a heart attack before I could even die of anything else. Absolutely horrifying
@editaudioaesthetic
Жыл бұрын
there was too much foreshadowing for pia not to die like that. if they did do some kind of fight.. that would be defeating the purpose of this episode, i feel, since it would be the most dramatic ending and therefore the most entertaining, the most sadistic
@user-ff3mv6md8n
9 ай бұрын
Same here bro
@EminencePhront
Жыл бұрын
I remember I was exploring a cave far shallower than this one, and 100% charted. There was one spot where you had to shimmy between the ceiling and the floor and it was so skinny that even a slender person like me had to suck it in to fit through, and even then it was slow going. It probably took about 60 seconds to get through. During that time I thought "if there is an earthquake right now, this is it." I haven't gone caving since. I stick to safer hobbies like motorcycling without full gear.
@josephj6521
9 ай бұрын
Haha. Without full gear. I’ve never been in a cave where I couldn’t stand up freely.
@DjVortex-w
2 жыл бұрын
And, of course, when they declared this cave (most of which was so narrow that you had to literally crawl to get through) "beginner-friendly" they never thought of sealing off or marking the parts that were unexplored and thus not to be ventured into. Because who would ever get lost in a set of dark extremely narrow passages and take the wrong turn? In my opinion a "beginner-friendly" cave is one that you can walk upright completely through, with the correct path being clearly marked. Anything harder than that isn't "beginner-friendly".
@hannahkillian689
2 жыл бұрын
Like lava tubes. Those you can walk upright in.
@kalumbailey5103
2 жыл бұрын
That wouldn't be caving though, that'd be like saying build a ladder down a cliff so you can go 'beginner' rock climbing.
@doctorspockable
2 жыл бұрын
@@kalumbailey5103 caving is exploring a cave system. Just because you prefer more difficult caves doesn't mean they're for everyone
@MikaMikhailMikhailovich
2 жыл бұрын
@@doctorspockable i'll have to agree with Kalum there beginner-friendly should be something that would introduce you to a real caving experience in a safe environment, crawling isn't hard if you've ever been under a bed you know that with enough space over your head moving isn't an issue you also have to remember caving is an extreme sport that you exercise for the adrenaline, what a beginner friendly cave needs are instructor people that can accompany newbies and remind experienced folks that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer and that you're still in a fucking tunnel underground in the dark which continues on for miles and miles
@doctorspockable
2 жыл бұрын
@@MikaMikhailMikhailovich I didn't say more dangerous levels of caving were banned, did I? Most beginners, especially if its your first time underground, would prefer a little more space. Standing up, possibly crouching, not squeezing through a tunnel where it's in on all sides. You're right that they should have had guides there, but the key part of your first sentence was "safe environment". Nutty Putty was not a beginner cave. If you have to squeeze through gaps, it's not for beginners unless you have an experienced guide, which this group didn't. It also didn't help this was a) John's first time in the cave and b) it was already 8pm when they entered.
@curiousottman
3 жыл бұрын
The rescuers are true heroes. Even though they couldn’t succeed just imagine going down there; the kind of talent, skill and nerves of steel you’d need. So sorry for John’s family.
@RocKnight11
3 жыл бұрын
You ain't kidding. I wouldn't go in there willingly, yet it is these rescuers' job to do so. What happened to this John Jones guy is my worst nightmare. RIP John.
@lok777
3 жыл бұрын
They saved two young children in separate incidents in the same part of the cave with the same pulley system. Jones was just to heavy and the pulley system would not support his weight. As horrific as this was I could not imagine waiting with a child for 5 hours trapped in this situation waiting for rescuers.
@WolvenDragonZ
3 жыл бұрын
@@lok777 you'd think after that they would have plugged or labeled that section before a third person tried it Edit:typo
@vividvault9285
3 жыл бұрын
@@WolvenDragonZ It wasn't the necessarily same section of cave.
@tammymeads5486
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed they are! I couldn’t have done that. I’m extremely claustrophobic. Had I of been called to that scene, I would of been like “hell na, sorry”
@davidchodds
Жыл бұрын
I've heard this story a dozen times on KZitem. But you present it in the most perfect way possible. All facts, no sensationalism, and just personal enough that we get an honest portrayal and yet feel all the angst of all involved as well.
@gem9089
3 ай бұрын
I truly can't imagine how John felt. This is absolutely horrific. I'm clostrophonic & am struggling to breathe just watching this!
@antony1397
Ай бұрын
Surely his "god" could have saved him, or given him the wisdom to not go into a clay fucking hole beneath the earth upside down.
@Rose0004
3 жыл бұрын
"Unaware of the danger, John crawled onwards, until he couldn't." Such a sad, terrifying sentence.
@arianebolt1575
3 жыл бұрын
Such a simple way to get horrifically trapped
@atnfn
3 жыл бұрын
Never been in a cave so perhaps there is something I don't understand... but. It seems stupid crawling head first down a narrow vertical tunnel. What was he thinking? Maybe you get disoriented in caves and don't know what is up or down? I donno.
@DeadKraken
3 жыл бұрын
@@atnfn I think it was probably because he thought he was in one of the charted "safe" tunnels, which means that he maybe thought at some point the tunnel was gonna get wider enough to turn back. Since it's vertical it's also possible that he simply slipped down without meaning to. I dunno, it seemed stupid to me as well, but I'd never crawl in a fuckin tunnel in the first place. I'm 5'2, so the moment I cannot stand in a cave, mine or tunnel, I'm out lol
@arianebolt1575
3 жыл бұрын
@@DeadKraken I've done a little polar bear caving (so narrow it's not even crawling), which was fun. But that was in Mammoth Cave, with a tour guide making sure nobody got lost.
@tygrenvoltaris4782
3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of destiny "And for centuries humanity thrived, until it didn't"
@willglo
3 жыл бұрын
If this cave was marked fit for beginners... Then I can't even imagine seeing a cave marked fit for experts & pros!
@ventu7907
3 жыл бұрын
I have seen caves marked for experts that are better mapped and have bigger spaces
@QCrafty
3 жыл бұрын
Well remember, the part he went to explore was def not marked for beginners considering it had never been explored. I feel like there should’ve been mandatory guides.
@9trogenta13
3 жыл бұрын
Think of the ones that get flooded
@youtubegimme8646
3 жыл бұрын
MOUNT MOON XDDDD XDD (POKÉMON REFERENCE NOT MANY WOULD GET XD)
@aheinz308
3 жыл бұрын
Most of the cave was good for beginners he was just in the few place there weren't.
@EfficientTrout
2 жыл бұрын
3:50 the way he tells it gives me shivers. Amazing storytelling ability
@rowlands_
2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the movie on this incident and had an anxiety attack just watching the movie and picturing being in that situation. Upon further investigation of this- the movie sugarcoats alot of the circumstances. The fact that until the rescue came he was in darkness, he suffered from hallucinations and a few panic attacks, he couldn’t breathe, his legs hurt like hell (and the only thing to help the pain was a UV in his toe that they gave him like 15-20 hrs into being stuck) and the thing that acually killed him- a very painful organ failure & a heart attack, all while hanging UPSIDE DOWN knowing that he was leaving his child and wife who was expecting the two’s 2nd child.
