V2L in my Ioniq5 got me thru Hurricane Ian. Used extension cords to run the fridge, freezer, and internet for six days. Had to disconnect for an hour and a half on day 3 to recharge 30 miles away at a DCFC that was still online. Since then, I've wired in a transfer switch and don't need the cords anymore.
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
Powerwalls with the same power capacity as the battery in an F-150 Lightning cost more than an F-150 Lightning. And for the price of a Lightning, you get a portable battery pack that is usable as a pickup truck. (Hey, I have a Powerwall. If it’s ever in 3’ of water, my whole house is unlivable, and its water resistance is irrelevant.
@sparkysho-ze7nm
5 ай бұрын
Great news there ty
@Markcain268
5 ай бұрын
Not sure how long it would last on my house, not with my electric heating and hot water lol
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
@@markplott4820 What does that have to do with anything? Do you have actual sources to back ANY of your claims? Or do you just like to post bullshit? Or do you actually believe the bullshit, and are fooled by FUDsters easily?
@HeatherMardon
5 ай бұрын
I used my EV6 to power our essentials during a cyclone caused power outage last year for 5 days! It was fantastic and did not have to worry about running out of fuel for generator like others.
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
Got V2L for the first time on my Ioniq5 and yeah, it’s now a necessity for any future EV purchases. I not only use it during power cuts, but also use it to power certain higher load devices during peak load times. For example, I set up a single outlet inside my house to be able to be powered by V2L (originally on my Ioniq5 and now with my EV9) so I can run a space heater to heat the single room that I’m usually in versus using my natural gas furnace to heat my entire home. I might also use the same outlet to use a window AC unit for the same function in the summer, although I haven’t actually done that yet. I’ve also set up a means to back feed my panel through the same circuit that I use for EV charging so that I can power all my 120V loads in the house (selectively of course, since the e-gmp vehicles have a 120V/15A limit). This is super useful because it allows me to run my tv, internet, several interior lights, refrigerator and, most importantly, my NG furnace during a power cut. I could also use it for a microwave or hot plate for cooking. Seriously, it is such an incredible feature to have, that it makes vehicles that don’t have V2L capability look silly and inadequate. Regarding the concern of using all your vehicle charge to power your house and being stranded at home, you hit the nail on the head. I’ve set my car to shut off V2L at 20%. That’s enough charge to get me to about a dozen different fast chargers and probably 50-60 L2 chargers, including some that are several cities away. I live in a medium sized city and, even when we had major flooding back in 1996, the majority of the city still had power. I can’t think of a single time in 40 years where the entire city lost power. If the power outage is so widespread that I can’t get my vehicle recharged within a 30 mile radius, having an ICE vehicle or generator and trying to refuel it is going to be a major issue as well since refueling stations don’t work without electricity either (a point which the EV FUD spreaders seem to conveniently forget).
@michaelgoetz7506
5 ай бұрын
I absolutely love V2L. I rarely use it -- but the peace of mind from having backup power available is priceless. I'm surprised you didn't mention one of the other big uses for V2L, especially relevant for a pickup like yours: it can run large power tools at a work site.
@esprit1st75
5 ай бұрын
We were at a community event a while ago with a food vendor that ran a generator ... I wish they would have had a F150 Lightning. We couldn't talk to each other, the generator was so loud.
@alantupper4106
5 ай бұрын
I made sure to get the V2L adapter for our Ioniq 5 when we bought it this past November. Since then, we've used it instead of the gas powered generator through three winter storm power outages in Maine. While I wish I could power the whole home off of it (there's a few nasty big loads like the well pump that aren't a good fit for the current Hyundai V2L system), it's been a fantastic capability to have.
@tannermcnabb4836
5 ай бұрын
We ended up choosing the ID4 over the Ioniq 5 for the former's higher towing capacity and integrated roof rails, but the ready to go V2L of the Ioniq 5 was super hard to pass up on. VW was saying at the time that V2L was coming, and model years 2023 and onward would get it, then nothing. Next vehicle is likely to be an EV9, but even if not, whatever one we get, V2L is going to be a MUST HAVE item for sure.
@thomasreedy4751
5 ай бұрын
Even if you have a backup generator, having the ability to use a battery backup to buffer your use at low demand times is a huge plus. Maybe charge the battery during the day with the generator and let the battery run the fridge or lights at night.
