Wow! We had this same type of GM Old look and the small version in Cuba! They arrived in Cuba in the 1950's and were already in use in USA. Excellent air suspension, they were automatic and super comfortable! They have the same number of Windows with one small window before and after the rear door! 23:39 gf Applause for GM designers!!! I remember one in particular with the number 1442 that went from Havana to Guanabo!❤️❤️❤️❤️👋👋👋👋👋
@dwaynejones9690
3 жыл бұрын
These was some.very strong buses I love riding and driving them back in the days I still drive buses now and it's Is a lot different in buses now
@HomelessGs
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1965 TDH3501. 65 66 67 WERE A DIFFERENT THAN ALL OF THE OTHER OLD LOOKS. THEY HAD T DRIVE SET UP TORO FLOW DIESEL ALLISON AUTO.
@Tchristman100
Жыл бұрын
This was a GM Toro-Flo Diesel engine. About 170hp with a three speed Allison Hydramatic transmission. These engines were not a gasoline conversion-were made as a Diesel engine. The only draw back-the heads should be re-torqued every 6 months of use.
@vintagesupermarkets5210
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I also never knew GM were still building Old Looks in 1967. Any idea when the last Old Look was built?
@tombarroso1130
2 жыл бұрын
The last old look was built in 1969, but very few special orders were made from 1959- 1969. The new look bus debuted in1959. The old look bus was introduced by Yellow Coach in 1940 as model TG-3201. Yellow Coach was fully acquired by GM in1943.
@Qrail
3 жыл бұрын
This has a toro-flo engine. Not the most reliable Diesel engine built. Also will have to get rid of the split rims when you upgrade the tires. I would only guess $3500 unless you can confirm written engine and transmission repairs. The pattern on the ceiling is called snowflake. A common style in fishbowls. Look up the baby fishbowls which came later. I have a photo of TGH 3301 001 ex Nevada Transit. The old look shorties 3501, 3502 were built until 1969.
@crushingvanessa3277
3 жыл бұрын
Noticed the six nut wheels, usually see those on gas jobs. No idea what the navy scheme would look like.
@kjchicago1
2 жыл бұрын
I know that the Chicago Transit Authority(CTA)South Suburban Safeway Lines and Suburban Transit System of Illinois all had GM Old-Looks and this fine GM Old-Look bus has bells and whistles and has a push button start and a great Detroit Diesel engine
@ronechols
3 жыл бұрын
The blue Navy color paint in the driver’s compartment is most likely the original color. I believe the military had more of these buses than you might think. So, interesting...but not rare. Great vid. Much enjoyed!
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks!
@georgeosborne6878
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and enjoyable for me her in the UK
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad my video found you on the other side of the pond. I've always found the English to be passionate about preservation and restoration so I hope you enjoy my efforts.
@trainrover
5 ай бұрын
loving your enthusiasm, Unit2345 .. wishing you & your loved ones best wishes & good health 🍷
@timlettbus
3 жыл бұрын
The engine in these buses was a GM478 Diesel. The engine cooling was on the right side with a squirrel cage fan. That is the big fan in the right. The engines were light duty and did not do very well. The TDH 3501 was an old look bus that was built as a low cost model for smaller transit systems. They were built from 1964-1967. The TDH 3502 succeeded this model in 1968. It was also an old look. The TDH 3301/3303 was a 30foot new look bus built from 1969-1972.
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome info!! Thanks for sharing.
@timlettbus
3 жыл бұрын
@@Unit2345 My pleasure. If you have any other questions about any model GMC bus don’t hesitate to reach out to me. I have been around them for over 60 years. If you want my email address provide me with your contact information and K will respond.
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for info
@smacdiesel
3 жыл бұрын
What a neat channel!
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@eldoradony
3 жыл бұрын
This bus brings up a few questions. That engine didn't look like a Detroit 6-71 or even a 4-71. The choke button? I thought the other diesel, the Toro was a V engine and this didn't look like a V. Could this have been a gas model? The engine was longitudally mounted like a Scenic cruiser. Was this the way Old looks were built in the end of the run? Electrical switch for the doors? I would love to have some answers now that the discussion has begun.
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
My first thought looking at the engine was it was a gas powered bus. A choke would make sense. It raises some questions for sure!
@charlesseaton6199
3 жыл бұрын
@@Unit2345 TDH Transit Diesel Hydraulic, but probably a Toro flow engine. Definitely not a 4-71. These were cheap GM knockoffs of a design GM stopped building in 1961.
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard of the Toro Flow engine. It looks a bit smaller than the Detroit Diesel so perhaps a smaller displacement? Any idea why there would be a choke?
@eldoradony
3 жыл бұрын
I did a bit of research and it is a Toro Flow Diesel engine. I couldn't find any other information on why GM used this configuration.
@dalemettee1147
3 жыл бұрын
I did notice the headlights are four instead of two. Kind'a changes the whole front end look.
@dp.oennismaurer205
3 жыл бұрын
These little buses had 4-53s then G.M. came out w/ the Toro- Flow's more commonly known as' Terrible- Flows' because of the Bosch injection system.They were not good performer engines.The Toro- Flow was based on the GMC V-6 gas block, to be made also as a diesel. The V-6 four cycle was also built as a twin-six V-12 gas engine for the GMC city c.o.e.'s made in- to fire trucks. There was also a bigger V-8 version used in Chevy Heavies called the Turbium.
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thanks for the information.
@cats0182
2 жыл бұрын
Did not know there was anything to "choke" on a diesel engine.
@craigjasper2502
6 ай бұрын
I have one. If it come up for sale, let me know. Thanks.
@jonandrew52
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't buy any bus with a GM Toroflow Diesel. I understand they are the most unreliable of all the GM diesels. The 3501 was a new model built as a reduced price bus for smaller companies past the end of the GM New Looks. It was also available with roof end mounted air conditioning. It also featured new dual headlights. But the passenger windows returned to their single sash original type like the early 1940's style GM old Looks. The rear end was lengthened to accomodate the engine which was newley repositioned lengthwise.
@mondonproductions4088
Жыл бұрын
is there a way to contact you? Howie
@Unit2345
Жыл бұрын
If you're looking for my contact info it's listed on my channel page.
@mercuryblues226
3 жыл бұрын
if you can't tell the difference between a diesel and a gas engine you have no business valuing anything total bs!
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Even if it was gas it wouldn't have affected how much I would pay. The builder plate says it's a diesel but I've never seen a configuration like that. Remember, I'm not valuing the bus, I'm giving my opinion of how much I would pay if I was a buyer.
@charlesseaton6199
3 жыл бұрын
He said it was a diesel.
@charlesseaton6199
3 жыл бұрын
They aren't building any more of these, so there is a value. However, someone looking a for a real Old Look GM bus would be tempted tp pay more money for yours that a Toro-Flow. I have had two 40-foot old looks and they were great buses. I would never consider one of these. Your 4512 is a diamond in the rough and when complete will be a much better coach. Currently, I am sitting on an SDM 53ow, COVID having slowed the restoration process. Good luck with you buses.
@Unit2345
3 жыл бұрын
Covid definitely put brakes on my efforts. Here's to us getting back at it once this clears!
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