@Mephisto-ie2xg
Жыл бұрын
THEY MADE A MOVIE OF THIS???
@MikeMaris
3 жыл бұрын
The saddest part of this whole thing is that he was so close to being saved
@georgeannaflook1016
3 жыл бұрын
exactly, everyone was probably so optimistic
@SSaNNEE100
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. There was no chance because of the angle he was stuck in. Only way was to break his legs which would have caused a shock and would have killed him as well. So the only only way could have been if he wasnt stupid enough to stick his head into every hole and went feet first instead.
@darksnow1111
3 жыл бұрын
@@SSaNNEE100 Not only that, he also inhaled a deep one to shift his rib cage so he could fit in, which caused him to stuck.
@housetheunstoppablessed4846
3 жыл бұрын
@Alex W Ah yes because your hatred of Religion certainly is the main topic in a place like this.
@v-town1980
3 жыл бұрын
@Alex W another big mouthed atheist.
@danielle228512
3 жыл бұрын
I’m having anxiety just looking at the map. I can’t even imagine beginners would want to squeeze themselves through that
@S_Cooper0404
3 жыл бұрын
Just listening to this makes me so claustrophobic that I feel like I can't breathe.
@hamsterama
3 жыл бұрын
And it's not like this guy got into this situation by an unforeseen accident. It mean, it's not a true accident, like getting stuck in a fragile building in an earthquake, or a car crash. He chose to go down into that cave for entertainment purposes. This guy had a wife and a kid, so why he would take those risks, I don't know. At age 26, he should have known better.
@terminallove3531
3 жыл бұрын
@@hamsterama He thought he was in Birth Canal,which was safe-ish.
@hamsterama
3 жыл бұрын
@@terminallove3531 Might be safe-ish, but climbing into a cave would still carry some risk. There's a reason the average person doesn't go spelunking in unlit caves for fun. It's because it can be dangerous. If you have a family, there are safe alternatives "tourist traps," like Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, or the Ohio Caverns, for a couple examples.
@moviemad56
3 жыл бұрын
@@hamsterama I agree. Painful indeed for his family and friends, but he chose to go down there at NINE OCLOCK AT NIGHT. Tell me that isn't reckless. He also endangered the rescuers.
@kollow
2 жыл бұрын
I explored the Nutty Putty caves back in the 90's. I would say most people knew where the limits were. I didn't study the cave beforehand and I didn't have safety gear. All you had to do was look down into the area John got stuck and your instincts told you "that's a hard pass"
@maddys7281
Жыл бұрын
The birth canal and onwards looks insanely narrow too. How does one turn around after going through that?
@hannahhannah7002
Жыл бұрын
@@maddys7281birth canal opens into a wider area that you can turn around in
@matthewmarsh1971
Жыл бұрын
@@hannahhannah7002 is there any video of that online? I look at this stuff like who the hell was the first person to go down that and figure out they could turn around? I'm wondering how many people have been where John got stuck and wiggled backwards. Maybe @kollow?
@hannahhannah7002
Жыл бұрын
@matthewmarsh1971 I do believe CBG has videos of it and a couple other caving videos on other channels, regardless he was no where near the birth canal. He got lost and ended up in area called Ed's push
@matthewmarsh1971
Жыл бұрын
@@hannahhannah7002 i womder who named it eds push. I want to see eds comments
@Steve-fv7zc
Жыл бұрын
To think he died literally the day before Thanksgiving. That must have been a hard one for his family to endure. :(
@epmcgee
Жыл бұрын
What's pathetic is that the cave access manager talks about how they tried to rush it and get a pronunciation of death before thanksgiving so that the family wouldn't be reminded on thanksgiving every year. As if that changes their loss, or how it would affect them the very next day.
@batwom4304
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that some find jamming themselves further and further into a dark artery lined with rock ‘relaxing’ and ‘fun’ makes me want to reevaluate literally everything ever.
@jonathanallard2128
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they don't find it relaxing, more like adrenaline rushing. That said I completely understand your point and I agree. I've had enough nightmares about getting stuck in tight spaces I know my anxiety would never allow that kind of hobby.
@SweetUniverse
3 жыл бұрын
P.S. ♥️♥️♥️ your profile pic
@jonathanallard2128
3 жыл бұрын
@@SweetUniverse Thanks.
@jine7123
3 жыл бұрын
Your brain is working as nature intended. The same can't be said for people who pursue activities that pose a great risk to their lives...
@jonathanallard2128
3 жыл бұрын
@@jine7123 I'm sure there's an evolutionary purpose that somehow helps tribal survival about pursuing danger, as unintuitive as it sounds.
@DOGBRAIND
3 жыл бұрын
this man was literally dying and when asked how he was doing he just said "this sucks"
@nickie7874
3 жыл бұрын
Sad ...
@doxasophosmoros
3 жыл бұрын
They are Mormons. They prayed and sung, mostly. Read the articles
@Jay-rc5ix
3 жыл бұрын
@@doxasophosmoros I'm not surprised, but... if it helped him relax in his last moments, then I'm glad. I hope he got some kind of closure.
@DaRealKing303
3 жыл бұрын
Mormons are some of the most polite people I have met.
@Hwwgameplay
3 жыл бұрын
@@nickie7874 what a legend though, I would not have handled it nearly as well
@alexshank1414
Жыл бұрын
Why didn’t he do something more interesting, like rearranging his sock drawer?
@Joshow313
7 күн бұрын
Recently I had my very first and exciting caving experience. The cave was huge, brightly lit, had hundreds of people walking upright, with rails to hold onto. It smelled like a wet basement but there was no sense of doom and gloom, just beauty. I gotta give people props for venturing outside the norm and doing what they love despite the risks. RIP to John.
@usevim2269
3 жыл бұрын
God, I’ve heard this story a 1000 times and it still freaks me out. Poor guy. I also can’t imagine how traumatized the rescuers were...
@lawka2699
3 жыл бұрын
I dont get why they couldn't drill him out. I really wish I could have heard the onsluaght of suggestions by the people involved in the rescue. I mean, with all the technology we have to day... It seems it should have been doable??
@Lucian0410
3 жыл бұрын
Skip Skylark not in a tunnle that narrow, how do you expect them to even fit the tools down there? Plus, thats solid rock on rock on rock, no way they would he able to chip that away in time It was an inpossible situation, judging by the shape of the passage he shouldnt had even been able to get his legs through there. But he somehow did
@ladymopar2024
3 жыл бұрын
It is played 4 people that are just beginning to go caving.
@KevinJohnson-sm4jc
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the drills could be positioned to do much, explosives were the only thing to move that rock, and well, you know the outcome. These guys that squeeze into tiny cracks and crevices, I don't get it.
