Hot take: People that only watch sports massively underrate fatigue as a deciding factor. It is not often discussed how weaker conferences at various points in history have massively affected finals matchups. When one conference is a war and a team gets taken to seven, (in their conference finals especially), their chances of winning the finals immediately drop. Some examples being: 1987 Celtics, 1994 Knicks, 1998 Bulls (even if they won), 2006 Mavs and 2016 Warriors.
@fortynights1513
12 күн бұрын
You mention the 1987 Celtics. If I’m not mistaken the Lakers they faced in the finals had come off a western conference finals against a pretty average Sonics team that upset the Rockets.
@VectusCraft
12 күн бұрын
@@fortynights1513 Yes, the Lakers that year cruised to the Finals, sweeping the Supersonics. The Celtics entered after being beaten to hell by the Bad Boy Pistons for 7 games straight.
@BoxPounder
12 күн бұрын
Do not let bronsexuals see this
@Jonathan-A.C.
10 күн бұрын
@@VectusCraft AND almost losing on top of that. Bird came out on clutch, and they got to the Finals. But Bird was starting to sort of slow down, and Magic was in his prime
@Jonathan-A.C.
10 күн бұрын
That’s a great ass point you made
@SilentK4
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: The league’s refusal to expand since 04 has over saturated the talent pool, made superstars matter less, and dynasties less feasible. Basically it is A (not the) root cause of a lot of the ideas Rusty has been talking about. Basketball being a constantly evolving sport means that players are constantly getting more talented, requiring more dilution than the other big 4 leagues (AKA more teams).
@icupnibba3533
12 күн бұрын
By that logic, then the league would have to expand regularly, like at least every 20 years or so. However, there are only so many cities that can support an NBA team. In fact, some markets in the league currently have precarious financial positions (by precarious, I'm not saying they aren't profitable, I mean disappointing revenue for the owners of the team.) At the end of the day, the NBA is a business. Money comes first, everything else is secondary.
@gigiobb
12 күн бұрын
"Only stats are not biased." My guy has clearly never worked with stats because people make stats biased all the time
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
Yeah, stats be lying like crazy. Or people be making stats lie. I think everyone should have to take 1 semester of statistics, so they can learn to question the stats. It's like, "Why would people lie with stats?" "Why do people lie anyway?" :D
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
The take about Jamal Crawford and James Harden was not about comparing them as players. It's saying that if Jamal was awful in the playoffs leads to him being exluded from best 6th man convos, the same should be applied for players of higher stature and the conversations they are around. The fact that Harden averaged way more points is irrelevant unless you're trying to make the case that he was actually good in the playoffs, and even then you're not addressing the take itself
@fortynights1513
12 күн бұрын
What are your thoughts on the take?
@Sqeaky6969
12 күн бұрын
I mean Crawford was also a bad regular season performer, he put up points but if u really look at the team stats whenever he came in the defense and offense got worse, so the one thing he is supposed to be good at was most of the time hurting the team
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
@@Sqeaky6969 I just don't think it's really about Jamal, which is why it was wierd that Rusty was so offended by someone comparing Jamal and Harden when it never happened. It's just about whether the 'bad in the playoffs' -> 'excluded from convos' logic should be applied for everyone. At least that's what I got from it, maybe I'm wrong
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
@@fortynights1513 I can see the logic behind the take, although I don't think role players and 1st options are completely comparable in this regard. Saying that someone being bad in the playoffs makes them ineligible in some conversations can be a bit harsh, but isn't unreasonable. After all, it's not like we're talking about Harden and Embiid like they're the best ever or even close. So I guess I agree that playoff performance is an important factor both for role players and stars, but I think *it is* taken into account by most fans.
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
Rusty said that Jamal dropping in the playoffs excluded him from BEST 6th man convos. Who tf is saying that Embiid or Harden are the GOAT? Because they are definitely dq'd from the GOAT convo for their dropping in the playoffs. That is the 1 to 1. Jamal is not the best 6th man of all time, and realistically, he isn't even a good 6th man. But everyone knocks Harden and Embiid in legacy convos because they sucked in the playoffs. That person's argument was gaslighting.
@apexx_prime8313
12 күн бұрын
yes thats the main issue with eye test is that people see a pretty game and call someone better. like a lot of ppl wanted to say "oh u say what AD can do, switch hime with Tim Duncan and its the same success"
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
The thing is, there are stats, which are limited, and there is the eye test which is limited. But they cover for each other's weaknesses. Stats help you keep track of what happened, but eye test is necessary to understand why and how it happened. And both still don't tell you what is inside a person, or what is going to happen. But you need both for a more complete picture.
@theg1714
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take: Had Kyle Lowry played in the Western Conference a majority or entirety of his career, he probably would have had a career like Mike Conley in that he maybe might have been a 1 time all star.
@BigSlim4
12 күн бұрын
Damn this is true
@loganwagler7997
12 күн бұрын
Cold take
@slackerofhell
12 күн бұрын
You could put a number of PGs from the east into the west and that'd still be true
@bradentucker4854
12 күн бұрын
@@theg1714 honestly don’t even think he would’ve gotten one because it’s not like his stats pop out at you and it was weird brother could go 1-9 and sometimes you’d be like I feel like Lowry somehow wasn’t awful
@theg1714
12 күн бұрын
@@bradentucker4854 Facts
@ThisThatTheThird
12 күн бұрын
You forgot about Kyle Korver when you were talking about the best shooters over a certain height
@cottonschwab307
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Tuesday is now the greatest day in the week
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: get of your knees already
@H2daheathen
12 күн бұрын
Though he has never won the award, James Harden is the most improved/evolved player throughout a career of all time. From okc to early Houston days to when he became "The System" fr(2017-2021)
@nickg5385
12 күн бұрын
The Jamal Crawford take was dumb af lol. saying Crawford isn’t the GOAT 6 man is NOT the same logic as saying Harden is not a superstar. If rusty said Jamal wasn’t even a good 6 man, then maybe. But Jamal is one of the best 6man ever, he’s just not the GOAT. If someone argued Harden for the best SG of all time or something then yea the logic stays but just cuz Jamal isn’t the goat 6man doesn’t make Harden not a super star lol
@ronmcgee1868
11 күн бұрын
I agree. Tim was the greatest power forward EVER! Never got his due because he was quiet
@treymatthews3353
11 күн бұрын
Bro at 8:36 really thought he was being reasonable. That might be the nonsensical hot take I’ve seen from these videos.
@nicholasalexander9866
12 күн бұрын
I don’t think it’s that hot of a take honestly. If someone told me they have Duncan there I’d be like “Interesting, can you give me some context”. I don’t think he is top three, but an argument can be made.
@sdstuff4937
12 күн бұрын
I have him top 3
@Ginger2882.
