This is an exceptional presentation. Thanks very much David. I am an African and i have had a hard time accepting this part of the history of the church but in all i believe the Lord knows best . I have accepted the fact that our leaders our human just like as they make mistakes. This is the time to move on as fellow saints,be united for the course of Zion and declare the restored gospel to all .
@LovesTrains440
2 жыл бұрын
Amen brother!❤️
@DavidNellTheHarbinger
2 жыл бұрын
Amen brother,
@JoeIongi
2 жыл бұрын
Sebastian, I admire your faith and your humility. It reminds me of the story of the Canaanite woman in Matthew chapter 15. “And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table”. Deferring understanding and walk by faith is what our Savior requires of us. Thank you.
@forromaranhense8503
2 жыл бұрын
1 Nephi 12:23 👨🏿🦲👍🏿
@DannyAGray
2 жыл бұрын
Sebastian, I'm wondering if I can play devil's advocate with you for a minute. I don't necessarily hold this position, but the thought has crossed my mind: does it make any difference to you to consider that, despite this mistake, the lord has a plan and a gospel of work for the dead to make sure all the past members priesthood and temple blessings are secured? I mean, no matter what caused all this, or matter what let it go on for so long, in certain most of those members caught in between have had their work done for them. Does that at least secure your testimony in the lord if not in that imperfect men?
@marie-carmelsaintonge6555
Жыл бұрын
Thank you David, I admire your courage and the wonderful missionary work you do. I like your show, you are really part of this generation chosen for these last days. Valiant soldiers, advocates of the faith and of the restoration. From a Sister of Color French Montreal.
@JustinWintch
2 жыл бұрын
David and Taylor. Literally my heroes!!!! Amazing video. Perfect editing and graphics. Thank you so much for putting so much thought and effort into this really awesome video!
@garysatterlee9455
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for acknowledging the lengths that Spencer W. Kimball went to in order to encourage unity among the General Authorities. Changing this policy took a lot of courage and the unified assemblage being present together to feel the Lord's spirit in the process was essential to it's success.
@clontstable1
Жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation of The Ban that I have ever heard. Great job!
@JaySwag77
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. You approached this topic with both scholarship and faith, which is exactly what I'm looking for to understand these issues. I really appreciate what you've done here.
@DavidRencher0
2 жыл бұрын
What an incredible, thoughtful, and well-researched video! You shared a lot of my own conclusions that I have drawn from the same sources. Thank you for this!
@jamason_blair
2 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic and very well done, a challenging topic to address adequately but you did it! A video resource I hope is shared when talking about race and the priesthood.
@radix133
Жыл бұрын
I got the priesthood in June of 1978....and then made many cherished acquaintances with black people on my mission in Brazil.
@kingsolomon0
Жыл бұрын
In Swahili language we have a proverb ; Yaliyopita si ndwele tugange yajayo na kisha maji yakisha mwagika hayazoleki. Meaning: Whatever is in the past should not ail you, instead focus on the future, and besides spilled water cannot be gathered.
@sussybaka4276
2 жыл бұрын
Wow I was thinking about this topic yesterday and I had some questions and this video came up thanks
@hyunjinjoo502
2 жыл бұрын
What a fine research about the topic! It's well written and understandable. Thank you for sharing this! I totally agree and this episode increased my understanding regarding the topic.
@shelleyscoll6427
2 жыл бұрын
I feel it’s important to not call it a “mistake”. It wasn’t something that happened by accident. It was RACISM. It should be labeled and spoken about as such because to continue to use other reasons minimizes the intention behind the ban. As a devout Latter-Day Saint, I can and do refer the denial of the Priesthood to Black people as a racist act. It was.
@timneji
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with it. We should call it at least but it’s name that’s the least we can do for our brothers they suffered trough it
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
So not a mistake but rather a choice that hindered the growth of Zion. Man… if only we all made choices that didn’t hinder the work of the Lord progressing. A parable: We came to a cliff with Heavenly Father. We looked down and He said, “The only way forward is to fall. You will parachute down this cliff and we will give you further instructions.” 1/3 of His children said “Heck no, I am not doing that. It is too scary and I don’t want to get hurt. I’d rather stay here and die.” As we went forward and down, we got hurt. And then there is a LONG journey up to the top of the next cliff where the City of Zion is. At the bottom of the cliff where we fell and got hurt, we met Jesus. He is our guide and shows us the places to climb up to reach the top of the next cliff where the City of Zion (Celestial Kingdom is). We have to follow each step of the way, exactly as the Savior tells us to reach it. It is a hard climb and sometimes our arms cannot take it or hold on. We are weak. We slip, we fall. But Jesus is right there helping us if we reach to Him. Some fell forward only to decide just as the 1/3 who didn’t fall forward down the cliff to just stay here at the bottom and perish. But to those who see the climb and don’t stop, they can choose to keep going and have the faith to overcome this mountain we had to climb to progress on our journey. Eve was the first one to make the choice, though she was beguiled into it. Satan told her that God didn’t love her and did not want her to know what He knew. So she went forth to obtain knowledge, even knowing the consequences that lay ahead. Adam had to fall to save Eve, for only through their seed would be born a Savior to fix it. We learned about love through what we suffer here. And we learn about diligence and perseverance by what we suffer here too. All of these lessons is the way forward, progressing us into the cliff that is before the city of Zion, the Celestial kingdom. We have it in our grasp if we obey and follow, even if it takes a while to get it right. ❤️🙏🏽🌷 The Church is a growing, learning entity too, and just as Christ gave us the grace to keep going with encouragement and not harsh condemnations so should we give a little grace for others who make mistakes along the way, including the Church’s leaders.
@protochris
Жыл бұрын
It's quite a dilemma when the church is the "Restored Church". How could a restored church be so fundamentally wrong in something so essential as the priesthood; when John The Baptist himself had appeared to Joseph Smith, and laid hands on him to restore the priesthood?
@richardholmes5676
Жыл бұрын
I believe it was more of a misinterpretation of scripture than anything.
@agomodern
Жыл бұрын
@@richardholmes5676 Was it? Nothing scripturally in this video proved the ban wrong. My question is, why do people always have to throw out the word racism every time they don't agree with something? A ban on blacks not be allowed to have the priesthood does not equal racism.
@jamesmccampbell7177
2 жыл бұрын
This video was well done. Thank you
@leem3299
2 жыл бұрын
Good effort. Best handling of the topic I've seen from a church promoting source.
@masfe_org
2 жыл бұрын
Exelente explicación! Gracias David por darnos tan detallada y buen resumen sobre este tema.
@PesquisasMormonas
2 жыл бұрын
Por qué este video continúa en KZitem y el de ustedes fue borrado? Después de todo, es exactamente lo mismo, palabra por palabra.
