One thing that was great about these mirror universe episodes was seeing an original Constitution class starship in space battles that just couldn’t be done during TOS.
@dirdib69
6 ай бұрын
Phlox's casual comments about comparing literature actually said a lot. The character of the Mirror universe was dark long before the events of First Contact.
@corylang
11 ай бұрын
"Target destroyed." Oh he enjoyed saying that.
@gabelogan5877
11 ай бұрын
What sucks most about Enterprise cancellation is that Manny Coto planned on having the Terran Empire tales as an ongoing part of the series. I would really like a limited series with Empress Soto
@LGranthamsHeir
11 ай бұрын
I think Empress Sato would be more cunning and evil than Emperor Georgiou 😉
@DisaStar258
9 ай бұрын
Yeah ain't! I can't stand it when people dunk on the mirror universe. If it were up to me, I'd make entire series in the mirror universe. Just imagine the stories to be told!
@DominicSantana-jc9zp
8 ай бұрын
@@DisaStar258I’m working on one bro
@DaleRoberts-xm8ye
5 ай бұрын
Definitely should have had more of Empress Hoshi Sato.
@DavidNicholson101
2 ай бұрын
@@DisaStar258Fortunately we got a little of that from Vic and crew of STC.
@KneelB4Bacon
3 ай бұрын
The reason why this Constitution class ship is kicking so much ass here, is because it's about 100 years more advanced than the ships it's fighting. This is the same Defiant that went missing in the original Star Trek TOS episode "The Tholian Web" from the "regular" universe.
@LGranthamsHeir
11 ай бұрын
2:37 - 2:51 I suppose this was the last straw for Mirror T'Pol before she swiches sides 😄
@JRGProjects
9 ай бұрын
That warp flyby was awesome and it flies straight! God we need a TOS CGI overhaul already.
@tommargarites2811
6 ай бұрын
Already done.
@AlfaPro1337
5 ай бұрын
There's TOR, The Original Remastered
@DavidNicholson101
2 ай бұрын
@@AlfaPro1337But not like this. Honestly, they made the original Connie look so good here that as a fan I wish they would have stayed with it for Discovery. Alex Kurtzman doesn’t really care about Star Trek otherwise he would have brought ToS Enterprise to new heights of popularity. The only reason I continue to watch is because I don’t want CBS to shut down Neutral Zone Studios because they’ve helped keep ToS alive.
@-M0LE
11 ай бұрын
Scott Bakula was on fire in these episodes we needed to see more evil Archer Hoshi still gets me all hot ❤
@DavidNicholson101
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, she’s totally gorgeous😍.
@foxmulder4041
7 ай бұрын
2:01 RIP Gary Graham (Soval)
@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
11 ай бұрын
The Terran Empire had skimpier unforms than the United Federation of Planets. 😂
@Nmagg1776
9 ай бұрын
This ship looked great with modern graphics
@Kielimies
7 ай бұрын
The Shakespeare reference is a nod to Diane Duane's TNG novel "Dark Mirror".
@bhbluebird
8 ай бұрын
Mirror Universe episodes were always fun.
@centurion2275
8 ай бұрын
T'Pol. In that dress though...
@mkshffr4936
4 ай бұрын
The long hair suits her.
@LGranthamsHeir
11 ай бұрын
2:34 - 2:36 Mirror Hoshi is really one of a Ho 😊
@andrewblanchard2398
11 ай бұрын
yep
@JB-pk3bz
11 ай бұрын
The "counterparts are weak" they said. And then the Defiant, built by weak counterparts, blows the rebels out of the sky.
@michaelkovacic2608
11 ай бұрын
Well, you can be politically weak but technologically strong at the same time.
@thestanleys3657
11 ай бұрын
The defiant is not only from a parallel universe but from about 100yrs in the future got more advanced tech
@joeswanson733
11 ай бұрын
f@@thestanleys3657 from what i can see is that the mirror terrans even thoguh they ransacked the vulcan tech during first contact dont' seem to be that much more advanced than the prime timeline enterprise era ships. of course the mirror universe has more nx class ships than the prime universe as more likely than not they have a larger military budget and earlier headstart but technology wise seen here... there's not much difference. as scotty said in mirror mirror minor variation in instrumentation.
@thestanleys3657
11 ай бұрын
@@joeswanson733 I would say the Terran Nx-class is superior to Starfleet's version (perhaps not by miles). I'd assume the Terran empire tech level is an amalgamation of whatever they're able to capture from the Vulcans Andorians and Tellerites(possibly others as well) Vulcans and Andorians in particular are stated multiple times to have significantly better tech eg warp 7 engine from the Vulcans. The Terrans probably spent several decades after "first contact" learning/recreating the Vulcan tech(it would be significantly better than the Phoenix)and colonizing/conquering the solar system & nearby systems before starting a full scale war on multiple adversaries
@joeswanson733
11 ай бұрын
@@thestanleys3657 if that was the case mirror tucker wouldn't have been impressed with the defiants warp coil size with that line saying I bet that ship can do warp 7. If the terrain Starfleets has that kind of tech tucker would have been like pfff warp 7 we already got that. Or that the prime timeline tucker said Vulcan ships can only 6.50 when they visited coridan
@laurencewinch-furness9450
8 ай бұрын
Phlox saying Shakespeare was equally grim in both universes is interesting. Most of Shakespeare's contemporary writers were just as dark if not darker. This would suggest that the alternate universe is actually our own universe!
