If your main investment is something as unstable as magic cards, you're a bad investor.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
This made me laugh more than it probably should have
@abranlucero7246
2 сағат бұрын
It's like saying investing in diamonds or cars is bad. Everyone knows that they lose value everyday but people still do it. Someone wanting to invest in magic isn't a bad thing. You're just as bad as the people. Doxing or saying death threats just leave it alone it has nothing to do with you if someone wants to invest in something
@architectofdreams73
2 сағат бұрын
Well it is also a matter of use. You can still use gold and diamonds. If They made it so you can no longer use them, they will drop in value and become a collector's item only. And investing in Magic is a risk, just like any other stock. Anyone that invested in the now banned cards, should have known this could happen at any time. Especially with 3 of them that had been on the ban watch list for a long time. If your only means of financial stability were any or all of these cards alone, then I have no sympathy for you. That's just dumb and you deserve it. Hate me if you will, I am not the one who had investment in card board. What if the game just dies one day. You always have to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. But in every investment, you win some, you lose some. Welcome to greed
@Sauvenil
Сағат бұрын
@@abranlucero7246 It's not the same as investing in diamonds or cars. Cars and diamonds aren't a completely volatile thing that can change value on the whims of bannings or changes in the metagame based on new cars or diamonds being created.
@Sauvenil
Сағат бұрын
@@abranlucero7246 Also, investing in diamonds is bad... they're useful sometimes because they're the hardest thing we regularly deal with, but that's their only REAL worth. The minute they leave DeBeers' hands they're nearly worthless. Don't buy diamonds, but buy DeBeers stock instead.
@collardcow4183
4 сағат бұрын
I’ve been saying it since the RC disbanded: WotC taking control is bad for magic the gathering. Not just for commander, but for the whole game. Power creep will go up in every format, cards will get even more expensive, and I wish the RC was still around fighting for the players. But I don’t blame the RC at all, this is on the assholes who sent death threats and doxxed them. It’s just a bad situation all around, worst of all for the RC.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
Completely agree. I'm currently working on a video for next week about basically what WotC will be like now they have commander
@Lowaver
3 сағат бұрын
I can't really see commander being all that fun to play anymore. I was looking forward to playing more commander with these bans. But now that WotC is in control, every decent deck will be so expensive that it's not fun.
@jonous2001
2 сағат бұрын
You don't have to play the cards you don't like....easy. Some people like to play more than one or two games an evening. No one knows how wizards will truly run commander. Better than a group with no ties.
@olaf7441
2 сағат бұрын
@@jonous2001I don't think anyone was suggesting that a group with no ties to the game should take over from the RC were they? Unless you mean that the RC themselves had no ties to the game, which is simply not true.
@seantaft3853
58 минут бұрын
The biggest argument against this: Power creep has already been happening with Commander when the RC was separated from WotC.
@snowperez1864
4 сағат бұрын
*HOLD IT!!* Traveler's Amulet is definitively NOT ramp; it is an example of Mana Fixing, as it filters your colors of mana by allowing you to search for the exact basic you need in the moment, but does NOT increase the amount of mana you would normally produce! That being said, i love your point of making sol rings different for each plane. It's why i love that every set gets its own unique basic land art, including the showcases, because even though lands are such a "yea duh" include, you can still make them Yours.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
That's two incredibly good points you've raised. Yeah, I was wrong about the ramp BUT what you said about the land is such a perfect example I wish I'd thought of it to include here. I didn't because I didn't even consider them. There are so many different lands that they don't even trigger that part of my brain that's tired of seeing Sol Ring, and I'm actually interested to see which ones people choose to run. Fantastic observation that illustrates what I was trying to say perfectly. And now I'm annoyed I didn't think of it haha. Thank you
@snowperez1864
4 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames always a pleasure :>
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
Well it was very much appriciated!
@robertmendez8383
3 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGamesyour opinions about the banning were also wrong as well.
@casteanpreswyn7528
2 сағат бұрын
@@robertmendez8383 no they aren't, and the vast majority of players agree.
@Mako276
3 сағат бұрын
#MakeEDHJankAgain
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
#MakeEDHJankAgain 100%!
@ryanhefner2011
37 минут бұрын
I was thinking about how great it would be if we made a pre-2016 Commander format. Or maybe a pre-2019/pre-border change format. Called it the Cloud format for the old men who yell at clouds.
@afluka
Сағат бұрын
As a casual magic player, when I first learned of EDH, I loved the idea of taking cards made for 1v1 formats and trying to cook up a 100 card singleton deck that can handle having 3 opponents at once. The moment I learned cards were printed specifically for commander (like jewelled lotus), that enthusiasm waned a bit, but I was reassured by the philosophy of the rules committy and counted on them to at least keep the worst offenders in check. Now that it's all in the hands of the very same people who printed jewelled lotus in the first place... I'm not optimistic about the future.
@andreaspetzold2850
3 сағат бұрын
I think the "WotC designing only for commander in mind" problem will only get worse now, I mean it already feels like as a limited player that in every set there are now multiple cards that are dead in draft but only there as chase card for commander players, especially at high rarity.
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
I've noticed this in a bunch of sets too. It's why my Bloomburrow video basically focused on it. And I think you're right in that it will only get worse
@PhoenicopterusR
2 сағат бұрын
Especially with these brackets they're looking to implement. Now we're probably going to see some cards that design-wise are biased towards certain brackets, but they're going to start being pushed even just within those brackets. Like, here's card X, it's allowed in brackets 2 to 4; now here's card Y, it's like card X but way better and will still be allowed in bracket 2 even though it should likely be relegated strictly to brackets 3 and 4.
@ENCHANTMEN_
3 сағат бұрын
Honestly its ubiquity and cheap price is a point in _favor_ of banning Sol Ring. No one's gonna cry "muh investment" over it, after all.
@ENCHANTMEN_
3 сағат бұрын
Honestly the only real argument to keep it is that it's so heavily pushed in every single precon. But like, you can just swap it for a basic land.
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
Very good points actually. And yeah, I that could be an easy way to fix already printed pre-cons
@toedrag-release
2 сағат бұрын
@@ENCHANTMEN_I stopped putting sol ring in my decks and I dont miss it one bit. Honestly it starts to feel like a waste of a slot after a while.
@fairygoodmuller8065
2 сағат бұрын
@@toedrag-release my friend doesnt use sol ring in any of his family's decks and I rarely put it into any new decks i make (exception being a cycling deck helmed by sharuum cause it pays for cycle soo neatly) and i've been really enjoying making decks with a precon budget restriction of around €40 and my other friends are getting into it too. it's very satisfying watching them pop off against "normal" decks and win the occasional game
@A.I.Friends
2 сағат бұрын
Richard Garriot once said, "I don't think any one person would buy a compete box of magic the gathering." This explains the rares.
