@@1NumeroUno 50% 3 point shooter that year. Curry could never.
@deanbrewer7971
3 жыл бұрын
I thought he had 2 LMAO 🤣
@gevanilauzon2079
2 жыл бұрын
“people use platforms that didn’t even exist the last time he wasn’t an elite player to say he’s overrated” is an such an insane line and i didn’t even think of it that way until you said it, lebron is crazy lmao
@raviolihands5347
2 жыл бұрын
A nice way to say "let me give him another participation trophy"
@NewWorldDreams47
Жыл бұрын
@@raviolihands5347 cry about it 😂😂
@landonevans2852
Жыл бұрын
kobe at 11 wheres bill russel larry bird
@apcp7623
2 жыл бұрын
I’m a huge Kobe fan, but not really entirely due to his play on the court, but also his impact on the league and the constant grind that he inspired everyone with after his passing. Rest In Peace to the the Black Mamba #24
@Realest1ne
2 жыл бұрын
As an MJ guy, I respect this list. I don’t agree, personally, but you provided logical arguments. To me it’s just a matter of personal criteria.
@B4rry16
3 жыл бұрын
I love how this guys channel looks like a meme at first glance, but going deeper I've found some of the better analysis on KZitem. Respect
@bruhmoment6620
2 жыл бұрын
If you think this is good analysis, you should raise your standards
@B4rry16
2 жыл бұрын
@@bruhmoment6620 go back to watching Skip and Shannon then
@aidanlandwehr8295
2 жыл бұрын
@@bruhmoment6620 where do you get your analysis from
@bruhmoment6620
2 жыл бұрын
@@B4rry16 this video might seem well thought out, but really he has nobody challenging his “analysis” so what he’s saying might sound smart but it’s really all garbage, how can you have curry and KD above Tim Duncan all time? There’s literally no argument for it
@B4rry16
2 жыл бұрын
@@bruhmoment6620 Nobody cares what you say
@paulschlacter2685
3 жыл бұрын
I love how he brings up Tom Brady multiple times in this video 🤣
@blacker5826
3 жыл бұрын
dude is a literal troll account lol
@AllDayDavis
3 жыл бұрын
You must be new
@comehereson6996
2 жыл бұрын
Brady lives rent free in his head
@AT3toxic
2 жыл бұрын
@@blacker5826 no, he's literally overrated and he has proof
@blacker5826
2 жыл бұрын
@@AT3toxic So why doesn't he argue with Von Allen Sports and rejects everyone's choice to argue with them or not. That is ignorance my friend not proof
@brethrentoall4769
3 жыл бұрын
Wilt was a freak on and off the court 😂😂😂
@quazeilldavis5790
3 жыл бұрын
I literally just realized what he meant by that when I say this comment
@kedharswaminathan7571
3 жыл бұрын
@Grimace He was…. the highlight of the town if you know what I mean.
@calamorta
2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the "who could last on any era" bit
@_franchised_
2 жыл бұрын
💀
@kenrickeason
2 жыл бұрын
@@conquistadorito hell yeah! Have him with a John Stockton or Magic Johnson as PG and rings would drop from the sky..
@joeyjo-joshabadu9636
2 жыл бұрын
"Not all rings are equal" this can not be overstated.
@caidendaniel24
Жыл бұрын
John 3:16 🙏🏽
@МаксимГорюнов-м7и
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, Mickey Mouse ring doesn't count
@victor-pw9im
8 ай бұрын
@@МаксимГорюнов-м7иlol pathetic
@1DJ_416
8 ай бұрын
@@МаксимГорюнов-м7и you Only think that cause Lebron won it
@МаксимГорюнов-м7и
8 ай бұрын
@@1DJ_416 I know that because it's a fact
@Awsomeguy145
3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem is easily the most respectable placement on this list people don’t understand how great he was
@CTifer
3 жыл бұрын
He got that first mega contract, right? I think about 15 million/year
@ap396z
3 жыл бұрын
@@1NumeroUno well to be fair he did get his 2 rings when MJ retired. That was absolutely prime Jordan. Hakeem could have easily finished his career without a ring if Jordan doesn’t retire
@ap396z
3 жыл бұрын
@@1NumeroUno they only played twice a season. And it’s the regular season at that. But I’m not saying the bulls for sure would have won dude. It’s all hypothetical Hakeem has 2 rings and that’s that. It’s cool to think about if Jordan doesn’t retire at his peak tho. It’s hard to imagine anyone on the rockets stopping Jordan in a 7 game series in the nba finals
@ap396z
3 жыл бұрын
@@1NumeroUno nobody said Hakeem was lucky?? All I said was Hakeem got his 2 rings when Jordan retired. and that’s a FACT. Hakeem was unstoppable. Jordan was unstoppable. Man it would have been fun
@eternalboss1046
3 жыл бұрын
@@1NumeroUno Hakeem did outplay Shaq in the 95 finals, but since you like to post the stats when player's teams face off here is Hakeem vs Shaq when their teams went head to head for their careers. Don't give me the excuse that Hakeem was older for some of this, because Shaq was young for some of it as well. Don't give me the "right under the basket" or tell me you don't care for Shaq's FG% either because unless it's a 3 a FG made is factually 2 points. A mid range shot is not worth more than a make right at the rim. This is their head to head overall no cherry picking specific games: Reg Season (20 games) Shaq: 22 PTS / 54.4 FG% / 12 REB / 4 AST / 1 STL / 2 BLK Hakeem: 18 PTS / 44.7 FG% / 9 REB / 3 AST / 1 STL / 2 BLK *Shaq + 4 PTS, + 9.7,FG% + 3 REB, + 1 AST Single Game Highs for each during this stretch: Shaq: 34 PTS / FG% 70 / 20 REB / 8 AST / 2 STL / 6 BLK Hakeem: 31 PTS / 64.7 FG% /15 REB / 9 AST / 5 STL / 6 BLK Playoffs (8 games) Shaq: 29 PTS / 55.6% / 11 REB / 5 AST / 0.5 STL / 3 BLK Hakeem: 23 PTS / 46.5% / 9 REB / 3 AST / 2 STL / 1 BLK *SHAQ + 6 PTS. + 9.1 FG%, + 2 REB, + 2 AST, + 2 BLK *HAKEEM + 1.5 STL Single Game Highs for each during this stretch: Shaq: 37 PTS / 64.7 FG% / 16 REB / 9 AST / 2 STL / 5 BLK Hakeem: 35 PTS / 76.9 FG% / 15 REB / 7 AST / 3 STL / 4 STL Remember, Wilt "blasted" Russell because of stats, so per your logic the overall stats favor Shaq when they went head to head. Shaq blasted Hakeem more than Hakeem blasted him. Make excuses about Shaq's size all day here, yet you did not give Russell a pass for being smaller than Wilt. I am just applying your logic to this subject here.
@CardGuy
3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact. Hakeem has a 13-10 record against MJ
@dantealoving
3 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan has a 21-15 record against LeBron James including 11-5 in the playoffs.
@bobjones3986
3 жыл бұрын
@@dantealoving but not as a dominant player, but which hinders his individual impact
@dantealoving
3 жыл бұрын
@@bobjones3986 I agree. Just like Hakeem was not as dominant as Jordan.
@bobjones3986
3 жыл бұрын
@@dantealoving you’ll find no argument here, but what I will say is Hakeem contributed to those wins against Jordan more than Duncan against Lebron.
@indmslikedeez8005
3 жыл бұрын
@@bobjones3986 Tim was more dominant than bron, he sacrificed stats for the betterment of the team, something bron never did. That’s why Tim won 4 rings in 10 years and bron barely winning 4 in 17. When has bron ever recorded a quadrupole double like Duncan? Why did Duncan never miss the playoffs like bron has?
@hamishclark3171
2 жыл бұрын
I respect your list, and how you included Hakeem, KD and Curry but I believe that Tim Duncan is a top 5 all time because of the how he kept the spurs in playoff contention for his whole career, his finals mvp as a somophore and how he basically made Greg Poppovich great
@tj5180
2 жыл бұрын
It's a crime Duncan didn't win dpoy. His defensive longveity was good. Anchoring great defenses since 2014
@tpsam
Жыл бұрын
He says he like peak a lot but bird is so low and goes nitpicking his playoffs success but doesn't with curry and kd
@Jqles
Жыл бұрын
@@tpsamhe criticized durant and curry a lot but they transcended the game so much more than Bird. Yes it was very fun watching Celtics vs. Lakers but at the same time there were only a couple other good teams
@jamesbrads4414
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate his point about bigs not being able to initiate the offense. It's what makes players like Durant, Giannnis, and Joker so valuable. They keep the size advantage and the ability to shoot over anyone while still having the ball in there hands to start the offense.