12 күн бұрын
Yeah personally I think there are like 5 players that if you told me were your 3rd all time I would be like fair enough.
@bradentucker4854
12 күн бұрын
@@nicholasalexander9866 I find it crazy that Kobe Duncan and shaq all made it to the top 10 of all time at the worst especially Kobe and Duncan that western conference from 99 till 2011 only had Duncan Kobe and dirk come out the west talk about dominance
@hoppy23
12 күн бұрын
Yea bro its not hot at all thats a luke warm to cold take tim duncan is in my top 5 at the 4 spot but he certainly has a debate for top 3 and imo top 2 timmy d has 2nd best longevity imo ever arguably tje best bc as his offense fell worse then brons timmys d stayed potent as i said i have bron 2 and timmy 4 but i think A CASE can be made for timmy against anyone but Mj
@hoppy23
12 күн бұрын
@Ginger2882. Exactly i like this line of thought why restrict your Top 3 to 3 players and shut off every other name in reality its about 14 guys with top 10 arguments about 5 to 6 guys with top 3 arguments why hate just call 14 people arguably top 10 and then hype all 14 up
@hudsonlin5531
12 күн бұрын
Hot take : Bam Adebayo is really underrated and is a top 15 player in the league right now (He’s being overshadowed by Butlers “expected performance” in the playoffs and by being on the Heat)
@darkvader2024
12 күн бұрын
I honestly think that's how he's more or less viewed. Around top 20 but not having the offensive skillset to be higher or a superstar type guy. Most people call him the best if not the second best defender by default.
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
Jokic, Luka, Shai, Embiid, Giannis, Tatum, Brown, Brunson, Dame, Steph, KD, Booker, Ant, Mitchell, Jimmy, Lebron, AD, Kyrie, Ja are all DEFINITELY still better and i can prolly list like 5-10 who could be argued as well 🤦♂️. Be fr now.
@dawsonyount3005
12 күн бұрын
@@kjjr3270no way kyrie is better than bam in 2024. And honestly at this point maybe taking him over jimmy. Maybe
@zionhendricks7610
11 күн бұрын
Imo bam over Kyrie, Brown, Ant and Jimmy but it’s tuff. Jimmy being worse than bam is slowly becoming reality. Edwards is hard to rank but I’m not putting him over D Mitch, Brown, and Book. Those are better SGs right now
@waldolibby4391
11 күн бұрын
@@zionhendricks7610Bam being over Ant is a insane take not even hot.
@michaelmcphee2006
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Regional NBA broadcast teams should unashamedly biased, but should also have one Jesse Ventura style heel commentator saying infuriating and obviously not true things about the team. Yes, it might make the players mad, but it would be hilarious to see some guy on the GSW broadcast team saying Cam Johnson is a more reliable floor spacer than Steph Curry. I would watch that all day, everyday.
@mattclanahan9130
12 күн бұрын
this sounds like Nick commenting lol
@DatDude0925
10 күн бұрын
This is the best idea I’ve ever heard
@TakeoneDoe
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take: Russell Westbrook's jumpshot decline is entirely tied to THREE things. ONE Magic's harsh criticism in the Finals. TWO the NBA Free throw rule change THREE his increased pettiness to prove people wrong. the better he got the more he wanted to prove his haters wrong instead of playing his game.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
When would you say the decline really became terrible? I'd say there's also an element of really athletic players having jumpers that rely on that athleticism, and having their timing and feel messed up when the athleticism starts to fail them
@TakeoneDoe
12 күн бұрын
@tiredbasketballfan he was 85% from the free throw line and his stop and pop midrange was his signature shot. He became from fav player through 5 years of being stuck with him in fantasy leagues. And it's def when the nba changed the rule about free throw shooting. He used to walk to half court and walk back now he can't leave the box. Hes an OCD guy and I think that eff him up
@matthewroberts198
12 күн бұрын
@@TakeoneDoe That and I also say after Pat Bev collided with his knee causing the knee injury. With his stop and pop he tends to run at full speed, and stop suddenly for his jump shot. Hard to do after the knee injury.
@TakeoneDoe
12 күн бұрын
@matthewroberts198 yeah I was gonna mention that. He never missed a game in his life before that. And the knee injury somehow altered his jumpshot and not athleticism
@urbaindelva7869
8 күн бұрын
@@matthewroberts198How efficient was Russ at that stop and pop shot anyway?
@tommullan957
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take: I think Dr J is a top 8 greatest player of all time because if you include his ABA accolades and stats he becomes a 3 time Champ, 2 time Finals MVP, 4 time MVP, 8th in all time scoring, 3 time scoring champ, 16x all-star, 12x all-NBA and career averages of 24, 4 and 9 as well as some crazy prime playoff numbers. But over all I do think that the NBA should acknowledge ABA stats and accolades because guys like Dr J spent most of there prime in the ABA so it makes there stats in the NBA when they where older seem like they’re not as good as they where.
@wembychan
12 күн бұрын
Depends on the level of comp of the aba tho…
@tommullan957
12 күн бұрын
@@wembychanthat’s a fair point but at that time a lot of the best players and talent where in the ABA
@DrKnowNothing1
12 күн бұрын
Stats should have been merged when the leagues were.
@lovinv08
12 күн бұрын
@@DrKnowNothing1100000
@terterman8585
12 күн бұрын
@@DrKnowNothing1 I think that they should still do it, it's unfair that players that were in the aba don't get to keep their stats, it completely alters the legacy of some of the greatest players ever, like Dr J and Moses Malone
@charlieprince8671
12 күн бұрын
48 win teams were missing the playoffs in the West in the mid 2000s lol 50 win teams were the 8th seed. It was CRAZY how they were eating each other.
@jimmybrooks2000
12 күн бұрын
Finally somebody acknowledged that Tim Duncan really didn't have as much help as people think
@fortynights1513
12 күн бұрын
Teams around him were good, but not as historically great as some may claim
@imhong28
12 күн бұрын
So true. If he had Magic led Lakers kind of help, the Spurs would have won the 2013 finals and in a blowout fashion.
@jimmybrooks2000
12 күн бұрын
@@fortynights1513 Exactly. It irritates the shit out of me when people like Jonny Arnett rank Timmy lower than other GOAT players because "He had more help" when there are guys they rank ahead of Timmy who literally played together. The truth is that Tim always had solid teams. That's it. Nothing even remotely close to the showtime lakers or bird celtics or whatever team is in the greatest team of all time conversation.
@jimmybrooks2000
12 күн бұрын
@@imhong28 No doubt. Timmy with less help than any other Goat contender almost went 6 for 6.