@bryceduyvewaardt8136
3 сағат бұрын
I wouldn’t describe Traveler’s Amulet as ramp, but I like your point about its artwork fitting different planes and I’d say that Wayfarer’s Bauble can be championed more!
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, you're not wrong. Ramp maybe wasn't the best word, but I guess "Mana related" was a bit of a mouthful
@1423big
Сағат бұрын
This! More wayfarer's baubles!
@jeancarlo37
4 сағат бұрын
WoTC taking control of commander is one of, if not the worst thing that could happen to the format, but we have to remember that they can only do that if we let them do it, I mean the only reason the RC worked was because of community support, if other people just decide to make a new RC they could if the community supports them, there's a lot of creators that could occup this space, the problem is whos is gonna want to do that after what just happend? These death threats where horrible and I belive a by product of wizards appealing to "investors", this game always had a culture of people treating it like an investiment, and being completely honest if you think a card game is an investiment your out of your mind, honestly it dosen't suprise me these people acted like that, some people really need to gtfu
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
I'm working on a follow up to this video right now and am also expressing my concerns about what WotC will be like as stewards of the format. I think you're right, and that we don't need them, but I also think you're right in that no one else will want the job. There are some rough times ahead
@robertmendez8383
3 сағат бұрын
They ruin everything they touch
@yurisei6732
2 сағат бұрын
I don't think a new RC will work. Existing players will struggle to accept anyone else deciding which cards are banned; the ex-RC only managed because it's been there for so long and it's something you accepted getting into the format. In its absence, WOTC's banlists will become the default because even if everyone hates their choices, they'll be the only ones that everyone acknowledges have authority. Plus, a lot of people play commander partially or wholly at sanctioned stores, which will mostly use whatever banlist WOTC creates.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
@robertmendez8383 That's VERY close to the working title of my next video
@jeancarlo37
Сағат бұрын
@@yurisei6732 That's really dependent on the community, if people see commander as a community format tham they will play with whatever rules are more fun, lots of people play with banned cards or proxys for example just because their play group is okay with it, the RC just gave guide lines for people to follow, and if the community just decides that it wants to play a certain way then they will play it that way, the power of the RC as guides came from the respect of the player base, and WoTC loses this respect on a daily basis, so I do belive is possible, but I don't think anyone is gonna want to do it
@the_devils_jester
Сағат бұрын
I read the last announcements as "The RC is resigning, there will not be suitable management of the ban list anymore. Manage it yourself."
@kettlejams9742
50 минут бұрын
WotC dipping their toe into EDH was dooming since day one. The early precons normalizing sol ring and selling mainly off exclusive printings of legacy-strength cards was a slippery slope towards Commander being just another (eventually the biggest) money cow for Wizards.
@shrouded8797
2 сағат бұрын
Reject greed. Embrace the casual. Didn't come up with the hastag myself, but: #MakeEDHJankAgain
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
I've been seeing this and I completely agree #MakeEDHJankAgain
@dyne313
2 сағат бұрын
This is the beginning of the end of Commander. The Finance bros will help Hasbro ruin the format.
@nashwinston1395
4 сағат бұрын
My favorite Sol Ring alt art is from the Sheldon’s spell book because its flavor text was just perfect for me the way it altered the text of the St. Crispin’s day speech. I think you’re right with the alt art as a way to at least somewhat address the homogeneity.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
I doubt I'll ever like the card, but seeing more arts of it would make me dislike it less
@auraaetherbladesigma6939
2 сағат бұрын
Also consider the following as well, if Wizards unbanned the hits from the September 2024 ban hammer, not only will it embolden those who sent the death threats to do it more often, but it’ll also hit wizard’s already tainted reputation more and the player base will plummet on mass. But that’s just my guess on the fallout if Wizards were to unban the following cards.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
I hadn't considered that, but actually yeah you're right. I hope they don't unban them
@PhoenicopterusR
2 сағат бұрын
WotC unbanning those cards would feel like the nail in the coffin of reasonable discourse over bans. The harrassers are likely already high on the ego they got just from causing the RC to disband, I can't imagine what they'd get up to if they felt 100% justified.
@king.eternal5980
Сағат бұрын
I would agree if the RC unbanned them. But WotC can easily take this opportunity to say "we've taken some time to let the dust settle and we're going to start fresh" then release whatever list they want. I imagine that's what most people expect to happen. Keeping certain cards banned to stick it to the smallest number of bad actors is silly. WotC even told the RC banning like that was a mistake.
@PhoenicopterusR
Сағат бұрын
@@king.eternal5980 It's not about "Sticking it" to them, it's about showing them that they can't harass people and get their way for it. It would risk setting an awful precedent to do otherwise.
@stenstensson2610
50 минут бұрын
They wont unban them; they will print even more scarce and pushed replacements that investors can chase
@macinnes800ad
2 сағат бұрын
So I saw the title and initially I thought I'd disagree about potentially banning Sol Ring, but I resonate so much with being essentially forced to play it over potentially worse cards that are more fun to use. You're also spot on with the bannings - It's all WotC's fault with their stingy reprint policy and hunger for money that led to the cards skyrocketing in price
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, it's a strong statement I've made here. I just hope everyone actually listens to the video like you have because I don't feel I've been unreasonable. Thank you for the comment
@yurisei6732
2 сағат бұрын
I strongly agree with banning sol ring. Something I really dislike about Commander is the way that so much of the format boils down to ramp and draw - every deck starts with adding the right amount of these two functions, then finding out you only have like 10 slots left for the synergistic cards you're actually excited to use. Ramp and draw are so ubiquitous and mandatory that they're just the basic rules of the format happening to take the form of cards you have to draw into, and cards like sol ring make the basic rules of the game even more luck-sacky than "sometimes you'll just get a full hand of lands" already is. I think Commander would be healthier long term if the basic mana base was smoothed out quite a bit, minimising the impact of one player happening to draw into the most productive end of the mana base. I'd sooner take "everyone starts with sol ring in their hand" than leave sol ring as is. I'm fine with command tower though, command tower can stay, because my command tower has pretty art.
@thebigsquig
2 сағат бұрын
and standard is the best its been in years, but everyone is too busy complaining about the format they have an abusive relationship with to notice.
@AtomTomZeitalter
Сағат бұрын
We have a Turn 2 deck in Standard. Standard would be good if we removed some of the RDW cards.
@joeferreti9442
Сағат бұрын
Technically "Traveler's Amulet" is not ramp! It puts the land in your hand and not into play, so you can't get above the curve with it (without further effects). But yeah, ban Sol Ring and fix Standard, WotC!
