Which of my points do you agree with? Any counter arguments for me? Also, did you know they did surgery on a grape?
@Khepriem
5 жыл бұрын
Thanos olive.
@Mir1189
5 жыл бұрын
"There is one true Christianity" is about as wrong as "One true Islam" or "One true Atheism" for that purpose. We are after all individuals...
@erynlasgalen1949
5 жыл бұрын
Did the grape survive the procedure?
@JustAnotherBuckyLover
5 жыл бұрын
I did know they'd done surgery on a grape. You learn these things when you've had those tools poking around inside you a dozen times in the last couple of decades. I think it's absolutely vital for us, as atheists who are encouraging critical, logical thinking, that we should absolutely be willing to accept valid criticism and correct any errors in our arguments. To act as though we're perfect and infallible without even considering if the argument is flawed or information has changed is to do exactly what we're criticising those with blind faith for doing. In other words, if an argument can't stand up to valid criticism, then it's probably flawed anyway.
@meganm3126
5 жыл бұрын
I have never watched you for the comedy but I was rolling from that intro. MORE OF THAT PLEASE! Hahaha
@jonathanstensberg
4 жыл бұрын
General Life Lesson: People are not persuaded by having their views misrepresented.
@Gr3nadgr3gory
3 жыл бұрын
Hence why Christian's are also unlikely to convert most atheists and many agnostics.
@MetalNick
3 жыл бұрын
Idk maybe that's exactly what people are pursuaded by.
@lorenakoran2
3 жыл бұрын
Love it! Hope you don't mind me quoting you.
@adrianovianna2694
2 жыл бұрын
@@MetalNick maybe some, but ir mostly leads to polarization and anger. anyway, misinterpretating the other group is more about gaining validation within your own.
@pyroblast3000
Жыл бұрын
@@Gr3nadgr3gory Yes I'm sure that's the main reason why...
@twoduece
5 жыл бұрын
though im an atheist, this is probably my favorite video of yours, the fact that your willing to criticize your own group is refreshing
@Phoenix_The_HeroHater
4 жыл бұрын
Shaun Gill I agree
@jakeheintz4107
4 жыл бұрын
that's what I wanted to say, it's nice to see
@someoneonyoutube8622
4 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah he has lots of stuff like this I find it rather helpful as well I agree with a lot of what he says and have shown these videos to some more militant atheist friends to help them better understand how to approach people
@ParanormalEncyclopedia
4 жыл бұрын
Its hard not to respect someone willing to be critical of his own "side' as it were. Its one of the reasons that as a Christian I actually have a lot of respect for what he does.
@ParanormalEncyclopedia
4 жыл бұрын
Different manuscripts would certainly be an issue. I haven't researched the specific contadictions mentioned (although several clearly do exist like how many people went to Christ's tomb, how many angels were there and where they were, how it opened, etc). There are in fact thousands of contradictory forms of CHristianity all claiming to be the true Christianity of the BIble and most if not all of them insist the others are false (or at least specific other ones are false). Ironically the forms we know are the oldest (Coptic and Ethopian Orthodox) are usually completely overlooked in any such argument. You can insist your version of what the Bible says is the one true one but from any objective perspective there's little to recomend yours over the others. The Bible is actually pretty clear about the Earth resting on four corners, pillars. It comes up a number of times. Also he doesn't bring up a lot of what your saying here since its mostly about atheism. Again you can point to prophecies you believe have clear specific meanings and I can point to other people through out history that are very certain they meant something else. Never mind the entire debate even within Christianity over whether Revelation actually qualifies as prophecy or its just a coded history of 1st century Christianity particularly under Nero (who's full name in Hebrew does in fact come out to 666). You're making "this is the one true way" pronouncements and ignoring all of the people who make exactly the same pronouncement with as much evidence. There are thousands
@thedefenestrator2994
5 жыл бұрын
I am no longer, "Christian." I am now, "Napkin Devotee."
@p.s.shnabel3409
5 жыл бұрын
And obviously, The Napkin teaches us that the act of Choosing is important. All else is heresy 😈
@thedefenestrator2994
5 жыл бұрын
@@p.s.shnabel3409 I must admit... I don't have a damn clue what you're talking about with what "Choosing" and said "Heresy" is supposed to mean. Lol
@p.s.shnabel3409
5 жыл бұрын
@@thedefenestrator2994 I refer to the sentence on the napkin: The choice to drink is yours 😉 And, very much tongue in cheek, decided to start my own spin on how to interpret that sentence. So what say you? Defiest thou my holy right of Choosing? 😂 (And yeah "choosing" instead of "choice" to avoid THAT whole kettle of political fish)
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa
5 жыл бұрын
Still better than "Easter Worshipper" imo. All hail the Napkin.
@CloutmasterPhluphyy
5 жыл бұрын
But which sect?
@marckiezeender
5 жыл бұрын
This video makes you more credible in my eyes. The fact that you are willing to criticize your own group shows me that you are truly dedicated to critical thinking.
@franksimmons9092
5 жыл бұрын
It's not so hard to do that. Genetically Modified Skeptic starts from the sound presupposition - as I do - that not every atheist is, by necessity ou definition, particularly bright, and many of them, in fact, resort to stupid arguments to criticise religion in general and Christianity in particular. Instagram, for example, is studded with that kind of nonsense. The position taken by Generically Modified Skeptic is just what we atheists would expect from an intelligent fellow. And I hope that Christians watching him won't take advantage of the concessions he made, as they so frequently like to do, and attribute to his words more than that which they mean.. It's always dangerous to make concessions to Christians believers: they are never satisfied.
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
@@franksimmons9092 kzitem.info/news/bejne/s3uL25-jmImCfX4 Pretending the behaviour is uniquely to Christians while it can be observed among all kinds of people seems rather disingenuous to say the least. Thanks for demonstrating that lack of rationality isn't uniquely displayed by Christians. No matter what group I belong to, why shouldn't I take advantage of what Cosmic has stated here? There are idiots among atheists just like there can be found idiots in any other group upholding a certain religious position. I think Cosmic did the discussion a favor. I may not agree with all of his premises, but I happen to agree with most of his logical reasoning. Excluding causes for accidental strawmen is what saves time for the core of a discussion preventing time being wasted on discussing positions neither of the participants is upholding.
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
Lol, I just noticed I confused Cosmic sceptic with Genetically Modified Skeptic, my bad.
@zonatedspore97acamas
5 жыл бұрын
@@BlacksmithTWD the thing is the usually religious people do that, I'm not saying there aren't idiots among atheists but there are WAY more in the any religious community.
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
@@zonatedspore97acamas DO you mean worldwide or just the US?
@vampiiko350
4 жыл бұрын
“The Bible is not all literal” Pentecostals: *nervous sweating*
@rushpatriot2866
4 жыл бұрын
It would be pretty ignorant to think it is.
@hunterlee4412
4 жыл бұрын
My favorite thing from growing up in a Christian household was asking about JW, Pentecostals, and Mormons and hearing that "oh no, they are crazy."
@JeroenDoes
4 жыл бұрын
If the bible is to be the holy book of god then it would be pretty literal. Saying that the bible is open to interpetation brings the bible down to flawed mortal viewpoints. And if our viewpoints are the measuring stick we use for the word of god then the bible is no more a holy book then harry potter.
@ewatiredrat6925
4 жыл бұрын
i was raised Pentecostal and yeah, this is pretty true lmao
@barnacleboi2595
4 жыл бұрын
Though some theists agree and disagree, i just wish they could be on the same page before introducing their faith to others
@Gullimann2
4 жыл бұрын
"This might turn out to be my most unpopular video ever." 12k likes to 500 dislikes
@Gullimann2
4 жыл бұрын
@Shaun Gill While I get what you mean and do agree, I would note that there isn't really anything to criticise about atheism per se, because atheism isn't really a specific stance towards anything other than the likelihood of Gods' existance. Much rather, you can criticise general behavior displayed by atheists commonly, or specific things concerning specific philosophical movements that may be atheistic.
@prandz420
4 жыл бұрын
haha jordan peterson fans backlash against criticism more than an entire religion
@juniusluriuscatalus6606
3 жыл бұрын
16k and 600 10 months later. Nice.
@QixTheDS
3 жыл бұрын
19k likes 662 dislikes now
@nunkatsu
3 жыл бұрын
It's at 666 dislikes now
@bluewhaleking6227
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm not a believer in Christianity anymore, but I am a big believer in giving credit where credit is due. I think that is a foundational pillar of intellectual honesty.
@wakeupcall8188
5 жыл бұрын
Why not brother
@michaelhason1564
5 жыл бұрын
Why would you believe in christianity? Believe in and trust Jesus, rather.
@wakeupcall8188
5 жыл бұрын
Michael Hasoň Even that
@j.oaklley8965
5 жыл бұрын
Lies.
@wakeupcall8188
5 жыл бұрын
J. Oaklley What lies
@dudepersonvids
5 жыл бұрын
I am not currently an atheist. But I really appreciate your clear dedication to level-headedness, reason, and analysis witbout particular emotional judgment of others. Being able to criticize "one's own group" is absolutely important, because blind faith in any one source of power, information, or ideas precludes any deeper awareness or understanding.
@savagechicken4518
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit confused are you talking about theist or atheist🤔
@jacobc9221
Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, have you changed your mind? Or are you still a theist?
@AnnoyingMoose
5 жыл бұрын
The good advice that you give here sounds like it came from Sun Tzu “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
@aow3834
5 жыл бұрын
*EUIV flashbacks*
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
What if one knows one's enemy but not oneself?
@SMILEY-bu2hj
5 жыл бұрын
Blacksmith -- I guess Sun Tzu didn't think about that one either. Sun Tzu is actually overrated. He claims that making your enemy believe you are weak will give you an advantage. Yet making your enemy believe you are strong will also give you an edge for he might desist.
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
@@SMILEY-bu2hj Sure being overestimated can avoid a confrontation, however, if a confrontations happens anyhow, you are usually better of with an enemy that underestimated you than one that overestimated you. So I think Tzu got at least that part right. Nor can I exclude the possibility that Tzu considered it impossible to know ones enemy without first knowing oneself. After all, If I don't know what I'm defending, then how can I know who is trying to attack it? I don't know whether or not Sun Tzu is overrated, I'd guess by some and by others he might even be underrated.
@SMILEY-bu2hj
5 жыл бұрын
Blacksmith -- It amazes me how atheists will defend noted atheists tooth and nail. People are ready to fight for fools like Richard Dawkins, AaronRa and Stephen Hawking as if they know them, as if they are their mentors, as if they gave a shit who you are. People adore Hawking even though he did nothing for mankind except play the grotesque all of his life. This guy didn't write one single equation on black holes and yet atheists give total credence to his words, as if black holes are a done deal just because the Fool on the Hill said so. Richard Dawkins is an egocentric idiot who has deceived millions and AaronRa looks more like a junkyard dog than the scientist he alleges to be. Just a brief example of how lost you are when you place your faith in men rather than God. I wouldn't say the Art of War is a piece of garbage. It certainly contains much wisdom. But it's mundane wisdom. How come the world doesn't revere Solomon for the Book of Proverbs? The wisest men in history have extracted enough wisdom from Proverbs and certainly plagiarized a line or two and yet Solomon is set aside in favor of fools like Richard Dawkins. That speaks volumes about the state of perdition we're in.