@igoldenknight2169
Жыл бұрын
This video is respectful and amazing. I wish fellow members of the Church was more informed about this topic. I’ve heard hurtful comments from members like “they never lost the priesthood because in the next life they can have it”… Sometimes I get this vibe from other members that because they aren’t black it isn’t an issue to them. And sometimes some members flat out say that. Every member of the Church must face this question. I attended the Be One event at the general conference center during my mission, which was one of the most spiritual experiences of my life. We can all learn from the life stories shared that day of black members from across the world. That being said, I am so grateful for the Official Declaration 2. Because of that revelation I was able to enjoy the blessings of the priesthood, and be sealed to my parents, and my wife. Families can be together forever.
@igoldenknight2169
Жыл бұрын
@@deweydewey6714 Hm… I’d say you’re wrong. I read what you said. And I’m shocked by your negative passion. Are you trying to say that God literally cursed people with dark skin?
@miomiowski
3 ай бұрын
Hey! I appreciate your comment and your personal story and testimony has to be very dear to you. It has to be a very personal experience for you to experience the LDS-priesthood. I'm not LDS-believer but I have genuine questions. Could you help me answering these, since you must be way more knowledgable about LDS-Church's doctrine? My questions are: 1) Aren't the Church Presidents considered Prophets? Don't they have a unique teaching authority and ability to know what god's will is? 2) In LDS-faith, is there any idea of a doctrinal infallibility? Can matters of faith and morals (like whether black priesthood is morally permissible or whether black people descend from Ham and are cursed in some way) change over time? Why should we trust in church that progressively gets new revelation in the future? Can the Christ's Church change its doctrine on for example LGBT issues or the supposed "trans-rights" over time? Doesn't this contradict Matthew 16 where Jesus says Himself that the "gates of Hell will not prevail against my Church"?
@bbbarham6264
Жыл бұрын
Excellent, honest, and thorough presentation of church history. I wish every member of the church could understand this. Many still think the ban was God’s will and that those doctrines are still true.
@bbbarham6264
Жыл бұрын
@@deweydewey6714 So you think that Brigham’s teaching that black people are cursed, divinely destined to be slaves until the millennium, and interracial marriage is a sin worthy of death to be inspired of God??
@michaelangelonanez4464
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for talking about this manner, this part of the history of the Church has given me the most thoughts and questions that I've ever had, mostly because of the reasons around it, I find it hard to believe about the "curse things" [after that I have read both Genesis and Abraham's Account] and other theories that had made about this ban. I am grateful for the resources that I have learned from modern scholars, the churches essay, and even from you guys that I started to get the piece things right and started to get clearer to me. I agree with you Brother David with your opinion on the matter, sometimes we cannot escape this "mortal probation" [ or challenges] and we eventually sometimes make mistakes and get things wrong, sometimes that God does not reveal to us the whole truth, it is something that all us mortals can get misunderstood what truths that God trying to make, in D&C 1: 24-28 summarize it well: “Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding. And inasmuch as they erred it might be made known; And inasmuch as they sought wisdom they might be instructed; And inasmuch as they sinned they might be chastened, that they might repent; And inasmuch as they were humble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive knowledge from the time to time” God knew that errors would happen to us, but [ I believe that] these things shouldn't be an issue, we just need to be patience and be humble about it when going down to the complexity. One thing for sure, we have leaders of the Church despite their flaws or even have to bear such hard history in our Church, they will never lead us astray [ it was their promise] and they have been with us, that's why they called leaders because "they lead us", to guide us in these latter days. I'm grateful for them and other leaders we have today as we go forward with faith and walk uprightly before the Lord in our trying times. I hope people would find answers to their questions, and I hope they will continue to press on.
@agomodern
Жыл бұрын
You learned from this video that church prophets will never lead us astray? I got the opposite.
@braeden5181
2 жыл бұрын
It's almost as if God was always ready for the ban to be lifted, He was just waiting for us to take action. That's how a lot of my prayers are answered!
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It is definitely a lesson to us in revelation. We have to make ourselves ready for more and open our hearts and minds.
@kevinpeterson6468
2 жыл бұрын
It could have happened so much sooner if the leadership had just acted on it.
@kevinpeterson6468
2 жыл бұрын
For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinpeterson6468 they truly struggled to do the process correctly on the issue. So many questions. So many unknowns. They had to put a task force together to figure out all the statements to figure out if it was even doctrine or if it was just a political game. Fortunately, it was figured out and I hope we can move forward from here to build Zion with all our black brothers and sister no more excluded from the city of Zion. ❤️🙏🏽
@tylerprice4415
2 жыл бұрын
But the lord says that he won’t allow his prophets to lead the church astray
@jordanpeterman9935
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing!
@latter-daysaintchristian4134
2 жыл бұрын
So so good! Thank you!
@jacobroundy7667
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! You handled this difficult topic exceptionally. Keep doing what you're doing!
@_My_YouTube
2 жыл бұрын
@@getharryonsax Spoken like a true cynic.
@_My_YouTube
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikkifrompreston4396 All speculation and hearsay... There's simply no evidence to support your assertions for the ban being lifted. Nice try though.
@_My_YouTube
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikkifrompreston4396 I did. According to FAIR LDS, it's a false claim. The story about the threat of losing tax-exempt status first originated from critics of the Church who made speculative claims about a meeting between President Carter and Spencer W Kimball in an article from the Chicago Tribune in 1988. The false claims resurfaced in a 2001 statement made by a woman named Kathy Erickson. A representative of the LDS Church Public Affairs department responded: "It's one thing to distort history, quite another to invent it. Kathy Erickson (Forum, March 11) claims that the federal government threatened The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with its tax-exempt status in 1978 because of the church's position regarding blacks and the priesthood. We state categorically that the federal government made no such threat in 1978 or at any other time. The decision to extend the blessings of the priesthood to all worthy males had nothing to do with federal tax policy or any other secular law. In the absence of proof, we conclude that Ms. Erickson is seriously mistaken." Sorry to disappoint, but according to the very source you referenced, the tax-exempt claim has been debunked as false.
@_My_YouTube
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikkifrompreston4396 According to the source you told me to check out, the rumor that the Church was threatened by the US government regarding their tax exempt status is proven to be completely false.
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikkifrompreston4396 If you had read the source you are citing you would know they determined it was an Urban Myth with no support. Furthermore, there are still religious organizations whose still banned certain groups from joining (like the KKK, which is legal a tax exempted religious organization) who ban membership based on skin color. Do you honestly think if that was a thing the Federal Government would not have removed the tax exempts status from the KKK?
@saintinlower48
Жыл бұрын
This was so well researched and I appreciate the immense effort it must have taken to put this presentation together.