@d3adyoutubeaccount
12 күн бұрын
Not true
@goddammitnappa1617
12 күн бұрын
My hot take: I have both Kobe and Tim Duncan above magic and bird in my top 10. Now tbf, anything between 4-11 is super interchangeable but more often than not, I tend to have those 2 ranked higher and there is a serious argument for it (that is too long to fit in this take, maybe next time)
@alsorustybuckets
12 күн бұрын
first to actually submit a take! congrats. - rudy
@CharlieNorthover-f1i
12 күн бұрын
Buddy, right out the take, you're about to be in a video. Explain before you get, potentially, flamed.
@justtimes9257
12 күн бұрын
Bro, I have the same thing, man
@Ginger2882.
12 күн бұрын
Cold take
@seananthony7494
12 күн бұрын
Kobe and Duncan in their prime would’ve been a better duo than Magic and Bird… Their personalities didn’t clash Duncan never wanted the spot light he just wanted to win. And he has a very underrated work ethic he was always the last to leave the locker room after practice, even when he was an assistant coach😂😂😂
@meh7348
12 күн бұрын
Bruh, are you new to social media? Most people 100% have an issue with separating liking a player and skill.
@reganhatcher1579
9 күн бұрын
100%. Got a mate who’s a big Kyrie fan. Thinks he’s top 5 guard all time..🤦🏻♂️🤣
@kirbstomp8666
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: defense is alive and well in the modern nba. Everyone likes to talk about how the offense wins every interaction now but if we look at the landscape of the Nba it’s defensive teams that are dominating the top spots Is there stuff we can change to make it better? Absolutely. But modern offense is more a product of spacing than physicality and we’re seeing now that you can win with a team that’s focused on defending that space, it just took a few years for the league to adapt
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
I think you're right, and that the low point of defense was during Harden's years in Houston, when they let him get away with his foul merchant shenanigans. They still do it for certain players, but this last year you could see the mid season change they made to allow more defense, and it continued into the playoffs. I think you can argue relative defense, but I do think that defenders should not have to worry about being bowled over (Lebron and Embiid), or grabbed and hooked (Harden).
@bigbucket3
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Tim Duncan is not underrated in fact he is beginning to become slightly overrated, or maybe the better word to use is under-examined, though it’s true that his best moments (such as the 2003 finals) don’t get talked about a whole lot he has the luxury of his worst moments also never being brought up, the amount of times he was up 2-0, 2-1, 3-2 in a playoff series and lost, the amount of 4th quarter playoff leads he blew, losing to an 8 seed as the 1 seed in 2011 never gets discussed, yet he continues to hide under the guise of being this heavily under appreciated player bc ppl just pull up his page on basketball reference and gawk at his accolade count. This leads into another hot take I have that being “underrated” has a lot of perks to it but I’ve typed enough already lol
@your2latenow
12 күн бұрын
cook up brother
@Sqeaky6969
12 күн бұрын
Disagree outside of MJ every top 10 guy has massive disappointments Kobe and curry have arguably the 2 worst finals ever for guys argued as top 5, Bird only won 3 despite having 6 hofers one being a former mvp coming off the bench from 86 onwards yet only won 1 in that time frame. Hakeem was a playoff loser outside of 2 years, Kareem barely won without magic and LeBron has more finals losses than anyone outside of Jerry West, shaq didn't win anything without kobe and wade. U could literally do this for everyone besides MJ
@bigbucket3
12 күн бұрын
@@Sqeaky6969 I didn’t say he was the only all time great with blemishes, I said he was the only one who’s blemishes never get discussed, Kobe and Steph have their blemishes discussed all the time everyone knows all of them, there’s gonna ppl that see my comment that didn’t even know that time Duncan lost to an 8 seed in 2011 and was thoroughly outplayed by Zach Randolph
@Sqeaky6969
12 күн бұрын
@@bigbucket3 he also suffered a major injury to his leg which forced him to be in a brace going forward into his career and was the only big on the team, manu had also broken his arm plus the series went 7 its not like the spurs got wiped. Ur also not adding context js
@urbaindelva7869
12 күн бұрын
@@Sqeaky6969That series went 6, not 7. From what I remember, both teams were mostly healthy outside of Manu's elbow injury, which he still played through.
@stopplayin05
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Domantas Sabonis is probably the player whose box score overstates his actual value the most, if you look at his stats he seems like a top 15 player but if you actually watch him play he’s not even top 30.
@bradentucker4854
12 күн бұрын
@@stopplayin05 opposite of Kyle Lowry Kyle Lowry would have the worst shooting came of his life but when you watched him play he did so many of the little things not marked down as a stat m
@jonathansykes4986
12 күн бұрын
Kings are a lottery team without Sabonis.
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
@@jonathansykes4986fr these people be saying anything and i am not even a Kings fan.
@crystalizedExposed
12 күн бұрын
@@jonathansykes4986 yeah, if you take a top 30 player off a team and don't replace him they get worse 🤦♂
@gggyy7104
11 күн бұрын
Sabonis is absolutely a top 15-20 player in the league. He's way ahead of someone like Ant Edwards for example
@paythej3476
11 күн бұрын
One of the most underrated players in NBA history is Chris Webber. He was a 5 time all star, ROTY, and made multiple All NBA teams (including 1st team in 01), and even made the hall of fame. He probably doesn’t get his recognition these days because he was on below average teams most of his career. Just remember he still averaged 20 points for his entire career, and never really dropped in the playoffs.
@fortynights1513
9 күн бұрын
Kings were above average, but earlier I could see that argument
@manbo1213
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: With how basketball is played today, point of attack defense is significantly more important and impactful to winning than traditional rim protection. Being able to navigate a pick and roll and effectively defend the perimeter is a more versatile and useful skill set. The value of players with these defensive skills like Derrick White, Jalen Suggs, and Amen Thompson is grossly understated by a lot of fans, though I think front offices are starting to come around.
@patrick05Morgan
12 күн бұрын
I see where you’re coming from but I could see many people disagreeing because regardless of era, shots at the rim are still the most efficient and frequently taken shots that in basketball, and therefore that rim protection can be vital to a great defense. You could suggest that teams like the warriors dominated without a traditional rim presence, but you would also have to account for their talent level, unique playing style, and the fact that they had one of the top 10 best players at the helm of their ship.
@darkvader2024
12 күн бұрын
A bad rim protector vs. a bad point of attack defender. One is far worse for ur defense than the other
@ChibiMalzahar
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Donnovan mitchell should just fucking play point guard. He's a high end shot creator and pick and roll ball handler, and his production always goes up when Garland is out (Garland also mysteriously fell off a cliff in ability). The thing holding the cavs back is their offense, so they need to let their offensive superstar off the leash and give him the ball
@urbaindelva7869
12 күн бұрын
I think that it can be argued that Mitchell is holding Garland back. He should not need to handle the ball as much as he does with Garland next to him, but he still does.