@leadpaintchips9461
3 сағат бұрын
Sol Ring being dropped on turn 1 isn't as bad as a mana crypt or a jeweled lotus, and it's not as bad on turn 2-3 as dockside. It's also not nearly as bad as dropping sol ring _and_ those other cards. In my own games, sol ring didn't run it out so far ahead that no one could catch up to the person who played it and those people trying to use the 'slower mana rocks' are just outpaced by people using other fast mana sources that don't include sol ring. Don't get me wrong, I fully believe there needs to be a larger ban list. I also believe that we need to shift Rule 0 from 3 people being aware of, and convincing someone from playing a specific card to one person trying to convince 3 other people to let them play a card. Where they have to lay out on the table their jank to get permission to play it instead of asking forgiveness after they janked their way to a win.
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I wonder if this new bracket system will help with that. I'm dubious on what they've revealed about it so far honestly
@king.eternal5980
2 сағат бұрын
I could argue Sol ring is just as strong as crypt, but the real difference is that Sol ring is in 99% of decks. Crypt is in 10% of EDHREC decks, which includes theory crafted decks, dream decks, etc, AND is the smallest subset of the community because the most casual players don't post their decks online. The chances that you run into a crypt on turn 1 and they run away with the game is easily under 1%. Edit: banning JLo is as silly as it being printed in the first place. Neither should have happened. Never once saw that card make a difference in a game that wasn't HIGHLY competitive.
@marceloaraujo2803
Сағат бұрын
I dare to say that if they had banned sol ring, (people would still complain, don't get me wrong) the reaction wouldn't be this extreme because at least it would show some consistency from the RC. The fact that they chose to keep Sol Ring just made people that much more suspicious that the RC has its hands tied to WoTC, and that is infuriating.
@doomexe
18 минут бұрын
Ok now get rid of the fucking reserve list.
@Robotoken-299
5 сағат бұрын
Joke's on you, Rules Committee. These bannings don't phase my Estrid Stax Enchantress deck which has won a few cedh tournaments at my LGS and didn't play any of these cards nor Sol Ring. Touching on the different arts for Sol Ring, we have gotten a few from Secret Lairs as well like the Black is Magic, Space theme and Hatsune Miku lairs. The concerns of WotC taking over the Commander format is very valid. Commander is very different in comparison to the other formats. We have no idea of how many people play commander let alone cedh. And there's no solid data on what this player base would like for the format since there are so many opinions on the commander format. At least with competitive formats we have more solid data based on tournament results to determine what cards to ban and possibly unban.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
True, but Secret Lairs not a good avenue for reprints honestly. Especially with the recent changes. Also, excellent to hear about your deck! That's exactly the sort of thing I think the format needs!
@robertmendez8383
3 сағат бұрын
Casuals will never understand that they don't lose games because any specific cards but because they are just terrible at the game.
@TheLordRumfish
Сағат бұрын
@@robertmendez8383You sound like you have no joy.
@daedalus115-2
4 сағат бұрын
as a casual player, my only issue with mana crypt/jeweled lotus was always cost to entry. the fact that so many popular figures/youtubers/content creators all had the pricy mana cards really lead to a feeling of FOMO for someone who didnt feel like dropping more than 7$ on a single card. i could see the FOMO being a lot worse for someone more ingrained into the community. if they simply printed mana crypt as much as sol ring, i could see that card having a similar legacy as for sol ring being everywhere.. i feel like its a non-issue? like sure, a lot of my friends have it, but it never really leads to that big of an issue in the long run. maybe its a competitive-only thing.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
It's a lot of factors honestly, and everyone's opinion will be different. For instance I'm not a fan regardless of price (hence #BanSolRing for a video even though that's cheap). I think the reason they were banned though, was because the games where the cards made an appearance lead to one player steam rolling the rest and that's not great fun even for casual players. WotC could battle this by printing even more busted cards, but then we get into the issue of every deck starting to look the same. Which is why they said they made cards like Jeweled lotus rare to begin with. Very tricky situation all round
@DigitalinDaniel
2 сағат бұрын
I don't use Sol Ring in any of my decks because its much more fun to find clever or on-theme ways to ramp... Also just pointing out, Traveler's Amulet isn't ramp... :^) Now if all the Traveler's Amulets were replaced with Wayfarer's Bauble we'd be talkin! But WotC HAS been printing lots of slower and cooler than Sol Ring 3 cost rocks with unique effects: Patchwork Banner, Misleading Signpost, Cursed Mirror, Progenitor's Icon... uhh Staff of Compleation and a bunch more... and there's a lot of old ones, Phyrexian Totem feels like abuse in my Shirei deck. xD I think they should get rid of The List, Showcase, and Secret Lair... and Special Guests should be 30 on-theme-full-art reprints with a better pull rate. Like 1 in 12 packs. (Or the Special Guests could be the Showcase cards.) But I also think each set should only have 1 commander precon, something that really captures the set as a whole... Bumbleflower going all-out as a Gift deck as the only Bloomburrow precon would have been perfect, the other set abilities are very niche and derivative.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
I agree actually. Adding these cards into regular packs, and slowing down designed for the format cards would be great imho
@gusty7153
28 минут бұрын
i have a version of sol ring that i think was for pride or something. really liked the art and flavor text: "the relic has been kept in a place of power, of community, of friendship---distilling magic from the light of love." got it off ebay. it really stands out
@mugthemagpie3001
Сағат бұрын
The problem with the Sol Ring ban is that it would render the absolutely ONLY affordable event chain to a lot of people, Commander Party, unable to be olayed. Playing with precon decks for $6 entry fee, or 25 PLN which is a price lower than your typical one person meal in Poland -- while Prerelease or even Draft events are already more expensive than 120 PLN and this is money not everyone can just throw weekly. Due to the ban of the Dockyard Extortionist, one precon is already illegal during the event.
@deaexmachina6534
4 сағат бұрын
Thinking about it. Investors sellin their cards in fear of losing money to lower prices seems like heaven for me. On the other hand. I proxy 90 percent of my decks so i dont realy care :D Hasbro may own the rules, but my printer owns the paper :D
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
Haha! I love it
@califkids3
46 минут бұрын
Came for the breaking news, stayed for the 🦀 dating. Also, its so sad the fallout from all this especially considering commanders origin as a for fun casual format between tournament games.
@schaedli177
Сағат бұрын
there are many things most people need - patience - better investment skills - nerves - crab cards - more crab cards - even more crab cards - a crab only format... look what i wanna say is people need to learn how to chill, things aren't looking to good right now and that we need more crabs. i wanna make a crab deck so badly and the crabdate reminded me of why i want a crab deck also i agree with the amulett stand point. sol ring would be a bit nicer if it at least looked differently
@partyballoonsnorwich2122
2 сағат бұрын
You're spot on with your opinions! I agree with everything you've said! Well done with your observations and sharing!
