A Utah geologist looks at the Draper landslide that destroyed two homes and caused nearby residents to evacuate from Chopper-5. Read More: ksltv.com/543828/utah-geologi...
Actually its builder arrogance/ greed that caused this. They were determined to get 50 houses on ground that safely could hold 25. You can see theres a lot of other homes (weight) perched on the edge of the slope waiting for gravity to take over. The area should have all been green belt with homes a couple hundred feet back from the edge.
@jillgass8074
Жыл бұрын
Been going on for years. Very SAD.
@JM-ot8ux
Жыл бұрын
@@jillgass8074 Greed. Grubby fat overfed pinky-ring backslapping greedos greasing everything in sight with money.
@jimmiller5600
Жыл бұрын
"Greed is good". Until it ain't.
@CJ-1776
Жыл бұрын
Been watching that area grow for years. Every time I look up there the thought pops up 'it's only a matter of time'. From the Utah Geologic Survey website: "The north-facing Steep Mountain part of the Traverse Mountains is composed of highly fractured and weakened quartz sandstone (quartzite) of the roughly 300-millionyear- old Oquirrh Group. This quartzite was readily pulverized by waves, creating an enormous supply of sand and gravel. Some of this sand and gravel remains on the Steep Mountain beach, but strong longshore currents traveling west and south through the Jordan River Narrows transported most of the material, redepositing it in the Point of the Mountain spit." So in short, when Lake Bonneville went bye-bye, it left a huge sandy beach that is no longer being 'held up' by the lake. Now gravity and erosion have taken over. Humans don't usually think of time in geologic terms, but that entire bench/hillside will disappear in the geologic blink of an eye.
@williebeamish5879
Жыл бұрын
Nailed it. 👍 As a species, so many humans tend to be short sighted and greedy. So these predicaments are predictable.
@BF-27
Жыл бұрын
Geotechnical Engineer here. #1 cause of retaining wall failure is water. You don’t build a massive 30+ foot retained fill in a natural ravine and act surprised when it gets wet, no matter how unusual the weather. I deal with developers every day and can tell you that with few exceptions, they try to spend as little money as possible making unbuildable land “buildable.” This was a disaster waiting to happen, and it’s probably not over.
@dhrracer
Жыл бұрын
Do you suspect any liability on state legislatures for lack of proper/enough regulations? I see that whole development potentially being condemned without a very significant soil stabilization project. Just seeing the soil content from the air is much like what we see from the homes being washed away in Florida.
@markn8866
Жыл бұрын
Cliffs, erosion, rain, and ridiculous sized homes = Bad decision
@Xeyvian
Жыл бұрын
On top of fine volcanic ash at that. Add a bunch of water through rain and snow on top, freezing inside the ground (in which you get expansion and retraction due to the ice), and all that fine ash will break up in the winter, and liquify in the spring if it is holding too much water.
@mattmartin8147
Жыл бұрын
The amount of back fill into that large ravine is criminal. At 0:50 it's obvious what the developer did.
@TheClassyArchitect
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That area with the retaining walls all looks like imported material. Likely improperly compacted, or poor material. The native stuff is essentially compacted sand, but the imported stuff looks soft and unstable as well.
@BeeKaye
Жыл бұрын
That entire side of the street looks terrifying on a good day!
@t5l239
Жыл бұрын
I read the geological reports of land we thought we'd build on. Passed on a few lots and so glad we did. The jordan river bottoms have had a few homes sink too. Never Trust anyone but your own two eyes! All those homes around that area have lost significant equity.
@jimmiller5600
Жыл бұрын
Same goes with "that railroad track is never used" or "that industrial park doesn't make noise at night" or "they're planning to close that airport" or .......................
@DragonHeartTree
Жыл бұрын
Lehi can’t be doing well, either. They built homes right down the middle of the swampiest areas.
@TheClassyArchitect
Жыл бұрын
1- They’re forgetting or not realizing that two neighboring homes went down in this event, not just the one. 2- While the soil on South Mountain is essentially an ancient sandy beach, it appears that these homes were placed on a large fill area on top of a natural ravine. i.e. that dirt was placed there during construction of the development, and water would have continued to run along the buried ravine. Those mountainside homes were built on a sandy foundation with a stream running under it, all to squeeze a few more lots in for the developer. If justice is served, the city, the engineer, and the developer are going to be in trouble.
