Its not over modelled - That is a completely unsurprising result. Type 45 is a purpose built Anti-Aircraft, fleet defence ship, designed specifically to operate in a saturation attack environment, based on lessons learned from the falklands conflict and the type 42's inability to cope with swarm attacks. Totally realistic
@jyralnadreth4442
Жыл бұрын
The Type 42 in that conflict was hamstrung with a 1950s era Radar that was used on the County Class Destroyer. No Moving target indicator, very poor low level detection performance and to make it worse the Argentines knew about these problems as they had 2 Type 42s themselves.
@MostlyPennyCat
Жыл бұрын
@@jyralnadreth4442 Which is why, with a new radar, Type 42 was shooting down cruise missiles with exactly the same missiles it had during the Falklands! Radar IS The Key was the lesson.
@SpartasEdge
Жыл бұрын
Exactly John. You don't want to be an air unit going against a Type 45. The Type 45 is arguably the best and strongest anti-air vessel in the world; it's it's primary role; it's radar and anti-air capabilities, are frankly phenomenal.
@jamesbartlett5640
Жыл бұрын
Don’t they say that five Type 42 equals one Type 45?
@jyralnadreth4442
Жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPennyCat Exactly....HMS Exeter was equipped with the Type 1022 Radar and was a nasty surprise for the Argentine Air Force as they tried the same tactics with her as the other Type 42's present.....Exeter nailed 2 A4 Skyhawks and a Lear Jet and claimed a possible Exocet on May 30th 1982
@DWillis7
Жыл бұрын
I expected nothing less than exactly what happened. Type 45 is far more capable than people realise. Not over-modelled in any way.
@robertnemeth6248
Жыл бұрын
T45 would be able to engage all 17 targets at once. There are various figures on how many targets can be engages at once but 32 is a generally accepted figure. However ASTER missiles have their own guidance radars so do not need ship guidance. So theoretically the ship should be able to shoot all its missiles at at targets until it runs out. Once 24 Sea Ceptor are added these will be integrated too, The upgrade will have 24 Sea Ceptor and 48 ASTER 30 block 1 and then 1NT.
@dogekoko9865
Жыл бұрын
you know the british goverment admitted to the type 45 sucking
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
Type 45 could engage way more than 32 targets simultaneously if it had the missile to do so.
@dogekoko9865
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee yes the radar can but the aa missles are ass
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
@@dogekoko9865 ASTER 15s are amongst the most capable medium range anti-air missiles in the world - but they are no good at point blank range.
@dogekoko9865
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee thats what i am saying i am not a russian fan but russian supersonics close the gap before it locks on
@Davros-vi4qg
Жыл бұрын
Spoiler: we may have found out why USN Carrier Bosses like having a Type45 in the defensive mix 😮
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
Not really - Type 45 has probably got the best RADAR but that's about it. Too many missing capabilities, it's very vulnerable. So we'll be able to see with absolute precision what's about to sink us - rule Britannia... I suspect the enemy wouldn't conveniently sit in a holding pattern in the perfect performance envelope of your limited anti air missiles but not in a pattern that would enable them to launch an attack themselves! Late flight Arleigh Burkes are in a different league to Type 45 in all-round capabilities - they shouldn't be - it's a matter of funding. When we dropped Type 45 from 12 to 6 hulls - they promised it meant they would be fully equipped - better to have 6 fully armed destroyers than 12 skeleton ships they said - they lied. We've got 6 skeleton ships - none of which would last an hour in combat against a determined enemy.
@mrfrisky6501
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee when did you serve in the Navey lad?
@dogekoko9865
Жыл бұрын
you know the british goverment admitted to the type 45 sucking
@MrWorldwide00
Жыл бұрын
@@mrfrisky6501 I'm pretty sure you mean Navy? And having Navy service means nothing. You don't have to be a former sailor to be well versed on hardware and the politics behind such things...
@mrfrisky6501
Жыл бұрын
@@MrWorldwide00 predictive toxt kid - so what tec giant do you work for son?
@99IronDuke
Жыл бұрын
That was actually pretty accurate from what I know about the type 45 and yes, the 4.5inch gun can engage fast jet targets.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
Sort of - the 4.5incher can be aimed with loose guidance from SAMPSON - ie point at general threats - but it's NOT actually RADAR guided (slaved) with proper predictive aiming - that project was cancelled by Cameron's mob. A criminal act because it would have increased the effectiveness of Type 45 for peanuts (also providing cheap inch-perfect land bombardment capabilities) - particularly as the VLS missiles are not replenishable at sea - so swarm attacks with low value aircraft or drones would soon run Type 45 out of missiles. The sort of target that the main gun SHOULD be able to engage in this day and age given the world class RADAR and compute power onboard Type 45 but cannot. Penny pinching will end up with sunk 45s and dead sailors - we learned nothing from the Falklands.
@simonestridge6096
Жыл бұрын
There are rumours that a 4.5 inch shell destroyed an ASM in the Falklands war
@henricomonterosa4534
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee Interesting point, indeed especially seeing the current developments in Ukraine that looks really stupid. A military expert should have seen that coming from miles away. Reminds me of our brilliant idea to cut our military spending so hard we had to retire our Gepards...
@Sirmartini321
Жыл бұрын
That wld never happen.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
@@simonestridge6096 Yes the arguments still rages whether HMS Avenger took down the Exocet with her gun or not! In theory it's more than possible, early generation sea skimmers have very predicable flight profiles.
