What I just heard boils down to: we won't make it stronger, we will limit torque and capability. IMHO, not a good answer.
@xziang
3 ай бұрын
What i thought too fix will be a software update because driveline can't take it.
@Bob3519
3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@petebusch9069
2 ай бұрын
They didn't fix anything and took away the capability of an advertised and sold feature.
@allenserfass5312
3 ай бұрын
Toyota basically said they built a weak 4wd system.
@alanmay7929
3 ай бұрын
no
@Land_Raver
3 ай бұрын
Yes
@tylough
3 ай бұрын
He said it purposely has a planned failure torque limit. The scenario TFL encountered was outside what Toyota encountered during development. Toyota responded with updated software. I'd say that's a better response than GM had when the air bags went off on TFLs Colorado ZR2.
@jeffforbes70
2 ай бұрын
works for subaru
@allenserfass5312
2 ай бұрын
@@jeffforbes70 How are you comparing a Subaru to a pickup truck? Sadly from the looks of it, Subaru may have a stronger 4wd system.
@Wellh0wrya
3 ай бұрын
Toyota ironically increased the cost of the truck while diminishing quality of the product
@Kjhgr01
3 ай бұрын
They have to pad themselves for all the repairs they will have to pay under warranty.
@thomasassim-ita1787
3 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree. It's a shame that car manufacturer's put consumers through this. Why are we paying for poor quality vehicles?
@drn13355
3 ай бұрын
Yes no Toyota in history ever broke even once. My old 2014 Taco had 3 warranty repairs before 36k miles.
@Wellh0wrya
3 ай бұрын
@@drn13355 If Toyotas mindset was building a quality truck, they would have made the differential strong enough for any setting and anticipate user error when selecting application…. they take the longest to redesign with the expectations they test and redesign a superior quality product
@HiPlains1
3 ай бұрын
What I got out of this is the design is similar but the differential can't handle the increased torque of this motor. So they will use "software" as a governor of such to reduce energy to the wheels as its already too late to beef up the the design of the front diff. And this being a non hybrid with less torque. Really looking like the design is under built. The engineer admitted they will have to limit that torque with software. In a public relations statement he tries not to admit as much but when one dissects through all the word salad of this guy its points to the underpinnings being under built all day long and twice on Sundays. And what about all the reports of the rear diff overheating? Does this not have a proper trans intercooler?
@MrApplesaucestuff
3 ай бұрын
you shouldn't be complaining. Now toyota offers a truck attached to their 11 inch computer screen. Everyone asked for it.
@Mark_Thompson
3 ай бұрын
You mean 14 inch
@fit4ya1975
3 ай бұрын
I actually miss my CD player.
@Revy8
3 ай бұрын
Let's not shift blame. It's not the interior designers fault. It the engineers n accountants that designed the engine n tranny
@MrApplesaucestuff
3 ай бұрын
@@Revy8 following logic chains is not not that hard. Company allocates certain amount of money for new model development. When more money is spent on 14 inch screens and gimmicks inside your cabin, less money goes to things you don’t see or care about until they break , like transmission.
@wayned3137
2 ай бұрын
14
@levicharles996
3 ай бұрын
So Toyota needs to hire KZitemrs to test thier trucks instead of engineers for durability testing haha
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
Funny thing: I don't see any of their test models breaking. Just the production trucks.
@brucey5585
3 ай бұрын
@doom4067 it is called real world test. Your engineer isn't going to drive like an everyday american.
@cheesecakemilkshake8043
3 ай бұрын
It's become where the engineers are pressured to pass it with low quality components and try NOT to break it to gain passes and move production along ...then the real worlder breaks it Years ago you'd say this was the opposite....when they're name was worth they're rip off resale prices.... This is the modern day philosophy of most brands now....even ones who's names people swore by ..
@C-M-E
3 ай бұрын
@@cheesecakemilkshake8043 Unfortunately engineers are not in control of whether anything gets the stamp of approval, it's accounting. Engineers by de facto operating DNA want to Overdesign a product to be as tough and venerable as modern materials will allow. What happens in modern times is the bean counters say "We need to hit this price quotient for 900,000 parts, and your design is too expensive. Bring it back when you can produce it for .15 cents less." Sometimes it's a complete redesign, sometimes it's a material exchange from a good, strong alloy to cast garbage.
@angelgjr1999
3 ай бұрын
They’re assembled in Mexico. Not sure how the engineers test them
@missouritruckinbear9865
3 ай бұрын
I have the first year of the redesign Nissan Frontier, 2022. No issues whatsoever. I’ve taken it off road many times in similar conditions. Nothing has broken or went wrong in 19,000 miles! I’m very happy I didn’t go with any of the other competitors. All I see this video by TFL as…Damage control
@drivewayhero
3 ай бұрын
Nissan marketing team in the comments 😂
@briancoleman971
3 ай бұрын
Agree but that was a more minor redesign compared to this. Still no excuses. My 2003 Ram was the 1st year of the Hemi and it is going strong with 230k miles and still no serious problems
@LawFarin
3 ай бұрын
While watching this video I actually got a frontier commercial. It said “Frontier wins” too dam funny
@missouritruckinbear9865
3 ай бұрын
@@drivewayhero Lol, just a Frontier owner 👍🏻
@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806
2 ай бұрын
That year does not have MDS either...500K to a million miles is very feasible.
@tommyg857
3 ай бұрын
Truck King just released a video, two hours before this one dropped. The clutch let go during an aggressive, on-road downshift. Toyota said the only explanation was that the guy messed up and shifted from 5th to 1st, instead of 3rd. TRD OFF-ROAD model. Doesn’t give a lot of off-road confidence.
@jyharris
3 ай бұрын
Saw that. The truck didn't even red line. Why wasn't 1st locked out anyway at the speed. TuRD!
@glbennett66
3 ай бұрын
From what I saw, the clutch was depressed and when trying to put it in gear it was grinding. And the clutch never came off the floor, so that tells me it never disengaged.
@briancoleman971
3 ай бұрын
Just watched that
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
It seems to me that the driver would notice right away if he went to first instead of third. Even if he had, one shift like that should kill a transmission. Forced limp mode, maybe, but not kill it.
