Illnesses caught by Whatifalthist over the last month: - Bubonic Plague - Gout - Ebola - Endometriosis - Lupus - Spanish Flu - Agoraphobia
@gabe7630
5 жыл бұрын
-Scurvy
@squamish4244
5 жыл бұрын
Love the "Arson, murder and jaywalking" (from TV Tropes) nature of this list.
@GD30.06
5 жыл бұрын
Ligma
@Roblox2025
5 жыл бұрын
White guilt
@Malos_
5 жыл бұрын
No I'm sure it wasn't lupus
@gatormc8917
5 жыл бұрын
Now we wait for the inevitable "What if Islamic/Indian/East Asian cultures rose to dominance" comments.
@gatormc8917
4 жыл бұрын
@George Nathanael I know that, I was saying during the age of exploration onwards.
@hadi8699
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Awakeningspirit20
3 жыл бұрын
I really want to see an Indian-dominated world (India's a peninsula with rivers too, what the heck?)... imagine if science were harnessed by that culture with what it already knew spiritually? They already knew about the endocrine system (chakras) and medicine, they just never developed it past holistics essentially. The Indian world could possibly become almost like Rome where they had many gods, yes, (30,000,000 actually) but they probably only used them as cultural symbols and became much more spiritual and innovative than religious; they would work with what IS instead of theories about gods and rituals (so, medicine and health-dominated 'religion,' or no religion at all in some cases). Science would not scare India; if they had the innovation they'd want to go to the stars and beyond.
@hadi8699
3 жыл бұрын
@@Awakeningspirit20 what about all 3 mix
@harshjain3122
3 жыл бұрын
@@Awakeningspirit20 hinduism was never a religion per say uk...it was more of a race type thingy. So we weren't really religious in the western sense in the first place. And yes, I would love to see that.
@davidzau3665
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 I imagined a mixed traditional Japanese and Mormon culture and it was a Japanese guy telling his son no hentai tonight
@mint8648
3 жыл бұрын
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@olivernt2667
2 жыл бұрын
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@halfmoon106
2 жыл бұрын
That sounds kinky.
@Kolroling
5 жыл бұрын
Well that sounds like "Tolkiens" world it does, being that they lived in a medival like society for over 9000+ years. 6000+ years if you only count the "Edain" societies.
@alanparker9608
5 жыл бұрын
List of largest European colonial empires by land area (Max. land area in million km2) British Empire: 33.6 French Colonial Empire: 23.5 Russian Empire: 22.8 Spanish Empire: 19.4 Portuguese Empire: 10.4 Dutch Colonial Empire: 5.2 Italian Empire: 3.7 German Colonial Empire: 3.1
@squamish4244
5 жыл бұрын
What is staggering is that all of these but Spain and Portugal were at their peak in 1914. Six countries controlling a huge amount of the earth's surface. That's technology for you.
@ignaciodegrado9477
5 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires this list disagrees with you
@squamish4244
5 жыл бұрын
He said "European colonial empires" specifically. Never before in history had so many huge empires existed at the same time, or possessed such a technological and political advantage over their opponents - not even the Mongols. For instance, as powerful as the Mongols were, not even they could have pulled off what the British did at Rourke's Drift, where 152 British and colonial soldiers trapped in a bare-bones fortified position but armed with single-shot breechloading rifles managed to fight off at least 3,000 Zulu warriors - 10 to 1 odds. Ten years later the British and all the colonial powers would be armed with bolt-action rapid-firing rifles, which would have made Rourke's Drift not even a serious fight and made future fights basically massacres.
@Miguel-sg7ll
5 жыл бұрын
What drug did you take to say that the french colonial empire was 23.5???????
@iteachyou1575
5 жыл бұрын
French Empire was at his peak in 1940 before the defeat not 1914. The french and British gain many colonial territories after WW1.
@maxpower7001
5 жыл бұрын
Please do a "what if the all major powers were like the west"
@alezar2035
5 жыл бұрын
Nowadays, they are, China India Japan ... They are westernized
@gottjager760
3 жыл бұрын
I present dozes of world wars.
@Awakeningspirit20
3 жыл бұрын
That alternate timeline is called Age of Empires
@dallascopp4798
3 жыл бұрын
@@alezar2035 China is far from westernized
@harshjain3122
3 жыл бұрын
@@alezar2035 becoming*
@Iridescence93
5 жыл бұрын
I think you gloss over the possibility of a very early industrialized China a little too easily. They were close to it in the real world before European countries started interfering with them. You really should do a whole video on how this scenario would impact China and Japan because it is very complex.
@asuka7309
5 жыл бұрын
How was China ever close to it before it actually happened in Europe?