@thembosupremepizza1827
20 минут бұрын
im upset they used the least scary cultivate for duskmourn commander decks. if youre going to give me 1 cent cards then give me them in unique art
@seantaft3853
Сағат бұрын
0:25 that time frame is also about the time frame between set releases these days.
@Griever49
20 минут бұрын
I have still yet to hear a single argument againsts these bans that doesn't take into account money. I believe price in the secondary market should never EVER be taken into account in the conversation of banning cards. It would be like a fighting game not nerfing a broken character because "it was a DLC character so it would be unfair to the people who bought the extra character"
@bartoffer
3 сағат бұрын
From a financial perspective, these bans were always just a matter of making the assets momentarily less liquid. Because it was obvious from the announcement that something cEDH would break off: none of the cards are an issue there. So soon as that format coalesced, the prices would recover - especially given that WOTC would be more hesitant to include them in future products if they're banned. That particular aspect did change with the brackets idea, but they would still obviously recover. The brackets system they've suggested so far doesn't seem, to me, like a step in the wrong direction. Standard's issues have stemmed from godawful card design and play design working in tandem, whereas Modern's issues were predated in commander, with product printed directly to it. With the format so large and so uniquely vulnerable to pubstomping because everything was ill-defined handwaving of "oh, your group will figure it out, nuts to you if you want to play pickup though," something like this was inevitably going to be lurched towards.
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
I'm working on a follow up to this video that's all about the bracket system. And I agree, it's not a step in the wrong direction but (to me at least) seems to be a step in no direction. I also agree that the issue has always been power creep and scarcity, and sadly those are things I don't think that will be fixed under WotC
@bartoffer
3 сағат бұрын
I think for play groups, it's effectively a step in no direction - though the upswing of their 'officially' undoing certain bans may help there. For pickup games, offering a central hub of ideas about what the various philosophies of play are and what types of cards populate those various philosophies is a real improvement. Under the current rules and guidelines, all four of the banned cards were perfectly fine in a deck I'd call a '6,' because there was no agreed-upon 1-10 scale that players could reference. And "Bracket 1" sounds better than "I'm a 4," a description no-one would ever give their deck.
@rachelf6745
2 сағат бұрын
2:35 *looks into camera like jim from the office*
@comlitbeta7532
13 минут бұрын
"...i am not going to be covering the development until the end of the video..." Ho boy "... we should stand together to keep our format..." HO BOY This video is the peak of dramatic irony I personalty always considered the rules to be more guideline than anything else so whoever is proclaiming himself king don't really affect me, i play what i want and if anybody don't want to play against me i will happily go play with someone else
@vincebucanan2209
19 минут бұрын
there are probably three times as many variants of sol ring compared to that amulet. but let’s complain anyways bc there “aren’t enough variants”
@Y00bi
Сағат бұрын
I think people overvalue the idea of even 10 cards in a commander deck being homogenous amongst colours. It's a singleton format. It's not that big of a deal.
@marcoottina654
Сағат бұрын
1:42? The carcination of the comments section? Count me in! High Pincher! Yes, Sol Ring is good I. Artifact deck that could gain for the mana cost reduction and subsequent storm count. Like, my "Gnostro" Deck. Or a clone deck based all around artifacts. You can see: it's flavourful!. I wouldn't add Some Ring in my others 7 decks. Just for example. Also yes, I'm not willing to use some cards because they are power crept out.
@fikamonster2564
2 сағат бұрын
14:23 i was surprised that sol ring didnt enter with a stun counter or entered tapped.
@Romashka_Sov
Сағат бұрын
Tbh i think they should put Sol Ring as an ability in a commander zone at this point
@Cookiedive
4 сағат бұрын
I like all the red bobcat's videos
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
Thank you very much, always appriciated
@mathieubrebouillet714
Сағат бұрын
I actually look for alternate arts for my sol rings and command towers, and basically any cards that I have in multiple decks... all of my basic lands are different...
@charlieread7097
2 сағат бұрын
Sucks to hear about all the death threats, the Internet is a terrible place sometimes. I will say though you handled it very well in the crabdate
@byeguyssry
2 сағат бұрын
I do think Sol Ring being around might be a good thing. I don't play Commander, but it seems to me that having an explosive start from time to time is a good thing for a casual format, as long as it doesn't happen too often; therefore you may want to have one "best" card in the format so that from time to time you get to start a game overpowered - but not too often
@BattleAxeRX
Сағат бұрын
Sol Ring is a staple. Having 10 effective sol ring cards in a deck is practically not even a singleton format. Sol ring is baseline. Level 1. Thanks.
@HeroTori
44 минут бұрын
I'll have you know, I've been running Mark Tedin's Sol Ring art since my first EDH deck! :P But good point there, as somehow even my 4th Edition Sol Rings seem special in most pods I've been in recent years. I'm always torn on the premise of Sol Ring in the 99... because it feels good to have, it's generally easy to reach early-game if not in the opener, it offsets more cost-heavy cards making them more reasonable to play and makes having your commander deleted feel less bad. But at the same time, it always feels like an auto-include, which is a -1 to more creative choices. It's the same reason a lot of players avoid and cut basic lands, even if we still have the option of finding really nice and thematic artworks to fit our decks. The concept of official bans in this casual format is an odd one to me. When I first entered the format around 2010, the banned cards were things that could abruptly and unfairly end games like Biorhythm, things that overextended the games like Upheaval (somehow Shahrazad was overlooked at the time), and cost-prohibitive cards like the Power 9. I played a lot during the time that Primeval Titan was legal, and I found him equally fun to play with and against-- the ability to use an opponent's Primeval Titan from their library or graveyard was as much a staple in my playgroups as the titan himself. After Primeval Titan was banned, even though my playgroups almost exclusively played commander with each other, we all abandoned our beloved titan to conform with the rules. As the banlist adds more cards, I feel like it's more and more of a "Rule 0" discussion. Some cards are just plain unhealthy, and that's why they're banned. Some cards are fun and, in the right pod, not an unfair card in the pool. I like using Sol Ring, but I find more and more players who dislike it, and even have pride for not running it in their decks. I'd be more than happy to swap out my flaming ring for something else in a pod, just as I'd personally allow players to use stuff like Primeval Titan in our casual game. I've always been very pro-proxy (and it really helps with the individuality of decks), so it really comes down to the kind of game that everyone wants to play. Discussion is the most important part when it comes to commander, as it's intended to be a casual, social format. I never saw winning as the primary objective in a game of commander, but moreso "how many cool things can we get to happen."
@Xahnel
45 минут бұрын
I would rather not ban sol ring, because the mana building phase is boring and I want to get going faster. And everyone having access to an artifact that gets you a colorless pool to splash around with makes the game faster.