@davidmartinez52420
12 күн бұрын
I think fans need to chill out on ranking current players on all time lists and should wait until the twilight of their careers or the end. We can say they're on pace to be such and such ranking, but let's at least see what they do when all is said and done. Jokic comes to mind as I see a lot of people already putting him in the top 5 or even 3 for centers when he's barely played 10 seasons.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
Agreed. All time rankings are for careers, not potential. Also, being 'on pace' to be top 10 isn't even a thing imo. You can be 'on pace' to score 2000 points in a season, but you can't be 'on pace' to win 4 chips, it's not like you just need to keep averaging 30 to get it done.
@davidmartinez52420
12 күн бұрын
@@tiredbasketballfan Fair, saying someone is on pace to a particular ranking isn't all that great either but I would prefer that over a firm ranking
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
Well gotta keep the same energy for players like Magic then who for example is often considerd a Top 5 player of all time (which is deserved obviously), but still.
@davidmartinez52420
12 күн бұрын
@@kjjr3270 What do you mean? Magic has been retired for almost 30 years, so it's ok to talk about his all time ranking. I'm talking about guys that are currently playing but some fans already have them firmly ranked despite their careers being nowhere near over.
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
@@davidmartinez52420 saying this, cause Magic career was short asf
@klausnebula4432
11 күн бұрын
Lmao you said PG is the best shooter not just best 3-point shooter, as if the mid game or anything else doesn’t exist.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: The terms 'robbed' and 'snubbed' are thrown around way too loosely when it comes to awards, all star selections, etc. If a player happens to *objectively* have the undisputed best case, they almost always do win. These arguments come up a lot when several players have good cases, and people are just mad that it doesn't always go the way they *subjectively* would've wanted.
@donaldf9055
11 күн бұрын
Very few times do people get robbed though but otherwise I do agree with this take.
@tiredbasketballfan
11 күн бұрын
@@donaldf9055 Yeah. It's not that it can't happen, it's that people are crying about it every year
@donaldf9055
11 күн бұрын
@@tiredbasketballfan facts.
@younglove3362
9 күн бұрын
All of you are casuals and just started watching basketball. 🙄
@ghostface3652
12 күн бұрын
And people only call Duncan a Power Foward so he can have the “greatest PF of all time” title when in reality he played more years at Center than power forward
@MindAndMyth
12 күн бұрын
Its not about years but accomplishments. Tim's peak was as a PF. He won the vast majority of his awards and had most of his accomplishments as a PF.
@saturns473
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take Blaming games on the referees and saying they are against certain teams (in recent history is dumb). No the refs aren’t going after lebron or Steph’s teams it’s just they are broadcasted the most on national TV. This makes it easy to nitpick their calls right or wrong.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
I personally watch games regardless of them being on national TV or not. The extra attention Steph and LeBron get is probably due to them having the largest fanbases (including the largest toxic fanbases), and the most media coverage. Blaming everything on the refs or claiming agendas and conspiracies is extreme, but there are definitely some aspects of officiating that make you wonder, especially with the NBA being a business first and foremost
@donaldf9055
11 күн бұрын
Facts!! If you think referees are bad now, imagine how shii they'd be in pre 2010s era 😂. No social media, very few televised games, you couldn't really rewatch games like that unless you were a basketball nerd with shii ton of money or worked with the NBA, like NBA fans ain't shii.
@KoigYT
9 күн бұрын
My hot take is that LeBron has been a SF his whole career because when he’s listed as any other position he still plays the same
@CptRexFilms987654321
11 күн бұрын
I think Greg Poppovich would’ve loved Kevin Garnett on his team. KG was a very loyal player and always had great respect towards his coaches, even when he shouldn’t have lol. There is a real chance Garnett could’ve been even better than he became had he been under Pop’s mentorship. Despite Garnett’s advantage in athleticism, Duncan’s strength and back to the basket game is what ultimately sets him apart from KG and I am a die hard ticket fan. But man woulda been amazing to see em as teammates tho 😮💨
@pakpaksugar5194
12 күн бұрын
my personal low stakes conspiracy theory/hot take is that the backlash to kobe not winning mvp in 06 lead to him winning in 08 over cp3. social media was in its infancy (livejournal and myspace were pretty big i think, people def had personal blogs as well and yt was just beginning to take off) so the backlash would have been fairly noticeable when the awards were announced and i think that subconsciously influenced the voters at least a little bit. not saying that kobe didn’t deserve his win, he definitely did, i just think that the backlash from him not winning in 06 might have influenced all the voters, at least subconsciously
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
I think that Kobe not winning in 06 being hated is a recent thing. Like Rusty's video on the MVP, for most of NBA history, the MVP came from one of the best players on one of the best teams. Whether it is right or not, it was accepted. Russ was the first MVP to win based more on narrative than winning, and since then it has become normalized. As far as some players or casual fans liking or not liking something, Allen Iverson is lionized for losing in the finals and stepping over a role player. If he tried to do that to Kobe, Kobe might have powerbomb'd him. :D I do think the early years of social media at that time is an interesting time to look into, and it may have played a part in Kobe winning in 08. But I don't think people felt like Kobe was robbed, especially since he wasn't even 2nd in the voting.
@pakpaksugar5194
12 күн бұрын
@@shorewall idk I found a br article from 2011 talking about how kobe was robbed of that mvp (it’s 5 years off but it was still pretty long ago). i think even at the time it was seen as a robbery. like people have mandela affected themselves into thinking that kobe finished a very close second behind nash when he finished a pretty distant 4th and that only happens if the narrative that kobe was robbed had existed for a long time so eh. like i said it’s my own personal theory. plus bill simmons was talking about how kobe should’ve been the mvp in 06 on his blog so i do think it was a very popular narrative at the time
@fortynights1513
11 күн бұрын
@@pakpaksugar5194Could it have been fair to argue that Kobe was the best player in the league in 2006 even if you wouldn’t give him the MVP? As for Nash, I think he may have played a tad better in 06 than 05, but that he had a better case the first year being the player that the best team was built around.
@djadondaman17
8 күн бұрын
Mvp doesn't always mean best player in the nba. Also we gotta realize mvps are used to prop up upcoming stars. If 1 player keeps winning mvp yeah they are the best player in the league but it gives the impression that nobody is on his level and to me that's a bad product
@TakeoneDoe
12 күн бұрын
Russel WESTBROOK ( my fav player of all time) has the greatest motor/heart/battery in his back of all time. and thats his GREATEST STRENGTH and GREATEST WEAKNESS. it whats made him a UCLA fringe player to hall of famer HOWEVER, its the same reason why he presses too hard despite declining athleticism.