@spinmaster4348
Жыл бұрын
The radar is called s-1850m and it is a 3d L-Band aesa radar that is capable of tracking at ranges up to 2000km when used in a ballistic defense role. 6:40
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
thx
@garymyers6638
Жыл бұрын
Rumble is mostly loaded up with right wing nut jobs posting crazy ass shit because Rumbl doesn’t practice any kind of standards monitoring. I really really really have a hard time with right wing nut balls,… especially the ones that post crazy ass shit.
@Medieval_Arpad_cooks
Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers That's the big flat panel that he is talking about. The one on te mast top is an AESA S-Band that does target designation and mid course updates. Missile radar seekers are active as mentioned above. The things on the sides of the mast are satcom.
@MostlyPennyCat
Жыл бұрын
@@Medieval_Arpad_cooks SAMPSON (the big ball) does actually perform mid course guidance, the active seekers on Aster are for terminal guidance.
@tollietime
Жыл бұрын
As designed, to swat swarms of dumbasses getting too close. Props to the crew of the Duncan for staying so calm and professional.
@DavidWilliams-ig5ec
Жыл бұрын
Amen.
@Sirmartini321
Жыл бұрын
Thank you... I was on the ship during this 😅
@Oxley016
Жыл бұрын
@@Sirmartini321 well done the Duncan!
@godalmighty83
Жыл бұрын
Sampson can track upto 1000 targets, the size of cricket balls travelling at 'over mach 3', upto 400km away, and control 16 interceptors onto threats simultaneously. Although the rumour has always been that tracking targets at ~mach 4.5 is well within capability. Beast of a radar, but hilariously expensive, played a significant part in half the T45's being cancelled. And yes, the main gun does have an Anit-aircraft mode, and can engage air targets at upto 20km out, but hits at that range are pretty damn unlikely.
@watcherzero5256
Жыл бұрын
Nowadays while main guns can attempt to directly intercept an air target their main role is they create a wall of flak along the targets flightpath by rapidly firing multiple rounds at different angles with varied fuse timers. The hostile missile/aircraft then has to fly through the flak wall thats gradually descending through the air with their own speed working against them by magnifying the damage they suffer from impacts.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
Unless you have served as a PWO on a D class, you don't have the slightest idea of the true capability of the 1045 and 1046 radar sets. You make yourself look silly by pretending that you do. The reduction in procurement had nothing to do with the cost of the ship, and everything to do with political interference.
@godalmighty83
Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 Most of the stats in my post come from the Royal Navy website, what are rumours are clearly labelled as rumours. Unless you think that the Royal Navy are just pretending?
@paulgray5513
Жыл бұрын
What you have just found out is that the Type 45 destroyer us the best air defence destroyer of any nation. This is not over modelled this is what they were designed to do. The Sampson radar is designed to track over 200 targets and then prioritise the threat and select the appropriate system to kill the threat. They can engage between 20 and 30 targets at once. All of this came from analysing the naval aspects of the falklands war. The Arliegh burke is probably the best allround destroyer currently in service, but as someone pointed out the US task forces love having type 45’s along for air defence as simply nothing can touch them. They have now had an upgrade which makes them even more deadly. Generally just stay out if there envelope.
@SNOWDONTRYFAN
Жыл бұрын
Even before the Duncan picked up those aircraft , one would normally expect NATO EW assets in the region to have marked the pilots the moment they broke wind climbing into their relics , in the meanwhile NATO thanks the Russians for providing the best realistic training for its warships
@Marri-Tech
Жыл бұрын
The ability for the type 45 to be actively tracking each jet from takeoff before engagement would allow them to get rockets off probably as quick or quicker then they did in the simulator
@mooglefourteena
Жыл бұрын
Missiles not rockets! Don't mean to be pedantic but since it's a simulation I'll correct with what I know. Asters have a guidance system hence are missiles not rockets.
@Marri-Tech
Жыл бұрын
@@mooglefourteena Correct... But also pedantic 🤣
@EnglishScripter
9 ай бұрын
Its not a minor detail at all, a military with missiles, could flatten a military with rockets.@@Marri-Tech
@matthewellisor5835
Жыл бұрын
Once again, the GRs propriety, judicious discretion in unencrypted transmission and perfection of professionalism are in keeping with the highest traditions of the squadron, the simulator and in service to their valued viewers.
@michaelwheatley8394
Жыл бұрын
(1) The Sylver VLS (as used on the T45) is listed has having a much higher rate of fire than the Mk-41. Better missile eflux handling systems. But this is per 8-cell module, so I'm not sure how relevant this is in practice. (2) The old SM-2 required missle directors, one per target but up to 2 missles per target. The Arleigh Burks have 3 of these AN/SPG-62 fire-control radars. The new SM-6, and Aster, uses datalinks (like Meteor) and the Sampson radar can track 1000 targets. In the case of warships, this is specifically to handle swarms of aircraft. (3) Apparently the probability-kill p(k) for one Aster is (at least a bit) better than the P(k) for a pair of SM-2's, at least when the Aster was first designed, so they fire one per target, rather than a pair per target.
@tacticaldelusion
Жыл бұрын
You took on one of the most advanced destroyers in the world with 17 4th gen aircraft, you can't say you're surprised at this.
@danhodson7187
Жыл бұрын
I had our lovely ship down for a resounding win and she didn't disappoint. Awesome!