@zrosix2240
2 жыл бұрын
The ending is probably the most genuine and kind opening thing I’ve ever seen. It’s true. The priesthood ban did NOT put a stop to the plan of happiness. It does not stop Christ’s work to be brought about, and it does not stop gods plan to bring about all men to their highest potential. All men, even during the time of the ban, were welcomed to the gospel. We KNOW from modern revelation that if men do not receive it in this life, they will be given the chance in the next. We KNOW as faithful saints that ALL MEN AND WOMEN who this ban may have rejected in this life, will be restituted in the next. That god did not lift this ban immediately because this ban in no way shape or form harmed the coming about of the salvation and exaltation of man. Edit: I wrote this BEFORE you said exactly what I just wrote, I wrote it at 19:40.. that’s embarrassing..
@waynekurtz7407
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video… thank you
@rckburris
Жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for tackling a very sore subject with me. I have been a member of this church for more than five decades and have always struggled with this issue. I could not understand why the priesthood would be withheld from an entire race if people. And when I questioned it with leaders and teachers I never got an answer that satisfied me. Like polygamy it was a practice in the church that never made any sense but I lived with it hoping that one day I would have the answers. I was on my mission when the announcement was made that the priesthood would be extended to all men. I was so happy because I saw it as the church finally correcting a long injustice. When nonmembers question me about this or polygamy I simply say "I dont know for certain why these things were done but the mistakes have been corrected."
@MrRickb75645
9 ай бұрын
Polygamy was always a ordinance made by the Lord. Abraham, Isaac , Jacob, all had more than one wife and or concubines. It was not considered a sin. Joseph Smith himself had more than one wife. He did not want to do this. As when the angel of the Lord came before him and said obey. Yet he resisted. So the Lord sent an angel again , except this time he came with a sword. And so Joseph did as he was demanded. Still the rumors are everywhere that he did many things morally wrong . As with the fourteen year old LDS daughter of Heber Kimbel. But he never had relations with her. She didn't want to marry him and Joseph knew this. He did seal himself to her , and that isn't where it needed. After she got older and found the man she loved. Joseph divorced her and broke the seal so she could be sealed to her husband. He er just worried she would not get to heaven. Joseph delt with many who did not understand God's plan.
@miomiowski
3 ай бұрын
Hey! I appreciate your comment and your personal story and testimony has to be very dear to you. It has to be a very personal experience for you to experience the LDS-priesthood. I'm not LDS-believer but I have genuine questions. Could you help me answering these, since you must be way more knowledgable about LDS-Church's doctrine? My questions are: 1) Aren't the Church Presidents considered Prophets? Don't they have a unique teaching authority and ability to know what god's will is? 2) In LDS-faith, is there any idea of a doctrinal infallibility? Can matters of faith and morals (like whether black priesthood is morally permissible or whether black people descend from Ham and are cursed in some way) change over time? Why should we trust in church that progressively gets new revelation in the future? Can the Christ's Church change its doctrine on for example LGBT issues or the supposed "trans-rights" over time? Doesn't this contradict Matthew 16 where Jesus says Himself that the "gates of Hell will not prevail against my Church"?
@blake-curry
Жыл бұрын
Very well done. Thank you
@mmmckaysquad
2 жыл бұрын
You expressed my thoughts on this topic exactly, and much better than I ever could.
@suenoorda6564
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your web-site! You are doing a great work.
@marksantos557
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! 😊
@heathertaylor-nicholson9387
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Just goes to show even the prophets can be wrong, they were human and fallible as the rest of us. It goes to show how asking The Lord about the question was so important, not just assumed. It's a pity it took so long before things changed, but I guess the Church had to be worthy to get that blessing back.
@agomodern
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a relief to know that I can call out a prophet and the church when they're wrong.
@Sunshine-eo2sp
2 жыл бұрын
Very well done David.
@p0stgravity997
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely phenomenal. Thank you
@BridgerCoburn
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video!
@donb7113
6 ай бұрын
I was just getting ready to return from my LDS mission, and we were at the mission home in Bloomington Minnesota when we received word of the prophet’s announcement. I wept with joy at the blessing that blacks could now enjoy.
@rainy3152
Жыл бұрын
Thank you David…. The mistake of the past, present or future leaders, high or low, whatever it is, could not be the base of our faith…. Because we are all humans….
@joshstucki4349
Жыл бұрын
When any god gives into political pressure (first polygamy, other things, finally this, over the history of the LDS church), I don't think any god was involved at all, just men and their prejudices.
@zachrucker6717
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation on this very sensitive topic! I wish our countries history could be as transparent, and precise. No excuses for the past, but willing to not repeat history and make their same mistakes.
@Hamann9631
2 жыл бұрын
Zack Rucker. Huh? I think you meant "country's" instead of "countries". What country is denying their past? I'm not aware of any. In the USA we aren't doing that and haven't in my lifetime.
@zachrucker6717
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hamann9631 thanks so much for catching that grammatical error. I'm such a dummy sometimes. Our COUNTRYS leaders or spokespersons always sugar coat things or not tell full story. All I'm saying.
@bpassant5452
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video and presentation of such a difficult and relevant question. Well done!
@roboticsutah3741
5 ай бұрын
This is the best video I have seen on the subject without biases. Fantastic work and I am so glad I watched the ful video
@SaintsUnscripted
5 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@waikikibeach08
Жыл бұрын
Great Job!
@tifanyestevez4398
5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@spencerbrady2425
Жыл бұрын
Time stamp 17:40 - the word of wisdom as it’s interpreted today vs what is says in the D&C
@avoice423
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that I am willing to conclude that it was a mistake, because it is not known. Knowing that president Kimball prayed about it for 15 years without an answer, makes me think that timing was important in its lifting. Perhaps the members weren't ready, perhaps other people weren't ready, don't know. But I have heard it said that the Lord prepares things well in advance, to accomplish his purposes. I think the time of the announcement was perfect based on it's over whelming acceptance. Also the growth of the church in Africa has exploded, which is another reason that the timing was right.
@danadams1427
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your greatly thought out presentation. I to have greatly struggled with the ban, believing for much of the time it was from God even though definitely wishing it hadn't had to be. In a way now it's much easier to believe it was a serious mistake now than it was ever from the Lord. Even though the ban was lifted when I was 13, I've had struggles about it on and off, but as you say being as I am also a white man, I would have nothing of the struggles as black members and non members would have had during that time and also now. Thank you again for this video.