@theairstig9164
5 ай бұрын
That may not work unless your generator is correctly grounded. Definitely test it out before you need it
@Woburn-RoxburyMedia
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for not peddling in the current FUD about BEV's. Though the Demand Curve's diminished in the past Quarter, the coming Months/Quarters ahead will reveal more attractive pricing, efficiency & features. Vehicle to Grid is one of the most encouraging & attractive things any consumer might not just want, but NEED! When something becomes a Need, it's the Game Changer needed to shift the paradigm model from one thing to another.
@michaelketley1252
5 ай бұрын
V2L is available on my humble MG4. I used this function this afternoon on my allotment to recharge a strimmer battery. On other occasions, during the winter, I use it for an electric heater to warm up the conservatory. All this from cheap electricity provided by intelligent octopus at 7.5p per KwH.
@Markcain268
5 ай бұрын
I paid towards that, I'm on octopus but can't afford an ev so i pay 30p per unit.
@michaelketley1252
5 ай бұрын
@@Markcain268 I only get the 7.5p rate during the night. You could option to have a similar scheme yourself Mark. You don’t need an EV. (Prices second hand becoming more affordable).
@Markcain268
5 ай бұрын
@@michaelketley1252 no good at night, im in bed
@stevewausa
5 ай бұрын
This is a big deal feature in my opinion. Our second hybrid vehicle had an almost-useful 150w inverter. Our only PHEV had a more practical 1500w inverter. Our newest EV has the V2L capability both inside and via a charge port adapter. You never know when you might want to take advantage, it might not only be during a power outage.
@Richardincancale
5 ай бұрын
My MG5 has up to 2.5 kW V2L output, useful as a backup - and between disasters I used it to power the vacuum cleaner when I clean the interior!
@aliyada
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video TE Team! V2L is absolutely something I'm looking for in my next vehicle. Between days long power outages in January and having a six hour outage last night, power resiliency is becoming more and more essential to me. I hope that it becomes a standard feature across the board.
@trexnow9
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the awesome video! I love the V2L function of my Kia EV9; it works GREAT with my transfer switch to power critical circuits in the home when needed. Keep up the good work!
@stuartirwin3779
5 ай бұрын
V2L was a mandatory feature when I chose my EV last year, and I chose an MG4. A terrible storm caused the power to go out for 8 days from Xmas day, and I was able to power the essentials in my home. It was a good decision.
@vk3xe
5 ай бұрын
I like that for my car V2L cost no extra, and as someone who rents I haven't had to install anything. It's not perfect solution, but it's available to me today
@greyangelpilot
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for not trafficing in the current FUD about BEV's. Though recent Demand Curve's have diminished demand in the past Quarter, the coming Months/Quarters will reveal more attractive pricing, efficiency & features. V2G is one of the most encouraging & attractive things any consumer might not just want, but require! When a thing becomes a NEED, it represents the paradigm shift model needed for necessary transformative evolution.
@KaiPonte
5 ай бұрын
Fascinating. Living here in Los Angeles, California, the last time I had a power outage was 2007, when the transformer for our block blew up and needed to be replaced. I feel for those of you who lose power regularly. I just remembered who Nevermore were. What a crazy band!
@AerialWaviator
5 ай бұрын
When the Cybertruck was announced a big deal was made about it having 48V DC accessories architecture, and the ability to provide up to 100 amps current. ie: 4000 W (4kW) of power. In reading the public service manual it's evident that the two "48V Power Feed" access points only can provide 400W maximum. (one is located in the frunk, the other is a roof rail). Even if limited to 50 amps at 48V that would power a 2000W V2L system with a very safe and friendly to use cabling. Hopefully we see such being offered as a generic accessory, but only time will tell as no OEM (beyond Tesla) has announced 48v architecture. FYI: an alternative DC V2L accessory option for 12V DC vehicles is a portable inverter. Depending on your EV's DC-to-DC converter, up to 1000 W could be tapped via the 12V battery. These cost just in $150-$450 price range, so are reasonably affordable. The trick is the BEV needs to be powered on, so doors need to be lockable, or need ability to park in a safe location like a garage to utilize. (T.E. has previously recorded a video on this topic, going into details)
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
Cybertruck has 9.6kW V2L through the NEMA 14-50 outlet in the bed and NEMA 5-20 outlets (aka "standard household") in the bed and cabin; and 11.5kW V2H/V2G through the charge port using a Tesla "Universal Wall Connector" and proper switching equipment in the home. (And supports working with a Powerwall+Solar.) The high-power V2x uses HV DC-to-AC inverters, drawing directly from the HV battery pack, not the 48V LV pack. The 4000W limit is for vehicle DC accessories, like accessory lights. (And the vehicle's own systems like the headlights, infotainment, power tonneau, etc.)