@chrisuncleahmad
12 күн бұрын
Rusty should do a deep dive on the Cavs/Warriors 4 year stranglehold on the NBA. It was all the more astonishing considering where both teams were in 2011-2012
@fortynights1513
12 күн бұрын
Best team other than those two was probably 2018 Rockets.
@Christo_Trismegistus
12 күн бұрын
Cavs should have won one more title during that time
@urbaindelva7869
12 күн бұрын
@@Christo_TrismegistusWhy should they have won another?
@RealBlueony
12 күн бұрын
@@urbaindelva7869as a cavs fan, we should have won in 2014-15, Kelly Olynyk ripping Love's shoulder out of socket ruined our chances against the warriors in the finals... That being said, we should not have won in 2015-16, it was dramatic and iconic, but if Draymond keeps a cool head, we do not win that series
@urbaindelva7869
8 күн бұрын
@@RealBlueonyWell, Love never had many, if any, great games against the Warriors. From what I understand, he was routinely a target for them offensively. I think the Cavs could've won in 2015 given that they still looked like they could've beaten the Warriors despite their injuries. The Warriors would've won in 2016 if none of that extra stuff happened. The Draymond reason is flimsy to me.
@werderlebenslang4576
12 күн бұрын
I used to think that rusty knows ball but then he said that JR Smith isn't an alltime great.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
Not really hot take: Anyone who says the Warriors should've gotten rid of Draymond long ago is delusional. We can criticize his actions and hold him accountable, but pretending that's all there is to it is just unrealistic. No matter how big a part he played in their failures and their downfall, he played just as big a part if not bigger in their success. Any franchise would gladly take a player that led them to 4 chips, no matter how frustrating it is that they might have been able to get more. More than 4 is better than 4, but 4 is sure better than 0.
@bluedot6926
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Jokic is a better player than Kobe. He is obviously a better playmaker and rebounder, and is a better scorer. I value his efficiency over Kobe's volume. He shoots better than Kobe from every spot on the court except for the ft line where Kobe is a whole 1% better. And in the playoffs he has the volume,efficiency,is the better 3pt shooter and is even a better ft shooter. The only thing Kobe does better is perimeter defence, and I don't think that's enough for him to be the better player. The only hold back I might have,is that he still hasn't played out his career,if he sustains this level for the next 4-5 years it would be definite for me,to be considered the better player. How great he will be considered, will depend on his supporting cast,which hasnt been even even close to other all time great players,and it looks like it will only get worse,unless he signs with some other team when his contract is done.
@joshido7352
12 күн бұрын
It’s a weird comparison because they play in different eras and different positions. Kobe legit had a 12 year peak where he played in the toughest western conference in nba history with the most competition at his position Ieague history. personally take the greater over better approach when ranking players.
@bluedot6926
12 күн бұрын
@@joshido7352 How great someone is, is heavily influenced by external factors. If Kobe, Magic, Bird werent drafted by their teams and didnt play with 15-20 all-stars teammates and in case of Kobe and Magic top 5 players in the world at the time, and instead were drafted by somone like the Clippers, and never had any good supporting casts, and didnt win as much as they did, would you still have them as top 10 players ever? I agree that Jokic isnt greater than Kobe,because Kobe has 5 rings, although he was the 2nd guy on 3 of them, but as far as how good he is and how much he contributes to the team winning? I would absolutely take him over Kobe.
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
@@bluedot6926 If I was starting a team and had to pick someone from NBA history to start that team, I'm picking Joker over Kobe, everyday. I do think that the exercise of comparing eras is more complex than we imagine. However, without going into all that, I def have Joker over Kobe, and I was a kid Lakers fan from the first 3 peat. Kobe blowing up that team and the shit show that followed really hurt my Lakers fandom, and even when they won later, I attributed it to the Big man rotation of Pau, Bynum, and Lamar Odom, because I knew what Kobe could do on his own. Until the pace and space era, Big men were just the most valuable position. Shaq, Timmy, KG, Dirk, Dwight, and I include the Lakers rotation headed by Pau that I mentioned. You had to be really special to win without elite production from the big man position, and Kobe never did.
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
Difficult to compare across pisitions, but i still agree with you. Kobe is still the greater plsyer, but i would rather have a Jokic on my team.
@davis2k1234
6 күн бұрын
@@shorewallKobe haters are so funny for some reason he is the only player in NBA history who was suppose to win with a G League squad and gets punished for playing with other great players and Gasol was a fringe All Star top 10 PF avg 18/10 and Kobe haters act like he was some super star player
@Complexityspaz
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: People need to separate, Better shooter and Better 3 point shooter, Kd is damn near equal from the 3 on a few less attempts while being the goat midrange shooter he’s a better shooter than Paul George
@bigpebis
12 күн бұрын
This hot take relates to the shootarounds SF tierlist: The Jimmy Butler vs Jaylen Brown debate seems to get tons of people confused with who's actually better vs how portable they are. Jaylen Brown is more portable to stick into any team and make it work due to his three point shooting but there's no world in my eyes where he leads a team to the finals or a championship as the clear #1 guy. Jimmy is on the lower end of guys capable of being a great first option, Jaylen is the gold standard of second options.
@esteticamentreprovable5884
12 күн бұрын
TBH Jaylen Brown is the first option when it matters most
@lundoren5240
11 күн бұрын
Jaylen brown was #1 on a championship
@zionhendricks7610
11 күн бұрын
@@lundoren5240 double team Tatum, brown gets daylight to shoot and drive
@bigpebis
9 күн бұрын
@@lundoren5240 he performed the best in that series yes and he deserves all the credit for that but Tatum is still the no. 1 guy on that team. If Jayson had a more efficient series that's the difference between him winning finals mvp or not.
@bigpebis
9 күн бұрын
@@esteticamentreprovable5884 He can be at times but Tatum is still there no.1 guy
@thecoolrich
12 күн бұрын
JR SMITH IS NOT A TOP 200 players of all time
@ballislife4ever476
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take: The two-timeline plan is a terrible idea, as we have seen with the Warriors and Nuggets. Banking on a young player to just increase their production in their first 3 years is unrealistic, and the only reason the Spurs got it done was because Kawhi was technically the only young player on the team.
@Christo_Trismegistus
12 күн бұрын
It got the warriors one title
@ballislife4ever476
12 күн бұрын
@Christo_Trismegistus That was more so Curry going nuclear along with Wiggins being highly efficient; Kuminga and Moody hardly played, and Poole was average in that series.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
@@ballislife4ever476 It does seem like they won a title *despite* the 2 timeline plan, by having enough competent veterans and their stars still being efective.