@chrisjohnson4380
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a Christian and I have some disagreements with his beliefs, but I love this guy. His attitude and mindset is so unique and is a much needed trait in today's world. He comes off as clear headed, rational and sensible, even if his beliefs don't exactly match mine. The world needs more discussions and less arguments, so keep up the good work!
@roguepsykerhaaker4813
Жыл бұрын
I have grown and changed much in my short life but I think that the type of media I consume really reflects my views on debate and how they've changed. I used to watch a lot of the much more hostile debate content that is thankfully becoming less popular these days (from my limited perspective) as it made me feel powerful, smart and rational. Now I consume content more like this, more thoughtful, self critical and respectful. I of course still have a long way to go, but I'm glad I've gotten this far. Sorry that kinda turned out very self centered
@marcuswestphal4955
11 ай бұрын
Also a christian here. I also live this guy's content. Anything that makes me think about what I believe and why I believe it is always good in my eyes.
@jeronchly1300
9 ай бұрын
What do you disagree with?
@marcuswestphal4955
9 ай бұрын
@@jeronchly1300 he's a Christian. The videos creator is an athiest. Shouldn't it be obvious?
@BrentODell
5 жыл бұрын
Great video, making sure 'your side' stays honest and on point is extremely important. Many good causes have been derailed when they failed to do so.
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same way.
@alonsoisaac8251
5 жыл бұрын
The irony when this is probably true for Christianity.
@dknight25
5 жыл бұрын
@Structure Agency I agree to that. I'm a believer myself, but I also watch atheism related videos to understand different points of view and also try to be up to date with science progress. Contrary to popular belief, a theist can be a well-educated person as it isn't related to intellect at all. I find it extremely enjoyable whenever I have a conversation with atheists who are very educated and know what they talking about.
@johnhiggs325
5 жыл бұрын
Ivan. This notion that believers lack intelligence is nonsense and needs to be rebutted at every turn. I often receive retort from believers during arguments that I am insinuating their level of intelligence is less than mine. In most cases, after digging into the believer’s reason for feeling this way, it seems to be for one of two reasons; either my diction is slightly above a fifth grade level, or I have slightly more information on the subject which they confuse with me thinking I am more intelligent than they.
@alonsoisaac8251
5 жыл бұрын
@Mystic_Rose If they are truly Christian, the faith in jesus as lord, his sacrifice, and resurrection are the constants. And love is the foundation for the sacrifice. "By grace you have been saved, through faith..." "for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life..." I can go on, but i don't want to beat a dead horse. I understand that there is disunity in the church in some aspects, but the bible itself calls for unity "a house divided cannot stand". It has to do with how people attempt to reconcile with one another in love of Christ. If you ask me most other differences are negligible.
@LukeVilent
5 жыл бұрын
"The Christianity is what Christians practice" - "A tree is known by its fruit".
@Burn_Angel
5 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Paulson As a christian, I gotta admit that joke is right. But again, we have many variations of Christianity because people stopped being religious fanatics, thus not supporting a small number of specific ideas, but rather taking the ideas we consider the best while discarding what we don't see as useful. For example, I think cheating on others is wrong, but throwing rocks at whoever commits adultery is barbaric. And this wouldn't be the first time christians do this, since even by the time Christianity established itself as its own religion in Rome, we did change stuff for it to be more accessible. We eat pork and keep our foreskin since then, for example.
@Burn_Angel
4 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Paulson Huh, I didn't see this until Ulysses posted. Well it seems to me that you're just trying to find your own path, and you think you've hit a dead end with Christianity, thus you feel that it may be the same with every single person, even though we both agree that Christianity can branch in many ways. While yes, it can be interpreted in a bad way, take in mind the church doesn't have much power anymore, thus it doesn't have any saying in people's lives, thus, it's up to every person to forge their relationship with God. I guess I'm repeating myself, but my point is, the same thing you're saying is bad, I'm saying it's good. I think you misunderstand Christianity though, as it will make people just accept what is supossed to be God's word, which is wrong. While it's a common metaphor in the bible, people are not sheep; nowadays, only the foolest would try to be hardcore fanatics, and that's not the way to measure what a religion has to offer. I'm in no way trying to convince you to join the religion again, as your last comment seems to imply, to each their own. I just want to clarify an idea you've got wrong.
@Burn_Angel
4 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Paulson Yes, I do realize I'm on an atheist channel. Why do you mention that as if it's supposed to be a safe space for atheists? I dunno, your way of saying it makes me feel like you don't want to have an argument about it, which is weird, being atheists the people who supposedly argues stuff the most. Again, I don't know why you think the christian path is an exclusive one, as if you're either completely devote on it, or not. And no, that's not my point. If Christianity is ice cream, and I say my "flavor" is vanilla, I'm talking about vanilla ice cream, while you're getting vanilla yogurt and saying it's the same. ...uh, I think I'm not that good with analogies, but the thing is, you can't be right just by making something out of the bible which "tastes like ice cream", for it to be truth to Christianity, it would have to be ice cream, you know? To speak more vulgarily, you can't take out your butt what you feel the religion is about, and just say it's your way of paying respect to God. Not everyone is right, else they would be no hell. At its core, it's about not doing what you don't want others to do to you, and respecting God, practically everyting else it's moral filler, and lots of stuff in it is outdated, which is why it's easy to see why some people don't follow "the rules", and, again, try to apply bronze age logic to our modern day.
@Burn_Angel
4 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Paulson ...please explain yourself.
@hunterlee4412
4 жыл бұрын
A good tree does not produce bad fruit, nor does a bad tree produce good fruit
@ejnarsorensen2920
5 жыл бұрын
True Christianity wears kilts.... or is that Scotsmen?
@diobrando6716
5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@feartheghus
5 жыл бұрын
ejnar sorensen it is true that real Scottsman wear kilts, yes.
@HiltownJoe
5 жыл бұрын
Its Scotsmen... True Christianity wears Scotsmen.
@matthewzeller5026
5 жыл бұрын
@@HiltownJoe I've never seen someone wear a scman. Is that related to the blood drinking and flesh eating they do every week?
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
@Jim Merrilees I'm sorry you had to endure that. I hope it was a nice wedding though.
@peterlustig502
5 жыл бұрын
Your meme game is strong as usual
@davidhatcher7016
5 жыл бұрын
Y?
@tamarak.9828
5 жыл бұрын
@@davidhatcher7016 the intro
@lonewolf1492
3 жыл бұрын
Ikr glad this channel is not like for boomers otherwise we wouldn't find this channel as interesting as it
@skepticalkiwi444
5 жыл бұрын
The whole "literal vs metaphor" thing really got me into trouble when I was an ignorant & arrogant teenager. My partner's father is a Christian, an incredibly smart man who knew a lot about most religions. I was spouting off nonsense about several things, I can't even remember what exactly, but I was put in my place!
@cloroxlavenderscent4307
Жыл бұрын
Well you know the parables are metaphors right? There are concepts that have symbolism rather than literalism.
@meusana3681
Жыл бұрын
the whole literal vs metaphor thing is a massive "having your bread buttered on both sides" situation. It's a lazy justification for not having to justify something.
@cheesegreater5739
Жыл бұрын
I couldn't win any arguments when I was younger because every time I would try to say something doesn't make sense my friend's dad would just say "it's not literal" or whatever.
@Finckelstein
11 ай бұрын
@@meusana3681 Exactly. It's just a prelude to cherrypicking. When you can decide which parts are real and which parts are not, why even have the bible in the first place? I actually do respect literalists more in that regard. Of course they lose all that respect because of their vile teachings, but they're at least more genuine in their beliefs.
@meusana3681
11 ай бұрын
Yup, at least literalists are consistent with their devotion, revisionists on the other hand, can't bare a part of their doctrine being below their own moral high ground. So to them, refuting their position is as easy as declaring they are significantly more moral than their religion would have them be. @@Finckelstein
@yawarapuyurak3271
5 жыл бұрын
Before watching: Sure, I'm open to finding the flaws in my ideas in order to improve myself. After watching: wait, atheist ACTUALLY make this mistakes? Broooooo, nooooooo!!!!!!
@BlacksmithTWD
5 жыл бұрын
All people make mistakes, that is why people shouldn't be considered to be (a) god(s), you are not god and nor is any other human being. Which actually happens to be the main moral lesson of the first commandment in the OT imho. Quite understandable coming from a culture which has a neighbouring culture where the monarch is regarded as a god.
@efandmk3382
5 жыл бұрын
So, point one out.
@MRayner59
5 жыл бұрын
Very well put. Despite being a lifelong atheist, it still makes me cringe whenever I hear one of those statements being made by fellow non-believers.
@davidhatcher7016
5 жыл бұрын
Cool
@TheGodlessGuitarist
5 жыл бұрын
"religion is the cause of all wars" is one that drives me nuts.
@MrCHI2cool
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheGodlessGuitarist I've never heard that in my life.
@emanuel3345
5 жыл бұрын
@@MrCHI2cool Shit man.. you must be living under a rock. 😂
@TheGodlessGuitarist
5 жыл бұрын
Chigozie I've seen it plenty of times. I've also seen the counter claim mentioned by Eclectic.
@ReligionForBreakfast
5 жыл бұрын
Whoa thanks for the shout out! Love your criticism of “one true Christianity” rhetoric. Scholars call this essentializing (boiling a tradition down to an ‘essential Christianity’). Both religious and non-religious people essentialize religions, and it’s one of the key fallacies I try to counter. Keep up the great work. You're among the most thoughtful and nuanced thinkers in the atheist community, and I appreciate the work you do in a field that so often is filled with too much vitriol.
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Your videos have changed the way I see so many things, and they’ve made me excited to learn more about religion. I hope the shout out helps my viewers become more religiously literate, and helps your channel grow. 😊
@thedabisme61
3 жыл бұрын
Normal people’s intro: a cool short intro Genetically Modified Skeptic: Grape surgery
@tit4357
Жыл бұрын
I looked at the grape surgery and thought, "Maybe this is how they try these new million dollar machines before working on people. I wonder if this is for some arterial surgery and...." I just went off on a tangent :D Als, it was a very cool intro!
@dogboy888k
5 жыл бұрын
Love the Napkin analogy. Getting the facts right is so important. Sam Harris (and I'm sure others) called it Steel Manning. Present the most favourable and accurate version of the opposition and still defeat it.
@TerenceClark
5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you made the point about interpreting scripture. There are tens of thousands of variations of Christianity, some hinging on differences in interpretation of single chapters of the Bible. And while some interpretations can legitimately be determined to be incorrect, in many cases the "right" answer isn't at all clear. Why would we think that we have the right one where they don't? And what's more, much of the time even the author may not be entirely clear on their intent when they write it and may change their minds about their own work over time. To say we know what the authors really meant is in at least some cases just completely ludicrous.
@Khepriem
5 жыл бұрын
Wait, how is your comment nine hours old?!?