@stafer3
5 жыл бұрын
You need incentive for industrialization. In 1700, wages in UK were two times higher than in China, century later almost 3 times higher. If cost of human work is so high it makes economic sense to invest in creation of machine that replaces human work. You can pretty much see that in our current times. 30 years ago, cost of work was cheap in China, so instead of innovation, corporations just moved production to China were it was done by lower cost. Once workers in China started getting higher salary, push for automation became stronger. Still, corporations moved some production to south east Asia, but there aren’t just billion qualified workers hanging around to replace them, so more autonomous machines have to be developed. Don’t look at it from our future perspective where we have internet, planes, cars and space program and it comes naturally to us that machines are invaluable. Look at it from perspective of employer in 18. century China. You want to do some task, the most easiest way is to just employ more people. Because they are cheap and there is abundance of them. Which is stark contrast with UK where they were few and expensive. Second thing is competition. With whom China competed? In Europe, nation that wasn’t innovating was swallowed by nation that was. There was big incentive to never do what China did with their “We are the best we don’t have to pay attention to outside world” and then steam boats arrived from other side of world few centuries later. In Europe, distances are so short that when you get new “toys” for your military you can just march to capital of other country. So everyone was just upping each other. Third is market. First print was created in China in 11. century. First metal print in Korea in 12. century. But they never created market for it. While Europe jumped on the train in 14. century, they immediately used it to print inflammatory pamphlets, wrote silly stories for lower classes and printed pretty much whatever there was demand for. Once there is market, development follows. Better and more numerous prints meant more and more books, which meant higher access to knowledge for everyone. Fourth, decentralization. For enlightenment to flourish you need that certain constellation of factors. Like for example fact that when free thinker who fights against authoritarian government can just move few kilometers behind borders and safely continue his rant against monarchy. Since he has access to print, he can still move his information to his country. Because it’s just behind the corner. Other free thinkers can move there just as well from their countries. They all can exchange knowledge so information can move in and out of various countries. And since there is no central authority, they can just always move away to different country when their current host country becomes sick of them. This is not possible in China. When you start rant against emperor, you can move thousand kilometers in every direction, and you will still be in China, and still under emperor that will just shut you down. Which eventually leads to fifth, literacy. When you have bunch of free thinkers that can’t be shut down by monarchs because they are behind border, who are trying to educate masses that monarch doesn’t have any mandate from heaven, there is no natural order that says that those at power should have that power, they can push outside of rigid tradition. Peasant farms on his farm and is subjugated by his lord. His father was like that. His grandfather was like that. And his son will be like that. There is rigid wheel without any change that just continues. For peasant, how it was thousand years before him, so it will be thousand years after him. Unless there comes some outside force. In this case enlightenment. Suddenly when you have population that has access to knowledge (ability to read an write) your pool of thinkers, inventors and scientists grows exponentially. When some king brings scientists on his court, that nice, but that just few hundred or thousand people. That doesn’t change society. But when there is pool of millions from which new thinkers can rise then suddenly technological development skyrockets. Which is pretty much what happened in Europe. And all previous point just feed on this fact. More educated people meant more inventions. Bigger market meant that those invention will find some use in economy. If they get use, than country that is first becomes stronger than neighbors. So every other country will adopt it as well and then tries to build on it, so the first country has to come up with something better or risk to fall behind. There is no room for stagnation, no room for rigid society that won’t change. So no, China and Japan didn’t come close. They come close in sense like ancient Greece that had steam engine in 1.century BC, but without market of people, without educated masses, without societal structure it remained just this one curiosity toy without impact on society.
@Iridescence93
5 жыл бұрын
@@asuka7309 Around the 11th century China had an advanced iron producing industry and many other technological inventions and was actually quite far ahead of Europe at that time. I should have mentioned the Mongol invasions also had a large role in slowing Chinese growth although the Ming Dynasty also got quite strong for a while.
@asuka7309
5 жыл бұрын
@@Iridescence93 ... That's not industrialisation, it's not even close to being what industrialisation is.
@Iridescence93
5 жыл бұрын
@@asuka7309 I know it's not. I never claimed they actually industrialized. I said they were moving in that direction and farther advanced than Europe so it's not impossible to think they could have given different circumstances.
@andyzhang7890
3 жыл бұрын
It seems like India potentially had the means of becoming pretty powerful, since they were also a peninsula where the several competing powers could have fueled faster advancement. I imagine East Asia could possibly have industrialized as well, the printing press had actually been invented seperatey in China a bit earlier than Gutenberg. It's really interesting that after the plague and Ghengis khan, only the west was able to bounce back, would have loved to hear you speak more on the sociological reasons behind that. Do you think if those two events hadn't happened, the 4 powers would still be on equal grounds today, still competing?