@willwenger6328
5 ай бұрын
Glad to see you are recovering from your recent accident.
@narvuntien
5 ай бұрын
Most recently there was a whole bunch of pole top fires, caused by a completely lack of rain for most of the summer leading to dust build up on the transformers. It takes time to repair those transformers so being able to plug in the fridge while we wait for it to come back on would be great. Recently had the power go out and my mum was grumpy that she couldn't make herself a coffee. My MG4 has V2L but I didn't pay for the official adaptor, thankfully there are cheaper third party ones available, thinking about getting one of those.
@geirmyrvagnes8718
5 ай бұрын
I second the Dala tip!
@owenjohnson5030
5 ай бұрын
Funny, I’m watching this while my generator is running. We got a close call from tornados yesterday. Power is been out since early yesterday morning. My solar panels are useless. I have both an F-150 Lightning ER and a Kia EV6. I don’t have a way to power the house from the vehicles at this time. It’s on my list of things to do.
@owenjohnson5030
5 ай бұрын
I just realized I am a complete idiot. If I just had the right cable I could be powering my house with the truck. D’oh!
@desiv1170
4 ай бұрын
I agree, that should just come with every EV... I did get an inverter for my Bolt, but it's not end user friendly. For example, if I need more than two hours of backup power from my Bolt thru the inverter, I need to do a few things in the car and then leave from the passenger side door. It's not a lot of power, but can keep my fridge running and keep the phones/rechargeable lights charged... I do get so jealous when I see these newer EVs that make it simple... ;-) (Love my Bolt tho...)
@Yanquetino
5 ай бұрын
Mine already has it! Very glad that it does! It'll be very useful when camping.
@aatheus
5 ай бұрын
Very much agree on this! I've not had to use my Ioniq 5's V2L for an emergency yet, but it will happen some day. In the mean time, using it while camping or when needing to charge a friend's EV has been very useful
@mintakan003
5 ай бұрын
V2L seems like a no-brainer. Esp. with a builtin inverter (e.g. for off-road AC power). Also, a typical EV has 2x to 3x the capacity of a typical home battery. The issue I wonder about, is the motivation for an OEM to add yet another piece of equipment into the chassis. Also, the more capable the inverter, the larger it is. I wonder if this is too costly (or too cumbersome), mabye a smaller step a DC output from the battery. Then have a portable inverter (which could be larger), that can be inside one's home. Also, one has a choice between the different sizes of inverters, depending on one's power needs.
@simontillson482
5 ай бұрын
Most onboard chargers can be designed to accommodate V2L without too many additional components - the PFC rectifier just gets driven differently to provide the inverter function, making the charger bidirectional. Since most onboard chargers are at least 10kW rated, this makes supplying V2L at a similar power level quite easy. So contrary to popular opinion, V2L does NOT require the addition of a high power DC to AC inverter to the car - the existing AC to DC charger just gets driven differently to provide the inverter function, so it doesn’t add weight or much extra expense. You comment about larger power being possible with a direct HVDC connection to a house-installed inverter is totally correct, of course, but that’s a V2H system for 30kW plus requirements - more than most users would ever need.
@harvey66616
5 ай бұрын
I've owned my EV6 six months now, and the one use case I really wanted to use V2L for, didn't work. It would've been a lot easier to take the electric wood splitter to the stack of logs, than to have to haul them all to close enough to the house to use the outlet there. The splitter works fine on a standard North American 15A circuit, but draws too much power for the EV6's V2L, tripping its over-current protection immediately. In a power outage, critical loads that I'd want supported include the well pump, septic pumps, heat pump, water heater, and lighting. Except for the lighting, these are all 240V high-current loads, which wouldn't be supported by the North American version of Kia's V2L (frankly, I would really have liked the option to get a 240V V2L adapter even in North America). One exception: during the pandemic, one of my children had to do online classes outside the local library, because our Internet connection couldn't keep up with all the streaming video demands, and they wound up hauling a large-battery UPS in the car with them to let them run their laptop for the extended periods of time the day of classes took. Had I owned the EV6 then, the 120V outlet inside the car's cabin would've been perfect for addressing that need. So my take on the question is that while I very much support the V2H/V2G scenarios -- and especially V2G, since this is the one application that has daily usefulness, to aid the electrical utility in smoothing out the supply/demand curves -- it's my experience that V2L is far from a "must have" feature. It's a cute gimmick that has occasional utility. But it doesn't seem to address the more common needs, and what we really need is broader and less expensive support for V2G.