@mixit2413
Жыл бұрын
4 years ago when the Ducan was swarmed by the Russian's the daughter of our parts manager was on that Destroyer on that tour and they were not worried (well they were worried but I mean they weren't worried about the ship capabilities) they had all the planes targeted and locked. If it had gone hot all the planes would have been dead,
@exidy-yt
Жыл бұрын
Kind of like how it actually played out. ;-)
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
No they would not as the planes were too close - ASTER 15 won't hit s--t at under 1.8 miles at low altitude - a fantastic missile one it gets a track but the minimum engagement profile is a real problem. Type 45 desperately needs Sea Ceptor if it doesn't want to join Moskva in the black sea.
@Bob10009
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee it is getting it 😉😎
@danielmichaels1505
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLeeAll Type 45s will be equipped with an additional 24 CAMM tubes by 2032, Good upgrade but couldn’t come soon enough
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee To be fair a fighter isn't going to fire antiship missiles from 1 mile away either. Once they got in that close it was obvious they were buzzing the ship. The ship could probably shoot them with CIWS at that range.
@jonathanwigmore2323
Жыл бұрын
Type 45 doing what it was designed to do! The Achilles heel of a 45 has always been the lack of missiles. Adding x24 Sea Ceptors into the mix will really help longevity in a fight 💪💪
@evelynroadmedia9415
Жыл бұрын
I have heard that the type 45 is more of a convoy vessel, so the lack of missile is not that dreadful, considering you more than likely have an astute with a number of its own sea to air missiles nearby.
@dogekoko9865
Жыл бұрын
the uk admited to the thype 45 sucking
@jamiegray6931
Жыл бұрын
@@evelynroadmedia9415 It pretty much is. UK naval doctrine is T23 ASW, T45 AAW, and Astute for ASW, all defending the expeditionary force of the QE or the Litoral strike group. They operate alone a lot of the time because they can all be general purpose to an extent. But if the RN sends a sole T45 into a warfighting scenario it's unlikely to go well.
@leeowen4989
Жыл бұрын
@@evelynroadmedia9415 The Astute class doesn't have sea to air capability (at least not publicly disclosed) It's purpose is to deal with surface/sub-surface and land targets.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
@@evelynroadmedia9415 If you really want to understand the NATO doctrine, have a look at the constitution of the various CSGs.
@MoistGrundle
Жыл бұрын
The bonus footage was worth every bit of time. I'm pretty sure even the Brits on board would have to be impressed enough to put their tea cups down momentarily for a "good show" or two. Then promptly swat them out of the air lol.
@munchingfoo
Жыл бұрын
The suitcase shaped things on the flat roof behind the main radar are HF radio antennas designed to go straight up and bounce off the atmosphere. They enable radio comms behind mountain ranges that would otherwise be radio blind spots.
@Roni-kg1sw
Жыл бұрын
Well it is a highly specialised anti air warfare destroyer designed from the ground up for this sort of situation so it’s not really over modelled
@danielmichaels1505
Жыл бұрын
In the next couple years Type 45 will start to get an additional 24 tubes for CAMM increasing the firepower on these beautiful ships, It’s just a shame money constraints ruled out more SYLVER VLSs
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24
Жыл бұрын
Should have 100 missile minimum along with anti sub and real offensive anti ship missiles. It's a ship that would have been brilliant in the Falklands but not great in 2023. The fault lies with corrupt peado government scumbags cutting costs
@emfournet
Жыл бұрын
The scream at 14:58 is absolute comedy gold. *chef's kiss
@clangerbasher
Жыл бұрын
Sampson is freakin' awesome as a radar. The war in the Donbas has been going on since 2014.
@stephencollins9062
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Obama installed zelinsky exactly for this purpose,why do you think they pulled out of Afghanistan so quickly? They knew they had another war right around the corner,
@clangerbasher
Жыл бұрын
@@stephencollins9062 Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yes Obama is a big player in this sorry affair.
@user-bm3ji3hw9y
Жыл бұрын
8:04 WOW that's some impressive flying Mr.Sock!
@adamtheninjasmith2985
Жыл бұрын
I think this one went off really well guys. The type 45 would have been on alert and tracking everything before the engagement which would make sense as to why it was firing so quickly. They already had the targets all they had to do was push the button so to speak.
@jyralnadreth4442
Жыл бұрын
The Sampson Radar spikey ball (Type 1045) is AESA and the S1850M (Type 1046) the rectangular one is 3D and is a AESA...the Type 45 has 2 AESA radars
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
thx
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
Incorrect - how many aerials does the 1045 have ?
@Fred-eg9sx
Жыл бұрын
the Chinese type 055 is a much larger vessel than the Type 45. For reference, the type 055 is bigger than a Tico.
@JinghisKhan
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. A Type 45 vs a Type 052D is a even fight. Type 055 is another weight class.
@Carvetii
Жыл бұрын
That scenario against the Chinese destroyers didn't take into account That Royal Navy sailors would make a massive differance. I highly doubt the Chinese are anywhere near competant as the Royal Navy
@soccernflying5709
Жыл бұрын
Life isn’t always gum drops and unicorns. My day starts with making coffee then coming to the Grim Reaper‘s channel, seeking a hit of validation. It lifts me up to hear I am valued. Not joking. You guys are seriously a spark of joy in my life. I really enjoy binging the channel and getting to know you all. In some weird sense it feels like family. Thank you. Cheers! ❤
@dexlab7539
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!…love hearing “Hope you are all doing wonderfully well” 😊😊
@chrisstopher2277
Жыл бұрын
my brother from another mother.
@steviet9452
Жыл бұрын
While stationed at port Stanley the type 45 can paint targets setting off from Buenos Aires! The argies hate it as their ews just screeches at them as soon as their airborne!
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
There are no Argentinian combat aircraft based anywhere near Buenos Aires.
