From what I understand, when Hasbro remade some of the vintage vehicles for POTF2, they actually managed to find original molds in places like Australia and South America--still in the possession of the companies that manufactured the vintage Star Wars lines in those countries. I believe the Toy Guru said the molds will actually be used as boat anchors when they get retired.
@emperorpawpateen.9992
2 жыл бұрын
When it comes to talking about action figures, jm, you broke the mold. Lol
@ChrisRoth1972
2 жыл бұрын
It never fails how much I learn about toys I & most of us enjoyed when we were Kids from you ,the great Junkman 😊
@Barada73
2 жыл бұрын
As we’ve seen with some of the fan made figures recently, using the right type of plastic would be very important. Otherwise, long time collectors with a trained eye would be able to pick out the fakes immediately.
@bw7449
2 жыл бұрын
@Nathan Rosario.....you mean the boot leg figures that Stan the Con Man Solo is raping people's bank account with ?
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
that's the tricky part, there are a lot of different kinds of ABS plastic. SW figures would have two different kinds of plastic, a hard plastic for the torso, a softer, more pliable plastic for the heads and limbs. the reason is two-fold, it's a better figure to play with, but probably more importantly if it was the same kind of plastic the limbs would wallow out the joints much sooner making them loose. there are some resins that apparently can replicate the feel fairly accurately, or so i've heard. i'm sure if you talked to smooth-on they'd tell you what you need. better yet would be to get a manual plastic injection press, the kind that sits on a work bench and operates with the pull of a lever (last i looked several years ago they seemed to go for about $1200 or so). there's a little hopper you pour ABS pellets in and melts. you order little custom aluminum molds, which (again at the time) i want to say you could have done for about $300. i'd imagine all those costs are much, much more today. it's more of an investment, but that might be your best bet if you want any kind of production and would otherwise do your resin casting correctly, meaning you'd put your silicone mold (which is what you'd likely use) in a pressure pot for several hours, which would wreck any kind of significant production... then you're still hoping it doesn't come out fucked up. (you could actually inject resin with a large syringe, too, and that might be a better option, i dunno.) that's how you could very realistically do straight up figures using the same material. 3D printers use ABS plastic, but i'm not sure what kind of variety of plastic you have. that's if your printer isn't a resin printer, which obviously doesn't use ABS plastic. i'm not sure how detailed those aluminum molds can get. assuming they can replicate detail like the COO on the figure's leg, maybe $3-4k of investment could see someone making fakes that even a seasoned pro couldn't detect short of breaking out some micrometers and checking for shrinkage. the paint applications could be trickier, i'm not sure how those were applied a lot of figs have very specific variations. making them i don't think is really the hard part for someone motivated enough and can invest in the stuff. i'd say the hard part is convincing a pro that this perfect figure with all the right parting lines and injector marks has never been played with or doesn't suffer from natural plastic degradation like so many of them do.
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
Woah..them factory pics of them putting together the Millinnium Falcon got my attention. I would Reallyyyy love to see how star wars figure are made from mold to packaging to store. Its never been shown.
@thegeorgiealityshow359
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this wonderful content. JUNKMAN by having ur show u gave us all good infos beyond our toy hunts.Doubt I get lucky but now I know what to look for.
@jasonstanley7574
2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always very informative an interesting,your old photos , research,an clips are second to none,your hard work is not unnoticed,......Junkman for President!!
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man
@Tjrush-rm4jj
2 жыл бұрын
Good video! I've often wondered if those original dies/molds are still around. I would think they'd be worth millions today.
@kevinmelicant9566
Жыл бұрын
We gana have to go scooba diving Mr junk
@futureshockxl
2 жыл бұрын
You might not be able to make Star Wars figures from the mold, but you could definitely make popsicles. 😀
@roygarcia7313
Жыл бұрын
They did a pretty great job with the repro kenner figures, some of them look like they are from the same old
@genesanford9412
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting ! i still have a handful of steel mold s for OG 'Creepy-Crawlers" ...
