wow, thank you for making this! keep doing these because this hub info needs to be public
@thomasvmanning
4 жыл бұрын
Best hubs I've ever ridden. Roller bearing option on the freehub 👌. Much better for the radial loads from the drivetrain. No play or slop in the wheel, but rear wheel would freewheel for 3 minutes when well balanced. No bullshit, 3 minutes! Amazing hubs!
@404nobrakes
4 жыл бұрын
hold on... roller bearing? Don't the freehub bearings take an axial load when you sway the bike, or at least from the preload collar? How does the roller bearing cope with that?
@thomasvmanning
4 жыл бұрын
@@404nobrakes the roller bearing is towards the hub inside the freehub driver where loads are more strictly radial. A ball bearing is outboard that handles the radial and axial loads (and the preload).
@runningwithshemp
3 жыл бұрын
I have their VBC cranks on square taper one of best crankset I've ever owned. I've got a NAHBS frame and builder sent me a 103 (something too narrow) and Doug White custom milled some small chain adaptors and countersunk me a new inter 38t ring to make it work Been to there shop once for meet and great "Meet Your Maker" ride. Incredibly nice and generous people
@deadreckoner5276
3 жыл бұрын
Called their customer support line and someone picked up the phone.
@littlegoobie
4 жыл бұрын
I've watched 2 of your vids and found them interesting. You're like the biking-only version of AvE. You even work over a cutting mat.
@StretchGSK
4 жыл бұрын
That’s a very serious compliment BTW! 👌
@nickluhr381
3 жыл бұрын
Your criticisms are exactly what I thought about my T11. That far-right 6902 failed for me with relatively minimal wet weather riding and likewise, the lack of any precision control of the preload I found to be quite a turn-off. I would much prefer a threaded collar for preload to allow setting the right amount and fixing it. With the T11 design, you have to apply some abstract amount of side pressure using a socket wrench, then fix the grub screws hoping they don't cause a shift in the collar while tightening.
@karl8805
3 жыл бұрын
My white hubs are to this day the best hub i have ever run.... And i had them in reynold dvt backnin 2001-2004.... amazing
@michaelhusted3131
2 жыл бұрын
One correction from memory. The reason for the double row bearing (3802) in the freehub is because I believe there is a sleeve spacer (as discussed at minute 7:20) in the freehub between the inner races of that bearing and the outer freehub bearing. This spacer allows the outer race of the outer freehub bearing to float (I’m guessing you noticed that later!) and it allows the adjustable collar to take up preload in the wheel bearings ONLY. I’ve not encountered problems with the lack of a weather shield and the hub you’re holding does not look as though it’s suffered either. It’s quite possible (probable even) to over tighten the adjusting collar grub screws, and those screws do mar the collar, but it’s not likely that the hub will need to be disassembled often enough for that to become an issue. The reason for this design is so the grub screws will not mar the axle.
@DavidJones-sc6jc
3 жыл бұрын
Well done man. I have the T11 hubs and have over 15k (miles) on them. Brilliant hubs. I’d run Dura Ace but Shimano hates hand-built wheels and offers (currently ) 20f and 24r hubs.
@michaelpayne8337
3 жыл бұрын
Generally not a fan of building with sealed bear hubs over the years, but White has always made high quality, long-lasting units. I have a Speed Racer from the mid-90’s with inestimable off-road mileage that I recently repurposed to a set of Touring wheels. I replaced the outer freehub bearing. The rest are fine spins forever, no appreciable hole stretch at the flanges. Personally, I prefer them to King.
@Megadeth6633
4 жыл бұрын
Love these vids for us nerds. Thank you so much.
@danielbum912
4 жыл бұрын
7:40 I can attest to that, although the other way around. My almost new Hunt wheelset developed an annoying lateral play on the rear hub and it took me about a week to understand what you've just casually explained there in 15 seconds. Long story short is that I asked a friend to lathe off 80µ lengthwise off the spacer sleeve between the hub bearings and that fixed it. The hubs used in these Hunt wheels seemed to be rebranded Boyd 85 Road hubs (to the best of my reverse engineering skills), not at all that high-end.
@steveflor9942
4 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks for this instructive video. Useful information from start to finish. Cheers from SoCal
@chiefrocker12
4 жыл бұрын
I have had these hubs for a few years.... The collar that allows you to apply a preload is great. However I have experienced a fault with this. Mind you, it's the technician that assembled it was the problem. If the collar and the two bolts are not secured properly after preload has been applied, the result is a slight axial play of the cassette. In my case what happened could have been fatal. The play cause the chain to cease between the top derailleur pulley and the cassette, and immediately ripped the derailleur hanger and threw the entire derailleur assembly into my spokes... Causing lock out of the rear wheel. Partial wheel failure as a few spokes were ripped out. This happened at about 20kmh....luckily not faster. I skidded to a nasty halt. I did get it repaired and a few hundred dollars I am back up. While this is a rare occurrence (advised by a different technician), something we need to be aware of. Make sure this is checked on a regular basis.