@TerenceClark
5 жыл бұрын
@@Khepriem I'm a Patreon subscriber so I get early access.
@TerenceClark
5 жыл бұрын
Or proof of crowdfunded content, anyway. :) I subscribed to GMSkeptic when he made his call for subscribers a few months back to help support him going full time.
@redholm
5 жыл бұрын
I would say that it's perfectly reasonable to read the bible literally in some areas. Like if the bible tells you to do something like this. Like how to keep slaves or not to kill. As I don't see how you would interpret it differently other than just trying to sweep those things under the rug.
@simmerke1111
5 жыл бұрын
I usually bring up interpretations, and why it's harmful to follow a religion that is open for interpretation. In Europe there are a lot of Catholics who all have their own interpretation. Usually only taking the "love all and treat them as you'd like to be treated' line. But how is that single line an excuse for promoting the rest of the bible? Following any form of christianity is supporting extremists by promoting the 99.9% of the bible they choose not to follow.
@LloydEvans
5 жыл бұрын
Great video, and sorely needed! I've heard many misconceptions voiced by atheists who seemingly don't have a fundamentalist background or reasonable understanding of the Bible to help sharpen their arguments (I would have added to your list: "Assumption that all religious people are stupid or liars"). Only two of your points irked a little. I obviously agree that the Bible cannot be taken literally throughout - an example would be the book of Jonah which is the Bible equivalent of a Monty Python sketch, clearly intended to make a few theological points rather than convey history. However, I find that Christians tend to be more guilty of choosing "a la carte" which passages to interpret literally and which symbolically than atheists. If the Bible says something outrageous that has no obvious symbolism and is demonstrably ludicrous, we shouldn't shirk from pointing this out unapologetically (you did sort of say this, but I felt it could have been clearer). Your point about the Bible having some merit was also sound, but I would have added the caveat "the same is true of myriad other manmade books that don't purport to be divinely inspired." When believers ascribe wisdom to the Bible they want us to conclude the wisdom could only come from God. I do find the occasional gem in the Bible (the Good Samaritan parable is my favorite for its strangely secularist message) but I feel it's fair to say the stuff that can be filed under "harmful," "silly" or "eye-wateringly tedious" (geneology lists, dietary restrictions, detailed directions on how to build a tabernacle) far, far outweighs the useful stuff.
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic
5 жыл бұрын
Great feedback! I think I’d add those recommended bits if I were able. Thanks, Lloyd!
@LloydEvans
5 жыл бұрын
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic You're welcome my friend. Keep up the awesome work! :)
@NeoiconMintNet
5 жыл бұрын
This video is well done and makes a great point but the fact is still that religion is harmful and those that believe are stupid and liars. Believing to know how or if this universe was created when no one knows makes you a liar, even if only to yourself, but the danger is telling a child who trusted their parent, this type of nonsense. It is stupid to believe that an uncaring and flawed universe was created by a loving and perfect entity. Equally stupid is to believe in sin, a flaw in us if we where created because the creator is responsible for his creation, especially if he created everything, and therefore can't reasonably blame his creation for any flaws. Blaming others is a human behavior. The danger of coming to a conclusion by ignoring contradictory facts, and only looking for evidence for a believe, failing to understand that a god represents a dictatorship, failing to take responsibility for actions and experienced by assigning the cause to an imaginary entity and believing in magic instead of rational logic based on facts that everything including intelligence evolves and is the result of collaboration of many, is dangerous to society and our intellectual development.
@@NeoiconMintNet If you think all religious people are stupid or liars, then I'm sorry but you don't have enough experience with religious people and this will seriously undermine your efforts to help them. I met some of the smartest people I know inside my former cult. Matt Dillahunty is no intellectual lightweight, and yet he spent much of his life believing this nonsense. Religion's ability to supersede people's intelligence and override their critical thinking ability is the reason why it continues to blight humanity well into the information age. If you can't grasp this, you are at a disadvantage.
@gregoryglozman9948
4 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone, if you have but a moment, I’d like to tell you about our lord in paper, Cafe Napkin.
@cediviannareeda4305
4 жыл бұрын
BLASPHEMER! FOR WHAT IS A NAPKIN BUT A MEAGER USELESS TOOL AGAINST OUR TRUE LORD AND SAVOUR, THE STICKY SPOT!
@slycoopervaultmaster1256
4 жыл бұрын
@@cediviannareeda4305 You are the fool, for the peasantry that is the sticky spot would be nothing without the many Gods that cause the stick!
@stevenstewart3414
3 жыл бұрын
@@cediviannareeda4305 You have clearly been distracted by the temporal sticky spot and have overlooked the eternal spaghetti that left the spot on the Holy Napkin. This is the deeper mystery of the Trinity: Napkin, Spot, and Flying Spaghetti. For in the fulness of days, the spot will be lifted into the heavens and will be eternally with the spaghetti from whence it came. Don't be misled. Keep your eye on the prize (even if it is invisible).
@pua9435
5 жыл бұрын
I love the "BS" sign with an arrow to the oils reference guide LMFAO!
@JoshBurcham104
5 жыл бұрын
This is a great video! As a previous Christian and even young earther (lol), its really annoying to see people make these ridiculous claims about Christianity. It just takes away credibility from any debate.
@xletix69
3 жыл бұрын
i was always an atheist but even I cringe at these claims. Bruh I hate when atheists say stupid shit like "oh but you cherry picking if you eat shrimp" like nah bro you're literally lowering the chances of winning the argument by saying stuff like that ahh stop
@sandiego2380
2 жыл бұрын
this is usually the case with these people. Whenever they argue about a group or someone, they always only look at the negative, create their own claims and facts to back up their opinion and totally ignore the good ones. I've seen this with people attacking refugees, people calling all Muslims terrorists, homophobes attacking about homesexuals, atheists attacking religious people etc etc.
@brendanmccabe8373
5 жыл бұрын
**Putting in a meme to add humour to the video** **Meme dies before uploading video**
@HiltownJoe
5 жыл бұрын
Don't worry Atheists are used to critizise long dead memes. Some died twothousand years ago, rose again and went to heaven.
@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic
5 жыл бұрын
That grape had surgery for your sins, you selfish bastard.
@christiangreff5764
5 жыл бұрын
But I didn't ask it to? Would have prefered to stand up for them on my own ... no respect for personal freedom among grapes anymore ...
@thatguyonyoutube2063
5 жыл бұрын
grapist
@brendanmccabe8373
5 жыл бұрын
Genetically Modified Skeptic He should have let the banana get surgery the selfish bastard
@yumemirai4419
5 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely one of those "well the Bible says this, so you must believe it!" atheists. The napkin part was pretty informative.
@professionalmemeenthusiast2117
5 жыл бұрын
You're using way too many napkins!
@Timmoddly
5 жыл бұрын
As one of those former christians, I'll tell ya a lot of them don't believe a lot of the bible. It's like how some people don't think the star wars books are canon and go by the new movies. These people are wrong, but back to the bible. You got churches that think musical instruments played during church services are wrong and churches with a whole band stand. People interpret what they want out of religion. It's a comfort thing for most people, not a reason thing.
@jacobscrackers98
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's always true that there are multiple or no intended interpretations of a text. That is true only for some works, mostly fictional ones. Most of the time, when a person writes something, they are trying to communicate an idea.
@BrianaLynn7
4 жыл бұрын
I said the same thing. Unless the person claims they believe everything is literal from the Bible it wouldn’t be useful to use that argument against them.
@langreeves6419
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry yume Mirai. No one, including my pastor, gets to tell me what to think. How can an atheist tell me what I believe?
@bgoodfella7413
5 жыл бұрын
"Muslim feminist"...there's an oxymoron.
@dgdaner
5 жыл бұрын
Hi! Billy Mays here for oxymoron! Watch how oxymoron unleashes the power of contradiction making humor appear like magic.
@parker469a
5 жыл бұрын
The best use of the One True Christian Religion argument is to show the hypocrisy of believing that their is only One True Muslim Religion. Both of these groups throw out as much as they see fit to throw out. None of them are consistent in what they believe from sect to sect for better or even way worse.
@godfreyofbouillon966
5 жыл бұрын
Hows that an oxymoron? Two movements harming women rights united.
@bgoodfella7413
5 жыл бұрын
@Let Me Free My point is that since Islam is extremely patriarchal and oppressive towards woman, it' seems contrary to feminism. If she is truly feminist then she should renounce her stupid, violent, racist and misogynist religion. It's almost as absurd as being a neo-Nazi but you are for helping Jewish people. Lol
@terryenby2304
4 жыл бұрын
bgoodfella7413 not at all. One can have a basis of personal belief or spiritual beliefs that align with Islam, and be a feminist. One can also choose to be a Muslim and be a feminist. You don’t need to walk around naked or drink alcohol, eat inappropriate foods, or do anything else that is against Islam to be feminist. I have a few friends who are both Muslim and feminist, or who are non-practicing culturally muslim and feminist. The difference being quite obvious... But unless *you* are a Muslim Woman, how would you know if it’s possible? You can be happy living a simple, good lifestyle with respect. Feminism is about the right to choose. And if women choose to wear clothing, eat and worship in their own way, they can also be feminists if they want to be.
@t3tsuyaguy1
5 жыл бұрын
The way you put together your arguments reminds of the atheist community of 2006. I consider the period of 2006-early 2008 a kind of 'golden age' of youtube. Most videos were just people earnestly debating each other, and the whole site was designed to facilitate this. It was easy to find and respond to comments, and we actually had a video response feature. In 2008 things started to change and many atheist channels either stopped uploading, or transformed into poorly considered echo-chambers of anger and hate. I've been encountering channels like yours with increasing frequency over the last couple of years, and it gives me some hope that civil discourse can return to the internet in some broadly accessible form. We'll see.
@LancesArmorStriking
5 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone addresses the changes to KZitem itself! I'd agree- although, given my experience, I'd place the end-date a little farther down, maybe to 2010. The reason video replies were wiped was because of the reply girls- remember them? Tits and all? YT decided the costs outweighed the benefits, and killed the whole feature. Oh well. I feel like KZitem back then was still such a novelty on its own that a sense of community crossed religious lines... a sense of "hey, we're on the Internet! Cool!" At least, again, that was my early experience. A few years later, and my inbox was flooded with hateful comments from either side (mostly atheists though, I was a Christian then) so I understand the sentiment. Sorry for the text block, it's just so rare that people discuss how KZitem has changed. Facebook and Google are easy targets, but YT has fallen under the mainstream's radar...
@nicholasharvey4393
5 жыл бұрын
Bluemonsoon Explain please?
@nicholasharvey4393
5 жыл бұрын
Bluemonsoon So he stated several points that are obvious to you but not to others. How does this make him an idiot!
@nicholasharvey4393
5 жыл бұрын
Bluemonsoon So he's an idiot for not including your argument? Unless I've utterly misread your comment, that appears to be the message. So, let me tell you something. Somebody not saying that they think something does not mean that they don't think it. For example, I cannot recall ever telling somebody that I believe in gravity: do I therefore not believe in it? Again, forgive me if I misinterpreted anything, but if that's the point you're making, then you're the simpleton.