@stevusbeefus
3 жыл бұрын
@@lawka2699 falling rock would have crushed him lol
@whimsicalclouds
3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the saddest stories I've heard in a while. He got so close to being rescued, only to slip back into his grave. I can't imagine the pain he must have felt, nor how terrible it must have been for his family and the rescue team
@TruthTe11er
3 жыл бұрын
This is the only video on this guy I've seen that mentions him being pulled high enough to make eye contact with the rescuer and him slipping back down. Horrific.
@Davidman3976
3 жыл бұрын
@@TruthTe11er Other sources mention that the space was so narrow they couldn't pull him out because his feet almost touched the ceiling and the only posibility to get him out was to break his legs. He was in an inverted L, facing the wrong direction. The problem always was that there was no room at all and literally nothing could be done if he wasn't able to at least turn around.
@jackierocha5096
3 жыл бұрын
At that point if I was in that situation I would’ve been begging someone to just kill me so I wouldn’t have to suffer any longer. Even if it was possible to survive a second attempt, I wouldn’t have the emotional strength to have them try again
@mahogany_black8756
3 жыл бұрын
Jackie Rocha same here.....
@beans6765
3 жыл бұрын
Should’ve just threw a bunch of dynamite down there and explode him so it would’ve been quick and the cave would be bigger
@RenegadeShepTheSpacer
Жыл бұрын
The fall itself is likely what killed him. I get that he was still breathing raggedly afterwards, but with blood pooling in his head for so long, a fall that was almost certainly headfirst onto solid rock must have ruptured something and caused his brain to haemorrhage. It's a terrible, hollow truth, but he probably didn't suffocate to death in the end.
@crosisofborg5524
Жыл бұрын
How exactly is your conjecture considered a truth?
@Laura-kl7vi
Жыл бұрын
I hope so. Because as an almost-MD (4th year med student), he knew exactly what was happening as his body had been shutting down. I hope the fall knocked him out instantly so he never knew more than he was going to get out.
@RenegadeShepTheSpacer
Жыл бұрын
@@crosisofborg5524Because I understand the medical science behind the issue regardless of whether or not you do, and that makes it a probable theory, not baseless conjecture. He stopped speaking after the fall for a reason.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
9 ай бұрын
When I heard that he wasn’t responding, I felt relief that the terror was over for him, even if it did tragically mean his death
@kevinmalone3210
9 ай бұрын
He literally crawled into that crevice. He was still lucid when the attempts were made to rescue him.
@jefferoni1984
Жыл бұрын
I’ve never though of myself as claustrophobic but I could barely get through this. The terror that young man must’ve felt. The thought makes my stomach churn. What a terrible situation.
@oystersnag
3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Utah and explored the nutty putty caves with a group of friends, all young teens. I had no experience and didn't know what i was getting myself into. We had a fun time and all got out with no issue. Watching these videos about John makes me almost paralyzed with fear, knowing it could easily have been me. I'm glad these caves are sealed off now. Even being an invulnerable teenager, I felt uneasy when I was down in those caves.
@littlemizredhead
3 жыл бұрын
That would have been my brother if my parents hadn't refused to let him go with his scout group the week before.
@wrenfield7887
3 жыл бұрын
My friends would go when we were teenagers, I could never talk myself into going though. Glad I didn’t.
@AB-mx1de
3 жыл бұрын
I always refused when friends would go in the early 2000s. I am claustrophobic and it made me nervous to even think about going inside. When this tragedy unfolded I was horrified. My future husband almost asked me on a group date there and felt he shouldn't do so, am glad he did not!
@shanesgettinghandy
3 жыл бұрын
I've been through the birth canal and back, twice. I'm 130 lbs, and it was tight for me, and I had friends way bigger than me size go through it somehow..... I still don't understand how they did it.
@andrewsld
3 жыл бұрын
if more people would stop when they feel uneasy, a lot fewer people would die doing this
@Lyvee93
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing about this cave system sounds good for beginners.
@michaelbeholder
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@melissajohnson2935
3 жыл бұрын
Right!
@NivellenMcJazzy
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it doesn't sound very fun for anyone considering how narrow they're describing it but maybe I only think that because you couldn't pay me enough money to enter any cave
@Lyvee93
3 жыл бұрын
Big Man Gaming I’ve been spelunking and it’s terrifying but a blast! We almost got caught in a flash flood though. 😬
@325aliceI
3 жыл бұрын
Right?! I would think beginner caves would have a walk path with handrail and adequate lighting.......and maybe even handicap accessible...!
@willstuart4504
Жыл бұрын
Not many stories can actually bother me, probably have been desensitized by years of watching heartbreaking stories like this one, but if I'm being completely honest here... this terrible tragedy gives me the eeby-geebies. Can't even imagine the FEAR
@luispt77
Жыл бұрын
After hearing this story a couple of times I still can't believe they didn't have signs or markings on the wall to tell to not go through the uncharted territory or even to inform where the entrance to birth canal was. Especially since somehow this was consideres a beginner friendly cave.
@alisonwilson9749
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, you can't stick signs up everywhere underground. Caving is not for the inexperienced, except under close supervision by, and under the orders of, experienced persons who know the system thoroughly, who are responsible people and keep beginners firmly on straightforward routes. I've only caved twice, both times with a very experienced leader who trains cavers and is a member of Cave Rescue. I wouldn't dream of wandering off on my own.
@Laura-kl7vi
Жыл бұрын
@@alisonwilson9749 Cave reopened in 2009 requiring 2 experienced cavers to be with a group their size. John and his brother signed up as experienced cavers, because they had been experienced when they were kids and teens. Some believe they made decisions indicating they were no longer actually experienced up to date cavers.
@independentthought3390
9 ай бұрын
@@Laura-kl7vi I just watched the 2005 videos, pretty much the only videos ever made to show the insides of the Nutty Putty cave, and inspected the map of the cave from 2004, and I am 99% sure the "Birth canal story" was made up by his brother, to show them in a more positive light. If you've ever seen the map, there is no way to mistake Ed's push with Birth canal. To enter the Birth canal, you just need to keep right after the Slide. In truth, they were deliberately entering the less known tunnels, competing to get as far in as possible.
@ashtonsmith9682
9 ай бұрын
If that’s true than both him and brother were pi’s Darwin Award winners.
@cinnamon962
7 ай бұрын
Well, it’s a “sign” if you are squeezing through holes that you don’t know where they lead.
@smbcollector
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you just really want the story to have a happy ending.
@benperez8424
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I cant stop reading about it
@jere8066
3 жыл бұрын
Yup😂
@Lupuscrafter
3 жыл бұрын
It said pretty much at the start that he would die... But yeah its sad it ended this way
@deViant14
3 жыл бұрын
You can tell when they don't interview them for the show that they're probably dead....wait that's not right 🤔
@cassidypresley3271
3 жыл бұрын
It's like......here today, yet you maybe gone tomorrow: life is short. Enjoy 😉 😉 it.....well you can!!