@solarheat9016
7 ай бұрын
I like the Hope 20mm front hub. It uses a spacer between the bearings. The bearings ride on the 20mm axle. Never had any problems.
@workshopninjathe1st
3 жыл бұрын
The witness marks would be bigger if the spacer is bigger, the only thing that keeps the free floating pawls in the free hub body IS that flat surface. They build up very nicely too, enjoy...
@n0ch91c3s
4 жыл бұрын
They use 6061, not 7075. I believe they state one reason is that, being a bit softer, the spoke elbow forms the hole better.
@tristandesade8635
3 жыл бұрын
“Completely and utterly” - What a word porn in the world of cycling. I like it!🤩
@tychoMX
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Regarding the missing seal on the non-drive side - I own these hubs, but crucially they are the disc brake version (CLD). They don't have a contact shield for the bearing but the end cap that goes on the disc side is massive and has o-rings for sealing them in in addition to being recessed in the disc mounting surfae. I was a bit worried about this but a couple of seasons for riding on wet gravel rides (this is the "wet weather" bike) have reassured me that no water actually gets in.
@GHinWI
2 жыл бұрын
With respect to the weather shield outboard of the drive hub bearing, what I have done for the last couple years is put an X-profile o-ring there as a shield. Search McMaster Carr part # 6540K167 for the size. The X-profile ring fits perfectly-just snug over the aluminum collar, and barely touches the ID of the XD drive shell.
@justinwbohner
3 жыл бұрын
The angular double row bearings might be to counter the axial torque from the chain tension on the cassette. I have two sets of White hubs and haven't had a problem yet with this bearing. Great hubs. Incidentally, White's freehub drag is less than half the drag from Onyx Vesper.
@tz1993723
2 жыл бұрын
My question is the same as your video description. I used Princeton Carbonworks Wake 4540 & White Industries rear hub. When I locked the rear reel, it stopped quickly when idling.
@manuelcalleja92
4 жыл бұрын
Have you looked at DT Swiss 240's in detail. Other than the titanium freehub body on the T11 vs aluminum on the DT's, how would the WI compare to DT? Looking to make a decision on my first road bike wheelset that is being built and have the option on these hubs for the same price 🤔
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
Yes i have a video on dt240. Search it. I would pick the dt240 over this T11.
@finarollerz
3 жыл бұрын
I have ridden both for many years, I think t11 is best value by far, I have enduro bearings and they are fast! I agree, if I had to pick just one hub- go 240.
@이호남-z8m
4 жыл бұрын
The only reason why there is a scratch on the middle part of the axle bearing...This is because the bearing just below the pawl is under the greatest load. The pawl stops on Ratchet's teeth, and the force to push the bearings on the other side is causing a scratch. So products that consider durability use the bearing either needle bearing or double row bearing. In fact, a weak bearing is used in that part, or a product whose bearing is further back may break the bearing.
@camefluch
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, I Wonder if the double angular contact bearing aim to improve hub durability even in the case of overtightened preload cup ?! It's something I would consider if designing burly components.
@donaldsimonds9297
2 жыл бұрын
I just pulled the freehub off my T11 and that inboard double bearing was bad, very rough. Ended up replacing it with 2 6802's as you recommended. Hopefully they'll hold up better under my 180 lbs.
@aidanpalmer7098
3 жыл бұрын
I had an issue with my T11 rear hub in which the drive-side axle endcap would not stay on the axle. Every time the wheel came off, that end cap popped off. Contacted White Industries, they said to put loctite on the end of it and clamp in a vise overnight (which seemed to solve the issue). The rest of the hub is great (especially that Ti freehub body), just not the fit of that endcap to the axle.
@plc007
3 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful video and a great analysis. I'm considering a wheelset using these hubs. I had a similar bearing mark on the axle of my Miche RG2 hubs used on my Moulton (small wheels mean more rotation) after 36,000 km. Still worked just fine, but rim wore out and I had an new wheel ready to go.
@ryan92084
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how old this hub was they were suppoosed to have upped the seals on outward facing bearings by switching to enduro dual seal back in ~2018 so the only real "issue" should be the grub screws.
@willo7979
3 жыл бұрын
7:40 this is one of the reason Hambini has a inner axle sleeve between bearings inner race to limit amount of axial load transferring through outer races. 11:20 the only reason i can think of for a double-row bearing, is taking advantage of its width. For if a narrow bearing is chosen, the white gouge on the axle may not look this nice.
@guypolson
4 жыл бұрын
I have several of these and I love them
@thomasvmanning
2 жыл бұрын
there are like 3 different non-miscible greases in the freehub pawls.
@solarheat9016
Жыл бұрын
What do you think of the Shimano FH-MT401 and 410? It is the Deore level hub with cartridge bearings and functional freehub.
@SmilesDavis
4 жыл бұрын
What is your go to road disc hub? You mentioned dura ace, but Shimano doesn't make a disc comaptible road hub.
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mario. DT swiss 240 disc. Seems to be very reliable with very good tolerances.
