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@annevandermey7551
Жыл бұрын
Jordan’s soundscape is pure genius! It was such an amazing experience to be involved! Thanks for sharing!
@CrookedRosePOD
Жыл бұрын
What about Tom Bombadil lol
@booksimmersed
Жыл бұрын
@@CrookedRosePOD Tom Bombadil is in the Soundscape! played by Phil Dragash, some may recognize that name :) You'll hear him singing away in the distance :) and Goldberry singing :D
@ChiaraSiasat
Жыл бұрын
Jordan has done such an incredible job, I’ve been listening to the FOTR soundscape almost on a daily
@Azulakayes
Жыл бұрын
Faramir meets Eowyn...got goosebumps from that.
@JonStark117
Жыл бұрын
*As much as he wanted to play Gandalf… Sir Christopher Lee was absolutely PERFECT to play Saruman. His commanding and stoic presence along with his cunning voice was just again…PERFECT casting.🙏🏼*
@specialunit0428
Жыл бұрын
@Slywerk A pity, but don't forget that there is only so much you can put into a film. Alot has to be cut out sometimes and even then, things have to be mixed/changed for an audience rather than readers. Cinema's won't show films if they are too long, and DVD's can only hold so many hours.
@philhughes1315
Жыл бұрын
What if it was Ian McKellen who acted SARUMAN. That's your next theory video
@jonathanhaste3803
Жыл бұрын
Christopher Lee was such a good actor he’d would have nailed Gandalf as well I reckon!
@GKTorn.
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. 100% agree 🤘
@scubasteve7850
Жыл бұрын
They had to build up the jealous feelings for Saruman towards Gandalf somehow to get him into character fully lol
@michaelkeith3308
Жыл бұрын
Never thought of it until watching this but.....boromir trying to take the ring IS what SAVED the quest. Else, this likely WOULD have been what happened.
@Disgruntled_Grunt
6 ай бұрын
Yep
@Fordragon
6 ай бұрын
That's spot-on, because until this point, the Fellowship members had been debating whether to go straight to Mordor or to go to Gondor first. Boromir trying to take the ring made Frodo realize that the only hope of winning was to destroy it as soon as possible, and that he had to do it alone. Luckily, Sam was smart enough to guess that Frodo would try to sneak off, and was able to catch up to him.
@kingslayer5600
2 ай бұрын
There would be no Uruks from Isengard if Saruman hadn’t sent them. So no, but maybe the orcs from Mordor could’ve taken Frodo and Sam
@ArnabGupta-w3c
Ай бұрын
@@kingslayer5600then Sauron would have it
@oguzhanenescetin5702
Жыл бұрын
He would buy an anti-tree defence around Isengard
@rosiehawtrey
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, about 50 Phalanx CIWS should do it.
@GameAnGrog
Жыл бұрын
And lo did Saruman spray Round-Up upon the Ents of Fangorn.
@BillyBob-js3ei
Жыл бұрын
@@GameAnGrogin this story, Saruman loses to Monsantos team of lawyers.
@jeffreyjeziorski1480
Жыл бұрын
The first flame throwers on middle earth
@rosiehawtrey
Жыл бұрын
@@GameAnGrog Lovely stuff. My dad had fun with that when they moved into their bungalow when I was a kid. He did the roundup and diesel trick, then rotavated the back garden 4 times, then dug it out 4 times, then cleared out all the scaffolding pins and other rubbish, until he found a live grenade from WW2 by the garage... We came home to a bomb disposal truck..
@botros2010
Жыл бұрын
7:29 The description of the voice of Saruman perfectly shows how well cast Sir Christopher Lee was in the role. Man's voice was simply iconic. "Suddenly another voice spoke, low and melodious, its very sound an enchantment. Those who listened unwarily to that voice could seldom report the words that they heard; and if they did, they wondered, for little power remained in them. Mostly they remembered only that it was a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and reasonable, and desire awoke in them by swift agreement to seem wise themselves. When others spoke they seemed harsh and uncouth by contrast; and if they gainsaid the voice, anger was kindled in the hearts of those under the spell. For some the spell lasted only while the voice spoke to them, and when it spake to another they smiled, as men do who see through a juggler's trick while others gape at it. For many the sound of the voice alone was enough to hold them enthralled; but for those whom it conquered the spell endured when they were far away, and ever they heard that soft voice whispering and urging them. But none were unmoved; none rejected its pleas and its commands without an effort of mind and will, so long as its master had control of it."
@OrgusDin
Жыл бұрын
Read the entire thing in his voice, can confirm.
@virtualatheist
Жыл бұрын
@@OrgusDin I tried, but ended up just repeating, "To Isengard," over and bloody over!
@tombombadilofficial
Жыл бұрын
I want a story-heavy, open world, LOTR game where these scenarios are possible based on player interactions and choices.
@GregorySnipe
Жыл бұрын
Tom be real, you would never leave the Old Forest. You would miss, Goldberry.
