Super appreciate the GH5/HDR10/HLG information. Its why I bought the GH5 and you seem to be one of the few people talking about working with HDR footage. Thank you very much and looking forward to your future content!
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Truly appreciate that...we're trying :)
@TheTechnoPilot
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very clear and concise description of these standards, there are so few resources for understanding these new standards clearly. This is going to be my reference for explaining to directors, producers, and clients.
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Oh thanks!!!!
@soudanthos2
7 жыл бұрын
My head is going to explode!! Too many cool things coming out!!
@Rajanarulmani
6 жыл бұрын
Upload a colour grading tutorial for GH5 HLG profile.. there are many tutorial videos for VLoG and Slog s .. no one made video for HLG...
@CRFTSHO
6 жыл бұрын
I'll mention to Jeff.
@IslandFilmMaker
7 жыл бұрын
It's a lot to take in all at once, you both explained it well! It's comes down to more choices in Nits and colours now that this HDR revolution finally here! The whole new line of 4K televisions from from Panasonic for 2018 will have HDR10 HLG displays with a firmware updates to come on most of the 2017 models as well. Amazon and Samsung have also come on board with this new HDR 10 bit tech instead of Dolby Digital 12 bit offering. Considering Dolby Digital extreme colour can't yet seen in true 12 bit color on the latest HDR TV's for a few more years.
@michaelvlogs4832
7 жыл бұрын
Great info! Do you think HDR will replace v-log L?
@FLoR1aN31
7 жыл бұрын
The Autofocus looks like really better with the firmware update, isn't it? On the first scene, when you walk to your office, are you in AF mode? Looks like, the GH5 actually manage to keep you in focus.
@Bubblegummonsters
7 жыл бұрын
I have to say I'm excited about HDR, having worked in the CG industry this tech has been around for decades but I'm confused how it works when it comes to cameras. To create HDR files for lighting you take pictures at various stops and combine them (As I'm sure you know) But with the camera's HDR we're relying on the limit of the dynamic range that the camera can see, aren't we? Which for the GH5 isn't that high, certainly not close to 16 stops. So how does the GH5 take advantage of HDR. Or is it that normal monitors can't even see 10 - 12 stops like the GH5 so just being able to display those extra few stops is an advantage in itself?
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah we weren't sure either - it shoots a single frame and offers latitude in the post side. It is NOT like the traditional HDR of dual or triple or more exposures.
@Bubblegummonsters
7 жыл бұрын
Ah I think I understand. Thanks for letting me know
@charbax
7 жыл бұрын
At the IFA I asked the TV companies, and not only Samsung/LG/Sony have HLG. Also Hisense, TCL, Skyworth and other of the cheaper 4K HDR TV manufacturers also support HLG. What I wonder is if I chose the 72mbit/s HLG mode on GH5 and upload that to KZitem, if someone watches it on a non-HLG compatible TV, will KZitem deliver an HDR10 version of the video to them automatically? And is there a way to know which videos are HLG/HDR on KZitem, do they have a filter for HLG or HDR10 content in KZitem search? It's simply awesome it seems maybe that Panasonic may have been the ones to convince KZitem to support 4K HLG H265 uploads directly supported! That was what I have been suggesting since the unveiling of GH5 at CES in January, to push KZitem to support 4K H265 upload..
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
At least in our tests...and some chatting via Panasonic with YT there is no PQ conversion happening. If you upload HLG then that's what will trigger. Additionally we have not seen anything more than an HDR tag for either PQ or HLG. What we have confirmed as of the past two weeks is that an HLG upload just triggers a 4K SDR version - and vice versa non HDR10 (PQ) televisions do the same - just a 4K badge.
@charbax
7 жыл бұрын
Maybe KZitem doesn't bother converting from HLG to HDR10 because they expect most people buying new 4K HDR displays will have HLG support by now. (or is it perhaps impossible to convert HLG to HDR10?) I wonder how HDR works on the affordable 4K Projectors that are coming out, for example I am quite excited about the $1999 Optoma UHD550X 4K Projector with HDR, I wonder if Optoma supports HLG. I'll try to ask them if I get the chance to review the device. It would be awesome if within a year from now people can buy awesome 4K projectors at sub-$1000 with HDR HLG support. But I can imagine that HDR is not going to be the same on TV and Projector. Sony told me that their $5000 4K projector supports HDR HLG.
@planetmarine
7 жыл бұрын
This was spot on. Great talk Drew. Great walk-through by Jeff. But next time , could Drew put a little more energy into his delivery? Geezus, Mary and Joseph.... it's like watching a squirrel on amphetamines. Love it. #SHTLL
@planetmarine
7 жыл бұрын
Just an FYI : I watched this on a flip-phone.
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
I'm getting you on payroll....