@Yunggrippacuz
3 ай бұрын
Yup, i watched that and watched the rpms. HE DID NOT GO FROM 5 TO 1. More lies from these mother fuckers. Toyota went from my favorite brand to most hated.
@Jeff-sh4kx
3 ай бұрын
So build a 4WD truck that will break if you actually take it Offroad. But it’s ok, because most customers won’t take it offroad.
@vhateverlie
3 ай бұрын
The only offroading we expect is when the customer hits the curb in the Starbucks drive through 😒
@BigAltimaEnergy719
3 ай бұрын
Having something that weak and underbuilt is unacceptable, it didn't used to be this way...
@MisterMikeTexas
2 ай бұрын
@vhateverlie Watch it! It might break!
@kylenice2470
3 ай бұрын
This response is honestly sad and surprising. He gives us the run around on how unique the situation is and how unlikely it ever happens to anyone else and THEN has the AUDACITY to make the fix about de-tuning the software instead of increasing the strength of the components. Shocking stuff from a company that once claimed to make things 'overbuilt.' This is the exact opposite of 'overbuilt.' I'm not mad it broke im mad at this response.
@lloydswartz7354
3 ай бұрын
Total bull shit. Should be designed to handle all possible torque! Freaking designed to be babied by software? That means it's hugely under engineered. I get it, add 35" tires cvs snap. In this case it can't handle small, stock tires and light off roading with out software saving it? And light duty highway traction control sent too much torque to a wheel by slamming breaks ? This is bad...
@LawFarin
3 ай бұрын
Redesigning and changing specs of parts cost a ton of money. A simple software detune to fix the problem cost them very little. It all boils down to poor engineering. Which is why he is being pulled from is position and going to Japan for training.
@austinwade3194
3 ай бұрын
@@LawFarin the present cost for a software update will be nearly nothing, but the future cost of their reputation and the loss of potential buyers could be astronomical.
@chuckwalla2967
3 ай бұрын
The contributing vehicle settings he described as rare is actually very common in off-road situations. Bottom line is that components are not sturdy enough handle the load.
@Phong7080
3 ай бұрын
So he tried to sugar coat his long explanation with all the technical terminologies. In the end it was actually simple. The part was not designed to handle that kind of load. Here is my simple solution for Toyota - Design your part better.
@BlueDually4x4
3 ай бұрын
This is a great example of why I will never make it as a real journalist, I would have laughed in his face. Dude wasn't prepared in the slightest to explain the situation, sound like he was half panicked the entire time. The correct fix is stronger components, not adjusting the computer nanny more. Honestly TFL is doing a better job convincing me to stay away from new trucks, then to run out and buy a new truck.
@marv8481
3 ай бұрын
So the limitations of the drive train was exceeded by driving on an icy surface with very little traction? Yup, I guess I’ll stay away from the new Tacomas.
@Gadget0343
3 ай бұрын
While you are working on updates, I have a suggestion. I currently own all the different gen Tacomas. The 24 is a great truck. One tweak I suggest is adjusting the rate of acceleration while using dynamic cruise control. Say the cruise is set at 75 MPH and you are following another vehicle at a lower speed, say 60 MPH, and that vehicle finally moves over, the Tacoma wants to acceleration back to 75. It does not need to down shift two gears and mash the gas and take off like a race truck to get back to 75. When I am using cruise a smooth comfortable ride is the goal, so limit the rate off acceleration as if a person would do it, nice steady rate and smoothly get back to the set speed without all the downshifting and racing back to the set speed. I will say it is better than my 19 Tacoma in this condition. Really can't find anything else complain about. Toyota did a great job on the 4th Gen.
@armandocardona6975
3 ай бұрын
CONFIRMED Jeep wrangler more reliable than a Tacoma 😢😢😢 The facebook groups are gonna have a field day
@BigAltimaEnergy719
3 ай бұрын
Heck even the new Ford Ranger and Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon both have turbo 4s yet they didn't break eraly like the Tacoma lol
@jadoriffic
3 ай бұрын
So, as long as I don't need to use my truck for its intended purpose, I should be good.
@fiziksgeek3562
3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the openness, but they exceeded loads by 1.7% and had a failure? No safety factor? Or is that 1.7% over the safety factor?
@vhateverlie
3 ай бұрын
Either way it establishes that the system is not robust enough.
@LawFarin
3 ай бұрын
Very poor engineering
@clarkkent9080
3 ай бұрын
Is this the same engineer that said the new Taco mechanical's were designed to heavy duty truck standards? Trying to get up my driveway in the winter would put more stress on that truck than TFL did when the transfer case failed on that bunny slope It would be nice if TFL would get as upset with Toyota as any normal person would , had this happened to them.
@jeremyzhang2504
3 ай бұрын
It honestly sounds like a normal off road situation with traction control operating as designed caused the break. Locked rear diff, front end slipping on one side, mild RPM, sends power to slipping wheel. snap
@charlesbranch4120
2 ай бұрын
Many thanks and congratulations to Sheldon Brown for the explanation, and Roman and the TFL crew for this video. I'll be looking forward to review of TFL's latest purchase! Still happy with my Tacoma Access Cab SR5-DLT. Dad's Last Truck has had some accessories added since I assumed stewardship before my kids take ownership: LC Engineering exhaust; All-Pro Off Road skid plate, bed stiffeners and tailgate insert; AJT Design fob cases and more; Redline Tuning hood QuickLift. (2009 2TR-FE manual 4wd with the ADD) (My other truck is a 2007 Malibu, 139k miles.)
@smithjones1906
3 ай бұрын
Did I just hear him say that it's possible that under some circumstances for the truck's own traction control system ("multi-terrain select") to exceed safe torque specifications of certain other components of the vehicle? I don't care how _rare_ that condition is, it's a straightforward engineering deficiency! I work with a former Toyota intern/engineer. I have to solve all of his technical problems, too. Maybe it's a Toyota thing.
@HAHA.GoodMeme
3 ай бұрын
he also said they released a patch to fix it.
@triedproven9908
3 ай бұрын
Easier to say it's a software issue than a design or manufacturing issue. And easier to bandaid too.