@filiperiksson3259
Жыл бұрын
Have you looked into the Kingdoms of Arda mod for Mount and Blade 2? Still very much in development but it looks to become exactly what you're looking for.
@rookcapcoldblood2618
Жыл бұрын
I would encourage you to check out Divide and Conquer, a mod for Medieval II Total War. It’s a complete and total conversion mod that turns the entire game into Lord of the Rings in The Third Age, and one of my favorite moments is Isengard when you get the Ring and Saruman becomes the Lord of the Ring.
@HDdeiu
Жыл бұрын
@Hidetaka Miyazaki hear tom's words and make the magic part of this world!
@KEROVSKI_
Жыл бұрын
@@filiperiksson3259 It's just not the same. If you could play a first person game, fighting massive armies, going through Middle Earth, that would be incredible.
@valentinkambushev4968
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if at some point, Faramir and Eowyn's rebels would be approached by new allies. Two blue pilgrims from the east, leading an army of alikely thinking men, seeking any form of resistance that is willing to stand up against their former leader.
@jumnei5159
7 ай бұрын
Mmm... no
@thamuffinman6911
Жыл бұрын
The effort that went into this video & theory story is just next level. You’re the best man
@NerdoftheRings
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! And thanks for watching and subscribing!
@johnsondoendi9224
9 ай бұрын
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@rinmathews9337
Жыл бұрын
You should do a theory video on what if Sam insisted on bringing Bill the Pony the whole way? How far could they have realistically made it bringing a pony everywhere?
@owenboss1030
Жыл бұрын
LMFAO surely the balrog would cower in fear against the trusted steed Bill
@Gurrehable
11 ай бұрын
-We're going to Mordor alone, Bill! -Of course you are, Mr Frodo and Mr Sam, and I'm coming with you! *Wades into the water*
@rinmathews9337
11 ай бұрын
@@Gurrehable Maybe the water was only 4 feet deep
@groerhahn225
11 ай бұрын
Finally someone's asking the important questions here.
@duncanramsay9262
11 ай бұрын
He survived dude he's in the scaring of the shire.
@R2D93
Жыл бұрын
Excellent theory. It sounds almost like Saruman obtaining the ring and taking over Middle Earth would be akin to Tolkien's worst industrialization nightmare
@PeekabooEUDK
Жыл бұрын
This has no place in The Lord of the Rings "Tolkien's worst industrialization nightmare" Why would you mix them together?
@yw9113
Жыл бұрын
@andreasjensen3853 the desecration of nature for the sake of industrialisation is a very prominent motif in Lotr tho so it's not at all far-fetched
@PeekabooEUDK
Жыл бұрын
@@yw9113 Have you ever read what Tolkien wrote about people drawing parallels to the real world and his work? He hated it.
@yw9113
Жыл бұрын
@andreasjensen3853 Tolkien might've disliked allegory but Lotr is quite obviously allegorical. Tolkien freely admitted so himself in his letters And the industrialisation and deforestation of Isengard are in no subtle way depicted as evil
@PeekabooEUDK
Жыл бұрын
@@yw9113 Yeah obviously people can put more meaning into words than what they were meant to at the time they were written. "I think the text is a metaphor for bl bla bla" is straight out wrong if the writer mentions the fact that is NOT a metaphor for anything. He admitted that the LOTR trilogy was allegorical? Please give the source for that. In my copy of the first book it clearly states that it is not meant to give a secondary meaning.
@Beryllahawk
Жыл бұрын
Short version: Saruman gets the Ring, and Middle-Earth becomes New Jersey :(
@timmiller8845
4 ай бұрын
As a lifetime NJ resident, I approve this
@matthiascerebri3315
Ай бұрын
Or Area 51
@rafaelgustavo7786
Жыл бұрын
He would have his telepathic ability greatly increased. In this way, he would control the Nazgûl (Unfinished Tales version), the Orcs, Trolls, Wargs and other evil creatures in the Misty Mountains. If Sauron didn't attack soon (logistically impossible with the existence of Gondor), he would be outmatched and overthrown. I imagine that this way Saruman would have two strong domains in the end: Isengard and Mordor.
@istari0
Жыл бұрын
Sauron had armies arranged along a very long front. He had both the forces and the geography to send an army into Rohan from the north either from the Black Gate or from Dol Guldur.
@mycaleb8
Жыл бұрын
@@istari0 You're right, this theory ignores the substantial armies of Dol Guldur.
@7yep4336dfgvvh
Жыл бұрын
Don't think he can overthrow sauron. Only the good can.
@groerhahn225
11 ай бұрын
@@7yep4336dfgvvh Sauro and Saruman are both Maiars. More or less equal in power. There is no reason Saruman wouldn't be able to overthrow Sauron if he was wielding the One Ring.
@AlyssMa7rin
10 ай бұрын
Theoretically, I'm sure that Saruman would be able to turn his might to Subjugating or expelling the portion of Sauron's soul within the ring.@@groerhahn225
@ChipRogers
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see you do a video answering “what if Saruman came down?” In the Voice of Saruman in the books, Gandalf offers him the chance to redeem himself and help them one last time. What might have happened had he repented and joined our heroes?