@liquidstereomusic
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly props to the landowner. This is a case where many caving sites would probably attempt to sweep it under the rug, but this guy was so appalled he actually wanted to dynamite the cave.
@ryanslattery9340
3 жыл бұрын
i love that guy
@shikenkanade
3 жыл бұрын
I'd bomb it too if it was my property. I'd spam the place with bombs.
@Dimension2010
3 жыл бұрын
Understandable, cause we guys just want to blow up something big and nice at least once in our life for whatever reason.
@billysolhurok5542
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dimension2010 blow'd up good
@mhm77887
3 жыл бұрын
agreed. the guy was very responcible.
@ashleigh_whatever
Жыл бұрын
Those men who tried their hardest to save him, are so brave. I couldn't do it. I experienced a panic attack just watching this 11 minute video, they worked for hours!
@jessicafouse3760
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched most of your videos and this is one that kept me on the edge of my seat and brought tears to my eyes. RIP John
@cubby6988
2 жыл бұрын
Red flag one for me would have been when they said “here’s a great beginner cave, only you have to crawl”.. Just listening to this made my skin crawl, absolutely horrifying.
@landonp629
2 жыл бұрын
"Beginner cave" does not mean a tourist cave, it means a cave that lacks a lot of immediate danger. It means a cave where you don't have to swim, where you won't fall down random 40 foot pits, fall of ledges, etc. It has nothing to do with how much crawling is involved - as crawling is not anything out of the ordinary for a beginning cave explorer. I think many people here are confusing 'beginner cave' with the idea that its a cave appropriate for lay people to go exploring around in - and that is NOT what it means.
@emstink
2 жыл бұрын
@@landonp629 Appreciate the info. But bear in mind most people have no idea about cave exploring and won't know the terminology, and therefore without any explanation will think "beginner cave" = "cave for beginners", which in the mind of people who've never done cave exploring means you have freedom of movement.
@MarkSentMe
2 жыл бұрын
@@landonp629 Thanks for clarifying that. I hear "beginner cave" and I'm thinking walking upright, bats, stalactites, school kids in Jordans sneaking off for a smoke...
@UncoordinatedPixie
2 жыл бұрын
Go read how you had To get INTO the cave.
@Randy.Bobandy
2 жыл бұрын
@@landonp629 that’s why “beginner cave” is a stupidly ambiguous term that most lay people would assume to mean “safe”.
@Gunners_Mate_Guns
Жыл бұрын
Imagine a situation so terrible that there is not even a way to retrieve your dead body. This is nightmare fuel of medieval proportions.
@Smedley1947
3 ай бұрын
Like the Titanic submersible that imploded. Although they were dead probably 5 milliseconds, I'm sure they were aware that it was about to happen due to the popping sounds Etc.
@Flamamacue
Жыл бұрын
Beyond me how there exists such an insane hobby as extreme as cave exploring that doesn't have a robust, widely understood system that says "don't go this way, it's too small" when part of the hobby is that you have to push through small gaps at times to get to openings. Literally some red paint or a cross if a path shouldn't be explored.
@TarantuLandoCalcuLingus
Жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. I used to be a caver, having only gotten really scared once. Freaked out and let it pass and thought clearly. This is not the same scenario. Out of all the gear that experienced cavers have on their person, why not a can of red paint? A univeral language would be born and hopefully a movement. Mark the unmapped passages, so at least you have a warning
@Flamamacue
Жыл бұрын
@@TarantuLandoCalcuLingus especially after that particular path had already required a rescue of a small child. I get the desire to not gate it off but a simple warning or label that that is a very tight dead-end that ISN'T the Birth Canal seems like an extremely common sense system to have in place. I get there's probably some sentiment of wanting to explore and not have it laid out for you but good lord.
@TarantuLandoCalcuLingus
Жыл бұрын
@@Flamamacue i know, i made an op but nobody will see it so i will tell you. With a popular tourist area wouldnt it be wise to have an above ground replica so people can at least try challenging sections before going undergound? Seems feasible to me
@PurpleMintSam
3 жыл бұрын
It's official, folks. We've found the worst way to die.
@ClickClack_Bam
3 жыл бұрын
Everest is the worst imo. For starters there's the 'rainbow ridge' you'll see. It's really a 'rainbow cemetery'. Called that because the snow is white but the HUNDREDS of dead bodies there have different colored clothing on to present a rainbow of sorts. You'll be thinking about that one a lot harder with the rest of my post... There's little landmarks so the things they use are the dead bodies frozen along the way. See there's a point of no return where all climbers agree 'it's every man for themselves' past that point. This is because you can't carry more supplies than what you yourself need. You can't carry rescue supplies. So it's a 'if you need rescued past this point, you've got to rescue YOURSELF' kind of thing going on. So those landmarks are people who were intentionally not rescued! There's stories of 50+ climbers passing people by on the way up & encountering other climbers who BEGGED them for help. They were still alive for those 50+ people on the way down & they each left them to die & become Everest horror story landmarks that you'll pass by... So when you pass those bodies & see their faces, you're looking at their BEGGING for their life faces frozen from that day forward! Everest also causes people to hallucinate from the thin air. For some reason people get really hot & rip off their clothes & freeze to death. Others jump off the cliff. So when you see these bodies it's a real life fucking reminder of what might happen to you & there's HUNDREDS of bodies there where this shit happened to! Imagine climbing this & your loved one needs helped. Nobody including you can do shit to help them. You'll have to live with that if you live but you'll be dying knowing you'll become a landmark....
@chrisash1929
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClickClack_Bam is this from personal experience? Because....wow. I was thinking while watching this that john is still in that cave, even in death, forever entombed, which i hope isn't true. But hearing your story...i bet those frozen 100s of people still wander that mountain in death. Perhaps they cheer on those nearing the summit that still live? Or do they trek on, eventually reaching the top, and wait there? Heh. The idea of 100s of ghosts sitting atop mount Everest.... that gives one chills, no pun intended.
@CiaronCinnfhaelidh
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClickClack_Bam This sounds to be on the opposite end of the spectrum that "being stuck in a tight cave system" might inhabit-- but psychologically speaking. Where death surrounds you in a corporeal, physical form, reminding you of just how close you are to your mortality when up on everest or K2, there's the vast lack of reminders, but all the varying possibilities of different potential ways to die in a cave system lurking in the back of your mind, ready to spring up at a moment's notice. How will I die first if I got stuck in a small crawlspace? Lack of oxygen? Will I die of thirst? Maybe I'll die a week later from hunger, as I slowly come to grips days before that this is how I'm going to die--slowly in the dark, essentially burried alive because my physiology locked me in such a position that only way out was to somehow break my bones and simultaneously crawl backwards and out. I think--personally-- dying in the free environment of Everest, with the cold, and thin air ensuring you definitely won't suffer for much too long after, would be a sort of cold comfort, juxtaposed to being trapped from ever moving again against rock and earth. There's also the lingering hope of being saved--however faint and unlikely--would be far easier than in a cave system under who knows how much tonnage of earth and rock, with every inch you progress into the cave system making it that much harder to get to you. That, and the fact that my body will not be forever lost in an uncharted cave system, but stand as a warning for others to not take plight in my follies, lands Everest as not the worst way to die for me. This is of course, in comparison to an unplanned burial, as you scream for help. But help can only do so much if it ever comes, while youre slowly dying in the span of days, because maybe you're unlucky and could still breathe freely as you cry to the cold void for help that will only be answered in your decay. Good thing no one explores cave systems on their own, and the worst thing to happen while being saved is the caves collapse as they try to drill out an escape.