@semislowman
19 минут бұрын
People confused the word investment with paying for a card for your decks as an investment in your decks. If you are investing in magic cards for financial purposes. You probably made money despite the bans. If you aren't doing it for money and bought some of these cards to play. You lost money. The dismissal of those people isn't fair either. I don't care that I lost money. Having said that. Most agree the way this was handled was flawed at best and wizards having the opportunity to talk the RC out of it but the CAG and the players didn't. This is the issue that most players are upset about. You can dismiss them too but you don't represent everyone. This isn't a direct reply to the video. More so the comments here. The RC deserves respect but they got it wrong. The threats just took everything to a level no one wants.
@wgdjoefraser
2 сағат бұрын
I havent watched the whole video yet, but well done for the "this is not a breaking news channel" disclaimer. I hare clickbaiting and not enough people are honest about their uploads this way. Thanks for that. You immediately get my respect as a "good" content creator (until proven otherwise..lol). 👍
@toedrag-release
3 сағат бұрын
Look I had a crypt and lotus in a deck along with vault and tomb...and I have to admit that lotus and crypt banning is for the better of the format. the issue is these cards were seeping into more and more casual games and it seems like SOME people dont have the social awareness when to pull out "that deck". Commander has a certain kind of etiquette where we all try to match the power level at the table that's why the 1-10 scale was attempted and why now were getting a 1-4 bracket system. To many people pulling slapping a lotus and or crypt against people playing at a precon level and that's never fun for new comers or casual players. The bans could have been done better but again it's for the better of the format, and if were being honest lotus never should have been banned and crypt should have been banned years ago. And if you have these cards and want to play them you can always rule 0 them in.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I agree. In fact I'd go further, not only should the cards not have been banned but I think they shouldn't have been printed in the first place
@noblegalifreyan4551
52 минут бұрын
Wotc ruined commander before commander was taken over by them.
@TroyLambert-b5c
13 минут бұрын
A deck that has mana crypt and sol ring assuming everything else is the same is objectively more powerful then a deck with just sol ring, assuming again that everything else is equal. The RC didn't like talking about it, but price and availability matter when discussing power. Is sol ring to strong? yes, but its fun sometimes to have it in your opening hand.
@qriist1850
22 минут бұрын
I am skeptical of the claims of death threats.
@_-___________
5 минут бұрын
remember rule 0. I don't care about what a bunch of beurocrats on the other side of the planet have to say about the game I'm playing. Sure, official events are barred to this type of play-style, but I'm playing with my friends.
@TheAngelRaven
Сағат бұрын
Disagree: Yes, when playing with randoms there is a likelihood of running into high-power decks, but that's why you ask what everyone's playing beforehand if it truly matters to you. However, when you are playing with the same group of people [haha just rule 0 loser x3] then you know exactly what your play group is doing and the power relatively speaking. The banlist should be removed and rebuilt fully, if not permanently removed and replaced by like 5 'Warning' cards as a true signpost. I rather have no bans and be pushed further to ask if people are running toxic stuff than have power reduced across the board. Nadu was the ONLY ban I'm perfectly fine with because his playstyle was toxic due to time management. If price and power are issues then why are cards from the reserved list still unbanned?
@Squid-King
2 сағат бұрын
I cannot fathom WoTC would handle Commander's banlist and balancing anywhere near as well as the RC used to. Granted they weren't always on point with their bannings, but I do not see WoTC having any control over what they do and don't ban. They could very easily unban those four cards and we'd be right back where we started, if not worse. New and arguably more powerful cards could be forced into the format, without anyone being able to stop them. I could see it following other cardgames where WoTC refuses to ban powerful cards for the reason of keeping their prices artificially high. What's a game to them, than just an engine to print infinite money? I don't see commander tower, arcane signet or sol ring as problems because of the very same reasons you mentioned before but for a different reason. They are cheap, accessible, and every commander player has access to them. Or at least to a point where they aren't paying more than a handful of dollars to acquire them. Cheap staples are always better for the game than having expensive auto-include staples. Yes they homogenize the game as well, but having those cards be so much more available and affordable than Mana Crypt or Dockside Extortionist says so much.
@MirroredDreamscape
22 минут бұрын
this was what I had been saying from the moment I heard about the ban list, and the reason for it. Don't like explosive starts? don't like deckbuilding homogeneity? Ban Sol Ring, cowards. Ban Sol Ring and every signet and 2 mana rock that is included in 100% of decklists ever made. Do it, or you're lying out of your faces. Don't give me that garbage that Sol Ring is the identity of the format. The format isn't called 'Sol Ring', it's called 'Commander'. If your stupid mana ramp card is more iconic than the creatures the format is _named after_ for crying out loud, there's something fundamentally wrong and game-warping about its presence. I also don't see how Jeweled Lotus is worth the low-quality cardstock it's printed on anymore, seeing as how it's now banned in the only format it was useable in in the first place. At least Crypt still has a home in vintage, but Jeweled Lotus went from a hundred dollar fetch card to barely being worth burning for warmth on a cold winter day.
@YD-Originals
Сағат бұрын
they need to ban all the cards, turn magic into a dice games
@wilagaton9627
2 сағат бұрын
WOTCs control over the format might work out the kinks right now and for the short time, but we should be cautious. Its admirable that they still want the community involved in the running of the format, but Commander is Magic's cash cow right now. Its not too difficult to see that the company might bring down a mandate that will affect the format, without real input from the community. I mean, they released a Modern Horizon set and made commander precons as a supplementary product instead of Modern precons 😅 They are very commander-happy right now. And now they control it.
@bmorr
2 сағат бұрын
Sol Ring should be banned, but the hardest part is that all precons would contain an illegal card, and that's not friendly to new players who are getting into the format. I think that WotC should provide a replacement card somehow whether it be through the LGS that sells it, or they just mail you a card.
@joeferreti9442
Сағат бұрын
We had that before with precons. As long as the precon is played unchanged, all cards in it are considered legal. But sure, that won't fix the confusion for new players, that they will have to replace the banned card when changing the deck.
@Garl_Vinland
Сағат бұрын
I’d love to not run the new cards if not for the fact that they’re so comically strictly better than cards released only a few years ago and that they’re all using such bad woke art as if they want non binary Stacey to just be strictly better than their old fans
@eldestfan101
Сағат бұрын
I want standard to be fun so badly. I came back to magic from yugioh specifically because I wanted a rotating format but standard doesnt get much support where I live so I'm stuck playing on arena where the meta is so bland.
@PhoenicopterusR
Сағат бұрын
Literally the only reason I started commander was how bland 60 card formats were getting. Maybe look into doing cubes, then you can "rotate" whenever you feel like it, or look into adding something like Planechase to your games for a little bit of extra spice.