@chrissnyder8108
Жыл бұрын
Well, Saruman would not have trashed the Shire, so the Hobbits would not be coming home to a big mess. As for the rest, since the Fellowship & Frodo won their battles without Saruman, I supposed having him on their side probably would not have created a much different outcome.
@lysander3262
Жыл бұрын
"He may have rendered great service" He might have been instrumental at the Battle of Pellenor (sic?) Fields. His voice may have bolstered the defenders of Minas Tirith against the fear instilled by the Nazgûl. Or perhaps he could have laid enchantments upon mumaks or felbeasts. Many that would have died might have lived. It would not change the outcome of the war, but an extra wizard would have changed many lives. My two cents.
@Gurrehable
11 ай бұрын
@@lysander3262I lean more towards the "great service" consisting of Saruman telling them what he knew. His staff was broken, so I doubt he would have any instrumental role in the rest of the story. His soul may have been redeemed in the end though
@arthurbriand2175
5 ай бұрын
@@chrissnyder8108Or he would have tried to betray them to get the ring and would have fucked up the final battle of the black Gate.
@FieryCheeze
Жыл бұрын
Okay, now I want more of this Faramir & Eowyn alternate universe!
@alohilani1215
11 ай бұрын
Sammeeee
@valentinkambushev4968
Жыл бұрын
For some reason, I hate Saruman more than any other LOTR villain. I think what I hate the most about him is how he always puts himself above everybody else. I've always hated characters and people who do this. They really couldn't cast anyone else, but Christopher Lee (RIP). This man had a perfect signature look of superiority.
@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger
Жыл бұрын
My issue with him is the blatant, unapologetic manipulation. I despise manipulators.
@owenboss1030
Жыл бұрын
Cutting out Saruman's death scene was criminal. There's an interview with Christopher Lee where he corrects Peter Jackson on how he should react to being stabbed by Grima. The dude was one of a kind.
@slimkillah76
19 күн бұрын
Selfishness and jelousy are hideous.
@JonStark117
Жыл бұрын
*Seeing Sir Christopher Lee with that kind of power boost would be absolutely EPIC!👏🏼*
@autumninautumn
Жыл бұрын
Would near real life levels of Christopher Lee awesomeness
@matthewhodgson7388
5 ай бұрын
So basically he turns it into Birmingham
@DefaultFlame
3 ай бұрын
Tolkein would have agreed with you. He was not fond of the industrialization of England.
@phoenixstudiosprime
Жыл бұрын
I love how this video is structured, laying groundwork from the cannon before turning to theory. The epilogue was fantastic
@Jim-pq9pm
Жыл бұрын
I was always under the impression that only Sauron can use the rings power properly, and that it is always seeking to reunite with him. I've always believed that any scenario that involves someone claiming the ring for themself is ultimately serving Sauron's end. It will inevitably return to him.
@theoncomingstorm7903
10 ай бұрын
Supposedly according to Tolkein that doesn't apply if the ring is claimed by a Maia, who could claim the ring to such a degree that it results in the same outcome for Sauron as if the ring were destroyed. Though the evil in the ring would still dominate the Maia that claimed it.
@Jim-pq9pm
10 ай бұрын
@@theoncomingstorm7903 What did he specifically say? Because Saruman doesn't have the full power of a Maia
@theoncomingstorm7903
10 ай бұрын
One can imagine the scene in which Gandalf, say, was placed in such a position. It would be a delicate balance. On one side the true allegiance of the Ring to Sauron; on the other superior strength because Sauron was not actually in possession, and perhaps also because he was weakened by long corruption and expenditure of will in dominating inferiors. If Gandalf proved the victor, the result would have been for Sauron the same as the destruction of the Ring; for him it would have been destroyed, taken from him for ever. But the Ring and all its works would have endured. It would have been the master in the end. @@Jim-pq9pm
@luiswohlrab4847
10 ай бұрын
I think so as well, but this way the video is more interesting, portraying an unlikely yet still possible scenario.
@movieclipsreversed2494
9 ай бұрын
@@Jim-pq9pmGandalf also doesn't have the full power yet Tolkien believed that it was more than possible scenario if he claims the One Ring
@NerdoftheRings
Жыл бұрын
What do you think of the theory? Anything you'd change? Did I forget something? Let me know!
@anand.v.s984
Жыл бұрын
Wait, wouldn't Soldier's from Rivendel and lorien Form Alliance with the Rohirrims and Ents
@electroskylightgaming4085
Жыл бұрын
Here is the deal: The One Ring will keep magic and prevent the Decay of Middle Earth, albeit in a quite cruel way. After all, the valar left the race of men to its own devices, almost alone.
@Airick29
Жыл бұрын
How can Gandalf cure Theodan with Sauroman’s power amplified?
