This ship is solid...awareness is key, period. Don't go into any area full speed or first. In between 10 and 12k is her comfort zone in attacking and with the low concealment you will see that alot. When kiting away this ship can get VERY narrow and still use all her guns. Their are better ships at tier 8...but this is what everyone wishes the Indy would be. I like the ship...abuse her concealment and save 1 radar charge for the end of the match.
@thebes118
5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. already watch BIA. I enjoy Puddin's rants :) Met you at the Texas.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
Nice, thanks for coming! Player gathering events are awesome.
@mrtencza
5 жыл бұрын
Sage words Mr. Sea raptor. Sadly most players have not the respect, or the discipline to be that mature.
@chrisdietz5663
5 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the tier change to Guilio Cesare, I just expect it to be buffed appropriately. She was always too strong for tier 5. I just wish they would do the same to Belfast, and just make her a tier 8... upgrade the hull to Edinburgh standards... everything else stays the same. Now Belfast is in a radar heavy environment, effectively nerfing her biggest trick.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, IMHO, if they can successfully do this with Cesare, Belfast and other "un-sellables" will be on the list for changes as well. Cesare will need more than just an armor buff, IMHO, but the testing data will likely show that.
@thebes118
5 жыл бұрын
How was she too strong for tier 5? She has speed. I sink them all the time.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
@@thebes118 A visual demonstration is best. media.discordapp.net/attachments/277921615604613120/552441758525423618/gcbalance.jpg The difference between Cesare and the #2 performing T5 battleship is larger than the differences between the #2 and #11 T5 battleships across all metrics. Of course she can sink. That doesn't mean she's not horribly OP. =)
@michaelbenjmitchell1
5 жыл бұрын
I'll probably wait for Wichita to show up in Santa crates since I had such nice RNG luck last Santa event.
@BarrettL1970
5 жыл бұрын
It is not OP...it is better than the Indy(which I have)by far, more effective imo than the Boise, as solid as a Cleveland...the Baltimore which is the direct result of working out the kinks in the performance (and not having to abide by any naval treaties giving true Heavy Cruiser tonnage) is better. I enjoy the ship but feelings will be hurt trying to carry. With a bit of initial restraint...again solid.
@whatisthis2199
5 жыл бұрын
I like the carrier rework, I also like playing DDs. My PR in DDs and the new carriers is arround 2.3 ish and I'm still disatisfied. While the AA of a Grozo is certainly strong, pretty much no other DD (even TX) that is not explicitly skilled into AA can even hope to shoot down more than 7 planes (measured on Gearing vs Shoku) against a T8 carrier. Then in return everything else shreds the carriers planes, 2 attack runs on a Kurfurst? possible, 2 attack runs on a Conqueror or Repu? Stop right there. There is atm just a drastic imbalance in surface ships getting spotted, surface ships devestating planes, planes being too good against one class (especially when u face the usual Des, Wor, Mino combi what else am I supposed to attack if not the only thing that can't protect itself) and the damage output of planes vs surface ships (which I think is a tick too low across the tiers). The ammount of times I could do nothing at the end of a game because the 2 surviving ships on the enemy team are a Mino and a Wor are just simply way too high. And the teamplay (people forming into blobs) you were talking about is no teamplay. Lemmings have been there before the carrier rework and if your carrier (which is still possible even after the rework) can't compensate by manhandling a dispersed fleet you are pretty much bound to lose. I repeat Lemming migration is not teamplay, it's a sickness that can now be observed pretty much every game, even when there's no carrier in the game. I hope the flooding changes won't further change carrier gameplay to the worse, cause let's be honest: Those sweet times when you actually reached those sweet 150 + k dmg, rngsus blessed you with some sucessfully stacked fires and floods on some helpless targets in one of those matches, where the best the enemy team can offer in terms of AA, is a Kurfurst and a Roon.