@nicholasharvey4393
5 жыл бұрын
Bluemonsoon Alright, I firstly must apologise: I wasn't paying much attention to the video, since I was reading comments at the time. In that case, I must ask you to demonstrate that these people existed. If the Gospels were written by the people whose names they share, and these people were indeed gifted linguists (as they must have been), then these people ought to have had more than one work, or some other means of verifying their existence. As far as I can tell, we simply do not know who wrote the Gospels. If John did indeed use scribes, then yes, it makes sense for the Gospels to be named after those scribes. However, as a person who disbelieves the Bible until it is proven true independently, I first need proof that John even existed. My hypothesis is that the entirety of the Gospels was written later, because it makes more sense to me than the multiple-scribes hypothesis since later differences in retelling account better for the contradictions between Gospels than the scribe idea, since that would indicate that John misremembered the story each time in some way. A quick edit: also, the Gospels being written later is hugely impactful regardless of the hypothesis used. John could easily have forgotten some part of the story, and thus told it differently: this is the other potential reason for the contradictions among the books.
@minamcvinnie4629
4 жыл бұрын
Props to you 100% for being willing to take the unpopular and often risky stance of assessing your own group's downfalls and presenting them to others within the group. Bravo and keep up the good work. :)
@annafreitag9498
5 жыл бұрын
That last part about the complexity of the Bible as a complex piece of literature was very interesting. I myself am an atheist and used to be a Christian until my late teens. Studying literature in college, I actually had a whole course on the Bible from a literary perspective, also taking into account its genesis over various different centuries and how the texts were embedded within their respective historical contexts. I think from a scholarly perspective, it would be utterly ludicrous to dismiss such an incredibly complex collection of texts as merely a bunch of nonsense; and as you said, various passages in the Bible are downright poetry (and written by scholars at that). It's highly interesting once you read it from an unbiased, scholarly, or literary perspective, just like any other piece of literature. Here, of course I don't use the narrow sense of the word literature, but a broader meaning which would also for example include ancient myths and things like that. In fact, the Bible contains many such components of myth that had oral or even scriptural origins before they were written down in the Bible, and you can even compare it to the Iliad by Homer if you will; it is theorized that Homer wrote down and kind of enhanced the Iliad which had been an oral epic people had been reciting long before Homer wrote it down (and thereby also changed and elongated it somewhat). In fact, it is even debated whether Homer was ther real author or if there is actually just one author at all. I think sadly, some militant atheists fail to see the Bible within its sociohistorical context. As you said, science as we understand it today was not even established at that time and people had totally different unterstandings of history, truth etc. Now this means that of course you also have to read these things in that context, and you will end up with things that are still relevant or at least interesting today and some things that are just not valid (anymore). It's what you get when you read old texts like that from a scholarly or literary perspective, or maybe even artistic perspectives. There's a famous German author named Bertolt Brecht who was an atheist and socialist, and when he was asked what his favorite book was he said: "You're probably gonna laugh about it, but my favorite book is actually the Bible." And it's not suprising, so much in (Western) literature draws on aspects, stories, characters, or imagery of the Bible.
@stevenliu1377
5 жыл бұрын
You can't have it both ways. If true Christianity is how Christianity is acted out in reality, as you say, then one is not mistaken to consider interpretations held by real Christians he sees as the basis for the Christianity he criticizes, regardless of whether those interpretations are "theological" or "academically reputable." If your first assertion is true, then the distinction is academic, no pun intended. Under this model, you don't get to say, "Well, you got the wrong ideas about Christianity from the Christians. Those are not among the academically accepted interpretations of Christianity held by reputable Christian scholars."
@g0oberdm417
3 жыл бұрын
The Christian community has been in constant issue with how the bible is to be interpreted, say catholics/protestants for example. There is also the case of certain communities holding different views on the bible even within their communities, say American Christians vs irish Christians, here in ireland say we had a massive change over the past 50 years becoming a lot more accepting and overall less religious, religious in belief but not in practice. I think the correct way to pose the issue is "there is no true Christianity" simply due to each community seeing theirs or others as being more or less correct to "true Christianity". I'd say its the issue with theology, everyone varies, scholars may be able to track down the more correct interpretation but this doesn't change the populace.
@grumpyotter
5 жыл бұрын
One thing I dislike is when atheists argue by saying anything a believer believes in, like "Noah's Ark," would be impossible. If they believe, they think God can do anything including helping penguins waddle to the Middle East, so that response is going to get no traction. When I encounter such a claim, i start questioning and asking THEM to explain it. So how did the penguins get there? Did the animals poop? How did they all fit? And I don't do it snarky--i act truly interested. Sometimes, asking someone to explain their beliefs can help them see how ridiculous they are.
@pokerani99
5 жыл бұрын
What are you trying to say exactly?
@grumpyotter
5 жыл бұрын
@@pokerani99 If you allow a religious person to explain their religion to you, and you help simply by asking questions to guide them in the right direction, they'll see how ridiculous it is.
@pokerani99
5 жыл бұрын
grumpyotter oh okay, I see what you’re getting at
@minanikolic1456
5 жыл бұрын
@@grumpyotter Great use of Socrates' method.
@Burn_Angel
5 жыл бұрын
Well, you have penguins on Africa, so I don't think penguins in the middle east would be that abnormal.
@staticGenerator4You
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. I came from an evangelical background. As an evangelical Christian, I was a thinking person, and while I firmly believed in what the Bible taught and honed my skills with like minded believers, I often considered alternate points of view including those of other faiths and of atheists. Atheists who made fun of Christianity, while inaccurately quoting or summarizing their beliefs gave the impression they were only arrogant fools. It was respectful non believers who asked challenging questions with compassion and genuine humanity that opened my mind to consider a world without my beliefs - one step at a time. Atheists who desire or are open to the idea that freeing others from a system of false beliefs is beneficial should carefully listen to and consider employing the concepts in this video.
@gpowitz
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. You helped to point out two of my flaws in my arguments. This helps to arm me even better when dealing with my own very religions family.
@aaronfon18
5 жыл бұрын
He who has has never sinned may throw the first stone, one of my favorite lines in the bible
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
See, there are things of value in it.
@quantumintelligence907
5 жыл бұрын
@@DutchJoan - So you both agree that people with minor crimes may not condemn those with major crimes? I wonder would you both still condemn the actions of someone like hitler, stalin or mao armed with such knowledge?
@brucebaker810
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's a nice sentiment. Do you know that Jesus didn't say it? Or, more precisely, that it didn't appear in early copies of that scripture. Then does appear in later ones. Around the third century, as I recall. So while you can say it's a nice thought. And, technically, is "in the Bible", it wasn't in the original draft. But then we might also be stuck saying saying a second century author is legit scripture. But a third century editor isn't. OTOH... Could all be just a crazy story.
@Xavier_Coogat_the_Mambo_King
5 жыл бұрын
@@quantumintelligence907 well said
@jethropike1964
5 жыл бұрын
the passage doesn't mean Jesus cared about the woman, he wasn't saying it was morally wrong to stone a woman, he wasn't saying the crowd were sinners, he was holding up the law, the sin was if someone stoned her it would have been an illegal stoning, the sin was stoning her without a witness or the guilty man,
@JacobBush16
5 жыл бұрын
If we refuse to self-analyze, we become as ignorant as those we are criticizing. No one is above criticism, because no one is a god. Great video with some thought-provoking insights I’ll keep in mind next time I debate a Christian.
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
I fully agree, except that a god is above criticism.
@ratamacue0320
5 жыл бұрын
No god should be above criticism, either.
@skwills1629
5 жыл бұрын
@@ratamacue0320 How would you go about critisisng a god, exactly? One thing I find trite in Humanism, and that inclue modern day Atheism, is that it pretends that Man is the measure of all Things. And if you point out that God is supposed to be a beign far above Humaity, thisis made out to be a stupid tlaking point or a way to avoid hard issues. It snot. Think about it. If God exists and is as described, then God is an Eternal, all knowing SPirit, and not really Human. Why on Earth o you Think o understand the perspective of an all knowing Spirit that isn't even Human well eouhg to critiis their Actions? I'm not saying you can't ritisise cetain ideas and beleifs eopel have of God, but its silly to critiise God himself because if God doens't exist, you are critisisng nothing, and if Go does exist, he's so alin to the Human Experunce thatit'd be absurd to pretend the Critisism matters.
@FallenFromGlory
11 ай бұрын
why@@DutchJoan
@thorveim1174
3 жыл бұрын
"there isn't one true christianity" i find it funny that that sentence in itself can ge used against christians.. so, the unfallible, perfect word of god can be interpreted in several (some of which are bound to be wrong) ways? If his divine word was truely perfect, you'd expect everyone to understand it in an unified way.
@enzoarayamorales7220
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen christians equate denominational splits and schisms as equivilant to the scientific method's self correcting process, is this a valid defense?
@thorveim1174
3 жыл бұрын
@@enzoarayamorales7220 Nope. Science self-correcting is something eventually everyone agrees upon; a consensus is reached. Christian splits leads to new groups that claim the other is wrong and only they hold the truth, without an unified consensus ever being reached; if that hapened, there wouldn't be so many different and opposing christian faiths still around.
@FidgetTheMidget8P
4 жыл бұрын
I have heaps of respect for how logically and openly you approach everything. You don't revert to bias (except for the bias towards listening and being kind) and you're willing to criticize anything in a conversational manner. Mad respect
@nothingmuch6666
5 жыл бұрын
On your point about atheists saying things like "That's not Christian of you", I don't think they're saying there is one true interpretation of Christianity, I think often, they are pointing out that the bible takes a firm, unambiguous stance on certain things, and that Christians don't agree with that stance, or don't follow those teachings because they don't like them. As for your point about atheists saying the bible should be taken literally, I think what they're getting at, is your last point on this subject about how it is supposed to have come from an omnipotent, omniscient God that created the entire universe, yet it's full of folklore and metaphors, which you wouldn't expect if it came from such a God, so if it can't all be taken literally, for obvious reasons, then clearly it isn't inspired by an omnipotent, omniscient God, and so there's no reason to believe such a God exists. Having said all of that in poorly formed sentences, because I just woke up and can't be bothered structuring things properly, this is a great video, with valid criticisms, though I feel you may have missed where people are coming from with those two things, although I may also be wrong, I was just stating what I think people mean when they say those things, and where I personally would be coming from if I said them.
@lordofthebeltsthereturnoft1127
5 жыл бұрын
This guy in the video thinks like a Christian, if he doesn't like a part of the bible he just tells himself it isn't literal and is some metaphor. Like even the new testament blatantly saying that slaves should obey their masters etc. The guy in the video has a low ability of logical thinking, as he was raised Christian. He thinks in many ways like a Christian, and even though he now believes he is an atheist he still gets triggered clearly when people dismantle the bible and the BS it blatantly says.
