Any guesses on how long until someone comments proving they don't listen to what I actually say?
@Dargor110
Ай бұрын
15 minutes
@E6hosting
Ай бұрын
I haven't watched, I think they broke the hate cycle with civ 5 & 6 I hate both of them and I probably won't buy civ 7 either. I probably need to give civ 3 another chance as I always disliked the odd numbers.
@nessunonessun1
Ай бұрын
First 😂 DLC sucks 🤣
@guyburgess7832
Ай бұрын
Your reason and logic have no place here! I've often found that people struggle to differentiate between objective and subjective i.e. because I don't like mechanic X it is inherently bad. There's also people who will complain no matter what because they enjoy it for its own sake, as you said.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Update, it took 56 minutes.
@samhattangady
Ай бұрын
If Civ reaches version 104, will that be called CIV CIV?
@TheBathrobeWizard
Ай бұрын
🎶In the Year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive they will find🎶
@earlofdoncaster5018
Ай бұрын
And that's Bon-Mot of the month.
@LuisMagnani
Ай бұрын
Yes
@adhyperdad3027
Ай бұрын
That'll be the final civ game
@earlofdoncaster5018
Ай бұрын
@@adhyperdad3027 Hate it already.
@kevinkabali7201
Ай бұрын
oh that reminds me of an old newspaper article. The new Star Trek was not in the Spirit of Roddenberry, the actors were unlikable, and the stories were bad. The new ship was ugly. No Real Trek and so on. It was about Star Trek, the next generation.
@krinagargamer8646
Ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. This has a Star Trek hate kind of feel. It happened to Next Gen , then to Each show after up to Discovery. Civ gets the same hate as history repeats itself. I have loved Civ from Civ 1 until now. Each game changes the game play and makes it a new experience. Haters just love to hate.
@Mordred86
Ай бұрын
this times 1000! Its a revolving cycle of nostalgia that is just so tiresome and pointless.
@waltblackadar4690
Ай бұрын
Very good comparison.
@MysteriousMrL
Ай бұрын
TNG is also a really apt comparison because while the potential was there from the beginning it did take some time for it to find its footing and become the truly great show it ended up being known as. But it could have just stopped at season 1 if the complaints won out.
@oufukubinta
Ай бұрын
A more accurate example would be old Star Trek (TOS and TNG) vs. new Star Trek because at least the early sequels had some spiritual resemblance to the original but the newer series are all dark, depressing and everyone's backstabbing everyone like a space drama. The IP owners have unfortunately moved away from the theme of the old Trek which was about exploration and building bridges and now it's all about conflict. I see Civ 7 as having very little to do with the Civs before it in terms of the gameplay. Civ VI was unpopular at launch due to the cartoony look and a lack of content but eventually those issues were fixed and now VI is the best Civ but with the mechanics being so different this time around I don't see how they could fix it later on
@MrGunnar69
Ай бұрын
This can be seen everywhere, not just in games. I worked with the world's youngest grumpy old man, he had just turned 21. Everything new is bad just because it's new. The opposite also exists, where everything new is good just because it is new.
@zolobataricus
Ай бұрын
I don't know if the past was better, but it's definitely worse now. 😜
@soapgaming4903
Ай бұрын
@@zolobataricusabsolutely not lol. Past was way worse
@JackPorter
Ай бұрын
@@zolobataricus what's that even mean, lmao. how can it be worse now, but not better before?
@JackPorter
Ай бұрын
@@soapgaming4903 "The opposite also exists, where everything new is good just because it is new." i found the guy he was talking about!
@JackPorter
Ай бұрын
it wouldn't be so bad if it didn't happen so damn often, i have a laundry list of examples. tech, definitely newer is better 99% of the time, there's OS issues and dumb shit i shouldn't have to deal with, but overall it's much better than it was. But i own so much China disposable crap, things were built to last, stuff like that and furniture was definitely better than the IKEA cardboard table you get now. the past definitely had a ton of upsides that people disregard because it's old. Games specifically keep getting dumbed down, that's my biggest gripe. Sims 4 is proof that endless expansions don't fix a fundamentally flawed game. Duke Nukem Forever, might be graphically better but an infinitely worse game than the old ones. Just recently i started playing the original XCOM games, and it's just so much better than any of the new stuff. Many games that come out now are just a churning mill of corporate trash, no soul. Mass Effect Andromeda, Halo, Saints Row 4, GTA:DE. Also was looking at Farcette, the indie games just get full of Discord wierdos that have to plug a self-insert in, make a kawaii character and a demon girl that completely betrays its artistic direction. It's Fallout: The frontier all over again. i'm just done with it all, watching everything i love get a bat to the knees, crippled by the modern style. but i'm sure in 20 years we'll have moved on, it's all just gonna blow over.
@earlofdoncaster5018
Ай бұрын
I suspect that players of IV are way higher than the Steam numbers, because most people who bought IV didn't buy the Steam version.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Yes, we can't get accurate numbers for 4 or 3 also because they're on GOG or because they have old CDs.
@Somebody374-bv8cd
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh For me I play games on GoG if its available there generally. I don't play songs of conquest/majesty/dungeon keeper/etc on steam, I only play those on GoG for example.
@earlofdoncaster5018
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh Yeah, but as a IV partisan I don't care about III :)
@vincentd.2284
Ай бұрын
Civ IV remains the best. The only bad one is 6.
@badass6300
Ай бұрын
@@vincentd.2284 I'd say the only not so good one is Beyond Earth. And I started with Civ4, I still think Civ6 is the best, and tied as my favorite with 4.
@brigbrizz
Ай бұрын
I feel like I see this a lot with many franchises, and not just with games but with movies and TV as well. I'm cautiously optimistic with Civ 7, but also realize it probably won't be super good until it's "complete" (patches + DLC) like you mention. Thanks for putting this together Zakh!
@Unconsciouzone
Ай бұрын
Heh. i just commented something very similar before reading this. The Sims community is the poster child for this topic.
@michaelharder3055
Ай бұрын
I played Civ 1 and was blown away. Since then I've played and enjoyed Civ 2-6. I'm pretty sure Civ 7 will be a good game.
@blockmasterscott
25 күн бұрын
Same here, I've enjoyed them all.
@MahDryBread
Ай бұрын
God I love that image at the start so much. I've been super into Civ since a while before 5 came out so I've gotten to watch the cycle happen in just a couple rotations, but it's evergreen. It happens every time. It's like it's simply inevitable.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
The funniest thing is how they're now on this video. Comments blatantly proven wrong in the video they're commenting on lol.
@MahDryBread
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh We've never been able to reason with the "Every new Civ game is bad until it's not new anymore" crowd, I doubt we're suddenly gonna be able to now Also, MAN I forgot about Trespasser! I love the concept of that game but it was so brutal to play. I bet you anything that an awesome remake could be made of that game one day.
@ingvarsilow9430
Ай бұрын
Civ VIII is the worst game ever!!!!!
@alexlewis5365
Ай бұрын
Nah Civ X is the worst game ever. It all went downhill when they started adding lunar and Mars colonies in the late game.
@DaleWrecker
Ай бұрын
if only. My biggest wish for civ is they start progressing further into the future. As far as I know we're still stuck in the current era post space race. Call to power had space and underwater layers 20 years ago. Is it that far out of the game's objective to go for a small bit of science fiction at the end?
@DaleWrecker
Ай бұрын
@@alexlewis5365 If only. My biggest wish for civ is for them to go just a bit past the modern contemporary age. Call to power had space and underwater layers 20 years ago.