@edwardnixon1782
6 жыл бұрын
Assuming I'm interested in rendering Rec709 because that's where the masses are sitting in front of the 6- or 7-year old computer screens why wouldn't I choose to go with HLG -- properly exposed, etc., etc. -- and then bring it into DaVinci Resolve and grade it down into the Rec709 space? On the face of it, I have more flexibility in where I put highlights, mids and shadows. Colour space? Yes it'll come in smaller or more compressed but at least in terms of luminosity, it'll be under control. Maybe I'm missing something here because I don't find a lot of info comparing the utility of V-Log vs HLG when HDR is not the prime concern; dynamic range is.
@Ulrich.Bierwisch
7 жыл бұрын
What about "HDR10+"? Panasonic just announced on the IFA in Berlin that this will be the Format on every Panasonic TV and they showed the HLG-Format on the GH5 during the same show without telling how this fits together.
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Not totally sure about the HDR10+ haven't seen the specs and they don't sell Panasonic TVs in the US ;(
@CyrusHostetler
7 жыл бұрын
Is something wrong with my monitor? I am getting lots of banding and noise in the backgrounds on your videos. Even after I change the resolution settings. The wall behind Jeff at 1:45, the sky at 5:11, and other out of focus backgrounds. is this purely from youtube compression?
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
+Cyrus Hostetler looking into it v
@CyrusHostetler
7 жыл бұрын
I think its youtube compression. I am getting to be more and more of a video compression snob, and finally noticing how bad youtube compresses uploaded videos
@ilusaosemlimite
7 жыл бұрын
Still didnt understand the difference if there's any between VLog L and HLG thingy...
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Think of it like picture profiles....between standard and cine - d or any other profile - its just a look - when used with the right post process you can see benefits if delivered in HDR - that said - there are few major benefits comparatively between log and HLG in something like premiere pro.
@ilusaosemlimite
7 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the reply Guys! In terms of dynamic range, would I be able to have the "same" latitude from VLogL using the HLG thingy or not? Thanks!
@trevorpinnocky
7 жыл бұрын
Dope. I've been waiting for this episode. :D
@electronicboxbulgaria264
3 жыл бұрын
Nice one! Why if the footage was shot on HLG you choose input reg 709 ?
@NehuenG
7 жыл бұрын
JEFF!!! Do DaVinci tutorials please!!!
@srobart
7 жыл бұрын
In Jeff's Resolve project list, I saw "BeardColor Ideas"...is that a new series that you guys are going to debut? I'd love to hear more from the beard about color correction and editing. :)
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Only the beard knows...
@TheUndisputedGodFather
7 жыл бұрын
You guys are killing it!
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Oh thank you
@mystic7splace
7 жыл бұрын
You never did explain whether buying V Log was a waste other than saying we're prepared for anything. Yeah, that's right. It's me! ;-)
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
+Duke Sweden you sir are banned. You made me spit out beer!!! It really comes down to needs. If you're planning on making some really color specific HDR10 content - V Log all day. If you just want some really well balanced HDR images direct from camera - hlg. We only use log on our higher end jobs or when we have time to respect it in post. LOG is like a date you like. You take your time. Work it a bit and hope it lasts. HLG is a one night stand. Also Monkees
@mystic7splace
7 жыл бұрын
Now if I could only find a way to make you spit out hundreds ;-) HLG with everything at -5 (including hue) looks like crap out of the camera. How could I NOT do post on it? Also, I set Resolve to Jeff's settings and everything immediately went dull and dark and unsaturated and no amount of tweaking changed anything. Still got a lot of experimenting to do. btw, thanks for finally: 1. Getting a grip on your blood pressure, or 2. Paying more attention to your skin tones in these crftsho vids!
@slowmotion8731
5 жыл бұрын
Which is better for video games? Hlg or hdr10?
@RexSmithII
7 жыл бұрын
Nice video,Do recommend on waiting to buy v log,Seems hlg has 16 stops, but I'm sure most tvs can't even get close to that I just got the gh 5 and my next thing was to get v log but lil confused after reviewing hlg now
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
+Rex Smith yeah. We're putting a video out on that Monday. Just put one out today about log. Have u shot log before
@RexSmithII
7 жыл бұрын
I have on mavic drone it is d log I understand how it works and deff want the best out of my videos . I do have a 4k 65" hdr tv , I don't knw it it is up to par with what you are talking about. It doesn't say the nitts just says hdr effect yes. But wouldn't you still need a v log to push the colors with out sacrificing quality (thus 10bit)
@dan_hitchman007
7 жыл бұрын
You must remember that the GH5 does not capture 16 stops. No way, no how. V-Log L was originally designed to maximize what the camera can theoretically do. Maybe 11 stops... maybe, maybe 12. Though at 400 ISO the image does have some noise in the image that must be de-grained in post. This is still not a pro level camera.