@parthshukla545
Жыл бұрын
All four were merely equal before the Mongols. Mongolian invasion and plague literelly made asian civilizations weak and pessimistic, while sparing room for west to fill the void. And I believe India would have been very different from this timeline if one single thing did't existed "The Caste System".
@Thecognoscenti_1
5 жыл бұрын
What if France became Protestant (Huguenot)?
@Thecognoscenti_1
5 жыл бұрын
@Yoshifan9511 Impossible. One of the reasons why the Huguenots were so successful was because of English aid.
@francesconesi7666
5 жыл бұрын
Support you, man.
@Thecognoscenti_1
5 жыл бұрын
@@francesconesi7666 Again, thanks for the support.
@jfojw21dfs9
5 жыл бұрын
Je ne sais quoi How can they become protestants without reformation?
@Thecognoscenti_1
5 жыл бұрын
@@jfojw21dfs9 That goes without saying.
@alfalafelstine1536
5 жыл бұрын
Here's some suggestions: What if the Arabs won any of the Arab-Israeli Wars? What if Napoleon was never defeated? What if the Native Americans were able to adapt their societies and maintain control over a large portion of the Americas? What if Austria-Hungary and Germany united before WWI? What if Charlemagne's empire survived? What if the Crusaders maintained control over the holy land? What if the Arab Caliphates never fell? What if the Mongol Empire never rose? What if Japan managed to build an empire, without pissing off all the Western powers (too much)? What if the Nazis invaded the British mandade of Palestine? What if Apartheid never fell, or expanded to other African nations? Early expeditions into the center of Australia used camels, and they were accompanied my Middle Eastern camel herders. What if these resulted in a significant Muslim influence and community in the nation? What if the Turks never migrated out of Central Asia? What if the US attacked/invaded China during the Cold War? What if Latin America unified? What if Zionism created a Jewish homeland outside Palestine, in Argentina or Uganda? What if the Space Race never ended, escalating with the moon landing into a colonisation race? What if Morocco and the Arab world participated in New World colonisation? What if India became communist? What if India, China, and the Southeast Asian nations united into an Asianic Soviet Union? What if Scandinavia united, and/or colonised Canada? What if the Iberian Wedding never happened? What if Alternative History had taken off as an artform during the Renaissance and had a major impact on social and political development of Europe? What if African civilizations were more successful? What if either the Reconquista or Spanish Inquisition never happened? What if ISIS took over Iraq and Syria? What if the entire Middle East became communist? What if the US stopped it's expansion before reaching the Pacific? What if Napoleon created an empire in North America? What if slaves successful revolted in the American south? What if India unified and conquered other lands? What if the Hindu Caste system collapsed? Or ended with the region's conversation to Islam? What if Sheikh Bedreddin's rebellion succeeded? What if Iran or Iraq won the Iran-Iraq War?
@StevenVillman
5 жыл бұрын
Here's another one: What if Islam never abandoned science and free thinking in the 10th and 11th Centuries?
@leaveme3559
5 жыл бұрын
First ones interesting
@edenli6421
5 жыл бұрын
Problem is that the ‘never fell’ one is impossible. It would mean it is still alive today
@maxpayne3628
3 жыл бұрын
@@StevenVillman they never did.
@freddy4603
3 жыл бұрын
@@maxpayne3628 then what caused them to become so technologically behind the west?
@ahoraya1047
4 жыл бұрын
Spain even had a colony in Northern Tauwan (Formosa) during the XVII century, and Spain ceded its rights over Oregon to the U.S. in its dispute with the UK. Just remember the Strait of Juan de Fuca between Canada and the US. Remember Bodega in Vancouver and the Malaspina Glacier in Alaska. Just some examples
@lapuad
5 жыл бұрын
The Ottoman fleet didnt reach stagnation until the 17-18th century, like the rest of ottoman military complex, and on many occations defeated the Portuguese. but lost crucial sieges (siege of diu). This made the portuguese, and later dutch, british, fleets the main controller of important persian gulf-indian trade routes. So like with the rest of the ottoman empire i would say it wasnt particullary behind the west but more so it was overstretched within its main borders and couldent allocate needed resources from the Egyptian hearthland.
@ericveneto1593
5 жыл бұрын
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! :)
@richardouvrier3078
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting counter history. Good work. We shall never know.
@SanFranFan30
5 жыл бұрын
"Africa would remain Backwards"
@kiburi129
5 жыл бұрын
He doesn't know anything about Africa no surprise
@jpb2366
5 жыл бұрын
@@kiburi129 Letting emotions take place over facts ? He meant sub-Saharan africa which geography is so bad they were cut off the world trade network, technology so low they were at the level of europe 6000 years earlier (spears and bow and primitive huts)
@joemyers3885
5 жыл бұрын
@@jpb2366 Sub saharan Africa played a large part in establishing the Arab Empire and the place of the West -- without the Trans-Saharan Trade, dominated by Sub-Saharan Africa, there is no rise of Islam, and then no Renaissance or Enlightenment, and without Empire of Benin and Kongo, no Trans-Atlantic slave trade or rise of Euro colonialism in the New World.