@ClickClack_Bam
3 жыл бұрын
@@CiaronCinnfhaelidh The same ways exist on Everest to die as in a cave system for the better part of it. Maybe minus the flooding that could happen. You could fall into a deep crevasse. You'll be pinned just like in a caving system but in the Sub-Zero temps. If you can't climb out you're stuck in place just like a cave. Avalanche, rock slide could have you smashed in place & your likelihood of being rescued IS ZERO unlike the few people that have EVER been stuck while caving. So you're a MILLION-fold times safer while caving than on Everest with it's 4% death rate. K2 with it's 30% death rate. Show me ANY cave with those numbers. The reminders on Everest are everywhere. Hundreds of reminders. There are dead bodies everywhere. They're used as landmarks. I think you'd feel different once you've passed by 200 dead bodies & then got yourself stuck in a bad way. No cave system shows you the death, the real death you'll be facing.
@PrimateProductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@ClickClack_Bam yes you already said all of that on the other comment...geez...just because thst obviously scares the hell out of you many of us find this situation much scarier @
@cedesect
2 жыл бұрын
ive heard this story many time before, and the words, "i really, really want to get out" still sends chills down my spine. tragic.
@wiseauserious8750
2 жыл бұрын
Plus he was a medical student so he was acutely aware of the physiological traumas that his body was undergoing
@cedesect
2 жыл бұрын
@@wiseauserious8750 oh :(
@kaytea0963
2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine being a family member knowing his body is still stuck down there. I know it's been sealed but part of me is just so uncomfortable with that
@SilverScreenDreamer
2 жыл бұрын
@@kaytea0963 agreed, especially since he wanted so badly to get out. I hate that his final resting place is literally the place where he went through hell, and now his body is trapped there forever.
@electrictroy2010
2 жыл бұрын
1000s of people get buried underground every day. This is really no different
@idlehands1111111111
2 жыл бұрын
Crawling into your own grave and not even realizing it. Caving, not even once.
@annieeames2282
Жыл бұрын
My grandfather used to go caving, he never had something like this happen, but his stories had already had be noping away from any cave, and THIS just seals the deal
@venator9536
3 жыл бұрын
You know, I'm used to watch videos on gruesome crimes or weird stuff like that and my tolerance for "horror" stuff is pretty high, but this for some reason hits differently. As you were describing the events unfold, I found myself breathing abnormally, feeling unwell and very anxious. The idea of getting stuck somewhere dark that you cant move a single muscle and slowly dying as you witness rescuers unable to help you... Is just the ultimate nightmare from my perspective. Now seeing how he is a skeleton still stuck down there truly makes my mind uneasy.
@xpan195
3 жыл бұрын
Same, when I first heard about this story years ago I was absolutely horrified and disturbed by the entire terrible ordeal of people trying to bring him out and failing. Like playing tug of war with the jaws of a monster only to leave him there. In a dark, cold, claustrophobic cave, alone. I think it’s because every aspect of this story goes against just every person’s inherent fear of suffocatingly small spaces and the dark and being trapped alone. If this story doesn’t keep people getting into these terrifying situations, idk what will
@tobytheoceanlinerbuilder1078
3 жыл бұрын
Yep I found out about this story when I was in year 6 at school and I generally couldn’t sleep for days and I will never now go into a crawl tight cave ever even though it was 4 years ago I still feel the pain and suffering the poor guy went through I just hope they never open the cave again because he deserves to have a peaceful resting place. Rest peacefully John
@barbararab6390
3 жыл бұрын
It definetly feels like his soul might also be trapped down there, unable to get out
@carjockey2135
3 жыл бұрын
his body wouldn't even be in the same place now, remember he couldn't fit through the hole and he was upside down. as his body was decaying, eventually, it fell through whatever hole he was in. so..... that means randomly, weeks to months later in that sealed up silent cave, there was an ehco, a bomb of a body falling somewhere. and then. silent once more.
@joshgobble
3 жыл бұрын
@@barbararab6390 you are a ridiculous person
@raydunakin
3 жыл бұрын
I read about this in the news when it happened. As someone who is a bit claustrophobic, this still makes me shudder every time I think about it.
@InVinoVeratas
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t see the appeal in shoving yourself into a hole you don’t necessarily know where it will end up.
@InarusLynx
3 жыл бұрын
I am at 4:29 and specifically came looking for a comment like this. As soon as it was described how he crawled down a tight passage, I was creeped out. I could not imagine doing something like this.
@jizzyjake6783
3 жыл бұрын
I never regarded myself as claustrophobic but I'm beginning to reconsider
@Dougie1969
3 жыл бұрын
If I had to choose how to die this would be below burning or drowning
OMG!! I lived in Utah for 11 years and never once even heard of the Nutty Putty caves or I probably would have hiked in there! Thanks for bringing this to our attention! I love that you address items that either didn't get much national attention or that we've forgotten about. I shared your episode on the Cleveland Clinic with a friend from Ohio who had had heart surgery there and he had never even heard of it.
@Romeu021
Жыл бұрын
I honestly don't understand why those people find fascinating do put themselves in tiny, claustrophobic, dark places where you can barely move and breathe, but that's just me
@rallytonight8491
3 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the moment when he realized that he was NEVER going to get out?
@birdielee4328
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to think he was in full denial and gradually became delirious.
@mojopopo
3 жыл бұрын
I would also for a gun and to be alone
@PBRatLord
3 жыл бұрын
He was most likely knocked unconscious when he dropped back down, that rush of blood and that jerking stop when he had already been in that state for so long was probably too much for his brain. I'd like to think that besides the snapping rope, his final moments were spent with a sense of relief at being able to at least see someone again, if only briefly...
@joayriaali
3 жыл бұрын
OMG 😱🤢😥
@Kraken9911
3 жыл бұрын
@@mojopopo He couldn't even kill himself. His arms were locked in place one arm behind his back and the other I forgot where but useless.
@TheGoodDoktor4451
3 жыл бұрын
I have literally never felt this much anxiety just lying in bed.
@davidmitchley1144
3 жыл бұрын
Same...rough.
@sheenal4868
3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@hassan050428
3 жыл бұрын
Same 🤣
@Sebastiantheonewithlonghair
3 жыл бұрын
Me too. What a horrifying fate.