@blueskull6789
Ай бұрын
But Civ VIII will make Civ VII seem better than it was/is
@TheRobinCox
Ай бұрын
@@ingvarsilow9430 hahaha! Good one! 🤣
@glenndiddy
Ай бұрын
I'm honestly just waiting for the Civ IV retrospective. I enjoyed the first 3 so I'm wondering if my nostalgia about Civ IV even holds up today
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
I plan to do that next, just need to find time to actually play it.
@MyHydralisk
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh You will be surprised, just how goood it feels. Also, graphics is somewhat painful - so I would rather have CivIV remaster than CivVII :D:D:D
@McHobotheBobo
Ай бұрын
The modding scene for Civ4 is the best to this day
@ICOROVER
Ай бұрын
@@McHobotheBobo It's really massive
@d.veloso9640
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh Please try Alpha Centauri at some point!
@jerrykirchoff8412
Ай бұрын
When Pharaoh came out in 1999, it was my first city builder.I can't tell you how much I played that game. Fast forward to PANE. I waited till most of the bugs were fixed. I am now playing the second to last campaign of the game. I like it a lot. I like the changes they have made. However, I prefer the OG. I wish someone would do to the OG like the Auguustus re-work for Cesaer 3.. It never crossed my mind to spew vitriol because I didn't get my way. I could talk on the psychology of severely critical people. Suffice it to say, it is a learned behavior. Thanks, Zakh as always very professional.
@j.w.5510
Ай бұрын
My problem is; The microtransactions (seems like it's gonna go heavy compared to 6). The Game won't be good until a few expansions roll out (or complete feeling). Leader system is odd as hell, it's like they're going for Humankind 2 more than a Civ sequel (I strongly disliked Humankind for the leader change). The boardgame-esque artstyle, I hate so much. Like the units being showed on a plaque and the strong crisp hexagon colors and the fog of war tiles being super crisp. My background; I got Civ 4 when I was in middle school and I was really confused about the game so I never got into it. I got Civ 5 and somehow it clicked to me unlike 4 and I played like 200+ hours. When I saw 6 come out, I didn't hate on it and I got it day 1 and I also got like ~150+ hours into it. Right now I prefer 6 due to the enhanced city building mechanics (I love city builders games as well) and my only gripe is non-buildable roads that are done via trade routes but mods fixed that. I've yet to hate 4, 5 and 6 but there is something off about 7.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
See these are reasonable things to be concerned about.
@bricktastic-acular1298
Ай бұрын
Civ 7 will fail because it's not a Sid Meier's Pirates 2
@ozisponas1593
Ай бұрын
Civ 7 for me looks way better then civ 6 simply due to more realistic art style. The humankind approach of swapping civs between 3 ages could make it more interesting for MP games but i can see why people are disappointed about immersion breaking in SP games. But i think if its implemented well it would be a positive for the game. We just have to see until game release
@DuoMaxwellDS
Ай бұрын
There is a reason barely anyone playing Humankind. Heck, even youtubers who previously praised Humankind don't do content about it anymore. It's fair to say people are very cautious about the Civ7 direction after experience the whole culture switching in Humankind.
@marekkos3513
Ай бұрын
@@DuoMaxwellDS because Humankind is not that popular , doesnt mean CIV7 will also be.Its all about commercial and marketing.Humankind wa a test with switching civilization.Civ7 will grow this future , and add much more and better
@ozisponas1593
Ай бұрын
@@DuoMaxwellDS the reason for humankind not being played I believe is more balance related not just because of immersion break at least thats why our group of friends stopped playing it. The balance is very poor in it due to how FINSI resources work you can just stack bonuses to create ridiculous amounts of industry and science and just run away with the game. And you can do it by simply being first to select the op industrial civs. After basically second age the game is unbalanced mess is the problem.
@ozisponas1593
Ай бұрын
However I will note that there was a much smarter way to approach civs changing between ages. For example they could have made instead that the civ evolves esthetically over the ages depending on your choices but stays the same civ. Or they could have went for something easy like . Say you start with Slav civ and you get a choice in second age to for example evolve into Poland, Kievan Rus, Chechs etc. More historical immersion this way and doesn't break the roots of the civ you picked.
@TheAnscarii
Ай бұрын
Well... Playing usa civ in the ancient era is even more breaking inmersión for me. Its a 200 year old civilización actually. I really dont aew the problem if its done well
@Kuddochan
Ай бұрын
It's certainly been very cyclical in this regard. Ironically despite this, Civ V is probably the only one that genuinely had a really bad launch despite being arguably the most praised one in its final state. But in general I think it's a combination of Civ games having so much post-launch content that whenever a new entry's 1.0 vanilla comes out it ends up feeling a bit shallow compared to what you just played and it'll take a bit of time before it catches up, and then also people simply being too nostalgic and unwilling to adapt to new ideas. But there's no point if a new Civ entry is just the same as the last one but better, in that case they could've just kept updating the last one. It has to be adding its own new ideas and people have to give it the chance to show what it can do. There's been some radical changes for Civ 7, just like there has been for previous entries, and that's okay. Will it be perfect on launch? Probably not, but given Firaxis' history with the franchise, I still feel confident that they'll make their new concepts and ideas work sooner or later and that it'll be another great game once everything is in place.
@bushmonster1702
Ай бұрын
CIV 5 was so bare bones on release. No religion and no trading just to name two.
@McHobotheBobo
Ай бұрын
Civ6 peak players on Steam is just under twice that of Civ5, make of that what you will.
@LazyLifeIFreak
Ай бұрын
The hate has nothing to do with any Civilization game, the game is simply serving as both a vessel and target for these peoples need to hate on something, anything. Something in these peoples private lives are causing them to lash out against the game(divorce, loss of employment, societal changes, religion, mental issues- the list is long) and the people who enjoy playing it, the hate for the game is only a facade to mask the issues in their own private lives. It certainly does not help many of these people are drive-by commentator without any actual investment in the discussion, some of the comments are also made by throw-away alt-accounts used to gaslight and "persuade" others they are wrong in a "discussion".
@hungrymusicwolf
Ай бұрын
It's sad because the people with legitimate gripes about the game are drowned out by hate noise.
@antoinehenderson1659
Ай бұрын
So many people just have an axe to grind. Like you said, it doesn't matter what the target is as long as they can grind that axe for eternity.
@StoicFlame
Ай бұрын
Zakh finally engaging in drama and dunking on haters, something i was begging him to do since 2017.
@OutsiderLabs
Ай бұрын
Not very Stoic of you
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
@@theboomerperspective2478Hey everyone look, here's one right now.
@GamerPhysics
Ай бұрын
Such an awesome video, and I've been thinking the same thing reading KZitem comments on *anything* posted about Civ 7. It was giving me flashbacks to when Civ 6 was announced and we were getting trailers and the comments were, 'it's too cartoony' or, 'these districts are too different, why are you changing things so much!' I said on a different video, maybe the devs want to try new things or they know that the market is changing and they aren't the only player in the space any more and are making decisions that reflect them. Maybe, just maybe, the people who spend their lives working on these games have some idea of what they are doing and are actually trying to make something fun and interesting and popular. Certainly not *guaranteed* to be successful, but I'm willing to hear them out (and buy it on discount).