@teardowndan5364
5 ай бұрын
Where I live, most gas stations and grocery stores have backup generators thanks to the '98 icestorm knocking power out for 2-6 weeks. If a power outage lasts more than a few hours, I'd rather drive five minutes to the nearest working gas station, fill a jerrycan and run a 2kW generator than deplete my hypothetical EV's range without knowing how long it'll be before power comes back, especially if the EV's battery was nowhere near full when the outage started. Since I have nowhere to charge at my apartment, my hypothetical EV's SoC would likely be around 40% on average and I'd need to run a 100+' extension to get to my apartment, which is far less convenient than a small generator on my balcony which I could also use to slow-charge the EV in a pinch. If I had an EV, V2L would be a secondary backup at best. BTW, the inverter doesn't need to be separate from the charger. An AC-DC power supply using bridge-less PFC and synchronous rectification can be designed to also operate in reverse with minimal circuit modifications and additional components. V2L will become a standard feature once bidirectional converters become the cost-saving norm.
@teardowndan5364
5 ай бұрын
@@markplott4820 A 2kW costs nothing to install and I'm not paying 15-20k$ to have a powerwall installed on a building I don't own.
@fynfynsidian1870
5 ай бұрын
We just bought an Ioniq5 limited. May get the V2L adapter soon
@GhostTrooper5
5 ай бұрын
You don't need to, necessarily. I have used the outlet under the back seats to power a refrigerator in two power outages. See if that fits your needs first as the Hyundai adapter is rather expensive. It's more necessary on lower trims that don't have that outlet.
@HenryLoenwind
5 ай бұрын
It may be worth noting that the fear of battery degradation is not unwarranted for V2G applications. V2G means you're almost constantly charging and discharging, taking in excess grid energy and selling it later the same day again. This can easily run a full battery cycle or even more each day. The same is, to a lesser extent, true for using the car battery as a solar buffer battery for your home. You're unlikely to run a full cycle each day, but 10 to 20 kWh each and every day adds up to 1-2 cycles per week, too. And given that batteries are rated in the single-digit thousands of cycles, that is significant. Unlike the handful of cycles a V2H use puts on the battery (one per 1-10 days of grid outage) or the one cycle per 1-10 years V2L produces.
@transportevolved
5 ай бұрын
Except it doesn’t. V2G applications rarely drain a battery flat. And studies (see link) shows it can actually help battery health. - Nikki
@Russwig
5 ай бұрын
I would love to have VTL on my older Soul EV. Alas it's not in the cards... Keep Evolving!!!
@stevenbarrett7648
4 ай бұрын
Our first EV, Nissan Leaf Tekna did about 60 miles from new in winter, roll on 10 years and our current car does over 300 miles in winter, wonder what we can expect in another 10 years, assuming we don’t have a car as an app ?. I do wish our Tesla had V2L especially as a caravan owner, using 3Kwh over a weekend off the car would be a heck of a lot cheaper than hooking up to the metered power at a caravan site, 74ppKw seems to be the norm whereas at home topping up the Tesla costs 7.5ppkw or nothing if the solars running well, then off to site to share our cheap / free power with the van but right now its not available ….pity.
@danielmadar9938
5 ай бұрын
Thanks
@robinpettit7827
5 ай бұрын
Aptera plans to have bidirectional charging.
@veronicathecow
5 ай бұрын
Tesla really dropped the ball on not providing vehicle to x . Would have been great to easily assist other EV owners. Also 22kW rather than 11kW
@AlainODea
5 ай бұрын
I wish I had known more about V2L going in. I might have gone with an Ioniq 5 instead of the Kona. It would be quite difficult to get V2L power from my EVs to my house the way it is laid out sadly, so it likely wouldn't be practical. I would like to see V2H become standard and ubiquitous whereby all L2 EVSEs would be capable if wired appropriately (I imagine that would be the challenging bit).