@hearttoheart4me
Жыл бұрын
One good earthquake, one good heavy rain storm and you can kiss the rest of those Edge home development houses gone.
@jetuber
Жыл бұрын
Do they have earthquakes in that area?
@TheClassyArchitect
Жыл бұрын
The entire Wasatch Front is meant to have an upcoming “Big One”. Eventually, it’ll come, and all the homes on that mountain will be in trouble.
@starshine3588
Жыл бұрын
Certain areas just aren’t meant to build on. Plus they built too many houses on top and too close to the edge. Houses should have been positioned in the middle area…one line only and wider apart….but they actually shouldn’t have built there at all.
@jasondraper2829
Жыл бұрын
To a certain extent, I put this in the "play stupid games...etc" category. People are somehow fooled into thinking that having a $3500 a month mortgage payment means that the developer is providing a quality product. They don't stop to think that developers are going to buy the cheapest land they can find and sell it off for as high a price as they can get. All those new communities and developments in the foothills are just one moderate quake or heavy rain away from ending up on I-15. If you don't want to wake up in the middle of the night with Utah Lake carp swimming through your kitchen or surfing 300 feet down a hill then maybe you should really pay a bit more attention to what kind of crap ground a developer has placed your half-million dollar home on.
@GoldFeather-li8zm
Жыл бұрын
It's all debt notes to be passed on to the next.
@mts7274
Жыл бұрын
The developer went through all the necessary inspections for the build. They can't do anything without getting a ton of approval and permits first.
@Steve-kx6hd
Жыл бұрын
Exactly why cities should be held accountable too they give the approval for the development. Instead of eight again, you build on the side of a mountain you’re at risk for anything like this fire floods landslides
@cmm3338
Жыл бұрын
All of those houses are boned, can’t build a house on sand. At least not like this you can’t.
@mts7274
Жыл бұрын
@@cmm3338 There are many, MANY homes built this way that have stood the test of time.
@tooge47
Жыл бұрын
not a geologist, engineer or architect, but even I have enough sense not to build there
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
All the locals tried to fight it. We knew it. There is no amount of dirt that could fill that thing to make it safe.
@thehungrygoldfish
Жыл бұрын
No duh lol. They needed a professional to assess it not just some rando who looks at it for a second and says “Yikes, that looks bad.”
@dayolddoughnuts4031
Жыл бұрын
So basically a retaining wall would not have working unless they anchored it down 100 feet below the bas of the bottom. Massive cost and would not be worth it. Should never have been built.
@daniellongstaff3408
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that even a 100 ft down would have done it. (I am not that kind of an engineer). The entire Traverse mountain is a landslide from 35 Mya. The bedrock is down a 1000 ft or more.
@rainmaker3700
Жыл бұрын
HOmes built on the edge by the EDGE.
@Callsmit
Жыл бұрын
Contractors getting away with theft
@michaelshepherd733
Жыл бұрын
Morons falling for it
@GoldFeather-li8zm
Жыл бұрын
What new ,debt notes steal from All Americans.
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what’s going on here
@BigBadJohnDiesel
Жыл бұрын
People forget that, in the event of a major earthquake, areas like this, would be inaccessible by ground vehicle!
@mrich9654
Жыл бұрын
This is in sun crest, it’s so far up on top that the wind constantly blows and winter lasts forever . I can’t imagine wanting to buy home there
@GoldFeather-li8zm
Жыл бұрын
It's only for the high and mighty.
@ConsciousnessisRough
Жыл бұрын
But the view of all your accumulated crap rolling down the ravine is so majestic!
@YouTubePurgetheblackplague
Жыл бұрын
@@ConsciousnessisRough they left the buildings before the landslide
@michaellicavoli3921
Жыл бұрын
Can’t imagine sending the kids out back to play!
@Richie8a8y
Жыл бұрын
@ Wayne Hampton 🤣😂🤣😅🤣🤣
@wasatchm
Жыл бұрын
finally. been following this for months and finally their talking to the type of experts I want to hear from. there is no reason to be talking to the developer or draper city. they are both in CYA mode. however, I question if the state should be allowing building going on in those type of areas. you may say it's the cities responsibility. but the state has been pushing rapid growth for decades. government was created to protect the people. developers weren't.
@JM-ot8ux
Жыл бұрын
They want that tax base.