@DavidNellTheHarbinger
2 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic, it's hard to acknowledge the humanity that The Lord allows in Church membership and Leadership, but it is ever present. I would say it is a miracle that we have made as much progress as we have and that, put to the balance, despite our flaws, The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS has been a force for such good, that it outweighs the negative ramifications by orders of magnitude,
@Hesaysalot
2 жыл бұрын
Good to know God was okay with his ordained church leaders from the “true” church low key spreading the same dehumanizing malicious white supremacist talking points and beliefs just like other evangelical faiths in America. What would we all do without the LDS’s invaluable divine “revelations” and connection to God? Guess we’d all just become cannibals or something without their divine insight because most of us could never even imagine coming close to approaching their level of “righteousness.” No worries though. God will sort it all out after we die, so no harm done right? Lol
@DavidNellTheHarbinger
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hesaysalot I understand it is difficult, not saying it isn't, but after watching this man, a person of color who experienced that trauma first hand.............and then feeling the Spirit witness to the truth of his testimony regarding our leaders................I van not comprehend just dismissing that off hand, Godless you, I mean that in the northern not southern way lol
@Hesaysalot
2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidNellTheHarbinger Or maybe I’m just recognizing that a God who is complicit in letting evils like racism happen in his “true church” either isn’t as good as you claim he is, the church has no real connection to God, or just that God flat out doesn’t exist. But let me guess, racism pervading the LDS faith is somehow part of God’s 10D Chess strategy to lead everyone to salvation right? Lol
@DavidNellTheHarbinger
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hesaysalot Or maybe your concept of what God should and shouldn't do is a skew, I'm thankful for a loving heavenly father that had a plan that allowed for us to make mistakes and not suffer immediate fiery retribution because of them.
@Hesaysalot
2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidNellTheHarbinger You can believe and keep proclaiming whatever you want, but that doesn’t change the fact your religion aided and to some degree still aides and gives credence to white supremacy, which allowed things like slavery and the Holocaust to happen, which are unequivocally evil. So anything that contributes to things like that happening is evil. Just saying lol
@winonadavies9201
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful insights and research. I really appreciate your work on this. I might add that as a student of American history, in the mid 1800's to mid 1900's, the LDS church would have come under even greater persecution and likely greater pressure than it did had blacks been given the priesthood. In Joseph Smith's America, had it also been made broadly aware that blacks were being given the priesthood, Joseph likely would have been accused of trying to get slaves to escape or rebel. Add that to the great challenge faced by the church over polygamy, and there would have been an even more volatile possibliity of accusation of the church allowing/encouraging blacks to be equal to whites, to marry white women, and the salicious rumors about the sexual practices of the church would have been even more vile, given the ugliness directed at black men, who were seen as predatory, violent sexual "animals" from the 1800's on through the 1960's. So, maybe not a revelation from God, but certainly it was likely that in some ways, it prevented even worse persecution than happened, and perhaps allowed the church to survive those early times. Just a thought.
@Dnell-tb1yd
5 ай бұрын
Some how it was easy to disavow polygamy in order for Utah to get statehood but, in a strange twist of fate the one true church with the restored priesthood was somehow behind in social progress?
@gwapohandsome5345
2 жыл бұрын
My new favourite channel
@tse93s
2 жыл бұрын
I’m so sick of the “products of their time” these are men that failed miserably to put off the natural man (who is an enemy to god) there is no justification for hatred among men who claim direct communication from god.. to dismiss the fact that a prophet said it was doctrine and not policy is not a simple mistake.. it’s blatantly obvious that it was a man who thought he spoke for god and bore false witness and taught and preached false doctrine.
@ГлебЕршов-щ6д
2 жыл бұрын
Love it a lot, even if in my country we hadn't that kind of concerns, some of our people still think of it. Love your words that God allows things happen, but His is not exactly excited about it.
@joshuaconnelly2415
2 жыл бұрын
This is an extraordinary presentation. It is apparent that you prayed, and Heavenly Father guided you.
@woodwarddlw
7 күн бұрын
Well done
@ADAMisSOawesome
2 жыл бұрын
I especially liked the editing on this video
@koryholding1491
Жыл бұрын
David. I love your channel and love your videos. So helpful. Thank you
@isaacr7416
4 ай бұрын
Wow the revelation document you recommended we read is absolutely incredible, even a sacred read. Thank you for sharing.
@matthewfarmer9500
2 жыл бұрын
14:20 On my mission I thought about the difference between inspiration and revelation. And also about the Song of Solomon being “not inspired writing,” even though we keep in the KJV of the Bible. I concluded the same ideas. I would go as far to say, I think it wasn’t even inspiration. It makes more sense to me that God was always ready for blacks to hold the priesthood, but we were not for a time. But having personal revelation is key to all of this. Without out it, anything said about God means nothing.
@scottb4509
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I've always tried to keep in mind was the nature of slavery in the country at the time when Young took over as prophet of the Church. Smith had just been murdered for His beliefs, which included the abolition of slavery, and the Government and slave owners had the Church and its' members in their crosshairs. slavery was a huge part of the culture and livelihoods of many in that day, and it could well be that Young presented Himself as being pro slavery or at least anti black assimilation and freedom as a way to appease the mobs and government, which had it out for the church because Smith was an abolitionist. perhaps the church simply kowtowed at first to the mobs, culture, and government on this matter, in order to save their own skin, and to prevent the extinction of the church, but that as time went on subsequent leaders didn't know that, and didn't want to undermine Young's position, as to make it appear as though the leadership of the church was united and therefore true prophets of God. we for sure know that the nation and culture was not ready of black assimilation into religious practices, most other religions at that time still had segregated congregations, if they even allowed blacks to join them in the first place. However, the church never separated blacks and whites in church meetings, only in the higher positions and callings and ordinances. and as pointed out in this video that really all began with Young, and not with Smith. another somewhat conspiracy theory on this topic, is that perhaps the churches kowtowing or inability to remain stalwart in the abolition beliefs, is what cause the Lord to allow the mobs to run the church out of Adam-ondi-Ahman in the first place. Smith prophesied that the saints would end up in the rocky mountains, and Young prophesied that the saints would one day return to Adam-ondi-Ahman, once the Lord had avenged the blood of the fallen saints in that area, and when the saints return there would not be so much as a yellow dog to wag its' tail. and the Lord did put the church under condemnation for not taking seriously the doctrines and teachings as revealed though Joseph. Perhaps Smith knew that the church had lost its' strong hold, and that the condemnation would result in a new path and that is why he prophesied that the saints would be driven west into the Rocky Mountains.
@jacobsamuelson3181
2 жыл бұрын
I think it was fair to say it was wrong to have a ban to begin with. It reminds me of the eye for an eye tradition that Jews had for such a long time. Christ taught a higher law but didnt rebuke the old law as a false tradition. He fulfilled what should have been practiced for centuries. We can say the world should have given blacks authority since the very beginning and that would be a world that probably wouldn't have killed their Savior. I think injustice is allowed to teach how slow and dumb some of the limitations existed that probably didnt need to exist. Progression is the ultimate indicator that we are stepping toward the right direction. The only goal now is to go through the door and shut it behind ourselves.
