I live in the bay I’ve been in tech forever, with super smart brilliant people. I always had imposter syndrome for the longest time. Most of my tech friends tell me I don’t need a degree i need to be competent and continue to learn. Keep moving though Coursera and other module based programs, its what they do anyways. I went back to school for nursing and miss my tech days. It’s so exciting to build things with brainiacs. I’m moving through a boot camp now. I think if you’re willing to learn and throw yourself into without the naive mentality that 3 months with get you into Google or Facebook. Most likely not but you do need to start somewhere. Start ups are great and so are other smaller companies that are willing to let you fail your way forward. I love the honesty in this video I love your transparency. Thank you for your honest realistic time frames and for reminding us to work our asses off.
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and watching :)
@loonysvines1665
2 жыл бұрын
Ngl this channel is actually a lot of value for aspiring developers with or without cs background 👍 Awesome work 👌
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton 🙏
@wesleylee4901
3 жыл бұрын
Just the video I need. Been working in HR for close to 10 years now, and I am going through a career change. Listening to your sharing definitely put things into perspective. Keep making these videos, you just got yourself a sub!
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate it Wesley
@bc.oO0Oo.
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks John for telling your story most helpful and encouraging.
@kylebarthelmes2417
3 жыл бұрын
Great video and content John! I completed my final assessment the other day at a/A and now I have a better idea of what to expect! Nice work landing a job at Microsoft 👍🏻
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kyle and congrats!
@ehubb
3 жыл бұрын
Great video man! Thank you for some realistic insight into this process. Almost done with a/A!
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! Congrats on making it to the end. If there’s anything that’d be helpful in future videos lmk 👍🏻
@audunlola
2 жыл бұрын
Super helpful video. I want to make the switch very badly. Nice to hear the optimism about coding bootcamps. Thanks for the content!
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Good luck
@jjjj5452
2 жыл бұрын
I like your style. It doesn't feel like a flashy advert like the other developer yt channels
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
appreciate that ✌🏻
@tonykung07
Жыл бұрын
People probably don't need a degree if they could prove to others in other ways that they are competent to do the job with enough CS knowledge/experience/skill gained in some other ways I usually don't immediately reject CV of a person without a degree, but there needs to be some other things on the CV to show that the 1st round interview won't be a waste of time.
@stacychantal5518
Жыл бұрын
This video was so spot on. Thank you!!
@JohnSteen
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear that, thanks Stacy
@jurassicbacon97
2 жыл бұрын
I’m 24 and switching to software engineering. I have a bachelors in digital production but computer science was my previous major. Currently learning Python and plan to start classes at my college this spring . Unless a boot camp might be better not sure? Great video 👍🏼
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the switch. There are many ways to learn software engineering. Bootcamps in general are geared towards higher-intensity/compressed time scale, focusing on practical skills necessary to get a job.
@kolivanz6305
2 жыл бұрын
I love these style of videos. Reminds me of school ;~; Thank you for putting everything in perspective. I originally wanted to join because of money since that's what's usually being promoted to me, but I really like the unique challenge of coding. And I think it's actually really fun! I'm the same with marketing; I don't like the sales aspect of creativity because it feels like I'm working with nothing and being punished for not like, making Mt. Fuji out of "3 free trainings a week". IDK maybe I'm just being native. But I love the video!!!
@jason1666
3 жыл бұрын
Love your content! I'm getting inspired to make the career change in my life, I'm at the stage you mentioned where I dread going to work every day lol. I have the a/A non-technical interview next Tuesday and so I'm working on my excessive use of "ums" and filler words lol. We'll see if I get in or not, but watching your video really makes me feel that this is the path for me. Appreciate it!
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Jason. Wish you the best of luck! Word of advice for the a/A interview: be yourself, relax, pay attention and come prepared.
@jason1666
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSteen Thanks for the advice! I got accepted! Now the grueling fun begins =D
@reidwilliamson6477
3 жыл бұрын
Great content!
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Reid
@ajabushaban3707
3 жыл бұрын
Such a helpful video man! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. I definitely resonate with you on reason for making the move into programming. I’ve been grappling with the idea for about a year, but after watching this I think I’m just about ready to make the move. One question - do you recommend taking the 24 week course at app academy over the 16?
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Really glad Jidy, thanks! Exciting that you're thinking about making the move. I do recommend the 24 week course because it gives you more time to absorb the material (and sleep). I was working 10 hours a day in that program but still had some margin to study algorithms and data structures on my own and take care of myself.
@abggirma8320
3 жыл бұрын
very honest opinion bro
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏🏻
@catsarecuter
3 жыл бұрын
Are we going to see a "A day in the life" video soon :)?
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
😆
@nepaliyatri1766
2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@kalgeriax1016
2 жыл бұрын
Reason why I want to join bootcamp because if my luck is good, I might accepted to take Computer Science degree in few months future. I planned to use Bootcamp to "enrich" my portfolio. Or at least makes company wants me. Another reason, is maybe if I can, try to do freelance job or maybe make somesort of income using the knowledge. Just to "streghtening" or solidify the knowledge.
@eviljigglypuff2329
3 жыл бұрын
Quick question. So did you have a CS degree or 4 year degree? Great content btw !
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I did not have a CS degree. I have a masters in accounting
@twyiatv
2 жыл бұрын
What did you switch from?