@willadamou621
4 жыл бұрын
@@joemyers3885 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Godamn you really pulled that outta ur ass
@Richard_is_cool
4 жыл бұрын
There's a channel on African history called FromNothing, it's pretty good.
@SanFranFan30
5 жыл бұрын
This is such a top down look at the world
@bennet761
5 жыл бұрын
What if Osman never existed
@squamish4244
5 жыл бұрын
Very strange that the Industrial Revolution (which was only a matter of time in Europe after the Military Revolution, because the latter was itself heavily influenced by the Scientific Revolution) initially led to colonialism, genocide and huge wars but eventually resulted in a world so rich that even the poorest people in the West today have a better quality of life than the richest kings 1,000 years ago. To clarify, the kings still had a better quality of life than the homeless on the street here until they got sick. And then it could get...really nasty. For instance, Herod the Great was immensely wealthy and built most of the palaces and fortresses that Israel makes lots of tourist $$$ off of every year today, but suffered from decades of agonizing illness and a literally rotting body that drove him half crazy with pain and doubtless contributed to his wanton and nonsensical cruelty. The great Roman emperor Hadrian was in such extreme pain during the last year of his life that he begged his doctors to be allowed to commit suicide (he was refused), and he sentenced hundreds of people to death (all of whom were saved by his successor Antoninus Pius). No homeless person in the First World has to go through that today. Morphine and other opiates get a bad rap - and justifiably so - for their abuse, but they have relieved far, FAR more suffering than they have caused - probably more suffering than literally anything else that humans have ever invented. Countless people die peaceful deaths today because of morphine.
@abiku2923
5 жыл бұрын
Life is strange
@squamish4244
5 жыл бұрын
Isn't it though. History teaches you that most things are multi-dimensional and complex. If you want to contribute something of value to the public discourse, you have to be aware that there are rarely easy answers.
@JasonSpenc
3 жыл бұрын
impressive as always
@youtubeuser1820
5 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about what if Morocco discovered the new world
@fowlae4414
5 жыл бұрын
Or just Islam in general.
@youtubeuser1820
5 жыл бұрын
Fowlae aka NicholsHills Yes, but the closest nation to the America’s is Morocco and there some small attempts but ended in failure sadly...
@youtubeuser1820
5 жыл бұрын
+ it has a close population to Spain, it’s the best example to my opinion
@asuka7309
5 жыл бұрын
@@youtubeuser1820 1. a difference of 10 million isn't similar 2. back in 1600 Spain had a population 4x larger than that of Morocco
@ahoraya1047
4 жыл бұрын
You forget that Spain had already colonized California during the XVIII Century. And without an strong Britain, the Viceroyalty of New Spain (which included Philipines, Cuba, Central América etc) could Jeep its size similar to China. The Viceroyalty of New Spain and the Viceroyalty of Peru were each of them similar to China in size. Remember that the Japanese couidn y beat Spaniards even in the Philipines, so less in Calufornia. Spain gad a higuera income per head than Norway until the XX Century
@SanFranFan30
5 жыл бұрын
I like how we call the north the west
@unyieldingsovereign308
5 жыл бұрын
An excellent series of videos, I like the fact that your ramifications are the most likely scenarios if things had happened differently. Keep up the good work. Also what happened to the video about the great schism of 1056 ? I enjoyed it very much, but can't seem to find it.
@eoinharrington2692
5 жыл бұрын
What if the three kingdoms era never ended
@vvrxj_2448
5 жыл бұрын
Now it’s the Far East ahead of the game
@exactlyloler61
3 жыл бұрын
Without a strong Russian and Habsburg Empire the Ottoman Empire wouldn't have been so deep in dept and military decline that Muhammed Ali Paşa could've seized the empire. He was undoubtedly a general, better than most of the ottomans, but he wouldn't have been able to defeat a united ottoman empire, not when Islam so so far stretched and the Caliph has such a big authority. Controlling the Indian trade would make the ottomans unimaginably rich, they'd probably only fall into decline, when national identities became a thing.
@Dick_Gozinya
3 жыл бұрын
11:33 No, I wasn't expecting The Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!