@BassRacerx
3 ай бұрын
it sounds like there is latency in the system. the cpu tells the mechanical modules to change but it can't react fast enough under some situations. That is my interpretation of it. the truck sent nearly 100 percent torque to one wheel that had the brakes clamped and the weakest link went boom. the brakes should have opened but it could not do it in time.
@smithjones1906
3 ай бұрын
@@BassRacerx That was more or less my interpretation as well. Another way that it's relevant; Maybe THIS failure happened in a really rare scenario, but if the mechanical overhead of some of these driveline components is so thin that they can break in that scenario, what about when people start modifying these? It just doesn't seem robust. These parts should have relatively substantial mechanical overheads. That's why a software solution alone feels a little empty. The part seems underbuilt.
@BassRacerx
3 ай бұрын
@@smithjones1906 you are always going to have A weak point. if you build a truck people are going to break it. The brakes slammed shut so hard it snapped a driveline. Software should prevent sending that much torque to a corner that has the brakes squeezed that hard. They could build the driveline tougher but then something else would break. It would just be wack-a-mole.
@DUNEATV
3 ай бұрын
He keeps saying transmission because they’re having all kinds of transmission problems also!
@ConfirmedPatriot
3 ай бұрын
Thank you TFL and all other YT reviewers for holding car manufacturers to a higher standard ! God Bless🙏🤙🤘
@pgilb70
2 ай бұрын
Yup, piss weak drive line without sufficient redundancy.
@DirtE30
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Sheldon for the honest breakdown! Very very much appreciate it! TFL, awesome content!
@jasonperry7970
3 ай бұрын
I want TFL to drive a Sienna, yes, Toyota's own front wheel drive minivan, up the same trail section and see what happens. You might get stuck, but I'll bet it wouldn't break.
@remsterx
3 ай бұрын
Agreed or rav4 neither would
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
As long as it's an early enough model year. They could try it in a Corolla or Camry, too. I spun tires on a 2006 corolla once, and nothing broke. If they did that, they would just claim that conditions weren't exactly the same due to the variables in snowfall.
@cuz129
3 ай бұрын
Great content. I just got a 2023 Taco TRD Offroad, slightly used, to save some $ and to avoid bleeding edge issues. I appreciate how frank the Toyota engineer was. As an engineer, I understand how unknown unknowns always happen.
@kyolml
3 ай бұрын
How come Savage Gee talked about how you snapped the axle before you guys? That was last week?
@trailrunnah8886
3 ай бұрын
This is crazy. Seems like back in the day people were throwing 35s, 36s on the stick axles that came in the 80s Toyota 4x4 products, and ran those without issue. Now people are breaking things left and right with stock tires. Truck King just dropped a video where they broke a 6-speed manual Tacoma.
@JulietHotelFoxtrot
3 ай бұрын
By downshifting 4 gears at speed. If you need nanny state guard rails to stop you from doing destructive shit, get a fisher price toy.
@miket8909
2 ай бұрын
Funny ive had my 2016 colorado litterally jumping while hunting for traction on steep inclines. Not to mention 33" tires and 369tq from the diesel, never once snapped anything
@brandonrides8953
3 ай бұрын
Unacceptable.
@coyote571992
3 ай бұрын
"We don't recommend are customers drive like that" aka we need a front locker but charging you more and not giving you it :)
@kevbecker672
3 ай бұрын
You see the video of the Truck King when his clutch went out ?
@giecy1977
3 ай бұрын
So he is trying to say that Tacoma can break while spinning wheels in 4low??? This was not like an extreme off road situation … oh, I don’t drive it hard on the snow… Toyota quality touched the bottom…
@thesuwisal
3 ай бұрын
Regarding the malfunctioning drivetrain, it seems that Toyota is utilizing software to manage subpar hardware like drivetrain components, thus cutting costs.
@KamalaTheClown
3 ай бұрын
None of us will get this level of customer service from Toyota…,
@maxattacks25
3 ай бұрын
Man I’ve wheeled my 2017 so much harder than that and it’s been a champ, just as expected. I don’t expect to buy another Tacoma now, though.
@MrSkyentist
2 ай бұрын
For those confused by what he said, it boils down to how they manage traction through braking. Wheel slip indicated, overall vehicle speed extremely low, engage brakes a specific percentage on slipping wheels to allow torque to move to stationary wheels. What happened was every wheel was slipping, brakes engaged partially to direct torque to the front, then one wheel, which then slipped with the additional applied torque, causing the system to over react and lock the brake on that side of the axle. Aka, greater than 85% of the engine torque in 4 low was going to one wheel, which then had the brake lock on to prevent wheel spin causing an enormous shock load and breaking it. A software revision to prevent that exact scenario will not detract from their system, they just overlooked a fluke scenario where the truck can almost intentionally brake itself. I'm not a Toyota fanboy, do not own a Tacoma, and probably never will since they won't bring a diesel to the US, but you guys are being too harsh on them. Would it be better if they had a front locker vs brake torqueing? Yes. Would it have prevented this issue, also yes. Sadly, they're not going to shell out the extra cash to do this despite GM and Ford offering it on their top trim off road vehicles.
@DirtE30
3 ай бұрын
Well, this is exactly the explanation I gave my wife when we watched the video of the incident. 50% more torque at 75% less rpm breaks stuff… ask anyone who runs equipment or wheels on the regular. Wait until everyone is running 35” tires and airs down. Lol
@BaconCruiser
3 ай бұрын
Solution: build it better? Nah, nerf it. I’ll stick with my 200 Series LC thanks.
@Jay-me7gw
3 ай бұрын
The 200 series is essentially a Tundra, and even beefier in some ways, and has always been significantly stouter than any Tacoma. The turd gen Tacoma just was so weak with that torqueless 3.5L it couldnt break itself.
@edwardcarrillom
3 ай бұрын
Was about to purchase the brand new Tacoma, went to the dealer and found out the bed is actually composite not metal. And are not built or assembled in Japan. What a shame so I went and purchased a Tesla Model Y instead. It's basically a truck with more space in the back seat and can haul a trailer if I ever need to pull heavy items plus you save on gas and its way faster too. It checked all the boxes for me vs buying a Tacoma
@reesparker
3 ай бұрын
So Toyota built a drivetrain that can’t handle the power of their new motor. So their answer is to cut power in certain off-road situations. lol looks like I won’t be getting a new Toyota anytime soon!