@RexSmithII
7 жыл бұрын
I used neat video in post to take out the extra noise seemed to work great just took like 3 hrs to render! Is it better to put the nr values up in the v log setting is camera to help with this noise? I get contrast-3 and noise reduction +2. And is the lowest vlog can go 400 ISO ? I just started shootings with it, I did a low light test last night and was very good after a grade and a lut
@randymohr7731
7 жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to the upcoming firmware and HLG. It seems that grading in DaVinci Resolve, the only way to view it on a 4k HDR TV is through KZitem. Just wonder if say you have an OLED HDR TV, could you just put the file on a USB drive and plug it into the TV or is it not that easy. By the way I don't have an OLED HDR TV...YET!!
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
+Randy Mohr haaaaaa Yeah you can load it on to a thumb or stick and play it in the TV that said after you're happy with the look of HDR file uploading to KZitem is important to review the SDR version they automatically generate.
@jeremypcp
6 жыл бұрын
I was talking to one of you a while back when you had a problem getting you HLG videos to show up on KZitem as HDR after being uploaded. I myselft just started producing HDR content with my GH5 and X5S and wanted to give you an update. I think one of you said you were trying to render the project out in H.264. I have recently discovered that H.264 doesnt record the HDR Metadata into the file so when you upload it to youtube it sees it as rec709. But if you render it out as any of the Prores codecs it carries all the HDR Metadata. I hope this helps.
@CRFTSHO
6 жыл бұрын
+Jeremy Poulin yeah. Cool. Might have been h265? You rendering out of what program?
@jeremypcp
6 жыл бұрын
CRFTSHO I've used Resolve 14 and Final Cut 10.4. Unlike H.264, H.265 does support 10 bit, and should carry the Metadata too, but it isn't supported by KZitem yet. So for now it looks like we are stuck with ProRes 422 or better for uploading HDR to KZitem.
@ugendravarmaninthiran7694
7 жыл бұрын
Guys.. just curious.. what would be your profile choice to shoot? V Log L or HLG??
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
So...I'm on the fence. The main advantage of HLG for sending content to viewers is that it can adjust the brightness via the downstream of their television - however shooting LOG and outputting in HDR10 offers the greatest amount of creative control.
@ugendravarmaninthiran7694
7 жыл бұрын
CRFTSHO thanks guys! Really appreciate it.. do you also plan to do a tutorial for shooting in HLG in terms of exposure, IRE, etc.??
@blackshelbygt500kr
5 жыл бұрын
So I edit in Davinci Resolve on a 5k Imac. Will I see the HLG color space on my monitor? Or will I need an external HDR monitor? And if MacOS somehow color manages the screen so I see the "correct" colors, will it be accurate enough to grade off of?
@dspoet1
5 жыл бұрын
The settings don't work in the free version.
@stanisawzarychta9642
7 жыл бұрын
Yesterday I played around with LOG and HLG color spaces on my GH5, and aside of getting better dynamic range from HLG (I can't see it from my regular monitor/TV) I notice some quite interesting results when shooting in low light and high ISO. For me workable ISO for LOG is 1600. And both HLG and LOG looks pretty the same when push up exposure to high levels in post, BUT when I push the ISO before shooting above 1600 to the limit of 12800 (!) I notice that HLG give me pretty workable noise and look WAY better than LOG, which looks like sh*t above 3200. Both color spaces give me massive noise at higher ISOs, but I think LOG adds to it crappy magenta/green artifacts, where HLG keep it pretty solid/unsaturated. I wonder if you could check it and see if there is some sense in what I notice. Also it would be awesome if you could provide us HLG settings you use, to achieve best results for grading (for now I stick to -5 for all settings).
@bnielsen44
7 жыл бұрын
The angels have sang. Please keep em coming. I heard V-log gets you to 12 stops. Do you know if the GH5 HLG is more or less. I'm almost thinking that waiting on the HLG is not that big of a deal anymore. I might just get an ATAMOS and record 60fps (I'm hooked on 60fps) in vlog (422hq, or 444?) I am not sure what will get you the best bit rate. Since you guys are the tip of the spear here. What route would be the best to use the GH5 at its top full potential HDR.
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
This is a bit trixy. You're only going to get those extra stops in an HLG workflow AND presentation. HDR in general is about 17 stops so - there's that - but ONLY in HDR. If you plan on delivering both an SDR and HDR version - LOG. If only in HLG HDR then - HLG.
@brandonbuckman86
7 жыл бұрын
CRFTSHO so are you saying if you shoot in hgl you will get more than the 11 or 12 stops or is it not gonna change a whole lot?
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
NO..kinda...but only IF THE FINAL DISPLAY IMAGE IS GRADED FOR HDR/HLG display.