@np4653
5 жыл бұрын
I would define it more as Europe not only as West because clearly Russia does not belong to West along with Byzantine empire/Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania and some other Balkan countries. Western countries in my opinion are Germanic-Romanic-Celtic countries of western Europe along with Baltic, Slavic, Finno-Ugric nations that adopted their culture trough western Christianity. Russia& co were highly influenced by Byzantine empire's hellenistic culture (greek and cyrilic alphabet, orthodox Christianity etc-even Romania used cyrilic until 19th century). These cultural borders are not absolute (Poles are more similar to Russians then they are to Germans, same with Serbs and Croatians, Albanians were influenced by Byzantines, Italy, and Ottomam empire, Belarusians were initially orthodox then turned to catholic by Poles, then brought back to Russian influence) but the played major role in geopolitical conflicts and they still do. They all belong to wider European civilisation that derived from Mediteranean Greco-Roman world but that split up after the colapse of Roman empire. That split began back in the time when empire was still strong, but differences between two parts (latin and hellenic) became even bigger after the invasion of the empire by Germanic tribes. In the west latin and germanic culture merged into what would later become modern West and the east surviving part of the empire was evolved (with some eastern influences) into what we know as Byzantine empire (although its inhabitants never called it Byzantine but Roman). Its culture was hellenistic greek with orthodox christian religion, and with roman law and roman state tradition. It n highly influenced not only Slavic and Balkan peoples who adopted its culture but also the Islamic world and the West (renaissance wouldn't be possible without the knowledge and cultural influences from both Greeks and Arabs). Both are parts of wider European culture (the very same way Japan, China, Vietnam and Korea are part of Sinosphere). The rest is history (unfortunately often very bloody and tragic).
@user-lw9dm4yd2e
5 жыл бұрын
It looks like colonialism and expansionalism is the main criteria of the "west" in this video, so cultural context doesn't really matter in this case.
@sinoroman
5 жыл бұрын
there's like 5 european subraces or something
@tionen3810
5 жыл бұрын
Great video ! What if the archiduc Franz Ferdinand wasn't shot (and so no WW1, at least not at this time) and created the United States of Greater Austria as planned ?
@francesconesi7666
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely didn't expect it (Guess what.)
@bennet761
5 жыл бұрын
What if alaska and north east asia was still connected
@ccityplanner1217
3 жыл бұрын
Part 1 is the reasons for the difference, part 2 is the effects. I was really expecting people to discuss the so-called woke movement in the comments. Part of me is tempted to cite your videos in my arguments against it on Twitter, but I don't want to subvert your channel.
@davidrosner6267
5 жыл бұрын
When and where would the Industrial Revolution occur in this timeline?
@wratched
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to say. The industrial revolution needs a place with a) an expensive workforce and b) easy access to coal. Oddly enough, the best fit would be Japanese colonial Australia, since that region would be both person-poor and coal rich. Plus the Japanese had a culture very similar to England in our timeline
@scrumptiousbee1032
3 жыл бұрын
@@wratched i was originally qoing to say Japanese California, due to the lack of population and, if they converted to catholicism, they would be a more individualistic society, therefore making industrialization easier, but your answer also makes a lot of sense
@blankmoment2
2 жыл бұрын
@@scrumptiousbee1032 well then either the Industrialization then spread back to Japan and make Japan literally the most power full Empire in the Eastern Hemisphere and maybe the world or the Japanese mainland would reject the idea and the Japanese California would became a nation that resemble the original 13 colony and you get the United Japanese State (XD)
@dairebulson7122
3 жыл бұрын
"Some kind of heretics trying to escape the Inquisition"
@patriottic7315
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reupload!
@purpledevilr7463
3 жыл бұрын
This would make a good game. Of film, or anything really.
@stefangrobbink7760
3 жыл бұрын
The Netherlands in this scenario would still be under Habsburg rule, unless it's conquered by france. It's independance depended on both protestantism and scientific warfare. Without those I'd be in the unfortunate position of being a serf in the lands bordering the german states. It'd be a far flung edge of whatever realm it'd be part of, and pretty much the first to be raided in any war. I'd also speak some kind of Diets unintelligible to anyone 100 miles away in any direction. To the north they'd speak Frisian, to the south they'd speak french. To the west they'd speak Dutch, and to the east they'd speak another German dialect. I would be better able to speak with the germans on the other side of the border than with my countrymen on the coast. Since I'm 21, I would be married and have my first child. What a scenario.
@mint8648
3 жыл бұрын
yes
@jaojao1768
5 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Japan industrialise instead?
@chrisgaming9567
5 жыл бұрын
Probably, but not until roughly OTL's present day or a bit later. But when they do, the rest of the world has one hell of a storm coming for them...
@gabe7630
5 жыл бұрын
anime world culture
@jfojw21dfs9
5 жыл бұрын
Sir Jaojao They lack the natural resources. They would if they set foot on Western US in our timeline where there is oil.
@innosam123
5 жыл бұрын
@@jfojw21dfs9 Oil was not used in the Early industrial Era, only coal. And Japan has huge amounts of it. Japan's geography is roughly equivalent to England during the same era.