@TheShodan92
Жыл бұрын
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race?. If the white man who belongs to the CHOSEN SEED mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty under the law of God is DEATH ON THE SPOT. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE SO". - Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses vol.10. pg 110).
@robertscoville
2 жыл бұрын
At 18:58 the scripture in the Book of Mormon is Mormon 9:31 This is a very clarifying verse that helps us reckon with difficult issues that may test our faith regarding the leaders called by God to guide His church.
@scottbrandon6244
2 жыл бұрын
Part of the problem is that this issue was not resolved by the church. The 1978 proclamation was only part of the solution. Members still have many questions about this topic which have not been answered. Not discussing the past openly creates problems. Gospel Topics Essays only scratches the surface. The 2018 40th anniversary only celebrated the end of the ban. It is stories like this segment that are welcome additions to the discussion of the priesthood ban.
@masterdeja
2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the Church’s unwillingness to address those questions and admit that hundreds-of thousands (if not millions) of tithe-paying members of African descent were devalued, disenfranchised and defrauded call’s the morals and ethics of church leadership into question. Which then, logically, calls into question the Church’s legitimacy. The only thing, in my mind, that would address this is a full-throated global apology to every member of African descent as well as a funding commitment from the first presidency to build a diversity-and-inclusion sensitivity training program for all Church leaders with a calling above Pianist.
@scottbrandon6244
2 жыл бұрын
@@masterdeja Nice suggestion, but the church almost never apologizes for past mistakes. I think BYU was talking about diversity and inclusion training for staff and students last year. I don't know what happened with those plans.
@Vetionarian
Жыл бұрын
I've reconciled it as this way: The church can still have true doctrines and revelations, while egregiously "missing the mark" historically as Christ said when it comes to equality and personal biases. I am saddened it took church culture over 100 years to finally see the mistake, but for me, it's not worth throwing out the good fruit in my life from being in the church just because the tree is full of rotten fruit. We're all imperfect I just am so glad that racism is no longer an active part of church culture.
@eddiebruce4452
2 жыл бұрын
There was external pressure! The church would of lost its tax exemption status. Why have prophets and apostles who supposedly speak for God? The Book of Mormon is suppose to be the most correct book on earth and throughout history the leaders did not adhere to its teachings. That is why I’m no longer a member even though I grew up in the church. Study the history. Members will always stick up for the church.
@six1nyne
2 жыл бұрын
And exmos will huff and puff till they blow the house down. Find an identity outside of Mormonism bro. Fact of the matter is Joseph made sense of the senseless. His revelations and insights into the nature of God alone are earth shattering and easily defensible by what Christians call Gods breathed word. You made the mistake of thinking your identity was not tied to the truths youve learned from God himself. You use to get up and bear testimony and now all u do is bear false witness. Awful is your state. You cant drown out the Holy Ghost bro that shit will haunt you the rest of your life. Joseph was a big G str8 up the author and finisher of your faith. Wherefore can ye doubt?
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
Lost their tax-exempt status? No. That’s silly. Religions are granted tax-exempt status regardless. They just wouldn’t have been able to partner with the government to do humanitarian projects. But why not give the benefit of the doubt instead of accusing with a mote in your eye? The testimonies said by those who were there had an unforgettable spiritual experience. We have to remember that the Bride is getting ready for the Bridegroom. She is not ready yet. She being the Church.
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
That urban legend was put to rest over 20 years ago. There are still tax exempt religious organization today that forbid certain ethnic groups membership.
@lemjwp1756
2 жыл бұрын
The question logically becomes if the leaders were mistaken on race and priesthood, how do we know they're not mistaken on women and priesthood, lgbtq issues, tithing requirements, etc.
@chaseallen7499
2 жыл бұрын
Well as Joseph fielding smith said, if anything that he said contradicts revelation and scripture to throw it out. The question then is: do those things contradict revelation?
@lemjwp1756
2 жыл бұрын
Good point. Although scripture like Moses 7:8 and Abraham 1:26 were considered as support for the ban.
@KnuttyEntertainment
2 жыл бұрын
The difference is that those scriptures don’t say that God declared that no African can hold the priesthood neither then nor in the future. It’s a description of what happened, but not why or how, or even if it’s what should have happened. There’s far more scriptural justification for denying the priesthood to the descendants of the Lamanites, but no similar ban was ever placed on the Indians. Contrarily, non-traditional sex is clearly denounced in the Bible. The laws of tithing and consecration are clearly laid out in the Doctrine and Covenants, same goes for rules on who is to receive priesthood ordination.
@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
2 жыл бұрын
@@KnuttyEntertainment I love your comments.
@jlcl96
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent point. I think they are mistaken on some of those issues. The scriptural basis for their positions are not nearly as strong as they appear on the outset. The question then becomes “What does it mean to sustain a prophet?” I think we can sustain by praying for them to seek further light and knowledge from the Lord. We can sustain by pointing out what Christ taught and what principles are being violated by those teachings. And we can recognize the difference between general authority and personal revelation. It is deeply uncomfortable when they do not line up neatly, but I think wrestling with the Lord is always worth it.
@Mcmj-ot4dt
2 жыл бұрын
Well done.
@runehawkins
2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@jamesmorphe8003
2 жыл бұрын
and the threats from the IRS, was just a coincidence i presume. What actually kicked this whole thing off was when a black boyscout who was suppose to be a scout leader was passed over cause he didnt have a ny priesthood. his parents sued, the IRS threatened, than wala, The revelation came down.
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
There were no threats from the IRS, that is just an urban legend. FAIR filed freedom of information requests and examined documents in the Jimmy Carter library. No record indicates anyone in the IRS or Carter administration cared. And if they did, why would they not go after groups like the KKK, which are still non-profit even today?
@jamesmorphe8003
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettmajeske3525 i was there. i had a son in scouts. a black scout was supposed to be elevated and wasnt because he was black. its possible the IRS, hadnt acted yet, but there was much public scrutiny into church practices and the justice dept was definetly looking into the matter.
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmorphe8003 I am not claiming that racism does not exist. I am sorry about what you experienced. The rumor about the Justice Department or IRS investigating the Church is just not true. Both are required by law to answer freedom of information requests. Nether the IRS nor Justice had open investigations in 1978. The closest was an investigation into BYU in 1968, but that was resolved in BYU's favor within a year. Just for information purposes the first African-American student at BYU joined in the 1930s. By 1970 there were African-American faculty. Those who had reported BYU were not aware of that fact. In the 1970s the Church did not have a policy preventing Scouts from advancing. That doesn't mean that individuals did not justify their own racism. In 1978 I was a Church sponsored Cub Scout pack. One of the adults leaders was African-American, and her children were involved in Scouting. There were not only African-American Primary, Relief Society, and Sunday School teachers, but Presidents. There were still Wards who would not extend any callings, but such was not the policy of the Church as defined by the Handbook.