@timbaskett6299
Жыл бұрын
I like the Su-24 "Fencer" mainly because it's an "Aardvark-ski". The Russian near equivalent of the F-111. Does this mean the Duncan is a "Flanker Spanker"?
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Apparently so...
@mecampbell30
Жыл бұрын
Both large spiny radars are 3D AESA radars (although the L band antenna has weaker elevation resolution). The black flat panel Thales radar just operates at a lower frequency (requires a larger antenna, has greater range but less resolution). The round Sampson radar operates at a higher frequency, has better resolution all around and is much better at picking out close low flying threats. The 2D radars are the small ones that are used for marine navigation the side of the mast.
@watcherzero5256
Жыл бұрын
The S1850 has a range upto 2000km and is the main volume air search radar while the Sampson radar has a range of 400km and is used for fire control.
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
thx
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 Sampson is multi-function.
@InsanityorNothing
2 ай бұрын
That went exactly how I thought. Duncan is doing exactly what it was made for.
@Hill_Walker
Жыл бұрын
In terms of EMPing them with radar, it's probably not about frying yourself much as it's directional. It's more likely the 1/r² element of RF which makes it less effective.
@watcherzero5256
Жыл бұрын
Modern ship and aircraft radars have an attack mode where they really do try and knock out the enemy with concentrated beam strength, they also have the ability to insert hostile code into enemy systems though those functions are really really classified.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 .. so classified that you don't have the slightest idea whether or not they exist.
@watcherzero5256
Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 Oh I KNOW they exist :)
@Jack0Young
Жыл бұрын
It seems very accurate for public information of the ship. It was designed to be purely anti aircraft and to be sailing in a fleet with different specialisms. This doesn't surprise me at all. Brits learnt a lot in the Falklands.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
We learned nothing from the Falklands we still have under-funded air defence destroyers with half their intended systems missing.
@Jack0Young
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee Unfortunately, it will take another conflict, like the Falklands, to remind our government of the importance of the Royal Navy. (Remember, hey were about to sell off one of our carriers when they were invaded)
@thegoldeneagle9890
Жыл бұрын
Great video same thing happened with closer range to HMS Defender ships from the Russian coastguard firing but out of range but they still had to get fireproof gear out because of the threat
@Davros-vi4qg
Жыл бұрын
GR did that video as well a bit back 😀
@thegoldeneagle9890
Жыл бұрын
@@Davros-vi4qg well a breakdown when it happened I have watched since the long range was a phoenix missile from an f14 and the reapers blowing up star destroyers
@torn.blue.sky101
7 ай бұрын
"Clear to engage".... "Okaaayyyy...so. Ice cream then?"
@aaronstreeval3910
Жыл бұрын
I really hope they will model the Admiral grigorovich frigates. It would be awesome for y’all to do these Black Sea war games. With the best ships remaining in the Black Sea
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
Can DCS model drunken poorly trained sailors and half the systems broken from lack of maintenance? Of course even with those failings the Grigorovich frigates would still defeat Type 45 which currently has no anti-ship capability outside sending Torpedo armed Lynxes off to be shot down. Removing Harpoon before NSM was available was a criminal act of negligence - as was delaying the fitment of Sea Ceptor.
@stephencollins9062
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee disgusting appraisal of Russian people.
@RedTSquared
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I did not expect that! Love the Bonus Footage at the end!
@sih1095
Жыл бұрын
I well remember shooting a media piece on HMS Daring many years ago, they showed us a video of the CIWS in operation tracing out letters. But they wouldn't let us use it..
@joeds3775
Жыл бұрын
Wonder why.... Some one spelling out fuck Boris....
@iseriver3982
Жыл бұрын
Did you hear about the British bulldog that killed a bear? Bear choked on it. ☺️
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
oof
@sensibledriver933
Жыл бұрын
The 45 desperately needs the additional mk41 and the Martletts on the auto cannon mounts.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
And Sea Ceptor - and DS30M fitted to all ships - not just Duncan. When we dropped from 12 to 8 then 6 hulls the promise was to fully equip the ships - lies as usual!
@EdGeyy
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video and fun to watch. One point to note is that Duncan would fire salvos against inbound Mx. 2-3 Aster minimum against a smart munition, so that brings the saturation side of things further into focus.
@MostlyPennyCat
Жыл бұрын
Says who? Aster is a hit to kill munition, you're only supposed to shoot one at each target because they don't miss. That was the whole point, not needing to salvo.
@EdGeyy
Жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPennyCat Respectfully - I'm pretty well qualified to say what I said.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
@@EdGeyy If you were, you wouldn't be here.
@EdGeyy
Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 Right, because fanciful wartime scenarios are reserved for the unemployed. I'm here for entertainment, just like you.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
ASTERS were designed with the philosophy to hit what they are fired at - they are expected to be 1 missile 1 kill missiles. You do not fire salvos of ASTERs - that's why Type 45 only has 48 cells. - each missile is supposed to count.
@benjaminarnold2881
Жыл бұрын
For the CIWS problem: could you give it a refillable magazine with a really short reload time?
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
We can add CWIS but not actually edit it as it is a "core game" weapon.
@fa0676
Жыл бұрын
From someone who knows T45s, the Long Range Radar Type 1850M would have these aircraft as soon as they took off (along with satellite picture) and 1045 (Multifunction Radar) would 'paint' every one of those aircraft with a missile. One false move and the hatches open and an Aster is on it's way. I'd say at least 15 splashed on first engagement. Phalanx and MS30 will have anything else which comes near. Those Russian aircraft are seriously old. And T45s don't have NSM. They had Harpoon
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
But the Russian jets were allowed to get well within the minimum engagement profile of ASTER 15 at (near) sea level. Duncan was a sitting duck.