@luigimassello4357
3 ай бұрын
The real picture told here is what happens when you build in countries with lower mechanical standards, use lower quality compromised parts/engineering standards,have safety standards compromised &then raise prices . What a fabulous business model guys . It really sucks being a loyal lover of TOYOTA these days. Also any fool knows when you turbo any engine your wear & tear is massively increased depending on boost level. Double turbo increase it double of potential long term issues regarding reliability. Bring back v6 non aspirated please.
@vettle1
3 ай бұрын
You mean *naturally aspirated.
@luigimassello4357
2 ай бұрын
@@vettle1 whatever you an English teacher? Point taken 😉
@ordaichtepoileas80
3 ай бұрын
What about a follow up on the Dodge Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins computer recall?
@benpinter1988
3 ай бұрын
If a 1.7% higher than rated load or force can break a part mechanically, then that part is undersized. What happened to safety margins?
@triedproven9908
3 ай бұрын
They forget what factor of safety means. I'd hate to see what the fatigue and wear duration is on a part that can't handle 1% over max torque.
@humorss
3 ай бұрын
Yes, it is stock, and it can't handle the default tire.
@jyharris
3 ай бұрын
You can't fix that with a software release, unless you take even more torque away, a lot more! Not very functional!
@trailrunnah8886
3 ай бұрын
Truck King just dropped a video where they broke a 6-speed Taco, they noted that the manual transmission Tacoma is rated at eight fewer foot pounds of torque than the automatic. They said the Toyota engineer told them that the transmission did not have The torque capacity for the whole number. So 8 lb is going to make that big of a difference? Tells me that the transmission is too weak to begin with with zero safety margin.
@BassRacerx
3 ай бұрын
@@humorss there was no traction tires were not a factor. it sent torque to a wheel that had the brakes clamped shut.
@robmd3851
3 ай бұрын
Toyota wouldn’t do any of this for anyone but a KZitem channel to save face. Regular customers would likely be denied warranty without any communication whatsoever.
@Dwealdric
3 ай бұрын
Look at Truck King, a smaller KZitemr being instantly blamed by Toyota for their Tacoma breaking.
@kevinwest1607
3 ай бұрын
He obviously money shifted that truck. Most transmission will explode when shifting from fifth to first and dumping the clutch lol
@cheesehead91182
3 ай бұрын
This
@nighthawktheflyingspur
3 ай бұрын
💯
@jonsaircond8520
3 ай бұрын
These guys have zero credibility to me in this case with Toyota
@joejr9653
3 ай бұрын
He keeps saying transmission because thats your next big problem
@LawFarin
3 ай бұрын
This was my thought too. Especially since they claim they had to de-tune the manual transmission several HP because it was exceeding its rating
@kevencouch3291
3 ай бұрын
It's already happened, there's another channel that's had problems
@John_Redcorn_
3 ай бұрын
A bit of a Freudian slip on his part
@diz_guy47
3 ай бұрын
@@kevencouch3291 truck king
@symple19
2 ай бұрын
damn I was thinking this too
@marcnemergut9490
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like the drivetrain is designed to the bare minimum.
@triedproven9908
3 ай бұрын
Spec'd the drivetrain to the old taco's with less weight and less power. Snap.
@RonRussell-sj1zf
3 ай бұрын
exceeded design by 1.7% is what I heard, that's pretty minimal.
@ryanb8736
3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, inflation has made them change to cheaper suppliers. This is the end result.
@RedWingsninetyone
3 ай бұрын
@@ryanb8736it's the same part that was in the 3rd Gen. It's not a "cheaper supplier."
@matthewgaines10
3 ай бұрын
They had insufficient margin in that design.
@cactusmanbwl1990
3 ай бұрын
Between this and the Tundra engines destroying themselves, it seems modern Toyota's reliablity is pretty suspect.
@TheAnnoyingBoss
3 ай бұрын
Corollas a lot worse than they used to be
@johnb4183
2 ай бұрын
@@TheAnnoyingBoss problems with Corollas as well ?
@donleamon8653
3 ай бұрын
Wow. A de-tune in 4lo is their answer. Not the same Toyota that built my 80 Series.
@trailrunnah8886
3 ай бұрын
I think the 80 series was peak Toyota 4x4. Everything else has been inferior. I guess that explains why the '80s values keep going up, I've been keeping my eyes open for a while and now it seems like you need 20k to for a decent unlocked version. My buddy in CA bought his rust-free triple locked 93 6 years ago for 6.5k, I'm so jealous.
@Jay-me7gw
3 ай бұрын
Almost every truck limits throttle input in 4Lo. I’ve tuned 3-4 trucks from a diesel Jeep to and F150 to a GX460 and now my LX570. All of them have different maps for 4Lo
@atodaso1668
3 ай бұрын
@@Jay-me7gw those are all newer vehicles and probably automatics. Toyotas of old you could red line clutch drop in 4 low and not have issues.
@Jay-me7gw
3 ай бұрын
@@atodaso1668 Maybe if it was a cable driven throttle but even manual trucks with electronic throttle can be torque limited. Also, the trucks you were talking about are already detuned. My 22RE 4Runner made like 7 ft-lbs of torque.
@Jay-me7gw
3 ай бұрын
@@trailrunnah8886 IDK. The 100 and 200 series are still extremely rugged trucks and extremely capable despite going to IFS. The diffs, tie rods and CV’s on a 200 series are really stout and you don’t hear to much about failures like on Tacoma/4Runner/GX. And not only that but they are a lot more versatile. You can hook up an 8000 lb trailer to a 200 and tow it well. The 80 series can’t do that.
@loudandclearmedia
2 ай бұрын
REALLY long-winded way to essentially say new Taco isn't as tough as old Taco. Heard ya.
@ryanvanlandschootd.c.671
3 ай бұрын
So sad how far Toyota has fallen.
@southinx
3 ай бұрын
No Tacoma or Tundra for me in the next 3-4 years. The quality has gone to pieces for this new generation.