@schpyy
5 жыл бұрын
Nah, probably no enlightenment. Remember they only got a proper constitution after it was forced down their throat after WW2. Hence their economic boom post WW2
@henrykkeszenowicz4664
3 жыл бұрын
KZitem comments do bot allow me to write with a feather of a goose, but this is a perfect world you described.
@kayseek1248
5 жыл бұрын
My worst nightmare.
@finnthefrog4354
5 жыл бұрын
Would spain still be able to take mexico like that?
@karl4998
5 жыл бұрын
The Russian Orthodox were probably most welcoming to the natives. Instead of trying to change them, the Russian Orthodox Church accepted the Alaska Native culture into the church.
@Roblox2025
5 жыл бұрын
Karl Rochkov that’s why Russia is so backwards
@karl4998
5 жыл бұрын
Roblox2025 what do u mean backwards
@Grant_Scarboro
5 жыл бұрын
What if Dwight Eisenhower never became president of the United States?
@Shuroro
5 жыл бұрын
Presidents are not as influential as you think.
@joemyers3885
5 жыл бұрын
Since modern mass production and capitalist commercial development started in the world of Islam in the 7-900s through contact with Imperial West Africa (2/3 the worlds gold and dominant power in the Trans-Saharan Trade -- West Africa not mentioned at all is a huge oversight) it is highly likely that the Islamic Renaissance might have proceeded rather than being ended because of the religious reaction to the Crusades. Therefore, it is quite possible that much of the tech you think would not happen would have happened and would likely to have led to further expansion of Islamic (Arab) power into Europe without the rise (or need) of the Ottomans -- and then maybe the Americas would have not been farmed out to the Europeans either
@SuperxDfAb
5 жыл бұрын
good video, i don't think american nations would still gain independence withouth the enlighment and french revolution, though (like you showed in the map at the minute 14:19 with dixie, empire of mexico, etc)
@rohitrai6187
5 жыл бұрын
8:11 Go Takeda!
@paularcher9579
5 жыл бұрын
What if Spain turned protestant during the reformation
@thomaspaine3394
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, could you do a Russia-Japanese War????? How would History be?????
@Awakeningspirit20
3 жыл бұрын
That happened, in 1905 and 1945
@GodSavetheWest
2 жыл бұрын
2:32 we are pretty aware of it
@Alexander-ru3qc
5 жыл бұрын
Is it really so improbable that another region of the world wouldn't eventually industrialize
@liarwithagun
2 жыл бұрын
Civilization as a whole, and China especially, has had the ability to begin industrialization for thousands of years, but no one did until the West. The question isn't why didn't anyone else do it; the question is what unique factors came together in Europe to spark it that somehow never happened before that point in history?
@somerandomdude769
5 жыл бұрын
Do you play EU4?
@Uberkatze-
5 жыл бұрын
What if Poland turned protestant/ what if partitions of Poland never happend?
@mistery728
Жыл бұрын
Dude an islam-japanish split australia would be wild
@dwighttyson6079
5 жыл бұрын
There is a good book about alternate history where Europeans were wiped out from the Plague and other cultures rose. Can't remember the book.
@Yanzdorloph
3 жыл бұрын
what the hell does bureaucratic warfare means, even google is confused
@xcvbnm123
5 жыл бұрын
how are you so sure that industrialization would never happen tho...maybe japan could industrialize
@MarikHavair
3 жыл бұрын
As far as I'm aware (Mind I don't claim to be knowledgeable) but the only thing that motivated the Japanese to develop as well as they did (with western aid) was when western industrial nations were staring them irrefutably in the face, before that they were heading into the future just as stubbornly ass backwards as the rest of the world. Doesn't strike me as fertile ground for independent innovation, not to mention they didn't have any of the motivating factors that Europe had for industrial and technological development until the west exported it's own brand of competition worldwide.
@marvinbanzuela6336
5 жыл бұрын
Not cowboys, but American Cossacks. Cool.
@migshome1975
5 жыл бұрын
What do you use to make maps?
@Benjamin-nf2ir
5 жыл бұрын
Please help me...what is Bureaucratic Warfare? Google is not helping! Love this channel BTW~!
@usuarionaoidentificado9918
2 жыл бұрын
In a nuttshell,it's war being fought as a chess game instead of a street fight.
@MsHydna
10 ай бұрын
I'd think Siberia or Japan would be a good candidate for industrialization in this timeline
@bennet761
5 жыл бұрын
What if the USA colonized Canada
@Roblox2025
5 жыл бұрын
3:55 do you mean primitive and tribal
@artturilaitakari3955
5 жыл бұрын
Question is WHY west rose to world dominance.... It seems to me to be small lucky events.