@diggingattycho7908
2 жыл бұрын
Hey JM, you forgot a forklift. Some of those dies are not the sort of thing you can put in the trunk of your car. If you did you make a low rider look jacked up. Some could still be out there, as to whether or not they are worth using is another question.
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
A forklift as well as special shelving units to store said tooling, as most factories that I've seen don't just leave them on the ground.
@3Storms
2 жыл бұрын
Hasbro did the opposite with losing a lot of molds unintentionally. In the late 90s/early 00s when reissue-mania was going into overdrive, they were scampering vigorously to seek out many molds. At Botcon and Joecon conventions they'd say they're still looking with no luck. Some Transformers molds (dinbots, Shockwave, Jetfire) and some Joe molds (Snake Eyes 2, Dusty 1, Destro 1, Zandar, Zarana, etc) remain lost forever, while other figures have incomplete molds where they only have some parts to them like Zartan.
@dantooine4279
2 жыл бұрын
3D scanning has come in to save the day! 😀
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
It's a particular shame how they lost the G1 Mirage mold.
@rickwj324
2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had them!!!
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the molds were all in that warehouse that Indiana Jones was in from Crystal Skulls
@udovelvet
Жыл бұрын
I loved the smell of Mold-a-rama molds of animals they would sell at the zoo. I wonder what the action figures smelled like.
@thaddeusmcgrath
2 жыл бұрын
Well I would love to have a few of these molds to make Jello shots with. I mean even a Princess Lea or a Deathstar one would get me crunk!
@edwardbloecher4563
2 жыл бұрын
I'm dive certified AJ! You got a boat and a grid coordinate? 😆
@wyldebill4178
2 жыл бұрын
They all ended up in Stan Solo’s garage
@Floyd1138
2 жыл бұрын
Artist - 'Sucklord' has been making molds and selling his bootleg figures for years
@RocketPunchHero1
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... We know. Heaven forbid other "artists" be given credit for doing the exact same thing years before he came around.
@Floyd1138
2 жыл бұрын
@@RocketPunchHero1 credit? lol
@machineman6498
2 жыл бұрын
@@RocketPunchHero1 Sucklord was the first on my radar. Who else was at it?
@RocketPunchHero1
2 жыл бұрын
@@machineman6498 You may be a little young to remember the O.G.s from the early 90's, Toy Shop ads. They were doing it back when the community hated them for "violating" copyrights. Nowadays, it's all done under the guise of fan-made toys. Which is total bullshit.
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing, using a bootleg He-Man (possibly a Combo Hero, I have no idea) as the basic buck system. But unlike Sucklord, I don't sell mine (yet) and mine actually move like real action figures should because I use flexible resin that allows the ball and socket joints connecting the arms, waist, and head to the torsos to pop into place (unlike that hack, who just uses cheap rigid casting resin and slaps some basic bitch political message on his overpriced, overvalued non-articulated shit).
@jonathanmartin-ives8665
2 жыл бұрын
I would think that even defaced molds would mean something to a collector.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
i'd say you could probably find a collector interested in them, but in all reality you probably wouldn't get what you think it's worth. really large collectibles don't have as much of a market or even value that we might assume simple because of the size, or in this case the weight.
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
It's so weird that some of the old Star Wars tools like that Ewok used individual molds for each of the pieces. Action figures tools are pretty much all gang-molded these days with all the pieces in the same unit. And were there really silicone molds that survived all these decades? That's kind of amazing. Typically, silicone rubber molds are used to create the hard plastic/resin copies of the original sculpts that are then used to make the tooling and I imagine they're one of the first things to get tossed out.
@goldcanyon340.
5 ай бұрын
I sure love that bounty hunter t shirt!
@Tfor2show
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Junkman, wanna go scuba diving with me in Hong Kong?
@rishoutfield2043
2 жыл бұрын
"How'd you do, man?" "Well, no Star Wars molds, but I did find a junked car, a safe, sixty leaky oil drums, and two dead bodies."