@Scar626
Ай бұрын
Well, let this comment be one of those to break the hate cycle; I'm more excited for CIV7 than I was for CIV6, mainly because of the fact that you can now change your CIV throughout the ages (like it happened to many civilizations in real history). In fact, I love the style more, the new warfare system and everything else I've seen compared to what has come before. So much so that I was tempted to install CIV6 to quell hype for CIV7, but I realized it won't work, because CIV6 is too different. I'm hyped for a CIV that is so different from anything that came before. Hell, talking about the in-game models and their styles; the fact that I saw a Sherman and a T-37 on screen (different tank models for different nations) makes me want to put ever other game on the backburner for it (and by the way, not enough people gave props to the fact of all these different models, so much so that the devs might start thinking: "Hah, no one cares. Let us not waste time making all these different models if no one will even notice").
@waltblackadar4690
Ай бұрын
You and me both. I've preordered because (1) I've neve NOT played a Civ to death starting with #1; (2) I really like what I see and (3) I can always cancel it if I want. Nice catch on the tanks. I noticed the same thing.
@McHobotheBobo
Ай бұрын
Big agree, I was hype when I saw those T-series tanks!
@fjuuh
Ай бұрын
I am very excited to play a new CIV, one thing I really really dislike and hope they would change is the leaders screen having two leaders talking to each other, instead of them talking alone to me. Great video, on point about the doomsayers. Actual criticism might even change things for the better, but just saying "Well it is gonna always suck in any case" will never reach the devs.
@adhyperdad3027
Ай бұрын
I am honestly looking forward to how civ 7 is going to handle weather and climate that was added in Civ6. It added an interesting twist that can greatly change city location and resource management.
@oetgaol
Ай бұрын
In Dutch, we have the saying "Wat de boer niet kent dat vreet hij niet." Lit: "The farmer won't eat unknown food." It means people oppose/are resistant to things they are unfamiliar with because they are scared of the unknown. As for people thinking fondly of yesteryear's art it is a combination of people forming their likes and dislikes in their youth. Also we remember very selectively only the good things From the dozens of games I played only 10 or so stick in my mind. From the 10s of 1000s of songs produced in the 70s, 80s and 90s people regularly listen to a few dozen. Really go back to any hits list in a random week a couple of decades past and you probably won't even remember half of them. Even overview lists of the time have obscure entries (go back to the Oscar nominations and see how many films you watched. I do think that expansions also play a role in an overall sense of disappointment. It is very clear with paradox games for instance where some people expect the same number of mechanics, polish etc. From the new iteration of a game as the previous entry with a decade of development and literally dozens of expansions.
@unlinkingduck
Ай бұрын
Love this video! As someone who was excited back when Civ VI came out and is now excited all over again for Civ VII, it can be very disheartening to feel like everyone else hates it. Always nice to remember that the cycle truly is real
@Lerial-v8q
Ай бұрын
Thanks for trying. I am totally behind you. Hope you will survive your attempt to make people see reason. But we are talking about comments on the internet...
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
The main purpose isn't to convince the unreasonable people. It's to let the reasonable people know that the unreasonable people are being unreasonable, so it's easier for us all to dismiss and ignore them. Also, it's funny and cathartic how many comments on this video are proving "people don't listen to what I say" lol
@bolicob
Ай бұрын
Imo people who think there's no good games anymore have too niche of a taste. People will say they're a gamer and then only play one game lol. There are SO many good games coming out all the time, but most people only pay attention to the biggest AAA games for the one genre they play. That's part of the reason i like your upcoming games lists, you don't just cover the big budget games, you cover all of them and hopefully enlightening people with the diversity of games in the industry
@Kannen-hk1ls
Ай бұрын
Haters gonna hate, meanwhile I'm over here chilling and enjoyin' my games.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Maximising happiness, what a concept.
@Deszigames
Ай бұрын
I was one of the people complaining that new civ games sucked and I was actually shocked that you replied and then FOLLOWED up 😆 I didn't know that I was feeding into the meme. I think my preference are just niche and Firaxis is just appealing to the largest group possible. CIVIII is my favorite because of the massive amount of cities and empire building but the doomstacks, corruption, and amount of time it takes to finish a game make it unappealing to a large audience and they would be foolish to make a new CivIII that no one would buy except for diehards like me. Yes, I got called out but I was wrong, and I stuck around!
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Well you've been quite reasonable, so not as bad as the meme haha. You can see much more unreasonable people commenting on this video and I'm mostly talking about them.
@alexlewis5365
Ай бұрын
I'm cautiously optimistic about civ 7. I do like the ideas they presented during the demo. I feel those ideas should be explored at least once in the civ franchise. I just hope it doesn't suck, but at least for me personally, firaxis seems to be one of the last triple A companies left that actually cares about making good games (even if they do release too many dlc's and Beyond Earth).
@laylen245
Ай бұрын
How dare you try and take my HATE from me! its all i have left for this industry that has robbed me of my childhood and my whole adult life... LOL i never go in full hype for these games and i try not to watch many videos on them. that way if it is a gem that HYPE feeling is so much more
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
I would like to be a stealer of hate lol
@trdi
Ай бұрын
I don't go around and write hateful comments. With that said I will admit that my first thought when clicking on this video was: "DLC's..." and it was addressed as the first point. Then I thought that this is just pointless generalization as it's assuming that it's the same people criticizing different versions, while I think that people mostly have different preferences and different fav versions. And it was addressed right after that. And my next thought (there is legitimate objective or subjective criticism) was addressed afterwards. So while I admit it's funny that my points were addressed in the order of them happening, I do believe that all these and following "not talking about this" clarifications do substantially water down the "meme" and just how common it is. I believe that most of the comments that are attributed to the irrational haters actually fall under those aforementioned "exceptions". This is further emphasized by all the irrational lovers of the franchise (where you have irrational haters, you surely also have irrational lovers, right?), who would throw around accusations with a version of this meme at anybody who would dare to criticize anything about the new Civ version. Regarding the claims in this video, I agree with most of them, but I have reservations about the main one, which is being repeated in various forms throughout the whole video - how much more successful Civ 6 is compared to Civ 5. At the time of Civ 6 release date, the number of steam users was pretty much exactly 5 times higher than at the day of Civ 5 release. I would expect that even a game that is "less popular" would sell more copies and had more concurrent users, no matter how contradictory that might sound. For that reason especially the argument about "normal Civ 6 day has more users than peak Civ 5 day" seems invalid to me. Quite the contrary actually. The graph shown does show that Civ 5 was more liked and played, considering the 5x lower total user count. Furthermore, the fact that even today there are only 3 times more Civ 6 players than Civ 5 players in my opinion testifies about the greatness of the Civ 5. To add to this, one year prior to Civ 6 launch, there were 50 times (five zero) more Civ 5 players than there were Civ 4 players. The difference is obvious, 50x vs 3x. I guarantee you, that Firaxis is not happy about it. Not very relevant, but I will add some of my short thoughts about Civ franchise and the upcoming release. 1. I have purchased and played every Civ from Civ 1 till Civ 5. I have neither played nor purchased Civ 6. 2. I had two problems with Civ 6 (maybe I would have had more if I had played the game). The first one is graphics. The second one is what some people called "going woke", but I would call it "disneyfication" of the franchise. Playing it safe and in line with certain politically motivated ideologies. Slavery is bad so lets just pretend it never happened. No, thanks. I am not looking for historically most accurate game, but don't treat me like an idiot. 3. Civ 7 looks interesting to me and perhaps I shall return to the franchise, depending on what I see after the release. Most probably after the DLC, though, for obvious reasons. I like the graphics. I am concerned (but hopeful) for following points: - Age transitions, civ changing - being able to block leaders that I don't like (I want me and the AI to play with historic leaders that I know and respect) - need to see what the consequence of removal of builders are; I want to be able to build whatever I want wherever I want - how modable the game is
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
I did try to be comprehensive, I wanted to try squash as much of the repetitive comments as possible because I'm tired of replying the same thing again and again. For the success of Civ 6, remember my point is from the business perspective. For all practical reasons, Civ 6 is a massive success. Steam revenue for Civ 6 is estimated to be between 3-4 times more than Civ 5 not counting Civ 6 console sales. Player count is significantly higher and the only Civ game to ever his 100K concurrent on Steam. From the business perspective, Civ 6's normal day being at Civ 5's peaks is what matters. It makes more money, has more players, and breaks records which looks good for investors. Firaxis and 2K care about that. In terms of Civ 4, that's not accurate that's just Steam numbers. First many Civ 3 and 4 players bought the GOG version. Civ 4 also didn't launch onto Steam, it was still CDs which a lot of people still own. Civ 5 was the first Civ game to launch onto Steam Day 1. So the 1-2K players for Civ 3 and 4, those are just Steam numbers. Note the graph doesn't even go back to 2009. Civ 4 released in 2005. What numbers Firaxis did tell us is that Civ 4 sold about 3 million copies. Civ 5 sold 8 million, and Civ 6 sold 11 million. This was recorded at the start of 2023, so Civ 5 and 6 numbers would be even higher today particularly.