@brandonrides8953
3 ай бұрын
Not something you need to worry about....but TFL had it happen doing much lighter off-roading than Toyota markets their Tacoma for.
@beexiong2995
3 ай бұрын
You didn't pay attention. It was a traction problem because of the ice that contributed to this case in the programming of the mts system that led to the failure. Too much brake and torque at that specific programming that broke it.
@96kylar
3 ай бұрын
@@beexiong2995 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
@brandonrides8953
3 ай бұрын
@@beexiong2995 cope and shill harder
@technom3598
3 ай бұрын
That's fine... Stay ignorant@@96kylar
@gasauto1675
3 ай бұрын
@@beexiong2995I want to translate: to less quality in important parts, Toyota is only for Roads, not Offroads😅 my old GM Tahoe is not perfect, but it never failed offroad or towing 😅
@Terrapinstation20
3 ай бұрын
Go check out the clutch dropping from Truck King. Basically, Toyota is saying in both cases, it’s not really their fault.
@brucey5585
3 ай бұрын
I saw it. It was TK dropping the gear to 1st. You can tell from 90kmh it revved to almost readline. They tried to shift into 1st gear. But the transmission must be crap build for it to just blow from that. I have done that to 07 civic si downshifting and bouncing redline. It still work today.
@BigAltimaEnergy719
3 ай бұрын
I heard they detuned the engine with the manual because they "couldn't control your right foot", turns out the transmission is weak and underbuilt they didn't have to do that in the previous gen smh
@davidwethington9320
3 ай бұрын
@@brucey5585 they tried to down shift from 5th to 3rd. Toyota said they shifted into first. 5th to 1st? Without redlining? Uh huh.
@IDontKnow-bb6mt
3 ай бұрын
You did not watch it or you would not say that. They dropped from 5 to 3 plain to see on video @@brucey5585
@BrianSmith-si4zd
3 ай бұрын
That was there fault seen it a dozen times on 6 speed toyotas
@TheCoffeeField
3 ай бұрын
Love this, design it for minimum use, build it in Mexico, cut cost and increase price. If this is not a recipe for success I don’t know what is.
@psynurse
3 ай бұрын
They have been manufacturing in Mexico for nearly 20 yrs
@TheCoffeeField
3 ай бұрын
@@psynurse then it shouldn’t be shit with plastic creaky interior then
@butchgreene
3 ай бұрын
I worked for Continental Teves when they originally tried moving automotive brake foundation production to Mexico. It was a disaster. Quality Control, pride of craftsmanship, attention to detail of workers on the line, reporting issues immediately before they get down the line, personally removing damaged/subpar piece parts from your supply rather than installing them and saying nothing…on and on. Precision manufacturing & meeting even basic ISO 9000 production quality wasn’t possible b/c no one had ever been taught that. Shut the whole place down after less than 2 yrs.
@joseeduardo4327
3 ай бұрын
@@psynurseI think the point he’s trying to make is that they keep doing things to decrease the cost of the truck (lesser quality parts and cheaper labor) but ask more than anyone for a midsize truck. It is less capable for payload, power, towing vs other manufacturers and still costs more. Upsetting (3rd gen owner here)
@DontCryAboutIt
3 ай бұрын
You can't teach a whole population of workers a concept so foreign to them.
@A-Brax
3 ай бұрын
So the Tacoma exceeded its limit by 1.7% and the Colorado went up it just fine?!?!?!
@latindoggy8059
2 ай бұрын
What the hell is the drive system gonna do when you tow something😂
@wzpu3283
Ай бұрын
@@latindoggy8059very little.
@donnovicki9771
3 ай бұрын
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. Works every time.
@ryanb8736
3 ай бұрын
Just claim user error. Thats what they did.
@pathunter7003
3 ай бұрын
@@ryanb8736 apparently a couple inches of snow, a little ice, not much of a stress on the 4x4 system when in these conditions is Toyota’s krptonite
@shiftymcgee9359
3 ай бұрын
Why not? If it’s good enough for government.
@Justmejbful
3 ай бұрын
@pathunter7003 little friction from the tires but lots of torque from engine together with braking from traction control. It was a low friction event but not a low stress event
@smokinbutts2
3 ай бұрын
My 97 4 runner doesn’t have these problems
@DrewPeabawls
3 ай бұрын
I must express my disapproval of the recent explanation given for the component failure in the off-road vehicle, citing the conditions as being too tough. In my opinion, these conditions were normal and standard for off-road use, and the vehicle should not have broken under such circumstances. It's concerning that a vehicle designed for rugged terrain cannot withstand typical off-road challenges. This raises serious questions about the reliability and durability of the vehicle's design and construction.
@Darclay24
3 ай бұрын
Right. His rare instance described was a very typical situation.
@chris-qo1nt
3 ай бұрын
Toyota under built the front differential and is blaming TFL…
@jasonperry7970
3 ай бұрын
This failure is going to keep used prices up for a long time and sell a lot of Frontier's, ZR2s, and Jeeps.
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
They seem to be advertising that the TRD off road works fine as long as you don't take it off road.
@hellodrjeckyl
3 ай бұрын
But they exceeded it by 1.7%! 😂😂
@spuzzum100
2 ай бұрын
So.......be really careful driving this "truck". Don't put larger wheels on. Dont put more than 100lbs in the bed. Only have 1 passenger. Use the brakes and accelerator gently. Otherwise the 1.7% threshold will be crossed resulting in failure of drivetrain components and a visit to the Toyota garage where you hope you still have warranty on it.
@David-mt7tj
2 ай бұрын
The best part is... Tacoma fanboys were reveling in the new gen being able to take larger tires w/o a bodychop.
@kevbecker672
3 ай бұрын
He keeps accidentally saying transmission because.....You know....That and the rear end are having problems...
@ScoobyFermentation
3 ай бұрын
SavageGeese spilled the beans already in their Tacoma video.
@WoolyNips
3 ай бұрын
I like how he said it too 😂
@icosthop9998
3 ай бұрын
I got to check it out
@cooverbennett4383
2 ай бұрын
Funny sheldon didn't tell roman they needed to idiot proof it like he told Jack Singapore
@nlken7175
3 ай бұрын
Still sounds like a weak point in the front differential. Glad I don't own one because driving and towing in snowy conditions I feel it would break.