@Lutoures
Жыл бұрын
I loved tour theory and storytelling as always, Matt! As for changes: I think after claiming the ring and defeating Gandalf, Saruman wouldn't send the Nazgul to Minas Tirith. He would instead let the war play out longer, in order to weaken all other major powers. He would eventually side with Men, as you point out, but he would wait to see the results of the battle. If Gondor resisted, he would send an emissary (not the Nazgul, as they would be hidden or spying on the elves for now) and propose an "alliance" to defeat the remaining foes of Gondor, wich would actually enslave Denethor to his will, as he did before with Theoden. If the invading armies won, in the other hand, he would go through the same plan over a longer period, pitching men against orcs. The rest would go just as you said. I'd add that Fangorn would be absolutely put to ruins, and given to the Men under Saruman's control right away. Also, I'm very curious on how the three remaining wizards would react to this scenario. Radagast would likely be the first to confront him, and lose.
@istari0
Жыл бұрын
@@electroskylightgaming4085 The Three Elven Rings were intended to help prevent decay, not the One. It's purpose was to allow Sauron to dominate the wearers of the other Rings of Power.
@Parasmunt
Жыл бұрын
Saruman was one of the most interesting characters in the book, the Voice is especially a fascinating concept. Imagine going to Saruman and even from a distance you hear a musical voice and feel your heart lifted, you want to sit down and listen forever not turning into an automaton you still have your faculties but just completely charmed and beguiled. Imagine the power of that. The Sirens from Greek mythology would be an analogy.
@groerhahn225
11 ай бұрын
I absolutely LOVE how the battle of Isengard mirrors the battle of Pelennor fields, in which the losing forces defending a fortress are saved by an emerging army. Even better, it also mirrors the battle of Five Armies, in the sense that the giant eagles save the day. Just that it isn't eagles but fellbeasts, and the day isn't saved. It's quite impressive how you manage to both stay as close to the lore and the spirit of Tolkien as possible while also coming up with an interesting scenario. Amazon Studios should have hired you as a writer, really.
@primal1233
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how powerful he would be, but he would definitely be more powerful than he already was
@CybershamanX
Жыл бұрын
Interesting choices for Saruman's actions! I would have never figured what would have happened if he had hidden that he had found the ring from Sauron! Thanks for this interesting "what if"! 😎🤘☮
@SpaceMonkeyBoi
Жыл бұрын
What if Gollum killed Sam and Frodo in their sleep? What if Eomer took the ring? What if Borimir took the ring? What if Azog took the lonely mountain? And how would that effect the war if the ring? What if the balrog killed the fellowship? What if Saruman won helms deep?
@jeffreyjeziorski1480
Жыл бұрын
What if the gaffer obtained possession of the Ring?
@nafisamusah7085
Жыл бұрын
What if thranduil took the ring from bilbo when imprisoned in Mirkwood?
@brandonmunsen6035
Жыл бұрын
What if frodo lost the ring during the journey
@hannessagichnicht6073
Жыл бұрын
What if there was second breakfast?
@gabrielguidagouveia2343
Жыл бұрын
What if Isildur had destroyed the one ring ?
@myriadmediamusings
Жыл бұрын
Oooh now this is a possibility I never considered! Loved your previous what if installments, theyre like an extra special event. If you dont mind me throwing out my own suggestion: What if Isildur survived Gladden Fields? Meaning that his company still gets ambushed, sons killed and stll loses the ring, but doesnt get felled by arrows?
@daarom3472
Жыл бұрын
would much have been different really? I wonder what would've happened if during the Nirnaeth Arnoenidad the evil men hadn't been evil and betrayed their allies, would the alliance have won and what wod the landscape look like afterward?
@Hellbane224
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, losing the Ring is WHY he got felled by arrows. He put on the Ring and dove into the water to try to escape, but the Ring did what the Ring likes to do and abandoned him, leaving him exposed.
@daveroe4961
Жыл бұрын
I always thought Saruman was never interested in using The Ring except to advance his knowledge in order to craft his own ring.
@Gilliganfrog
Жыл бұрын
Wrong. If anything, Saruman's intentions were the exact opposite: he experimented with creating his own rings SOLELY BECAUSE he didn't possess (but very badly lusted after) the One Ring himself. Although both beings were Maiar, Sauron was far, far greater & more powerful than Saruman; and Sauron's One Ring was far, far more powerful than anything Saruman could have ever made.
@marcoaraiza9381
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, plus the one ring adds to sarumans power. If he made his own ring he'd just gimp himself like Sauron did
@Mare_Man
5 ай бұрын
@Gilliganfrog Tolkien himself said that if Saruman had been able to fill the gaps in his Ring-lore he would have been able to forge a Great Ring of his own and challenge the bearer of the One.
@eric81757
Жыл бұрын
I think it would have been possible for Saruman to get the ring earlier than he did. If Gandalf had decided to go to the shire instead of listening to Radagast, then Gandalf wouldn't have known of his treachery, and they might have taken the ring to Saruman willingly. That has always been one of my big "what ifs". Gandalf even said that if he'd known about the ring wraiths being abroad, he never would have listened to Radagast, he would have gone straight to the Shire and left right away, missing out on a lot of the members of the Fellowship along the way.