@greasemonkey6362
5 жыл бұрын
Nice and concise there Raptor . I like short reviews and comparing to the tech tree ships was a real bonus , thank you , I hope you have a brill time on USS Texas . being the other side of the pond I can't make it . ( sad face ) but .. if you ever come over to London I'll do my best to come and say hi . The CV's .... this is going to take some time to balance and make everyone happy .. but .. I am sure we will get there WG are on the right path ... ish ... to me the AA when 2 tiers down is far far to strong and when 2 tiers up is too weak . for a quick and more Balanced AA spectrum just having +1 -1 MM would do the trick . Then tier 6 Ships would not have the pain of an OP tier 8 CV . And the tier 8 CV would not see tier 10 ... in which you are just a spectator till nearly the end game as the AA DPM just melts you planes.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
I think the CV MM is pretty harsh right now. I know a lot of folks are touting the +1/-1 MM. Have to see if they bite. It'll all be up to the data, honestly. I don't see them attempting it unless it's really backed up by good data. May take you up on the London thing, it's easily our favorite city that we've been to or lived in, and Belfast is always worth a return visit.
@dennisnielsen6638
5 жыл бұрын
Did they nerf her concelment to 9,5 with Everything?
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
No, her concealment has always been 9.5 with everything. Well, maybe testing done before the CE changes would have had it lower, but I don't recall testing her in that state. Maybe we did, I don't remember.
@dennisnielsen6638
5 жыл бұрын
In the Very first state it was like 8, Something might have been a bit op so now its 9,5
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
You're right! I had forgotten. I think it was like 8.7 or something ridiculous originally.
@ChristianOBrien
5 жыл бұрын
I have spent an average of $1.60/day on the game, but WG doesn't get a penny from me til they release the AK. And it sounds to me like this is going to be very weak for anytime it gets up tiered with the T7 New Orleans ammo, with the stealth and maneuverability and weaker ammo it sounds more like a light cruiser than a heavy. Either way... no $$$ from me!
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
Can't argue the point, really. She doesn't offer much that Baltimore doesn't. She's different, but not radically so.
@BarrettL1970
5 жыл бұрын
She is a solid ship...a Wichita owner...sail with a group of 2 or 3 others not running full speed and she shines.
@TheChivGaming
5 жыл бұрын
problem. Bombers/strike craft are spotting dds way too early. Solution change air spotting values and restrict the field of view of the bombers to 180 front rather than current 360. problem. Bombers are able to relay targeting information to battlehsips that are able to max range the target. Solution ships that are 12km or greater from a bomber will only see an enemy on minimap and will not be rendered in gunsights.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with the first problem; I know that they're hearing this from a lot of different directions. My guess is that they'll start looking at ways to alleviate this soon. They're on the record as saying RPF doesn't belong on planes, so that's a start. Several folks I've seen have suggested that they remove the "detected" marker from aircraft, because that is a cheap way for the CV to know that there's a DD or CL in the area that they can't quite see yet. The second is something that I personally despise and would love to see them change, but I don't know if it's on their radar. CV spotting has long devalued DD spotting, and I've never cared for that as a DD player. I've always thought that CV spotting should be restricted to the minimap, and actual ship-to-ship contact was required (via hard spotting or radar) in order to light a ship up for the team. WG has never really subscribed to this view that I've seen.
@TheChivGaming
5 жыл бұрын
@@SeaRaptor WG to be honest doesnt know how to balance outside of the class triad. Every class was balanced off the other 2 main classes. Because CV was not a significant enough quantifier. Now it is and what we see is every class is just screwed.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheChivGaming I don't think it's that they don't nokw, I think it's that CVs have been so scarce for so long that there wasn't statistically significant data to balance things correctly. I'm sure that's one of the reasons for the changes.
@TheChivGaming
5 жыл бұрын
SeaRaptor personally though this concept of every match needs a cv seems complete nonsense. In ww2 cvs were not engaging in every damn fight. They performed strike missions and with the exception of 2 incidents cvs and surface ships were never close enought to support each other effectively. Those 2 exceptions are the hunt for the Bismarck and the battle off samar when 3 escort carriers provided support for like 4 dds that charged into 20 ships. Look up USS JOHNSTON and Commander Ernest E. Evans
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
CVs shouldn't be in every game, and they aren't even now when they are more popular than ever before But a class that is played by only a couple of percent of the populace isn't good for the health of the game. By making the mechanics more engaging and fun to play - and while we can argue balance all day, there's no question that CVs are fun to play right now - they've increased the CV population to the point where they aren't so insignificant that they barely register.