@y2bangali
2 жыл бұрын
I know KD is basically a 7 footer but he’s far from a big. He’s literally a wing player because of his size+frame. Can’t really bunch him up with Giannis and Jokic as being a big when KD is likely the easiest 7footer that any big can back down.
@ILLUSI_O_N-V1
2 жыл бұрын
@@y2bangali there’s a reason that KD is a SF at 7 fucking feet tall 😂
@the757general2
2 жыл бұрын
KD is hardly a big. He might be near 7 foot, but he's too skinny to be considered a big. LeBron is way bigger than KD despite both playing the same position.
@Jollofmuncher2000
2 жыл бұрын
@@the757general2 yep. Tend to be muscly maybe a bit chunky while kd is the most lanky dude in the nba. Works to his advantage but he's more of a sg
@markelcarter9674
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I believe MJ had the greatest peak of all time and LeBron have the greatest longevity of all-time
@HopsinThaGoat
2 жыл бұрын
That’s honestly the best way to look at it and I’m someone who thinks Lebron is the greatest
@alexsolimani
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself.
@leultrainstinct406
2 жыл бұрын
Facts. It all depends on which on you value more but they’re 1&2 all time. Lebron solidified himself as a top 2 player nothing below that. Personally it’s more impressive that Lebron has been so consistent for this long on top of being the most complete player ever all in the most talented era. So he’s my goat
@moneyiscool29
2 жыл бұрын
@@leultrainstinct406 He is not the most complete player ever.
@chambeet
2 жыл бұрын
Summed it up well.
@g1yde
2 жыл бұрын
The thing is MJ's finals opponents were considered weak (for his standards) apart from maybe Phoenix or the Supersonics. But the road to getting each of those finals might've been tougher matchups overall. Also the Jazz were healthy coming into the finals in 1997 and 1998 against MJ with the flu and the year after Scottie being injured, so I wouldn't say the Bulls had 'easy' finals matchups to start with.
@xavierd725
2 жыл бұрын
HIV magic, clyde drexler choking, solid suns team, mid sonics squad, and two jazz teams full of chokers
@chief6541
Жыл бұрын
mj beat more 60-win teams in the playoffs than any other player
@R4nk3rz
Жыл бұрын
@@chief6541number of games won dont mean anything, kd warriors didnt even win 60 games in 2019 and they still would beat almost any team ever
@colebresnehen38
Жыл бұрын
@@chief6541 that doesn’t say everything though considering the amount of shitty expansion teams in the 90’s who were considered free wins
@jarlbalgruuf7701
Жыл бұрын
The Eastern conference was considered tougher in Jordan era compared to lebrons Era where the Eastern conference was weak was even nicknamed the “Leastern Conference”
@whitemamba24xe98
3 жыл бұрын
Tom Brady motivated LeBron James to play basketball and win championships
@ruebenllongoria836
2 жыл бұрын
He should get credit for lebrons rings. 11 rings. Tied with Bill Russell
@gravoligaming3970
2 жыл бұрын
@@ruebenllongoria836 6+4=11 now
@ruebenllongoria836
2 жыл бұрын
@@gravoligaming3970 Brady has 7 rings. Lebron has 4. 7+4=11…
@chichis5757
2 жыл бұрын
@@gravoligaming3970 lol didnt take math huh?
@Lord_Talha
3 жыл бұрын
Big respect for putting Hakeem at #4. He was simply amazing.
@martinaguilargonzalez7281
3 жыл бұрын
Yh people don’t get than by his second year in the league he went to the finals and beat the showtime lakers in 5 and lost to the best Celtics in 6. If he had Ralph Sampson all his career he could easy have more than 2 championship
@KG-jw4jg
3 жыл бұрын
U think this list is good? I think this is a troll buddy 😂 u think Curry is better than timmy, kobe, shaq, and bird? Youre just as delusional as him
@ryfybeatz1291
3 жыл бұрын
@@KG-jw4jg yes curry would destroy trash bird
@ryfybeatz1291
3 жыл бұрын
@@KG-jw4jg look at curry man so inspirational getting casual fans pissed off
@2cansam196
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryfybeatz1291 I bet your inspiration is flight reacts I’ve never seen such a fanboy
@wephilips6651
7 ай бұрын
It’s wild how so many people online have Kobe as their 1-3 pick when there’s no real objective metric for having him that high
@joemamma137
3 жыл бұрын
I love that even with the number 3 player ever, you still had a shitload of criticism. Very enjoyable video.
@adriancastaneda786
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree with some of it, but I’m not nearly as knowledgable as you or anybody else so I can’t defend myself outside the realm of personal preference. Anyways, you’re lists make me think, make me wonder, and sometimes, convince me. Awesome vid! Lol, still snuck in a Brady insult. Love it.
@harleyinglis1357
2 жыл бұрын
Some of the things were manipulated though he left out parts like MJ team before pippen MJs best statistical seasons and playoff runs while adding it in for lebron and other players when it suited lebron or other players best best, not to mention leaving out defense when it suited the player he wanted to rank high and adding the fact they were poor defensively for instance magic johnson being low because of his sub-par defense when he was trying to defend his position. There was very little consistency when arguing his positions sometimes longevity was more important sometimes accolades and sometimes versitility even though that means nothing it is what you do with that versitility.
@-ac-8296
2 жыл бұрын
The author of this video is wrong on so many levels, he knows next to nothing
@Rekcha
2 жыл бұрын
@@-ac-8296 This is a sentence that accidentally perfectly describes its own creator.
@-ac-8296
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rekcha your sentence describes you its creator? It's strange for you to use circular self referencing
@riccobaffa1886
Жыл бұрын
I love the Hakeem pick at #4! The man is criminally underrated. 👍
@Kingofhoops5
Жыл бұрын
Yup
@DanxPSN412
3 жыл бұрын
Saw Duncan at 12 and knew I was in for a wild ride…
@teehiggins5734
2 жыл бұрын
@@elijahrincon3586 because they’re simply better than guys like Kobe and shaq
@teehiggins5734
2 жыл бұрын
@@elijahrincon3586 Kobe was WAYYY overrated he was ok at best in the playoffs, a complete ball hog, an overrated shooter, and the best aspect of his game was scoring and he isn’t even a top 5 scorer all time shaqs Close but had to short of a prime to be better than steph and KD
@andrewpriest2820
2 жыл бұрын
@@teehiggins5734 the day steph curry is better than shaq is the day i kill myself
@DTB1995
2 жыл бұрын
@@teehiggins5734 defense
@y2bangali
2 жыл бұрын
I understand why some people can get upset at seeing KD and Steph being ranked so high, but keep in mind that both of this guys had to go against LeBron, and was able to dominate at certain rare points in this LeBron era. The reason we rank LeBron so high is also due to the level of competition so we also have to his competition the same respect.
@peterikenye2159
2 жыл бұрын
This dude has genuinely got really good reasons for all his placements.
@bibim0
2 жыл бұрын
Even though you disagree, you still want to watch. That's good content right there.
@DMVGREY
2 жыл бұрын
Hes the only person to make me reconsider the lebron goat case
@andrewarnold9751
2 жыл бұрын
Right? I don’t agree with the order of all of the players on this list. I don’t disagree with the rationale or arguments he makes though. At all.
@mrpoopybutthole2269
2 жыл бұрын
You can make anything sound good if you only say positive points to make your arguments sound good for example he talked about Jordan competition in the finals but he didn’t talk about the road to the finals where Mj and Kobe faced more 50+ wins teams then Lebron have even though he’s played longer
@mrpoopybutthole2269
2 жыл бұрын
Also imagine if Jordan just left and joined the rockets back in the day like of course they would win every year who was Miami suppose to lose to when Lebron joined them realistically?? Nobody
@reuvenroslynesq8954
2 жыл бұрын
I love how he focuses on players' flaws. These lists always only talk about their strengths so they seem arbitrary along the margins.
