I'm seeing people are confused about the aversion to OoT, Majora's Mask, and ALttP. For clarification, here it is again: those games are not very approachable for people that don't have prior history with the Zelda series, since their puzzle design is difficult or impossible to understand if you don't have a history with these kinds of older games. If a Zelda noob has to spend half their playthrough looking up guides due to puzzles, that's going to be a bad experience that could turn them off from the rest of the series. I'm not saying that those older games shouldn't be played, just that they probably shouldn't be a Zelda noob's first game, because they could ruin the series for the noob by being convoluted and archaic. Also, it wasn't accurate of me to use BotW / TotK's commercial success as proof of their quality. A bunch of you pointed this out, and that was certainly an oversight of mine. My bad. However, I still think the new games are a valid jumping in point for those who enjoy open-world games.
@f.b.l.3761
9 ай бұрын
As many people have put it, I believe that starting with modern games will more or less make the older games lose their magic. I believe the absolute best Zelda game to start with is OoT. It serves as a fundamental pillar to the rest of the franchise, mechanically and thematically. But I agree with your point, some people may not be that familiar with older games in general (especially with N64 era games) and may find some difficulties considering how we're spoiled with the many quality of life features of modern games. With that said, putting the effort and spending some time with the game will make anyone quickly get used to the game feel and it's absolutely rewarding in the end. Ocarina of Time is a timeless classic for a reason and experiencing it blind and first hand is simply magical, and it will definitely make your enjoyment of the latter games exponentially better. One last advice that may apply to any other game really, many people have this sense of urgency when playing games and want to quickly finish it so that they can play what comes next, I believe it is best to think of them as experiences rather than checklists, for anyone who's reading this just take your time with the game and appreciate its subtleties, maybe do another playthrough or two, what matters in the end are the fond memories and the time you spend with the game that you will look back to years later, and if you're worried about getting burned out just take a break for a couple of weeks or maybe try other games and go back and play the next game fresh and ready, there's no need to rush!
@ophereon
9 ай бұрын
For me, Wind Waker HD is the one that I think hits the sweet spot as a good entry point into the series, and it's what I usually recommend. It's aged a bit better than OoT, and it still has a solid classic Zelda story, with oodles of campy Zelda charm everywhere you look. Twilight Princess, while also a great game, feels a bit less classic due to how heavy the twilight plot is, and Hyrule generally feels like a much more oppressive place, which is still a fantastic experience, but less so for a first entry. Wind Waker, meanwhile, sticks to many of the staple thematic tropes of the series for its story, like the goddesses, the sages, and the Triforce, which I think makes it a great way to get acquainted with the series' lore. I do wish Wind Waker HD would come to the Switch to make it a bit more accessible and easy to recommend, however.
@Jociaoftrades
9 ай бұрын
Zelda 2 should be everyone’s start to the franchise and if you can’t play then go back to COd…. Kidding don’t play Zelda 2 unless you become a Zelda freak after your first game. My first Zelda game, which wasn’t mentioned here is, Link’s Awakening… DX. I played it on the Gameboy color and it was truly wonderful. And honestly it really should be everyone’s first Zelda game as now it has a Switch remake, so it’ll be easy on the eyes. And two it is basically a traditional Zelda game that teaches you how most Zelda games will be later. I did dabble in Ocarina for a bit, but was too young to understand it, so my first console version was Twilight Princess, which is the version I want my fiancée to start the series with when it comes out on the Switch. For her I think she’ll love the darker aesthetics. She also loves Okami so I would assume she would love TP.
@iamsheel
9 ай бұрын
A link to the past is the best start
@the_geek_within
9 ай бұрын
Wind Waker for me... tried the ones on N64 before and they were too hard for me as a kid. Then came Wind Waker on GameCube... and ooohhh boooyy I loved that one! The graphics, the cuteness, the overall gameplay. 10/10 for me.