@braixendelphox4051
Жыл бұрын
The artists who lend their art to these videos are nothing short of incredible, Christopher Lee's likeness is completely spot on.
@dfailsthemost
Жыл бұрын
Everybody's gangster until Bombadil hears you've been tearing up trees.
@Br4dSp34d
Жыл бұрын
"...and Debbie" just kills me every time 😂😂
@charleslathrop9743
Жыл бұрын
The Blue Wizards return from the East with armies of dwarves and Easterlings to destroy Saruman.
@Rabeaamasha11
Жыл бұрын
Great video! but how would Gandalf free King Théoden from Saruman's control if Saruman possesses The One Ring and his power over King Théoden at its fullest ?
@alaafarhat2464
Жыл бұрын
True !!!
@alaaamasha9188
Жыл бұрын
Nice notice, so true bro
@Amasha-Shade
Жыл бұрын
so true man , good comment
@omeryakuppatan5784
Жыл бұрын
I get so happy whenever I see this channel's notification ❤ keep the good work man, great job!!!
@MichaelZislis
Жыл бұрын
I love these theory videos! Just finished yet another read through of LOTR and wanted to add these to your list in case you didn’t have enough awesome content ideas in the pipeline 😅 - What if Sam takes the ring - What if Faramir takes the ring - What if Aragon takes the ring - What if Boromir takes the ring
@ryankoops1455
Жыл бұрын
I don't think the process of mastering the ring would be so trivial as Saruman deciding to be its master. I think it would be a process that would take time to fight for its control. While Saruman is a powerful Wizard he is not as powerful as a Maia and is weakened compared to his Maia form. great vid! it clearly shows alot of time and research put in!
@Cerylion
Жыл бұрын
On other hand, Saruman was preparing for centuries to claim the ring. If someone could master the ring in a short notice, I'd say it would be him.
@ryankoops1455
Жыл бұрын
@@Cerylion Its interesting to look how much Saruman prepared and how all of his preparations still lead to failure. I think Saruman is a great example of how preparation by your self in isolation isnt very useful. “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.” He has no real allies or friends to help him and does not truly test his plans against adversity. In his arrogance he sees his plans as flawless. Saurman prepares an army and weakens Rohan, yet its clear both in the books he does not actually have good battle strategy (this is seen in lotr and expressly state by Hammond and scull and discussed in a PPP episode. He sets himself up in a great position to find the ring, and yet fails to find it. He is the leader of the white council yet Gandalf is really the one that ends up directing the councils actions. While I agree that Saruman is one of the few who could master the ring, his knowledge is purely academic and not practical like Gandalf or Galadriel who wield rings of power and have been in the presence of the one.
@JemRau
Жыл бұрын
Remember what Aragorn said: “The ring only answers to Sauron himself, it has no other master.”
@YavuzSultanSelimHan1470
Жыл бұрын
Celebrimbor
@JemRau
Жыл бұрын
@@YavuzSultanSelimHan1470 Yes in the retarded game adaptation
@WarriorBane
Жыл бұрын
Remember what Tolkien said: 17:05 about gandalf taking the ring as a new dark lord
@heathersmith4042
Жыл бұрын
What Aragorn meant by that statement was that mastering the ring, or trying to use its powers for their own purpose, was destined to not actually save middle earth, because the ring would poison everything they did to be for Sauron. Gandalf and Galadriel were both very clear about this. Their challenge wasn't "darn it, if we could just master the ring!", their challenge was refusing the temptation to try.
@Nosyboy_huh
Жыл бұрын
@JemRae Aragorn was talking about mortals using the one ring. Even if he wasn’t he was clearly wrong because in that same book Tom B controlled the ring and made it disappear and reappear. Saruman and Gandalf are Maia and could possibly control it as Tolkien says himself.
@steveslothstorm1155
Жыл бұрын
Loving these theory videos. In the Balrog video you mention how it's possible the Balrog of Moria might act as an ally to Sauron and it would be awesome to see a theory video considering what effect a more active Balrog would have on middle earth.
@robertmyers4664
Жыл бұрын
Interesting theory but it’s missing one major player: Manwe. Yes the Valar have an annoying tendency to not get involved, but if things get bad enough they have eventually used their might to defeat Morgoth’s forces in the past. Sending the Istari was Plan A, as it ideally would allow the free peoples to resist Sauron on their own, and sending back a “powered up” Gandalf after he proved he would not be corrupted by it was further evidence of Manwe’s care for the survival of the free people’s. In the books, that was enough, but had the ring come up Sauron it Saruman, I fully believe the Valar would have intervened directly.
@Mentallect
Жыл бұрын
Sarauman becomes basically Sauron himself with similar motivations, but slightly different as well. Sauron wants to control people to benefit people according to his evil philosophy which leads to him being autocratic, Saruman wants to resources more than people, but he Saruman also wants to control people, but Saruman likely kills off many more people than Sauron in the end because he craves gold and jewels more.