@trdi
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh I forgot about the Civ 4 and Steam release. However I still think that my point about 5x higher Steam user count compared to one year prior to Civ 5 release is a valid one. I work for a company that has grown a lot in last 7 years, from around 150M to 5 billion in market valuation. This of course means a lot of consistent growth. There is one market where we grew 40% every year, but in last 12 months the growth was only 15%. Is this ok or not? It depends. The absolute size of the market has not grown much in last 12 months for objective reasons and our growth still outperformed our competitors. So this is still a success and our shareholders are happy. But if the market itself had grown 40% and we only grew 15%, then this would be a failure. In my opinion Civ 6 should have had higher sales, but we don't have enough data to be sure whether the investors are happy or not, especially since Firaxis themselves are not on stock exchange and they are only a small part of a massive parent company. Firaxis did fire 30 developers a few months ago as a cost saving measure. Sure, this was not related to Civ 6, but it does show that the studio did not manage to avoid cost saving measures that the parent company introduced. Maybe you are right and they do see it as success. But maybe they don't as they expected more.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
@@trdi Yeah I get that, but to focus on the money, although Civ 6 'only' grew 50% more compared to Civ 5's 100% growth from Civ 4, Civ 6 made 400+% more money than Civ 5. Civ 6 took 50% player and sales growth and turned it into 400% revenue growth as a minimum because 4X revenue is just based on Steam. We can't know for sure, but there's a reason why Civ 7 is the first Civ game to be launching on consoles day 1 when Civ 6 was the first Civ game to come to consoles at all. It indicates they found so much success on consoles that Civ 7 had to be on the Switch day 1. Not even PS5 or just more powerful consoles, but the Switch.
@perer005
Ай бұрын
Children and those that struggle with changes in their life will hate on new games without fail.
@fakecomedyandtheabsurd2527
Ай бұрын
As will those who enjoy playing more interesting games.
@markiv2942
Ай бұрын
Little dees like you just shill and go suck companies, love everything trashy.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
@@markiv2942 Speaking of trashy.
@Deep_Sorcery
29 күн бұрын
I hope Firaxis invites you to try Civ VII before it releases. You've always done a good job reviewing the Civ series.
@GamerZakh
28 күн бұрын
@@Deep_Sorcery Thanks! I'm not expecting it though. It's a good challenge to cover it without access haha, I apparently convinced many I got Civ 6 early and I barely did anything and people think I've already played Civ 7. It's a good sign my coverage is actually comprehensive and useful.
@DevDreCW
Ай бұрын
Its a weird cycle for all games, I saw it more than ever with No Mans Sky, we have now entered the gaslighting era where long time fans act like the game was always great, ignoring the years and dozens of massive updates it needed to get to where it is now. I was confused about why they would do this, but I think they use it as a way to mock current, newly released games and use NMS as the shining example. Game's release rushed, get patched and improved, and wind up being, at least close to as good as people wanted originally.
@waltblackadar4690
Ай бұрын
I've been playing the Civ series since the 1st one was released - almost failed a couple of college classes due to that game. I've purchased every one of them on release and every expansion. I've never played fewer than 250 hours in any of them (Civ 3 was the lowest time played) and probably 1,000 hours or more in at least 3 of them (2, 4 and 6). So yeah, I've already preordered the Founders' Edition. Civ is closest to a sure thing that I ever get in PC gaming. I am having fun trolling the whiners and doomsayers in the Steam forums (none of which have the icon that shows they've purchased the game). The issue is that none of those mouth breathers can separate the concept (era civ-switching) from the very poor implementation of that mechanic from HUMANKIND. I remember before HK was released that the Civ-switching was going to be THE FEATURE that killed the Civ franchise. Except the clumsy half-baked implementation of that mechanic fell flat on its face. Now the haters think that this attempt is going to be very similar and therefore will "ruin" Civ 7 despite Firaxis seeing why it didn't work and therefore being able to shape it differently. The concept of civ-switching is actually pretty sound and it appears that in Civ 7 your LEADER will carry many of the bonuses rather than the Civs themselves. But none of that counts to the whingers who can't see 2 feet in front of their face.
@ElBartoK96
Ай бұрын
I think if the ages system didn't exist, much of the hate would disappear or at least become irrelevant. Many players just hated how the ages worked in Humankind and are afraid the sense of disasociation, from your own civ and your enemies, repeats in civ 7. And, as this is a core mechanic, it is gonna make or break the game. The idea of changing things through the game is incredible, but the way it is going to be implemented raises a lot of doubt. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.
@kpectbi
Ай бұрын
Great video Zakh. I agree with your summary. It is really subjective in the end. I played all the civ games over the years, and I am a long time fan. I can summarize, how the iterations were for me: Civ 1: revolutionary game at the time. Cannot remember how much time I wasted there. Played at friend's house, he had a copy. For sure, best memories, and nostalgy. Civ 2: the first civ game I bought. Great game, a good iteration over previous with the use of CD-ROM technology, with advisors videos and fresh graphics for windows OS. Civ 3: introduced new mechanics, strategically wise though, it felt that you must expand fast in order to win. So for me, not quite diverse gameplay. Civ 4: great graphics. I played maybe only one or 2 games of it, since I bought it close to civ 5 release. Civ 5: the best civ game for me fir now. I play it nowadays as well. The graphics are best, the mechanics are interesting, so much different directions the game can go, with all the expansions. Civ 6: I like the game, really diverse gameplay. Though not sure why I could not finish the games, but only one (with vanila). I like the use of leader bonuses, unstacked cities, and how it can affect your gameplay for optimization. All this talk about civ 7, makes me want to get back to revisit it with all the expansions.
@walterwhite8031
Ай бұрын
"people don't listen to what I actually say, they just hear what they want to hear". Good quote, yet I would suggest you replace "people" with "idiots". I am not sure how much this occurs for you, but I would hope it is just, as you mentioned, a small, loud minority. As for myself, I value your opinion a lot and I think it's best to just ignore silly allegations. Recent example: Black Myth Wukong. They just didn't say anything, when IGN put out those allegations and other "journalists" jumped on that train. Hogwart's Legacy went through something similar and once they engaged in it, it didn't help, at all. Then again... sometimes you just have to vent a little and hit the idiots with a bit of truth. And the meme is quite funny. Made me laugh.