@erikn.9180
9 ай бұрын
twilight princess was my first zelda game and id say tp is a really good start, its def easy and it captures exactly what zelda is, like aonuma said the to one of the creators when doing it: "it has to be 120% zelda". Def not sure if thats true I saw it in anohter vid but that summs it up pretty good imo, but i think its also cool having played other zelda games before so you know sum lore and recognize stuff from oot. Also there arent that many sidequests so you wont miss as much but youll be prepared for other zelda games
@RetroGoosen-ux8ty
9 ай бұрын
I actually had to walk away from majoras mask as a kid and beat it as a teenager. I hate to admit it but he’s right those old games are not a good starting point.
@dablindscooter1973
9 ай бұрын
botw/totk sold better cuz the switch is more appealing not cuz they are better, every franchise is selling better on switch
@erikn.9180
9 ай бұрын
true that, the reason skyward sword sold so bad was cause of the motion controls on the wii, on the switch it was received pretty good
@deifiedtitan
9 ай бұрын
@@erikn.9180The controls really killed Skyward Sword. The Wii’s install base was absolutely massive, but you were competing with backwards compatible Windwaker, GC or Wii edition Twilight Kingdom, and VC OOT/MM. Making your game a pain in the ass when you had all those other options was just a nonstarter.
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
you are right, my apologies, that was not a valid point in my argument. I still think BotW / TotK is a good jumping in point for certain kinds of gamers, though.
@RetroGoosen-ux8ty
9 ай бұрын
The population is also growing so there’s gonna be more and more people buying things every year.
@ThirstBuster
9 ай бұрын
Claims people who started with Alttp and OoT only pick those because it's what they started with. Proceeds to recommend the "most commercially successful Zelda" and the one he started with Yes you pick the one most appealing to you. By should you start with Alttp? Because it's followed by it's sequel a link between worlds. One of the best modern Zelda games ever made. And also has it's side story links awakening which has a beautifly crafted remake. But at the end of the day any choice that helps you enjoy the games for what they are is the correct choice. Not the most commercially friendly or hand holdy game.
@peskybird7627
9 ай бұрын
I agree
@deifiedtitan
9 ай бұрын
Solid vid overall but your statement of BotW and TotK being “much better commercial successes for a reason, and that’s reason is because more people like them” is wildly misleading. The Switch sold 132m units and has been around for nearly 7 years, with BotW selling 31m copies as a release title. The N64 sold 33m units and lasted 5 years, with OOT selling 7m copies with only 3 years of system lifecycle. 23% of Switch owners have BotW. 21% of N64 owners had OOT. They’re both incredibly comparable in their respective markets but BotW has a much bigger market, so saying “more people like it” is not a fair comparison without context, especially with how important OOT was. I’m fine with “OOT has aged” or “OOT is more ‘important’ than it is ‘fun’ compared to today’s design”, but “BOTW sold more because more people like it” is just woefully catastrophic reasoning. You do yourself a disservice!
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
that was a bit harsh but thank you for the honest criticizm
@zachroz9588
9 ай бұрын
I loved “Seasons.” Probably the best OG game.