@vaazon
Сағат бұрын
@@PhoenicopterusR60 card formats are mostly played for competitive purpose so naturally you will run into the same decks when meta is created. When you play 60 card format with friends it is as fun as commander because you don't need to netdeck and just have fun at brewing. Competitively though pauper appears to be the most interesting one since WOTC destroyed modern with MH3 and LotR sets. Pioneer seems not to take off. Standard - I have no knowledge on this one since I am not interested in a rotating format. Meanwhile pauper has valid combo decks, storm deck, tempo, aggro, walls, burn, affinity, goblins, elves, control faeries. Every week meta at my LGS is different. Affinity is the most common one obviously but not dominating.
@PhoenicopterusR
Сағат бұрын
@@vaazon My issue is that, despite early on playing exclusively 60-card with friends, the games felt samey after seeing the same deck 2 or 3 times and I wasn't looking to build a new deck every weekend just to keep things interesting. For me personally, Planechase made it bearable and commander kept things more varied for longer. I understand that's the nature of 60-card and I don't dislike it entirely, I just don't enjoy it for too many games. I definitely forgot about Pauper, which I have heard many good things about. There's also some smaller alternative formats like Oathbreaker (maybe?) that fit the commander deck building but the speed of 60-card formats.
@eldestfan101
Сағат бұрын
@vaazon I'm definitely thinking about picking up Pauper. It seems to have most of what I want from a 60-card format, and I can finally make it out to pauper night at my LGS.
@DarkSignal94
Сағат бұрын
I've learn 3 fundamental truths about MTG players in my almost nonstop 10 years olaying thruoght several formats: 1st: we play to win most of the time 2nd: we are not creative, we tend if not preffer to netdeck tier 1 conpetitive decks and say "its the way the game is supodñsed to be played" 3rd: we play for status: we want to be the "elite" player of por lgs or community so anything but optimal is unacceptable since we dont tie our ranking to logical argumments like "well this Neheb deck has a low winrate vs this other deck based on mechanics and color relations" no its because im better poayer than you. And bonos 4th...for this reasons...we like to pay to win. So we dont want our super overpriced cardboard piece to be banned, since it make us feel weak and insecure. Thats bc we humans are emotional beings tied to emocional value.
@GeekoTreecko
45 минут бұрын
Maybe we should also ban islands bc it makes all the blue decks homogenous
@Icegaze039
31 минут бұрын
Echochamber of socially maladapted goblins 😂
@mateuszjezierski7460
3 сағат бұрын
I have like 12 decks and not running Sol Ring in any of them. Managed to convince one buddy and now we are spreading the idea together:)
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Do it!
@casteanpreswyn7528
2 сағат бұрын
38 decks in total, only 4 run Sol Ring. One is from the earlier days the other 3 are artifact or big mana decks. Almost included it in mine Zevlor "but just the bad single target spells" deck, but decided against it.
@Ornithopter470
Сағат бұрын
If you're willing to ban sol ring, are you also willing to ban something like crop rotation? Or caged sun (caged sun is less of an issue, but I've absolutely cheated it out on turn two before.) Fast mana used to refer specifically to things like rituals and one shot mana effects, sol ring and it's ilk were not part of the "fast mana" conversation back then. Sol ring was considered ramp. Sure, it was powerful ramp, but still ramp. Meanwhile, it currently also exists as a way for colors that can't reliably ramp well to have some amount of ramp to keep up with green having 5 or more lands by turn 3.
@otterfire4712
3 сағат бұрын
I am one of the few that are optimistic for WotC taking in the format and looking to form brackets for cards. This defines the power level of cards and allows casual players to reject the use of them at tables. This also allows the use of almost all cards in some capacity in some level of play. WotC also has the resources to gather, study, and present a bracketed list for all of the cards. Not all communities within Commander need this system, it's moreso for locals and it's presentable as deck building challenge for some people looking to build for certain brackets.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
This is actually what my next video is on, because while I'd agree that they could do exactly what you said it seems like they're planning something different. They seemed to suggest they're not going to bracket all the cards, and maybe even none of the cards but instead just use the brackets as more philosophical guidance. I guess we'll have to wait and see
@otterfire4712
2 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames still very much appealing to hear given complaints about power disparities at tables. Everyone's 7 is different and all that. Framing power of Commander staples would help guide players to understand levels of play cards should be at.
@byeguyssry
2 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames I think it's way too early to tell. The devil's in the details
@ilyafoskin
3 сағат бұрын
2:45 I have another perspective on this statement that the people who are angry at these bans and behaving badly should be directing their anger toward WotC for creating the predatory market conditions in the first place. Most of the people who made those threats are in favour of WotC cultivating this market and pushing cards meant to grow to over €100 in value. They can never be convinced that such market conditions are bad, they want secure assets which will accrue value and they’re only angry that the RC interfered with their asset security for the purpose of healthy gameplay. There is no one else they can direct their anger toward. Not that they should, I know you didn’t mean that they should harass WotC instead of the RC. These are just bad people who want to participate in card market speculation and investment. I suspect that if WotC now unbans Crypt and Lotus, there won’t be death treats from the people who did agree with the the RC decision because people who agreed had no financial investment and their concern was game experience, or altruism. Death threats are far more likely to come from people motivated by financial self interest. WotC would likely act in future to minimise backlash from the people who are more likely to make threats and the game would suffer.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, and it's all a really sorry state of affairs. Like I said at the end there, I hope WotC learn from this and change their ways
@maidenless_tarnished
37 минут бұрын
Just a typical ignorant america here lol. The D/M/Y doesn't really make as much sense as M/D/Y. Having the month first gives way more info than day first. Say you were to shorten it to just M/Y. Why then obfuscate a general date like this by putting a less general date in front? Have the general term first, and then specific term after
@gashnal
Сағат бұрын
i dont know who needs to hear this but "any kind of investment comes with market risk. the reason there is room to make money with investment is volitility. complaining because the market responded to some real world event is what happens with any market. these people are mad because they held onto value hoping it would go up more and got caught lacking. Its the risk they chose to take. Its the same risk players chose to take by buying it for play. knowing full well both WotC and the CRC do ban cards from play that are too strong. this smells of the same entitlement as what banks express when they gamble and lose.
@brandoncreek5709
2 сағат бұрын
Cynical me is waiting for them to print a "fixed" version of all these cards to try and fill the gap and still have their pretty chase cards.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
I suspect cynical you may be correct
@dyne313
2 сағат бұрын
I think you should have used Wayfarers Bauble instead of Traveler's Amulet.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Yeah probably, but I just really like Traveler's Amulet though. It's so pretty!