@the_beef4762
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always :) These types are my favs.
@ktwei
Жыл бұрын
Well a Type 45 is the only thing that could kill James Bond.
@Utubesuperstar
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 faxts
@Istandby666
Жыл бұрын
I'm sadden by Cap....he forgot to mention the biggest wrestler back then.... Andre the Giant.
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Andre! And Animal and Hawk, and the Natural DIsasters.
@ThinBlueLineGuardian
Жыл бұрын
14:58 is my favorite part
@TheAmbex
Жыл бұрын
My first GR video was the Kerch Bridge attack. Been here ever since.
@jamison884
Жыл бұрын
I think the scary part is this ship model, which did not perform the best up against the Chinese benchmark, is acturally not over-modeled. I believe aircraft in a random pattern around the ship like that just flying close by without using the advantage of long range missiles, should and will (did) get oblitrated per the video. You have a giant moving SAM site that can defend itself and has the capacity of a basically all the missile batteries you'd come across for hundreds of miles in all directions. The video doesn't even model the EW capabilities that should be far superior to any RU jet. This is what makes me excited for the future DDG(X) model. They're essentially keeping the successful Arleigh Burke model and building a new ship/design because they need an abundant amount of more physical space and power to support freakin' laser beams, crazy electronic warfare capability, and adequate room to support decades of upgrades.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
.. nor does it model anti-missile EW capability.
@mecampbell30
Жыл бұрын
A high powered radar can fry the electronics of a poorly built fighter, but it's easy enough to EM shield electronics so that's it's not an issue. It does take attention to detail though.
@Utubesuperstar
Жыл бұрын
Hence it being a problem for Russia lol
@jeffwiltshire
Жыл бұрын
Still wouldn't have the Ensign on the quarterdeck while at sea, entering/leaving harbour or alongside only.
@craiggillham143
10 ай бұрын
Your trip around the sensors suit of a 45 was waaaaay off 😂
@ivanstepanovic1327
Жыл бұрын
Russian main tactic in situations such as this is: approach the target from multiple directions (minimum 4 directions), have every plane launch at least 2 missiles so that they roughly reach the target at the same time, turn around and GTFO real fast!
@lukio12
Жыл бұрын
Are there any plans to upgrade the asters on the type 45 mod? From the US carrier group vs k300p video 1990s US missiles performed better than modern asters, which obviously is just not the case. Youre trying to make these sims more and more accurate but the type 45 as it is now is far from accurate
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
NATO want Type 45 to be converted into ICBM duties - the RADAR has already been tested and cleared for those duties. The idea is to replace ASTER 15 with Sea Ceptor and use the ASTER 15 VLS tubes for ASTER NT1 (anti ICBM/high altitude aircraft.)
@tufftrucker40
Жыл бұрын
I don't know if the ship was over modeled but the speed that ship was dishing out aa missles and smashing Russian aircraft was impressive to say the least.
@danielmichaels1505
Жыл бұрын
From my knowledge I believe Type 45 can salvo launch/control 16 missiles at once hitting different targets
@watcherzero5256
Жыл бұрын
The radars unclassified figure is it can guide 16 missiles at a time (real figure higher) so launching salvoes of 8 at a time as it did in the video was actually under modelled, would probably be closer to the missile spam of the Arleigh Burke Flight III DCS model they created in real life.
@furiousscotsman2916
Жыл бұрын
Yea the British usually underplay their weapons heavily to the public. The released numbers are on avg between 25-50% worse than they actually are.
@Akm72
Жыл бұрын
@@danielmichaels1505 Just to add another number, they can launch 8 missiles in 10 seconds from the Sylver launchers.
@Moody0013
Жыл бұрын
🇬🇧🇬🇧please read this (not worried about you reading it out just info for you) I watched that as it happened and the way the Russians buzzed they wasn't swarming HMS Defender it was a jet every fer seconds. I honestly think that they would have lost out big time. 🇬🇧🇬🇧 I know I'm going to be biased but I genuinely think that the original jet's would have gone down. They would have sent more after and THEN we would have paid but like I said we WOULD have knocked them out the sky 👍🏻 I'd love to see it run like that. Keep up the good work guys
@hwestbc
Жыл бұрын
Is the 45 going to get updated at all? They’re adding 24 camm missiles, and the uk is adding the abm block 1 aster 30 that might really help against the type 55
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@Davros-vi4qg
Жыл бұрын
Was chatting about this just yesterday. Interesting times for all!
@cheetosjumboenjoyer6833
Жыл бұрын
Remake of your falklands war 2 video with the type 45 for the Brits and J-10C + PL-15 for the Argentinians?
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
ok
@jamesscalzo3033
Жыл бұрын
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! The British Type 45's are quite Interesting as well as the Type 22 Frigates. It would be Interesting to see how a Multinational Force with a Ticonderoga-class Cruiser, A Few Flight I and Flight IIA (Technology Insertion) Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers, 1 or 2 Type 45 Destroyers, 3 or 4 Type 22 Frigates, a Nimitz-class or Gerald R. Ford-class Aircraft Carrier, a Queen Elizabeth-class Aircraft Carrier and The French Aircraft Carrier Charles De Gaule were to Grab the Unexpected Attention of 2 Krivak-class Frigates, 2 Neustrashimy-class Frigates, 3 Admiral Gregorovich-class Frigates, 6 Grisha-class Corvettes, 1 Tarantul-class Corvette, 1 Bora-class Corvette, 4 Buyan-M Corvettes, 3 K-300P Batteries, 12 Su-24 Fencer's, 18 Su-27 Flanker's and 8 Mig-25 Foxbat's. I know this is a Tall Order given that you've got the Current Entirety of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with Their Top Notch Aircraft and Anti-Ship Missile Batteries in support going against the American, British and Some French Forces in the Area but it should be quite the Fireworks Display nonetheless. Can't wait to see how things go and I'll catch you in your next video!