@monda7806
3 жыл бұрын
Same lmao
@serenawilliams6138
Жыл бұрын
This story truly terrifies me. I have heard countless other horror stories about caving and cave diving gone wrong, but this particular tale hits a real nerve. I simply can’t imagine how I would have handled this nightmare of a situation (I wouldn’t go into a cave hole unless it was a life or death kind of thing in the first place) but I have to give this poor guy credit for keeping it together. I would have very literally lost my Sh$t big time or would have asked for an overdose of morphine so I could have just died right away. What time did they all go into that cave? I tend to think that going in at nighttime (9pm) it’s a little late to go spelunking, and right before Thanksgiving. Why not go home and watch a football game? And stay away from anything called “birth canal” -he didn’t actually go through Birth Canal-he went through death canal, but it’s better to stay away from things that sound like, or rhyme with hell! Anyone who has ever birthed a baby knows that it’s not something that necessarily is guaranteed to go smoothly.
@Simp_Zone
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most horrifying stories period. What a horrible way to go 😳😳😳
@Firestarter123
10 ай бұрын
Exactly what i was thinking, ive experienced some heavy things but if this happened to me? oh man, morphine or a bullet in my head straight away. No way that i am gonna experience that horrible stress of being stuck
@Sacheen81
4 ай бұрын
I TOTALLY AGREE with you about the overdose of Morphine. That was the first thing I thought of... Well, besides the fact that I'd NEVER have gone down there to begin with! What an AWFUL way to go, and he suffered for sooooo long! I am not a paragon of bravery, if have begged for them to at least knock me out!!! RIP
@Tindometari
Жыл бұрын
This is the problem with extreme sports: It is *so* easy for inexperienced people to underestimate the hazards involved -- especially when they are over-convinced of both their own skills and the situation's 'safety'. And it only takes *one* error.
@happyfacefries
3 жыл бұрын
Just gotta say search and rescue to teams are so underappreciated. Risking your own life every time and if they didn't make it, that would wreck me
@jonathanallard2128
3 жыл бұрын
Real heroes
@JasonMahipat
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard this story so many times now, and I still can’t get over how terrible a fate this is.
@Bernieboii36
3 жыл бұрын
There’s a movie on it called The last descent
@Bernieboii36
3 жыл бұрын
It’s very sad but quite good I would recommend watching it if u r interested
@thelegendlink8111
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bernieboii36 where can i watch it?
@king_sutter
3 жыл бұрын
@@thelegendlink8111 Amazon Prime Video
@leval1000
3 жыл бұрын
What was his motive to go down there?
@wendygreeff205
Жыл бұрын
So often KZitem videos identified as horrifying are anything but. This one lived up to its reputation. What a sad and tragic story. RIP John.
@MinusColorGoji23
Жыл бұрын
damn he gone now r.i.p
@Expiredbeefsteak
9 ай бұрын
Something scary is that the rescuers reported that the last things John said was gurgled because of all the blood pressure on his head
@ericduncan7266
8 ай бұрын
Yea that’s crazy. One of the worse deaths imaginable. And it’s not like it was quick. It lasted for 27 hours
@joekite8689
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that he is still there to this day haunts me.
@gdesiree29
3 жыл бұрын
Ya same. It's not like his body was removed and he got a proper burial. He's still there, upside-down in a dark cave wearing the same clothes 12 years later
@thebigtricky9156
2 жыл бұрын
As opposed to being buried underground elsewhere ? AS far as burial sites go, he has an entire cave sytem as his own Tomb. his coffin was created over milllions of years. I think people forget why we bury dead people. Its seems to me people want to bury there dead for convenience. when you bury sombody in a place, its firstly becuase we cant leave dead people laying about, and second becuase it creates a place of memorial. seems to me both needs are filled. I for one would prefer this burial, than being placed in a line with every other smoe that has passed.
@barneyboyle6933
2 жыл бұрын
T H E F A C T T H A T
@shastsle
2 жыл бұрын
@@thebigtricky9156 He said he wanted to get out of the cave so they should have gotten him out even when he was already dead.
@NicxCoay
2 жыл бұрын
@♃_неороманист_♃ Wow, so you’re a really awful person, huh? I feel bad for you, having to spend everyday with such a horrible person. Must be rough.
@MuffinRecord
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how this channel handles death. Emphasis isn't placed on shock and horror, but instead there is a considerable amount of respect given to those who have passed.
@LastTorgoInParis
3 жыл бұрын
i agree. all the vids iv seen on this channel do a good job of remembering the humanity of the victims and it doenst feel as callous as some other similar channels
@UncoordinatedPixie
3 жыл бұрын
Check out Mr. Ballen. He’s also very good at storytelling and is respectful of the deaths and even did a story about John Jones’s death which is how I found this channel.
@MuffinRecord
3 жыл бұрын
@@UncoordinatedPixie I'll have to take a look, thank you!
@malloryg4251
3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. He shows so much respect for the people who lost their lives, and gives people an opportunity to not only learn about them, but also learn from others mistakes.
@didi012578
3 жыл бұрын
Till you get to the comment section.
@user-lv2ky4ts2l
10 ай бұрын
In spite of this entire horror story, just recently in 2022 a man got stuck in a cave in south dakota. Thankfully after 18 hours rescuers were able to successfully free him so he did not suffer the fate of John Jones. He is very lucky that he was not upside down because he was also stuck in a 90 degree bend but this one was horizontal not vertical, that is the only reason he survived.
@BlitzedPort
Жыл бұрын
Caves so rarely let people go. It's like they're sentient, but not malicious. Like any predator that must eat, it's nature. The caves have complex air currents, like they're breathing. They truly horrify me. Going into the mouth of a cave feels like walking into the mouth of any great beast.
@mariea82
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@sheeshert
Жыл бұрын
Plagiarism
@BlitzedPort
Жыл бұрын
@@sheeshert ???
@jovialasterisk4800
3 жыл бұрын
When you realise claustrophobia is not something that makes you weak but is literally your body and mind making you realise the worst that could happen. Never ignore your body's signs guys.
@ev6558
3 жыл бұрын
Uhhh, not really. Every phobia is irrational, that is literally the definition of phobias. If you are actually in danger and are scared, that's normal. If you can't go into a small room because it's small even though it is perfectly structurally sound and there is no danger, you have a problem.
@jrwizz
3 жыл бұрын
Ive always went with intuition and seem to mostly be ok. Never been hirt too bad thankfully
@Becksnnc
3 жыл бұрын
It's a phobia for a reason. It's irrational. Like the other person said you could be perfectly safe even if in your in a tight spot but your brain is making you panic when there's no reason to. Thats not normal. Being genuinely stuck in a cave and not being able to get out isn't claustrophobic. It's being in actual danger and you have every reason to panic.
@patstaysuckafreeboss8006
3 жыл бұрын
@@Becksnnc Being scared of spiders and small spaces aren't irrational fears. What the fuck is irrational about that?