@dylanmoon780
9 ай бұрын
I don’t personally care what game anyone starts with. Mechanically and stylistically there’s a lot of variety, which is so cool. I think Skyward Sword is the only one I would say is a bad choice (even the HD controls are tedious). However, Ocarina of Time really is the foundation for all the games made after it. You’re going to enjoy the other games more if you finish OOT. It is relevant and referenced in every 3D game. Exiting the cave and seeing the Temple of Time in Breath of the Wild, for example, took my breath away only because it took me back almost 20 years to when I first played OOT. Think of the Master Sword chamber in Wind Waker and the stained glass sages there or the branching stories of Ganondorf in WW and Twilight Princess. Ocarina of Time is the context of every game that comes after. Every other game is like a sequel to OOT. As far as its difficulty, I mean, I was 11 when I played and beat it and never used a guide… The remake on the 3DS makes it a little easier on the eyes, but the music and story are far more important than graphics. I’ve played and completed every Zelda game. Given your three categories, I’d say if you want a “classic game” go with Ocarina if Time for the best experience of the franchise going forward. If you can’t handle OOT, either TP or WW, although you will be lost and miss out on some good references. For 2D games, A Link Between Worlds is seriously underrated. One of the best Zelda games ever. Minish Cap is short and sweet too. A good starting place for handheld. For modern, Breath of the Wild is way better than Tears of the Kingdom for your first game. You can’t start a story halfway through…TOTK is a sequel. BOTW is designed to lead you through the world slowly. TOTK sends you through the same world on a rocket ship. It assumes you’ve already played BOTW. In the end, pick the game you see yourself finishing. That’s a good rule. But it is not true that anything pre-2001 is outdated. Most people still consider OOT one of the best games ever, if not the best game ever. The story, the music, the world, the gameplay, the characters-still undefeated. Audiences have changed. People want games to be more relaxing and like background music. But OOT is a thick novel, not background music. You’ve got to put your phone and computer away and sit down and play it and focus on it for an hour a day at least until you finish it. Immerse yourself in its grandeur. Not here to crucify you haha. But those of us who have been around longer have a perspective you don’t. Maybe that’s valuable to you, maybe it’s not. But we do have it. Using my experience, I have to say Ocarina of Time is the absolute best place to start. Nothing else comes close❤
@stavrosbegetis2173
9 ай бұрын
You call Ocarina of Time the foundation but the true foundation is a Link to the Past
@MarshallTheArtist
2 ай бұрын
A Link Between Worlds is perfect, but it's locked to 3DS, so many players may want to use emulators.
@Skyrapiids
8 ай бұрын
While i do see the point about OoT, Majora and ALTTP, I think that with OoT and ALTTP especially, you will enjoy the later games more, as almost every 3d game was built off of OoT, same with 2d and ALTTP. I personally played ALTTP as my first game and OoT as first 3d game, and while there are some difficult parts, i think that both games are very rewarding to finally beat. I also feel like older games have a certain charm to the bad graphics that newer games don't. Idk what you were saying about the games not aging well, as far as I've seen they've aged amazingly for their time. As for modern games, play BOTW first, TOTK is a sequel and you will enjoy it more after playing the first game.
@joseluispcr
5 ай бұрын
Ocarina of time you will need a guide. So? This games were designed to search for guide magazines. It was part of the fun. Ocarina is the most aclaimed game of all time is worth playng even for the knowledge at all.
@joseluispcr
5 ай бұрын
And never recomed tears of the kingdom before breath of the wild. Not only is a sequel in history is a more full of content version of the same world. Breat of the wild need to be played first or would feel boring in comparassion. That is one reason as well to start with ocarina and alttp. Historywise will be much better
@TheMadereMan
8 ай бұрын
Everyone likes their own generation. I can’t get into the NES/Snes games or the Switch ones. I grew up in the N64 era. So the N64 games are my favorite . Enjoy your generation. No judgement
@patrickmulligan7296
9 ай бұрын
As a person that has been playing the Zelda series since the 80s, I can honestly say that your take on this is very confused. I agree that people should choose their own starting point to get into the series, however, starting with the modern games (as you put it) will only taint the older games. Not because of the graphics or game play, but because of the deep lore and call backs that are in the modern games. You cant truly enjoy spectacle rock until you understand that it began in the original Zelda. The sages mean nothing until you have played OOT, and that their namesake is from Zelda2. The reason to start with older games is more about learning and seeing the progression of Hyrule. But if you really want to get a lore aspect, you should start with SS and play the games in chronological order. Which puts Zelda1 and Zelda2 as the last two you play before jumping into the BOTW and TOTK. Also, Zelda1 was completely open world. And Zelda2 was the first to try out the RPG elements that were basically scrapped until the modern games. ALTTP was the game started the tried and true formula the Zelda games used for most of the series. Which is why it is so popular and considered one of the best. OOT started the 3d era, and perfected the formula used in the series. But as far as opion on greatest games, MM and TP. The dark and adult themes are what made them great, but the story for each game is what draws you into the game and enjoying the series more than anything. Those same themes are also utilized by the modern games, just not in the same dark tones.