@JustfishNascar
5 ай бұрын
I've seen the WallBox Quasar at shows, but can't seem to get any information on when it will actually be available. That really seems to be the best system to use if your manufacturer does not make a product for this function.
@greenbergp
5 ай бұрын
Actually 10k for your VTL system using the very large Ford p/u battery is a lot less expensive than a battery backup system for a solar system of the same size
@ridingwolf42
5 ай бұрын
It's going to be a 'nice to have', but nothing more in my case. Living in central Europe black/brown-outs are extremely rare and even when they happen I doubt I will be parked close enough to our house to be able to use it. So camping seems to be the only real use case for me. Neat feature, not paying extra for it.
@ahaveland
5 ай бұрын
Same here, would be nice but can't dangle a cable from a midrise apartment across the street! I have a UPS with extra home made battery packs and a 3kW inverter for emergencies. For camping, I could put a few kWh of batteries in the trunk with the inverter/microwave/kettle or whatever if I need to, but there are very few places in Europe far enough away from civilization to make it really practical.
@larrywest42
5 ай бұрын
I have it (2022 Ioniq5) and only use it a few times per year, and we haven't suffered a blackout - but I'd call it a "very nice to have". It cost ~0.2% of the price of the car, and the framing effect made that seem inconsequential. It's great when it *is* needed, like camping, vacuuming, inflating tires. All electric appliances and power tools become usable on the road or in severe weather events, etc.
@TyTyMcGinty
5 ай бұрын
I seem to remember TE saying the EV6 was “fine” lol. But yet here we are singing praises of the V2L feature.
@transportevolved
5 ай бұрын
The entry level EV6 was a little lackluster but we’ve since driven more powerful EV6 variants and love them!
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
You can think an overall vehicle is "meh" while loving a couple specific features. I think the Silverado EV is very very "meh", but its extreme range (useful to me because I tow a lot - when not towing, it's far more than I need,) makes it very compelling based solely on that one thing.
@michaelgoetz7506
5 ай бұрын
@@transportevolvedit’s not trim level that matters, it’s RWD vs AWD. had your first EV6 test car (before the GT came out) been AWD, you would have been rather impressed. It’s the difference between “this is nice” and “Eeeeeiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaa….”. Regardless of trim level, the AWD EV6 does a pretty good job of slamming your head into the headrest.
@Pottery4Life
5 ай бұрын
One would think that all these features would be / will be ubiquitous throughout the EV / home energy industries in the very near future. The over-arching modern architecture of grid/microgrid/home grid - "law of standards" needs to be set sooner than later so we don't have 50 different manufacturers coming up with, and selling to the public, their proprietary gadgets they got to market first under archaic rules. Then you end up with consumers with a handful of components not exactly designed to communicate with each other and headaches and grief when they don't plug and play.
@MassToOrbit
5 ай бұрын
I thought a good use is charging up other EVs when new drivers treat the range like ICE cars. There have been a few instances of dead EVs blocking traffic for several hours while they waited for a flat bed to arrive in the UK. Time to kit it out on the AA Vans to get them to a charging station.
@rp9674
5 ай бұрын
Sounds like bs. A aaa driver asked me if I've seen Teslas on the shoulder charging from a generator. No, I haven't, prob nobody has. However I live in a small town called LA California, so I only see thousands of cars a day, prob 15% EV.
@user-xu9ho6fq4k
5 ай бұрын
Very helpful video :)
@talpolano4549
5 ай бұрын
It's a no-brainer: why pay for oil when the sun is free?
@theairstig9164
5 ай бұрын
Asterisk: the Wallbox Quasar 2 is available through ONE reseller where I am and only certified to AS:3000 in one state which is South Australia. It’s also $10,000 installed and only works with CHADEMo. This is the only V2G solution available. V2L is less than 3000 watts. I’ll argue the “free” bit
@talpolano4549
5 ай бұрын
think deep and the "free " will set you free! 3:) @@theairstig9164
@davidstewart1153
5 ай бұрын
V2H or V2G sounds awesome until your utility provider gets wind of your project and buries it in assessments, studies, resubmissions and maybe approvals. V2L neatly skips that.