@revivrevalchn3503
3 жыл бұрын
Fear is something that kept human race alive though. It's relate to our deep and primitive survival instinct like a warning system.
@ADrunkCrayfish
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine dying so tragically in a place called the Nutty Putty Cave.
@dx1450
3 жыл бұрын
Actually when I clicked on the video I thought it was about a miniature golf place or something...
@dx1450
3 жыл бұрын
Actually when I clicked on the video I thought it was about a miniature golf place or something...
@Neil_MALTHUS
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine a piano falling on your head. Wouldn't really matter though, would it? That's the whole point of being dead?
@hotaru8309
3 жыл бұрын
@@Neil_MALTHUS Imagine the world's largest rubberband ball instead, or the sculpture of a giant highchair. It's awful but the point was that someone died by something childish and whimsical sounding whose name makes people instinctively laugh or smile, no matter how much sympathy they have for you. It's unintentionally undignified.
@hotaru8309
3 жыл бұрын
How you're remembered is a part of yourself that you leave behind when you die, so it does have weight wity many people and those that remember them. It's unfortunate, though I'd want to make them smile, probably not that way. Someone I loved had a relative choose a photo they wanted wiped off the face of the earth for being unflattering as the main photo used in all the funeral/rememberance of life ceremony. That I could life with ...er die with. A bad hair day photo that only makes those who knew me well crack up during the service.
@NerdGlitter
Жыл бұрын
who on earth would decide to do something this dangerous with a pregnant wife at home?
@digitaldazzle5836
Жыл бұрын
I have a brother also named Josh and I cannot imagine ever leaving him behind. This gives me such claustrophobia and anxiety. It’s beyond belief! I felt myself being sucked into an abyss, not being able to breathe while watching this.
@taami678
3 жыл бұрын
The real question is why is there no sign in the cave that says “birth canal turn right” or something
@thedolphin5428
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, or one before where he got to that said "DEAD END". Often, in my experience, other cavers leave such signs for the safety of others.
@chatteyj
3 жыл бұрын
You would have thought that when the passageway started going down vertically that he might have questioned if it was the right way to go.
@AB-mx1de
3 жыл бұрын
It was a crude, undeveloped cave in the desert. But it's a fair question. I thought this place was terrifying before this tragedy happened.
@thedolphin5428
3 жыл бұрын
@@AB-mx1de I have done some amateur caving in very similar places. They are just tunnels and holes in the earth that Councils leave open and undeveloped for exploratory fun -- with *complete user liability*. Therefore the golden rules are -- inform someone of arrival and expected departure time, be prepared with proper equipment AND BACK UPS, be fit for the task, take no chances, have good maps and/or use string tracking back to entrance, go with backup mates, no drugs or alcohol, never enter any crawl space you aren't sure you can get out of, beware low oxygen, beware strange odours, set your limits, etc. And most of all, BLAME NOONE ELSE if something goes wrong.
@thedolphin5428
3 жыл бұрын
@BobsYourUncle Yep, but just because you can contort your body INTO some passageway doesn't mean you can contort it to get OUT OF that same place. The human body just doesn t work like that. Plus, as you get hotter and push more, you get bigger. Most cavers know this and play safe. And it just isn't necessary to take such risks. And for what? Some fun, some thrills? Some showing off? Blind ambition. No one is saying it in this forum, but that guy was a risk taking idiot. No excuses. He wasn't "unlucky". It wasn't a "dangerous cave". He was just an idiot who didn't play it safe.
@Its419games
3 жыл бұрын
Just listening to this story makes me horrifically uncomfortable.
@drew2fast489
3 жыл бұрын
Same 😫
@kimma508
3 жыл бұрын
Me too. Really freaked me out. What a horrible way to die. My heart goes out to John’s family and the brave rescue workers.
@katie3657
3 жыл бұрын
I know, this gave me bad anxiety
@aeonjoey3d
3 жыл бұрын
same, I shuddered when the cross-section images were shown, I'm not even claustrophobic, but god damn if I'll EVER put my body into such a small space.
@cruisepaige
3 жыл бұрын
Me too! My heart is breaking,
@Trollgernautt
Жыл бұрын
I knew this story before watching this video when it came out, and now youtube decided to sugest this video again after 2 years and I rewatched it. It still is one of the saddest stories out there, what a terrible way to go John, at such a young age, may you rest in peace.
@anthonyhayes1267
3 жыл бұрын
I cannot begin to describe how frustrating it is that they almost got him out
@blitzie66
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, i can’t comprehend how awful this feels for his loved ones and i hope they’re staying strong
@hongkongfueynz3071
3 жыл бұрын
Not as frustrated as he was I bet!
@RepresentWV
3 жыл бұрын
This video makes it seem like he was close and the only that happened was the bolt snapping. That was the last straw indeed, but from what I've seen the angle he was in made actual rescue impossible without completely destroying his legs, which would've probably killed him from shock with how much pain he was in already due to being upside down. Just a really sucky situation.
@arianebolt1575
3 жыл бұрын
@@RepresentWV His legs hadn't had a pulse in hours. I'd say give it a try, if they could. But they couldn't, because the rock gave out. That passage should have been closed off after the earlier accident.
@michalaswindail783
3 жыл бұрын
@@RepresentWV In fairness, it very well could have been close to rescue - paralyzed or legless, perhaps, maybe even with shock induced brain damage, but alive. The bolt coming loose really put the nail in the coffin though, as brutal as that metaphor is considering it was sealed up to be his tomb (which, can I just say, was remarkably respectful? Especially when the owner wanted to dynamite it.)
@ambercason5100
3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who would be way too terrified to go into this cave in the first place? How is this fun to people? I guess I’m too scared of dark places and creepy crawlies and the monsters from the descent.
@myadorablefosters
3 жыл бұрын
I know! It's not even like it would be cool to see! You have to crawl through it like a damn worm! Caving is not for me, but I get why people wanna go in ones that have rivers and caverns and stalagmites and places they have to rappel past. This crap was nothing but a super tight rock tube they whole entire way. Why?!?
@GladyatorGladys
3 жыл бұрын
Yess lol exactly!!
@lorabetht9206
3 жыл бұрын
My husband tried to get me to go with him to some caves on our Honeymoon (we went to a Dude Ranch in Arkansas). I had a severe panic attack almost immediately and had to back out. Not my idea of a fun time!!!
@beckycarter9211
3 жыл бұрын
It would never, ever dawn on me to slip inside a small crack or hole in a rock for fun!!
@AlottaBoulchit
3 жыл бұрын
God yes the thought of the shit down there alone would keep me out much less the tightness. Then there's not enough freaking air down there so WHY WOULD YOU GO THAT'S NOT FUN. I think people have just grown up romanticizing explorers and want to think they'll find some magical undiscovered crap in these holes. No THANK YOU. AND those that go into holes like this but UNDER WATER are even MORE psycho. Nothing is worth dying for especially a stupid "thrill." The only thrills I want to seek and discoveries I want to make are awesome sales at my local art store. UGH
@pixie7435
2 жыл бұрын
Such a shame they could'nt pull him out after death . Now he's trapped there for eternity. What a nightmare. Absolute props to the rescue workers! They are incredible!