@Beesson6606
9 ай бұрын
Wind Waker for 3D, Tears of the Kingdom for Modern, Oracle of Seasons for 2D
@TylerSilverscale
9 ай бұрын
I found breath of the wild boring after my first playthrough. It felt barren and bland. An open world and nothing to really explore after you beat Zelda. If I had too I'd recommend Tears of the Kingdom over Breath of the Wild. I mean if Tears of the Kingdoms did dungeons right, well, It'd be a Zelda game worth replaying quite often.
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
Really? I had the exact opposite experience. I've found BotW to be very replayable, whereas TotK gets rougher around the edges the more of it you replay.
@TylerSilverscale
9 ай бұрын
@@barbecuesos6242 Yeah I just got more and more bored every time I played botw. It was ok my first time on Wii u and on switch but after that replaying it got very rough, tedious, and boring. Tears of the Kingdom however has much more to explore and you can refight temple bosses in the depths.
@erikn.9180
9 ай бұрын
@@barbecuesos6242 i think both get rough after a certain point in the game where everything is pointless cause you dont get new stuff but rather loose your weapons for example, but i enjoyed totk way more because it was easier to traverse and im really not that type to explore every inch of the map for nothing.
@matthewa6027
9 ай бұрын
@@barbecuesos6242I have to disagree to the idea that its highly re-playable. -Little to no music and its not Zelda enough; Just Japanese. -Dungeons are all the same flavor. -Main dungeons are too short and do the same 5 lock challenge. -Bosses are the same flavor and lacking. -Shallow lore. (like genuinely, this game would of been amazing if you can learn about past events and games through exploration.) -Little to no important NPCs -Most locations are just over simplified puzzles -Location names are references to more memorable Zelda games. -Korok seeds. (TotK used the same locations for them; I have a separate list of issues for TotK though) I enjoyed my time with both switch titles but It didn't draw me back in like I thought it would when I started. The huge world and ability to explore anywhere was its selling point, but all you get are the same handful of enemies, temp weapons and cooking supplies. Going to the ocean shore was my goal from the start, and you know I was disappointed that all I could see was a few rocks before getting forced back. If they used the games history and packed the map with events and answers to longtime questions, then I would see it as the defacto game to start with. Imo there are too many systems and gameplay differences to have a definitive starting. I know someone who doesn't enjoy any of them, but has become an MM addict recently. I made him try it a few months ago and now he's doing randomizers. I created a monster.
@Gigglerue
9 ай бұрын
Not sure where the aversion to playing Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask comes from, but okay, I still think Ocarina of Time is the best starting point, it's a classic adventure and the truest Zelda game out there, the 3DS remake is highly recommended, I can't say whether or not it requires a walkthrough as I've had the game memorized since I was a kid, but I don't think I ever looked at any guides back when I played it?... Majora's Mask I can sort of see why, it's certainly not for everyone with it's anxiety timer and darker themes (personally I love the dark themes), but it was my first Zelda game and introduced me properly to all the different races of the Zelda series~ :V As for A Link to the Past... I grew up with it, but never really played it myself, only recently have I really attempted to tackle it, and I gotta say, it's not what I was expecting at all, I like the whole theme of the entire kingdom is turned against you and there are wanted posters of you, I like how it feels more like a medieval fantasy with religious themes, I like that the villain is a dark wizard at the beginning, all that being said though, the game is way jankier than I expected, some puzzles I felt like I was trying forever to figure out the solution only to feel like "...really? that's the solution?" and be rather disappointed. I was also surprised how difficult the game was, at least how I was playing it, whenever I died, I would reset the console and load my save file, and that would force me to have to travel back to the dungeon every time from my house. Apparently you're supposed to use the game over screen to say you want to continue to save yourself the trouble of travelling back... whoops! xD I think the best answer is probably still just play the modern games however, but that's only assuming they haven't played *any* Zelda title... I think most people have probably played them and are retroactively looking back to see which Zelda games to play. :V
@MarshallTheArtist
2 ай бұрын
Hey! Listen! They really aren't beatable without a guide. I've played them through twice and even the second time I needed a guide. People beat those games back in the day by talking to each other and sharing tips. No one figured them out entirely by themselves.