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
V2H can be accomplished without grid-tying, via manual transfer switches that have been available for fossil fuel generators for decades. Because they require an "on/off" switch, physically disconnecting from the grid as they connect the power source (which does add a slight delay even on the fastest automatic systems, although most are 100% manual,) they don't generally go through all the licensing requirements of a full V2G.
@neillgatley8770
5 ай бұрын
Totally agree l. To make the energy market more democratic and less in the hands of kingdoms and corruptions. I could be making money from the 60 KW battery in the car on my drive and make the grid greener. I would prefer this to spending money on imported energy.
@gagnonluc
5 ай бұрын
Sadly, V2L is not offered on equivalent models from country to country. I have a Hyundai Kona 2024 Ultimate trim, equivalent to the Limited trim in the USA. Yet, we don’t get V2L in Canada when you get it in the USA. I can’t figure out why Hyundai doesn’t just offer the same car in each market. As I understand it though, we get the heat pump across the board, which isn’t the case south of the border. Go figure…
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
Most likely you could purchase the adapter that plugs into the J1772 and have V2L ability. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis all use the same adapter and, as far as I know, all of their current EVs have the capability of using that adapter. The difference is just whether or not the have a plug built into the interior.
@michaeldecsi1698
5 ай бұрын
I too have a '24 Kona in Canada and asked about this. Apparently we do not have the internals to make V2L work. The adapter would do nothing.
@gagnonluc
5 ай бұрын
Well, it seems that we have the hardware, but the software side isn’t there. I found this on AG-electrical’s site, they sell V2L adapters. Let’s hope it’s true and that Hyundai will change its mind on this. It is frustrating to have so much energy available in our driveway without being able to use it in a blackout. « Can any electric car do V2L? In theory yes, because the onboard charger in an electric car can work both ways (converting DC power in the battery to AC power for V2L). However, the car requires software to manage the conversion process, and not all cars have it, although cars with over-the-air updates are candidates. In other words, electric cars have the power electronics to handle a DC to AC conversion for V2L, but most do not have the software to handle the request. It is down to manufacturers to embrace V2L. »
@rp9674
5 ай бұрын
I'd settle for an inverter & 2 high power 120v outlets, every ev should have. V2l would be a nice opt if the price for the entire sys was right, I'd rather put the extra $ to a dedicated house battery.
@SNORKYMEDIA
5 ай бұрын
Outlets are ok but running a cable from them in the pouring rain is an issue ( how to secure the car with a wire thru the door )
@rp9674
5 ай бұрын
@SNORKYMEDIA yes, awkward vs. Better but complicated & expensive v2whatever, which depends on your vehicle being home + xtra everything for apartments. Inverter is mobile power too, help a friend or family member who might not have an EV... after that they might want an EV for their next Hopefully every v2... capable vehicle would also have an inverter too.
@rp9674
5 ай бұрын
@@SNORKYMEDIAif I was running extension cords into my house regularly I'd make a pass through, I saw, but still less than v2g setup
@richardcoughlin8931
5 ай бұрын
Is there any third party add-on V2L for Tesla MY and M3? More to the point, why hasn’t Tesla built V2L into the refreshed MY and M3?
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
Nope. Tesla specifically says using your vehicle that way voids the warranty. (Other than on the Cybertruck.)
@richardcoughlin8931
5 ай бұрын
@@AnonymousFreakYTTypical Tesla assholery to threaten owners. Depending on the cost of a conversion kit, after the warranty expires, I would use my Model Y as a V2L battery and occasional errand runner.
@RPRosen-ki2fk
5 ай бұрын
They probably don't want to compete with their own products. They want to sell you a Powerwall instead.
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
@@AnonymousFreakYTthat is because people were using large 12V powered inverters hooked up to the “12V” battery and smoking their DC-DC inverters as a result. That is abuse and should not be covered by warranty. Why they haven’t added proper V2L capability is likely just that Tesla is cheap and doesn’t want to add anything that costs them more money. Same reason they took away radar, homelink, etc…
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
@@ouch1011 As someone who had a radar, HomeLink, and sun roof equipped Tesla, I feel this.
@johntrotter8678
5 ай бұрын
Without statistics on loss of power, I put all this in the be-very-afraid FUD that surfaces all the time. Actual reliability is quite goof in most countries, unless in rural situations with long distance to main power lines. Spending thousands makes little sense for most of us. Besides, the winter storm that might cause the power to blink may also make the roads so icy your truck slips off the road, into a power pole. Nah, that would never happen.