@argyleeuphoria6200
3 жыл бұрын
Magic Johnson is writing a book to raise awareness about how to avoid HIV. Chapter 1? “Don’t Have Sex with Me.” - Norm Macdonald
@aj_5339
3 жыл бұрын
This is probably the strongest case for Hakeem being top five I've ever seen and I'm someone who also has him there
@mike04574
3 жыл бұрын
Top 8 at best
@ivanpuzjak821
2 жыл бұрын
@@mike04574 Great argumentation.
@mike04574
2 жыл бұрын
@@ivanpuzjak821 common sense, no need for any arguments. Never seen him in a top3 or 4 before either
@krosses7156
2 жыл бұрын
@@mike04574 appealing to common sense is fallacious reasoning
@mike04574
2 жыл бұрын
@@krosses7156 then you can be the odd one out putting hakeem in your top 3 or whatever then. take 10 seconds to look at the guys above him and you'll know why they are above hakeem
@kkbaby30
2 жыл бұрын
Thinking Basketball's video on Lebron at 37 explains a lot of his continued success. I think, just like MJ, Bron came into the league at the right time. Only one year in the "Deadball Era" and the game gets increasingly easier offensively. For MJ, it's right at the time the media was looking for an athlete in a team sport to build a story around, and MJ's flair was the best selling point. Timing is everything!
@lolno6975
Жыл бұрын
Yes but the difference is Bron came into a team that couldn't care less. MJ had a team willing to give him the pieces necessary to win. You cannot deny that.
@rafikz77
Жыл бұрын
@@lolno6975 true
@thesharinganknight9859
Жыл бұрын
Michael had god tier teammates, LeBron never had overwhelmingly good teammates
@rafikz77
Жыл бұрын
@@thesharinganknight9859 Facts
@NewWorldDreams47
Жыл бұрын
@@thesharinganknight9859 that's tough, but Wade, Kyrie and AD are his best teammates. As far as consistency was concerned, they all fell apart at the wrong time. Wade was moving past his prime. Not done yet, but it was around '15/'16 that he started getting moved around to different teams. Kyrie is Kyrie. Doesn't need much explanation. And AD fell apart right at the end of Bron's prime, which just shrank his window of opportunity. Jordan didn't have the same issues with his teammates, so he had an easier path. Both are still great and can't be lower than 1/2
@georgecastle18
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with almost everything on this list and I think MJ vs LeBron at this point is just based on opinion and what stats you think are most important. I also like how you had KD and Curry in the top 10 because whether people want to admit it or not, this era is so much harder than the 60s,70s,80s and people tend to overrate old players just because they are old players.
@mathamsettysreeprajwal1535
2 жыл бұрын
Old heads tend to make the best players of their generation look perfect and like to diss onkdern players and talk as if their era was hardest
@Gabriel-cg9tj
2 жыл бұрын
I mean Kd doesn’t deserve 6tho rather upper 10… he isn’t good alone and a pussy mentally
@brianbentz9143
2 жыл бұрын
Or curry is just top ten
@king-ghost1027
2 жыл бұрын
TD, & kobe are in the top 8,, idc what anybody says,, kobe and Duncan are better than shaq and wilt
@georgecastle18
2 жыл бұрын
@@king-ghost1027 yeah those are the only two I was a little confused about
@jcplays3842
2 жыл бұрын
I like lebron more than MJ but MJ has the most interesting stat i’ve seen. Jxmyhighroller made a vid on this but there was a crazy stat someone noticed about MJ. He went 9 straight years without losing 3 games in a row. Beside his own teammates no other player has come close. Goes to show how much this man despised losing,
@sehapoul7097
2 жыл бұрын
I mean LeBron kinda played with a Cavs team that lets just say wasnt the best
@moneyiscool29
2 жыл бұрын
@@sehapoul7097 He just made the finals cuz east sucked.
@ballsballsballs3617
2 жыл бұрын
@@moneyiscool29 how the fuck did the east suck?? The Celtics big 3? The raptors were young but derozan has proved this yesr he always been elite the raptors just couldn’t overcome lebron which is very u understandable and an elite Paul George in a scrappy packers team like dude that’s such a weak ass excuse
@tmcwas3717
2 жыл бұрын
@@sehapoul7097 he also played in an east where I could lead them to the playoffs
@federalfreemoneylackofrese9937
2 жыл бұрын
You sure you would at 23?
@young305ovoxo
Жыл бұрын
The LBJ 🍆 🚴🏾 never stops lol
@Clutchassassin
3 жыл бұрын
Putting Tim Duncan number 12 is blasphemious
@Exhibit10
3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah lmao
@kcartiertalksball
3 жыл бұрын
based on his criteria that’s right abt where he should be
@allensalinas23
3 жыл бұрын
No
@Clutchassassin
3 жыл бұрын
@@kcartiertalksball he's top 10 in rebounds and blocks and he won 3 final mvps
@kcartiertalksball
3 жыл бұрын
@@Clutchassassin the criteria wasn’t total rebounds and final mvps read the criteria and rethink what you said
@paulreid2191
3 жыл бұрын
I genuinely don’t understand why you don’t get more views/subs
@WarrenJr1996
3 жыл бұрын
Because he needs to do more content like this instead of trolling all the time. He has serious data analysis talent
@JServo
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed with above^ I can't imagine the effort time and talent that goes into producing narrating and editing this stuff but as funny as Barry trolls are on Twitter his talent in this regard really deserves more mass appeal. Like, nationally.. but, for better or worse.. his reputation proceeds him.
@antonioiniguez1615
3 жыл бұрын
@@JServo I've documented how far every one of Brady's completed passes traveled in all of his SBs and other stuff like that and it takes forever. Barry does that all the time for many different players and for different sports. It's insane.
@antonioiniguez1615
3 жыл бұрын
@@lightning10053 he's definitely very football smart. He knows what he's talking about. He's not a lunatic like Stephen A. Smith is.
@WarrenJr1996
3 жыл бұрын
I think Barry and the basketball channel “thinking basketball” would be a great collab.
@gabrielguerrero3404
Жыл бұрын
16:53 woah woah woah dominated baby shaq not prime Shaq. I’ll tell you one thing take the best team lebron has ever had and put it against the best team MJ has had and MJ wins guarding lebron while MJ drops 40 each game
@dominicharris5489
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@antonioiniguez1615
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know much of anything about basketball as I've only very casually followed it for a few years but your reasoning was extremely sound.
@christopherbeaman8591
3 жыл бұрын
Good list. Did wilt a little dirty though. It’s impossible to say how he’d do today, but I like to believe he would be a top 2-3 player. Winning finals MVP his final season too.
@mobge3904
3 жыл бұрын
This is a terrible list are you stupid
@anonymousaccount9694
3 жыл бұрын
Gotta keep in mind team impact wily is not a team guy
@kurtcounty8703
2 жыл бұрын
Shaq higher than wilt is atrocious
@mattthomas1442
2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna argue Wilt's ranking but you bring up good points about the pace of play and him playing worse in the playoffs, those are valid criticisms, I just hate when people knock him cause of his competition, like he should be penalized for being a physical and athletic freak. It's not his fault that there were no other guys walking the Earth at that time that had his combination of size, strength and athleticism. Extreme example but lets say there was some 8ft freak that came into the league today and put up Wilt like stats for 15 years. Should we downplay it or penalize him just cause he is physically more dominant than everybody else? I don't think so.
@Rekcha
2 жыл бұрын
I think you have to consider the average talent level of the entire league of each era. Sports in general have many more highly talented players now than back in Wilt’s prime. As another extreme example, there was a time in football when they thought an onside kick could be a better offensive tool than the forward pass. Players are just better and coaches are just smarter now, and would likely (although not definitely) compete with Wilt better than the players back then, if for no other reason than better strategy. He’s a wonderful player to watch, though, and my grandmother said he was even more wonderful in bed.
@universalplayz7496
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rekcha well no one in the modern Era is a better athletic then wilt so idk why the Era argument even matters. Also he had to play a HOF center 60 times a year that's something no one does today
@VelaniTheOne
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rekcha Bill Russell, John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, Sam Jones, Bob Pettit, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Walt Bellamy, Kareem, and Willis Reed, so yeah, a bunch of talentless nobodies. You can only dominate the competition ahead of you, what more can you expect?