@Gigglerue
2 ай бұрын
@@MarshallTheArtist I replayed Twilight Princess for the first time in a very long time, and I got stuck trying to figure out how to give the Goron hotspring water... I spent way too long trying to give him the hotspring water from a bottle before it cools... Apparently you're supposed to talk to the old Goron outside the Kakariko shop, and he'll set you off on a mini-game where you carry a barrel of hotspring water over to the Goron at the bridge (I avoided paying for the bridge till the end of the game, turns out they don't charge you so much if you hold off to pay till later...), and then he'll get his energy back and set up shop selling hotspring water in Hyrule you can purchase? Other than that though I didn't really have to look up anything other than where to find the last bottle, and I was able to find all the heart pieces just speaking to the fortune teller. :V Other than that though, I didn't need a guide, but I could totally see someone needing a guide for the statue notes after the Temple of Time, but maybe it was because I was playing the Wii U version? But they were all marked on my map already, so I just went out and found them all myself. :P Just walking you through my thought process here, but I'm way more familiar with the N64 titles so it's just odd to me that anyone would need a guide for those games, it's not like they have anything similar to Twilight Princess's statue notes, or Wind Waker's treasure maps, closest thing I can think of is maybe the mummies in the well asking for fish/milk/bugs/etc. in Majora's Mask? I've been watching a let's play of someone who's never played a Zelda title before playing Ocarina of Time, and they're playing without any guides just figuring it out as they go, reading all the dialog talking to every NPC, etc, and that's been really eye opening just how unforgiving these games are, I honestly had no idea~ it's fun to watch him eventually figure it out though~ no guide~ :9
@MarshallTheArtist
2 ай бұрын
@@Gigglerue The N64 games are full of little arbitrary blocks to progression without letting you solve problems through methods that should absolutely work. For example, you can't trigger the event to access the Shadow Temple without entering Kakariko from the front gate. I beat the Water Temple, then fast traveled to Death Mountain and entered the village from there and didn't trigger the fire, because the game assumes that you will approach from the front. The ice arrows are useless in OoT too, and that's unforgivable. They don't even freeze water. A Link Between Worlds, Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom don't have those kinds of problems. Wind Waker HD doesn't either. In those games, things happen as a person would reasonably expect them to. MM is even more complex and stressful. It has a timer! It gives you 72 minutes to figure out how to extend your time and you are virtually guaranteed to fail, which means you have to waste your time again on the most stressful segment of the game repeatedly. I hope the old classics get proper remakes with all of their issues adequately addressed, because they are some of the most important works of art ever created. OoT is probably the most important 3D video game ever made for the mechanics it invented alone. That doesn't make it a smooth game to play 25 years later. If you have enough time and patience, then you can probably get through almost any game, but who has the time and patience? Not many. Everything also depends on how your brain works. If you're a similar enough person to the devs, then you'll figure things out much faster. My brain works very differently from theirs, which is why I have an easier time with TotK, whose puzzles tend to work pretty much as they would in real life, other than the magic and Zonai tech, of course.
@patpatboy2
9 ай бұрын
Have you played OoT recently? It aged like wine!