@transportevolved
5 ай бұрын
Wow. Why the visceral comment?
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
I live in a major US city (one of the top 25, and yes, I live inside the city itself, not rural long distance, not a suburb.) At the two different houses I've lived in for the last 20 years, I have lost my power at least once a year for at least 10 minutes every single year for that last 20 years. Once every 2-3 years, I'll lose it for over an hour, and twice in that 20 years, I've lost it for multiple days. This last multi-day outage (earlier this year,) I had solar plus a home battery that kept me going through the power outage while my neighbors were in trouble. (Yes, we offered them staying in our spare rooms, none took us up on it - a couple had wood burning fire places to use, one used their Jeep to drive to a family member's who had power.) Even for the shorter ones, it's nice having the buffer keep things from "rebooting". My home office's outlets are on the battery, while the lights aren't. Before the power went down for multiple days, there were multiple "1-5 minute" outages over the course of a few hours. I only knew they were happening when my lights went out for a few minutes at a time. My parents (who live in what would easily qualify as "the inner city") lose power for a few hours nearly every year. Being "in the inner city" ironically means old/less reliable power compared to me being on the outer edges/newer part of the city. (I have buried power lines, they don't. Of course, the supply lines leading _to_ my neighborhood aren't buried, so when we lose power, it tends to be the entire neighborhood. When my parents lose power, it could be just them, just their block, or a thousand+ houses.)
@ahaveland
5 ай бұрын
Reliability in America is bad because they don't bury power lines, so every time a storm comes by and a tree or branch comes down on them, or if a squirrel gets electrocuted the grid goes down. Reliability in the UK is good mostly because of that reason, and really serious weather events are rarer. As for thousands, if you need electricity to power an iron lung or oxygen machine, then your perception of value may differ.
@johntrotter8678
5 ай бұрын
@@transportevolved Not visceral at all. Simply getting tired of anecdotes ruling the internet when data is available. I love your channel. I support your channel. I just think you can do better.
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
Millions of people live in the rural areas that you specifically mention, including Nikki, so this is a useful feature for them. For me, I live in a medium sized city, and we get at least one power outage per year. On top of that, the power outages tend to happen at a time when you would most want to have electricity for heating and communication. The last multi-day power cut I had was during an ice storm when it was single digit (Fahrenheit) outside. I didn’t have an EV with V2L at that time, or a generator, and my house became basically uninhabitable. Just because a feature isn’t useful for you personally doesn’t mean it isn’t useful for millions of other people. Try and remember that you are not the only person in existence, as hard as that may be for you. And your last two sentences were completely unnecessary and only make you look like a dick. Do better.
@steffenfrkjr1424
5 ай бұрын
No V2L for me... :-( no V2L car for sale that has the room i need.
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
Ford F-150 Lightning? Kia EV9?
@steffenfrkjr1424
5 ай бұрын
@@AnonymousFreakYT The Ligthning is NOT in Denmark.. EV9 is 3 month newer then my car
@Mats.Fagerberg
5 ай бұрын
My next Electric Car will be (another) Tesla. I´d like V2L, but that´s not the most important thing.
@adamselene9264
5 ай бұрын
Just because you are such dicks about this I am posting it again: You Have Problems, Not Issues Somewhere, at some point over the recent past, someone decided that it was no longer acceptable for a person to say what he or she means; it was no longer acceptable to speak in precise, direct words. And what’s worse, someone, somewhere decided that we should all be offended when someone calls a problem a problem. Everything has to be translated into some sort of euphemism. I don’t really know why it started, but can we please stop referring to every problem as an issue? An employee no longer has a problem keeping up with production; he has an issue. A child no longer has a problem behaving in class; she has an issue. A married couple in therapy no longer has problems in their marriage; they have issues. Even bad weather now causes performance issues on the football field and traffic issues on the road; and a basketball player with a sprained ankle has an ankle issue. I’m not sure what’s so offensive about discussing traffic problems, health problems, or a sloppy football game. Is it just me? The problem-that is, what’s wrong-with substituting issue for problem is that those two words are not synonymous-and no amount of being politically correct, disingenuous, or even condescending-yes, it can be condescending-will make it so. An issue is a topic, such as The candidates will discuss the issues at the debate. That means that the candidates will discuss the different topics, or subject areas, involved in running our country. A problem is something negative. A problem is something that needs to be solved. A problem is something that we try to overcome. A problem is something that we don’t want. There, I’ve said it. And it feels great. An issue is not a problem, but I’ll tell you what is a problem: the grammatically incorrect trend of telling someone that he has an issue when what you really mean is that he has a problem. Call it what it is, and it’ll be easier to solve.