@MovieGuy666
Жыл бұрын
@@Rekcha noope... the modern players would be restricted by the rules of that era, a lot of the things that make them great weren't even around back then. Your whole people are smarter today is nonsense.
@slivovitz1683
Жыл бұрын
@@universalplayz7496 stop believing myths wilt himself started. There's no footage of him demonstrating athletic ability beyond the athletic big men in the games history and today
@bankrolls123
3 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan needs to be higher. He did it on both sides of the ball and was a phenomenal leader. 5 rings 3FMVP 2 MVP ROY 15X AS 15X All NBA 15X All Defense. Not a chance in hell this guy is outside the top 10. Averaged 15-9 in the 2014 playoffs at 37! years old and won the championship. He has a winning percentage of 72% over his entire career!! Made the playoffs every single year. Arguably one of the best careers ever, while doing it in the modern NBA. You state he would be higher if he had a more "dominate peak" which you only talked about his scoring and there is a lot more to basketball than that.
@goodman9968
3 жыл бұрын
0:09 He said he focused mostly on their peak when making this list. u deaf?
@jamman950
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodman9968 it should be peak and longevity
@itzmjay9175
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamman950 he said peak and longevity throughout the video….
@johncena4096
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDudeAbides1998 nice joke
@imfrederic2312
2 жыл бұрын
Duncan also has a winning record against every single team in the NBA
@hardybryan
3 жыл бұрын
Duncan's peak productivity is lowered by his team being the slowest paced in the league. Per possession, he's actually right there with a lot of the other all-time great bigs. He's also better than Kobe and should be above Shaq, KD, Curry, and probably Hakeem. I always argue for Hakeem being in the top 10, which isn't the most popular opinion in itself, but top 4 is just too high. How he's above Magic is just insane. Sorry, but actually accomplishing things matters more than not being the reason you didn't accomplish something. Offensively Magic had a better career FG% as a PG than Hakeem did as a C and it's not because all he did was get lay ups and dunks. People talk like Magic was Ben Simmons or something. He was a career 85% FT shooter who in his last 3 seasons started shooting 3's more regularly and shot them respectfully for the time. Everyone is so quick to insist Mike would have developed a 3 in the modern game, but seem to think that Magic wouldn't have despite the fact he was actually a very good shooter (albeit with an awful looking form). Don't even get me started on the advanced stats you love to throw out there when they're in your favor. Magic buries Hakeem in those. And if you can't even find a spot for Bill Russell and have Tim Duncan outside the top-10 I just don't want to hear about defense from you. Steph and KD are way too high.
@tj5180
2 жыл бұрын
How is duncan out of top 10 and hakeem was a better defender and scorer also post game and mid range and peak, probably one of the best playoff runs in history, has the edge in longveity. The only thing magic was better at then hakeem was obviously passing
@tj5180
2 жыл бұрын
I hate when people say magic is ben simmons. There game isn't even close lol
@nameless8435
Жыл бұрын
Agree with everything
@maxherzog3287
2 жыл бұрын
This aged well for steph
@petrosavich7208
3 жыл бұрын
My top ten is 1. MJ 2. Bron 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Larry 6. Wilt 7. Kobe 8. Timmy 9. Shaq 10. Hakeem 11. Steph 12. KD Basically the ppl he mentioned re arranged
@nasirulrich2148
3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem at 10 is so disrespectful See no matter where you put everyone someones gonna be mad
@jakeronquillo2134
2 жыл бұрын
I respect wilt
@TheTonytone77
2 жыл бұрын
Ur list is far better then his minus lebron
@gregkareem9824
2 жыл бұрын
Switch kd and steph on 11 and 12 and bird Switch with magic 4 5 and were good
@gregkareem9824
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTonytone77 found a Bron hater living rent free on yo head
@eternalboss1046
3 жыл бұрын
"Bill Russell overrated" time to educate casuals on NBA history: The Celtics the year before Russell arrived (55/56): Lost E. Div. Semis. Red was coach, and they had Cousy + Sharman + McCauley + Risen. The Celtics the 1st year Russell arrived (56/57): They lose McCauley, Defensive rating improves by 7.7, and they win the finals. The Celtics had never won a title or made a finals prior to this. The Celtics the 2nd year with Russell (57/58): Make the finals, Russell gets hurt in game 3 of the finals, and the Celtics lose the finals. RIsen's last year. Sam Jones first year. (58 to 66) The Celtics 8 peat. Throughout this time Sharman leaves and they keep winning. Havlicek yet to arrive for some of these titles, and Cousy gone for some of them and they still kept winning. Red retires as coach in 66. The Celtics 11th year with Russell (66/67): They Lost E. Div. Finals. This marks the only playoff series in Russell's NBA career that his team lost with him healthy for the full series. The Celtics win the title Russell’s last 2 years and Red was no longer the coach. The first year after Russell retires. (68/69): Their defensive rating gets worse by 9.8 and they miss the playoffs. *Took the Celtics 5 years after Russell to make and win another finals. Celtics with Russell titles won without notable pieces: Without Jones: 1 title Without Sharman: 7 titles Without Cousy: 5 titles Without Risen: 9 titles Without Havlicek: 6 titles Without Heinsohn: 3 titles Without coach Red: 2 titles (Russell was actually the coach for these while being a player) The Celtics were not champions before Russell, were as soon as he arrived, and fell off immediately after Russell left. This was also with a lot of notables coming and going. Jones and Red were the only most of career major pieces with Russell and the Russell lead Celtics still managed titles without them in the small windows without them. None of these notables won a title or made a finals in Boston without Russell being with them. The Celtics employed more of an equal opportunity offense without having 1 player taking a massive amount of shots or having high PPG. Regardless if offensive talents came or left they kept racking up rings with Russell anchoring the defense and facilitating the fast break, being a secondary coach to Red on the floor, and then for the last 2 rings being the actual coach. Russell's FG% was actually a little over average relative to his era, and he is arguably the greatest defender ever and greatest leader ever + being a MT. Rushmore rebounder. He was just not a dominant scorer over his career, but him being that would not have made his team better, and he actually lead his team in the finals 3 times in scoring when they needed it.
@rhythmlessroxby
3 жыл бұрын
Extremely well put, thank you for this
@eternalboss1046
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhythmlessroxby You're welcome and thank you for taking the time to read it.
@ckq
3 жыл бұрын
Weak era.
@ZyperSide
3 жыл бұрын
To add on, the NBA 25th Anniversary Team was selected by a panel consisting of Red Auerbach, Ned Irish, Eddie Gottlieb, Haskell Cohen, Danny Biasone, Lester Harrison, Fred Zollner, Ben Kerner, Fred Schaus, and Bob Feerick. Then the 25 nominees were voted on by the players who had been named 1st Team All-NBA up to that point. Bill Russell was the only unanimous selection to the team, and only players who had completed their careers and had been named All-NBA at least once were eligible. Russell was also selected as the greatest player on the NBA 35th Anniversary Team.
@goddammitnappa1617
3 жыл бұрын
@@ckq yes, bc bill or any other player in history has complete control over the era in which they played in.
@elprincenyc
2 жыл бұрын
his list 12-Tim Duncan 0:23 11-Kobe Bryant 1:30 10-Wilt Chamberlin 3:24 9-Shaquille Oneal 5:18 8-Larry Bird 7:18 7-Stephen Curry 10:10 6-Kevin Durant 12:12 5-Magic Johnson 14:04 4-Hakeem Olajuwon 16:18 3-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 18:28 2-Michael Jordan 21:24 1-Lebron James 25:35
@spaceghostflame3500
2 жыл бұрын
thanks so much
@glenn7152
Жыл бұрын
Where in hell is Dr.J"!
@glennphillips7639
Жыл бұрын
@@glenn7152 nice name
@someshsaharan5813
Жыл бұрын
KD over Steph is a joke
@foreverImperial
Жыл бұрын
my biggest problem is that as a knicks fan don't give me hate here that bill russel isn't on here and wilt is I get that wilts numbers may be better but nobody has dominated basketball like bill russel ever
@eternalboss1046
3 жыл бұрын
How is Duncan #12 by all of these criteria? He is arguably the top of longevity (2nd most all NBA teams + most all defensive teams ever. 15 each for a combined 30 which is the highest All NBA + All Def combo ever). His competition level was great: Shaq, KG, Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, KD. Playoff performance try being the Spurs best player for 4 championship runs (99. 03, 05. 07). His 03 playoff run was one of the biggest carry jobs of all time. Peak is the only area where I could see the case for not top 10. The rest he is easily top 10. Also, lol at Curry being above Bird.