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
...Hong Kong...they love him long time out there!
@nostalgicaddictz
2 жыл бұрын
I was told my set was either lost, stolen, or abandoned, but authenticated. And not all molds where steel, mine are aluminum and small. After seeing a few more molds like mine, not all made it into the ocean. :)
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
that's true, too, not all molds are made from steel. it depends on how much production you expect to make. it's stupid to spend thousands more for a steel mold designed for hundreds of thousands of presses when you just need 10K pieces that a smaller, aluminum mold might be able to do just as well.
@joshuaross4644
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of your best informative videos 👍 Such a shame that happened but that’s the corporate world for ya
@ciscodeer9094
2 жыл бұрын
What I want to know is that why were they thrown away ? the mold could probably been used for the POTF2 line.
@Barada73
2 жыл бұрын
When Star Wars died in 1985, most people believed it was gone for good. And toy factories don’t have unlimited space to store molds from a dead property.
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
And even if they thought Star Wars would return it would be updated and no the same as figures form the early 80s
@machineman6498
2 жыл бұрын
They also wear out and may not be worth the risk.
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the potf 2 vehicles were from the original molds from the first movie
@Barada73
2 жыл бұрын
@@robd1329 I’m sure the molds for most of the vehicles would have been worth saving. However, according to Hasbro, by the early 2000s, most of those were so heavily degraded that they were useless. I remember they rereleased the A-Wing in 2008, and a heavily modified version of the TIE Fighter in 2010, but after that I think it’s been mostly all new molds for vehicles. Which would probably explain why vehicles are becoming less and less common in the line.
@genx7006
2 жыл бұрын
"Dumped into the Hong Kong harbor"?!?😦
@MultiverseAsheville
2 жыл бұрын
And we have to say “molds, mold, and molding,” because we all grew up with Play-Doh and the proper terms, “tools, tool, and tooling,” confuse people.
@williamthompson5504
2 жыл бұрын
Hasbro bought Palitoy’s molds.
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
kind of, Tonka bought kenner and Palitoy around 1987, then Hasbro brought Tonka :)
@neophytealpha
Жыл бұрын
If only I had a set of the molds.
@renegadebiker24
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your videos on steel plates for the injection molding plates for Star Wars, and I wonder if you can do the same thing for the G.I. Joe molds, and explain it better than I can. There are some collectors that think that the vintage line can be remade again, but then don't understand the process of injection molding, and the plates that are involved. I can probably do a video of it on my channel, but right now, I don't think that people understand what it takes, and thinks that I am "shilling" for Hasbro, when I have asked the company numerous times to get out of China manufacturing and come to the USA to reduce the cost of logistics and shipping for example.
@cjalexanderjr8811
Жыл бұрын
In theory, the prototypes that were thrown away may still exist in a landfill somewhere….
@matthewhopson964
2 жыл бұрын
Spot on Pronounciation Junkman.
@KitBasher1
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Junkman, how do I get alerts for when you go live? I keep missing the call in shows : /
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
The bell should do it
@KitBasher1
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatJunkman there’s a bell? …. Looks all over screen… “there’s no f-n bell, what the heck is he talking abou… -oh there it is” .. “DING” … note to self, make eye doctor appointment and buy a KZitem for dummies book!
@SniffHeinkel
2 жыл бұрын
How did Kenner decide that dumping the steel molds into the sea was the best option?
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
They didn't so much as dump them but sell them off to fishing vessels and other ships to use as anchors in the Hong Kong harbor since they're big, heavy pieces of metal.
@StonegateCreations
2 жыл бұрын
You don't need steel molds or industrial equipment to make action figures. You can use aluminum injection molds to reproduce an action figure using a decent 3d scanner, solid 3d scultpting and CAD/CAM softwares and computer, a capable CNC mill with right tooling, and a well built benchtop style injection molder. Yes it wont be high volume production but it's very much doable with right resources and skills. 20+ yrs machinist that does this as side hustle.