@sinisterdesign
Ай бұрын
10:08 To be honest, this is pretty emblematic of how a certain subset of gamers behaves with most games. Just ask any indie dev about the kind of ridiculous nonsense they have to deal with in Steam reviews--it's friggin' absurd.
@antoinehenderson1659
Ай бұрын
This video got me to subscribe. I don't know if I'll end up liking this game, but a lot of the new features seem really cool. One thing I really like is how leaders and general units have traits that you can upgrade. I don't know if I'll like that units no longer have promotions, but I think this is a good substitue. I said this when the game was first revealed at Gamescom. I'll take radical innovation over the new game being an unambitious retread of Civ 6; a game I really like, by the way.
@magicaces13
Ай бұрын
The human psyche summed up in one video.
@bwalker77
Ай бұрын
I hate that people are getting angry at other people for liking something they don't like. I'm not very optimistic about Civ VII, despite my efforts, but I try to keep an open mind. That being said, if I end up not liking it, I hope you will. Why would I want anyone else to share my disappointment?
@Christina-g4s
Ай бұрын
Im a civ 4 is the best. Vassel atates mechanic sucked, didnt like espionage. Warlords is perfect for me. 4 was awful to play online, but as a single player game it rocks. No doubt the newer ones play better online but im anti social so ill stick with 4.
@arrasonline
Ай бұрын
I have played Civ since Civ 1 and I have never, never hated a Civ announcement until Civ 7. I will not be buying Civ 7 until I know I can maintain my nation through the entire game. If I have to shift my civ multiple times, I will not be buying Civ 7. I don't know if Civ 7 is doomed to fail, but I know I won't be supporting it.
@yoramkotzer6012
Ай бұрын
like you I played civ1 to civ6 and the first time iam a little worried is civ 7 and I'll wait for review before buying
@petertrudelljr
Ай бұрын
Been playing Civ since hot-seating the OG for a 36 hour game. Later ran a cable between my roommates computer and mine to waste a weekend on Civ 3... EVERY iteration hs been decried as not being 'real'. Honestly was wanting more out of Civ and got into Crusader Kings 3 because I liked the idea of your leader dying and having to recover and grow the empire with changing stats... looking forward to seeing Civ do something game-changing!
I'm a big Age of Wonders fan and this also happens every time a new AoW game releases. It's clear to me these people simply don't even WANT the game to be good. A prime example in my personal experience was when I decided to read the comments on an AoW4 add. The showed that if you would order now, you would get this special helmet (A practice I personally also don't agree with, but okey). The comments were filled with people saying how "Age of wonders became this cash-grab. That they went the way of EA by directly selling you power!" ... That's never been in the game. The helmet is merely a piece of cosmetic gear for your leader... and it's a bad one, cause it doesn't really match any of the outfits. These tend to be people who are stuck in the past I feel like.
@davidsprenkle2641
Ай бұрын
There's nothing wrong with sticking with an old favorite, say CIV 4 or CIV 5, and continuing to play it (heck, my wife still plays Heroes of Might & Magic 3, 20+ years after it released). But people who come in to threads to complain about CIV 7 before they've actually tried it, well, they confuse me. It's kinda like saying, "I still like the Beatles, AND your music sucks." Why bother to add that second, subjective and probably not fully informed bit?
@jamaly77
Ай бұрын
If I could get Civ Call to Power 2 with modern graphics and interface I would just play that.
@Apophis324
Ай бұрын
How dare you give your well researched, logical and thought-out analysis in a 23 minute video?! ... Wait, no, what the heck, what is wrong with [other!] people? XD Even if, IF, everything you said was sponsored or biased or dumb, you'd still be entitled to your opinion! And this video proves, to me, that it certainly wasn't those last three things!
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Haha thank you. Sometimes I don't even plan videos, this was just building up on a pile of things I came across and replying to comments and when I put it all together I had so much stuff, so I decided to organise it all together.
@Apophis324
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh I think you did the right thing, even if just for therapeutic effect. I doubt the people that actually cause the problem that prompted your video would be taking the time to actually listen.. Oh well, if you managed to persuade only one person, it's still one person ^ -^
@Afkhalla
Ай бұрын
I settled down with just knowing, that the Civ Vanilla Release will always be a solid game, nothing more. Expac 1 makes it just good. Expac 2 makes it amazing.
@shehbaazzzz121
Ай бұрын
I had bigger expectations for civ7 which included the civilisation continuing to space establishing bases in moon and mars and having space wars as final showdown opposed to what we usually get which is launching satellites and I'm also not a fan of the fog of war on civ7 in my personal opinion I like how it looks on civ6 much better nevertheless I like many aspects of what they showed in the gameplay of civ7 especially the waterways for ships into the river which I think was long overdue I do hope they work more on the graphics of how civs themselves look and also add new leaders from same civs for example they could add the mughal empire of india alongside the mauryans or the majapahit empire for Indonesia and Timur of the Timurid empire
@Zyzyx442
Ай бұрын
Gamerzakh was spotted in Turkey with a Fireaxis sponsered Yacht for shilling civ7
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
I can't wait to drive my Civ 7 branded Ferrari
@blueskull6789
Ай бұрын
Get any pics of his bikini babes?
@Oakenwarrior
Ай бұрын
These people who seethe with unbridled rage seem to miss the fact that it's not even a matter of whether or not there was a change sometime in the development of the series. It's more that they have remained unchanged, and simply cannot accept the fact that things around them do change, even if it absolutely does not and should not affect them. Existing like that seems to be a fate worse than death, being unable to cope with change and being left behind, so to speak, but it's not anyone else's fault than themselves, which they also cannot face - so it must be the fault of everyone else and everything else. And then begins the self-delusion of "everything was better back when I was younger", giving up on their entire life, spending the rest of their years bitter, malcontent, and vicious.
@SCP--op2eq
Ай бұрын
I do enjoy civ 5 6 normally don't hate on games like that' though the civ switching might not sound too bad but for those who don't like it they could add a option' where you don't need to which would improve some gameplay. So probably when they start adding patches=fixes things like that DLC based.
@turtle2720
Ай бұрын
**Angry keyboard sounds** 😄 Remember the word: "WoW-killer"? The MMO games that were to end World of Warcraft's dominance? WoW is still running - no game ever knocked it off the pedestal... but the haters kept finding new MMO games that would be the "WoW-killer". Nobody likes changes & nostalgia's a b*tch. I pre-ordered the Founder's Edition of Civ7. Maybe it was wrong, maybe not. But I hope they do away (or make it optionable) with the 'golden ages' mechanic of Civ6, the districts that locks a tile, the cartoon leaders, religion spam from AI, etc... And I hope they include some of the "quality of life" mods that people made, transfer some of the great themes (who here hasn't rocked hard to the Mongol theme) to Civ7.
@davidhall7811
Ай бұрын
Meanwhile here I am still spending hours on CIV3 feeling like a dinosaur in the CIV community, lol 🙂
@T.R.75
Ай бұрын
so im still a Civ3 player. been playing for decades. ive tried the subsequent Civs and there a reason why im still playing Civ3, and for sure its not the graphics. its the gameplay. the simplicity yet still being a challenge. the new Civs while looking pretty, just dont do it for me gameplaywise. Civ7, yet another version that looks really nice, but without a real deep dive into the gameplay, nobody has any idea if it will be fun or not.