@brainlessoaf
5 жыл бұрын
Regarding the argument that "the Bible shouldn't contain metaphors/folklore if it came from God", I'd have to disagree. Fictional stories can be really good at pushing a point, especially a moral one. As for why the Bible contains such metaphors in the first place, perhaps God didn't expect people to take everything 100% literally? There's also the point that God didn't write the Bible Himself, so it's possible that the authors embellished a little and that the truth of the matter is a little less fantastical. As a disclaimer, I am not and have never been religious, so these arguments might not reflect the views of any true Christians. This is just my interpretation of the matter because I've spent WAY too much of my life thinking about theism.
@nothingmuch6666
5 жыл бұрын
@@brainlessoaf That's an interesting and I think valid point of view, though if God does exist, and is the one described in the bible, not only should he have expected people to take it 100% literally, he would have known that people would (you know, because of the whole omniscience thing), in which case I think it is irresponsible of such a being to have communicated important teachings through fictional stories such as those contained within the bible. If Yahweh is real, and the stories in the bible were created by the writers to convey his teachings, that would make sense why it's full of folklore and fairytales, but again I think it would be irresponsible of a being such as Yahweh to allow his message to be spread in a way that he knew would mislead people, especially when he's supposed to be omnipotent, and so should be able to convey his teachings in a way that doesn't mislead people about anything, while maintaining the same message. Tl;dr: Your viewpoint is interesting, but I still think that fairytales and folklore shouldn't be in a book that is supposed to be "the word of God" or "the inspired word of God" when said God is supposed to have the characteristics it's described as having in said book.
@kroutkas5507
4 жыл бұрын
@@lordofthebeltsthereturnoft1127 Did you watched the video up until the end? He doesn't say that all the Bible is metaphorical and he totally acknowledges that it contains immoral BS such as slavery (10:11)
@StudioHannah
5 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I obviously disagree with a lot of what you said, but I really appreciate how you’re not looking at Christians like idiot monsters and are instead approaching the subject as someone who wants to teach others what you think is the truth. I mean, it’s why I’m subscribed - you’re a decent bloke :) And I do really try to listen with an understanding of my bias. There were a few points you made that I didn’t have a response to right away so it’s encouraged me to do more of a look into them. But for now, it’s time for me to head off to church 😗 haha
@MichaelAChristian1
5 жыл бұрын
Believe in Jesus Christ and you shall have everlasting life! Jesus loves you! Get a king james bible and believe. Read Matthew. Read 1 John chapter 4. Read Genesis chapter 40.
@gracemaddox993
5 жыл бұрын
Hey, what were some of the points you disagreed with? I’d love to discuss this more.
@yottaforce
5 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAChristian1 You sound like a used car salesman from a bad 80' movie. I don't think it works here.
@MichaelAChristian1
5 жыл бұрын
"Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come. Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together. Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you. I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay. Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words. The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings. For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word. Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion."- Isaiah chapter 41 verses 21 to 29.
@yottaforce
5 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAChristian1 "Nøgletallene for indtjeningsevne for virksomeder, der opstiller resultatopgørelsen funktionsopdelt kan ikke sammenligned med virksomheder der anvender artsopdeling. Beregningerne er foretaget på vidt forskelligt grundlag. For artsopelingen er der kun fratrukket materialeomkostninger ved beregningen af bruttoresultatet." This is a random quote from a book named Erhversøkonomi til akademiuddannelserne. Your quote impress just as little as my quote impress you. Your bible does not have any special significance to anyone but you. You are just making noise.
@nerdysister
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like if people claim to have an interest in religion, for whatever reason, they should do their part to actually study the things they claim to believe. They can have a better-rounded, nuanced understanding of the subject. Two authors I highly recommend in the study of the bible and ANE history are bart ehrman and the late dr david neiman. I've read all of their books and, as a die-cast atheist, I have had better discussions with atheists and non-theists alike to share understanding.
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
Point is some of them do study their claims. But only in an apologetic way, to confirm what they already believe. It is good to study different points of view. The scholars you mentioned are indeed worth reading and listening to.
@NeoiconMintNet
5 жыл бұрын
@Jim Merrilees but that's the issue: people tend to believe what they are told instead of thinking about the logical validity of the claim. The question is not which religion is true but why do people want their believe acknowledged instead of confirmed, resulting in so many religions.
@TulilaSalome
5 жыл бұрын
Karen Armstrong too. On the plus side, for the purpose of trying to persuade Christians to pick up her books, she is not an atheist. I have not read nearly enough, but her history of the bible is full of interesting facts, written in a very readable style. (It's called The Bible: A Biography - from 2007)
@rgingrich3370
5 жыл бұрын
Another one to check out is Dr. Michael Heiser. He dives heavily into the ANE and how much of the OT is written directly combat other written works of the time.
@alsmith5526
5 жыл бұрын
I suggest you actually study the Bible and I suggest you read God and the Astronomers. God is real.
@thakraken6995
4 жыл бұрын
What I love is when you tell somebody that you aren't a Christian anymore and they tell you that you were never a Christian to begin with
@WillPhil290
3 жыл бұрын
Most unpopular video ever??? Yeah right... this guy blows my mind every single day... his approach is humble... informative... sincere... and he takes everything he can into account. Couldnt ask for a more honest assessment... thanks Drew!
@nucleargandhi2709
5 жыл бұрын
This is a good video, but your comments on the claim that "the Bible was written by savages" don't really address the claim itself. You point out that the Bible was undoubtedly written by educated scholars and scribes, but that doesn't contradict the claim. Most often, at least in secular humanist circles, the term "savage" is used not to describe the intelligence of a person or culture, but rather their personal morals or cultural ethics. For instance, if the brightest minds of the ancient Levant believed that children should be stoned for disobeying their parents, then they might very well be described as savages, regardless of their intelligence or scholastic merit.
@yves2281
5 жыл бұрын
Doing so, you use your ethics to categorise people between "ethic" or "savage". This is OK for you, but this is relative to you. No ethic, no moral is universal.
@imkluu
5 жыл бұрын
I do not think that they should be defined as savages, based on the way you defined it, at most it only would show that some of their actions were savage. The murder of over a million unborn children each year could be considered savage, but the people of the US could not rightly be called savages. What I often hear isn't the writers being called savages, but bronze aged nomads or shepherds, or something like that. Neither of these are true, either. Some other things I hear often, which to me only shows ignorance or just being a troll, is when they call God a bearded man in the sky, which is not the depiction the Bible ever states, but is based only on artwork. Also, calling Jesus a zombie shows ignorance of the story of Jesus or the definition of zombies. Zombies are animated corpses, while Jesus was resurrected, brought back to life. Thirdly is when they call the Bible a fairy tale. This not only shows ignorance of the Bible, but also of fairy tales. The only thing in common between the Bible and fairy tales is the use of giants and dragons. These aren't even greatly used in the Bible, only in a few places, and for the most part are within the mythic or poetic parts of the work. Use of them does not make the Bible a fairy tale. If anything it only makes those particular stories in the Bible such, but even then these instances do not fit within the definition of a fairy tale.
@crankytec
5 жыл бұрын
Correct! They could have been the foremost scholars of their time, but they were still extremely primitive by today's standards, especially when talking about Old Testament. Since the Bible is supposedly at least "inspired", if not written, by the divine being of timeless wisdom, intelligence and morality, it gives us the ground to compare the moral teachings of the Bible against today's (and future) ethical standards. I think we will all agree, that is something in which the Bible fails miserably. Therefore, it is perfectly OK to say the Bible was written by primitives. Sorry GMSkeptic!
@nucleargandhi2709
5 жыл бұрын
@LordSear1982 They are just as valid "judges" as anyone else. Perhaps more so, if you adhere to the social mores of Western liberal democracies.
@yves2281
5 жыл бұрын
@Religion Sucks Yes for "every generation does this". The question is: what is more true, the Bible or the position of the "secular humanist circles" as described by Nuclear Gandhi? Based on what premises? You said: "if god is perfect, how or why did his morality change?" Who knows what the morality of God is? The Bible is not the Coran, self-proclaimed book with God's words given by God to men. The Bible is an interpretation by men on what they experienced/understand about God. The understanding of the morals have changed through time. Doesn't mean there is, or not, an absolute morality. And I don't think it exists an objective morality, as morality is still a humanly interpretation of what is good or bad, in the light of God's will for the believers, and without God for the unbelievers. Chance we have to come from the same origin, and still share a lot of common values. For instance, the ability to talk about those values.
@kurttruk2
5 жыл бұрын
The mark of quality in a group (at whatever level they have developed up to) is how strongly and honestly they tend to critise themselves. Good on you
@krisbrants9461
4 жыл бұрын
I'm an agnostic and a Jordan Peteson fan. I found this channel quite informative and unbiased. I'm wondering what bad ideas Jordan Peterson is spreading.
@MrZaborskii
4 жыл бұрын
GM has made at least one video specifically on Jordan Peterson, all about Peterson's claim that "intertwined snakes are the double helix in DNA, likely discovered by human clairvoyance." It's easy to miss GM's direct response to the claim in that video, (a lot of the comments did, and in fairness to them, he doesn't state it until 8 minutes in) but I interpreted his response as, "snakes mate while intertwined like that, dude. People across the world likely saw them mating like that, which might have influenced early human art, and that's an explanation you failed to even consider." In other words, Jordan Peterson doesn't seem to apply a rigorous, logical standard to every, single one of his own claims. Maybe, you will claim, he applies high standards to most of them. But certainly not to the one Drew was pointing out. Funny coincidence, Drew says the video we are watching might be his least popular video yet. And maybe it once was (at 516 dislikes currently, I doubt it was ever his most disliked video), but his response to Peterson's double-helix claim currently has 11k dislikes. That's more than 20x as many dislikes. Link to video here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yn-csoiHen18mZw
@MrZaborskii
4 жыл бұрын
He has also put Peterson in the thumbnail for his videos discussing, "quacks." Search "4 ways quacks evade criticism" and search "4 ways quacks manipulate their audiences" to see what I'm talking about.
@MrZaborskii
4 жыл бұрын
More than either of these, Drew has expressed concern for the level of "parroting" he sees in Peterson's fans when they defend his points. I believe he even made a video delving into whether Peterson fans are a cult. I promise you, the video is fair, and even Peterson's defenders seemed satisfied with Drew's conclusions and methodology (I'm judging this by the like/dislike ratio. It had a way better rating than the double helix video.)
@krisbrants9461
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrZaborskii I did indeed find those videos after I left this comment. It's the holidays and all, so most people are spending their time more wisely, but if you want to, we can have a chat about this subject. I'm not challenging you to a debate, mind you. I just haven't had the chance to discuss Peterson in this way before. Happy newyear
@MrZaborskii
4 жыл бұрын
@@krisbrants9461 I'm going to work pretty soon here (I live in Pacific Standard Time and work evening shifts) so not likely today. But more importantly, the only Peterson video I have watched is "what happens when you lie." As such, I don't believe I would have much to add to a discussion on the topic of Peterson. Then again, I do have Player FM on my phone... And I would appreciate talking to a person about anything, honestly. I've been pretty lonely. I'll download Tragedy Vs Evil and the Psychology of Redemption, and get back to you on what I think of them. If there are lectures you'd like me to listen to, I'll download those as well. I walk to work, after all. 25 minutes of whatever I want to listen to.