@damienrstpierre
4 жыл бұрын
@@PeakTorque For the budget minded person what do you think about the Novatech D411/412 Hubs (saving for a pair of Light Bicycle AR56 wheels and this is their budget hub option)? Also, cheers for the very informative videos, a great blend of technical knowledge with layman explanations.
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
@@damienrstpierre probably absolutely fine. But no experience. I wouldn't expect the stock bearings to last v long. Use them and then just replace them with skf bearings when they're worn out.
@damienrstpierre
4 жыл бұрын
@@PeakTorque Thanks mate, thought as much about the bearing anyways
@GNX157
3 жыл бұрын
Are these the hubs that can be ordered with Boyd wheels?
@robinrai4973
4 жыл бұрын
Man I should've taken engineering!
@lilhavin
4 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to get the Princeton CarbonWorks WAKE 6560 wheelset and the hub options are these White Industries T11 or TUNE Princess. What do you guys think would be the better option if I'm doing standard road biking with a bit of endurance rides.
@shibaburn7725
4 жыл бұрын
Do any hubs that you know of use spring preload? Any opinion on Carbon-Ti hubs? I'm running mainly Bitex cheapies now, and I haven't had to change any bearings yet. Nice drawing by the way.
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
Hey. Good point. I've never seen any with wave spring preload. Would be a neat solution but axial space would be difficult. Maybe I'll design something. Im sure you can hide the wavespring between the bearings somehow.
@404nobrakes
4 жыл бұрын
@@PeakTorque the enve hubs use a spring preload. I believe the new Zipp ZR1 hubs do as well.
@thedownunderverse
4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a review of the newest Miche Primato Syntesi road (rear) hub?
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, if you send me one!
@selder03
3 жыл бұрын
Would you trust these for light gravel riding?
@simonnekark9354
3 жыл бұрын
Textbook, absolute textbook
@81antiloop
3 жыл бұрын
Would like to ask, how do you easily differentiate which side of the axle belongs to the freehub?
@jamiehill3330
3 жыл бұрын
Am I right in thinking that only the 2 outer bearings get preloaded using the collar arrangement? The collar presses on the inner race of the bearing doesn't it?
@MultiMeschi
3 жыл бұрын
This will push the outer race of the bearing inside and because it is pressed inside the hub/freehub body this presses the outer race from the inner bearings against the balls and against the inner race of the inner bearings. The spacer he talks about then balances out the pushing forces.
@peterlaskiewicz8252
4 жыл бұрын
High quality hub, I've got 12,000 miles one set, beside replacing the bearings, no issues. Only weakness of the hub is weight and free hub bearing exposure to water. Made in USA to boot.
@peterlaskiewicz8252
4 жыл бұрын
And the grub screws as noted. Agree.
@karl8805
3 жыл бұрын
@@peterlaskiewicz8252 those ceasing is lack of maintanance...owner miss use..mine never did that
@GNX157
3 жыл бұрын
Any hub manufacturers using angular contact bearings in their hubs?
@GelDouche12
3 жыл бұрын
Every shimano hub
@Ninja_Revenge
2 жыл бұрын
Too finicky! DT 240 for z win
@mampe4122
3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the vid. convinced me that white hubs are not so good. would much rather have the tube spacers between the bearings than a loose collar to control the preload. If the collar is being clamped by the skewer, there's almost no way it can not shift and smash the bearings together.
@karl8805
3 жыл бұрын
I ran white hubs, heavy rider, 20000km racing...never an issue..best hubs ive ever owned, easy to seevice...easy to maintain...mixed with ceramic spees bearings there epic
@kellrockets101
3 жыл бұрын
White hubs are fantastic! Smooth as butter, and such low drag feeling
@yohandsome
4 жыл бұрын
Why the heck would you get something like this compared to say the Hope Pro4 or RS4?
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
I dunno. It's not mine :)
@yohandsome
4 жыл бұрын
@@PeakTorque right I meant in general I dunno either 💁
@ze_ep
4 жыл бұрын
For Americans, it's made locally which might matter especially during covid-19.
@tychoMX
4 жыл бұрын
I have both these and the Hopes! They are both on an all-road bike with discs (CLD version for these), these have 40 mm tires, the Hopes have 50 mm tires (total overkill but that was what passed for my MTB). I feel the Hopes have a bit more drag than these, and of course the freewheel I had was chewed a bit and had to be replaced. The Hopes also are a bit more "heavyweight", but that may just an illusion because those are 32 hole vs. 24 in the Whites. I think they are fairly equivalent in performance, but I would favour the Hope for heavier duty use and for weather sealing.
@Megadeth6633
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the off topic, but is there any performance difference between a headset that is press fitted vs a normal integrated bearing system (the ones that drop in)? My guess is press fit is more precise and would slightly feel better to anyone that can actually notice and appreciate that kind of thing. I know I do, and i'm trying to make a decision. Im talking about the ones canyon uses with some of their headsets for example. thanks!!
@PeakTorque
4 жыл бұрын
Old school Aheadset type with press fit yes will be stiffer. It's not used in carbon because making the alignment work is more expensive (like bottom brackets) and the alignment between the cups is crucial.
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