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
I went from Accounting -> Strategy and Marketing -> Software Development
@SHADESHJOY
2 жыл бұрын
I am in process
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Best of luck
@joaquinoldan2605
3 жыл бұрын
At what age did you do the change?
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
30 years old
@BruceWitTheBars
2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I currently work in IT and have a Bachelors in Information Technology, and a Masters in Management and Leadership with a 3.96 GPA. I want to transfer from an application engineer to a software engineer. My company is offering to fully pay for a Bootcamp at Michigan State University. I thought this would be a great chance to sharpen the skills I already have since I took javascript and sql in college. Do you think this would have my career change?
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about that program so I can't comment. Focus on a) efficiency of relevant skill acquisition and b) outcomes of the program (talk to alumni)
@3dstuffin
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I’m 45 and makingg a career change, how many career path choices are there in software engineering?
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There are a lot. Too much to adequately describe in a comment. Generally you'll hear the career paths split up into "front end", "back end" and "full stack", but these are very high-level abstractions of tons of different specialties in each one. Also, you can think of this in terms of individual contributors (IC), who continue to make direct technical contributions, or managers, who manage IC's.
@Powerplugz
2 жыл бұрын
If i've been doing web design, UI dev and business dev for the last 6 years all individually (since 15), would I be an eligible fit?
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Anybody is a good fit if they’re interested and willing to do the work
@nepaliyatri1766
2 жыл бұрын
What education/work background did you transition from?
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Accounting/marketing
@dakotaweigle4776
3 жыл бұрын
Im currently learning front end. Im 21 work a dead end job. Im really wanting rewarding work and i have always been into tech. Whats your thoughts on college? Is this a program where you have to have a degree to get a job. My goal is to give it another year to try and master front end dev then learn a little python and i am looking at going to a coding bootcamp.
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
A college degree (or specifically a computer science degree) gives you an advantage at many companies, but isn't necessary. That's the main selling point of doing a bootcamp. The bootcamp doesn't require a degree and neither do many tech positions.
@JohnSteen
3 жыл бұрын
Here's my full reply 😁: kzitem.info/news/bejne/wGx31YOuo5egpHY
@superdragon4ever
2 жыл бұрын
As you do, I would much rather do the 24 hour App Academy bootcamp, but I also much prefer an in person one, which a/A only seems to offer for the 4 month one. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place in this regard, what do you suggest I consider?
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
They're both effective options. Just a matter of personal preference, pace and timing. Even though it took longer and wasn't in person, I liked the ability to learn at a slower pace so I could absorb the material and also do my own self study (for things like data structures and algorithms) on the side.
@superdragon4ever
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSteen Did you find that you still got good communication with your peers and teachers?
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Yes definitely
@priyanshshah2755
2 жыл бұрын
i am currently accountant student but whenever i study account i feel very bored. I have interest in computer and i have try in html and i have make front page of facebook login i was very happy about it but in accounting i cant do stuff like that and my brother is software engineer and during lockdown time i'v always love seeing him work, doing coding and also want to do it but i have asian parent and i am sacred of them because i had spend money in accounting can anyone guide or suggest me what should i do ????
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Switch asap. I was in accounting for 3-4 years, got my CPA license, worked for big 4 and everything. Hated it. Parents might be anxious at first but once you land a great tech job your career prospects and satisfaction can far exceed accounting.
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
Also, you have time. Don’t stress out about it but as soon as you can make the switch, I would
@nepaliyatri1766
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSteen I am 2 years into my civil engineering and considering the change. Have started some python lessons on Courseera. Is it too late for the switch? I had a very basic Course on programming in my undergrad, otherwise I dont know much on CS. How hard was ur learning process and transition? How long did it take for you to find your tech job? Too many questions here 😄, but thanks.
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
@@nepaliyatri1766 No it's not too late! I switched at age 30 😄 It took me 3.5 months. Here is a post all about my process: johnsteen.co/essays/bootcamp-to-microsoft.html
@nepaliyatri1766
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSteen Thank you. I loved your blog. Btw, you mentioned a 9 month transition to get into Tech. If you don't mind me asking, did you do a full 9-5 bootcamp or did you do it part time while doing your Accounting job? I want to start my Tech journey and am learning some Python, however, I don't know if I should leave the job to get into bootcamp or if I should learn on my own first and then get into bootcamps to decrease thay unemployment period. Anyways, congratulations for your successful transition.
@vansf3433
2 жыл бұрын
Correct, income is not a good or practical reason for you pursue software engineering because there are a lot of ways of making big money, which require far much less than software engineering. So your purpose is impractical You must be really interested in writing computer programmes to be able to do so. It is called as passion. Otherwise, you'll find it very tedious The 2 indispensible requirements are passion and purpose Note that becoming a pure computer programmer is differet from becoming a software engineer. But nowadays, ignorant individuals keep mixing up the two different categories It is easy to become a pure computer programmer to make a decent income. But it requires a lot more to become a software engineer. You'll have to study mathematics and physics at university level , electronics as well as computer hardware architecture, besides software of all sorts, unlike pure computer programmers
@dnasredine
2 жыл бұрын
the main reason to become a software engineer is the money $$$
@JohnSteen
2 жыл бұрын
For me it was: - being interested in the work - being able to create and build - the feeling of relevance and being part of the future - the money
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