@AJ-sl7be
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevemenzies3822 no
@ImMeE19
3 жыл бұрын
He said kd was better than Tim all time ..
@indmslikedeez8005
3 жыл бұрын
@@AJ-sl7be yes. Duncan is 2-1 against him in the finals (should be 3-0), more chips, defensive teams, better leader, teammate, could play in any system, won a chip in each decade, bron is nowhere near Duncan plz stop
@samn.3457
3 жыл бұрын
curry is better than bird....
@eternalboss1046
3 жыл бұрын
@@samn.3457 lol no
@Andrew-tl1jl
3 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with this list, I only disagree about these, Tim Duncan, Wilt and Possibky Kobe. Here are my reasons Tim Duncan: He should be higher according to ur criteria. Longevity: Check. Playoff Performance: Check. Team Success: Check. Peak: Check-ish. Wilt: I don’t think he should be listed on any list because of the unknown. We make so much assumptions about him... He played in a very old era which there wasn’t many social medias and some stats weren’t recorded. So it’s hard to rank him. Kobe: I think he can be number 11. The stats doesn’t favor Kobe at all. He didn’t have a long career because of his Achilles injury. I might argue he should be higher than Shaq. Also, not related but this is my take on “ifs” in ranking players. What if’s should be off the conversation because it’s all about bias and it would be extremely hard to rank. Like if ur a Jordan fan you would probably say what IF he didn’t retire for baseball look at how many rings he would have and they would also say what IF he got the modern medicine and treatment as today. And if you’re a Lebron fan you would be like What IF the warriors didn’t exist? What if Lebron got the teammates Jordan had? See this is the problem, if ur a Jordan fan you would only bring up what if’s about Jordan and if ur a Lebron fan you would only bring up what IFS about Lebron to make the argument whose better.
@codyrhoudes379
2 жыл бұрын
kobe played 20 years
@codyrhoudes379
2 жыл бұрын
and his injury was year 16
@codyrhoudes379
2 жыл бұрын
@Coregame3 i was disagreeing with the post agreeing with you.
@codyrhoudes379
2 жыл бұрын
@@Coregame3 one comment up ⬆️
@gregkareem9824
2 жыл бұрын
Nigga wrote a whole paragraph just to explain his listening it's never that serious 😭😭😂💀
@CountFisco
Жыл бұрын
The unwavering commitment to Tom Brady slander is what keeps bringing me back to this channel
@tjkale1800
Жыл бұрын
Y’all are weird asf
@carstenschau3105
2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see what your list would look like now after about a year has gone by and with Curry winning another ring
@rolltide9897
2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for
@JRGT9
Жыл бұрын
And Lebron being the all-time leading scorer. Even though I guess that wouldn’t change his rank
@HayabusaRyu
Жыл бұрын
Steph led golden state to another ring and was the best player during the finals. His spot on this list is solidified
@darkmasage
Жыл бұрын
Not at number 7 he’s top 15 tho
@gggyy7104
3 жыл бұрын
Curry at 7 and KD at 6 🤣 I CAN’T are you sure you watch basketball?
@allensalinas23
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Ruhegames
3 жыл бұрын
he gives facts for why ther are placed they’re and how they changed the game are u sure u watch basketball? or espn? or undisputed? or listen to former nba players talk about KD and steph?
@gggyy7104
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ruhegames the ‘facts’ are nothing but opinions
@gggyy7104
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ruhegames changing the game means nilch
@Ruhegames
3 жыл бұрын
@@gggyy7104 really? showing what they averaged in playoff series and in finals are opinions? are u dumb?
@kylez9094
2 жыл бұрын
Duncan slander: all around on offense, one of the best defenders ever, won 70% of his games, never missed the playoffs for damn near 20 years. Dude is a winner
@producedbykhireyakeem4340
2 жыл бұрын
And what that mean? Duncan’s last couple of seasons suck
@txboy2276
2 жыл бұрын
@@producedbykhireyakeem4340 like most people’s last seasons don’t? please explain how amazing mj was on the wizards
@the757general2
2 жыл бұрын
@@producedbykhireyakeem4340 yeah no. He made an All-NBA team in his 18th season.
@grasssanta5936
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, Duncan has many incredible accomplishments not to mention the level of competition he faced regularly, with teammates that are nowhere near as great as other teammates that top 10-12 greats played with, while also playing in one of the slowest paced decades in NBA history on one of the slowest paced teams as well and remaining a consistent threat on both defense and offense for nearly 20 years
@09lowkey
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you add real context to your evaluation of players. All the good, and all the bad. Respect.
@ilhamakbarhindarto1186
2 жыл бұрын
Houston chose Hakeem and no one blames the organization. That's how good he was.
@rafikz77
2 жыл бұрын
MJ fans in the comments hurt by truth and facts 😂
@Thanosdidtherighthing
2 жыл бұрын
Player Efficiency Rating
@matthewbandieri7317
Жыл бұрын
It's funny you don't mention how lebron joined 3 different super teams to win his rings
@c14nonyt85
Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how lebron is still extending his career and now has more points than anyone ever in the nba while still being overrated and he didn’t even take a 2 year baseball break.
@iiamsopoorakashi8122
Жыл бұрын
Please tell me all the “superteams” he joined, im listeneing
@c14nonyt85
Жыл бұрын
The only one is the heat
@OddpepperL
Жыл бұрын
MJ’s Bulls WAS the super team. So this argument is invalid.
@steezsteezsteez
Жыл бұрын
@@c14nonyt85bro longevity stats are bs its a testament to ur greatness and deffo a feat but if you really favour longevity as much as u bron fans do then you believe jason terry>larry bird
@alexanderkeller6772
2 жыл бұрын
Great list. A few things I would change: Tim Duncan is at least one behind or above Curry. Both had great team success and are considered great teammates. Curry is a better offensive player but Duncan is one of the best defenders ever. I would completely remove Durant. His career would be similar to Karl Malone's if he never joined the Warriors. He is extremely talented but it's proven that he cannot lead a team to a championship without another Top 10 All-Timer on his team. I think Bill Russell should be on the list. Yes, he played on a stacked team, but he was clearly the best player. 11 championships in 13 years is unbelievable, and if they gave out DPOY then he would have at least 10, which is insane. Yes, there were only like 8 teams, but it can be argued Russell was a more dominant player than Wilt. Honorable Mention: Jerry West. He had the worst streak of luck in NBA championship history besides maybe LeBron. He put up insane stats and stepped up in the playoffs, and until Wilt joined the Lakers, he had no great big man in a league and style that required a great one. There was also no 3 point line, and he still averaged 30+ in the Finals while being 6'4 and WHITE. His game would translate to any era, and he is probably the only player from that era that could have had a better career if he came along later.
@thecrazynodak
5 ай бұрын
Go watch Barry's "All-Time Most Overrated NBA Players" and you'll see why Russell isn't on here - and I 100% agree with him on why Russell doesn't belong
@steveneaglefeathers8960
2 жыл бұрын
I never comment and I think MJ is the GOAT but damn dude great stuff. Best all time great list and commentary I’ve ever heard. I also like Tom Brady but it’s hard to argue such great points had me rethinking the whole MJ/Lebron debate.
@randomperson2540
2 жыл бұрын
I like your list for the most apart and even with spots I disagree with I understand your context, all except for Curry and kd highness and Timmy and Kobe’s lowness. I feel like what you said Curry and kd blemishes are things Kobe and Timmy make. And as talents I agree with thier ranking I feel like their accolades are not on pare and help that they have is far better to not put him in this top 10.