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen the Crafsman's benchtop style injection molder that he built on his channel. Not sure if I really have the mechanical aptitude to build one myself, but it does seem like something that would be a lot of fun to play around with. About how many uses can you get out of an aluminum mold before it starts to degrade?
@StonegateCreations
2 жыл бұрын
@@outpost206 I think he has an LNS brand. You can expect well into thousands of pieces from a well built aluminum mold with softer stuff like polypropylene or tpu.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
very true. these benchtop manual injection molds are, what, maybe around $1500 now? how much does it cost to have a small aluminum mold CNC'ed, maybe upwards of $500? all that expensive industrial equipment does is make things fast.
@jennercustomtoys
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to get the opportunity to mess with an original mold. I wouldn't be a jerk and sell the figures to rip anyone off. I just like the hobby.
@mokeimusic
2 жыл бұрын
This is the problem not having your own factory. I know a guy that owns an injection molding factory. He made plastic parts for a company and after the company was finished with them he was allowed to use the molds to produce items for himself. This is in Asia. Like others have said the molds are extremely heavy. Think of using a fork lift or hoist to move them around.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
yeah, i know of a guy in TN who's got an old marx mold from the 60's making stuff with it right now. there are small shops that will do it in the U.S., you just have to find them.
@captlazer5509
2 жыл бұрын
The vehicle molds I think they kept. Mainly due to costs more to re-make.
@CourageDreams
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to have the vader and yoda mold.
@woncarlos7494
2 жыл бұрын
Do you think you could make them out of play Dow in those molds ?
@leonhunter1839
2 жыл бұрын
If they dump them in the sea then its fair game.
@mtechcom4863
2 жыл бұрын
I own a prototype 12 inch Batman figure from Mattel, which I bought from an ex Mattel employe. He literally fished it out of a trash can
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
if you have a mold, there absolutely are small shops that will manufacture for you. i know of a guy who's making the old thunderbolt horse from the 60's johnny west line by marx. he got the mold from jay horowitz, owner of american plastic equipment, and along with these old molds can come the legal rights to manufacture from that mold. the question is if you did have a SW mold if you could manufacture from that assuming you obtained it legally. you wonder how many wound up in a chinese harbor used as anchors. this practice has been verified umpteen times. but, you hope more are sitting in the back of an old shop in mexico or somewhere waiting to be discovered. these things that literally created the physical manifestation of our childhood can very often be an interesting story. i get how someone views these things as big heavy hunks of industrial equipment, dirty, greasy, rusty, and ugly, a bizarre thing to own that few people would even be interested in. and, you'd be right, that's exactly what they are. but, beyond that, some of these have an amazing journey to tell, travelling internationally, used, abused, leased, sold, stolen, and whereabouts unknown. sure, some go from the factory to a warehouse and have sat wrapped up for a couple of generations, forgotten, and the story ends there -- and that's happier fate. the fun part is that as long as the mold isn't damaged, it doesn't matter how old it is. if it's 60 years old you can still pop it in a modern press and start production like it was yesterday.
@timsgta
2 жыл бұрын
Hmmmmm
@leonhunter1839
2 жыл бұрын
u CAN MAKE THEM FROM HOME....LIKE ONE AT A TIME.
@andrews.2940
2 жыл бұрын
Na I remember Karen Black from movie Easy Rider lived down street.. I remember one Halloween about 1985 my older brother jumped in pushed me over at her front porch I started crying got lost... She picked me up gave me huge Full size candy bar.. 😆 I was like whatever too my older brother I got full size candy bar.. Fun Times the 80s.
@TheTdh1972
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Junkman where do I get the shirt you are wearing this video. I want it real bad...
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
JunkmanMerch.com
@scottandrewhutchins
2 жыл бұрын
Farmboy, farmboy, farmboy... I remember a magazine in the early 1990s (prpbably Collectible Toys and Values) saying that the molds still exist. I guess that was false. Weren't the earliest figures made in Mexico, though?