@douglasdever6134
Жыл бұрын
Since when does pushing for rapid growth mean building in unsafe places? Please show some proof of this claim you pulled out of your rear.
@JM-ot8ux
Жыл бұрын
@@douglasdever6134 DUH. The proof just SLID DOWN THE CLIFF.
@robertjones-vm7qu
Жыл бұрын
We build where we shouldn't. Nothing like a developer with money.
@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.
Жыл бұрын
Sue Draper and the home builder for starters. 🤑
@GoldFeather-li8zm
Жыл бұрын
More debt notes, no Accountability.
@Rellekbastard1
Жыл бұрын
"The foolish man built his house upon the sand" -Hummmm......life lessons learned in sunday school.
@Grumpollion
Жыл бұрын
Would you mind asking the good geologist where other local areas are with similar landslide propensities, where houses have not yet started to slide?
@robert6g6
Жыл бұрын
Bountiful, Utah.
@jjillrob
Жыл бұрын
This! Exactly the right question. One of my favorite classes in college was geology. We took a field trip to various sites and one was an area that showed slowly moving earth at the base of our mountains.
@hellomyfriends9740
Жыл бұрын
There you have it. Homes built on volcanic ash. Who thought that was a good idea to 1: Built a home, and 2: go and buy property on volcanic ash. 😂😂😂
@ConsciousnessisRough
Жыл бұрын
My sand castles on the beach get washed away too, It's so sad.
@VetsrisAuguste
Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the Utah watching expensive housing developments spring up along ravines throughout the Wasatch Front. As a teen in the 90s I said to myself, “it’s a matter of time before these houses start falling down the mountain”.
@ahanna4396
Жыл бұрын
Those houses weren't built correctly, this a blessing for these homeowners.
@janetleishman3776
Жыл бұрын
The houses were built on sand and volcanic ash
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t that they were built correctly or not, is that they could not be built correctly because they were built on sand and ash
@katiedotson704
Жыл бұрын
There is no way to build a house correctly on the side of a ravine that is doomed to go sliding downhill. The nuilder, and all who signed permits should also be charged with wreckless endangerment.
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
@@katiedotson704 i totally agree!!!
@thealternativecontrarian9936
Жыл бұрын
I have a great idea. Build homes on a foundation of soft dirt with very little rock on a downward sloping cliff on the side of a hill.
@Kaaaaammmm
Жыл бұрын
So let's ignore that the area is prone to landslides and continue to build these massive homes in the area because of the views. And then act surprised when they crumble. SMH
@jazziez6467
Жыл бұрын
Why do they keep talking singular, it's 2 houses.
@duchessmartinez2035
Жыл бұрын
It's a ravine .............
@dr.a006
Жыл бұрын
….filled with loose dirt! I wonder how many other houses are in a similar ravine on that bench?
@tjkasgl
Жыл бұрын
The foolish man built his house upon the sand, but first the greedy county approved and sold the permit
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
^^^this
@jeffedmundson3934
Жыл бұрын
The city official that issued the building permit is the negligent one. They are supposed to be there to protect the public.
@ronlafond5288
Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed just how the houses crumbled. I've seen other landslides along the California coast where the house seemed to mostly stay intact as it slid downhill. But these just crumbled. Was there anything holding them together? They looked like they'd collapse in a stiff wind. So there were no geology reports before these were built? Or if there were, were they swept under the carpet? MTC
@GoldFeather-li8zm
Жыл бұрын
Millions and billions and trillions, are wasted on dumb decisions.
@frogkisser
Жыл бұрын
You want to understand this? GREED> You are welcome.
@shellyspackman738
Жыл бұрын
My hometown had houses sliding down hills in the 1990s. Some were new builds , others that had been there for over 50 years. They were moved. Why are people not moving these homes?
@alucard4860
Жыл бұрын
Cause this ain’t 1990. It’s the 21st first century where everyone is out to make a quick buck and as soon as something goes wrong they don’t want take responsibility and point fingers at each other to not be held accountable.
@chasetonga
Жыл бұрын
They are brand new builds.
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
City of Draper should have told them no. As much as the developer has fault in even thinking to build up there, Draper City should have known better. And Lehi City for traverse mountain developments too. The same fate will happen to them. People need to pay damages to these people. It was foolish for them to buy these homes, but even more foolish for these companies to build there and be allowed to build there. So sad people’s integrity went out the window some 20 years ago or so.