@piershollott339
2 сағат бұрын
There will always be new player created formats, and for better or worse, WOTC will create cards that sell to those formats... Gifting in Bloomburrow seems like a great mechanic that benefits multiplayer, and it's not the first. Calling out "commander" in the Assassin's Creed set seemed to me like too much... but I'm curious how much of the future decisions WOTC makes will be based on the success of Arena, where every mythic rare has effectively the same cost, so it's a great onramp for new players... and Brawl is similar to Commander, but it's not multiplayer. I suspect new players will often durdle around on Arena, then pick up a Commander pre-con, and then what? Buy some chase rares that they realize they don't need, or learn to draft better, or stay on Arena and drop Commander? My personal frustration is starter products that sell out when they contain one or two chase rares. The optimist in me says WOTC has done a great job with Standard, and they need to fix their other formats. Biggest change coming up for new player will probably be Foundations, though.
@Itachi45481
2 сағат бұрын
The community had power to keep wotc in check to an extent theoretically before all of this happened they could of banned sol ring and make every precon illegal including every precon 2 years into the future and now they have free reign to do what they want I like Gavin but he is one man. And yeah I love travellers amulet it was my sol ring for every deck that didn’t have one and yes I used the different arts to match my decks.
@sordieo
2 сағат бұрын
Sol ring should stay. Ban mana vault or grim monolith before sol ring. Many other cards to ban before sol ring IMO
@matthewlugo2417
Сағат бұрын
They literally cant cause its been printed in every commander deck so what are people Gonna buy a deck and realize one card is banned so the deck is incomplete no dude
@dyne313
2 сағат бұрын
As Americans we get it, there is no 25th month of the year!
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Ha, I'd almost forgotten I'd included that bit
@dyne313
Сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames It is funny. I do prefer the non American format.
@ld205727
3 сағат бұрын
i liked for crab
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
The best like I've ever recieved
@leonfriedemann9151
2 сағат бұрын
I like the video... One point that stould out to me was caling travelers amulet ramp... What in most players view it isn't i think. I do totally agree, that its cool to have thematic art for cards .. I allways am excited what new arts we get in the precons nowadays ... 😊 And yeah either ban sol ring or put it bracket 4 where it belongs! I would have liked it better if they banned it over crypt... But essentially both should be banned.
@The_Grimsun
4 сағат бұрын
Appreciate the video as always. Rule 0 and Proxy are never more relevant than now.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
100% agree
@HyperHowie56
3 сағат бұрын
Probably a hot take...Maybe precons need a little fun bump with Sol Ring in them. So with the new tier system, make Sol Ring allowed in only precon level of play. Ban Sol Ring in the higher power tier levels. This is coming from someone who plays and collects all the precons with no modifications. My favorite way to play magic has always been with the precons all the way back to my first one...The Spikes from Stronghold.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
But, I feel on the otherhand there's a suggestion here that the precons aren't fun without them. And if that's the case, couldn't we just make better precons?
@HyperHowie56
2 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames I learned from watching the Distraction Makers (game designers) channel that part of what makes a format casual is having higher variance and less consistency. Example, an amateur like me could never beat a grand champion at chess since their is no variance, meaning chess is all skill. However, in magic because of variance, you can still expect to sometimes beat a pro player. So keeping this single high power card (Sol Ring) that allows for an extra exciting start within precon level is a good thing imo. Its iconic and fun. And since its the only one in the precon level, then it can't be consistent and retains high variance and so is therefore very casual by nature. When someone does get an opening hand Sol Ring when playing casual precons we are usually excited for them. And when its you, its like wining the opening hand lottery lol.
@prestonbeaulieu4379
2 сағат бұрын
The format would be better without sol ring. I will die on this hill
@cherry9787
Сағат бұрын
Nooooo but my $650 judge Sol Ring will drop on priiiiiiice
@thembosupremepizza1827
37 минут бұрын
50 is too much??? then why not reprint the staplest staple card for edh, doubling season
@crushermjm
Сағат бұрын
the crabs werent on screen 100% of the time during the crabdate. unsubbed, disliked, and will stop pressing copy link on every one of your videos that I watch, which I will no longer do. good day, sir, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@Donaldsangry
3 сағат бұрын
11:13 aren't the sets on a 2 year window? Even if it was only a year Commander Master's was last summer and this ban was possibly floated around that time it woukd of been a year befofe that when Lotus was picked to be in the set.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Oh yeah, I'm not sure I believe the theory at all. As I said in the video, I'm more relaying the general feelings and speculation within the community, to point out how that doesn't breed a healthy relationship with the game
@Donaldsangry
2 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames misheard, honestly this has been a giant shitshow over the past few weeks.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
@@Donaldsangry It's been a bad time for sure. I really feel for those affected
@FirstNameLastName-gh9iw
4 сағат бұрын
I know everyone was freaking out about the (reasonable) bans. But now this community run format is in the hands of wizard
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
I'm working on a followup to this right now talking about exactly that and... I don't think it's a good thing
@CarbonBallas
56 минут бұрын
I love Sol Ring
@patcanny7457
4 сағат бұрын
Good video
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
Good comment, thank you
@tomhowell8398
3 сағат бұрын
I think this happened in part because under the hood, commander is fundamentally bad. Now, obviously the cards shouldn't have been printed, this wasn't the right way to address that problem, and the overreaction to that mismanagement was awful, but I think it got this bad because the format's dysfunctional on a conceptual level. You have a 100 card singleton deck, but that extra variance is balanced by always having access to your commander. But just in case, here's a free mulligan. And a draw on the first turn. And completely ubiquitous fixing. And every tutor in the game is legal except for Golos, Primeval Titan, and Tinker. Is it meant to be extra-consistent, or extra-varied? Speaking of those cards that aren't banned, part of the reason for that is the ban list is apparently only intended as an example of the kind of things that we shouldn't play, not a functional ban list at all. Unfortunately, there's no clear and consistent logic on display. If there was, it would still be easier to remember a longer list than it is to read, internalize, extrapolate, and reach a group consensus from the explanations of why each individual card was banned, but we can't even do that, because Thassa's Oracle is legal, Coalition Victory isn't, and the very first card on the list, Ancestral Recall, tells you that they only banned it for optics as if it wasn't arguably the strongest card ever printed. So people are left to treat the banned list as a banned list after all, except no they're not, because if you do that you end up with the opposite of all the goals laid out in the "philosophy of commander" article and the reasons most people play it in the first place: CEDH, a style of play so different that it's arguably a second format. That leaves us with an accessible, casual format with about the same card pool as Legacy, so you can buy more wins until your friend group falls out. This is referred to as "self regulating" and its frequently cited as a reason cards are actually fine. After all, they can't ruin the game if they already did and nobody wants to play. But we shouldn't worry about buying wins, because it's a social format! That's why interacting too much with other players is sternly discouraged, the cards everybody's' decks are built around just come back anyway so it's a bit pointless to try, there's no reward for being the one to move the game forward, there's kingmaking, there's player elimination (losing your commander would feel bad, but straight up dying is fine), and, as mentioned above, there's mismatched power levels only kept in check by disapproval. You know, social things. With your friends. We want long games where we can play pet cards and overcosted jank, so there's 40 life. But we're eliminating people, so it looks like somebody's going to have sit out for a long time playing nothing at all. But maybe not! 3 opponents with double life only means "long game" if everyone's politely trying to pretend that it does. 40 life with low interaction means ramp, combo, and stax are the only valid strategies. The first circumvents the life barrier, the second quickly overcomes it, and the third is mostly disallowed by community consensus and should probably lead to early concessions anyway, so in practice the very thing slowing commander down is speeding it up. The format is a bottomless well of paradoxes that players are asked to figure out in a "pre game conversation". I've heard people talk as if disliking this idea is somehow immature or anti-social, but you know what? I think I want my pre-game conversations to be about anything other than all the things I don't want my friends to do, or figuring out if we're even trying to play the same game. I like talking with people. I don't like needing to talk about that. If people want to customize commander to suit their group, wonderful. They shouldn't have to finish making it, though. That defeats the point in a format. As it is, we don't even have that: I think commander is not only supplied incomplete, it's impossible to complete. The widely accepted rules provided to us have irresolvable conflicts baked into them. None of this is to say that it's not fun, but put me in a room with three people I already get along with and we'll have fun with an empty bag of crisps, so what's even the point?