@greatpix
5 ай бұрын
I'm not complaining, as I know that in other parts of the world, including Canada, that beta is pronounced 'bee-ta" and here in the US we pronounce it "Bay-ta", but some of your listeners, especially people new to your channel might not pick up on that for some time. So I hope you'll consider switching your pronunciation of beta to the US norm. Same with Z being 'zed' in other countries and 'zee' here. I know it will be difficult on you to do this so only offer it as a suggestion and understand it might take some time to feel comfortable with the change. It's just I picture someone new to the channel, who hasn't traveled or hasn't had the experience of someone using a different pronunciation than they are used to, being very confused as to what you're talking about in this video. [I find the choice to pronounce 'z' as "zed" a bit confusing as pronunciation of other letters like B,C,D,G,P,T and V are pronounced the same in both US and UK/Canada/etc. One of these days I mean to do some research on that.]
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
She is from the UK. Whenever she pronounces things "the US way," brits invariably chime in "Don't pronounce things the US way!" You understood what she was saying. She has a British accent, so she uses British words.
@transportevolved
5 ай бұрын
It's... Getting to the point where we're just about ready to quit so it doesn't matter.
@greatpix
5 ай бұрын
@@transportevolved No,no,no no! Don't quit! You're one of the most professional car channels I watch regularly. I understand that life has thrown you some hard times recently but I hope you hang in there. My post wasn't meant to be critical. It's just a peculiarity of language from country to country, nothing about you personally. Again, I am a fan of the channel and if I weren't spending all my money on medical supplies I would be a Patron. I almost died last year from kidney failure and in '18 almost died from Sepsis, and I'm an old fart in my 70s so I have a hospital bed in my living room and medical supplies all over the living room and garage. I can't even afford a car any more but dream of owning a fully autonomous electric car someday ... right after I win the lottery.
@transportevolved
5 ай бұрын
@@greatpix It's okay. It was I who was being a butt. - Nikki.
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
This is such a typical US-centric comment, where you think the US way of doing things is the only right way. It isn’t. Your comment is the same as yelling “speak English!” to someone who is speaking their native language. Get over yourself. And whenever someone starts a sentence with “I’m not complaining…” it’s a guarantee that some sort of really petty, pathetic complaint is coming afterwards. Your complaint is no different.
@zdme4864
3 ай бұрын
you are so erudite that you sound pretentious
@ImpactWench
5 ай бұрын
I haven't watched the video. I'm not *going* to watch the video. Look, I *know* clickbait is effective. There are a *lot* of things that are very effective, yet we don't do them. Please don't make me feel dirty for sending a very, very meager amount of money your way each year.
@transportevolved
5 ай бұрын
We’re confused. What’s the issue?
@AnonymousFreakYT
5 ай бұрын
Congratulations, commenting on it has added engagement that will benefit TE more than if you’d just silently watched the video.
@ImpactWench
5 ай бұрын
@@AnonymousFreakYTI *want* TE to do well. They're awesome, so I don't know where you think the gotcha is. That they "got me" with the clickbait? Fine. Maybe they shouldn't know that they're overstepping the line I tend to draw, I guess? I still don't watch breathless mystery meat videos, that's just me.
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
What clickbait? What drugs are you on? Maybe you should watch the video so you can figure out why you’re wrong and why everyone is so confused at your incoherence.
@ImpactWench
5 ай бұрын
@@ouch1011As far as I can ascertain, without watching the video, the topic is "this". And if I'm interested in EVs, which is basically all this channel is about, "this" is practically indispensable. IDK what "this" is, but... 🤷🏻♀
@shaimach
5 ай бұрын
Clickbait title = automatic downvote
@ouch1011
5 ай бұрын
How is it clickbait? Anyone who has V2L on their vehicle will tell you how incredibly useful it is.
@shaimach
5 ай бұрын
@@ouch1011 "Needs This One Thing" instead of "Needs V2L"
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