@bliss4689
5 жыл бұрын
Jesus never did surgery on a grape... Atheists: 1 Christianity: 0
@coreywilson3493
4 жыл бұрын
Decent meme, but not quite worth a like.
@Empedocles449
3 жыл бұрын
@@KezanzatheGreat Scientists found the ideas that made the machines with which surgeons did the surgery.
@cottawalla
3 жыл бұрын
The surgeon and grape were not in the same room, city, country, or even [necessarily] hemisphere. I'm waiting for the biblical explanation for that.
@geralddseguin1686
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this Video. As a Christian and as a Human. Especially the Napkin analogy. "Describe what Christians Do and you will describe what Christianity is." Although I don't think it will settle on a single definition unfortunately, which really is Christianity's fault in my own opinion. That being said I do try to follow your line of thought when I make it my goal to show my Christianity by how I act and not by what I read or how I interpret the Bible. Thank you for your insightful and intelligent videos. I really Enjoy them
@varun7599
4 жыл бұрын
Do you know who is the best critic of Christianity? Christ himself
@tjseries3057
4 жыл бұрын
Boom
@nadeemshaikh7863
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I don't get it!
@varun7599
3 жыл бұрын
@@nadeemshaikh7863 Jesus criticised his day's religious leaders severely(mainly in Matthew 23). Those criticisms are still applicable today. So that's why he is best critic of Christians.
@gillifish
3 жыл бұрын
Christ actually hated religion lol. Good dude
@ws7009
3 жыл бұрын
@@varun7599 another misunderstanding of Christianity lol. Christ criticised those in Judaism(their religious leaders)
@jemckee
3 жыл бұрын
The napkin gives and the napkin takes away. Blessed be the name of the napkin.
@ShannonQ
5 жыл бұрын
I hate clap emojis but...👏👏👏
@user-lw5oc1tt8k
5 жыл бұрын
I hate responding to attention whores but.. hi!
@totallynotjeff7748
5 жыл бұрын
"I applaud you for this"
@DANGER10101
5 жыл бұрын
I hate you but... nvm i still hate you
@jo31b
5 жыл бұрын
God Emperor Soros sheeee looka like-a man
@Grim_Beard
5 жыл бұрын
Shannon, shall I get you some anti-biotic emojis to clear that up?
@e.j.houston3565
4 жыл бұрын
This guy is so intelligent and one of the best critical thinkers on KZitem.
@Zeturic
5 жыл бұрын
At the very least, when I say that the Bible was written by savages, I don't mean that literally. It's more of a condemnation of their morality based on the work they produced.
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
I get that, you get that. But a typical christian doesn't get that.
@rorytennes8576
5 жыл бұрын
Compared to us, today, they were savages. Not that some today are much better, but in general life was more savage then compared to now.
@nut913
5 жыл бұрын
In their contemporary time they were actually better than their neighbors. Only thing would be circumcision, which is practiced in other regions to signify becoming a man.
@ItachiUchiha-qx7xo
5 жыл бұрын
Its easy to act like you have moral high ground speaking from the perspective of a culture thousands after theirs. All culture completely saturated to the core with the morality of the belief system you're trying to discredit. Smart.
@shadowofthehitokiri5787
5 жыл бұрын
'Primitive' might be a better word.
@RobinHood70
3 жыл бұрын
In reality, the napkin was the poor guy's last will and testament. He actually titled a painting, The Choice To Drink, and was giving it to the first person to find the napkin. The devotees got so lost in their own arguments about it, however, that they never stopped to examine any other interpretations.
@MeadowsSweep
5 жыл бұрын
*"The four Gospels were authored anonymously by four separate authors in scholarly Greek years after Jesus legends had spread and mutated by word of mouth throughout the region"* That's an interesting statement. The obvious question I'd like to ask is exactly what was the Gospel message before it mutated? Where is the evidence that confirms this claim?
@marquisdemoo1792
5 жыл бұрын
The evidence is that the gospels do not concur, so they cannot be original and they contain historical errors, which they would not if contemporaneously written. The gospel message before mutation was probably verbal, after all what was the point of writing it down if Jesus was coming back within a lifetime? "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
@MaestroRigale
4 жыл бұрын
I think an even more obvious question than “What was the Gospel message before it mutated?” is “Is there an original, single, cohesive Gospel message?” He addresses the point regarding even the question of a single “Gospel message” very well starting at 4:45 and continuing to 5:05. Give me a moment and I’ll quote the most pertinent points: “... unless you think all the authors of scripture had a cohesive intent which is completely knowable, or that scripture really was directly inspired by a single divine being, you have no reason to conclude that a religion such as Christianity has a single true interpretation.”
@mariusm957
4 жыл бұрын
Marquis de Moo how do they not concur? Have you read them? They are very detailed and some stories are almost exact. From 4 different sources to have the same message that is evidence that it was not mutated
@knowledgeseeker5393
4 жыл бұрын
They are eyewitness accounts from 4 separate points of view. And this common atheistic claim that they were written many decades after Christ left the earth is false. All of the gospels were likely written before 70AD, with Mark being written within a decade of Christ’s resurrection.
@Philosophical_engineer
4 жыл бұрын
Knowledge Seeker53 really Christ’s resurrection. 😂 I’ve always wondered, Christians believe that Jesus levitated into the sky when he resurrected. But where did he levitate to? Didn’t he know that up there was space? Are you telling me that a guy who couldn’t survive 2nails somehow managed to fly through the vacuum of space like captain marvel. And where was he going, to alpha centuri?😂 if christians claim that heaven is not a physical place, then there was no need for him to resurrect.😂. Remember the people who wrote these stories thought heaven was in the sky and didn’t know that up there is a vacuum of space. This is what happens when people try to make up lies like the resurrection without knowing enough facts about the reality they live in. So the lie doesn’t match the facts about the reality and hence the lie isn’t strong enough to survive logic.
@wingsuiter2392
5 жыл бұрын
The definition of savage is primitive and uncivilized. The writers of the Bible were primitive and uncivilized compared to today just as people in 2,000 will view us a savages. Savage itself has nothing to do with education. The New Testament was far less savage that the Old but still promoted human sacrifice and eternal physical and emotional torture. I have a hard time finding more savage ideas than these two...just my thoughts on the matter. Well thought out video, nice job!
@itzhen7032
5 жыл бұрын
Wingsuiter so by your difinition aristotle, heroditus and cesar Were all primitive.
@redholm
5 жыл бұрын
@@itzhen7032 That they where. Remember, it's compared to us now. Also the wording was Savages not Primitives. Those you mentioned are in fact Primitives. Just like how we will be Primitive in a few thousand years. But I would have a harder time calling them Savages (Other than Cesar maybe) as the Greek civilization was rather ahead of it's time in some areas.
@OldBenOne
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not waiting. I'm going to view us as savages now.
@redholm
5 жыл бұрын
@@OldBenOne I would most definitely call some people savage at least :P
@robertnett9793
5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it is how you say it and not what you say. Of course the definition of savage is a neutral one - but in general, the word has a very negative conotation. Starting a dispute with a Christian - or any other religious person by bluntly calling the authors of the respective holy scripture savages - while technically true - won't help if you want to convince someone. That's the moment where they must come to the conclusion, that a normal talk with you uncouth Atheist is no longer possible. Those you talk to don't know your rationalisation of why you use that word. I mean you are right - human sacrifice and torture (general treating of enemies) equal rights for foreigners, women and other groups were horrible compared to our standards now. But your counterpart doesn't know that this is your line of reasoning. Your counterpart only hears an unfounded attack and an insult by proxy (as you believe in this book, you aren't better than them).
@XavierXonora
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, we're all just here for continuous improvement
@herbwardaultifiel6345
4 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that you put this up. Willingness to admit you're wrong is the antithesis of learning and becoming a better person. How else would you gain knowledge in any field? Thank you for this.
@erictaylor5462
3 жыл бұрын
2:30 To say that these scholars were completely scientifically illiterate isn't really fair. We we today call science and scientific thinking did exist even in ancient and prehistoric time, even if it was in a proto form. A great many scientific discoveries were made long before scientific thinking was formally structured.
@Outcast115
2 жыл бұрын
I don't recall any significant scientific achievements from the Israelitie civilization, I guess it's telling that the only thing of historic note to come from the ancient Hebrew kingdoms was the world's most evil and insidious two religions, Christianity and Islam.
@lawrenceeason8007
4 жыл бұрын
Knock knock "Who's there?" "It's Jesus let me in" "Why do you want in?" "I want to save you" "Save me from what?" "From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in"
@BillyButton63
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like something a creepy serial killer would say, not a saver.
@lawrenceeason8007
4 жыл бұрын
@@BillyButton63 yeah I think it's pretty accurate
@dirky1185
4 жыл бұрын
@@lawrenceeason8007 i dont get it, when does Jesus say he's going to do hell
@lawrenceeason8007
4 жыл бұрын
@@dirky1185 the only way you get to go to the happy place is to be saved...right?
@lukedebruin2077
4 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Eason Hell(eternal death) is what awaits everybody after the first death. Jesus offers you a different outcome because of His love for you.
@jayleneellis9308
5 жыл бұрын
I like to assume that god is not all powerful, I use Thor as my god of choice when talking hypothetically.
@paladinrose
5 жыл бұрын
Then why call it a god? Why not just a more powerful being?
@diobrando6716
5 жыл бұрын
Matt Munsinger How dare you question Thor!!
@diobrando6716
5 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to assume it. Yahweh has never demonstrated the amount of power(neither in mythology nor in real life) his followers attribute to him. If you actually analyze his accomplishments and feats he’s not much stronger than any other pagan deity.
@flotinaway7
5 жыл бұрын
@@diobrando6716 Thunderbolt and lightning...very very frightening..Thor is a cool god indeed!
@akeem4772
5 жыл бұрын
@@diobrando6716 I think he threw a comet at sodom and gamora once
@prophet239
3 жыл бұрын
I mean the bible clearly stated the Earth bieng round so I wouldn't say they were completely blinded of science.
@onlyechadtherebellious2467
3 жыл бұрын
But the earth isn’t round actually
@wellingtonsmith4998
5 жыл бұрын
I also hate 'clap emoji's' but this was a good video. clap, clap, clap! don't assume to know what your Christian friend thinks or believes; instead ask them. it's called dialogue.
@Tairneanach
5 жыл бұрын
Precisely. We get upset when Christians tell us what atheism is because they get it wrong most of the time; we should absolutely keep in mind that we can easily fall into the same trap.
@rareyman
5 жыл бұрын
👏 👏 👏
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
@Wellington Smith Why do you hate clap emojis?
@felixtroendle245
5 жыл бұрын
"don't assume to know what your Christian friend thinks or believes": Conversely, don't trust your friend 100% when they do tell you what they think they believe. Most religious believers don't know that much about their religion, and the best adherents of the Abrahamic religions follow versions of their respective faiths with only the most tenuous support in their scripture (but no-one will tell you: "I'm Christian, but I believe God wants me to ignore 95% of His holy word, because Jesus Christ, have you read that shit?!").