@Jqles
Жыл бұрын
yeah it’s honestly a pretty solid list but i think Tim not being in top 10 while Hakeem is on Mt Rushmore isn’t right. Tim was a better player and overcame many great teams whereas Hakeem was a fantastic player but couldn’t quite get over the hump with less great teams. I think the reasoning was a bit flawed since he said the 90s era was very watered down compared to the 2000s and up but gave Hakeem, who underperformed in a watered down era, a higher ranking than the guy that stopped Bron from winning a lot of rings
@derrickbrown7035
3 жыл бұрын
Tim ducan at 12 are u serious the man has 5 rings 2 mvps a defensive god he didn’t want to score 30 points a game he wanted to win and Kobe at 11 come on bruh
@Andrew-tl1jl
3 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan: I agree with you Kobe: He gets overrated not saying he wasn’t great. Most of the statistics doesn’t favor him and his criteria doesn’t favor him either
Something that’s a major pet peeve of mine when it comes to all time ranking discussions is how people will discredit the 60s and 70s to undermine wilt, bill and Kareem but won’t acknowledge just how watered down the 90s were with talent especially in comparison to the 2000s onward. I get it, the media, the NBA and the fans loved and adored MJ be genuinely speaking it is impossible to have an actual objective discussion about the man with anyone who likes him.
@thedude7596
2 жыл бұрын
There’s a stigma that you had to get through the Great Wall of china to score in the 90s
@MarkAtTrees
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedude7596 Yeah, but it was a more defensive era that didn't have the same spacing and rules favoring offensive players that you see today. Prime Jordan would feast on today's spacing.
@MovieGuy666
Жыл бұрын
@@thedude7596 people mistake the 90's for the 80's, 80's was a far rougher decade than the 90's.
@JT-km6th
Жыл бұрын
90s was a slow paced defensive era, not many players stood out. Had MJ not existed, so many more teams would've won chips. He literally is so much better than everyone around him it makes us question his entire era. But not in a Wilt way because the major reason he was so much better is because his opposition were getting ready to clock in at the construction site in an hour.
@jonnstewart2023
Жыл бұрын
@@MovieGuy666 and in that decade MJ had better stats , was more athletic and better defensively but didn't have a good enough team to win so you're making the argument for MJ
@dubs6847
3 жыл бұрын
People aren’t gonna like the Kobe ranking
@Howdidhenotseeme
3 жыл бұрын
Neither steph nor kd are greater than Kobe lmao
@dubs6847
3 жыл бұрын
@@kckc7140 Curry is way better than Kobe though
@dubs6847
3 жыл бұрын
@@Howdidhenotseeme ??????
@Howdidhenotseeme
3 жыл бұрын
@@dubs6847 what? You’re wrong
@ochitokes
3 жыл бұрын
@@dubs6847 foh
@diltberg9627
Жыл бұрын
This list makes me laugh did you even watch Michael Jordan play or are you blind LeBron James is super over rated and Jordan had lots of competition plus played in a harder era today's era is soft
@StepBros399
3 жыл бұрын
You should get on undisputed to convince skip bayless
@jv4mvp
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think the number one spot is a toss between Lebron and Jordan, just a matter of preference. Prime Seasons The two are so close( REALLY CLOSE) during their best years (age23-29 seasons) advanced stats wise. Lebron(30.1 PER, .283 WS/48) vs MJ (30.4 PER , .285 WS/48) The difference is so minimal I’d say it’s a tie. Playoff Success Although LeBrons 10 finals appearances is crazy, I think MJs 6-0 finals record gives him the edge in terms of playoff success. Regular Season Accolades This can be a little bit misleading, as I think accolades involves narrative and luck factor, rather than just pure on the court contributions of a player. It’s close, but I’d still take Jordan in this one because he has one more MVP and a DPOY. (I do believe LeBron should have won at least one more MVP and a DPOY in 2013) Longevity LeBron definitely gets an edge in this department.
@jv4mvp
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnshogskins4443 as much as I love Bird he aint even close to MJ and LeBron. Definitely top 10 all time though.
@Mr.Oct___
Жыл бұрын
You think Lebron should have won one more mvp but Jordan should be sitting at 5??
@commonaccidents1047
2 жыл бұрын
Oy Barry, you're gonna have to update this list, lol
@jonselair
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao, never watched a football game but I'm still a proud Tom Brady despiser thanks to you
@rjmacready9828
3 жыл бұрын
Duncan and Kobe outside of the top 10..... bro you're crazy
@christianrobitaille2285
3 жыл бұрын
I understand Kobe but not Duncan
@1Jivan642
3 жыл бұрын
I mean he literally gave you his criteria though. Based on that, it makes sense. I personally have a dude with 5 rings way higher but, as I said, Timmy is where he is on this list because that's the criteria.
@manniesupasport7977
3 жыл бұрын
KD & Steph is not top 10 Hakeem is not top 10 Kobe is top 5 Duncan is top 7 LeBron is not the GOAT
@rlmalonzo1184
3 жыл бұрын
@@manniesupasport7977 hakeem is definitely top 10. Kobe wasn't top 5...I had Magic, Kareem, Lebron, Bird and Jordan over him This list is fair
@manniesupasport7977
3 жыл бұрын
@@rlmalonzo1184 Hakeem is #11 on my list He is not top 10 greatest ever, he is 11-15 range like KD & Steph. You can’t just look at stats (Wilt, Oscar) or just look at accolades (Duncan, B. Russell) when making a GOAT list. You definitely can’t use your feelings either (Kobe, LeBron, KD) Stats, Accolades, Eye Test, Era played, & Longevity come into play when ranking the greatest ever Objectivity & Facts Over Feelings, Fanboys, & Haters Some So called fans rank Kobe outside top 10 (disrespectful) because they don’t like Kobe personally and some want to build up LeBron. Also because of Colorado incident. Kobe is top 5
@kobejones8381
2 жыл бұрын
I see u bring up when LeBron didn't have help during his playoff run earlier in his career but won't bring that excuse up during jordan earlier years let's be honest jordan didn't have help either early in his career also when he played against all those all time teams in the east...so don't make excuses for LeBron
@HectorRodriguez-qu7gi
2 жыл бұрын
The difference is that lebron took those bad teams to finals. Mj didn't take bad teams to finals. Mj's team and coach helped him to finals
@wosile
2 жыл бұрын
@@HectorRodriguez-qu7gi he didn’t win with those bad teams tho. In fact, he’s on the opposite end of 2 of the most lopsided losses in nba history. To me, that just implies his team had no business being in the finals and that his conference was incredibly weak. He was swept twice and 4-1’d twice, which just implies he wasn’t even close to winning the championship. If he won, or at least made the series competitive, I could see that as a truly monumental accomplishment. Otherwise, it’s not much more impressive as Jordan putting up 44 ppg against the Celtics or pushing a pistons squad that clean swept the rest of the playoffs to 6 games when Pippen was still developing.
@QuotableExchange
2 жыл бұрын
@@HectorRodriguez-qu7gi name 5 all time great players in Easter conference where lebron played his first years. They were 5 all time great players in the Celtics alone, then bad boys pistons, cavaliers.. I can go on.
@hofmenacetosociety4267
3 жыл бұрын
two types of people 1. the smart ones 2. those who think kobe is top 3
@johnnyDowe15
3 жыл бұрын
So I guess Shaq ai Dwade bron MJ Tatum dbook magic Johnson and pretty much every player that’s ever played with or against Kobe isn’t smart 🤦🏾♂️
@johnnyDowe15
3 жыл бұрын
@sakara but when majority of nba greats that had play against him and game plan against him and guard him say he’s top 3 does that not say something? How can the op say “if you think Kobe is top 3 you’re more smart” pretty much when players like Lebron and Tatum and MJ have him top 3 🤣🤣
@marcusg1021
3 жыл бұрын
Preach
@marcusg1021
3 жыл бұрын
Kobe belongs where he is flatly. RIH though
@amateur1034
2 жыл бұрын
Lebron over Jordan? 😂 quick reality check. One - defence. And for the stats - playmaking. Case closed. Longevity is more important than those two? 😂 When it comes to eras even if current is better the difference is way smaller than you make it out to be.
@WarmMattyJ1
2 жыл бұрын
Disagree with a few of these including your #1 but respect your honesty and your analysis of the sport
@elliotspencer2984
3 жыл бұрын
I get it, he hates tom brady but he is a Bron sexual. LMAO
@johnwick8516
3 жыл бұрын
What makes him a bronsexual ?
@blaxcil9490
2 жыл бұрын
Guys lebron is one of the best- BRONSEXUAL!