@Charlie-go6eb
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao, pure genius was just given in that interview.
@johnpatrick1588
Жыл бұрын
"The area is known to have landslides". Did anyone tell the buyers?
@Ruizfamilia140
Жыл бұрын
I would NEVER BUY A HOME ON A HILL 😮 it DONT take an engineer to see obviously that land is sliding 💁🏽♀️ I feel for them I don’t get why??
@kennethwilliams-dl9gi
Жыл бұрын
that street should be closed because it could go next.
@benlzicar7628
Жыл бұрын
lol @ 1:26 you can see how the contractors laid the floor and built studs directly over that flooring. Not saying the construction was the reason this home slid, but there were clearly lots of corners cut build this home, both from the land survey to the actual building of the house itself.
@pyeck6824
Жыл бұрын
Weren’t there 2 houses?
@tcklme712
Жыл бұрын
How'd you like to be any of the other houses on that street??!! Yikes!!
@dr.a006
Жыл бұрын
How many other houses are built there in a natural ravine filled in with loose dirt?? That whole bench has quite a few just like this. Good luck neighbors!
@marydd4147
Жыл бұрын
Hope the builder has good liability insurance. Heartbreaking for the home owners.
@2Goiz_1ShanDA
Жыл бұрын
smart for commercial spot on news anyway that's going to play well in front of the judge
@pauledwards1157
Жыл бұрын
I’m an engineer. That was stupid to think that big of a fill was going to work.
@jimmiller5600
Жыл бұрын
"Open Concept" taken to an extreme.
@Amulek293
Жыл бұрын
The geologist just throwing out the double speak 😂
@zionmama150
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@cmm3338
Жыл бұрын
The amount of backfill… thats all you need to know.
@Richie8a8y
Жыл бұрын
Hubris of anyone thinking any of this was a great opportunity. These houses cost upwards of a million plus and packed so close together and so close to the edge of that cliff. Army corps of engineers needs to get in there and sort them out.
@patriciamalone3553
Жыл бұрын
“I have the best view….oh waittttt.” I 2:26 see houses that will be toast when we get our “not if, but when” earthquake we are due also.
@douglasdever6134
Жыл бұрын
What happened to the ground beneath it? Simple, it slid away and went down. And just look at those new Open Floor Looks.
@rickcoleman8903
Жыл бұрын
Is it wise to build on a cliff or next to an ocean that has risen 1 inch in a hundred years?
@thebetaguy
Жыл бұрын
cant buy common sense now a days it seems.
@seviregis7441
Жыл бұрын
Thank God no one was killed or injured but none of those houses are safe and they should never have been built there.
@suzyque1444
Жыл бұрын
I'm just a housewife and I can see that building anything at the top of a 'slide' (canyon) would be absolutely stupid!! The geologist who OK'd this build should be fired, and fired again!
@lenuanch8869
Жыл бұрын
So they build house in slide sides can happen anywhere .
@daveroberts7295
Жыл бұрын
An air photo from 10 years ago would likely show the ravine that has since been filled in and now has revealed itself again. Most cities use air photos to do planning and catch illegal building. I imagine most states conduct complete surveys once a decade or so. Find your house was built on loose fill and settle for 100% of damages.
@terrallputnam7979
Жыл бұрын
Heavy D helped save a guy's home when it started sliding down a mountain. Very scary stuff.
@iprospectiprospect1431
Жыл бұрын
The home was on top of a coulee if the land was disturbed below. It would make a landslide in the future.
@franksliwa362
Жыл бұрын
You build on a hillside this is what tends to happen! Don’t need someone to tell me that!!!
@gregnulik1975
Жыл бұрын
They probably need to put in vertical support piles and reinforced concrete pads to support the homes in places built of volcanic ash.
@A3Kr0n
Жыл бұрын
It's just normal settling. Nothing to worry about
@michaelshepherd733
Жыл бұрын
😁😁😁
@stevemackelprang8472
27 күн бұрын
Doesn't take an expert to look at the site and realize the whole thing was bogus, who ever ok'd this construction should be held liable.
@rebeccalowe-hodges8162
Жыл бұрын
what do think is going to happen when you build your house upon the sand?
@laurakyplain2413
Жыл бұрын
Clearcutting and building on swamps
@elainecongo3827
Жыл бұрын
THIS IS SCARY!