@chrise2621
5 жыл бұрын
Everyone been begging for Alaska for weeks. We get Wichita, a worse baltimore for 50$ with one redeeming quality, concealment, which is worthless if there is a CV in the game. Pass. I own every other possible premium ship, but my wallet is closed. I might have picked it if it was for doubloons. Not for cash, and certainly not with the premium nerfs coming.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
Hard to blame you, she doesn't offer much different that you can't already get from Baltimore. She's probably more of a collector's ship. Given that they've dropped Azuma to Tier IX, I think we'll see a big event and to-do when Azuma is declared ready and both ships will release at the same time. Azuma was the IJN's answer to Alaska, after all. I doubt we'll be waiting much longer, but that's speculation.
@denniskeler8068
5 жыл бұрын
Which kind of premium ship nerf do you mean? WG will buff the GC...if that isnt a reason to buy a T8 ship then i dont know. Maybee they will buff her too one day and she will be at T9 with better stats...awesome.
@chrise2621
5 жыл бұрын
@@denniskeler8068 don't pretend like the uptier is a buff. Its the exact opposite. Giving a ship the appropriate plating for the tier is not a buff. Facing t8 ships with 330mm guns that cant overmatch many of the cruisers it will face, let alone battleships is not a buff.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
And we know 100% that the changes will stop there? Of course we don't. That's why these things get tested first. Let's see how it plays out before we declare the end times, shall we?
@chrise2621
5 жыл бұрын
@@SeaRaptor true, more changes are possible. I'm not declaring end times at all, but declaring the up tier as a buff is blowing smoke you know where. I'm even fine with them nerfing premiums as long as full cash refunds are offered. Obviously this would only apply to those who bought her, not those who were given the ship for free. Honestly October revolution is much more OP than cesare, being equal or better than cesare in every way other than speed. Its in the shop right now. Pretty silly.
@Nick-dw3sv
5 жыл бұрын
Many ppl are still very unsatisfied with AA one way or the other and CV's with being to strong or to weak. One thing that is broken is the ability of a CV's power to attack and keep dd's perma spotted. Attack power and aircraft durability seems about right for tier 4 and 6, the tier 8 durability aircraft for the saipan are to strong hands down. Tier-10 aircraft are very strong against dd's and even the durability against a non AA spec American BB. My opinion is give the +20 percent AA distance modual back to tier 10 ships and give all DD's the option of upgrading their sector's to 200% and not 180%. In my opinion and alot of others the sector "thing" should be changed back to manual AA point and click. Also in my opinion and many others the concealment of 10% across the border sucks.
@Nick-dw3sv
5 жыл бұрын
Iv been thinking about what I said about spec'ing into AA for the dd's stronger and I say to myself now why should I as a dd have waists points into AA because of the power of the cv.
@greasemonkey6362
5 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-dw3sv from a CV 's perspective the DD is the only Balanced ship . I can do a run and yes my planes take damage and I often loose 1 or 2 . but TBH attacking any outer ship is disastrous and I have been Deplaned twice now in a Shokaku in a tier 10 game . but yeah in a tier 6 game in a tier 8 CV .. yeah the CV is OP I am an average player and am still learning the new meta .
@Nick-dw3sv
5 жыл бұрын
@@greasemonkey6362it seems like to fix some of the issues on the CV's side of things MM would need to be fixed with the CV centered and a -2 match making to make it fair for the CV. To balance thing's you first need a base line to work from but all aspects need balanced in the end result.
@maxim3160
5 жыл бұрын
In general any Premium Tier 8 ship in this MM is NO BUY only one Tier 8 premium is worth it and is not for sale he likes Tier 10 MM it is Kutuzov! There will be more Tier 9 and 10 premiums beacuse they earn more money form them!!
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
Can't disagree. T8 MM is generally not very enjoyable.