@brettmajeske3525
Жыл бұрын
@@andreatimmers1720 I am sorry, I do not understand your comment.
@benv7933
2 жыл бұрын
SOOOO good. Thank you.
@chouseification
Жыл бұрын
Nice video... I'm not LDS myself, however I lived in IL for a while as a kid and we had our Cub Scout Pack meetings at the local temple. We had some LDS neighbors, so I've always tried to know a lot about your faith for a "gentile" (not sure if you still use that nickname, but The Great Brain series sizzled it into my mind forever as a thing). This video did a great job of explaining why the stance (no black priesthoods) was made, and why it evolved over time.
@PapaKryptoss
2 жыл бұрын
In my youth i was taught the blacks denied Jesus preisthood. How wrong I was
@theincrediblerodofiron304
Жыл бұрын
Welld done, David!
@LovesTrains440
2 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering about this and other related topics myself, because of so many people I know leaving the church. Alot has to do with basing their testimonies on their leaders and not the Gospel itself. There are many policies even today that don't align with the scriptures or other hard truths, but this is not a reason to abandon the Savior and his saving ordinances that are only done in authority in His church. 17:40 I also personally believe this is the way the Lord would preserve his church should a leader fall.
@kelloggscuts1820
2 жыл бұрын
Hey David, thank you for this video, everything is explained very well, helps me feel a little better about it and I’ll share it with those who have those questions 🙏🏻
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
Watch Marvin Perkins “race and the priesthood”. It answers even more questions. 🙏🏽
@tommarcusen7448
10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I thought this was an excellent presentation on this subject that has troubled me for 50 years. I can't wait to watch the full story revealed in the next life. Biggest bowl of popcorn in heaven. Lots of incedents and accounts to watch original footage of (i hope) :) I really want to see the Red Sea part and many things. This policy and its whole story is another one of many I hope to learn about.
@briannicholls2628
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this well presented piece of the dark side of our past.
@michaelscribner6299
6 ай бұрын
That was wonderful
@Smelltheflowers1413
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful content! Love your channel! ☀️💕
@jcal6022
2 жыл бұрын
Its odd I taught this subject to my Valiant 9 Class last year. As a Covid Convert of European Stock. I wrestle with alot of questions like this, in a healthy manner but for me it all goes back too Temples, we cannot know of the paths that were avoided. And the deep history of this topic in addition to the Strong testimony of those whos families this policy affected. There is in todays Narrative certain realities & Narratives I will accept that would exclude me from the Temple that are not Temple Recomend questions at this time, and all signs point to that not ever being the case, but even so if they were Amen if Im not welcome in the Temple, the Ordinances can continue in Full for those who have died. Thats the most important element of this dispensation, and its not about my Feelings. Im acknowledging this is a vastly different topic then Africans and The Priesthood, but its the closest I can come to what it feels like to have a Testimony, be judged by others, and though not excluded wrestling with the implication of such things, and where I fit into the Larger picture in this time.
@joncharlotteschoen
Жыл бұрын
I am completely confused to what you are trying to say. Are you not a native English speaker? If so, maybe that's my confusion. If you are, I'm complety lost as to your meaning.
@jcal6022
Жыл бұрын
@@joncharlotteschoen I am an English Speaking American and funny story...I was at a Family Reunion this weekend and this Man who married into the Family he and I got to talking and I asked him if he believes in Jesus and then he says...I knew this would eventually come up...and he proceeds to tell me hes an ex Latterday Saint and because of His Ancestry, this particular issue has really been a sore spot for him. And I've come to the point where I just dont think there are coincidences.
@TBIhope
2 жыл бұрын
Wow I love this so much. I think it’s so meaningful that the principles of God are so consistent. It seems as though God was waiting for the leaders to “study [the question] out in their minds,” as He directs us to do, as well. In my experience, He doesn’t just tell us right off the bat whether we should marry Jill or Julie or Jim or Joe. We have to use our intellect and come to a decision ourselves, then pray and ask if that’s the right decision. I’ve personally experienced this. I’ve never had any doubt in my faith in God. But a few years ago, I felt like my life wasn’t progressing as it should be, and I wasn’t as connected with God as I once was. So I started looking into other churches. I quickly realized that Judaism and Islam was not for me, because Jesus Christ was more than just a mere prophet. While Catholicism has many truths and I know some amazing Catholics, some supposed declarations from God were less than appealing. Protestantism had an opposite problem-there was no church-wide revelation, and I didn’t believe that God would permanently stop communication to a central authority and leave everything open to interpretation, especially as life has become increasingly complex. Finally I decided that maybe I’d known all along, and so I prayed for an answer: is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints the true church? Since that day, I feel like God’s been showing me that yes, this church is true. You have to study it out in your minds, then pray and ask what’s true!
@Cyrusmagi
2 жыл бұрын
Abby C don't you think or consider that other sincere people of other faiths come to the same conclusion as you have. Many find some of the latter day saint declarations from God not appealing. One such man was Oliver Cowdrey the first ever latter day saint to be baptised who did not appreciate what Joe Smith was doing with fanny Alger
@TBIhope
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cyrusmagi we all just have to do what we feel is best.
@asevis1425
2 жыл бұрын
I'm actually from Islam, looking into Mormonism, but I just can't believe Jesus to be anything more than a prophet. I guess we have opposite understandings lol.
@TBIhope
2 жыл бұрын
@@asevis1425 how? He claimed He was the Son of God, so the way I see it, He’s either a lunatic or the real deal. I’ve never understood that. Can you teach me?
@asevis1425
2 жыл бұрын
@@TBIhope I'm sure if you looked at Judaism, since Jesus himself was Jewish, and the way they spoke, you'd understand Jesus wasn't the only son of God. Many other prophets were given the same title. It's only meant as a title of honour, not to be taken literally. Same for the word lord.
@bg-id1uo
2 жыл бұрын
Great channel and video !! Thnx for sharing ! Also, Was wondering what is Kwaku doing now ,former host on your show here ?
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
He left years ago and is now with the Midnight Mormons channel.
@bg-id1uo
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettmajeske3525 thank you for the update ! Well appreciated !
@jamesivie5717
Жыл бұрын
I like your presentation. Your very commentary is very astute, I wish there was more information about this in Joseph Smith's day. The Latter-Days Saints were against slavery and they were surrounded by Missourians who were slave state supporters and slave holders. I've always under the impression that the ban was put in place temporarily to avoid conflict with the Missourians. These were the same border ruffians that were murdering free state people in "Bleeding Kansas".