@shaneknolltrey728
Жыл бұрын
Well, they are both (former) servants of Aulë, and suffer the same controllingly-ambitious weaknesses of character. Makes sense they'd take ME in relatively the same direction.
@thekillers1stfan
4 ай бұрын
10:37, I feel like at this point the Elves would also have to step in. Mirkwood and Loth Lorien might not be able due to orc incursions but Rivendell would have to participate.
@huron994
Ай бұрын
It surprises no one that the only way all these heroes succeed is to have nearly zero deviation from the plot points, and deep dives like this are really fun to hear how complete tolkiens story truly was
@theoncomingstorm7903
10 ай бұрын
Now do Radagast
@GameAnGrog
Жыл бұрын
Whenever you get your gold play button, you should have it forged into a replica of the one ring.
@noahnaugler7611
Жыл бұрын
That epilogue is such a tease, now I want this alternate timeline to exist
@picklebuckeye
Жыл бұрын
That epilogue was just perfect!
@MobyTheMerpup1852
8 ай бұрын
I think I’m starting to get dangerous ideas, though I will ask my aunt about it as the dangerous idea is something pretty large. What if Chort got the one ring? To boil this character down she’s from a completely different series or rather her personality goes back to 1956, then tweaked 62 years later.
@alfiewilliams2425
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video,huge fan. compelling and perfectly reasonable within the lore and universe, but that epilogue... you have to do a follow-up 'what if' about that, the whole idea of their meeting would make for a great tale!
@naraiceylob
Жыл бұрын
The one thing I note is that I suspect that the elves would flee middle earth when an enemy took the ring whether that enemy was Sauron or Sauruman. While Lothlorien and Rinvendell may fall I suspect they would both be near empty before they fall. Perhaps a rearguard would remain but Elven kind would have fled to the havens.
@AnujGupta-ro9xc
Жыл бұрын
Excellent theory. Also, that in Gandalf's corpse, Saruman finds Narya the Great. Imagine the fire power, literally, he gains. The rest of the Elves and Dwarfs stand no chance.
@Bog_Wizard
9 ай бұрын
The only problem with this theory is that Sauron would have never trusted Saruman with the ring. He would have attacked Isengard immediately and razed Isengard.
@danieljessen8009
Ай бұрын
“A delight to hear the voice speaking” yup that would be Christopher Lee
@bobby_pilgrim4528
Жыл бұрын
That epilogue gave me goosebumps! I need more of that!
@SuperAaron55555
29 күн бұрын
I feel like the Valar would be force to intervene at this point. After all they sent Saruman to middle earth in the first place. I think they would have unlocked all of Gandalf’s power as a Maiar. Putting him on even footing to a white wizard wielding the ring.
@Fungo4
Жыл бұрын
The idea of Saruman turning Middle Earth into an industrial hellscape is so interesting to me. Everything we see him doing in the movies is for the purposes of war, so I'm very curious what he'd be using his industry for once he rules most of the land. Mining I guess?
@SelfProclaimedEmperor
12 күн бұрын
Just like in real life, industry can exist without war, usually to enrich its owner
@jacksonu9531
Жыл бұрын
What if Theodens mind was never poisoned by Saruman
@cassandrabuitron427
Жыл бұрын
Really excellent stuff. Congrats on almost hitting 1 mil!!
@kevindegraaff9875
Жыл бұрын
This is my favourite 'what if' so far
@theblackflame4002
Жыл бұрын
Here's an idea. What if Gollum didn't fall once he got the ring from Frodo, and instead escaped the mountain? Or for that matter, if he simply stole it back at some point during the journey not like he didn't have ample chances.
@fr-joey764
Жыл бұрын
I think Nazguls/Orcs would have caugh him on day or another, Gollum was too weak even with the One Ring
@gracelloyd3758
Жыл бұрын
The soundscape sounds amazing
@booksimmersed
Жыл бұрын
I like to think so! :D
@adamhrncar3653
Жыл бұрын
What if Celegorm marries Luthien and Huan doesn't betray Celegorm.
@jeremymott
2 ай бұрын
Woah that be a war between elves
@adamhrncar3653
2 ай бұрын
@@jeremymott yes, but it would be interesting
@dennisbrown5313
Жыл бұрын
Sauron would not have fallen as long as the One Ring exists; only when destroyed would he be crippled since much of his power was made into the ring. Similarly, as long as that power exists, Sauron remains as he was/is without the ring. That is clearly stated in the LoTR books.
@dougevans9184
10 ай бұрын
At 9:41 do we think that Gandalf would have had the strength to heal Theoden with Saruman wielding the power of the ring? Ah, maybe because he didn't claim it at that point..
@kirkwhite3399
Жыл бұрын
Daaamn. So many times in this i found myself exclaiming aloud 'yes!' This is how I'd imagined it would go. Very compelling. Excellent work...
@Delpino666
Жыл бұрын
Loved the video, man. Such a great take! One of the most interesting "what if" moments on the whole timeline for me is what if the Balrogs would have been too late and shelob had consumed the silmarils and Morgoth. Instead of a main antagonist who is cunning and bides their time the free peoples would have had to face one that was more instinct and hunger-driven
@LinkMan1NeoGAF
8 ай бұрын
Ungoliant, you mean.