@volvo09
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that was a very little traction scenario and it broke.
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
They weren't even towing and it broke as soon as they hit some snow on a light incline.
@jimmy-buffett
3 ай бұрын
Remember guys, it also broke in 4 low where the power is amplified by gearing. And with an offroad mode turned on. In 2H/4H on the road the powertrain isn't going to be nearly as stressed.
@vettle1
3 ай бұрын
@@jimmy-buffett excuses excuses...
@secondcreekworkshop3908
3 ай бұрын
Toyota has basically lost the sole reason to buy a Toyota, reliability and simplicity.
@es.design
3 ай бұрын
So the front diff components are too weak on the new Tacoma. Thanks!
@Thepulsewidth
3 ай бұрын
The “Truck King” channel Canada also broke their 2024 Tacoma by SIMPLY DOWNSHIFTING TO A LOWER GEAR!! All these failures in addition to the Tundra ENGINE RECALL makes me wonder what’s going on with Toyota !
@Cloud30000
3 ай бұрын
‘We don’t endorse OR SUPPORT putting larger tires on a Tacoma” - Toyota
@bo_knows
3 ай бұрын
Was kind of weird how he brought that up unprompted. Very telling unfortunately.
@beexiong2995
3 ай бұрын
No manufacturer does unless it's a specific special model like a pro or trailhunter. Thats how they make epa numbers 😂. They won't purposely say we built this truck with 13 mpg in mind
@triedproven9908
3 ай бұрын
That big tire's gonna multiply resistance at the tire all of a sudden it's a tire brake. Snap!
@red.riot.2280
3 ай бұрын
Do they know who buys their product?? I think their sales are gonna drop hardcore. Starting with the tundra. Next will be the Tacoma..
@trailrunnah8886
3 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, Jeep designed the JL/JT with the expectation that the owner would put 35s -37s on it.
@davidjernigan8161
3 ай бұрын
Toyota cost cutting to maximize profit while relying all the normies to still believe in toyota reliability.
@bobman717
3 ай бұрын
North American made Toyotas have never been reliable. Same problem Honda has with their NA made vehicles.
@bjsimon802
3 ай бұрын
My toyota are all over 13 years, this is a new model. And cars are man made , they break down. Even the best and most reliable cars. Nothing is going to be the same while the govt hijacks the cars companies over emissions. Wake up. YOu next cars is electric if these people are not stopped. Part and supplies are hijacked with higher cost. It is attack against the car industry for full electric
@hochhaul
3 ай бұрын
Record profits last year. First the 3rd gen Tundra has engine failures left and right, which Toyota responds by doing the cheapest thing possible by having the dealer fill the bay with 1000 pieces of your expensive new Tundra so Jim the service tech can build you an engine with a short block and old engine parts. Now Toyota is cost-cutting the drivetrain of the 4th gen Tacoma and insisting that it's the fault of the driver when the driveline fails doing something that any Tacoma sold up until now would have zero issues doing. They cost-cut the driveline to the point where exceeding their software limits by 1.7% means broken parts.
@John_Redcorn_
3 ай бұрын
@@bobman717arent all the parts still designed in japan tho? (probably not the new trucks but everything else i imagine is). I had an Accord that was built here but the driveline i believe still said japan on it. I could be wrong. Then again that doesnt mean anything either: I had a Mazda cx-5 made 100% in japan (hiroshima) and i had the low rpm/idle fuel pump go bad with less than 20k miles. Dealership was baffled, said they had NEVER saw one go bad. A fluke or poor quality parts manufacturing? Who knows 🤷♂️
@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806
2 ай бұрын
Moral of the story- buy an IZUZU D MAX.
@hourbee5535
3 ай бұрын
Don’t let Toyota’s marketing team swindle you into buying one of these piles
@technom3598
3 ай бұрын
So stupid
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
TFL sold theirs. That say a LOT.
@grizzly311tr
3 ай бұрын
@@doom4067 they sell everything. they're journalists not collectors. what did you think it said "a LOT" about?
@Fernando-t8g
3 ай бұрын
They sold it too soon.@@grizzly311tr
@camcom76
2 ай бұрын
I love mine. Have you any of of you haters actually driven one? Or do you just go by what the internets say? I had a 2016 trd OR. My new 2024 trd OR makes me enjoy driving again. Flame away but I am just sharing my experience. My 2016 was so weak it would not consistently stay at 70 on the interstate. Totally reliable though. Just super weak. Like that when I bought it new.
@ConfirmedPatriot
3 ай бұрын
How about Truck King's manual clutch issue they just had. They blamed Truck King, but I think they just don't want more bad press for the highly priced Tacoma.
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
And Truck King waited for toyota's permission to talk about it. I just watched that video, and it seems like they would have noticed right away if the dad had shifted from fifth to first, instead of third.
@Boobtube.
3 ай бұрын
I'm not sticking up for toyota, but it is very possible Truck King Pop hit 1st gear during the downshift. Only way to know for sure is to have someone more familiar with the shifter try several 5th to 3rd downshifts and see if it grenades or not. If it does not,well than, Pops blew up the clutch, period.
@SiuLeung
3 ай бұрын
Do you think they paid him off to take the blame?
@chillislives
3 ай бұрын
Just wait until the Tuners get a hold of it. Pop bang boom!
@reeree405
3 ай бұрын
Great point
@nismomike3182
3 ай бұрын
Toyota would have never done this podcast if the Tacoma sales weren't way down. This is damage control, not transparency. Multiple reviewers have broke them during moderate stress scenarios. Not to mention the trans overheating issues.
@planoman0935
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like sales are doing ok to me. We will see 1st half numbers soon.
@nismomike3182
3 ай бұрын
@planoman0935 Tacoma started delivering in Q4 2023 aside from iForce Max. Q1 2024 sales were down almost 60%. Some of that is also due to not delivering any iForce Max models. But just like the Tundra, only 10-15% of Tacoma buyers will opt for the iForce Max. So we will see what Q2 looks like, but all signs point to down 30-35%.