@Holychickendinner
Жыл бұрын
His physical body is down there. His spirit is alive and well in Heaven. His family will see him again. And if you don't believe that, that's just sad.
@pixie7435
Жыл бұрын
@@Holychickendinner who said I didn't? And even if I don't believe that , and that we are just like every other living organism. That should be respected, and isn't sad at all . Because regardless, he lives on in his children and there's etc etc . I think the emergency workers were incredible in this sad tragic situation. And I find it a shame that his body was never recovered so he may finally be released. But it's his grave now and it was too dangerous for anyone to even attempt to get him out , even after death and it would've been a grim recovery
@Parasmunt
8 ай бұрын
Many of us go down into the Earth, the rest go into the atmosphere. What happens to the body is of little importance except to his family and it is now his tomb like any tomb, they can go and visit at least. Pity more those whose family members' bodies are never found.
@MrMrMrprofessor
Жыл бұрын
This story and the story of Floyd Collins are the reasons I have no desire to ever go caving. Also, apparently some cavers were extremely against the idea of Nutty Putty caves being closed and even made a petition to stop them from being closed to the public (never mind the fact that Jones's body was still in the cave and the decision was being made in his memory). In 2018, someone went as far as to vandalize the memorial plaque outside the cave. Classy.
@themessageman2760
Жыл бұрын
I dont get why some people understand that someone DIED there and that blocking the cave was probably for everyone's safety anyways
@epmcgee
Жыл бұрын
@@themessageman2760 you mean instead of doing the responsible thing and blocking off a dangerous unmapped tunnel that people had already been stuck in before? I don't get why people like you don't understand that he never had to die in the first place, and the cave system would still be open and safe.
@epmcgee
Жыл бұрын
When you're paying remembrance to the stupidity of two people, the caver and the property owner, it doesn't really matter. There were many options to keep these caves safe that should have been implemented well before this event happened, and could have easily been implemented thereafter.
@mickeybee
Жыл бұрын
@@epmcgee Woah! Relax there, buddy! MessageMan was just saying he can't understand how/why someone would vandalise a memorial to a young man who died in horrible circumstances. You can say, 'he never had to die in the first place', but...... that's of absolutely no use now, is it? You have to deal with the reality of the situation, not what you would have *liked* to have happened. The fact is, those caves are now a burial site, a grave. They could not get poor John's body out, and so they really had to close the caves. For a person/people, to then come and vandalise the gravesite of this man - his memorial - a place that means so much to all those who tried and failed to rescue John, *let alone* for his family, friends and tragically, children...... Well, what kind of person would do something like that, Hudson Hamman? P.s. I hope that out of all the many, many mistakes you have made, and will inevitably continue to make in your life, none of them are as tragic as John's was. But that said, learn some humility man - your attitude stinks.
@epmcgee
Жыл бұрын
@@mickeybee "Woah, relax!" Is pretty ironic before you go off on a rant. Even if I do make mistakes, at least I'm not so egotistical and dumb that I'm going to trap myself in a cave and die leaving grieving family members behind. 😌 The fact is those caves were a burial site before John died in there, since others had died before him. If it's about safety they could have easily made it safe after the numerous incidents that had happened over the years prior to John dying.
@fishtouch634
3 жыл бұрын
there's something oddly touching about the caves being plugged off as a resting place for him. a lot of the time you'd have people trying to sweep these incidents under the rug so it's bittersweet that even trapped down there, he has some sort of dignified grave.
@EaglesQuestions
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how to feel about that, honestly. On the one hand, what's the point of endangering more lives attempting to recover the body. On the other... he never escaped, not even in death. He's still down there. Still upside-down in the dark. That just feels horrible to me.
@royalblanket
3 жыл бұрын
@@EaglesQuestions The thought of a single pile of bones and clothes in a dark, silent cave is horrifying to me
@Stevexupen
3 жыл бұрын
"he has some sort of dignified grave." Not if said grave is something called "The Nutty Putty Cave"... just sayin'
@madhippy3
3 жыл бұрын
Been watching this channel long enough that when I heard the owner was going to dynamite the cave I thought “what is he trying to hid”
@wikipediaintellectual7088
3 жыл бұрын
Not too many have tombs that big these days
@squirleyspitmonkey3926
3 жыл бұрын
"beginner friendly" Uh no. Beginner friendly is like, fucking mammoth cave. You walk in, stick to the path, look up at how big it is, listen to the tour guide, look at the big icky spiders, get scared by a bat, turn around, walk out, buy an overpriced geode and t-shirt and call it a day. That's beginner.
@videogammaandmegadude4724
3 жыл бұрын
For spelunking
@angelahardy1298
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! 🙄
@melatoninqueen6914
3 жыл бұрын
That’s my type of cave
@eddyhoopin
3 жыл бұрын
not even I would go in these
@fart63
4 ай бұрын
Get scared by a bat? And leave? Mammoth cave is a beautiful geographic location, I could never dumb it down to that.
@victorchaos3558
Жыл бұрын
I still have no idea why people feel the need to crawl through tiny caves
@susancarden749
Жыл бұрын
It’s just too way dangerous.
@Leonismychild
Жыл бұрын
The only Caves i’m ever going in are Caves that are absolutely massive. Tiny, crawl sized caves are literally the most terrifying places i could ever imagine. I’m a Person who loves Caves, but i’d never go in one that wasn’t Caveman home sized all the way through. These people are insane who go into these small caves. I just could not imagine.
@Ro-the-redhead
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, this was my elementary principal's son. It was such a tragic event, and he was so heartbroken. Our teachers had us make cards and paper flowers to send to him when he came back to work, I still remember what I wrote in my card. He was never the same after that day, but I hope he's doing well (as well as you can be after losing your son so tragically.) This story still gives me cold sweats, and hearing the full details now as an adult makes it all the more tragic. RIP Jones
@GreasyBehemoth
3 жыл бұрын
It’s sad to think about how this man must’ve felt when he got thousands of cards from students about his son. Probably broke down crying in his office. Life isn’t fair sometimes.
@Ro-the-redhead
3 жыл бұрын
@@GreasyBehemoth God you're so right, and to keep working with kids and family must've made it so much more difficult after losing a child...it's a tragedy from all angles
@mrsx7944
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ro-the-redhead aaawwww that's so sad. I didn't know his dad was a principal. Did he ever speak about it?
@Ro-the-redhead
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrsx7944 Not in my memory, but I was also so young I didn't grasp the seriousness of it all - there's a lot I probably missed. It was talked about only in whispers among students. I would not expect him to speak on it, I think he's retired now. I hope he's doing well!
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