Knocking on the door to get inside, the door opens and I find that I am on the inside -Rumi
@difficult_to_describe
29 күн бұрын
Love Rumi ❤
@mjm3572
Ай бұрын
Hearing that it is already the case is really frustrating but also such a relief. Seaking is so exhausting but maybe through exhaustion is the only way it stops. Anyways thanks David, always direct yet balanced sharing.
@difficult_to_describe
29 күн бұрын
@@mjm3572 Yeah I think you're right, it has to kind of be proven not to work, but we still try. The giving up, or stopping - I could describe it like: You know when you notice you're lost in thought out the blue? It's like you didn't choose to notice, you just did. Then the attention expands out from that thought narrative and the thoughts dissolve. That whole movement of noticing is like stepping out of seeking in that moment, but it's not necessarily done by "you". That little, immediate realisation, in that is this entire awakening thing 😂
@mjm3572
28 күн бұрын
@difficult_to_describe Completely agree, it feels like the noticing and then returning to presence or issnes is more accessible in the morning after waking. As the day goes on the thought stream seems to become more active and harder the retract from. It's a real paradox as on one side our true nature is effortless yet when stuck in illusion and thought it seems to me the only way to break that spell is to keep returning the attention to the senses. I think I'm getting stuck in that seeking energy though. Still trying to get somewhere and attain something.
@difficult_to_describe
28 күн бұрын
@@mjm3572 I know what you mean. I remember describing a similar practice in my earlier videos. With the seeking, I think what changed that for me was actually enjoying presence and it being like a restful hobby/exploration rather than an intense means of getting somewhere. The seeking energy almost doesn't have a place to form if you're completely engaged/interested/absorbed in immediate experience. That's why I think it's a good idea to have inquiry or practice take place when content and doing something enjoyable :)
@mjm3572
27 күн бұрын
@difficult_to_describe yes so true, when there is curiosity and enjoyment rathan than trying to change what is, the whole dynamic and relationship to what is changes. It was like that when I first had a taste of this, all I wanted to do was sit and rest in the senses. I have been trying to gently cultivate that over the last couple of days and definitely feeling more rested and open as a result. Anyways thanks again for the reminder! So simple it's usually missed
@Life_aka_Jason
Ай бұрын
Hi David- when you were talking about all the visual field changes, I feel and realize those directly. Everything moving in stillness, which doesn’t really feel like motion. My issue is that it all feels like “so what” right now. I seem to be lacking the enjoyment you seem to feel so directly. Is this just identification with mind? Because it seems like more of a feeling than a thought. Just no excitement, interest in the unified field with a hollow person
@difficult_to_describe
Ай бұрын
@@Life_aka_Jason Yeah you're right the "so what" feeling is a view, an interpretation of experience from a subjective position, essentially a thought. But like you're saying, it's a more fundamental layer of thought that seems like a feeling, it feels real, like "my experience". It's also wrapped up with emotion/sensation. The realisation of non-separation seems to bring this unnoticed conditioning into the forefront of experience from deeper consciousness and the thought positions that are holding the emotion as identity can clarify. The mental narrative and mind chatter we were once so wrapped up in is like the coping mechanism/distraction to avert attention away from these deeper identity layers. At the core of these layers is a deep aversion or resistance to emotion/sensation. For that it helped me to inquire directly into the experience, subtle beliefs and viewpoints. So for example apathy or pointlessness, what is that experience? What of it is sensation and what is interpretation? What of it is direct experience and what of it is framed in time and subjectivity? Going more directly into the sensation/emotion allows the viewpoint to become clear when it starts to form and seemingly "move back" from experience to form a view about it. Similar to the experience we might have before first awakening of being lost in thought, noticing that, then releasing the attention back to pure aware presence, this is like a deeper, more subtle and more physical/sensory version of the same thing. It might seem like a subtle "what now?" or like you said "so what?". The more you do this, the more the "you" that's experiencing these realisations and awakening and relating to/monitoring them is lost in the immediacy of the sensation. It kind of happens in the "emotion body" rather than the "thought space". Inquiring more directly into these deeper thought framings of experience seems to free up the emotions into timelessness and with that, the subtle subjective tendency looses it's grip as something real. The realisation clarifies in the senses to depths unimaginable. I had something similar working with this, but for me it was an existential questioning. It had a "what is this? What's the point in this" solipsistic vibe lol. I knew it was a thought based view, but it kept coming up and felt real, like "me". It was suggesting the reality of a better experience, a subtle resistance to what is and desire for something else. I went through a good bit of these inquiries spontaneously when they came up and they became less binding. I had to fully feel the emotions and sensations directly in their Nondual clarity, and as those subtle views faded, the vividly whole and peacefull nature of the sense became more luminous and joyful. I still inquire like this. When there are truly no thoughts separating up experience into a subject separate in the senses, it's not possible for that view to form and have a real experience of lacking or uncompleteness. Even with intense emotion or sensation. Does any of that resonate? Hopefully I'm not way off with this answer, at this level of subtlety it's hard to talk about 😂
@Life_aka_Jason
Ай бұрын
@@difficult_to_describe this is really helpful, thank you. That solipsism or “what’s the point of this” is exactly what I am experiencing. But you’re right that it is thought and emotion and resistance-based. The view is of wanting a better experience and it is in the way of enjoying the “allness”. I will inquire as to what this view is made of. Thanks so much David
@difficult_to_describe
Ай бұрын
@@Life_aka_Jason Awesome :) I feel like this is the point where it starts to become about "feeling" and less about a "space of consciousness". The insight leads to a more intuitive and visceral felt understanding and moves entirely away from conceptual space. These subtle views seem to hold emotion in Identity somehow and when they fall away, all of it is felt. The existential terror and the fear etc.. But you don't feel it as a Self, you become it in a way, so the emotion accommodates its self without the need for a subject. Its an intense place to be, but you don't get out of it. You go into it so closely and immediately that you're not there anymore as the experiencer, sensation overtakes. That existential, solipsistic thing does stop as nondual clarifies. What it is replaced with is a freedom the self can't want or imagine 😆 Strangely, the existential terror started to become enjoyable before it faded away lol. Let me know how you're getting on 🙏
@em945
Ай бұрын
@@difficult_to_describe thank you for questions and answer thread. Very helpful
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