@damonm8916
Ай бұрын
Another honest and thoroughly researched presentation. Sadly, it's a real concern and incredibly negative issue initiated by Brigham Young and subsequently perpetuated by church leaders (who fought amongst themselves for decades, btw) until far later than it should have been. What does it mean about leaders and how does it impact the claim by Wilford Woodruff that (paraphrase) if any prophet were to lead ppl astray (in doctrine) the Lord would remove said prophet. Time to be honest about this. So, again, I genuinely appreciate the honest and well researched presentation.
@dukeofsahib4967
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe instead of asking why weren't blacks in the south allowed to ride in the front of the bus until the 1960s maybe the real question we should be asking is why did everybody else have to wait until buses were invented in the 1890s to ride the bus at all? -Brad Wilcox probably
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
I do not think Brad's opinions are shared by the crew at Saints Unscripted.
@dukeofsahib4967
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettmajeske3525 maybe but he still is an influential Mormon and byu professor who said some of the most idiotic things concerning the ban that I’ve heard in a while. Also it’s funny to watch Mormons and the lds church go into damage control over the whole issue.
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
@@dukeofsahib4967 I disagree with much of what he said. Even the stuff I do agree with I think were presented with a condescending attitude. But he was still just offering his own opinions because that is not how current teaching materials present that information.
@six1nyne
2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@agomodern
Жыл бұрын
@@dukeofsahib4967 Damage control is a huge issue, not just within the church. Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger is a pretty big one too. Everyone is trying to cover up their eugenics agenda.
@felixdacat6572
8 ай бұрын
Thank You, Thank You Thank You...I was approached earlier today 2/6/24 by 2 members of the LDS community in Spanish Harlem who I guess were recruiting and or "Inviting" folks to their services either at the 86thstreet church or the 128th street church in Harlem...Needless to say that they looked way out of place and stood out like a bright canlle in a pitch black room, but as usual they were pleseant and respectful as is their usual demeanor....I listened to their "pitch" and respectfully declined...but I was left with an agonizing thought that they were white and that I wondered why there weren't more people of color in the LDS community....I think you have gone above and beyond in breaking down the origins and possible basis for this and have dispelled any prejudices and suspicions/myths I may have developed on my own....I found your take on it fair, well researched and balanced...I will not be running to the LDS doors seeking adnitance, however it was refershing to hear your point of view and instead of the polished and often rehearsed razzel dazzell soliloquy of those 2 young men....Much appreciated.
@stephaniesudekum7871
Жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Many well thought out points! I love that we can look back and see the Lord’s hand making good from our human mistakes. I’ve thought that this could have been a protection for our black brothers during times of civil rights issues in the states. Can you imagine if black men had knocked on the door of a white family and told them they needed to repent?! I’m really happy that this has been changed for the better!
@ronaldmoody4766
8 ай бұрын
Extremely well done. It is still hard to understand how God allowed this practice to continue for so long, but perhaps this just indicates how stubborn we humans can be.
@trappsavage502
Жыл бұрын
You're such a genius...
@craiglaw7578
Жыл бұрын
It’s called racism! When I was on my mission, (Detroit 1971), during a zone conference, our mission president read us a letter from the first presidency. The letter instructed us to cease teaching Black people the gospel. It went on to tell us that if we tract into a black person or family to leave a spiritual thought or scripture and then don’t go back. It finished with, if you’re currently teaching a black person or family to continue only if THEY MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU. Do Not Make a new appointment with them…I mentioned to my companion, “…well, so much for taking the gospel to the whole world. To me, that’s straight up racism. You can spin it any way you want… Hmmm, a few years later Black members were allowed to receive the priesthood. Something is all messed up!
@aizenosaimafidon1119
6 ай бұрын
Oh wow
@CarlosRomero-pl9tk
2 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT!!!!
@paysonstudios
Жыл бұрын
Wow! Mental Gymnastics at the Olympic level. Now make a video about Russell M. Nelson's "Plane's on Fire" story.
@leem3299
2 жыл бұрын
Falability does not give us license to look down on leaders - true. But it also makes it clear that looking up to them is also a mistake. But don't the current church leaders (and anyone with power quite frankly) expect us to look up to them as if they are superior?
@Sam-tu4hp
2 жыл бұрын
The leaders teach that even thinking of leaders flaws and mistakes is a sin… it’s very problematic doctrine
@ineedoff1
2 жыл бұрын
No
@leem3299
2 жыл бұрын
@@ineedoff1 Are you saying top church leaders don't expect members to see them as superior?
@yogurtking9540
2 жыл бұрын
How can someone watch this with an open mind and still feel confidence that the current leadership of the church is leading the church correctly. It’s seem obvious to me that these men have no more connection to God (and probably less) than the average person.
@shelleyscoll6427
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the factual nature in which this video was presented. I would like to ask that you please not ask or encourage people to ask African-American/Black members of the Church about their feelings or thoughts on this topic. As a Black member of this church, the way you are treated by so many members as “other” is already so present and constant. To have to take on the emotional burden and work for white members (or other non-BIPOC members) is unfair and unnecessary. There are many articles that have been written by black members on this topic and the work to find, read, and ponder on those thoughts can be done and should be done by those seeking that information.
@algregory5161
2 жыл бұрын
This request makes complete sense to me. I deeply respect and admire black members of the church. To be a black member of the church (considering the ban [and all the confusion surrounding it] discussed here) is almost inviting hardship on top of hardship. To take that challenge on because of a spiritual testimony, I think is as noble and admirable as it gets!
@hannahevans2723
2 жыл бұрын
I can appreciate your concern to be sensitive to Black members of the church, but I watched this back after reading your comment and he specifically said to seek out those resources and talk to Black Latter-day Saints friends and family. He didn’t say go talk to a random person in Sunday school. I can understand that would be burdensome and annoying. I see this “do your own work” request repeated on about every race related topic I come across. I would hope anyone who has Black friends and family members have done a lot of work on their own to better understand racial issues. Those reading your comment at the very least have sought out and watched a 20 mins video on this issue. They’re doing the work. This call out tends to make white people walk on eggshells around black people. It doesn’t encourage them to become better educated. If you don’t want to talk about it, just say so. If you feel so inclined, point them in the right direction.
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
Marvin Perkins is one people should take a look at. His solid stuff shows deeper evidence that the Book of Mormon uses Hebraic elements, which is further evidence of its authenticity being from God.
@supervegeta1833
2 жыл бұрын
I came across a really good question about this subject when I was reading Jeremy Runnel's response to Jim Bennett's CES Letter reply. He framed his question something like this. When Joseph was refusing to practice polygamy as well as introduce the practice to other apostles, God eventually sent an angel with a drawn sword to immensely pressure Joseph to implement polygamy. Why is it that God was willing to intervene and ensure polygamy was introduced to the church but then just stood by and allowed the race restrictions to be implemented and last for over a century?