@Jay-me7gw
3 ай бұрын
@@nismomike3182 That’s because, just like the Tundra, the iForce max will be lame. Minimal mpg improvements and no improvement for freeway towing.
@planoman0935
3 ай бұрын
@@nismomike3182 very few 4th gen Tacomas delivered in 2023 plus those sales would have been booked for 2023. It was expected to be down 60% because it was a new gen and they had to retool plants etc. The Ranger was down over 80% of a much lower number for the same reason. The fact that you are not seeing huge deals for July 4 with 0% interest etc tell me they are on track at least here where I live. Unlike lil Kenny, I don’t see tons of Tacoma’s on the lots in DFW. The off roads and sports get sold fairly quickly here. Also Tacoma sold short of 300k in 2023 and Toyota sold almost 12 million vehicles. That’s 2.5% of their volume. I think the sales of the Tacoma’s with iforce max will surprise to the upside.
@SLHJR0390
2 ай бұрын
@@planoman0935 Tacoma sales are downh 60 % dude. Are you serious.
@Whiskeybende
3 ай бұрын
On another KZitem channel the Tacoma TRD off-road with 6 speed manual transmission didn't make it through the review either. The clutch gave out on straight pavement. No hills, no load it just gave out. At this point I wouldn't trust Toyota to make toilet paper.
@oscarbolton5193
3 ай бұрын
Notice he said transmission many times by accident. It is common knowledge the new Tacos are having manual transmission issues as well. I'd avoid buying any new design until all the bugs are worked out.
@kellynguyen5119
3 ай бұрын
Toyota vehicles are now over priced unreliable junk. What a shame.
@TheCree2010
3 ай бұрын
The SPEED that he talks reminds me of me when I panicked answer 😂 Buddy is just word vomiting trying to remember Toyota PR talking points
@dr.lefort1596
3 ай бұрын
We called this pressured speech in psychiatry
@gregmgm06
3 ай бұрын
So true!!
@garysarratt1
3 ай бұрын
Exceeded the limit by 1.7%.
@RaysVideoChannel1
3 ай бұрын
Crazy that they cut it that close. These kinds of breakages are damaging to their reputation.
@planoman0935
3 ай бұрын
Exceeded the failure limit by 1.7% not the safety margin limit. Would love to know the rpm and torque at moment of failure.
@SpaceTech54
2 ай бұрын
That is the Funniest Statement of the entire Video.. Something would snap at 20% or 30% but 1 - NOPE
@MickeyR6
3 ай бұрын
The first Red Flag for me is that they De tuned the engines for the Manual Transmission variations. They themselves said it. They can't control your right foot when releasing that clutch. "snapping drive train components. Transmissions overheating also a problem. The list will go on with time.
@doc72
3 ай бұрын
I have been a loyal Toyota customer for decades. These recent recalls, quality control issues, lame explanations and increase in prices will make me look at other car brands.
@TheModerateMillenial
3 ай бұрын
Not the video freezing as he is about to say the problem. 😂😂😂 Even the WiFi was like: yea I will not participate in this lie.
@furmanmackey5479
3 ай бұрын
Mine absolutely refused to participate!!
@jwltiger3357
3 ай бұрын
Here’s the main issue with his answer…you could run a gladiator rubicon through this same thing in 4lo, at peak torque etc, and it would not break because it’s built up beefier. The issue shouldn’t be software to make the car less capable, it should be more robust mechanical components to withstand the situation, but they won’t do this because of cost. Not saying jeeps computers are reliable, but certainly it wouldn’t break under the exact same situations, nor would many other if any other competitors
@triedproven9908
3 ай бұрын
Correct.
@beexiong2995
3 ай бұрын
No such thing as unbreakable.
@Jay-me7gw
3 ай бұрын
@@beexiong2995did he say that? He said in that situation.
@fleshharrowerx9894
3 ай бұрын
And the Gladiator is a solid front axle like all Jeep Wranglers, you trade off strength offroad for poorer ride quality on the street with a Jeep.
@ColeSpolaric
3 ай бұрын
A jeep isn't using software when you put in 4 low. It's purely mechanical.
@1FiftyOverland
3 ай бұрын
My first question is why Roman would be "worried" to have to tell Toyota the Tacoma broke? Bought and paid for by Toyota?
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
They want to keep getting invited to Toyota events. Why do you think they waited until Toyota allowed them to talk about the truck that they bought (and then sold after six months)?
@craigquann
3 ай бұрын
They're automotive journalists... they have to walk a fine line with criticism or it will hurt them. Especially when the audience wants these brands.
@1FiftyOverland
3 ай бұрын
@craigquann I don't buy it, real journalists get the story out asap.
@craigquann
3 ай бұрын
@@1FiftyOverland yea, and then toyota stops sponsoring. Like Subaru did. So they could go public and burn that bridge. Or they can try this approach for diplomacy and give Toyota some more R&D (you think that would have been done already)
@jimmy-buffett
3 ай бұрын
@@1FiftyOverland real journalists don't burn their sources by sharing off-the-record conversations, or they lose access to those sources.
@blobster1111
3 ай бұрын
Dont buy if you're unhappy literally the only way these giants will learn
@jsbcody
3 ай бұрын
Hmm, no wonder I got what I originally paid for it on my trade in for 2023 Tacoma. Now glad I got a 5th Gen 4Runner. Also, the several times the Toyota guy misspoke transmission, probably means there are also transmission issues too.
@saltymethods2637
2 ай бұрын
Toyota builds junk now.
@MissouriAdventures
3 ай бұрын
As a hard core Land Cruiser guy, I’ve never felt more validated. With the way the rest of the Toyota truck line in the US apparently has gone to crap, this video speaks to life that Toyota has taken the cheap road. Never would a 80,100,200 series ever be concerned with this happening. This was a MINOR off road use case when your Tacoma broke. No thanks. I’ll stick to a true Land Cruiser. They’re built to a much higher standard than a Tacoma or even a 250 series Land Cruiser.
@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806
2 ай бұрын
The LC300 is failing at an alarming rate enginewise I had a 2019 LC as a rental and it was VERY UNDERPOWERED...constantly struggled to move.