@slop123456789
3 жыл бұрын
>Northern Coast of Australia would become inundated with Muslim/Indonesian trading cities You've clearly never spent any time there mate. There's a reason why that part of Australia hosts the world's largest electoral district, Durack; roughly the size of Mexico and less than 100,000 inhabitants.
@crossfire7474
5 жыл бұрын
Hi, good to know that you are well. Thanks for the video.
@pypy1986820
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Warhammer universe without all the fantastic element...
@zedantXiang
4 жыл бұрын
What if russia discovered the americas?
@awuuwa
2 жыл бұрын
epic
@mrlentien5333
5 жыл бұрын
But can america be like chille
@joelsavoie8641
5 жыл бұрын
What do you have against India?
@HARMstudio6
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing it’s just history. It’s very similar to Egypt in that it has absurd amounts of resources but has been ruled by outsiders for so long and consistently that predicting a sudden self determination would be very unlikely. Also without unification under British rule against a far off empire it would probably still be HRE like divided or ruled by an outside power like the majority of history.
@fangdog29
2 жыл бұрын
@@HARMstudio6 well, the good thing is that India will only increase in relevance in the future. And Europe will slowly descend into insignificance with the EU being a desperate measure to project influence with no hard power.
@VeritasVortex
Жыл бұрын
So basically the rulers won't be much different to what the world will be in a couple of years
@SamuelChac0n
5 жыл бұрын
Why is mozambique conquering india in the miniature
@anon9579
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe eastasia would rise to dominance
@pigtailsboy
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure you can make the comparison that North America could end up like Brazil or Mexico. They have limits that NA regions do not. Space for expansion also make it likely that people would spread out and avoid their rulers when possible. And if a choice was offered between the evil you know and the natives you don't they might choose the natives as allies.
@SamuelHernandez-wx7lh
5 жыл бұрын
What if WWI and WWII never ocurred???
@ggggg77273
3 жыл бұрын
It seems like you really like the Mormons being their own culturally distinct entity in these timelines, I wanna see a Mormonism based timeline now
@ElHassan555
3 жыл бұрын
What if Siam fell to French or became Christianize?
@carlose4314
5 жыл бұрын
I think that all those nations would turn out like Russia.
@pigtailsboy
5 жыл бұрын
I think it unlikely that even without the west industrialization wouldn't occur. A change someplace might spark the necessary ingredients. Another fractured China or Middle East. It really seems unlikely that nothing would happen especially if gunpowder is known.
@alezar2035
5 жыл бұрын
Every civilization capable of x Will eventually make it, it's a rule of life, sooner or later depends on the conditions but it would happen, we (humans) were destined to create machines
@MarikHavair
3 жыл бұрын
Sure, but when? Even now we've spent far more time than not unindustrialized, we could have done it at anytime even 2/3 thousand years before we did, but we didn't. It happened when and how it did for a reason, the time was right, as they say.
@mudra5114
3 жыл бұрын
What if Industrial Japan would have conquered China? And this Japanese Empire would have gone to war with the British Empire (which had only India) in South East Asia which had no other European Empire like the Dutch and French.
@_eXraided_
3 жыл бұрын
Where is wakanda in all this?
@Awakeningspirit20
3 жыл бұрын
He should do one about if Wakanda actually existed lol
@anonymoose9315
5 жыл бұрын
Have you read The Peshawar Lancers by S M Stirling? Fascinating read.
@paulsheehan6123
5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on if Pat Buchanan won presidential election of 1992 it would really change history
@seannolan9857
5 жыл бұрын
What if Lyndon LaRouche won an election?
@Niidea1986
5 жыл бұрын
I went into the comment section just to find triggered Spaniards
@beaukennedy4618
5 жыл бұрын
Lmao trading "cities" in northern Australia that's a good one They would be a tiny and poor outpost with minute influence over the surrounding regions there's nothing their for Muslim's at the time it's pointless
@danaldtrampf6717
5 жыл бұрын
Australia is worthwise complete shit.. the muslims in our timeline didn't even give a fuck to found settlements there. So there wouldn't be much else in this alternate timeline
@DerHammerSpricht
5 жыл бұрын
@@danaldtrampf6717 Why did the British settle it then?
@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901
5 жыл бұрын
@@DerHammerSpricht there is some farmland in the south east and britain started mining I think? Although I don't think there was much colonisation at all until britain lost the US and Australia became the continent on which they dumped all the criminals
@beaukennedy4618
5 жыл бұрын
@Legend27 Koké nah they just let them run around and send the innocent over seas
@kmmmsyr9883
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Muhammad Ali thing, Muhammad Ali became the governor of Egypt by taking advantage of the instability in Egypt after the Napoleon's Egypt Campaign. Without this, either we'd never hear about him at all, or he'd climb the ranks in Constantinople as an Ottoman officer. Egypt would continue being a part of Ottoman Empire either way.