@99IronDuke
Жыл бұрын
The current Royal Navy frigate is the type 23. The Type 45 destroyers will also soon have Sea Ceptor SAM's.
@gavin1506
Жыл бұрын
Type 22''s are in Other navies e.g. Romanian. They carry 7 inch Guns. The missile systems aren't great. The type 23's also help in defence and offence.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
Of course, flying around the ship like this at stand-off range WOULD end in the result we saw if Duncan was allowed to engage - all in perfect range to be simultaneously engaged by ASTER which Type 45 is perfectly capable of. You should re-run the exercise how the Russians would ACTUALLY engage Duncan if they intended to attack. Firstly 30 miles off the coat of Crimea, Russia would probably have at least a dozen land-based anti-ship missiles available to them. They’d have an AWAC up sitting beyond the range of ASTER 30 and would know the precise position of Duncan. They would launch some land-based sea skimmers and simultaneously attack low and fast with the jets precisely directed by AWAC intelligence - not hover around at 3-5 miles waiting to be picked off. Depending on aircraft type we are talking 2-4 ASMs per aircraft along with the ground launched ASMs which would soon run Duncan out of ASTER 15s and then 30s. The auto-cannon would and could probably get a couple of ASM kills - Phalanx would hit nothing until its too late to matter. If you wanted to script the perfect way of Duncan shooting everything down - you just did it! That engagement is clearly not how Russia would attack if they meant it.
@furiousscotsman2916
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha and what of the Russians demonstration so far makes you think they would be so well prepared and organised .... they had one working gun on the flagship of the black sea ffs that was sunk by a modified penguin about 20 years out of date.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
@@furiousscotsman2916 Neptun(e) may be an old missile physically but it has absolutely state of the art AI onboard it - far more sophisticated than Harpoon for example. It's capable of understanding the defence capability of the ship it's attacking and calculates an attack profile which avoids the weapons systems most likely to engage it - like other advanced western ASMs - this is no KH-34. Also I suspect the RADARs and Comms were taken out by drone attacks before the ASM strike - something the west have yet to face and are just as vulnerable to. We should be spending billions on simple, cheap disposable anti-drone drones - not trying to recreate the ridiculous stealth programme with hideously complex unmanned aircraft.
@xenaguy01
Жыл бұрын
I never, never, never expected that result!
@Oxley016
Жыл бұрын
I did, that is what the 45s are designed to do.
@thereverant5203
Жыл бұрын
I definitely did not see this coming. Aster 30, best Aster!
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Apparently so.
@darkendoceans1923
Жыл бұрын
14:57 when grump dogged that missile 😂
@ryand900
Жыл бұрын
Type 45 is a beast. Real life situation I read that all the jets were locked on, and in a flick of a switch missles are launched at once its a absolute machine.
@exidy-yt
Жыл бұрын
Nice comeback for the Type 45!! It may not be able to take on similar class ships, but it can scrub the skies of 2 flights of enemy aircraft with speed and style! Great run guys, always good to have Grumpnik back in the skies and Sock is.....Sock. Sweet paint job on that Flanker tho!
@housey4297
Жыл бұрын
We have Astutes to deal with all those lovely Chinese cruisers ;)
@godalmighty83
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that the loss to the chinese anti-ship missiles was a glitch of some sort, Sampson is more than capable of tracking them, yet the missiles simply didn't fire.
@exidy-yt
Жыл бұрын
@@godalmighty83 As I recall, they all fired but they simply ran out: they were chucking Aster 15s and 30s at a rate at least twice the rate of the Chinese destroyers sending their own anti-missile missiles, and thus ran out first. 4-1 per vampire was simply far too great a rate of fire then was needed. Mind you this is almost certainly a DCS thing. I am sure IRL they would be more sensible and sending 2 or at MOST 3 per incoming. But hey, we're all armchair admirals in the end.
@Wilko601st
Жыл бұрын
Im so glad this tub finally came out on top..I was dismade at the last video where it was made to look pants..Yes I had wondered why rumble was quiet..thanks for explaining amd im sorry guys I cant currently afford patreon but have and will part of my hard earned cash when ever i can. Please continue to make very entertaining videos and also get cap to repeat as many amusing sayings especailly when he has NO idea what hes agreeing too
@Markus117d
Жыл бұрын
Ikr lol.. It's almost as if when you put a ship designed almost exclusively for air defence in the role it's designed for ( ie Air Defence ) it will do impressively well compared to what happens when trying to make it conduct anti ship or land attack. Who knew and could have guessed that 🤣
@edwardtandy9613
Жыл бұрын
I also heard a quote from the Captain in which he stated that the EWS could drop the aircraft out of the sky, but that was a surefire way to start WW3
@andyf4292
Жыл бұрын
hopefully the fencers are armed with Kingbolt and AS17. because thats what I always used to use in Harpoon, and looking at the numbers.... no, not enough SAMS.... dumb bombs on an antiship mission, not best plan
@charlesandresen-reed1514
Жыл бұрын
One more coat of paint and that jet would have hit the ship lol.
