one of those videos that hangs around in my mind and gives a lot of new ideas. rhetoric is awesome!
@GavinandthePiano
3 күн бұрын
just want to say I learn incredible amounts from you and really appreciate everything you make. Love the presentation and the writing style
@xzyeee
3 күн бұрын
This is BRILLIANT! IT PLAGUES COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES THE WORLD OVER!!!!! Good writing is like sharing a tear of bread, having made it out of the thoughtfulness for yourself and the person with whom you will share it. Sharing is a marker of a relationship...even when done with a stranger through your writing.
@WritingwithAndrew
3 күн бұрын
Thanks--I like that way of putting it!
@ElliotBrownJingles
5 күн бұрын
This seems like a perfect way to break through writer's block! (Also, it has been difficult but I can finally write things like "writer's block" without the dash).
@WritingwithAndrew
3 күн бұрын
All progress is progress 😜
@mikesmithz
5 күн бұрын
I recently read a beautiful line, and I wonder what your take on it is. "When you create for other people, you create a product. When you create for yourself, you create art". How true do you think this is? It's not a value judgement, and it's not saying one thing is better than the other, but I can understand how thinking "too much" about what an audience wants would cause you to create something that is more distant from what you "want" to create. You have musicians now who focus entirely on creating a product for their audience, and it seems that creating a viral TikTok video is more important than creating truly meaningful "art". Is it an either/or? How do you balance being completely honest with your art - but also being open enough to be accommodating for your audience as well? I suppose it's different when it comes to rhetoric as surely rhetoric is 100% focused on creating a product for the audience. I suppose you feel similar pressures as a content creator - there are probably lots of things you want to talk about but you know your audience wouldn't be interested in those sorts of things. So, how do you deal with this pressure? Do you just do your own thing and just hope you find an audience of people like yourself? Or do you play to your audience and do the things they expect you to do? I look at the company Apple and see both sides of this argument. When Steve Jobs was alive, he created the products he wanted to create. He didn't care about anyone else, and he even said that most people didn't really know what they wanted until they saw it. So he just powered through, creating one groundbreaking thing after another. Now you have Cooks, and he is the total opposite - now it's all about marketing and focus groups, it's all about asking the customer what they want, then trying to deliver that product. Is there some sweet spot in the middle? Is one way of thinking better than the other?
@WritingwithAndrew
3 күн бұрын
In my line of work, I get to answer most questions with "it depends"--and I'm going to do it again! But I do think there's an important distinction between being true to yourself and being self-indulgent--and between being true to yourself and being a sellout. Art probably isn't art if it's just pandering, and it's probably not art if it's totally solipsistic either. (So I'm voting for that sweet spot in the middle!) This channel is probably the thing I do where the audience is most visible, and audience response has definitely had an influence on how I go about things. But, at the same time, we could ask: would I have a bigger audience if I were hanging from helicopters and driving fast cars through exploding warehouses while talking about classical rhetoric? Maybe. That's so far from being who I am, though, that it probably wouldn't ring true to anyone. This introvert's lower key style may not be mega viral, but, then again, not every viewer is looking for an adrenaline rush 🤷♂️
@Novastar.SaberCombat
2 күн бұрын
Art is born of ideas, ingenuity, whimsy, wonder, and inner drive. Whenever someone begins to seek outside forces (such as financial ones) to guide or influence their work... yup... it takes a chompy bite out of the genuine "art" it once may have been. We've seen this on hundreds of occasions, too. "Terminator" became garbage. "Star Wars"... the same. "The Matrix" as well. LotR too. HP, The Witcher, Star Trek, Borderlands, Marvel characters, etc., etc. Do yourself a favor and stay fresh, free, and foolhardy. 💪😎✌️ 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)
@delstanley1349
3 күн бұрын
Publishers of course want to know your stance too, and upfront if you're writing a novel. Is it "literary" or is it " commercial" I guess is their way of describing a "pedant" and an "advertiser."
@claucemicro1080
3 сағат бұрын
Even advertisements need a statement of facts (which may be implicit or explicit.) Otherwise the potential customer may see them as something to avoid. And I think it’s easier to turn something pedantic to rhetorical than it is to fix a text that has no substance.
@Shubbubidus
3 күн бұрын
@mikesmithz I think you can make something you'd like, but it's important to make sure you are properly communicating that idea to your audience if your intent is to share that idea with others.
@mikesmithz
3 күн бұрын
@Shubbubidus when you think about it, it's not really as easy as that, though. For example, Bowie said that when he got super famous in the 80s, he decided to change his musical style, and he tried to write music he thought his fans liked/wanted. He later went on to say that this was one of the worst mistakes he ever made - he ended up writing music he hated and music the fans felt ambivalent about. He quickly went back to writing music for himself, he didn't care about the audience at all, and of course, he then ended up making "good" music again that he could enjoy and his fans could appreciate. So it's a tough one. I understand businesses have the need to want to sell to as many people as possible - the market controls the product. But for art...if your goal is to create true art, should you bother with thinking about what your audience wants? Won't those pressures corrupt the purity of the artist's vision? I didn't mean to get poetical with that last sentence, but I suppose there's no less pretentious way of saying it, lol.
@Shubbubidus
3 күн бұрын
@@mikesmithz I see what you mean, it depends if creating that art is your job. If that's the case, then of course you need to take into account profitability. Like you said with the Bowie example, he ended up making music no one really liked in that era. I think that trying to go for mass appeal can just be as much, if not more of a crapshoot then creating art that you believe in. There have been some many flops in Hollywood recently. Look at the phase four multiverse stuff with Marvel, I think they're definitely trying to engineer those for mass appeal, but they're not doing terribly well.
@Shubbubidus
3 күн бұрын
I also think you can make art that isn't exactly to your taste, but you still think is of a high quality and well executed. Maybe there's an art to understanding the tastes of a particular audience and knowing how to create something that they would like. This all depends on what one's definition of art is, though. Is art any composition for the purpose of expression? Even if one would agree with that definition, they would still have the trouble of creating art that their heart is behind versus art that is not.
@mikesmithz
3 күн бұрын
@@Shubbubidus you absolutely hit the nail on the head with your Marvel phase 4 analogy! That is the perfect example of a product and not art. Those movies were cynical with the approach they took - all of the movies looked like they were created by committee; they just checked off boxes on a checklist. I'm sure there are plenty of music producers out there who are churning out tracks they hate, but they are making them because they want the money and because they know there is an audience for them. I bet if you ask those producers though, they would say they are creating products and not art. I have nothing against people who create products, and there is nothing wrong with an artist using their talents to make money - I'm not knocking them at all! This whole discussion is just so I can get the concept right in my head, so I'm wondering where I should focus my attentions - on art, or on creating a product. I suppose it's easy to get caught up in being self indulgent and creating things just for yourself. When I think about creating art for an audience, I think it's more about the form than it is about the content. If I thought too much about what the audience wanted, then my art could easily slip into becoming a product. But if instead of focusing on the content, and I focused on the form instead, then this way I could still create art *and* think about the audiences needs and wants at the same time. I'm sort of landing on the idea that the content should always be decided by the artists wants, and the form should be decided by the audience. This way you could create art that, maybe, hopefully, possibly, would be good and would make you money, lol.
@Onthewayover
Күн бұрын
Well, at least now we know where you stand on the issue. XD
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