@austintheamerican3784
5 жыл бұрын
What if Mexico somehow won the Mexican American war
@JoseGonzalez-hp9uy
5 жыл бұрын
They would have to pull a miracle
@austintheamerican3784
5 жыл бұрын
Jose Gonzalez I know it isn’t likely but so is a lot of interesting and popular alt histories.
@JoseGonzalez-hp9uy
5 жыл бұрын
@@austintheamerican3784 I know but I think America will just have to buy land or do more Texas style revolution
@19ars92
5 жыл бұрын
Considering that by 2050 Mexicans will be the majority of people in North America I’d say Mexico already won without a war
@sinoroman
5 жыл бұрын
cody says no (reference)
@christmas8722
Жыл бұрын
Bro i think the world would be more advanced than you think, we wont be stuck in the miedeval ages bur instead have more modern tech than we do have now.
@rohitrai6187
5 жыл бұрын
Your model rests on social order in Europe being theocractic, arguing that in the real world, the social order was such that Europe was fertile for technological progress. The middle class was free, and there was darwinian competition between states. But the social order in other parts of the world too, could have changed in unexpected ways, resulting in rise of technology and innovativeness in those parts. _If Europe doesn't bring progress, nobody else will_ is...a weak argument.
@alezar2035
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, in fact they were just lucky, India with their competing kingdoms or China with their endless Civil wars would industrialize, it was inevitable someone would industrialize eventually and those three civilizations were at most 200 years apart from having their own industrial revolution, however the o e who gets it first gains everything thus our current world If China did it, they would automatically become the world superpower, similar with India
@adityarajan592
5 жыл бұрын
Ive noticed this kind of thinking with all his videos
@veemie8148
5 жыл бұрын
@@adityarajan592 yeah, it can really put me off from otherwise decent content
@continualvariability3345
3 жыл бұрын
@@alezar2035 Industrialization has a lot of factors for it to bloom. China and India's greatest advantages is what stopped them from industrializing and will most likely continue to stop them unless somehow every single factors that caused the industrial revolution in the UK and in turn Europe is applied to either the Chinese civilization or Indian civilization.
@cadengrace5466
5 жыл бұрын
There was no alternative, no one else was going to do it. Most had ample time to do so and did not. Some had better technology during their time to explore the world and did not. If not the West, then no one.
@laufbl
5 жыл бұрын
Finally some sound😌
@taffingtonboathouse5754
2 жыл бұрын
The sun never sets on the J-Japanese empire??
@insectilluminatigetshrekt5574
Жыл бұрын
I don't think the Inca empire would be conquered
@mint8648
3 жыл бұрын
indians or japanese or chinese would industrialize
@Niidea1986
5 жыл бұрын
The point that I find questionable of your scenario is that you can't allow conquest of America and still pretend that Europe remains undeveloped. The European leap was powered with the wealth from America; if you say the conquest happen, the rise of Europe is bound to happen too.
@MarikHavair
3 жыл бұрын
You've got the basic cause & effect backwards. Europe's wealth and success wasn't predicated on colonialism, colonialism was predicated on Europe's wealth and success.
@baraamahmah3419
5 жыл бұрын
I don't agree because if the japanese never got to know gunpowder nor christianity same thing will happen with korea so no amazing korean ironclads which destoyed the japanese supply ships so an earlier japanese empire with korea
@eruditootidure2611
5 жыл бұрын
Weird how this guy somehow thought he could make a decent Alt-History channel while having an understanding of history roughly equivalent to someone who's skim read exactly one 5th grade level Western Civ textbook.
@ahoraya1047
4 жыл бұрын
You should free your mind from the XVI century black Legend about Spain. Spain had the most advanced legal system and the most advanced Administration, which was later used as an example by the British with several Viceroys. The Spsnish pierce of eight or Spanish dollar was used in both América and China until the XIX century as currency. Univerditirs founded un the Americas a century before Harvsrd ....test is why such a largo Empire usted for almost tour centuries and not just one century like the British Empire...
@geoffreylee5199
5 жыл бұрын
Ah, the Greeks were the first to circumnavigate Africa. No one else.
@TheCreator901
5 жыл бұрын
Very good episode, worth the wait. Hope you’re good now. You should do a What if Heraclius fled to Carthage video
@francesconesi7666
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think lots of things would change.
@TheCreator901
5 жыл бұрын
Many things would change. For one, Islam would have been crushed whilst Muhammad was still alive
@francesconesi7666
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheCreator901 Could you give me some years? I'm fascinated by the pre-Islamic Early Middle Ages, but I think there's something wrong. So which year are you talking about in the first post?
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