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
I think I basically agree with everything you said. And that's why, to me it felt more like these bans were for WotC than the players. The RC said they wanted to send a message, I believe to WotC letting them know to cool it on the power creep, but it had knock on effects to the player base and here we are
@MihaelGeng
4 сағат бұрын
As always: RC was right to ban these cards, but they weren't right to not ban enough of them. The "setting an example" principal (RC's own words) isn't good for a ban list. Imagine the DCI only banning 1 of the 5-card artifact land cycle in Modern, or only 1 of the 5-card fetchland cycle in Pioneer, because they just wanna "set an example"...That would be plain stupid, right? 😅 Also regarding this event, RC purely did this to themselves. Throughout the history, RC always emphasizes that they'll never ban a card for its power level. Power 8/9 were banned for their inaccessibility (i.e. price tag); Primeval Titan is banned for RC's hatred towards utility land tutors 'cause people don't tend to run land distructions; ...O...K? And Sylvan Primordial is banned for...being too strong? Wait, did I forget to tell you about RC's horrendous double standards? Actually, most cards were indeed banned for "being too strong". But at least they're either niche, or agreed upon that they're truly problematic. These 3 recent cards are not. RC's given no warning. Players (that somehow give a crap about the "official" rules rather than Rule 0, i.e. house rules) have been sneak attacked. To some of them, this was like...Pearl Harbor? 🤔 Aaaalso, if you had no idea, RC has already been sharing their power with WotC for a long time. RC has a "branch" that's called "Advisor Council" or sth, which consists of non-RC members, with its role of giving advice to RC about the rule change. And within it there's at least one WotC employee. You'll look like a fool if you think RC's been treating that employee just the same as an average fan. 🤷♂
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
I agree they should have gone further if they wanted to really send a message. I suppose they thought this was being gentle or taking the soft approach? I think had they given some warning it wouldn't have been such a bad situation. But I do think they were right to be "setting an example" because honestly I think the power creep is getting a bit much. Just a shame I think that example is now going to be forgotten under WotC (or at least I expect it will be)
@MihaelGeng
2 сағат бұрын
@@RedBobcatGames Well, if the format's power level is too high, then it's precisely when setting an example won't be enough, right? Don't just cherry pick "the most troublesome" ones - if a card is problematic, then just ban it. Otherwise, just don't. As a healthy ban list should do! Sol Ring is exactly a 1 mana more expansive Mana Crypt. It's even more powerful than the original moxes in the long run. It's totally in the same package of Mana Crypt. But alas, banning it not only means a U-turn on the strategy level for the company, but also a clear and formal apology that says "we f__ed up from the very beginning". So I thought before and I think still that we'll need a miracle for Sol Ring to be banned.
@casteanpreswyn7528
2 сағат бұрын
@RedBobcatGames so the narrative that these bans were out of nowhere is factually incorrect. Members of the CAG and RC had been openly talking about potentially banning all these cards for years now.
@blue-eyesdepresseddragon3753
3 сағат бұрын
Honestly, I don't get why Command Tower/Arcane signet should be banned. 9/10 they're just another land for me. I usually play 3 color commanders, so having the extra pieces of "your mana is the right color" is just too good for me. ...Though at the end of the day, the banlist doesn't matter to me, I just play in my personal pod with friends LMAO.
@RedBobcatGames
3 сағат бұрын
Yeah, to be honest I expect kitchen table rules is the future. WotC staff have stated in the past that Arcane Signet at least was a design mistake, so I could see an argument for it's banning but yeah, will that ever happen now? Probably not so either way what's done is done, you know?
@robertterrell7057
3 сағат бұрын
13:00 if the RC said "We don't think anyone would actually listen to us" I would get that. Honestly I think that is a dangerous situation to be in
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
Seemingly so, yeah
@tzarius78
2 сағат бұрын
To be hones the rocks were not a big deal. That is 2 cards pur of 30 other broken cards in your deck. There was also ways to deal with them when needed.
@RedBobcatGames
2 сағат бұрын
True, but like the RC said they banned them to make a statement. I think these bannings were more for WotC than the players really
@gfortunate8650
5 сағат бұрын
#BanSolRing
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
Preach!
@miyokohirosuke9164
Сағат бұрын
Oh No something bad happened without warning or heads up and people are angry! Gasp! Why are people surprised at this? Seriously. Also, this argument that arcane signet and command tower is boring, is just asinine. Complete brain rot think. Your travelers Amulet statement makes me think your just slightly out of touch or not understanding well enough.. Here is why. IT CAN GO IN 'almost' EVERYDECK. You said it wouldnt, it can, and in most respects should if other fast color mana ramp goes the way of the dodo. The amount of decks it shouldnt go are higher end 5 color an possible 4 color decks. Those tend to have a ton of non basic lands to help with their mana fixing, with only 4-5 basics in total if that for the occasional Path or Settle to not feel bad.
@Cassapphic
4 сағат бұрын
I have maybe a naieve hope that wotc taking control is actually the only way sol ring gets banned. Because now they can decide "sol ring will get banned on this date" and make the pre cons later down the production line to not have sol rings in them, whereas with the RC, it means that for the next 6 month tineline of production, prr cons will still have sol rings in them.
@RedBobcatGames
4 сағат бұрын
So WotC have come out and basically restated that they won't ban sol ring, and I'm currently working on a follow up to this video which is in essence a long rant on why them being in control is concerning. Good times! haha
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