@magalercio
Ай бұрын
some people just love to hate, no matter how much effort and dedication is put into delivering a new game and not just a reskin of the previous game.
@Alex-vq7fz
Ай бұрын
Thank you for saying it even though the people that need to hear it the most won't listen. There is one feature I am waiting to hear from Firaxis if it is optional or not and then I'll decide to play it at launch or wait for deep sales in a year or two. Totally support players who are excited, I honestly wish I was too but I won't make it a personal vendetta against them or content creators. That doesn't make any sense as an adult who can regulate emotions. I'm actually looking forward to your streams of Civ7 more than playing at this point. Ara has my attention right now and can't wait to play it! Hope you and yours are well today Zakh! Cheers!
@Kasaaz
Ай бұрын
I think some of it goes back to over personalizing earlier games. Whether it was Sid Meier’s name on it or the Soren era, people weirdly knew a lot about who was in charge of each new iteration.
@Theorak
Ай бұрын
Civilization: A New Dawn (the boardgame) is among my favorite Civs, because I can like games with different mechanics. I hope good gamers will both flock and stick with a series when it promises to bring joy. Hate is for lame people.
@johanmaes6295
Ай бұрын
The ET hate is becoming unbearable.
@stonehengemaca
Ай бұрын
I think it's people that hate others enjoying a game they can't enjoy. I have a friend that rates games based on how realistic the graphics are, and rates movies based on the quality and amount of "cool" CGI. They CAN'T play a game like mine craft, just because of the blocky graphics, and they CAN'T watch a good thriller as it's "boring".
@the_clawing_chaos
Ай бұрын
That is so true. I have been playing civ on release since 2, and this cycle always happens. Look, Civ is a game that needs a new twist each numbered version to entice new purchases, so there will always be controversial change. But I am always happy to give it a shot, because for the most part, these changes make the game fun.
@earlofdoncaster5018
Ай бұрын
When CIv II came out I never went back to I. When III came out I never went back to II. When IV came out I never went back to III. I cannot say the same for V or VI.
@vincentd.2284
Ай бұрын
This is me exactly. I still played and like 5, but I always came back to 4. 5 has some good stuff but is frustrating. 6 never worked for me. Even with all the dlcs
@NiGhtPiSH
Ай бұрын
So, you're saying that these days you can't have a CIVilized discussion? Joke aside. Gaming is a hobby and should bring the ones practicing it good emotions and fulfillment, not hate. We are blessed to have such a huge catalog of games from an immense variety of genres on every platform imaginable. Everyone can have their favourites and the things they don't like, but hating on others' choices is just stupid. Civ 6 just didn't click with me somehow, but hating on it? No, just not my cup of tea. The 4X/TBS scene has so much going on that everyone can find something they enjoy and satisfy the itch. And that's without veering into RTS, RTT or TBT which is a rabbit hole of its' own.
@MrGatonegroish
Ай бұрын
Everyone knows the best Civ game is the first one I played, and the worst one is whichever one you're excited about (unless you're excited about the first one I played).
@Othello484
Ай бұрын
Well said!! I loved CivII and recall being iffy on CivV's gameplay but I ultimately loved it and the tactical combat. I haven't played CivV1 not out of hate. I didn't see a reason to switch. Honestly, Civ needs changes in the iteration or why would I bother? Based on the first impressions, it looks interesting and I will wait for the full reviews. Every time I start playing CivI stop playing because of the endless late-game unit/city maintenance. I'm always looking for solutions to that gameplay reality. Also, grownups don't preorder. We do it when we are young, get burned, and don't do it again. Thanks again, Zakh!
@Somebody374-bv8cd
Ай бұрын
15:33 Remember daikatana and the john romero adverts in game mags, lol.
@subversiveasset
Ай бұрын
The FIRE, lmao, LOVE IT. It's entirely likely I haven't engaged with the kinds of people you're really talking about (which would render the rest of this comment entirely pointless/potentially a confirmation of your claim that people don't listen to what you actually say, but I promise I'm trying to avoid that lol), but my impression when I think about this meme gets at the point you got to in section 4. "The Hate is From Certain People." I actually don't think it's all that weird for the *same* sentiment of hatred to come from *different* people. And, jumping out of order to address something you say in section 5, I think it's absolutely possible for "new" fans to complain, because I don't think people build opinions about what Civ is through a dispassionate review of the entire history of the series. But I'll get to that later. It's very easy for different people to say, "they ruined the fundamentals and now it will suck forever" because this is a general critique. And then when you query them about what "the fundamentals" are -- if they reply, which I guess, most don't, lmao -- for you to find that when it comes to specifics, each cohort has a different answer. So, for people for whom Civ IV was their favorite, they will have different reasons for saying why V, VI, and VII are horrible forever than someone for whom CIV V was their favorite will have for challenging VI and VII, etc., But the beauty of the meme is that it doesn't make specifics, so the same general complaints can "hide" a multitude of diversity. So getting back to section 5, where you ask: "If it's new fans, why are they complaining about the next games not being Civ anymore if they haven't played the old ones." My impression would be: because every player makes an emotional judgment on what "Civ" is based on their experience and history, not based on an objective review of every game. I think the analogy is something like: "Every generation says the next generation's music is bad." But the specifics of what music the current generation *likes* and the specifics of what is so "bad" about the next generation's music are *not* going to be consistent or the same. And furthermore, if you ask, idk, a boomer and a millennial why the current gen's music is bad, they may agree that it's bad, BUT they may not agree on *what is bad* or about what good music is. I think there probably are some "category C" haters as you describe later in Section 5, and I find that hilarious and am sorry for laughing at the crappy comments all civ youtubers probably get in every video from them. But I still think it's entirely possible for "category A" to emerge among different new players because those new players will have a view of Civ defined not by the full series, but because they've played their version of the game for multiple years and that is Civ *to them*. And I think this has interesting implications for all future games. BECAUSE -- as you astutely point out -- each new Civ is objectively more successful than the last, this means that there are going to be *more* people each generation whose view of what Civ is will be defined by the generation they grew up with, and this expanded cohort will create *more* people who will hate the changes of the next generation (while yes, not actually having any awareness of the history of the series). In other words, there are going to be more people who have played Civ VI for nearly a decade (which I think is definitely enough time for some deepseated feelings to get settled in) and no other game who will therefore have very strong opinions on what Civ is *just from playing that game*. And when they see changes in VII from VI, they may be very vocal about not liking that, whether or not they have any past experience with the divisiveness of every previous Civ game (including their personal fave VI). In fact, and maybe this is taking things too far, but I would venture that claiming "The new Civ changed something fundamental about Civ now it sucks forever" is MORE likely to come from a new fan...because older/longer term fans would have more experience to say: the only thing fundamental to Civ is *change itself*.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Generally yes, haha not to be reductive as you wrote a lot but pretty much yeah to everything. If people were as thoughtful as you we wouldn't have the problem.
@subversiveasset
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh i now can never reply again on the channel lol. but for real response:. I was thinking also on my own personal history. while I have played all the main/numbered Civ games and wouldn't say I feel like any of the newer ones have "ruined" it, I definitely have more "foundational" experiences with 3, 4, 5 and there are definitely some features that I irrationally feel are "fundamental civ". Going back to 2 or Alpha Centauri and NOT seeing cultural borders is jarring to me. Like, my emotional reaction is: "these games aren't complete, just a couple of betas" when objectively, obviously, they are very much complete games, they just hadn't gotten those features *yet*. Even the loss of regular city culture flipping in 5 is also a little weird to me, because I was a cultural turtle in 3 and 4 who would just culture bomb other cities over to me rather than actually building a military for regular conquest LMAO.