@michaelkeitof4666
11 күн бұрын
@@ballislife4ever476say what u want about Poole currently but to say he was average in the finals run is just a lie
@michaelkeitof4666
11 күн бұрын
Had the warriors picked Lamelo instead of Wiseman. The 2 timeline could’ve worked
@MstHatd-yg2kd
12 күн бұрын
People definitely legitimately use aura as an argument when ranking players you’d be surprised
@fortynights1513
12 күн бұрын
Aura comes down to aesthetic enjoyment and marketing. It’s a bit subjective at times.
@MstHatd-yg2kd
12 күн бұрын
@@fortynights1513 it’s lowkey a way for people to call players attractive without being “sus”
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
I think it is a shorthand for mental toughness, or intangibles. There are things that we cannot measure, but that we can perceive. And I think Aura is used as a tie breaker when it is too close to call.
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
People who actually use aura as an argument for this kinda convos should actually seek help
@spliffsforbreakfast
11 күн бұрын
I think judging scoring gets complicated when people confuse dominance and versatility. From a practical standpoint, it’s easier to say the dominant scorer is “better” because it’s the easier bucket. From a utility standpoint, the versatile scorer gives their team more options to score. Of course it’s all up to preference but it depends on what you like.. a reliable Swiss Army knife, or a Cleaver that cuts almost anything until it gets shut down by Adebyo and JJJ
@2bluetru
12 күн бұрын
hot take: Shaq and Kyrie are not "the most skilled/dominant players of all time" because that really doesn't have a definition basketball wise. Both are great players but aren't "the best" at anything. Not the best defenders, best shooters, best scorers, best handles or anything like that so people, who like these players, give them these titles. This definitely applies to Kyrie more than Shaq.
@ArthPedro
12 күн бұрын
10:00 bro who's damn knees are that, they big af daaaamn
@reimixo
11 күн бұрын
Kd 57.5% from 2 and 39.5% from 3, PG 48.5% from 2 and 39.2% from 3 By distance 0-3/3-10/10/ -16/16-3pt KD-78.1/49.5/50.8/50.5% PG-65/41.7/41.4/41.9% 😂😂😂😂😂 PG a better shooter than KD 😂😂😂😂😂 And shooting is not just 3pt, and you can use your eyes too... But with statd your argument is void lol
@thetwiggamingchannel9578
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: concerns about young players not being able to shoot are inflated because almost no one can shoot the lights out on an NBA level in their rookie season due to less practice compared to vets, the best example I can think of is someone like Tony Parker who was originally a terrible shooter but bordered on 40% later in his career.
@Christo_Trismegistus
12 күн бұрын
Jason Kidd
@matthewroberts198
12 күн бұрын
@@Christo_Trismegistus You mean "Ason Kidd"?
@thestatusjoe9949
12 күн бұрын
I consider Timmy D top 5 at least, I’d probably put Magic and Kareem (and obviously Jordan and Lebron) ahead of him but that’s it, top 3 isn’t that crazy
@IsraelZGarcia
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take: The Los Angeles Lakers will miss the playoffs this year. The West is too stacked and both Lebron and AD are coming off busy summers with the Olympics and have proven not to be reliably healthy
@MsMrapplepie
12 күн бұрын
I’ll say this, many consider LeBron James to be considered the GOAT, correct? Tim Duncan beat him in the finals multiple times, so at the very least, that should warrant some consideration in how we rank him.
@jacobwotton2875
12 күн бұрын
I’ve said this hot take many times and I think there are so many addition reasons for Tim to be my number third spot. Like the difference between greatest and best player. My heart started beating when I saw the thumbnail because I thought it was my take and the opening seconds was him yelling at a take haha
@evanwrenn402
12 күн бұрын
98% of Basketball fans are completely incapable of properly evaluating a Coach
@younglove3362
9 күн бұрын
And players 🙄
@ghostyguy7536
12 күн бұрын
I think Tyrese maxey will place in mvp voting in the next 5ish years, same way that Scottie pippen got mvp votes after Jordan left, in a less impactful way of course when Joel embiid inevitably gets injured for an entire season some time soon and he had to carry the 76ers on his back I think he’s going to be there soon. Probably not win though.
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
Once Embiid is out of the picture, then Maxey will be able to get some credit. Right now Embiid is protected by the Mainstream Sports Media.
@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen
12 күн бұрын
The KD argueneny about scoring doesn't really line up because he’s one of the most efficient scorers ever.
@jonathansykes4986
12 күн бұрын
Funny how if you’re just a “box score” watcher. Jordan is still #1
@JeffersonSteelflexx
12 күн бұрын
Day 2 of demanding Rusty do a video on the underrated greatness of Raymond Felton!
@Fjdirjejrjrrjdj
10 күн бұрын
Hot take: you should go by newest comment to get more actual hot takes, not just takes that have been liked by a lot of ppl
@juliancoleman-qu5vw
12 күн бұрын
Hakeem all time leader block shots 9th in steals greatest defensive player of all time
@potato958
12 күн бұрын
Dalen Terry is one of the best defenders in the league. With more minutes he is for sure going to be the next jaden McDaniels and will make an all defensive to be a crucial piece in Chicago's rebuild
@argentumoblinit7960
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: If two people are having a debate about which player is better than the other (bird vs magic, lebron vs jordan, etc.), then automatically I will distrust the person who first brings up the "eye test" in support of their side. The person who brings up the "eye test" first might still be able to swing me to their side with other, better arguments, but all-in-all it's not at all a good or useful to being up in a versus debate. Imagine you're putting together an argument for x player being better than y player using all-nba teams, true shooting %, playoff success, and accolades while the other person in the debate starts bringing up the eye test!? It would almost seem like an admission on their end that the objective metrics don't favor their player.
@Christo_Trismegistus
12 күн бұрын
Tom Brady is the GOAT
@donaldf9055
11 күн бұрын
I agree to a certain extent, eye test does matter. You can't bring in stats without eye test and vice versa.
@tomascurti1753
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Ja Morant is the most overrated star in the NBA. A point guard that can't shoot or defend has no business being ranked top 20 by so many people. A certain podcast even put him unanimously in S tier in their point guard list three weeks ago, alongside far better players like Luka Steph and Shai. There's nothing about his game that warrants picking him over Trae, Dame, Fox, Hali or Maxey. People only think he's better because of how flashy his game is.
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
We don't even know what he is anymore. He hasn't played in so long. I want to see him prove it, or his prime could already be over.
@jonathanmalmut2412
12 күн бұрын
Paul Pierce is one of the most overrated players of all time. He was put on the NBA 75th anniversary team purely because of his 2008 championship because the voters who decide this are so incredibly ring obsessed. How can a guy be considered one of the top players of all time when he only had 1 season where he was a top 10 player in the league? (finished 7th in MVP voting in his best season) He was NBA 2nd Team once, and 3rd team 3 times. For a guy to be a top 15 player in the league 4 of his 19 seasons and then be considered one of the greats is just silly.