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
Nope. Don’t recall in with a Mexican stamp
@johnschwartz3641
16 күн бұрын
i have one and it was bronze industrial blow mold for admiral ackbar
@johnschwartz3641
16 күн бұрын
i would send you a photo
@kaidzaack2520
2 жыл бұрын
As you said - the molds for themselves are quite useless without a proper production line. It may be interesting for some “hardcore” collectors though. Good vid! 💯👍
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
you can find a small shop that will manufacture your product with the mold you provide. i know of a guy right now making the thunderbolt horse from the 60's johnny west line by marx, though i think that, legally, the mold has to have the marx logo removed, which i don't think is that big of a deal.
@kaidzaack2520
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbarker5217 We have a saying here in Germany “Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter” (Where is no plaintiff, there is no judge). Should not be a problem to keep the marks - unless someone would try to sell them as “originals” to ripp off collectors…and here you lose copyrights after 5 years. Not sure about the U.S. though…
@dantooine4279
2 жыл бұрын
I also heard that the molds deteriorate after time and would be unusable if it someone had them. I guess they are collectible historic pieces in their own right.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
lots of 60+ year old molds still make stuff today. that's the beauty of a mold, its age doesn't matter. if you don't store them properly, then sure, that's a problem, and obviously they'll wear out with use, but simply being old isn't the issue. there's a guy named jay horowitz who owns american plastic equipment, his business model evolved into buying large lots of old toy molds, then warehousing them to lease or sell. some of these produced the toys your father and grandfather would play with. it's conceivable that a model your grandfather built came from the exact same mold of the same model your dad put together. right now there's some guy in germany working for revell checking over an ancient mold that for 50 years has been passed around like a cheap hooker at charlie sheen's birthday party asking himself where the hell this dinosaur came from before signing off on having it serviced before jamming it into a press somewhere in the world.
@dantooine4279
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbarker5217 Thanks for the insight and clearing that up!
@TheMack
2 жыл бұрын
I guess there wasn't much CNC machining in those days, otherwise there might be actual plans and CNC-programs to re-create the molds. But if the molds were made mostly by hand by a skilled tool maker, then maybe not.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
they might use a pantograph kind of thing. kind of by hand. as i recall how they did it back in the day they'd 'trace' the model by hand, and as they traced it would move the part that actually removed material from the mold.
@TheMack
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbarker5217 Thanks man, that makes sense.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMack not that it was easy and didn't require a lot of skill. the steel would be removed via some kind of electrical arc or something. i should look it back up, i doubt i'm making much sense.
@TheMack
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbarker5217 I know what you're saying and it does make sense :). I was trained as a tool maker so have some experience with the "electrical arc" method, an excellent way to remove material in metal blocks, it's almost like magic the first time you see it happen :)
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMack ah, very cool. i'd worked as SPC (basically quality control) for a fine-blanking company, they had a wire EDM. i never understood how it worked, and i never had the chance to watch it for any length of time, it seemed pretty slow and i was always too busy to stand around for long. that was the early 90's. i should watch some videos on it.
@stevegallo8483
2 жыл бұрын
That had to have been before recycling started being a thing, because the steel molds could have been melted down and the steel reused for something else.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
well, we're talking china here. these things are used for anchors, so really recycling them is pointless.
@darrenletts6392
2 жыл бұрын
They weren't thinking back then dump them into the water was like very harmful to the environment
@glyn420
2 жыл бұрын
1983 they knew it was bad. I was 11 and knew it was bad. They just thought it was economically cheaper to dump than to do anything smart with them. But they should have auctioned and got paid for them instead of paying to get rid of them.
@chartreuseninjano.7762
2 жыл бұрын
My grand aunty has Samuel Jackson Luke mold
@gavinhelgeson2880
2 жыл бұрын
Stan solo etc must have their own molds… aka tooling
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
for the new never before made stuff he pays some 3D models files that someone else made and then makes it into a figure
@outpost206
2 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that Stan Solo's stuff is actually injection molded plastic, so it stands to reason that he does indeed have his own tooling (though he likely subcontracts a factory in China like a lot of Third Party toy makers do).