@GoldFeather-li8zm
Жыл бұрын
Booo
@janetleishman3776
Жыл бұрын
Of course the houses would slide anyone with knowledge of this area, sand, volcanic ash is on the benches of the Wasatch mountains. One day the whole area will become a slurry mess.
@Cqb1776
Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for the day this would happen! Building a house on a cliffside... real real smart 🤓
@georglimiux677
Жыл бұрын
This what happens whe you buy a home SO CLOSE to a canyon, ocean.... Should be a ordinance of a mile minimum for building.
@sandraaviles-wilkes7036
Жыл бұрын
Do not trust Developers and do extensive research people because developers just want your money. Developers time and time again have shown they CANNOT BE TRUSTED!!!
@mariecabaneshucamis
Жыл бұрын
seeing the kind of soil doesnt need a degree to figure out if it is reliable or solid ground to build a house . you cannot defy what history says where you shud build a house 😮
@victoriagriffiths4205
Жыл бұрын
That's what happens when builders do and build wherever they Want
@franklesser5655
Жыл бұрын
Pile up a lot of dirt into the edge of a ravine to create a flat piece of ground, put a heavy house onto it, and it will collapse.
@alc5792
Жыл бұрын
The development should be made to buy back all those homes....
@Imwright720
Жыл бұрын
Wow. Maybe not build in an area that is prone to landslides. You need to bore a hole deep until bedrock is hit and use that as your foundation. It should be on concrete piling on All corners and ever 10’ depending on the house size.
@markschuette3770
Жыл бұрын
well the collapsed house was right in the path of a water drainage ! you can see the water drainage ditch below the collapse!
@billwhite1603
Жыл бұрын
That dirt, slope, do not look like they would compact and be strong enough to support those homes even without slides. Lots of payoffs go to county zoning officials sometimes.
@bnuttsgee
Жыл бұрын
Area know for landslides . Let's build homes!
@alucard4860
Жыл бұрын
Volcanic ash. Even millions old that type of material is nothing but trouble. It’s a pity for the family but building on terrain like this there is always a risk. City may have gave permission to build but designers should also be aware of worst case scenario if building near the edge like that.
@bug2011
Жыл бұрын
Nice view though 🙂😍🙂
@cooldudeyo06
Жыл бұрын
ELI5: Earth move, house fall 💥
@Sunflower00001
Жыл бұрын
Feel ao bad for those homeowners there!!!
@YouTubePurgetheblackplague
Жыл бұрын
The road is next
@patrickradcliffe3837
Жыл бұрын
So what's going on with the lawsuit against the developer?
@andrewdexter2832
Жыл бұрын
The quality from the builder is all smoke & mirrors ... Garbage homes is what they should call themselves... All of those homes are in big trouble!!!! Mark my words , I've been saying it for years ... Those builders are responsible for all of it, and the city should know better !!!
@YouTubePurgetheblackplague
Жыл бұрын
Strip that architect of their license and the builders as well.
@davidwilken3584
Жыл бұрын
Building on a dirt cliff is about the stupidest thing anyone could do.
@MikeSmith-ch7jv
Жыл бұрын
All of his neighbors are wishing this guy just had a vicious dog
@maggiepalmer24
Жыл бұрын
Gasp it’s working thanks for figuring out what to do smarty pants 2:26 2:26 😊
@deere7227
Жыл бұрын
Who knew that building on a filled ravine would ever be a problem?
@bikerdad63
Жыл бұрын
You built house on the side of a cliff. What did anyone think was going to happen.
@noneyun9943
Жыл бұрын
Geologist? You need an ENGINEER
@DragonHeartTree
Жыл бұрын
Why doesn’t he mention that those cliffs are actually fault scarps?
@cherriberri7161
Жыл бұрын
The contractor & engineer are responsible
@JacobAnawalt
Жыл бұрын
In addition to it being a gamblers risk to build up there, it is a fools errand to try and dump a bunch of dirt into an obvious draw and think it's going to defy centuries of erosion to put a few more units in.
@tonyroam1471
Жыл бұрын
Oh Oh .. should have used caisson’s 🤨
@lowellford3419
Жыл бұрын
Soil too powdery, no clay...what did you expect, those should have never been given a permit.
@YouTubePurgetheblackplague
Жыл бұрын
That's what happens when you build on a mountain and don't have an architect that knows water science 😂😂😂😂
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