@nickolascollins5141
Жыл бұрын
Kd does not belong on this list period. Putting shaq above kobe is criminal. Not mentioning how lebron cant shoot for crap and only won any titles when he made his own super teams is weak. Last but not least Tom Brady is the GOAT of all sports period so get his name outta damn mouth before Will Smith slaps you
@TheButTickler
2 жыл бұрын
This video is crazy to listen to about Steph after his 2022 Finals MVP
@nonsodrake8585
Жыл бұрын
well now steph is higher than magic
@gamerzleague7658
Жыл бұрын
@@nonsodrake8585Hell No
@Bigedub101
2 ай бұрын
@@nonsodrake8585nope
@sherkjlsjdf6334
3 жыл бұрын
lebron james ,biggist choker ever,always need good teammates
@absalom0412
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Lebron bailed out on his team too many time when it counted the most. MJ didn't. Killer instinct is what separates Lebron from MJ.
@philvillafana2584
2 жыл бұрын
"never was clearly the best player in the league" dude wtf??! even the announcers themselves said how Kobe was the best from around 2006-2012 tf are u smoking?! unsubscribed
@timboslice2186
3 жыл бұрын
LeBron over MJ?! 🤣🤣🤣 Are u kidding me?!
@unowndodo8471
2 жыл бұрын
You prob didnt even listen to his reasonings
@AveChristusRex789
2 жыл бұрын
@@unowndodo8471 he probably did. It’s just MJ has a better overall case than Bron when looking in depth
@Levi77471
3 жыл бұрын
This list is terrible Kobe and Duncan are fs top 10 over Kd rn, Curry is over kd, Michael Jordan obvisiouly the GOAT, Im a huge Curry fan but I would put him at 11 for now and Kd at 12.
@Levi77471
3 жыл бұрын
@Cornelius Malone Curry beat kd then he joined him to win end of story.
@calmtree6521
2 жыл бұрын
Jordan fans on suicide watch lmaoo
@abishaikothapalli1648
2 жыл бұрын
Your point about KD is understandable. But just being an extremely talented scorer doesn't mean you should be put above someone like Duncan or Kobe, who as you explained had their struggles etc but achieved much more than KD. In fact, it proves that talent isn't everything. Others, though being less talented, had far more grit and determination to win.
@jonnstewart2023
Жыл бұрын
Funny how u wouldn't make this argument about grit, had KD actually had teams on their level
@abishaikothapalli1648
Жыл бұрын
@@jonnstewart2023 teams on whose level?
@jonnstewart2023
Жыл бұрын
@@abishaikothapalli1648 he said others so I'm assuming he's talking about most of the consensus top 10 guys
@Splackavellie85
2 жыл бұрын
4:21 Look at Wilt casually blocking "the most unstoppable shot of all time.
@sdmurphy20
2 жыл бұрын
It's the wilt thing to do
@JMC786
Жыл бұрын
It was goal tending
@austinjmendiola
2 жыл бұрын
I also have Hakeem in my top 5 so when I saw the #4 i was so excited to see someone else views him factually like I do.
@chrisg4305
2 жыл бұрын
LeBiscuits and gravy ain't shit compared to Jordan
@benjaminan1183
2 жыл бұрын
Haha
@chrisg4305
2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminan1183 LeBratwurst and Sourkraut
@ImMeE19
3 жыл бұрын
I knew this list was a joke when I saw kd over players like Tim and Kobe 🤦 Jesus Christ...
@jiggafromstatefarm9997
3 жыл бұрын
Kd Is Better Than Both Of Them Tho , As Much As I Love Kobe , Kd Is Literally The Most Gifted Basketball Player of all time , And If It Weren’t for his narratives/character any smart basketball player would pick his game over the Two You mentioned
@ImMeE19
3 жыл бұрын
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 most gifted player 6’9+ yes !!!!! But where is kd 60 bomb at ? You can argue, Wilt, Jordan, Kobe, steph, harden, Tmac AND Jayson Tatum for all dropping 60+ points. That takes a lot of skill to due and kd hasn’t even got close to 60. And besides joining a 73-9 team with Harrison Barnes as their starting sf, he isn’t much of a winner in his career. Tim Duncan was winning Finals MVP his second year, and making All nba first team, and a ALLSTAR his first year
@jiggafromstatefarm9997
3 жыл бұрын
@@ImMeE19 that’s because Tim came into Team league with an already dominant center in David Robinson and Greg as the coach and I get that scoring should be a big factor but does that make Devin Booker better than everybody because he scored 70 including Jordan ? I think it’s about how efficient you are at the 3 , mid range and finishing but that’s just how i feel , You could feel differently
@z-mane1438
Жыл бұрын
This man really has kd & steph over kobe & duncan ..guys like this dude are the reason nba fandom is dyin, they’re too focused on PER & advanced stats to prove if someone is great or not meanwhile his goat get a pass without even havin a go-to move or a reliable jumpshot and joins players with that skillset to bail him out in that area
@benjaminan1183
Жыл бұрын
The NBA is as profitable as it's ever been. LBJ's best attribute isn't scoring anyway.
@NoSpinster0909
6 ай бұрын
Go to move and reliable jumper but still scored 40,000 points and 27 ppg over 20 years
@williamkoscielniak7871
2 жыл бұрын
Why do you think that turning a good team into a great team is less valuable than turning a bad team into a good team? If the goal is winning championships, then turning a bad team into a good team doesn't help much, because "good" teams don't win championships, great teams do.
@j-rey-
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is a classic case of floor raiser versus ceiling raiser. Russell Westbrook is a floor raiser who can carry shit teams, but he is not a ceiling raiser. There is a very distinct limit to what you can do with him
@levector2445
2 жыл бұрын
@@j-rey- well this season russ has raisen nor the floor or the ceiling, in fact he almost erased the floor causing lebron to re-lose his hairline. +Lebron can also turn bad teams into great teams, going to the finals with a cavs team composed of him and 4 training dummies
@Phos7x
2 жыл бұрын
If I explain it like this it might be better than his explanation. LeBron carried a bottom seed Cavaliers team into the finals, but couldn't make them win it, meanwhile MJ after coming back from his first retirement got a 3rd seed Bulls team 3 championships. As an individual player feat, I personally think what LeBron did is more impressive, because he went into a team who couldn't even come close to making playoffs and got them to the finals, while the Bulls were still a 3rd seed and a 2nd round team (who also took the Knicks to 7 games) without Jordan. I personally see LeBron's accomplishment as more impressive if we're talking INDIVIDUAL impact but it could be pretty subjective
@udontgotJack
3 жыл бұрын
I think you underestimate defense too much. The guys at the bottom were all-time great defenders who were also great offensively and the guys on top were all-time great scorers who weren't good defensively (with a few exceptions). Also you talk about LeBrons competition being what puts him over MJ...for most of his career he was in a laughably horrible Eastern conference where half the playoff teams wouldn't have been playoff teams in the west. I do respect this video though and I agree with some placements as well. And respect for putting KD and Steph on here
@oceaser6977
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Basketball is a 2 way sport and you can’t make a top 10 list without having major impact on both sides
@ShaiOsman
2 жыл бұрын
In my honest opinion id give the edge to MJ mainly because the skill of an era doesn't matter, skill should be equivalent to the development of a sport, you wouldn't see someone dropping 12 3s in 1970-80 because the 3pt shot didn't even exist till 1979. MJ had the ability to dominate whatever era he was in, now while MJ might have had a better team than 2003-2010 and 2015-2018 bron he still had the mental toughness to try again when he was down. If you took a d3 college ball player and threw them into the early NBA they would drop 60 easy but MJ is the only player that you can say if you dropped him in this current NBA he could drop 40 easy. Also in his prime MJ had a way consistent motor than bron in his prime. But I still believe that 2016 was the greatest finals performance by any superstar ever.
@jamesknight1833
Жыл бұрын
in my opinion, i disagree because you also have to remember how terrible the defense was back in the 90s. Also it was a perfect situation for mj. Zone coverage was banned so he could iso people with his insane first step and accelerationa long with vertical. Then there was also barely any teams that had over .500 win shares. Mj also had much less burden than lebron. Lebron had to do everything on the court and MJ only had to score which was perfect for him because defense was so terrible and zone coverage banned. The teams he played in the finals were good for their team but compared to many other finals they were very mediocre. Also the 72-10 season was a bit inflated like he said because how garbage the teams were and the expansions. And also Scottie pippen was a great duo player that could honestly lead a franchise himself. Lebrons case is basically hes 2-3% worse than micheal jordan. But his longevity has been so long that it is absolutely insane. Its like if you have a heads or tails coin and micheals coin is 3 heads in a row for you which win you 3 times. but lebrons wins 8 times but you only win 95% of the money instead.