@MisterEnsayne
Жыл бұрын
Missed the What Ifs! Pretty sure that's how I discovered NotR
@frankbarnwell____
Жыл бұрын
It's very fun to imagine.
@drumstrumming
Жыл бұрын
since Saruman is the new Sauron (melkor?!) maybe the valar can deal with him like they did with Melkor(Morgoth)!?
@wanderdragon1075
Жыл бұрын
Ooo man I may have to get this soundscape and start my read through of the Serkis audiobooks over lol
@booksimmersed
Жыл бұрын
Many others have done the same! Syncing is very easy and well worth it! :D
@Sputnik_
Жыл бұрын
These type of videos are some of the best. would love to see the "Got the one ring" series expand. for example what if Elrond got the ring or Legolas
@ryankirkpatrick8062
8 ай бұрын
I remember reading somewhere that had Saruman not betrayed the white council and joined the alliance that Saruman would have been able to put together the last bit of knowledge he needed to create his own ring
@Jayjay-qe6um
Жыл бұрын
I like the continuation of this theory, most especially Faramir and Eowyn resistance against Saruman.
@arrjayzor
Жыл бұрын
I'm usually not fond of theory videos, but this one was really well done.
@DraconimLt
5 ай бұрын
''With both Rohan and Gondor welcoming an ally at their northern border'', mmm that aged well for them...😅
@luiscevallos660
Жыл бұрын
All of the Istari; the wizards, arrived to Middle Earth via the Grey Havens. Why did Cirdan the Shipwright not give Narya to Saruman? But instead gave it to Gandalf? Was it a fore-telling? An intuition?
@DarkSide_Gaming21338
Жыл бұрын
I thought that as long as the one ring survived the spirit of Sauron would endure. This then would give him the opportunity to regain his power and find a way to work his way towards getting the one ring back.
@AScannerClearly
Жыл бұрын
That’s always what I thought (though I see now Tolkien did disagree on at least some of his letters.) I’d understood it before that if anyone else took the ring to use it, either Sauron would be able to nudge/influence their actions subtlety or the bearer would grow overconfident in their own powers, that Sauron would be able to devise a trap for them to foolishly fall into, thereby letting Sauron capture or slay the wearer and reclaim it for himself.
@gillianlovell9578
Жыл бұрын
You are correct. This is an error in the video. Sauron would not become diminished to a powerless spirit unless the Ring was destroyed; it doesn't matter if Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn or anybody else, great or small, in Middle-Earth wore it and openly claimed it as their own. The Ring would, given time and opportunity, betray all in its quest to return to Sauron...and succeed.
@DarkSide_Gaming21338
Жыл бұрын
@@gillianlovell9578 that’s what I thought
@NZStarlight
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised to not see some quotes from Tolkien on what would have happened if Saruman had gained the ring? Surely he mentioned that in some of his letters? It's an interesting view that Saruman really could have "won". I think most people assume that Saruman was self-deceiving and that had he claimed the ring that Sauron wouldn't have had too much difficulty wresting it off him.
@ZanathKariashi
Жыл бұрын
yeah, I find it doubtful. The fact that he fell without even having the Ring gives him as much a chance of mastering it as Gollum. The Ring would play into his ego and let him borrow it's powers to convince him that he had mastered it (since no one in story knows that truly mastering the Ring would destroy Sauron instantly, the same as unmaking it, that was only explicitly confirmed in Tolkien's letters) while urging him to defeat Sauron and remove the threat to his power, at which point he'd essentially bring the Ring right to Sauron and it would betray him and return to it's true master. Everyone in story just assumes that mastering the Ring would let them use it's powers of domination and they could overthrow Sauron and eventually become a dark lord themselves no matter how good intentioned they started out as. Though Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel also acknowledge that it's more likely that the Ring would just pretend to help them right up till they unwittingly delivered it right back to Sauron for anyone foolish enough to even try to master it.
@doominator4072
Жыл бұрын
I love this theory as I’m a big fan of Saruman and Isengard.
@jaysgamingcorner8539
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. This theory took a dark turn, fitting considering that it's about Saruman. Keep up the great work
@vineeshmathur6929
Жыл бұрын
After Saruman captures Gandalf, Saruman would take his Ring of Fire as well. His power would be even greater than with The One Ring alone. Unless Gandalf foresees this and loses or destroys the Ring of Fire in advance.
@lysander3262
Жыл бұрын
Considering he did not steal Narya when he captured Gandalf in the books, I suspect he either did not know Gandalf had it or else did not have the power to take it from him.
@lysander3262
Жыл бұрын
Ah, nevermind, I see what you are saying. Yes, the One and one of the Three would be powerful.
@Reaper0123
Жыл бұрын
Nice theory, and hoping to see more ’what if’s’. And clearly in these ones about claming the ring, the True victor is ”The One”…
@arinatema6932
Жыл бұрын
Could you do a theory video on the would happen if the council of Elrond chose a different option then destroying the ring. Such as bringing it to Valinor or keeping it in Rivendell.