@shiftmotorsports9803
3 ай бұрын
Freudian slip saying "transmission" instead of "differential". Apparently there have been more transmission issues than differential issues. Buyer beware
@nm-qt2hb
3 ай бұрын
Save that for the next upcoming video?
@Treetopflyer777
3 ай бұрын
I saw that too. You could tell he knew he did it too
@briancoleman971
3 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. He did it at least twice. Probably because transmission issues popping up are on his mind.
@budt525
3 ай бұрын
NEVER buy the first year or 2 of a redesign. These Tacomas and Tundras are completely unreliable( just look at the recalls). Look at all the powertrain problems.
@troyh9223
3 ай бұрын
Long story short. IT'S JUNK!
@psynurse
3 ай бұрын
Every new Gen has issues. Toyota has always corrected. All brands go through this
@TermlessHGW
3 ай бұрын
@@psynurse Yes but these issues vary in severity. And what the new Tundra and Taco have are big, mechanical problems.
@drivewayhero
3 ай бұрын
@@TermlessHGWthen dont buy one right now. After they fix it ppl will be like good job toyota
@TermlessHGW
3 ай бұрын
@@drivewayhero I won't and most likely never will. Was in the market for a midsize back in 2019 and test drove 'em all. Taco drives and feels like you're in a piece of farming equipment. Plus yet another video of a broken Taco dropped by Truck King. What are the chances...... one thing that Toyota had going for them is reliability............
@hikenmikes8262
3 ай бұрын
@@TermlessHGWtaco sounds so bud light
@davew657
3 ай бұрын
Don't support or suggest using larger tires? Hold on, hold on. I could swear I saw engineer Sheldon from Toyota and others from Toyota and even TFL pointing out about how they made the wheel-wells larger to accommodate larger tires.
@FloEvans
3 ай бұрын
Doesn’t the trail hunter come stock with larger tires?
@Mr19853
3 ай бұрын
They told you can't talk about?! You paid full price for the truck, you do whatever you want!
@spyder000069
3 ай бұрын
There were strings pulled in order for them to get one so early. They still want a partnership with toyota in the future. Just cause there is a small fire in the kitchen you don't yell fire in the dining room. No need to cause mass panic when it might be easily solved or a one off situation.
@TheJoncic
3 ай бұрын
KZitemrs have to schill for OEMs so they get invites to media events
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
The my want to keep getting invited to Toyota events. That's why small channels will tell you exactly how they feel; they're not getting invited, anyway.
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
@spyder000069 "easily solved" doesn't require five months.
@spyder000069
3 ай бұрын
@@doom4067 Things move slow in a big company. According to the video tfl may have been the only one. Hard to solve problems unless there is enough data and then you need a mitigation plan which takes more time. In this case they will use software to avoid this situation which may reduce the potential for issues but does point out the design was flawed as the mechanics should have taken that. Every 4x4 ive owned would have even my econo geo trackers. Its common knowledge to not buy the first year or two of a new design and the people who do beta test and pave the way for the rest of us.
@ExpeditionaryRanger
3 ай бұрын
Love this new world we live in where the ability of your truck to maintain its mechanical integrity is contingent upon the software engineers ability to code correctly and anticipate every possible input/output scenario.
@carlmcdonald5864
3 ай бұрын
What could go wrong moving everything to Mexico where you only pay the people less than $3 an hour
@manoloprpr
3 ай бұрын
Nothing to do with the people who builds it but the quality of parts and materials.
@carlmcdonald5864
3 ай бұрын
@@manoloprpr that is incorrect if you're only getting paid $3 an hour you have no motivation to work and do your job properly three dollars an hour in Mexico is still a garbage wage that is less than minimum wage here in the US that is not enough to feed your family so why would you care if the product that you make is quality the people of Mexico deserve a minimum of 15 an hour
@LAAM619
3 ай бұрын
Not everything is made in mexico, the trucks are just assembled there. Many parts are made in long beach/japan. Its a design/material issue.
@doom4067
3 ай бұрын
They only assemble the parts in Mexico. They don't design them.
@wertyuhgt44watcher39
3 ай бұрын
Jesus feel like this guy is selling me steaks out of the back of his Tacoma
@Cloud30000
3 ай бұрын
Any company that knows what happened and tells you off the record, without letting you tell it on the record, has something to hide and should be avoided AT ALL COSTS!
@psynurse
3 ай бұрын
Not if the engineer has not been given press permission to Make public
@stevekniess3665
3 ай бұрын
Have to get to the root cause before speculation
@abw121
3 ай бұрын
What bothers me is the Channel lost its journalists standing by holding off on the story? Compounded by the immediate sale of the Tacoma instead of wringing it out?
@HAHA.GoodMeme
3 ай бұрын
They didnt want to talk about it publicly till they had a fix ready for customers. Standard procedure in any large company.
@riphawk67
3 ай бұрын
So these are now built to the lowest possible standards, got it.
@BrianReynolds84
3 ай бұрын
That would suck if the shaft inside the diff is the fuse instead of the CVs. Say goodbye to trail-side CV changes. Also, imagine spending way more money on a hybrid only to find out it's been de-tuned to non-hybrid power to save the drivetrain! Should have built the truck to survive hybrid power...
@danvesa1182
3 ай бұрын
this was a word salad to confuse . sound's like a politician not wanting to take responsibility for a sub par product .
@bb_37
3 ай бұрын
TL;DR 24 minutes to explain that their software allowed the truck to do something that broke something. All new vehicles are more computer than mechanism. Sadly, perceived vehicle quality suffers with every computer, sensor, and actuator that the manufacturers add to their designs.
@triedproven9908
2 ай бұрын
Analog will rule supreme!
@matthewgaines10
3 ай бұрын
A real consumer would never get this level of service or responsiveness. They have a long, drawn out way of saying they have a design problem and they have insufficient design margin in the hardware. They aren’t going to fix the hardware problem right now so it can happen again. They are working on a software solution instead to limit the drivetrain forces further. At least he was brave enough to come forward. The response was disappointing but not surprising. The powertrain was designed to the minimum strength required for typical operation. Don’t push your luck on a trail. Tread lightly with these new Toyotas or you could regret it.
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