@AdventTannhauser
Жыл бұрын
May be better if you allow the Russians to get the first shot off (and see how the Type 45 responds) and also allow some of the Russians to be BVR.
@bardslee
3 ай бұрын
The longer range but 2D radar is the big one on the top. The medium range but high accuracy 3D radar is the large black one on the back. The other radars are for various other senses and systems.
@louboyle01
20 күн бұрын
I served for three years on HMS Dauntless. The top "ball" is the Sampson pulsed doppler Rader (it's actually two flat panels in a trapezium, with round domes on the front). The large black rader is the LRR long-range 2d radar. Also The simulation is accurate.
@louboyle01
20 күн бұрын
If anyone is interested the spikes on the ball are lightning conductors
@Anarchy_420
Жыл бұрын
Please🙏 Carrier Launched Fights First Round-- F-18 Hornet's with AIM-120C-7 VS F-14B Tomcat's with AIM-54's! Both launching from opposing Nimitz Class! Second Round-- F-18 Super Hornet's with AIM-120D's VS ST-21 Super Tomcat's with AIM-152 GDW's! Both launching from opposing Ford Class Carriers! Bonus Round-- SU-33's VS MIG-29KR's
@Anarchy_420
Жыл бұрын
Stealth Squadron's and Futuristic Planes VS Star Destroyer Fleet! Stealth Squadron's Center Front Formation-- Flying in Two Formations of Five-- Ten F-22 Raptors! Few miles behind-- Five F-117's! Flying a few miles behind-- Four B-2 Spirits in formations of Two! Few miles behind in the back One B-21 Raider! Right Flank-- Ten ST-21's! Few miles behind-- Five F-16V Block 72's with Optical Camo and Ten F-15STOL/MTD's(I kno Fox2's;)! At a higher altitude few miles behind-- Four YF-12A's! Flying underneath-- Two B-1R's and Five F-15EX's with AIM-260's! Few miles behind-- New Hypersonic "UFO'"! Plus The Millennium Falcon with Two X-Wing's and Two Y-Wing's! Left Flank-- Ten F-35's Five with LRASM! Few miles behind-- Ten F-117's in Two formations of Five! In the back-- Four B-2 Spirits! Please obviously include a couple AWACS Star Destroyer Fleet-- LOTS of Tie-Fighters, Good amount of Tie-Interceptors, Eight Tie-Hunters, and Four Corvette Raiders!! Corvettes start airborne!!🙏
@Anarchy_420
Жыл бұрын
UH-1H, SA342 Gazelle, UH-60 Black Hawk, and AH-64 Apache VS Mi-8, Mi-17, Mi-24 Hind, and Ka-50 Black Shark!
@Bob10009
Жыл бұрын
The ship is not over modelled, it was designed to do exactly that. In fact, in reality, if we were at war, those jets would have died almost as soon as they’d taken off.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's over modelled either - but - the earth isn't flat, they wouldn't be shooting aircraft down they cannot see. Realistically (unless during total war) the rules of engagement would mean Type 45 wouldn't return fire until there's actual threat (ie an ASM in the air) by that stage Duncan is dead as there would already be more ASMs than Duncan has missiles to deal with (if Russia meant it) - don't forget that 30 miles off Crimea would put Duncan in range of an unknown number of land-launched ASMs as well as the attack aircraft - there would also undoubtably be an AWACs flying giving the Russians precise targeting information. If the original Channel 5 situation happened (aircraft are well under 2 miles) Duncan is toast, ASTER 15 needs nearly 2 miles to get a solution on anything at sea skimming altitude - it has to get the initial burn phase out the way before it could get down there. But as this scenario was scripted it was perfect for Type 45 - lots of loitering targets at 3-10 miles - easy pickings for Type 45 which could simultaneously engage all of them.
@Bob10009
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee you’re right, the earth isn’t flat but none of these aircraft were flying on the ground, so, as I said “if we were at war”, type 45 can track, identify and target aircraft WAY beyond visual range and would be able to knock all of the ones in this scenario out of the sky at max range. You brought up an added AWACS for the Russians…..we have them too 😉
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
@@Bob10009 An AWACS could easily sit beyond the range of ASTER 30 and track a ship sized target - actually even a normal fighter aircraft would detect a ship beyond the range of ASTER 30. My point is modern namby pamby rules of engagement would mean the aircraft would get inside the minimum engagement profile of ASTER 15 before we'd react - too late - dead ship. Type 45 desperately needs effective point defence and we need to get on with fitting the auto-cannon to the rest of the 45s - it's only on two as far as I know - unlike Phalanx the auto-cannon has a reasonable chance of engaging something sub-sonic flying on a fairly static course before it gets close enough to do real damage on kinetic energy alone.
@Bob10009
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee as does sea captor which will be fitted soon.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
@@Bob10009 The Russians are down one AWACS aircraft at the moment.
@mk6315
Жыл бұрын
@13:33 Fire Control Room: “prank em lads”
@suecobandito8954
Жыл бұрын
Good video, Cap. No tanker or AWACS assets?
@jerryalbus1492
Жыл бұрын
I want to see a similar simulation, but using an Aegis-equipped destroyer
@VimyScout
Жыл бұрын
Rule Britannia 🏴 🇬🇧
@bigbore4498
Жыл бұрын
Man Cap really new some of the greatest professional wrestlers. Back when wrestling was actually fun to watch. Maybe it’s just because I was a kid.
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Na, it was friggin awesome back then.