@TwilightNoirZ26
6 ай бұрын
As for the changes they happened after their world war 3.
@jaybee2402
6 ай бұрын
Cool theory bro!
@beerrox711
5 ай бұрын
Lol Space Force set us on that path
@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe
5 ай бұрын
@@jaybee2402 Sadly false. In the Star Trek Mirror Universe the Nazis won WW2. That's the whole point of the mirror universe episodes since Gene wrote them in TOS. They founded the Terran Empire. You can see it, as the Moon landing happened with the Terran flag in the intro, and even in the TOS Terran scenes they use a variation of the Nazi hand signs. Not mention the racial ideologies.
@tetravega567
4 ай бұрын
@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe The "Nazi salute" actually originates from ancient Rome. Americans & their school children actually used to have to salute the American flag the same way.
@michaelkovacic2608
11 ай бұрын
Long live the Terran Empire!
@LGranthamsHeir
11 ай бұрын
Long live Empress Sato! Long live the Empire@!!
@peaveyst7
4 ай бұрын
Remember. A SAFE GALAXY IS A HUMAN GALAXY!!!
@DavidNicholson101
2 ай бұрын
The Connie looked really good in this episode. They didn’t need to do any updates at all.
@abooga8
5 ай бұрын
Wow sato and t'pol were real hotties in this episode
@christopherkraft1327
11 ай бұрын
Interesting episode!! 🖖🖖
@subject_7
11 ай бұрын
It seems like Starfleet only saves the designation DEFIANT for one warship in a fleet class
@TomLuTon
7 ай бұрын
1:27 you can see where the prosthetics are glued to Billingsley's cheek
@seanwolslau-holdren6731
Ай бұрын
The one thing I like about "Enterprise" is they use actual dates which makes more sense than stardates.
@TTony-tu6dm
3 ай бұрын
Fun trivia - the fan film production of Trek Phase Two in Port Henry, New York built sets of the original Enterprise bridge. This show actually borrowed those sets to film these scenes
@DavidNicholson101
2 ай бұрын
Really??? Dang, just imagine CBS approaching Neutral Zone Studios and doing that. They’d be fist pumping the air with glee and I would too. Instead, we got Alex Kurtzman shenanigans.
@-M0LE
11 ай бұрын
We can still get the last three seasons of ENTERPRISE all the cast are still alive and the aging would be easily explained in fact it could make a good opening story
@marcusjustice6165
9 ай бұрын
They could also do Star Trek:Enterprise: The Animated Series TAS if needed.
@petermason1185
4 ай бұрын
In the mirror universe, the bad guys win.
@AnasTrek
11 ай бұрын
Good video. 🙂👍
@alwynjaegar1778
7 ай бұрын
Gottttttt damn T'pol is fine as hell!!!😊
@skyborne80
9 ай бұрын
T'Pol should have had a goatee too!
@Slopmaster
9 күн бұрын
Maybe she did, just not where you would expect 😜
@kerryedavis
6 ай бұрын
Hmm but the Vulcan ships were more advanced than human ships at that time, likely the Vulcan ship would have been a match for the Defiant. Although they would have been surprised, and perhaps had previous damage too.
@motcroquet8871
4 ай бұрын
100 years 😅
@kerryedavis
4 ай бұрын
@@motcroquet8871 They said more like 75, as I recall. Meanwhile, remember that the Constitution class ships had a "cruising speed" of Warp 6, while we're told in the Enterprise series itself that the newer Vulcan ships cruised at Warp 7. It seems pretty clear that the element of surprise was likely decisive that first encounter. But there was only one Defiant, and two or three Vulcan ships would have made short work of it. Even if the Vulcan ships were not superior. They were at least more or less equal. And they had numbers.
@WaveForceful
3 ай бұрын
There is a 100 year gap of technology. The mirror universe NX class seems vastly superior to the prime counterpart. The first time we see the avenger it is fending off firepower from all the regions heavy hitters, 2 Kumari class cruisers, a tellarite ship and a Vulcan cruiser and its hull plating was still at 32% by the time the defiant arrived. In the mirror universe the Terran empire managed to conquer both andoria and Vulcan so empire would need these NX class ships to be at least scalable to the best Vulcan and Andorian ships and have many of them. In the mirror universe humans aggressively stole technology while in the prime universe Vulcans aggressively held us back.
@kerryedavis
3 ай бұрын
@@WaveForceful well one part of the mirror theory would be that they CAN'T be significantly more advanced. Plus hull plating could never be all that effective compared to deflector shields like Defiant had.
@davemiller6055
3 ай бұрын
@@kerryedavis The Enterprise went faster than Warp 6 on many occasions.