@HectorKoolenGames
Ай бұрын
With this video I realized that we need a remastered version of CIV3.
@andrewhooper7603
Ай бұрын
I get the sense that a lot of people think Civ is a series of sequels and not iterations. I would understand getting CoD II and being disappointed if it played like a boomer shooter, because CoD is the AC/DC of gaming. You know what you're going to get when you buy the ticket. Civ, on the other hand goes back to square one (I guess hex one now) and rebuilds the systems. All of your precious strats go out the window and you have to learn a new way to play. One would think a strategy gamer would appreciate this and adapt.
@Scipio488
Ай бұрын
I have been playing since Civ III, and, yes, this is exactly how it is (not just with this game, but most of them; ever play the Sims?). And Firaxis has a GOAL of only keeping a third of the game the same (improving a third, and adding a third that is new); they are TRYING to make a new game to get new players. In this case it will work; I had long since abandoned Civ VI, but Civ VII will bring me back. So why is everyone shocked EVERY TIME the new version is different from the previous one? They have literally repeatedly told you that is their goal.
@TheJanda777
24 күн бұрын
I'm 39, starting with civ 1 on snes, then to PC for the rest. All of them are excellent and have had me hooked for thousands upon thousands of hours. I thought 5 was overly complicated and I never gave it a chance. Then, I bought 6 when it came out and thought the same. One day I decided to fire up 6 again and just try to "get it". I was not disappointed and I now consider it to be a masterpiece. There are a few small QOL issues that I wish I could see change, which probably are in some mod or something, but otherwise it has me completely excited to see what 7 brings to the table. I AM HOPING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT - NOT MORE OF THE SAME. 6 converted my thinking for future civs.
@DestructiconSC
Ай бұрын
I don't think trying to address the perpetual haters is ever going to work. No matter what you say that specific segment of the population will just continue to hate. Just better to ignore them, nobody really takes them seriously anyway, or at least no one should. But on to go a bit off-topic and, dare I say into maybe into constructive criticism. I actually really dislike and fear the idea of changing your civilization between eras. I genuinely found it really jarring in a game like Humankind where you could go from a people, with a specific history, geography and culture and switch to one not even remotely connected whatsoever, like say going from Carthage to the Vikings. If they really want to proceed with this direction I hope they at least give us more culturally relevant choices when advancing through the eras and/or also allow us the option to continue with the current civ. For example, advancing from Rome into the Italian states, would make more sense for me and then from the Italian states to full on Italy later. On the bright side though, given how vast the modding community has gotten for Civ 6, I'm sure someone, at some point will make a mod for Civ 7 to allow a more linear civ progression if people really end up hating it that much. Apart from that, I enjoyed the graphical and stylistic improvements from game to game, and I love how Civ 7 looks. I liked the gameplay improvements, I ended up enjoying the Culture and Science split. I loved the districts and wonders since they actually give a nice organic feeling of the city's growth, while giving tons of options for adjacency bonuses. So, I just really hope they don't bork it with civ switching.
@gebus5633
Ай бұрын
Only thing I accuse of is Civ 7 looking as deep as a puddle compared to the previous games. Having tried quite a few of the Civ games recently, for me personally Civ 5 is the most enjoyable and feels most complete. For me Civ 6 is enjoyable only heavily modded. 5 I can enjoy as vanilla too.
@mats8375
Ай бұрын
I like to coming back to old games out of nostalgia. Now I'm playing game from 1999. It's still fun, but you know what? Games today are better than then. Not only graphics, but gameplay is more balances and games are more replayable. If someone doesn't like current era games, there are always games from the past that everyone can buy for pennies. There was never better times for gamers than today 😊
@duskfall_777
Ай бұрын
That reminds me of a similar meme, about zelda. It goes like this : "The best zelda is objectively the one that came out when you were 13"😂 My favorite civ game is civ3, first one that I played
@Unconsciouzone
Ай бұрын
This phenomenon isn't unique to this franchise (The Sims) *cough* There will always be a progressive faction that embraces change and a conservative faction that prefer things the way they are. Also Contrarianism is a real thing. There are people literally addicted to arguments and wiill almost always voice on the side of the minority/negative. even before having tried/experienced it for themselves. Interestingly, some franchises are immune to this phenomenon because they have trained their audience to _expect_ the unexpected .The Final Fantasy franchise is a great example. Every game is very different than the last and this is what fans have come to expect so there is very little of the pre-launch anxt you see with other franchises like Civ and the Sims.
@tyalikanky
Ай бұрын
I think people really want just some Civ X with immense tons of DLCs. 50-60 or even more
@phoelich
Ай бұрын
It's great that you make this video, but sad you have to do so. I am super excited about Civ 7 and am looking forward to see how the new gameplay features will work. We can judge then and hopefully in a constructive manner 😊
@jamesford2532
Ай бұрын
One point. Lots of us bought Civ V on physical media then picked it up years later on a steam sale because the disc got scratched.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Didn't the disc just install onto Steam? Just to be sure I checked the Civfanatics forums from 2010: forums.civfanatics.com/threads/can-i-get-civ5-without-steam.388073 Besides that we still do know for a fact that Civ 6 sold 50% more copies and made 400+% more money than Civ 5.
@jamesford2532
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh you could be right. They all blend together. I completely forgot Civ III until I saw a video. My only gripe with new Civ games is they pull features you like from the old game and stick them in the dlc. Then you need to wait to use a feature that you like.
@SilortheBlade
Ай бұрын
I've been a fan since the very first game. Bought every game in the series, and aside from being disappointed with V at launch (and it got better with DLC) I have enjoyed every one and sunk thousands of hours into each. I also agree with everything you have said in this video. I have seen the stupid chatter at each new launch as well. That said, my personal opinion is Civ VII does not look good. It looks like it is chasing trends from the past few years that have not proved popular. I hope I am wrong as I really love this series, but It won't be a day 1 purchase for me unlike the other games in the series. Maybe I'll come check out your gameplay at release and see how it looks.
@UndeadEggmiester
Ай бұрын
I've been playing the series since the first one in the 80s. Yes every game has made changes some better and some worse. I had friends that quite after the 3rd one because they saw games after that as bad games. People tend to forget that 80s and 90s games were essentially the wild west of games. We rarely knew if games were good or bad and a lot of people that either were to young to remember it or not alive have rose covered glasses on past games. Personally I love civ 6 and sure it has done annoying features in it but it's not that bad. I'm hyped and looking forward to what civ7 has in tow for us. It might be better or worse but either way I'll most likely enjoy myself.
@Ashadar_Resouley
Ай бұрын
People who realize their wrong and just stop replying are crazy, like how hard is it when you realize you're wrong to just go "Oh yeah i guess you're right i was wrong my bad" or something like that, though it is better then a person who is clearly wrong and knows that they are refusing to accept that they are and go on acting like they are right and just become a brick wall that refuses to accept the truth
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
It's not even just people who are wrong, it's people accusing me of blatantly untrue things. They throw out some severe accusation, then just run away. Outside of this video I ban them, on this video they prove my point harder.
@Ashadar_Resouley
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh That's what i'm saying when they realize they were wrong rather then just replying that they were wrong and apologizing for accusing you for things that were just blatantly wrong they instead chose to just ghost you because they don't want to accept that they were wrong
@bolicob
Ай бұрын
I'll be honest, i couldn't tell the art style was more realistic than civ 6 until comparing them directly
@bushmonster1702
Ай бұрын
The criticism of CIV 6 art style is wildly exaggerated to be honest.