@Eggscargot
5 жыл бұрын
Don't 👏 think 👏 you 👏 can 👏 hate 👏 clap 👏 emojis 👏 until 👏 you've 👏 spent 👏 5 👏 hours👏 writing👏 an 👏 entire 👏 essay 👏 in 👏 this 👏 format. 👏
@kenwalter3892
5 жыл бұрын
When Shannon Q drops clap emojis on your vid you've hit the big time. For realzz. Oh! And good vid per usual.
@isaacmcgehee2245
4 жыл бұрын
Got to say, I’m an ex-Christian atheist and this might just be my favorite video from you to date.
@SartorialDragon
Жыл бұрын
“not all XYZ“ is usually not a good argument. it usually derails the structural problems that are being called out. There's a line by a German feminist rapper which counters a “but some men are good men“ with “if you were one of them, you'd understand my point“.
@Magic_Tricks-p8d
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It definitely needs to be said about Christianity. As there are atheists who just blatantly tells Christians to do what they say Christians must act.
@randomknowledgeperson2872
4 жыл бұрын
I read the comments about Napkins before I watched that part of the video. I was so confused.
@Tairneanach
5 жыл бұрын
What, you don't regularly speak in poetry?
@bentaylor809
5 жыл бұрын
Doth thou speak falsly?
@sealogic4552
5 жыл бұрын
Only when I’m speaking with a beautiful woman
@valmid5069
2 жыл бұрын
Simplified Version: *Certain atheists act as NPCs during the worst times of history*
@ApPersonaNonGrata
5 жыл бұрын
"Christian" is just a religious category or "theme". It's a public domain label that countless people pretend they have intellectual property rights to. They just slap the label on their own ideological product, just to sell it. "God's own original recipe". It's just lazy marketing.
@isaacgruver7061
5 жыл бұрын
As a Lutheran Christian, I love this. It started with catholics and then Martin Luther accidently made a new version of Christianity, and then a million more people decided they wanted a brand for themselves
@ApPersonaNonGrata
5 жыл бұрын
@cryforme harder (cool name, by the way), I agree. It's a silly notion to try calling dibs on faith (or religious faith) as a concept. Beyond that, I agree that it's silly when people try to do that with brand-names like "Christian". But while it may be silly, ... I'm sure if they just called it "Yet another personalized emulation of Narcissistic Personality Disorder for childish sadomasochists with extreme Daddy Issues irrationally seeking validation from a larger-than-life parent figure who is ultimately only a character seeded into the mind ... for the purpose of controlling people who are ultimately happy to surrender that control in exchange for not having to grow up and take adult-level responsibility for their life" ... it wouldn't get nearly the same traction as just calling it "Christianity".
@stephenolan5539
5 жыл бұрын
@@isaacgruver7061 There were two Popes at the same time before Martin Luther.
@MoonatikYT
4 жыл бұрын
I love how even the arguments against the arguments present a decent argument against what is being argued against in the original arguments. Sorry if that was too meta.
@ألفومية-ح5ك
5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Lebanon.
@arreca09
5 жыл бұрын
Greetings and good luck, yikes
@jondeare
5 жыл бұрын
Lebanon scares me.
@ألفومية-ح5ك
5 жыл бұрын
@@jondeare How
@DANGER10101
5 жыл бұрын
I always thought the Lebanon flag and the Canadian the same flag
@DANGER10101
5 жыл бұрын
@NPC 5139125 idk i was a kid i rarely seen them so i thought the tree one had to be Canadian
@RobertHollander
5 жыл бұрын
Good work, as always. I have one observation about the language of the New Testament. I am an ex-fundamentalist also, current atheist for 40+ years. I graduated college with a double major: Speech Communications and Biblical Studies, from Wheaton College. To meet the foreign-language requirements to graduate from Wheaton, I took two years of Koine Greek. You make reference to scholarly Greek. I'm not saying you are wrong but the name of it, Koine Greek translates into "Common Greek." It was the common language of the people at the time. "Common" does not imply "scholarly" yet it does not contradict "scholarly" either. It could be both common and scholarly. Considering that literacy was not a given as it is today, one could possibly argue that anyone who could read and write would be a scholar compared to the general population and any writings produced would be scholarly, almost by definition.
@claudes.whitacre1241
5 жыл бұрын
Why don't you do a video on irrational reasons people say they are an Atheist. I'm a n atheist, but when I ask why someone else is, I often hear an irrational reason for their lack of faith. Just a thought. You show surprising insight. Added Later; My question to atheist friends is first "Did you start out believing?"...and then "What caused you to change your mind?". If they were always a non-believer, it's less interesting to me. I'm more interested in the thinking process they went through than whether they are a believer or not. My question is never "Why are you an atheist?"...that's awkward and can be taken as mildly hostile. And although I am an atheist, being an atheist is just a byproduct of critical thinking. For me atheism is not the main thing.
@ramham24
5 жыл бұрын
That would be an interesting video! What examples do you have of people being an atheist for irrational reasons? I mean well.
@kirksteady5358
5 жыл бұрын
@Claude S. Whitacre Why are you an atheist? Could you please tell us why you decided to not believe in any gods?
@signantwolf6502
5 жыл бұрын
Not a bad question. Honestly, some people's reasons tend to evolve over time. Mine was because I didn't like the way I saw many of the Christian's around me behave, which is kind of a dumb reason. I then stayed away because some of the teachings in the bible didn't gel well with what I believed to be right (mainly stuff about prosecuting people who didn't really deserve it). Now, I just have my own separate beliefs, and just don't really care much about religion as a whole, though some find solace in it.
@Ula-Ka
5 жыл бұрын
@@ramham24 For example people losing faith when something really bad happens to them. As if they were fine as long as the really bad things only happened to other people.
@Mescaline82
5 жыл бұрын
@@kirksteady5358 Decide to not believe ??? If anyone "decide something", first of all it is those who believe "in something" ! Thinking that you need to "decide to not believe" sounds awkward, It is only for those who refute their pair's believes ! It is not for the common atheist, Not for the Natural, skeptic educated, realistic or random atheist ! Only for those who come back from obscurantism !
@ParzivalTheThird
3 жыл бұрын
That opening clip had so many layers I could not comprehend the actual joke.
@null6955
5 жыл бұрын
can you do one for islam? i think the rhetoric a lot of athiests use towards islam is doing more harm than good. a muslim hearing that their religion is incompatible with western values/society is only going to be pushed further into their delusions. and christians do it a lot too, because they get an ego boost to imply that western values are christian values.
@ceruchi2084
5 жыл бұрын
And yet radical Islam has proven more dangerous (in terms of lives lost) to the West than radical Christianity. Edit: in recent years.
@null6955
5 жыл бұрын
@@ceruchi2084 ok? thanks for the input. i didn't deny that. i'm saying it doesn't help when muslims, who are most often immigrants in the west, hear that their belief system isn't compatible with western values. is that supposed to snap them out of it? or does that make them think people saying it are unreasonable? and on top of that that they aren't welcome in this society?
@PhilipThompson
5 жыл бұрын
"Countless Christians believe that the four Gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, poor Aramaic speaking Jewish laymen, but they ABSOLUTELY weren't". A bold claim, presumably influenced by Ehrman's work, that I am sure a great many scholars (both Christian and atheist) would disagree with.
@robmullin1128
5 жыл бұрын
I’m a Christian and I enjoy this channel. It challenges my faith and causes me to think about what I believe and why. I have read in the comments on several of his videos from Christians who state that this channel has actually strengthened their faith because it has caused them to actually do some research to back up why they believe.
@c82153
5 жыл бұрын
"reading the text, interpreting it the best that we can, personally, and then proclaiming our interpretation to be what Christianity really is..." hmmm... that method sounds familiar... Fantastic video btw
@albertoandrade9807
3 жыл бұрын
There have been wars becuase people disagreed with who must do tje interpretation
@JamesRichardWiley
4 жыл бұрын
Christianity: A dead messianic, end times, wandering, Hebrew preacher reversed his own death two thousand years ago and went visiting friends and relatives for six weeks in a town occupied by Roman soldiers before floating up to his magic kingdom in the clouds for a reunion with his self. Oh, I almost forgot - he's now invisible so the High Priests that ordered him crucified never found out he wasn't dead after all.
@betterthanmfrudd1439
4 жыл бұрын
Have you read the bible? If you have then you would know a lot of what you said, was incorrect, next time do some research before you spout crap out of your mouth.
@Carriebloss
Жыл бұрын
This is actually one of my favorite videos of yours. Learning what things we get wrong when debating and conversing with theists is super interesting
@Resavian
5 жыл бұрын
The problem with genesis isn't that it doesn't teach the difference between ignorance and knowledge, it is that it teaches that the former is good where as the later leads to sin and terror
@DutchJoan
5 жыл бұрын
Genesis also teaches that Yahweh isn't that picky. A lot of men that the NT would consider flawed were men after God's heart.
@Resavian
5 жыл бұрын
@@DutchJoan Not sure if your observation of god's inconsistent message about what he wants from a person is supposed to be supportive of him or not, but me personally, I like beings with the capacity and willingness to dole out eternal punishment to be very clear about what will and will not result in you ending up in said place.
@ceruchi2084
5 жыл бұрын
Enforced ignorance is always the priority of the priestly class. If people thought for themselves, the priests wouldn't have their unfailing obedience, so it's no surprise that they call the pursuit of knowledge the original sin.
@anonymaus8191
5 жыл бұрын
Knowledge of good and evil is terrifying. That's why atheists retreat into their amoral mechanistic fantasy.
@Resavian
5 жыл бұрын
@@anonymaus8191 sigh. Do try again dear, this time with some actual thought.
@SamWeltzin
5 жыл бұрын
Just pointed out the "There is no one true Christianity" to someone else recently. I'm glad to see that on this list.
@michaeljones7465
5 жыл бұрын
We don't have true Christianity. Jesus taught strict laws like Moses & Mohammed. It is clear that much of the old testament was still enforced by Jesus himself, but modern Christians would not accept this.
@SamWeltzin
5 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljones7465 A number of modern Christians who accept that, including, presumably, you. I have a good friend who's a pastor, and he's frustrated that people ignore the Old Testament, and he incorporates that into his sermons. So that's a pretty provably false statement. Though I would agree that there is no true Christianity, since Christianity is not true.
@joelrodriguez1232
5 жыл бұрын
A note to my atheist friends: the fact that you grew up attending a fundamentalist Baptist church in rural Kentucky or a Catholic parish in Toronto or California , does not automatically give you an informed perspective on the intellectual breadth and strength of the Christian tradition.
@hugosotelo4829
4 жыл бұрын
So... what does?
@hueyiroquois3839
4 жыл бұрын
The story of Jephthah sacrificing his daughter would be a good one to mention in this video. Christians and atheists both argue about the wrong point. Christians say that it wasn't a burnt offering, while atheists say that it shows that God is evil. I think that it's a parable about entering into contracts without considering the consequences. What it says about God should be treated like the movie _FDR: American Badass._
@tommythomas5970
5 жыл бұрын
He gave us a sign! Cast aside your shoe! No, we must gather shoes! What about the gourd?!