@DrKnowNothing1
12 күн бұрын
Played in a big market, and had a nickname.
@DanielHudson-vn5kl
12 күн бұрын
Loving JR Smith is quite the hot take in itself...
@didy.kong1128
12 күн бұрын
Hot Take: If we count the bubble ring, we need to count dames mvp
@tiredbasketballfan
11 күн бұрын
His MVP counts as what it is - playing great for 8 games. It's more like a player of the month with a different name. The playoffs weren't just 10% of the games they usually include.
@sdstuff4937
12 күн бұрын
I got Tim Duncan top 3 and have had him there for a while
@iansanzari8431
12 күн бұрын
jr is my favorite player and he showed up at my work once i almost had a heart attack
@Sectrix2pp
12 күн бұрын
Hell nah i even have scottie barnes over tim duncant. Summer league wemby already washes tim duncant. Tim duncant is a bum
@jons1278
12 күн бұрын
What the hell?! Don't compare 40 year old Tim Duncan to new kids on the block. As a SB fan. ;)
@bmillersince92
12 күн бұрын
This ain’t a hot take he has a stake at being the goat in general, 2 MVPs, 15 all defensive selections, 5 championships his career is better than lebron if we being honest
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
Rage bait used to be believable
@taxationistheft7
12 күн бұрын
I know @firestar sits there on twitter saying finals losses shouldn’t matter and not acknowledge that Lebron only made to those finals based on shit competition he faced every year in the east
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
Yep, when we know that some conferences are weaker than the other, just making the finals is not enough. Should the JKidd Nets or AI 76ers be rated higher than the Spurs or Kings just because they made it to the Finals in a weak conference and then got spanked? We know the Spurs and Kings could have spanked them as well.
@rahilbadkul9154
12 күн бұрын
kobe absolutely does not have an argument for top 3.
@Christo_Trismegistus
12 күн бұрын
Tom Brady is the GOAT
@kjjr3270
12 күн бұрын
People who aren't completely biased know that. Its just like the other people want to create a stupid narrative.
@donaldf9055
11 күн бұрын
He does but it's mickey.
@xanderc1225
12 күн бұрын
Y’all acting like dame can’t bounce back
@MikeTheNBAGuy
12 күн бұрын
10 seconds in any nba discussion will tell you most fans allow bias to impact their rankings and thoughts on players
@fridgmanfrustle4376
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Defenders today are just as good if not better than the ones in the 90s and 00s it’s just back then the goal of offense was to get as close to the basket before you shoot which led to inefficient shots it’s harder now because guys are moving smarter and taking better shots
@stevonwhite8933
11 күн бұрын
You’re hamstringing defenders, not allowing them to stay in the basket. Leaving the lane wide open.
@316ray2
12 күн бұрын
"Now I remember why I stopped watching this channel" 17:30 😭😭
@chesterfarrington9853
12 күн бұрын
The favorite meaning overranking people has never been a problem for me. Like Paul George is absolutely one of my favorite guys. Pretty ass basketball from him. He’s a glorified 3 and D guy though let’s be real
@Christo_Trismegistus
12 күн бұрын
Paul George before he got hurt was HIM.
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
It's great that it's not a problem for you, but it's definitely a problem in general. I have no idea how many people suffer from this, and I'd like to believe most NBA fans know what logic means, but I've spoken to too many stupid ones
@heinzchristian4517
9 күн бұрын
Better No bag than no rings
@OrangeSodaKing
10 күн бұрын
Hot take: it doesn't matter if CP3 was traded to the Lakers in 2011-2012 season. They're still not getting through the Thunder.
@matsushitathefifth2862
12 күн бұрын
I’ll say this till it makes a vid, the Bad Boy pistons are the most underrated team in nba history, one of the best defenses with excellent one two punch from the perimeter in Zeke and Dumars. Couple that with Dennis Rodman you have a team that is criminally underrated somehow.
@shorewall
12 күн бұрын
People just hate them. If you're hated, who is gonna sing your song?
@matsushitathefifth2862
12 күн бұрын
@@shorewall well I am a pistons fan so I’ll sing their damn song 😂
@donaldf9055
11 күн бұрын
72 Lakers are much more underrated asw as one of the sixers team in the 80s and the Spurs in 2016/17.
@bradentucker4854
9 күн бұрын
That 30/30 on the pistons is what made me fall in love with ball something about rodman rebounding and defense
@seancm5329
12 күн бұрын
1 view in 33 seconds? Rusty fell off
@tiredbasketballfan
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: Hot takes that go into future specifics (eg, 'Wemby will win 3 MVPs) are not takes, just unbased declarations
@ExtremeEnigma705
12 күн бұрын
Tatum is a very good player, easily top 10 in the league, but the reason people hate him: he's just kind of a dork or "cringey" and unless you're a hard af athlete that talks the talk and backs it up, we don't want you and won't acknowledge your actual athletic ability 🙄
@djadondaman17
8 күн бұрын
Tim Duncan wasn't any of these things and he was always top 3 in his prime
@ExtremeEnigma705
8 күн бұрын
@@djadondaman17 that is a fair point. Maybe I meant like, in the present. People bring Duncan up a lot more now that he's been out of the league for almost a decade now. I also may have just painted with too broad of a statement. 🤷
@Skelly57
12 күн бұрын
Kobe being a candidate for top 3 is the dictionary definition of a polar bear in Arlington, Texas. He doesn't have the extended dominance of guys like Russell, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, etc, and guys like Hakeem, Shaq, and Wilt all have higher peaks.
@colewrld901
12 күн бұрын
Kobe dominated in the toughest era of the west and beat the most 50+ win teams in nba history. He dominated the cream of the crop. That's incredible
@bigbucket3
12 күн бұрын
13 seasons as a top 5 minimum player isn’t extended dominance?
@Skelly57
12 күн бұрын
@@bigbucket3it's dominance but not 8 rings in a row, being a top 2 player for a full decade w/ 3 MVPs, having 6 fucking MVPs, or never missing the playoffs and having a 50+ win season every year. Kobe was dominant but he's just not as dominant as some of these other guys
@bigbucket3
12 күн бұрын
@@Skelly57 rusty already broke down why those 6 MVPs don’t hold a crazy amount of weight, 50 wins every year is a team accomplishment as much as it is Duncan’s accomplishment, bird definitely wasn’t top 2 for the entire 80s lol Erving Kareem and Moses were better til about 82-83 then Michael and Magic were better by 88’
@bigbucket3
12 күн бұрын
@@Skelly57 and you’re not gonna meet too many ppl with more respect for bill Russell than me but 8 rings in a row was possible because they didn’t have free agency back then
@MrBubblecake
11 күн бұрын
“Spacing sucks” is the kinda comment that I feel like could only be made by someone that never played on an actual basketball team. Spacing is the name of the game, if your bigs just clog the paint all game, the defense doesn’t really have to worry about people driving past them from the perimeter, because their own big men are sitting in the paint too, and aren’t forced to step outside it to defend the 3 PT line. When you have big players that can play inside and out, it makes everyone else on your team harder to guard, especially guards who can finish well inside. If you don’t understand that, it’s because you never played basketball growing up post 1999 and are just nostalgic for what you saw on TV in the 90s, before people truly mastered the game.