@filmmakerslife5381
7 жыл бұрын
HDR gives you 17 stops but those 17 stops can only be seen on an HLG/HDR Display
@bnielsen44
7 жыл бұрын
does that mean the GH5 is recording 17 stops in HLG. If so I'd be a happy camper.
@paulwright717
7 жыл бұрын
I'm jumping down the rabbit hole of your channel tonight and my god thank you for putting this stuff out. My question is if it's bias (or excitement) that the HDR footage i'm seeing looks better even on my 2013 macbook pro that certainly isn't HDR compatible? As in, will it be worth it to me to gather the extra information in my shots with my GH5 even if I don't edit or output it in HDR?
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
If delivering for SDR - standard dynamic range - I'd not worry about shooting in HLG but would consider LOG.
@espenglomsvoll
7 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the info! Love this channel!
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much :)
@terranborn56
7 жыл бұрын
I thought HLG was backwards compatible with Rec709 so you don't have to make 2 output files.
@johnwilcox7826
6 жыл бұрын
You are correct The bbc/NKK designed this so that ordinary HD tvs rec 709 can display a reasonable picture so they dont have to transmit 2 different standards . So HLG will work on all tv's HD and UHD HDR Hence the name HYBRID LOG GAMMA
@titaniumslug
6 жыл бұрын
Suppose I think HDR displays are a gimmick and will die like 3d (because at the end of the day no-one wants to wear glasses or be blinded by super bright highlights) So I'm only interested in producing for standard brightness monitors, does HLG still have any relevance as a capture format? Can the extra highlight metadata be utilised in a standard colorspace? Or would that be pointless over using log? Or, because the highlight info is recorded in meta data, would the HLG profile with highlight metadata striped give me an image with less blown out highlights (than normal profiles) that doesn't need a lut like log? (So it looks like you filmed and graded log, but you don't have do anything). Or would the highlights be a bit too muted? These are the questions I'm interested in. A separate question for people who are interested in HDR display that you didn’t seem to address is what capture option would you use for HDR10. Would that just be log? Or something else? How would you convert log to HDR10? How would you convert log to HLG (if its even possible)? How would you convert HLG to HDR10 (if its even possible)?
@CRFTSHO
6 жыл бұрын
Actually - HDR looks like its here to stay. The ATSC for the US FCC is rolling out a new mandate for 4K and HDR is included for broadcast.
@titaniumslug
6 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of broadcasts in the uk are SD and people still buy DVD's despite the difference between SD and HD being astonishing. I'm certainly not holding my breath for rec709 HD to go out of date any time soon. Ok, what if we suppose HDR will eventually take off big time, but for now I want to finish in rec709, How would capturing in HLG come into play? Is it better just to shoot 10 bit log and then convert to 8 bit rec709 as normal? And presumably it is possible to convert 10 bit log into any HDR format including HLG? I guess the main question comes down to this: Regardless of whether HLG will take of as a broadcast technology, how much sense does it make to capture directly in HLG?
@FRANKRICECOLD209
7 жыл бұрын
hey guys a big question which I think no one has asked you guys yet but is important to me what SD cards are you using with the new firmware update because I contacted SanDisk today because when I bought my gh5 I bought two SanDisk Extreme Pro SDXC UHS 2 cards and I called send this to ask them will those work with the new firmware update for the gh5 because I told them I have not seen any v90 cars from them they said if they are not going to make any v90 cards and they told me that the uhs-2 cards will work and they told me to look at the gh5 specifications and I did that too and they state that they UHS two cars will work also so cross my fingers I don't have to buy a bunch of new SD cards but what cards are you guys using for all this footage thanks
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
Great question...so...we have two different types of V90 cards that we use. Delkin and Panasonic. They both work great. I'll tell you what I'll try another card in the morning.
@FRANKRICECOLD209
7 жыл бұрын
CRFTSHO that would be awesome my extreme Pro SDXC UHS 2 car 64GB and it says speed 280 now SanDisk told me they would work but I don't know but that would be cool if you have that card and you can check it out thanks so much guys awesome stuff
@smrphotographyllc
7 жыл бұрын
So, honestly, unless it has the V60 or V90 rating on it, I'm skeptical... There are a lot of cards that seem like they are going to work, but without that rating, there is no guarantee.
@MikeM-js5ne
7 жыл бұрын
The new Dissolve has just dropped. Time to update.
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
It broke all of our workflow...will discuss tomorrow on live show
@MikeM-js5ne
7 жыл бұрын
Damn no good fella! Have to leave during your show tomorrow to shoot a video with Wellingtons Mayor. First pro shoot with my GH5. Will definitely watch the rest when I get home. Have a good show.
@CRFTSHO
7 жыл бұрын
We'll put in a good word for you.
@MikeM-js5ne
7 жыл бұрын
I hoped you would.
@melfeliciano8449
7 жыл бұрын
VHS won due to the longer recording and playback time.
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