@albertakesson3164
5 жыл бұрын
I recon (pretty much) all of the common misunderstandings from atheists in this video. It's embarrassing to some degree. This is why this video is so important. Great job GM Skeptic!
@EyeLean5280
5 жыл бұрын
Totally with you on these! Please do more!
@stevenwhite3.1415
3 жыл бұрын
One of the big issues with the athiest argument in religion is that the religious assume that their faith allows contradiction. So trying to disprove religion by pointing out contradictions futile. If you created a mathematics where you assume 1 = 2, then you use it to form some profound ideas while allowing for contradiction, if a mathematician or logician comes along and points out that 1 is not equal to 2, they have done absolutely nothing but point out an assumption. The issue comes along when religious people try to use their faith to determine reality. If they want to apply their faith to reality, they cannot use a contradiction as an assumption.
@larhyperhair
5 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite video of yours because it offers ways to constructively argue with people who don't accept facts. And you dunk on Jordan Peterson so of course I gotta love it.
@KohanKilletz
4 жыл бұрын
The most intelligent and rational of the KZitem atheist community. Respect and humbleness go a long way for you!
@insidetrip101
5 жыл бұрын
The Gospel of Mark was not written in "scholarly greek." That description might be accurate for the other 3 gospels, but the gospel of mark is very elementary greek. Also, your last point is particularly good. Its really bad for people in general to think that Christianity "doesn't have anything of value." At the cost of sounding very right leaning I'm going to point out that it was the West that has achieved this technological advancement. I don't think its a controversial opinion to point out the achievements of the West in the past few hundred years, and as a result, I think everything that has happened has been necessary starting at least with the Greeks. The liberal thinking of Greek philosophy was necessary for the progress they achieved. That was consolidated into the power of the Roman Empire (that ended up losing a lot of the Greek progress) and brought unity to a lot of those ideas. Christianity took over shortly after in Europe. Now, you might associate Christianity with the Dark ages after the collapse of the Roman Empire, but don't forget that it was the Benedictine monks of Christianity that kept what little knowledge we had in the West alive, and was able to keep the embers of "the logos" burning. Yes, a lot of the Renaissance occurred because the moors brought the Greek texts back to Europe, and there's always a lot of complications, but then I ask why the Arab's technological process was stunted and why was Christianity capable of being reformed during the Renaissance/Enlightenment? Like it or hate it, Christianity is definitely one of the foundational building blocks that we currently stand on top off. That doesn't mean that you have to identify as a Christian, but it deserves at least as much respect as Greek and Roman Mythology deserve, and its disappointing that so many "intellectuals" don't give it that.
@willnash7907
3 жыл бұрын
This is a really poor take in my view. What happened in Europe was a series of millitary innovations around the 14th century (infantry revolution) changing the balance of army composition which affected the balance of power and shifted feudal kingdoms into consolidated powerful monarchies. This, throughout the transitional age of discovery, brought the conflict of court and clergy into sharp focus and slowly leaned to the relatively secular side. Christians were book burning, people burning fanatic totalitarians slowly being pushed into reform only when they started losing power in the here-and-now. Some of them eventually deciding to use church structures to preserve a bit of the knowledge and culture they were systematically destroying. This is not to their credit as chritians but rather as humans. The only reason such channels were used was because their very totalitarian nature meant there was literaly no other cultural outlet. It's no wonder that fascism arose from the dying gasps of christian totalism losing control for good. Arabia very nearly had an enlightment of it's own before their Islamic totalitarians took power at around the fifteen hundreds (for similarly complex reasons mainly having to do with foreign invasions and tensions with the turbulant merchentile empires of the West omn the rise) and the "Islamic" golden age was crushed. China was secular or at least not similarly totalitarian in it's religious tradition and dwarfed it's european counterpart for the majority of history in philosophy, structure, culture and technology for that reason until it crumbled in a changing world under it's own inertia in recent historical time.
@WizardOfWor
3 жыл бұрын
Timestamps: #1 - 1:34: The Bible Was Written By Savages. #2 - 3:31: There Is One True Christianity. #3 - 6:22: The Bible Is All Literal. #4 - 9:00: The Bible Doesn't Have Any Meaningful Values Or Ideas To Teach.
@ericpierce3660
5 жыл бұрын
False Song *"if there was a god, there wouldn't be so much suffering in the world." It's such a silly argument, but it gets thrown around a lot."* Really? I don't think it's silly at all, unless it's tossed out in a flippant or disrespectful way. People take the issue seriously, it's one of the oldest and toughest questions theists face. For thousands of years people have wrestled with this problem. How can there be a just god who would permit horrendous acts of evil? Why do evil people prosper while the good perish or live in extreme privation? Why does an omnipotent god allow natural disasters? If he is omniscient, why does he not warn his followers of impending doom? If an omnipotent god created everything, didn't he ultimately created evil as well? Why is he not held responsible for that, why does the responsibility fall in our lap? And so on. The ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus put the problem of evil succinctly: Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able, nor willing? Then why call him god? Christians and other theists wrestle with this problem on a regular basis. Why is this happening to me? Why did god allow my mother to suffer? Why did he allow my 2-year old to develop cancer and die six months later---what had he ever done to deserve that? What did I ever do to deserve that? Why did my neighbor's boy get run over by a truck? In order to maintain belief in a good and just god, they are forced to give god a pass. This comes in several different forms: 1) god has mysterious ways 2) god is like a father and knows what is best for us 3) he has a plan for our lives which we will understand later in heaven 4) god thinks it's important that we have free will because he wants us to choose to love him; many people choose to do evil instead, and this grieves god but he permits it for the greater good 5) he doesn't actively permit or cause natural disasters, those are the result of the Fall when evil entered the world, so it's really our fault. The problem of evil is sometimes the first thing that makes christians question their beliefs. That's what happened to me. I started keeping a list of evil things that happened to "good christian families" who loved god and followed him faithfully and prayed daily for their children, yet to no avail. These are the examples that bothered me most: - A little boy was kidnapped, taken to the woods and raped. When he refused to perform oral sex, the man cut off the boy's penis as punishment. As a young male, that one hit home pretty hard. - A little 4 year old girl in Florida was walking with her 7 year old brother next to the canal in their backyard when an alligator rushed out, dragged her to the water and ate her right in front of the little boy while he screamed. - The teenage son of a missionary family I knew was kidnapped, and despite innumerable prayers he was found dead in the trunk of a car two weeks later. - A deranged drug addict kidnapped 3 young schoolgirls, and over a period of a week he raped and tortured them, then killed them one at a time, telling the others "You're next. Tomorrow it's your turn." The longer the list got the more it bothered me, but that last one was the first big turning point in my deconversion. The church that the young girls attended set up a prayer chain, sister churches were contacted, the word spread to many more churches, and my church joined in as well. Our entire church prayed for the girls' safe return. At our Wednesday night prayer meeting the women went into one room, the men in another (that's how we did prayer meeting) and we all got on our knees and pleaded with god for their protection. Yet god did nothing. The man tortured and killed each of the little girls in gruesomely evil ways, while forcing the others to watch. After he was captured he confessed in detail because he relished the thought of the parents' suffering when they learned of it. I felt as if I had been hit by a truck. To me, it brought our whole belief system into question. How could god allow such an awful thing to happen? What happens when we pray but god doesn't answer? Is it possible that we are wrong about all this? Could it be that atheists are right and our prayers are hitting the ceiling and there's nobody up there listening? I thought the church elders would address the problem during the meeting, it was just so stunning. But no, there was no mention of it, the entire congregation acted like it didn't even happen and continued with their normal routine "I'd like to ask for prayer for my daughter, she's having a problem with a co-worker" or "My brother has the flu, please lift him up in your prayers" and so on. I sat there and thought "How is this possible? Don't they see that if god couldn't be bothered to lift a finger to protect those little girls, you shouldn't have any confidence that he will attend to your little piddly requests?" After the meeting, still feeling shaky, I approached one of the elders, but he dismissed my concerns with "What did you expect? That's how those people live in the inner city. That sort of thing happens all the time", the implication being that we were doing good to even pray for them. I realized then that these people were racist and worshipped a god of white people, a god that they would have prayed much harder to and who they believed would have come to their aid if the three young girls had been blond and blue-eyed, but they assumed their god didn't care any more about three little black girls than they did. That was the last time I ever prayed. I still attended church for a few more years because of family, but I grew more and more distant until I gave it up altogether. I'm the only one in my family or in that circle of friends who has walked away, everyone else that I knew from that time is still deep in their delusion. I hate thinking about the evil things happened to those kids, but hearing about them served to shock me out of my complacency and made me question my beliefs. So yeah, I think the problem of evil is a good one to bring up when you're talking to theists.
@browserboy1984
5 жыл бұрын
I guess the question is do you want to be in control of your life?
@marco_mate5181
4 жыл бұрын
You should not stop thinking that God is good because bad things happen, the problem is that many atheist as you failed to understand evil, it's not that hard actually to understand why a good god would create a world where there is also evil.
@Gamerboy365ify
3 жыл бұрын
The answer to this is actually quite simple. God loves us so much that he is willing to give us free will. He doesn't force us go love him or worship him. If you choose not to worship him, you go to a place with no God (hell), and since all things good and happy come from God, there will not be any joy and peace in hell.
@ericpierce3660
3 жыл бұрын
@@Gamerboy365ify I'm afraid that's not a simple answer, it's just a _simplistic_ answer fed to you by apologists trying to make your nagging doubts go away.
@Gamerboy365ify
3 жыл бұрын
@@ericpierce3660 It is not a simplistic answer. You just refuse to accept the truth. Also, when Sodum and Gamorah were full of sin and suffering, didn't God destroy the two cities? It is impossible for us to understand an infinite being. We might never know why there is so much suffering.
@LessOfJonathan
4 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, it was refreshing to watch something like this.
@MiloTheCrotonian
4 жыл бұрын
Theres gonna be lots of toxic people trying to prove you wrong later on. Its pretty toxic
@LessOfJonathan
4 жыл бұрын
ZPG ZPG wouldn’t be my first time lol
@Tweezer510
3 жыл бұрын
@@MiloTheCrotonian 4 months later and you couldn't be more incorrect.
@MiloTheCrotonian
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tweezer510 and that makes me glad. It shows that not all people are douchebags and are respectful, or just shows no one gave a damn.
@Tweezer510
3 жыл бұрын
@@MiloTheCrotonian I'm with you. I'm hoping it's the former as well, since discussions on religious belief or lack thereof shouldn't have to be filled with dicky responses.
@searchjesus2123
4 жыл бұрын
As a Christian I constantly here "oh you're not acting Christian." I am tired of hearing, nobody's perfect. Before you try to correct me, did you read the bible front and back and quote me a verse while your at it.
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's annoying. They don't understand the Bible, God or Christianity so they wouldn't even know how a Christian is supposed to act.
@chrisfoster401
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this. As an exchristian, it is easy to fall into arguments that have no actual evidence, and are simply used to make the other person feel bad about their beliefs. I used to do that to atheists sometimes when i was a christian, and it's hard to break that habit, after all it is much easier to use emotion instead of facts as a tool for debate.
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