@timesthree5757
3 ай бұрын
All Hail the Empire!!!
@ericmorang3903
3 ай бұрын
All hail Empress Hoshi Sato!
@howardrice9527
8 ай бұрын
Very Nice!!! Good job>
@mnaglich
6 ай бұрын
It really makes no sense that there are so many aliens in the terran Starfleet, especially at this point. How big is Starfleet here... 50K people? Earth alone couldn't staff that? Still and AWESOME episode either way :)
@davemiller6055
3 ай бұрын
T'pol looks 100 times better in long hair.
@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain
11 ай бұрын
Perhaps you’d like to see the defiant yourself. It’s a much better ship to die on.
@DEC19775
11 ай бұрын
What’s the connection to quantum leap
@LGranthamsHeir
11 ай бұрын
And so Jonathan Archer finds himself leaping from universe to universe, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap...will be the leap home! 😉😊
@shanenway2647
11 ай бұрын
Hop skip and a jump ?
@-M0LE
11 ай бұрын
Holly Hop Drive
@DEC19775
11 ай бұрын
@@-M0LE no
@JohnnyFontane528
11 ай бұрын
The connection is that Bob Cope served as key grip on both shows
@4Legacy
11 ай бұрын
2:09 is that a hint of the Voyager theme? I haven't watched Enterprise at all yet, so for all I know they may use the other music regularly. But, I thought it was worth mentioning
@tedgruver7618
Ай бұрын
2:44-2:45-2:46-2:47
@andrewblanchard2398
10 ай бұрын
this episode proves KURTZMAN DREK ISN'T CANON
@DarkLexus542
11 ай бұрын
Imagine if they had the enterprise f lol
@alwynjaegar1778
7 ай бұрын
T'pol tho 🥵🥵🥵
@viceroy7792
4 ай бұрын
I hated this series - but this was an AWESOME episode. By far the best one they did., And the twist at the end was the best part!!
@misterlau5246
9 ай бұрын
Niiice👋
@bjornjoseph
11 ай бұрын
why are there even aliens in the terran fleet? they hated aliens and conquered them... not place them in positions of power.. i get it was for the show to show the regular cast, but yeah that makes no sense. wouldve been better to show them on the opposing side
@ensignmjs7058
9 ай бұрын
They were conquered and then conscripted. Forced into service.
@ihateeveryoneofyou
8 ай бұрын
It makes perfect sense. Conquered people would be forced to serve their conquerors
@Prizrak-hv6qk
3 ай бұрын
When the Nazis were deep into losing WW2, they greatly "relaxed" their stances on the gentile "untermenschen" when it came to military service, giving high ranks to and forming entire divisions out of Slavs, Muslims and other people who were previously only good for slavery, if not for extermination. Seems like the Terran Empire was in a similar position... running out of "good Terrans" thanks to fighting with half the quadrant and filling the gaps with "inferiors".
@xyeahtony1
7 ай бұрын
people worship TOS but ill take modern CGI constitution space battles anyday
@DavidNicholson101
2 ай бұрын
They made the Connie look really good here.
@avada0
4 ай бұрын
A titanic waste of limited episodes part 2... How I hated that they chose to waste two episodes on the mirror universe instead of a proper farevell for the series. Plus we got a heap of dung final episode.
@ziraprod6090
9 ай бұрын
It is like a bunch of democrats.
@user-eg9bi4wx9j
8 ай бұрын
xDD
@noggin6870
7 ай бұрын
The mirror universe is literally based on conservative politics taken to the extreme.
@richardthomas5362
6 ай бұрын
@@noggin6870 That means it is a total misunderstanding of conservative politics.
@noggin6870
6 ай бұрын
@@richardthomas5362 individualism over collectivism is a key tenet of conservative politics, and it's also the basis of the mirror universe.
@richardthomas5362
6 ай бұрын
@@noggin6870 Not quite. The Terran Empire is apparently Fascist or National Socialist, where individual freedoms don't matter and everyone needs to submit to the state for the "glory of the Empire". The "individualism" we see on screen are the top of the empire's pecking order, the military leadership, who are using whatever means are possible to become the leader or emperor. Essentially an Empire subordinating the individuals of the empire to the will of the one individual at the top. Conservative politics, real conservative politics (rather than conservative politics as defined by corrupt politicians like Romney, McConnel, McCain, Bush, etc) glorifies the individual over the state, so the state is a collection of individuals respecting each others rights. Hence a very limited government.
@lambertj.2892
8 ай бұрын
Everyone is so angry and crass. Like that's how you're supposed to be in an alternate universe. Poor writing.
@WaveForceful
7 ай бұрын
They are supposed to be portraying Humans as a bunch of cruel, bloodthirsty warriors in the mirror universe.
@SargonTheGrape
7 ай бұрын
Well the aliens have been under Terran rule for awhile, so they'd naturally be a lot more hostile than we're used to. And Discovery later confirmed that the Terrans are, in fact, a different species to humans, and apparently them being complete assholes is coded into them on a genetic level.
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