@jacksonstewart4691
3 жыл бұрын
Duncan at 12??? Are u high???
@calebperez7204
3 жыл бұрын
I think he should be higher than 12, but he gave a reasonable explanation to why he had him so low
@blahblah-oi6fl
3 жыл бұрын
@@calebperez7204 still dumb, Duncan is 7-8 atleast
@Exhibit10
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that made no sense
@anthonydavis6925
3 жыл бұрын
Kobe 11 is just weird, if the reason is he underperformed in the finals why did you put Steph that high when he is also known as the guy who underperformed in the finals
@benvonstanke7493
3 жыл бұрын
I agree he constantly contradicts himself in this video haha
@yoo3127
3 жыл бұрын
I mean steph should be the fmvp in 2018 and was playing really good in 2019 not to mention he was playing through injury in 2016 plus its not only about the finals its also about the playoffs and steph ranks 10th at most ppg in the playoffs history
@anthonydavis6925
3 жыл бұрын
@@yoo3127 I'm not saying Steph isn't a great playoff performer I'm just saying compared to Steph's regular season he's shooting a little bit worse and 4-5 games each postseason run he's scoring below 15 points which to Steph's offensive skill that's low....
@anthonydavis6925
3 жыл бұрын
@@yoo3127 I'm just pointing out that he's contradicting himself in that case putting Kobe out of the top 10 for that reason
@yoo3127
3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonydavis6925 oh got u bro didn't understand well the first time
@justnahayo8490
2 жыл бұрын
Niqqa put KD and Curry higher than Tim, Kobe and bird ☠️☠️
@koolaider
3 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but MJ is the goat
@shupactakur8243
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, such a bad argument why mj is 2nd. Another day of not finding 1 legit argument for lebron over mj
@lukewilkey1869
3 жыл бұрын
People make excuses to up his legacy it’s so sad
@jackjax7921
3 жыл бұрын
jordan played in a weak era. lmao
@shupactakur8243
3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile lebron apparently went up against the spurs dynasty lol thats one of their delusional statements to appear knowledgable, even though duncan was 38, parker 32, manu 36 and kawhi 22 when that heat superteam got demolished
@lukewilkey1869
3 жыл бұрын
@@shupactakur8243 they are so fucking mental like what the hell he was like let’s add context but added 0 context with Jordan for Jordan being 2 all time bron sexuals man
@lukewilkey1869
3 жыл бұрын
@@dynamic6645 ?
@willturlington8761
2 жыл бұрын
KD at 6 is The worst take of all time
@pharaohford1981
2 жыл бұрын
Mj was not favored each time....and when you say opponents quality?? If you go and look at MJs teams...they werent world beaters...yes he had scottie..but those teams were full of what you guys would call "cab drivers" now....to say that MJ didnt play against sufficient talent is pointless to bring up if you wont say that LBJ also played with better talent than MJ ever did...and not mentioning LBJs dominance over a lackluster eastern conference..good shit though...solid points for the most part
@ollierafferty6115
2 жыл бұрын
This guy is a clown… sorry but just no. Some of his comments are just 🤯
@florida12341000
2 жыл бұрын
now that Steph won we need an update video Barry
@lolno6975
Жыл бұрын
The reason why I have LeBron over MJ is the disparity of competition. MJ was on the best team in the league definitively, whereas Bron has never been on the consensus best team in the league. Yes even when LeBron was on the Heat. Also Duncan was underrated in this list. Arguably the greatest winner ever (he has like a 70% win rate which is fucking insane). For me he's top 5
@name_s
Жыл бұрын
2011-2013 heat
@liamballard7519
8 ай бұрын
Bad list. No Bill Russell, KD and Steph too high
@shadowthief8051
2 жыл бұрын
Saying that lebron has worse competition than mj is flat out wrong. In 2007 there was a whopping 2 teams with 50 wins and had a very easy path to the finals. His team wasn’t even bad around him, it was just defensively focused (all of the players on that team were good to great). He versed a worn out nets team, a wizards team with no Gilbert arenas, and a pistons team that was still good, but nothing like competition mj had to face (3rd seeded defending champ pistons 1991; 57 win cavs team 1992; 60 win and one of the greatest defensive teams ever knicks in 93; 60 win Orlando magic team in 96; 61 win heat in 97; and a not as dominant, but certainly not bad (two all stars) pacers team that was fifth in defensive rating in 98). 2014 Spurs were mostly a retirement home with a mostly overrated kawhi, but there is definitely an excuse for 2015, 17, and 18 and a partial one for 2019. It is safe to say that if lebron played in the western conference for most of his career, there is no way he would have made it to 10 finals. The 1990s were filled with all time great players such as Charles Barkley, patrick Ewing, John starks, mark price, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Shaq, penny, David Robinson, Hakeem, Clyde Drexler, and Dominique Wilkins just to name a few. I’m not saying lebron faced bad competition, but saying mj did is flat out wrong
@alexsolimani
2 жыл бұрын
Facts! But unlike Bradytards I have no issue with LeBron being number 1 even if I don't necessarily agree with it. LeBron's accomplishments speak for themselves.
@celanian8188
2 жыл бұрын
I'm just giggling at John Starks being called an all time great player. Rofl.
@jordandwiggins1026
2 жыл бұрын
I assume you meant to say “better” in that first sentence, because otherwise your comment doesn’t make any sense
@mikeevans4341
2 жыл бұрын
MJ competition was WEAK and he always had a better team around him than the opponents? Even though Lakers and Celtics from 80s were declining at the start of the 90s, but Pistons? All of their best players were around 30yo and were at the peak of their career. Their Roster was a lot better than the Bulls Roster, and Pippen wasn't an all star at this point(90-91 season). And his finals opponents, You could say that they were not so great only about the Lakers, the rest of his finals opponents were great, but they are not remembered as great nowadays because they had to face prime MJ. 93 Suns, 96 Sonics and 97 Jazz all were great teams, but you call them Chokers now because they lost, and MJ is lucky he didn't face Hakeem? Well he faced the teams that have beat Hakeem in the west in the Finals and demolished them all, so... Also using Brons great finals opponents is stupid to say the least, because HE LOST to them. In the end of the day, you can use the great opponents argument only if you have won against them. And Bron getting to these finals doesn't hold that much weight, cause if he happened to play in the West, he could have been eliminated in the first round by the champs or even someone else, who then lost to Warriors or Spurs. The playoff system really only choses the best team, so getting to the finals and not winning doesn't really make you the second best team. Also remember that MJ was playing in the though EAST during that time, unlike Bron's weak east. In the end of the day you didn't fallow your own criteria. MJ had a greater peak, and in your words the greatest Peak. He was great for 12 years with the Bulls, he wasn't a longevity Monster like Bron or Kareem, but he was a superstar lvl player for 12 years with the bulls, and You could Argue he was the BEST PLAYER in the league for 10 years, so he has great longevity. He elevated his game during the Playoffs, with 33.5ppg and nobody else ever has even 30, so you can argue he's the greatest Playoff performer of all time, he never choked and he won 6 chips with 6fmvps in only 13 years. And Bron, He is a Superstar LVL player for 18 years but his Peak isn't close to MJ's Peak, he's not as great on defense and in the last 5 or so years he's a liability on that end, and he has won only 4 chips during that time and has that UGLY 2011 finals, which is a HUGE choke, especially because HE was the one who heavily underperformed during that Finals. And his other Finals opponents being dynasties is not an argument, because he didn't really Beat the Peak Warriors. His only great Run was the 2016 Run, and I'd Say that without that Run Bron's not a Top 5 player of all time, Let alone in the GOAT debate.
@crosswiz6
2 жыл бұрын
Lebron DID NOT face tougher competition, that is a myth. this is a much better breakdown of the competition: kzitem.info/news/bejne/1aJp04ZsnqF2lG0 from 7:19 - 11:13 it talks about the competition they faced.
@idkpls18
2 жыл бұрын
there were expansion teams that made wins loss records broken
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