@kennethxu1789
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: last year people all agreed the west was strong, but there were only really 4 strong teams after kawhi got injured. I could not imagine the warriors, lakers, clippers, suns, pelicans, or kings(😢), making the conference finals. 4 old(relatively) teams and 2 youngish teams that can’t figure it out. I would rather take the knicks or pacers over all 6 of the other teams, and both made a midseason trade to improve.
@2bluetru
12 күн бұрын
what people were saying is that more teams are good, not great, in the west which is true. Kind of like a quantity of solid teams compared to a few quality teams.
@kennethxu1789
12 күн бұрын
@@2bluetru but the east was not lacking for “good” teams. While the giannis dame duo was a disappointment, they were still almost a 50 win team. The knicks were deep (even if thibs never cared) and hit 50 wins. The magic had great defense and paolo and franz looked good. The pacers just got siakim. The sixers fell down to the 7th seed but got their mvp level star back. The heat are the heat. The teams considered “good” in the west were all above 45 wins. The top 8 teams in the east were all above 45 wins. I’m not saying the west wasn’t a stronger conference, but the suns were the only “good”west team expected to do anything in the playoffs, and they got swept.
@ryaneden-ko4zs
12 күн бұрын
Here pretty early 👀
@fortynights1513
12 күн бұрын
Hot take: A potential reason why the shooting guard position as it was played became less valuable is that the pace in the second half of the 90’s and throughout the 2000’s was slower than it is today and pace increased in the 2010’s. The position was arguably more valuable when fewer points were being scored to begin with (ergo: points became a less scarce asset and being able to score at a higher level made you stand out less than it had before), and that arguably goes back to pace increases.
@DrKnowNothing1
12 күн бұрын
Only short SGs became less valuable, because big guys learned to shoot. SG = shooter who can also defend guards in space. Now we have players like that who are 6’6”+, so yes the 6’2” SG did become less valuable.
@Whoisveneno
11 күн бұрын
Hot Take: If Kawhi Leonard wins another championship and FMVP he be better than KD all time and borderline Top 10 player of all time
@MrBubblecake
11 күн бұрын
Kevin Garnett might be the most underrated player of all time. Had he not spent his best years on a terrible Timberwolves team, he would be viewed as top 5. There’s no other player that was as good at offense AND defense combined.
@thhhyymkujttuj
11 күн бұрын
Hot take: Kevin durant isn’t even close to larry bird all time, he is closer to dr j than to bird if anything bird is a better defender passer and rebounder while kd is only better at scoring
@jonathansykes4986
12 күн бұрын
In context of Magic or Bird. Magic has a higher PER, VORP, VORP/48, WS/48, WS, BPM over Bird. So how can Bird be over Magic ??? Also Magic's TS% is 61.0%. Bird's TS% is 56.4% Both played 11.5 seasons in the league. Also Magic started at age 20 whereas Bird started at age 23. The only thing you could say is at their peak, Bird was better than Magic and MAYBE that's true but it's Marginally better.
@ARS_Time_Bomb
3 күн бұрын
No the Warriors did not win the 2019 finals. You're tripping @15:10
@Zy_WillT
10 күн бұрын
KD is most definitely a better shooter than PG. Shooting is not just 3s. And more volume does not automatically mean you're better. PG was given the keys to Indiana, and was playing when Kawhi was not. KD was part of big 3 after big 3 so his shot attempts could have been so much higher. And therefore could have matched PGs efficiency
@tonysobon4669
12 күн бұрын
Timmy will always be very hard to place in all-time lists. He has everything needed to make a top 5 case. Part of the issue is while he wasn't part of a "big3" or stacked rosters they were most years/seasons very well built rosters with a top head coach. The issue I run into is I have KG being the better of the two PF/C players. I know KG only has one ring but most of his prime years were wasted stuck on The T-wolves because of tampering rule that I do not think he even knew about until after the fact. I think even even stayed an extra year when The NBA changed the ruling allowing The T-wolves to build some kind of a team. After MJ , Timmy is in that 5-10 player bubble that I would not debate someone ranking him top 5 or 10.
@jonathansykes4986
12 күн бұрын
Hakeem is nowhere close to top 10. How can bird be close to magic when Magic beat bird twice in the finals with a worse team. Honestly Magic should be a lock at 3 because he had 5 titles with 4 of them as the best player. And 7 (8?) nba finals. Pretty absurd to put Kareem at 3 when all he did was compile stats and only won 1 nba title when half the good players were playing in the ABA. Explain to me like I’m stupid how Kareem is better than Julius Erving. Who else did Wilt have on his team ?? Bill russell was one of the worst offense players of all time! And he had a GOAT coach his entire career!! And still Wilt went to 6 finals!!
@jayanthsambaraju6562
11 күн бұрын
I kinda agree with the KG take, mostly in terms of him clashing with Pop, because we saw Dennis Rodman (much more extreme example but still fits, kinda) and Pop go at it, and Rodman gets traded for pennies as a result. If young KG isn’t fully bought in, then most likely the same result happens. Talent and skill wise they would’ve had the same career but in terms of being the perfect player for Pop, I wouldn’t say so.
@eaglesquirrel6718
11 күн бұрын
Lukewarm take: Jokic is not the undisputed best player in the league right now. It could very easily still be Giannis Hot take about you rusty: you diminish certain players because of their playstyle not working as well in the modern NBA, and it seems almost aesthetically biased sometimes. True pg’s have faded out sure, but pure shot scorers have a role on championship teams (Khris Middleton, cavs jr smith even if he was offball). There is still a place for guys like Malik monk and Tyler herro on a championship team even if it is in the sixth man role
@johncotugnoiii5971
11 күн бұрын
Hot Take: Once the NBA expands and talent is more spread out teams will be more likely to repeat, only argument against it is that maybe 2 teams won't be enough? Even then ehhh, the first couple years they'd probably be trash, but if it's LV and Seattle that might be cancelled out by being a bigger market and a FA destination (I'm not really sure how markets work, just act like they're both big market for sake of the comment)
Пікірлер: 629