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
could you take an industrial mold and make figures in your garage? i have every confidence in saying yes, yes you can. i doubt these figure molds are massive. maybe 2-3 thousand pounds at most? i doubt even that much, but i don't know. for large pieces like the falcon, yeah, that might be an issue. without researching too heavily, how much is a 6K pound engine hoist, like $400? that would easily lift a mold half up. ABS pellets are sold to anyone who wants to buy them. buy 'em by the bag or the pallet. getting them to a melted stage isn't rocket science, and you can buy a bench top manual plastic injection mold machine. no doubt you could make one yourself if you've got the skillz. don't tell me it couldn't be done, there's not an iota of doubt in my mind that it can be. the two problems i see are slow production and if there's a problem with the mold you'd have to find a shop that could repair that for you. you'd probably want to take it to a shop anyway to have them inspect it, maybe replace some of the wearable parts, and prep it to use. nah, you don't need a factory with expensive industrial equipment, you just need all that stuff to make any kind of real production rates. i bet if i took a mold to russia, those crazy nuts will figure it out somehow, lol. sure, you might get it back and wonder why there's now a bazooka welded to the side that shoots garden equipment, but my advice is to just roll with it.
@jamesroseii
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, JM, but you are incorrect about the equipment you would need...check out the Craftsman at Steady Crafting. He does tutorials on injection molding at home all the time. Most likely, the issue someone with one of these molds will have is constancy of quality. And honestly, you have to think that if someone had an original Kenner mold that it would be pretty valuable in itself. Would someone risk damaging them to make a few bootleg figures? Probably not.
@ThatJunkman
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe so. It wasn’t me. It was info from a toy designer for a toy company
@pixiedelish
3 ай бұрын
Yeah good buddy, yee-haa!
@andrews.2940
2 жыл бұрын
I have a mold to rocket fire bf.. My neighbor worked for Kenner he handed them out to neighbor kids in 80s.. 😆 OK in kidding maybe
@chrismemphis8062
2 жыл бұрын
Don't be disrespecting flea markets.
@reymed1670
2 жыл бұрын
I have a first shot test run prototype Leia someone took it out who knows
@glyn420
2 жыл бұрын
The vintage heartland miles are known and the market hasn’t been flooded with fakes made from these molds. There are fakes out there but they are foreign.knockoffs that true knowledgeable collectors can immediately identify. But those aren’t from the og nolds.
@rumblehat4357
2 жыл бұрын
Steel was that worthless? I'd think instead of dumping them, they could just send them to be melted down for recycling.
@ryanbarker5217
2 жыл бұрын
some would get recycled, i'm sure of that. some were sold for anchors.
@williamrandall9502
2 жыл бұрын
Why couldn't they just melt them down instead of littering the ocean? Won't someone please think of the sea life?!
@Knightrogue24.
2 жыл бұрын
I think they do re use the Kenner molds half of em. & because the rest got tossed away that's why they're struggling with producing return of the Jedi or the droids & Ben Kenobi. I do think they have a Ben Kenobi mold because if they have Yoda then they gotta have Ben. speaking of which, where was Ben during the 40th anniversary of star wars & empire strikes back? he was in the movies all three em. Hasbro needs to make a retro collection Ben Kenobi. & stop holding back from producing droids how hard is it to do electroplating process? for both those droids. it saves you from REALLY doing vac metal. if mattels doing it right with masters of the universe retro. then Hasbro need to step up their game. I'm positive they got vehicle molds lying around somewhere. that are collecting dust waiting to be pulled back out.
@reymed1670
2 жыл бұрын
They get destroyed or selfish ppl have them in CT they recycle the comic plates and presses
@kevinmelicant9566
Жыл бұрын
Wo
@toma.4808
2 жыл бұрын
Kenner star wars figures were superior compared to hasbros cheap crap. That power of the force collection alone was superior
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