@terrycrist3
Ай бұрын
As someone who started with #2, I’m 100% with you on this. They said 3 couldn’t live up to Alpha Centauri. 4 IS a great game but it was incredibly buggy on launch. I remember a memory leak crashing my computer for weeks until they rushed out a patch. And 5 split the fanbase in half with 1UPT. We need to just wait until they have a full game to watch before we all jump to conclusions about 7.
@emcave
Ай бұрын
It's not just with Civ, it's a general problem with new releases in a franchise or with remakes even. People want the same but different. But nobody can agree on what exactly that is. I can understand the disappointment if things don't go in the direction as hoped, but after all, the old game isn't suddenly disappearing. I pretty much skipped Civ4 but Civ3 didn't stop running because of that. 😊
@greendog4297
Ай бұрын
The Yogscast seem to despise Civ VI. They prefer V, and clearly favour creating series of V on their exclusive Civ channel. But I do think that their declarations of calling Civ VI a ‘bad game’ are just lazy. The trouble is, many of their fans will simply listen and not give future entries in the franchise a fair chance because of the sentiment.
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
See as a creator I can tell you that what videos a creator makes is at least half influenced by what people will watch. So the Civ 6 hate feeds into itself. People say they hate Civ 6, people hear Civ 6 is bad, people watch more Civ 5, more people watch Civ 5 so creators make more Civ 5 videos, creators make more Civ 5 videos instead of 6 so Civ 6 must be bad, people say Civ 6 is bad.
@greendog4297
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh I completely agree. The fire being continuously fuelled only encourages more people to plant their flags on their chosen hill. Can’t we all just play our favourite Civ and be happy? I personally see that both V and VI have merits as well as shortcomings. If every entry in a franchise was a carbon copy of the previous one, surely sales would drop and fans would be critical of the lack of innovation?
@Botruc
Ай бұрын
Great take down! Totally agree with you! Been playing since Civ3 and it's always the same...
@RogerSullivanNOLA
24 күн бұрын
They at the very least have addressed my biggest complaint, which is the AI, which gives me hope. It sure does look nice too.
@Nuclearpulseengine
Ай бұрын
If it ain’t sid meier’s Alpha Centauri then it aint civilization! (Jk)
@Joule_Frog
Ай бұрын
"why?" - When people are proven wrong whether it be coming from someone or even their physical environment it is harder to change the original structure built in the brain than to dismantle and create a new structure, and we are built to take path of least resistance for two major reasons, one it costs less energy making us more efficient as an organism, and two feeling wrong hurts and we tend to avoid pain. - Much like the path of least resistance point above, we are designed to view things in black or white terms or chunking the information in bite sized understandable pieces and because our brains have these limitations we play around with the info coming in with an idealistic filter. We only see what we want to see and we only hear what we want to hear, You could even have the "best" idea but because it can be broken down into many pieces and everything has cons and pros/gains and losses, people can take your idea and decide subjectively they don't value the gain and value what could be lost when focusing on a con. - To change someone's perspective they also need to be in a state of mind that allows them to be "open" to receiving new information, which is likely what you are attempting to create an "open" state of mind by going through your experience so people can see your point of view, which is a way of doing it but can be more effective, like before giving them your point of view, discuss their point of view without making them "not really heard or understood" this will make them more liking to reciprocate, even better is to create a shared outlook like a goal that both can reach together and avoid the me vs you state of minds. - Some minority of people will always go against the grain and its in their nature to do so, so my advice is to ignore these types, unless the whole point of the video was to create content based off of the drama created when interacting with this minority, but be forewarned because one of the trade offs for doing so is a growth in negative thinking and one path leads (on the extreme spectrum) is psychosis
@StoNe-ji6bc
Ай бұрын
I loved playing Civ 1-5 (Civ 5 1257.2hrs played on steam) I really didn't like Civ 6 (it was such a bad game for me, 165.6hrs played on steam) I have no intention of playing Civ 7 - I'm okay with this, just like SimCity, I've given up on Firaxis and I now look to games I prefer to play. Take of that of what you will
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Yeah that's perfectly fine and reasonable.
@skyknight2003
27 күн бұрын
I think the real crime here is making you, the normally happy go lucky type poster having a video with frustration. That is the true monstrous thing.
@mattkutrik
Ай бұрын
You tore open an old scab. I was so damn excited for Trespasser back in 1998. Also, when you were mentioning the "severe" hatred/vitriol that drive-by commenters love to throw in, in your head I hope you are picturing it as "civ-ere".
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
Haha! I was not but now I am.
@KingOskar4
Ай бұрын
13:10 had to watch the video again to check this sentence in particular. Because it is amazing 🤩 and it might be true!! What I like (Hero Units, Old RTS stuff in 4X games, progression etc. etc. I cannot remember all)..... What mechanics I like... Might not be profitable anymore for the business.... Yyyyyikes!!
@GamerZakh
Ай бұрын
@@KingOskar4 I really appreciate you double checking what was said (considering many of the comments I get haha). And yeah that's something that doesn't really cross people's minds much. But I think about it a lot because for some reason, my favourite restaurants always close down lol! Whenever I find a place that has the dishes I like, within the year it goes bust. What I like isn't profitable.
@KingOskar4
Ай бұрын
@@GamerZakh Oh! You've answered! Thank you! 😍 I have been your fan since the early Emperor Rise of the Middle Kingdom days!! Maybe you're interested on what those Old Civ Mechanics are. Well I look at my notes, and it's from a number of games: Hero Units AND their progression and levels/spells/abilities. Stories of said Hero Units (example, Arthas Menethil becoming an evil knight) Looking trough my notes, I see many things (tropes): Cities being net positive (Civ1 , Civ2 and Civ3) or Entertainment Type (Temple not present in Civ5 and Civ6), Custom Civ creation!! Custom Civilization is something that I only liked in Empire Earth 1, from circa 2002! So yeeea 😟 I am worried that ... What I like, whenever game mechanics, or even restaurants, just get shelved and closed because like my favorite workmate said "We don't earn enough money"
@NC7491
Ай бұрын
I am 50 years old and I 've played every civ game since Civ 1. Thousands of hours for each. Except Civ 6, which Steam says I 've only put just 160 hours into it. Compare with Civ 5 which I am still playing which I v'e played for 3600 hours. Now, it could be because I am getting old and I am more averse to change. It could be, I don't know. The thing is I remember how excited I was every time a new Civ version came out and I also remember how some new things annoyed me until I got used to them. With Civ 6 however the graphics feel so cartoony and off-putting while I didn't find any of the changes appealing that I was completely unable to get into it. Overall, I do feel that each version had good and bad elements and the series have abandoned some good elements from the past. Like, it feels exhausting that you can't trade maps anymore and you have to scout the whole map by yourself. I am not crazy about research agreements and not being able to trade technologies. I don't like city states. I am not crazy about districts. I thought the Civ 4 civics were the closest to reality, although Civ civil politics have grown on me over time. All in all, I still feel that Civ 4 was the best' It was far from perfect but felt like the apex of the series. I like Civ 5 graphics better and also its combat system. A civ 4 remake with civ 5 graphics would be the starting point for the next decent civ game IMO.
@cecarter10
Ай бұрын
The jumping between ages seems to hopefully fix the late game that most 4x games struggle with.
@KingOskar4
Ай бұрын
Civ Changing?! 😮 Have I been living under a rock?! 🪨
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