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
Not OoT, but I did play some Majora's Mask recently. It was a rather painful experience. If I wasn't predisposed to like it from the other Zelda games, I would've quit that playthrough much earlier than I did.
@patpatboy2
9 ай бұрын
@@barbecuesos6242 Well MM is definitely not OoT, and it's not as good of an experience, but even still, I can't respect anyone's opinion who doesn't like OoT. It's the one game that I still go back to time and again, and love more than any other experience - and that's coming from someone who was NOT exposed to it until DEEP into the GameCube/PS2/XBox era.
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
@@patpatboy2 I get that the long-term fans like OoT & MM, but for non-Zelda players getting into the series, they're just not that approachable. I'm not trying to say that they're bad games, just that they're not necessarily a great starting place for noobs.
@Blade-hf9po
9 ай бұрын
whichever one grabs your attention 1st. In my case that was Twilight Princess. Played it, finished it, then moved backwards one at a time, I did skip skyward sword, motion controlled combat is not my thing at all. Anyway that was my experience. Also on the subject of looking things up, that only happened once to me, while playing TP for the 1st time(puzzle with the statues in the lost woods). While doing OoT.... I didn't finish it. I always had to look up at least one thing in every dungeon. By the time I made it to Hyrule castle I was too Fed up with the puzzles to even contemplate tackling it.
@dndhydrate
8 ай бұрын
I personally feel like you should have more faith in new players appreciating old things. You state these views like it's fact modern folks can't enjoy them.
@barbecuesos6242
8 ай бұрын
I totally believe that there are a fair number of people who can enjoy the older games, but from my experience and the experiences of the people that I know, that is definitely the exception. The old games can ruin the series for a lot of 'modern folks', and I'm trying to prevent that from happening.
@Degdreams
9 ай бұрын
Needing a guide for Ocarina of Time? Maybe im out of touch with younger gamers but that seems pretty insulting. Ocarina of Time is relatively easy and straightforward. I don't think it as badly as you say. Id actually say A Link to the Past aged WORSE, due to its difficulty, punishment for death, and amount of travel time due to bad fast travel placement. A Link to the Past is the first game ive ever owned, but I find Ocarina the easiest to return to, even though its not even in my top 4 Zelda games.
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
There are some gamers these days that can pick up OoT and MM for the first time today and get all the way through them without using guides, and bravo for them. However, I've never met such an individual. Everyone I know who's tried to play through those games for the first time in the last 10 years needed a guide for some parts.
@Degdreams
9 ай бұрын
@barbecuesos6242 Majora's Mask may require a guide. And the original LOZ is a straight-up guide game. A game where a guide is pretty much required to actually have fun... which there's nothing particularly wrong with that. Guides don't provide skill, they provide direction... I don't know, I never found needing a guide as a bad thing, but I understand I'm the minority in that discussion, plus that's a different discussion all together. My point and primary gripe with your opinion is that I simply disagree with your idea that Ocarina aged badly. I'm not saying its the best, you can find thousands of people that will argue with you on that one, I'm just feel like it's the most basic Zelda you can get. Everything else has some type of major gimmick (besides Twilight Princess). The fact that Ocarina is the most vanilla 3D game makes it timeless... Put it this way, you shouldn't be driving modded and customized cars if you can't drive it with stock parts (I'm sorry that's the best analogy I can think of without going too obscure)
@barbecuesos6242
9 ай бұрын
@@Degdreams I hear what you're putting down. Like you said though, not minding using a guide is the exception, not the rule
@GoatJesus
9 ай бұрын
Madness. I beat oot when I was 6. It's not hard and is very straightforward. Majora -- sure. It depends on what kind of gamer you are because a lot of people are fans of from soft games. I would recommend majora to a dark souls fan easily.
@UchihaNolasco
9 ай бұрын
Ocarina of time actually aged even better after Tears because of how much better the temples were in Ocarina. I couldn’t disagree more.
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