@elipayne5343
2 жыл бұрын
The difference between the priesthood ban and polygamy was that the opportunity for blacks to obtain the priesthood were and are open to them even after death, making the mistake very much fixable meaning that God could give us time to fix our mistake. Polygamy on the other hand had to happen at a specific time in which there was no room for error. If polygamy wasn’t implemented to make the church stronger in numbers and faith at the time that it was, then, at the time, newer U.S. laws would’ve have made it impossible for polygamy to take place. This channel has some great videos on the topic of polygamy and why it took place. I hope that whole thing isn’t too confusing and I hope that answers your question.
@supervegeta1833
2 жыл бұрын
@@elipayne5343 I think that's a good answer, thanks!
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
While a commonly believed story, there is no actual evidence that Joseph believed he had been visited by an Angel with a drwn sword. The first account claiming the angel had a drwn sword was made about 20 years after the Prophet's death. The earlier accounts only mention he was visited three times. The sword. sometimes drawn, sometimes burning, could very likely be subconscious embellishments in later memories during a time of intense ridicule.
@supervegeta1833
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettmajeske3525 Fair enough
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
I personally feel that Brigham Young may have had to do this to protect the church at the time from the racist secret combinations in our governments and mobs that may have risen up against the Church at the time. The Lord has asked the prophets to do things that didn’t make sense at times. It is always for a purpose. Abrahamic tests.
@eriknielsen1231
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. Although I am white, it is still a really important subject to me. I hope that we can treat everyone with love and respect, no matter what are ancestors or history may say. Keep making these excellent videos!
@behunin1963
2 ай бұрын
We live in a mortal world. All make mistakes. We have been commanded to forgive all and move forward.
@kevinpeterson6468
2 жыл бұрын
So if the apostles had just decided to lift the ban and pray about the decision made it would have been done a lot sooner. This teaches me that we shouldn’t always just wait on God. Sometimes we must make the decision ourselves and pray about it then the answer will come. To me it feels like god was saying “why didn’t you just make this decision yourself? You don’t need me to always tell you what to do. Did I not tel, you that he who is commanded in all things the same is a slothful and not a wise servant?”
@democraticpatriot2657
2 жыл бұрын
Somehow, reversal of the ban was contrived in such a way as to avoid the need to apologize for a terrible policy. But of course the church does not apologize and never has.
@rachelczumaya2806
2 жыл бұрын
We came to a cliff with Heavenly Father. We looked down and He said, “The only way forward is to fall. You will parachute down this cliff and we will give you further instructions.” 1/3 of His children said “Heck no, I am not doing that. It is too scary and I don’t want to get hurt. I’d rather stay here and die.” As we went forward and down, we got hurt. And then there is a LONG journey up to the top of the next cliff where the City of Zion is. At the bottom of the cliff where we fell and got hurt, we met Jesus. He is our guide and shows us the places to climb up to reach the top of the next cliff where the City of Zion (Celestial Kingdom is). We have to follow each step of the way, exactly as the Savior tells us to reach it. It is a hard climb and sometimes our arms cannot take it or hold on. We are weak. We slip, we fall. But Jesus is right there helping us if we reach to Him. Some fell forward only to decide just as the 1/3 who didn’t fall forward down the cliff to just stay here at the bottom and perish. But to those who see the climb and don’t stop, they can choose to keep going and have the faith to overcome this mountain we had to climb to progress on our journey. Eve was the first one to make the choice, though she was beguiled into it. Satan told her that God didn’t love her and did not want her to know what He knew. So she went forth to obtain knowledge, even knowing the consequences that lay ahead. Adam had to fall to save Eve, for only through their seed would be born a Savior to fix it. We learned about love through what we suffer here. And we learn about diligence and perseverance by what we suffer here too. All of these lessons is the way forward, progressing us into the cliff that is before the city of Zion, the Celestial kingdom. We have it in our grasp if we obey and follow, even if it takes a while to get it right. ❤️🙏🏽🌷 Many of the Saints have apologized, even if the Church did not. There is much information coming about and being gathered and the apology will come. At the right time.
@xxxgabaxxx
8 ай бұрын
Never my friend. They are always right. Easy brain washing technique
@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you David. We are all falliable. Scripture is fallible, prophets are fallible and everyone is fallible. But there is still truth in scripture, science, prophets and the thoughts of man. We do not have all the answers in this life but we are here to walk by faith, follow the example of Jesus Christ and search for truth.
@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
2 жыл бұрын
@@getharryonsax So is the Bible infallible then? And if no, who has the infallible interpretation of it?
@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
2 жыл бұрын
@@getharryonsax I really have no idea what you are saying. Are you saying the prophets in the Bible are infallible?
@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
2 жыл бұрын
@@getharryonsax should we not read the Bible because of the mistakes the Biblical prophets made?
@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
2 жыл бұрын
@@getharryonsax ok. Fair enough. I am forcusing on the prophet and apostles of today. They seem pretty Christlike to me. More so than other preachers out there (like John MacArthur who appears very sarcastc, hateful, arrogant). When I listen to General Conference today, I feel the love, compassion and humility of those speaking. Just sharing my opinion. Perhaps others think differently.
@brettmajeske3525
2 жыл бұрын
@@getharryonsax That is not the requirement. Sustaining does not require agreement with their opinions. You are misrepresenting the Temple Recommend questions.
@joncharlotteschoen
Жыл бұрын
I've never been able to find an answer to this question.... Was the ban against "all" non white men? Hispanic, Asian, etc? And what about temple recommends for, say, woman who were asian, black, etc? Or was the ban exclusively against black men? And is there any truth to "we opened up the priesthood because we wanted to built temples in South America" and "there was governmental/societal pressure" at that time? I was only 7 in 1978 and not yet a member.
@brettmajeske3525
Жыл бұрын
The restriction was only for those of black African heritage. South Pacific Islanders, Indians (from India), Native Americans, Asians, and all other people of color were given the Priesthood, even if their skin was darker than most African-Americans.
@joncharlotteschoen
Жыл бұрын
@@brettmajeske3525 Hmm, well that really makes no sense. Dang.
@brettmajeske3525
Жыл бұрын
@@joncharlotteschoen The restriction was never about skin color, but a misunderstanding of the concept of race and ancestry. Like most Americans of his time, Brigham Young thought that black Africans were the descendants of Ham, whose wife was a descendant of Cain. So in his mind and of the LDS leaders of the 19th century the restriction was about the curse of Cain/Ham, not actual skin color. A common expression, falsely attributed to Brigham Young, was that no one with one drop of African blood should hold the priesthood, no matter how fair their skin. Such was the systematic racism of the day. 20th century leaders who did not believe that Ham was the father of all Africans had to come up with different justifications, but it was always centered on ancestry not skin pigment.
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