@mikepontiac5299
5 жыл бұрын
Nice quick review Raptor,shame you didn't show it's armor layout.And nope not gonna buy her.To many copy and paste again of ships that our already in game.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, her armor isn't radically different from Boise; she has the same 127mm belt in the same places. She's probably too similar to Baltimore for many people to invest in her.
@8RedBear5
5 жыл бұрын
Ok provide feed back in a professional manner, give examples of the problem, a solution to the problem and avoid personal attacks....I think I got this. [Dear WarGaming, To whom it may concern your Rank Progression system is a painful grind that causes players to become toxic and leads to more players losing interest in this game mode. The Star system promotes bad play as some have given up on playing for the win and are abusing the "Save a Star" feature. When a single Battleships can tell its team to "F Off" and than yolo charge the enemy, Die and yet save its star the progression system is terrible. A player can play their guts out one game helping their team to victory only for the next game to be an utter disaster in which they lose the progress from the last game. All Because MM stuck them on a bad team. This lose of progress leads to frustrated and angry players. Which leads to players either abandoning the mode or becoming more toxic. I think its high time for a rework of the Rank Progression system. We need a system that rewards the individual player based on their performance that is not tied to the teams performance. You already have the system in game in the Hall of Fame part of the Directive Missions. A player gains points for Winning games, Earning Medals and Sinking Ships. Use this system to rework Rank. A player who Wins, gets Medals or secures kills gets points and points add up to advance your Rank. Gain enough points and you Rank out. However there should also be punishments for poor behavior in rank. AFKs should lose points. Team Killers should lose points. Those who earn points faster Rank out faster. You could even have a special achievement for those who Rank out the Fastest. I like small team, same tier battles, but I can't stand the Rank Star Progression system. Signed a very frustrated player.] How was that SeaRaptor?
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. The fact that WG pushes ranked as a "solo competitive mode" (their words) but ties progression to the TEAM's performance and not the players is counter-intuitive and not enjoyable.
@8RedBear5
5 жыл бұрын
@@SeaRaptor Now if we could only get WG to realize this and give Rank a Quality Life Rework.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
I love this idea. =)
@obriets
5 жыл бұрын
The arrogance of WG is just phenomenal. They’re going to shove this CV change down its player base’s throats because it’ll just ‘die down’ eventually. Why don’t they just allow us to filter Carrier games out? That way those who want to put up with carriers can have at it and those who hate being harassed from the air can get on with playing ship-to-ship combat. No? They would never do that? Why would that be? I’ll tell you: because the CV players would be complaining that nobody wants to be harassed by them, especially when they keep allowing four carriers into battles. As for the premium change on GC, well, I see no reason to buy a nice premium when I now know WG will nerf it. It’s a dangerous precedent, and I will NEVER pay for another premium again. I have less of a problem with Le Terrible because I’m pretty sure it’ll be getting a buff, being so underwhelming.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
It's always your choice to spend money (or not) on the game. That's one of the beauties of Wargaming's business model (though they're good about finding a way to get you to drop some coin eventually). The problem is that everyone demands buffs to garbage premiums but insists that OP premiums be left alone. This is a dangerous mindset that only leads to MORE OP premiums. If a premium ship overperforms, it needs to be brought back into line for the health of the game and the meta. I've never liked the "we won't nerf premiums" policy, and I'm glad to see them finally trying to walk it back.
@thebes118
5 жыл бұрын
Well yes, but if you spend real money on a premium because of it's gimmick,..and then they nerf it down. Why buy? I sold my CV's back and did not even get doubloons back for the Kaga. I am buying very, very few ships now because of their breaking their pledge,..and I have a hoop of premiums. A lot of people feel this way. Seems they are shooting themselves in the foot.
@SeaRaptor
5 жыл бұрын
@@thebes118 Perhaps, but some short term pain of fixing what is obviously a bad policy for the long term health of the game is worth it, IMHO. We'll see if WG eventually agrees; for now, they seem interested enough to at least try. I recommend this recent post by Sub_Octavian: www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/axaf8e/i_wonder_how_they_put_up_with_us/ehsfhib/
@thebes118
5 жыл бұрын
Guess we will see if the money stops flowing for premiums...
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