@kiwiviking175
Жыл бұрын
Love the outtake at the end; could watch an entire episode of you lot shooting the s*** as you arse around!
@Huxley555
Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to hear the Russian Comms, when they discovered that every one of them was locked. No wonder it didn't kick off 😂
@R.Instro
Жыл бұрын
13:30 "Hoist up the thing! Batten down the whatsit! What's that thing spinning?? Somebody should stop it!!"
@Wolfe351
Жыл бұрын
the EW is the little spikes on the upper part of the main mast, the domes on either side are most likely COMMs
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
thx
@stephenmorrish
Жыл бұрын
You guys need to get on as many platforms as possible, may I suggest Utreon as an additional option.
@gavin1506
Жыл бұрын
Looking at the Wiki pedia entry, you are under loading the type 45. Before we argue the merits of wikipedia, it's a benchmark. there should be an extra SeaCeptor (24x) cells. This then enables the Asters to all be Aster 30's (48x).
@Akm72
Жыл бұрын
None of the ships have received the firepower upgrade yet, the first ship with the power plant upgrade has only just returned to the fleet.
@gavin1506
Жыл бұрын
@@Akm72 and the type55 has everything as well? As to upgrades... there are some with them. Considering they sail past where I live. Some have additional things on them.
@Akm72
Жыл бұрын
@@gavin1506 I just use the Royal Navy Lookout website as a source for what's going on. No doubt they are not 100% right on all things, but they let me keep more or less up to date.
@gavin1506
Жыл бұрын
@Akm72 I think my point is.. Wikipedia states its coming. The type 55 from China states its coming. So using it as the standard... just add it. As far as things go Wikipedia is full of propaganda... but if you use it for all sides it's fine.
@hb1338
Жыл бұрын
@@Akm72 Incorrect.
@cadian122
Жыл бұрын
I really wasnt too suprised by the result ... The Russian craft were not aggresive enough in getting off as many missles as they could thou.. That being said the Type 45 is a top of the line destoyer and I would expect it to wipe out air wings ...
@the_beef4762
Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does Russia's ordinance (especially their bombs) look so crappy? They look like WW2 shaped bombs compared to Western ones.
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Yes they are a bit odd. They still use those.
@TP-ie3hj
Жыл бұрын
its a game, but over all a country that spends 60 billion versus one that spends 800 billion a year on bombs ya your stuff will look old. I would imagine if you bought a house for oh say 60k and compared it to an 800k house your house would look old.
@Spartan1-1
Жыл бұрын
The USA uses bombs that look that way too
@suecobandito8954
Жыл бұрын
Ordnance, I believe.
@dododostenfiftyseven4096
Жыл бұрын
Communists
@LiamWakefield
Жыл бұрын
Excuse my ignorance, please, but how does a simulated missile launch work and how does a ship like the Duncan work out which it is?
@exidy-yt
Жыл бұрын
I am far from an expert, but as I understand it it's simply a calculation by computers reading the real-life speed, trajectory, AOA and weapon type as to when the plane would be in an optimal space to pretend fire a missile, and then calculates the missile type's speed and trajectory vs the ship's defending weapon systems to determine wether the missile was destroyed or got through all the AA defenses, and if so then calculates the average damage that the given missile would do, depending on the area 'hit'. Essentially, it's a whole lot of mathematics, and the physics are enough to make me dizzy just thinking about trying to calculate it.
@anonpers0n
Жыл бұрын
i followed yal to rumble, but watching here until your not here because this works better
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Roger, guessing about 3 months until R is fully working.
@Sun-Tzu--
Жыл бұрын
Are they my golf clubs going round on top of that ship radar? Thanks again guys
@marcbuckingham1054
Жыл бұрын
Duncan’s captain at the time was a lady Cap! Eleanor Stack is her name.
@taggertandersen1646
Жыл бұрын
Could they make a plane like a awacs With a beefed up radar And it carried long range Air-to-air missiles
@stupidburp
Жыл бұрын
B-1B has a very large nose radar recently upgraded and very large missile carrying capacity.
@davebewshey1549
Жыл бұрын
HACKSAW JIM DUGGINS is who Chuck Norris has nightmares about lol
@lasselahti4056
Жыл бұрын
About wrestlers: Cactus-Jack was cool. Weird late 70´s post-deadhead cactus dude in spandex. Or how about "Ludwig Borga" (Tony Halme). The man that came member of Finnish parliament, but was shooting in his house so that his wife and children had to run, and later OD´d. Was also in the Die Hard 2 btw... That "has to be thug with Late-Communist baddie" kinda dude.
@Dr.Jack_Bright1904
Жыл бұрын
Don't know if it was explained in the video or in the comments but the poop deck so the very front was used for eactly that when there were still ships of the line (sail powered warships) there were 2 toilets at the front depends on the vessel how many and people could do their dumps and other buisness their toilet paper was a rope that was dragged along in the water.
@waynesworldofsci-tech
Жыл бұрын
Watching this later after the Black Sea drone incident, Grump should have dumped fuel when he buzzed the ship.
@Markus117d
Жыл бұрын
And also display the level of competence displayed by the Russian pilot by hitting the ship by accident. Russian pilot's aparently have the same skill level as the average Russian road user, If all those dashcam vids are anything to go by, And funnily enough the drone in effect had it's own dashcam that caught the incident, In case of any insurance claims lol... 🤣👍
@patricktracy4371
Жыл бұрын
British Bulldog vs Russian Bear equals a pregnant bear. Total domination
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
lol
@kmancometh
Жыл бұрын
Eddy Wally Wow Meme always scares the sh!t out of me. lol
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