@tommurphy777
20 күн бұрын
Would love one of these for "What is Feanor survived against the Balrog(s)"
@neilbakshi7365
Жыл бұрын
You brought up a fascinating logical problem with the Nazgul. No doubt many others have asked this, but it's worth asking here for sure. Saruman said that if he held the One Ring, then the Nazgul would call him "Lord." Do the Nazgul obey Sauron, or whoever holds the Ring? One interpretation is that they obey Sauron because Sauron "holds" the Nine Rings. They are enslaved by their rings, he holds them, so they obey him. Another interpretation is that things DID work that way UNTIL Sauron created the One Ring to rule all others, after which point they obeyed whoever held the One Ring. Which brings up the problem of why they continued to obey Sauron when he no longer held it -- which was for most of their existence. When the Witch-King ruled Angmar in the Third Age, was he obeying Sauron, or was he doing his own thing and enjoying being a deathless evil badass? This is important as a plot hole in the Lord of the Rings story, because if the Nazgul ultimately obeyed whoever held the Ring, then they were emphatically NOT the right servants to send after it. If the Ring was claimed by an enemy of Sauron who was strong enough to wield it, Sauron would want the Nazgul far away from that person, otherwise it's just shortening the time before that new owner gathers the Nazgul and starts to command them. Raising more wights in the Barrow-downs for himself and whatever. In the context of your video, I'd think Sauron would never want the Nazgul to go anywhere near Orthanc. Any thoughts on which way this goes? Because there are big issues with each interpretation. Thanks for all your video thoughts!
@mirvzdnb
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your What If‘s! It would be very interesting to see a „What if Faramir got the One Ring“.
@gageryan9575
Жыл бұрын
We need a theory Sauron gets the ring and controls middle earth but what would the Valar do about Sauron since they basically threw Morgoth into nothing
@grimborn9949
Жыл бұрын
That, indeed, is a very good question.
@Tengu125
8 ай бұрын
It's interesting, just how similar Saruman is to Count Dooku in every way but exact position in their order (Dooku was very high, but not the highest in power and rank among the space wizard samurai, while Saruman was top ranked among his brand of celestial wizards). It's like they were fated to be portrayed by the same actor.
@smaco6633
Жыл бұрын
The idea of Middle Earth going through an industrial revolution is awesome. Reminds me of that old Troika game, Arcanum.
@momi1carlos
10 ай бұрын
I always wondered, what if Bill the pony got the ring?
@WrambleOn
Жыл бұрын
Hey Matt! Is there a way to play the soundscape on my phone simultaneously with the audiobook? Or is this intended for PC/MacBook only?
@donutlovingwerewolf8837
Жыл бұрын
I haven't fully watched the video yet but this can go two ways. Either Sauron eventually corrupts Saruman into becoming his slave *or* Saruman somehow dominates the One Ring and doesn't become a slave of Sauron
@virusO1OOOOO1
Жыл бұрын
Oh man I remeber my brother in law had a sweet surrond system when we all binged LoTRs it was great, I bet Soundscape is going to be a completely different experience!
@booksimmersed
Жыл бұрын
Hearing it through a surround system is quite the experience!!
@virusO1OOOOO1
Жыл бұрын
@@booksimmersed I am excited to bare witness to the newest form of Tolkien appreciation/exaggerations, ALWAYS! 😂 P.S. Thank you to any and all Soundscape team.💯✌️🙌
@matthewferguson1979
6 ай бұрын
dude you are amazing. Never stop with the content. Absolutely amazing
@bubbaboulware3610
Жыл бұрын
So crazy. I was just watching the trilogy the other day and during the first one when he sends his dudes after the fellowship, I thought to myself "what if ol boy got the ring instead of sauron" and here we are....
@JonStark117
Жыл бұрын
*Saruman the One has commanded me to “Like” this video.🙌🏼😵💫*
@OutlawStradegyGaming
Жыл бұрын
Your videos are badass dude, you're the bomb!
@TETASARAIVACS
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Ents would ever attack Isengard, if the Hobbits had never come to Fangorn. And if Saruman was in possession of the One Ring, I think Gandalf would not be able to free Théoden from him.
@MrBrendanRizzo
Жыл бұрын
I mean, we all know that the One Ring is basically an “I win” button for any villain.
@aronmakan
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Could You Do More "What If" Videos In The Future?
@NerdoftheRings
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! It has been FAR too long since I did a theory video and I'll definitely not wait so long for the next! Thanks for the Super!
@abbylangner
6 ай бұрын
I'm a casual fan who read the trilogy an *age* ago... But I just binge-watched some of these "what if so-and-so took the ring" videos, so I'm taking a moment to comment and slam that subscribe button before going straight into another!
@zephyrna6249
Жыл бұрын
Good to know that Saruman winning would just be the Industrial Revolution. Truly a mortifying, dystopic future.
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